"No appreciation of SuperVan's proposed GB price."
As opposed to further aggravate SuperVan, the best way moving forward is to get enough people in the GB, so that the $1 mark can be hit.
Enough said.
I am also curious where the original Panda GB runners are? Are the molds really destroyed or not? We need to get to the bottom of this.
If original Panda runners can release an R2 at a lower pricing to counter SuperVan's pricing, maybe it will be good for the community.
Oldcat, I'm legitimately interested, is English your native language? I only ask because maybe what I wrote, albeit it was rather long, was lost in translation? Or rather, are you that ignorant to summarize what I wrote as "No appreciation of SuperVan's proposed GB price."? To be honest, I don't care all that much to go into explaining as to why your one sentence summary of what I wrote is so egregiously wrong because it will just fall onto deaf ears and frankly would be a complete waste of my time. You have displayed yourself as SuperVan's one and only fluffer throughout this whole thread. Regardless of the numerous valid points that have been raised and continue to be raised after my post it is clear to me that they have either just flown over your head or your purposefully choosing to be ignorant. Whatever the case is, I hope you enjoy your 2000 (post#44) or 680 (post#421) R2 pandas. Better make up your mind on how many pandas you want before you miss out on this amazing pricing. One last bit of advice, might I suggest you invest in some wrist braces my dude.
Jesus, can we get a TLDR?
Hahaha sorry dude, I definitely should've included a TLDR. Next time!
Much of what is being discussed in the thread more or less summarizes my sentiments. Below is a TLDR from Remsky's post, it covers enough of what I discussed to get the gist of it.
You have quite literally become the panda day trader. You buy switches upfront instead of after the orders from the GB come in so that you can control the pricing via arbitrary MOQ's and so that you control the supply of new panda switches. You sell them at ridiculous prices with disgusting profit margins because some people in this community think that aftermarket price = GB pricing and can be suckered into your pricing hierarchy. Jesus have mercy on your soul, the panda all father has sinned!
tl;dr
- MOQ's are unrealistic when compared to other maufacturer's. MOQ's are also arbitrary since Van is acting as a supplier, there is no collective order to the maufacturer like in standard GB's.
- There was little to no R&D done by van. Springs are stock BSUN springs, plastic mix is different, logo is different and most likely uses a modified BSUN mold. This also means that his cost to produce was lower. For reference, the OG pandas costed around 30c each to make, including R&D costs.
- The chinese promotional run was treated as more of a private GB. It's stated intention of being for promotion is a straight up lie.
- To everyone defending the price points: Does that mean that GB pricing should now be based on aftermarket values of their designs? Should popular artisan makers start selling their designs for hundreds of dollars because thats what they go for aftermarket? Should popular board makers like TGR start selling boards for 700-900 usd because that is the aftermarket price of their boards? GB pricing should not be determined by after market pricing, it is a slippery slope leading to gauged out GB prices.
Remsky, thanks for the additional technical analysis regarding MOQ numbers/prices/etc that I'm just not knowledgeable enough to touch on. I'm glad we both agree on the day trading aspect.
Lots of good feedback and discussion going on in this thread. While this whole IC process and SuperVan's business practice, behavior, and whatever else you want to call it has left a sour taste in my mouth, it's a positive indicator that people are starting to get past the hype of an R2 panda and see this GB for what it really is. I guess this IC was good for the community after all...? All the best to you SuperVan, sincerely.
