Lysol quoted GMK at $80/set....lol $50 price hike
Lysol quoted GMK at $80/set....lol $50 price hike
They are a business and need to have markups to make money, do they not?
Lysol quoted GMK at $80/set....lol $50 price hike
They are a business and need to have markups to make money, do they not?
I'm sure there's some decent markup in there... I assume they put a *lot* of money to get these made, so it is what it is. Just glad to have an option... but hopefully we see these cheaper in the future. Also... not sure if Lysol's quote included the winkeyless keys as well. Personally, I have no use for the number keys either.
Typical markup for retail is 100%, or 2x cost (at LEAST). If you don't understand the basics of business, then keep the commentary to yourself.
Lysol quoted GMK at $80/set....lol $50 price hike
Typical markup for retail is 100%, or 2x cost (at LEAST). If you don't understand the basics of business, then keep the commentary to yourself.
Lysol quoted GMK at $80/set....lol $50 price hike
Did you order any?
Lysol quoted GMK at $80/set....lol $50 price hike$80 includes winkey, winkeyless and numpad?
Knock it off, Dan.
Lysol quoted GMK at $80/set....lol $50 price hike$80 includes winkey, winkeyless and numpad?
Typical markup for retail is 100%, or 2x cost (at LEAST). If you don't understand the basics of business, then keep the commentary to yourself.
Yes sir! I'll make sure to tell everyone I know that doesn't markup their retail this much that you say they have to or they "don't understand the basics of business."
litster needs to update his avatar once again. They're on sale for $4!
there have been a lot of politics lately on the korean forums, particularly when it comes to supplying parts to the US in volume (although it's gotten much much worse than that in the past week or so) :(
unfortunately if you don't have connections and didn't get in on the recent group buys for eg stickers that we were offered, you may be out of luck for a little while.
litster needs to update his avatar once again. They're on sale for $4!
crap...
litster needs to update his avatar once again. They're on sale for $4!
crap...
You can always change it to $250 to reflect the "original" Cherry Esc double shot. :P
there have been a lot of politics lately on the korean forums, particularly when it comes to supplying parts to the US in volume (although it's gotten much much worse than that in the past week or so) :(
unfortunately if you don't have connections and didn't get in on the recent group buys for eg stickers that we were offered, you may be out of luck for a little while.
i agree with that im sure that we could make stickers easily enough as for springs weve talked about that on IRC a bit but nothing conclusive yetthere have been a lot of politics lately on the korean forums, particularly when it comes to supplying parts to the US in volume (although it's gotten much much worse than that in the past week or so) :(
unfortunately if you don't have connections and didn't get in on the recent group buys for eg stickers that we were offered, you may be out of luck for a little while.
Can we just produce our own stuff already? If they don't want to let anyone in their clubhouse then screw 'em.
there have been a lot of politics lately on the korean forums, particularly when it comes to supplying parts to the US in volume (although it's gotten much much worse than that in the past week or so) :(
unfortunately if you don't have connections and didn't get in on the recent group buys for eg stickers that we were offered, you may be out of luck for a little while.
Can we just produce our own stuff already? If they don't want to let anyone in their clubhouse then screw 'em.
He had it that way originally too. Really, he should make it an animated gif, with the prices slashing away.
there have been a lot of politics lately on the korean forums, particularly when it comes to supplying parts to the US in volume (although it's gotten much much worse than that in the past week or so) :(
unfortunately if you don't have connections and didn't get in on the recent group buys for eg stickers that we were offered, you may be out of luck for a little while.
Typical markup for retail is 100%, or 2x cost (at LEAST). If you don't understand the basics of business, then keep the commentary to yourself.
Yes sir! I'll make sure to tell everyone I know that doesn't markup their retail this much that you say they have to or they "don't understand the basics of business."
You can think and do what you like. I just feel bad for the guy trying to stand up a new storefront while people expect him to act like a charity. Number one rule, if your money would earn more in an interest-bearing account, then leave it there. Ever hear about a product offered "at cost"? There's a reason it's so awesome. The seller actually loses out because they don't recoup overhead.
have i ever not been?there have been a lot of politics lately on the korean forums, particularly when it comes to supplying parts to the US in volume (although it's gotten much much worse than that in the past week or so) :(
unfortunately if you don't have connections and didn't get in on the recent group buys for eg stickers that we were offered, you may be out of luck for a little while.
mystery kawa, have you gone mad?
there have been a lot of politics lately on the korean forums, particularly when it comes to supplying parts to the US in volume (although it's gotten much much worse than that in the past week or so) :(
unfortunately if you don't have connections and didn't get in on the recent group buys for eg stickers that we were offered, you may be out of luck for a little while.
mystery kawa, have you gone mad?
there have been a lot of politics lately on the korean forums, particularly when it comes to supplying parts to the US in volume (although it's gotten much much worse than that in the past week or so) :(
unfortunately if you don't have connections and didn't get in on the recent group buys for eg stickers that we were offered, you may be out of luck for a little while.
Can we just produce our own stuff already? If they don't want to let anyone in their clubhouse then screw 'em.
I dont think tsangan would be so happy about that. He loves the Koreans
there have been a lot of politics lately on the korean forums, particularly when it comes to supplying parts to the US in volume (although it's gotten much much worse than that in the past week or so) :(
unfortunately if you don't have connections and didn't get in on the recent group buys for eg stickers that we were offered, you may be out of luck for a little while.
Can we just produce our own stuff already? If they don't want to let anyone in their clubhouse then screw 'em.
I dont think tsangan would be so happy about that. He loves the Koreans
Dan, have you gone mad too?
$4 is a very good deal.
I have had enough trolling done with my current avatar. Should change it back to my Korean hand-made PBT yellow smiley keycap.
Typical markup for retail is 100%, or 2x cost (at LEAST). If you don't understand the basics of business, then keep the commentary to yourself.
I am very sorry for all the troubles I have caused here. There is a new pricing, and I hope you guys are happy with this.
http://originativeco.com/thanks-all-feedback
I am very sorry for all the troubles I have caused here. There is a new pricing, and I hope you guys are happy with this.
http://originativeco.com/thanks-all-feedback
Thats really nice of you.
Also, I would much rather pay a "price hike" and get what I want within a week...instead of going through the uncertainty of group buys and waiting MONTHS to get what I paid for well in advance.
Also, I would much rather pay a "price hike" and get what I want within a week...instead of going through the uncertainty of group buys and waiting MONTHS to get what I paid for well in advance.
Have you ever participated to a GB?
Also, I would much rather pay a "price hike" and get what I want within a week...instead of going through the uncertainty of group buys and waiting MONTHS to get what I paid for well in advance.
Have you ever participated to a GB?
I have. Some of them go great, some of them crash and burn.
So now we all will stop making GBs and wait for Sherry feed us?
Poor SP :(
So now we all will stop making GBs and wait for Sherry feed us?
Poor SP :(
I really hope the Group Buy continues. I would like to help if possible, but my original order came before GMK was founded. I made an order in late October. The company was founded through GeekHack in mid December. If I could have helped with the Group Buy, then that would have been great. I have been pushing I was coming with something great since September now. I worked with GMK to produce this double shot window key. I hope people can see I tried to do some good at least.
hmmmmmm.....
petrol and grey is the trimuph adler one.hmmmmmm.....Show Image(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39550.0;attach=12306;image)
Last time I checked, that combination is the fastest and cheapest.
sherryton will be nice if atleast u add a small compatibility kit 1big enter + 1 left small shift + >< key. It's just 3 keycaps and most people will be happy
You know those prices posted from gmk are just for base sets, sherrys sets include a lot of extra keys to make these sets work with most layouts. I think there is a misconception of what is included in sherrys sets. GLWS sherry your resurrecting the cherry DS movement!
Sherryton is taking the risk of buying all of the 400 sets (or maybe 1000 sets?) himself, so it's quite understandable to make some profit through it.
Man I honestly don't understand geekhack sometimes.
you guys are perfectly fine with people like rag adding his fees to group buy prices and even defending him. But once somebody fronts the money AND risk, its a problem.
you don't want to pay his prices? Fine. Sit there and wait for that GB to maybe hit 400 sets per colorway for months.
and then the nerve so say he should have contributed to the GB instead of starting his business, are you kidding me? Sherry found gmk before geekhack even knew about anything and he was excited to bring you guys what you lusted for and now you're complaining? Ridiculous.
Man I honestly don't understand geekhack sometimes.
you guys are perfectly fine with people like rag adding his fees to group buy prices and even defending him. But once somebody fronts the money AND risk, its a problem.
you don't want to pay his prices? Fine. Sit there and wait for that GB to maybe hit 400 sets per colorway for months.
and then the nerve so say he should have contributed to the GB instead of starting his business, are you kidding me? Sherry found gmk before geekhack even knew about anything and he was excited to bring you guys what you lusted for and now you're complaining? Ridiculous.
For reference: WASD (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-blue-keyswitch-mx1a-e1nn.html)switches. $1.75 each. How much are they from Prof, $0.60?
They tried to keep GMK hidden from us which they openly admit to knowing about it much earlier than I did, attempted to dissuade me from pursuing groupbuy and going through them instead so the pricing could remain hidden and refused completely to co-operate with the groupbuy efforts when I asked. Don't try and pretend out for any benefit of the community. Out to have a business and make money, which is fine, just be honest about it.
Groupbuy would be a lot easier to reach MOQ if we don't have people undermining it. If they are sincere about helping the groupbuy they will stay away from any of the other proposed colorways so it has more chance of success instead of sabotaging it by rushing out the same option before the buy can conclude.
They tried to keep GMK hidden from us which they openly admit to knowing about it much earlier than I did, attempted to dissuade me from pursuing groupbuy and going through them instead so the pricing could remain hidden and refused completely to co-operate with the groupbuy efforts when I asked. Don't try and pretend out for any benefit of the community. Out to have a business and make money, which is fine, just be honest about it.
Groupbuy would be a lot easier to reach MOQ if we don't have people undermining it. If they are sincere about helping the groupbuy they will stay away from any of the other proposed colorways so it has more chance of success instead of sabotaging it by rushing out the same option before the buy can conclude.
Who's "they"?
last I checked sherry is a business and doesn't need approval from Lysol on what colors he can or can't use.I wonder if Pepsi runs to coke to get approval of a new flavor.
I wonder if Pepsi is a community rather than a business...
They tried to keep GMK hidden from us which they openly admit to knowing about it much earlier than I did, attempted to dissuade me from pursuing groupbuy and going through them instead so the pricing could remain hidden and refused completely to co-operate with the groupbuy efforts when I asked. Don't try and pretend out for any benefit of the community. Out to have a business and make money, which is fine, just be honest about it.
Groupbuy would be a lot easier to reach MOQ if we don't have people undermining it. If they are sincere about helping the groupbuy they will stay away from any of the other proposed colorways so it has more chance of success instead of sabotaging it by rushing out the same option before the buy can conclude.
last I checked sherry is a business and doesn't need approval from Lysol on what colors he can or can't use.I wonder if Pepsi runs to coke to get approval of a new flavor.
I wonder if Pepsi is a community rather than a business...
Last I checked, Sherry is also a member of the community who has admitted to wanting to help....but, has he? No personal offense to Sherry, I just mean, saying and doing are two different things. We haven't seen any of the doing part yet...
The moderators have convinced me that not only are they moderators but also members of the community. The same can be said about vendors.
So.... The weather is nice today :confused:
Yawn.
don't you have props to collect from faceless screen names?
So.... The weather is nice today :confused:
I thought it was really hot in parts of Australia right now. Well, not right now, it's night there, isn't it? Anyway, that's what they were saying when I was watching the Australian Open tennis last night.
I really hope everyone just stops fighting. I do not care if you guys hate me for this. I just wanted to surprise everyone with some original Cherry, but I am really not enjoying this at all.
Poor Sherry.
I just wanted to surprise everyone with some original Cherry, but I am really not enjoying this at all.Everyone means US ANSI 104-key keyboard users only, eh?
Ha! keymaster trolling litster with his avatar now. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3fwXV7N.png)
They tried to keep GMK hidden from us which they openly admit to knowing about it much earlier than I did, attempted to dissuade me from pursuing groupbuy and going through them instead so the pricing could remain hidden and refused completely to co-operate with the groupbuy efforts when I asked. Don't try and pretend out for any benefit of the community. Out to have a business and make money, which is fine, just be honest about it.this is a conflation of many different people and events and i believe a mischaracterization of at least some of the conversations involved.
Groupbuy would be a lot easier to reach MOQ if we don't have people undermining it. If they are sincere about helping the groupbuy they will stay away from any of the other proposed colorways so it has more chance of success instead of sabotaging it by rushing out the same option before the buy can conclude.
Dolch is gonna be sweet!
It did seem strange how many rare DS sets and ESC caps were auctioned off late last year.
Dolch is gonna be sweet!
It did seem strange how many rare DS sets and ESC caps were auctioned off late last year.
It was no strange occurrence, my friend. People were unloading in preparation for this.
Dolch is gonna be sweet!
It did seem strange how many rare DS sets and ESC caps were auctioned off late last year.
It was no strange occurrence, my friend. People were unloading in preparation for this.
I'm trying to remember who it was that made $400 from an Olivetti set and $160 from a red Esc..,
I want to apologize to Originative/Sherry for my behavior last night on GH/DT/IRC as I was one of the people trying to stir the problem pot and troll people into being angry.
Sherry & I have had our differences in the past, but that is no excuse for how I behaved. I am actually quite embarrassed with myself.
The current state of GH is very frustrating for many of the older members who have been around for more than the last few months. We can remember a time when GH was a community where people helped each other. Not a place to make a quick buck at other members expense, while you troll & argue in every single thread. Unfortunately my frustration came out last night towards sherry, and for that I wish to apologize to him.
I don't care if people troll me for posting this, but this isn't for you, its for sherry. I wish you good luck with your new business and am sorry for any negativity I brought towards it last night on GH/DT/IRC
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Now with that out of the way, I have an actual constructive question to ask.
Will future keycap sets include the couple other necessary keys to allow them to be used on non traditional layout 104/101 US ANSI keyboards?
There is a huge list of custom and production keyboards which are not usable with ANY of the sets being offered. Off the top of my head the following keyboards or layouts are unusable with with what is for sale:
-Any custom board which has 1x modifiers as an option usually in an 86key layout such as The Cheat, any of the LZ boards, Phantom, GH60, KMAC mini,
-Existing non-custom boards such as Race, pure, g80-1800's, and the other gaming brands I cannot remember their names but use 1x modifiers as well
All other group buys done through Geek Hack in recent history have at least had the option available to purchase these keys. Usually if you purchased a tsangan kit add-on and keypad/10key kit add-on you would be covered for these layouts. You wouldn't always have everything in the correct profile, but you could at least fill an entire keyboard for any of the types I listed above.
@TJ
You, my friend, paid what I like to call a "stupid tax." I've paid that tax several times in my life, and I don't think I'm done with it yet. I try to make each taxation a learning experience.
It's just sad to me that it was another member here that imposed that tax upon you. And a moderator of this forum.
@TJ
You, my friend, paid what I like to call a "stupid tax." I've paid that tax several times in my life, and I don't think I'm done with it yet. I try to make each taxation a learning experience.
It's just sad to me that it was another member here that imposed that tax upon you. And a moderator of this forum.
/shrug
I hold no real vitriol about it. As you say, it was a simple stupid tax that I paid and moved on.
@TJ
You, my friend, paid what I like to call a "stupid tax." I've paid that tax several times in my life, and I don't think I'm done with it yet. I try to make each taxation a learning experience.
It's just sad to me that it was another member here that imposed that tax upon you. And a moderator of this forum.
/shrug
I hold no real vitriol about it. As you say, it was a simple stupid tax that I paid and moved on.
Ah, everyone has done that. I got caught up in the moment the other day and bought a $200 rock at the rock store that I took my 5 year old son too (so he could get a $0.50 rock). I got home and I'm like... WTF do I do with a rock?
@TJ
You, my friend, paid what I like to call a "stupid tax." I've paid that tax several times in my life, and I don't think I'm done with it yet. I try to make each taxation a learning experience.
It's just sad to me that it was another member here that imposed that tax upon you. And a moderator of this forum.
/shrug
I hold no real vitriol about it. As you say, it was a simple stupid tax that I paid and moved on.
Ah, everyone has done that. I got caught up in the moment the other day and bought a $200 rock at the rock store that I took my 5 year old son too (so he could get a $0.50 rock). I got home and I'm like... WTF do I do with a rock?
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Ah, everyone has done that. I got caught up in the moment the other day and bought a $200 rock at the rock store that I took my 5 year old son too (so he could get a $0.50 rock). I got home and I'm like... WTF do I do with a rock?
I bet it can 'rock' a mantle!
Picture above. Honestly don't even know what kind of rock it is. Something about a "mud ball" or something. I just think it looks like a superman egg... yeah, I may have been drinking. I wasn't driving.
Mud ball... septarian? Pudding stone? Just a ball of mud? :p
It really is a rock - it's a combination of calcite (usually an orange yellow) aragonite (brown tones) and silt-stone (grey to brown) with the calcite and aragonite being crystalline (both trigonal) and the silt-stone being amorphous. There can be little or no calcite, or little or no aragonite, but there must be at least one of them and there must be silt-stone. Here endith the lesson.
How about the rest of the people who were in the know about GMK and decided to troll our interest check threads with concerns about GMK's production capability, timelines, etc.? Some people have known about GMK a long time before the company name was ever even introduced to me. A certain someone in mid-2012 said to me (and I'm paraphrasing) to sell off all my doubleshots because a new company has acquired the tooling. The first sets would be beige doubleshots and Dolch following that. Now, I don't want to "reveal" any secrets, but chances are we will see Dolch sets fairly soon.
That person also told me that if I ever spoke a word about it, they would know that it was me (which btw I kept my promise). I'm sure that person shared the information amongst the l33t west coast, and thus began the journey of GMK production, hidden away from GH. I can go diving through my PM's and gchats for exact communications and of course, reveal the mystery at hand. And of course, I can continue speculating with my crazy theories but I'll leave that for my other post.
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I bet next set he is purchasing from GMK is Dolch...
How about the rest of the people who were in the know about GMK and decided to troll our interest check threads with concerns about GMK's production capability, timelines, etc.? Some people have known about GMK a long time before the company name was ever even introduced to me. A certain someone in mid-2012 said to me (and I'm paraphrasing) to sell off all my doubleshots because a new company has acquired the tooling. The first sets would be beige doubleshots and Dolch following that. Now, I don't want to "reveal" any secrets, but chances are we will see Dolch sets fairly soon.
That person also told me that if I ever spoke a word about it, they would know that it was me (which btw I kept my promise). I'm sure that person shared the information amongst the l33t west coast, and thus began the journey of GMK production, hidden away from GH. I can go diving through my PM's and gchats for exact communications and of course, reveal the mystery at hand. And of course, I can continue speculating with my crazy theories but I'll leave that for my other post.
This whole thing smells like **** and it's worse than I could imagine...(Not your post but the situation)
Also I don't actually get why mkawa is involved in all this thing if he isn't the vendor(Originative or Elite Keyboards) why does he know about that and did not say any word?
So after iMav left Geek Hack in hands of some moderators and administrators... Did they allowed a speculation gang to make profit from users? Because that's what it looks like.
Since when was this all about hiding secrets and managing all in secret so nobody would notice and some of the special ones coul make money. They even told you not to tell anybody LOL
I guess there are more people involved that already knew this and decided when to throw in the information so we couldn't start in time a GB that could ruin their objectives.
I just can believe that, it's hilarious :-\
As I said on DTQuote from: guilleguillaume[...]
I bet next set he is purchasing from GMK is Dolch...
Seriously this is all ****ed up. Can't recognise GH this days and I guess they don't want Dangwang to talk because he would just destroy their reputation in here.
I didn't want to post because I was going to regret it but this info is like BOOOM **** YOU LOSERS
I want to apologize to Originative/Sherry for my behavior last night on GH/DT/IRC as I was one of the people trying to stir the problem pot and troll people into being angry.
Sherry & I have had our differences in the past, but that is no excuse for how I behaved. I am actually quite embarrassed with myself.
The current state of GH is very frustrating for many of the older members who have been around for more than the last few months. We can remember a time when GH was a community where people helped each other. Not a place to make a quick buck at other members expense, while you troll & argue in every single thread. Unfortunately my frustration came out last night towards sherry, and for that I wish to apologize to him.
I don't care if people troll me for posting this, but this isn't for you, its for sherry. I wish you good luck with your new business and am sorry for any negativity I brought towards it last night on GH/DT/IRC
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Now with that out of the way, I have an actual constructive question to ask.
Will future keycap sets include the couple other necessary keys to allow them to be used on non traditional layout 104/101 US ANSI keyboards?
There is a huge list of custom and production keyboards which are not usable with ANY of the sets being offered. Off the top of my head the following keyboards or layouts are unusable with with what is for sale:
-Any custom board which has 1x modifiers as an option usually in an 86key layout such as The Cheat, any of the LZ boards, Phantom, GH60, KMAC mini,
-Existing non-custom boards such as Race, pure, g80-1800's, and the other gaming brands I cannot remember their names but use 1x modifiers as well
All other group buys done through Geek Hack in recent history have at least had the option available to purchase these keys. Usually if you purchased a tsangan kit add-on and keypad/10key kit add-on you would be covered for these layouts. You wouldn't always have everything in the correct profile, but you could at least fill an entire keyboard for any of the types I listed above.
I really hope everyone just stops fighting. I do not care if you guys hate me for this. I just wanted to surprise everyone with some original Cherry, but I am really not enjoying this at all.This would have gone a lot smoother if you were upfront about fronting the costs and turning your something special into a store rather than a GB.
This would have gone a lot smoother if you were upfront about fronting the costs and turning your something special into a store rather than a GB.
Ha! keymaster trolling litster with his avatar now. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3fwXV7N.png)
For the people who think Sherryton shouldn't have kept this to himself, do you feel the same way about EK, which has been selling the red Esc keycap for a while, for higher price than Sherryton is selling?
For the people who think Sherryton shouldn't have kpet this to himself, what would you have done yourself if you were in his position and have tens of thousand of dollars locked in an order?
I *****ed and moaned about people who do group buy in name and use other people group buy payments to fund their money-making adventure, and many of you are OK with that. Now, Sherryton put up his own money, or might have taken a big loan out (interest), so he can start a business to make a few bucks. He assumes all the risk. If no one buys it, he is screwed. He would be swimming in keycaps in his bath tub. If no one buys keycaps from a group buy... no, wait, that would never happen, because everyone has to pay up first and wait for months. Remember someone asked you for more money because he screwed up and didn't count for keycap sorting fees, and you happily paid more? I remembered and I paid more. Try sorting a keycap set for a full size keyboard yourself. Then try doing it hundreds of times. How much do you think you should be paid for doing that 8 hours a day?
Tell me, honestly, how many of your work your day job for free?
For the people who think Sherryton shouldn't have kept this to himself, do you feel the same way about EK, which has been selling the red Esc keycap for a while, for higher price than Sherryton is selling?
For the people who think Sherryton shouldn't have kpet this to himself, what would you have done yourself if you were in his position and have tens of thousand of dollars locked in an order?
Tell me, honestly, how many of your work your day job for free?
And yet people sell / buy CC's and Brobots etc for over 4 times their original value, second hand, and noone says a damn word.any commentary about CC sales for ridiculous prices gets moderated and removed, that's why you don't see it
i heard, originative will sell kmac2 soon. good luckI wish we didn't have to "hear" about products coming soon. Many companies actually announce what they are bringing to market in advance to drum up interest and get consumers ready to buy. I don't even think it would be out of the question for Originative to poll the community to figure out what it should buy next, almost like an interest check. Why not give your customers exactly what they want?
That's exactly what The Keyboard Company usually does and I really appreciate it.i heard, originative will sell kmac2 soon. good luckI wish we didn't have to "hear" about products coming soon. Many companies actually announce what they are bringing to market in advance to drum up interest and get consumers ready to buy. I don't even think it would be out of the question for Originative to poll the community to figure out what it should buy next, almost like an interest check. Why not give your customers exactly what they want?
For the people who think Sherryton shouldn't have kept this to himself, do you feel the same way about EK, which has been selling the red Esc keycap for a while, for higher price than Sherryton is selling?
For the people who think Sherryton shouldn't have kpet this to himself, what would you have done yourself if you were in his position and have tens of thousand of dollars locked in an order?
I *****ed and moaned about people who do group buy in name and use other people group buy payments to fund their money-making adventure, and many of you are OK with that. Now, Sherryton put up his own money, or might have taken a big loan out (interest), so he can start a business to make a few bucks. He assumes all the risk. If no one buys it, he is screwed. He would be swimming in keycaps in his bath tub. If no one buys keycaps from a group buy... no, wait, that would never happen, because everyone has to pay up first and wait for months. Remember someone asked you for more money because he screwed up and didn't count for keycap sorting fees, and you happily paid more? I remembered and I paid more. Try sorting a keycap set for a full size keyboard yourself. Then try doing it hundreds of times. How much do you think you should be paid for doing that 8 hours a day?
Tell me, honestly, how many of your work your day job for free?
That possibility of backlash and risk of lost orders is why I decided not to work a sorting/shipping fee into the klaxon prices. Hell, the backlash from i3 having any markup in the Breaking Bad stuff was nearly enough to chase me away from even organizing it. The point, I guess, is that I'm having to do exactly the scenario you're proposing soon because of the braying about business/time values.
The funny part is that the biggest naysayer here has already ordered from the new site before sherry changed the prices.
I can see both sides of the equation, so I don't know that there's a "right" way.
At my company, we've chosen to only announce new services/products when they're available for purchase. Apple mostly does the same thing. The advantage is that you can buy it right away and you don't have any possible impacts to existing product lines, yada yada yada.
What I personally like about this is that I don't have to rush something to market, or apologize for delays due to something out of my control. I suppose this depends on how long something is "coming soon", but if you announce something too soon and it takes too long to come to market, you lose whatever momentum you may have built up. Not to mention giving competitors time to catch up. ;D
Then again, GH is a community of early adopters and enthusiasts and we love hearing about new products before everyone else, so the nerd in me wants the same thing as danielucf and guilleguillaume -- more coming soon information!
Besides, how else can I get a loan approved in time for all the goodies I want to buy?!? :confused:
I feel I've made points regarding this in my earlier posts and I never hear anything credible about the benefits. All we got to see were ad hominem attacks which don't address my questions.
Thank you Sherryton for providing something hard to source for the community.
I feel I've made points regarding this in my earlier posts and I never hear anything credible about the benefits. All we got to see were ad hominem attacks which don't address my questions.
There are certainly benefits. But benefits to whom? To you? To the business owner? To EK?
Are you saying, as the business owner, you would release confidential information about what you had just ordered with your tens of thousands of dollars of investment from the manufacturer? Are you saying you expected EK to tell the world he was going to be selling Cherry Red Esc keycaps right after he submitted his order to GMK?
Yeah... you're not kidding. I was signed off for the last few days, and I come back to a 6 page thread raving about all the cool products and what not... but under construction...
Yea, we must be patient! (damn, I am like the most impatient guy on earth!) :eek: :eek:
No offense, but i have something to speak of my mind.You're wrong
Please correct me if i'm wrong, Sherry founded Originative and GMK, correct?
thanks for correcting me.No offense, but i have something to speak of my mind.You're wrong
Please correct me if i'm wrong, Sherry founded Originative and GMK, correct?
So anyone know the history of how GMK started? How people found out they had the cherry tools and when? Did they do the WEY boards?
Where is GMK located, and what's their website ?
I'm not trying to help anyone, but each have their own situation and i might be wrong with what i'm thinking.
And i would like to compliment sherry to be honest. even though that i am not happy with the price, but he/she did come here to explain and even have discussion with he/her own company to drop the price down to $95.(which is not a good thing in my point of view)
For the people who think Sherryton shouldn't have kept this to himself, do you feel the same way about EK, which has been selling the red Esc keycap for a while, for higher price than Sherryton is selling?
For the people who think Sherryton shouldn't have kpet this to himself, what would you have done yourself if you were in his position and have tens of thousand of dollars locked in an order?
I *****ed and moaned about people who do group buy in name and use other people group buy payments to fund their money-making adventure, and many of you are OK with that. Now, Sherryton put up his own money, or might have taken a big loan out (interest), so he can start a business to make a few bucks. He assumes all the risk. If no one buys it, he is screwed. He would be swimming in keycaps in his bath tub. If no one buys keycaps from a group buy... no, wait, that would never happen, because everyone has to pay up first and wait for months. Remember someone asked you for more money because he screwed up and didn't count for keycap sorting fees, and you happily paid more? I remembered and I paid more. Try sorting a keycap set for a full size keyboard yourself. Then try doing it hundreds of times. How much do you think you should be paid for doing that 8 hours a day?
Tell me, honestly, how many of your work your day job for free?
To finish this... please, do not make comparisons between normal vendors and others. I don't see EK nor TKC disguised as a fellow members and then slashing everybody by releasing products. If anything, EK has always been fair with their CC keycaps, even though they KNEW they could make a killing for every single one of them... but they didn't. And what about TKC? They are very transparent about what they can and what they can't get, and don't wait for somebody to make a GB and then appear with all the same products on the shelf.
That is not how a business should work: either you are a part of this community, or you are a business people, but don't try to be both cause you will fail... as its not nice to be disguised as a keyboard enthusiast and, at the same time, try to make money. Conflict of interest and that sort of things...
I don't care if somebody paid upfront for a ton of keycaps that he plans to sell, really.
Also, its quite funny that people compare business models with what happens in this community, when its like apples to monkeys, all at once.
What troubles me, and should trouble everyone, is that sherryton ordered a ton of product and, although he saw some people investing their time to organize a GB... he said nothing about it. So, the problem is not sherryton wanting to do business... the problem comes when his business screwed up a group-buy AND made the organizers look like idiots since sherryton will bring to the market some of the keycaps the group-buy was planning to bring.
Is it that hard to make an announcement:
"hey guys, just wanted to let you know that I made a deal with xXxXxXx company and will bring original Cherry DS to the market".
You do it like this, you are an upfront and honest person, and nobody gets hurt... because nobody will try to make a GB out of this if you can just get the keycaps the moment (or much closer) you pay for them. Instead, somebody made a "submarine" order... and waited for the GB organizers to have things planned to say "hey, I bought a ton of keycaps so don't bother with the GB". That is NOT what should have happened... and everybody would be happy.
To finish this... please, do not make comparisons between normal vendors and others.
I don't see EK nor TKC disguised as a fellow members and then slashing everybody by releasing products. If anything, EK has always been fair with their CC keycaps, even though they KNEW they could make a killing for every single one of them... but they didn't.
And what about TKC? They are very transparent about what they can and what they can't get, and don't wait for somebody to make a GB and then appear with all the same products on the shelf.
That is not how a business should work: either you are a part of this community, or you are a business people, but don't try to be both cause you will fail...You are confused again. Maybe not again, just still confused. You declare Originative failed. How so? Because Originative did you tell you what they ordered from GMK? Yep, total failure according to prava. Yep, If Originative didn't do this, I wouldn't have a chance to order a set of Olivette double shot keycaps, but now I can own a set. Yep, total failure.
as its not nice to be disguised as a keyboard enthusiast and, at the same time, try to make money. Conflict of interest and that sort of things...
keymaster knows what he is talking about.
monitor the forums as in he doesn't read the forum threads, or you don't see he replies to forum threads?
I'm saying EK probably doesn't visit the forums unless someone talks smack about Leopold/RF and a fan points it out to them.
They ask everyone to sign up for the newsletter but then they don't put one out when new product is in stock; if that gives you any indication into how involved they are.
[...]Are you really sure about that? I know for sure you weren't here 2 years ago because purchasing keycaps was indeed a "community thing" as you like to call it.
I think many of you get too attached to the idea of purchasing keycaps a 'community thing' when it really isn't. We're here to talk, discuss, share, and display our keyboards/caps...
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tl;dr --> Community =/= business
[...]Are you really sure about that? I know for sure you weren't here 2 years ago because purchasing keycaps was indeed a "community thing" as you like to call it.
I think many of you get too attached to the idea of purchasing keycaps a 'community thing' when it really isn't. We're here to talk, discuss, share, and display our keyboards/caps...
[...]
tl;dr --> Community =/= business
Some of you arrived on the past months when GH has become just a bunch of greedy people trying to screw up everyone they can no matter what. Of course there are really nice users here but too many *******s came here and they made this forum their home. Because of that this forum now stinks quite bad.
[...]Are you really sure about that? I know for sure you weren't here 2 years ago because purchasing keycaps was indeed a "community thing" as you like to call it.
I think many of you get too attached to the idea of purchasing keycaps a 'community thing' when it really isn't. We're here to talk, discuss, share, and display our keyboards/caps...
[...]
tl;dr --> Community =/= business
Some of you arrived on the past months when GH has become just a bunch of greedy people trying to screw up everyone they can no matter what. Of course there are really nice users here but too many *******s came here and they made this forum their home. Because of that this forum now stinks quite bad.
I'm not telling that Sherryton is one of them just telling you that you've only known the bad GH and those things you're talking about are taken as normal things were they weren't on the past.
Geek Hack have never been about making money or finding a way to create business for some.
I think many of you get too attached to the idea of purchasing keycaps a 'community thing' when it really isn't. We're here to talk, discuss, share, and display our keyboards/caps...
However, when it comes down to buying the product, it's coming out of my own pocket and my wallet doesn't care whether I pay into a group buy or an individual seller.
it sure used to be.
that shift is one of the reasons i mostly just post in off topic these days; a bunch of MBA students discovered keyboards and decided to turn their hobby into a profit, and in the process convinced a majority of geekhack that profiteering off of keycaps should be the NORM rather than the exception.
nobody has been able to give me a compelling reason why that should be the case (and please, just don't bother trying; i've been in/instigated this discussion countless times in the past), and i am still of the minority opinion that profiteering WITHIN a hobby community is antisocial and poisonous to the community.
the current state of geekhack reflects this and as such i am not as interested in continuing to engage in what used to be a community but now feels like a group of greedy individuals showing off and competing in an unhealthy and excessive manner.
OGs and real deals: keep doin ya thang. keycap nubs: go home. profiteers and capitalists: i have no sympathy for you, let the market gut you for all you're worth.
Oh boy, I guess no one can make profits off of aftermarket parts for cars, computers, etc. because these are all hobbies. :rolleyes:
Oh boy, I guess no one can make profits off of aftermarket parts for cars, computers, etc. because these are all hobbies. :rolleyes:
what is your point? there is next to no commercial hobbyist keyboard industry in america save a couple of hard-working companies that do not ally themselves with geekhack anymore.
like i said there is practically nothing you can say to me that's going to change my mind about this, and being sarcastic in an earnest conversation with people who have seen this change in geekhack is earning you zero credibility.
Perhaps no one here can change your mind, but you certainly aren't the only one who needs to see things simply as they are: an emerging market is being filled by businessmen. It's the way the world works, bud. It seems you have a problem with capitalism, which, need I remind you, is the dominant economic system in the world. :)
Perhaps no one here can change your mind, but you certainly aren't the only one who needs to see things simply as they are: an emerging market is being filled by businessmen. It's the way the world works, bud. It seems you have a problem with capitalism, which, need I remind you, is the dominant economic system in the world. :)
what you're saying is that might makes right. this a fledgling hobbyist community; WE get to decide what we want and if you're just going to roll over on your back and let profiteers **** you over for your rich boy toys then that's what you deserve.
OGs and real deals: keep doin ya thang. keycap nubs: go home. profiteers and capitalists: i have no sympathy for you, let the market gut you for all you're worth.
uh, nope? sorry you feel that way; you're clearly not who i'm talking about. i love to see new members turn into friends and help build the community. there are a lot of folks who show up, buy a bunch of stuff and then move on to another money-sink too.OGs and real deals: keep doin ya thang. keycap nubs: go home. profiteers and capitalists: i have no sympathy for you, let the market gut you for all you're worth.
So as a "keycap nub" who just purchased key caps from you, this is what you think of me? :eek:
I've built and worked with online communities since the days of the Commodore 64 BBS and I really don't understand all the vitriol over someone from within the community starting a new business.
Then again, what do I know, I just a keycap newb who apparently should just delete his account here and go away.
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but yet, ragnarok got a pass for adding fees to his group buys.
and then, when he messed up on certain things (like sorting) he cried and people gave him more money.
where were all these people complaining about that?
it was me, lit, and sth constantly complaining. nobody else, everybody stayed quite while he used YOUR(well not specifically yours, but the people that were in his GBs) money to get lower prices and make profit.
profiting off GH happened way before this.
at least this time, sherryton used his own money and took the risk of not even breaking even. because, as stated multiple times, his order was put in way before GH knew of GMK or before there was an IC open.
And that's the reason why I just talked a lot of **** about him but it seems GH demands censorship and when someones tries to screw up people and make profit of them they just say blablabla "threadcrap".
uh, nope? sorry you feel that way; you're clearly not who i'm talking about. i love to see new members turn into friends and help build the community. there are a lot of folks who show up, buy a bunch of stuff and then move on to another money-sink too.OGs and real deals: keep doin ya thang. keycap nubs: go home. profiteers and capitalists: i have no sympathy for you, let the market gut you for all you're worth.
So as a "keycap nub" who just purchased key caps from you, this is what you think of me? :eek:
I've built and worked with online communities since the days of the Commodore 64 BBS and I really don't understand all the vitriol over someone from within the community starting a new business.
Then again, what do I know, I just a keycap newb who apparently should just delete his account here and go away.
I can't paste tables like I used to be able to with the old vB forum software. This may help people understand the difference. Let me know if I missed something or if you have suggestionsfantastic post, lit. forums propagate information, and this summarizes the state of the market nicely. sorry about the lack of paste-in-table support :(
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sherry your sites picked up by our filers at work, potentially damaging content.
regardless, i think further requests for ISO keys from originative belongs in originative's forum.
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they produced the wey boards quite a while ago, and very few people have a very good inventory of what tooling they are in possession of now. again:Quote from: meregardless, i think further requests for ISO keys from originative belongs in originative's forum.
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they produced the wey boards quite a while ago, and very few people have a very good inventory of what tooling they are in possession of now. again:Quote from: meregardless, i think further requests for ISO keys from originative belongs in originative's forum.
I think you're forgetting that GMK is a German company. Does a German company that produce keycaps and keyboards for Europe(most countries in Europe use ISO) and the rest of the world have the tools to create keycaps for ISO layouts? Of course they do.
If GMK would make small numbers of ISO key sets for large orders then it would be more likely that ISO users could be supported. At the moment in most group buys at geekhack only 10-15% need ISO. Is it fair to make every full set include two more keys if that drives the price up by several dollars? Not my call.
If GMK would make small numbers of ISO key sets for large orders then it would be more likely that ISO users could be supported. At the moment in most group buys at geekhack only 10-15% need ISO. Is it fair to make every full set include two more keys if that drives the price up by several dollars? Not my call.
Well for some few bucks per set :-\
But excluding iso users means less sets, more expensive. I'm not the equation is so easy :-)
Originative Grand Closing.
Originative Grand Closing.