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Title: [IC] Hailey — SS 75%
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:00:01
Hailey
A Stainless Steel 75%


On hold. Previously...


More



(https://i.imgur.com/D1ernLt.jpg)


/) hi geekhack

Ever since I first heard the incredibly light, crisp clack of steel, I've been in love with the idea of a keyboard machined from stainless steel. After a storied, arduous development & 160 hours of renders, I'm finally ready to present Hailey, a stainless steel 75%. Its swooping lower assembly draws obvious inspiration from 159's illustrious Kepler keyboard, and a mirror-polished stainless steel finish adds an elegant touch to the piece. A delightful juxtaposition of gentle curves and hard angles, Hailey sits as a statement piece on your desktop, but still remains aesthetically neutral enough to fit most themes.


> DISCORD < (https://discord.gg/kUMAQDH)





(https://i.imgur.com/KHGdOB0.png)


UPDATES


11/15/19 — On Renders & Prices...

yee yee renders

The price for the board has been finalized at $750... though I'm sure many of you might already know that after the recent events that transpired. The plate options are also solidified—carbon fiber, carbon fiber ISO, aluminum, brass, and POM. All are priced at $30 each. PCBs will go for $55 each. Note that the extra PCBs won't ship with a daughterboard, nor will I be carrying extras in stock at Keylace. Your Hailey kit will ship with two HERA-C boards by default.


11/11/19 — On ANSI & ISO...

Alright, so I finished the PCB. The board will support ISO (both enter and left shift). There's been a decent number of respondents on ISO options, so I will be offering a carbon fiber ISO-only plate.


11/7/19 — On Good News & Bad News...

Hey, I got some good news and some bad news. The good news is that Hailey will be priced at a much more reasonable number that is not $850. The bad news is that I have to remove the PVD option entirely.

The thing about PVD finishes is that QC'ing them is secretly the tenth circle of hell. I wouldn't be willing to accept even a tiny burr mark, and that's incredibly hard to guarantee on a workpiece of this size. I thought limiting it to ten-ish units would be feasible, but at that point we'd be paying almost twice the price just for a shiny butt. In conclusion—I can't go volume production because of QC, and I can't do limited production because of price. I've very sadly then struck PVD from the offering entirely. I promise I would really love to have it, but it's simply not the move.

Meanwhile, things developed with the Kagami finish. Turns out, my manufacturer isn't intending to polish the internals of the lower, which means the non-exposed faces will be left with a raw, machined finish. I must concede—it is very careless to sell a half-assed workpiece for a retail north of $700, but I honestly cannot devise any other solutions. I should clarify, though, that all external faces will be polished to a mirror standard, which means you won't see any of the raw texture unless you peer into the USB port.

(https://i.imgur.com/2MydaK5.png)

The surfaces marked in blue, as well as the housing for the daughterboard, will be left with a raw machined finish.
This is a much cheaper alternative to polishing everything, which is both prohibitively expensive and minutely impossible in some corners.
Anecdotally, this also improves sound signature, but I'm not entirely sure how that works. Something to do with a diffuse surface vs glossy.


There is at least one more piece of good news. Engraving through CNC wasn't an option for the Kagami finish because it wouldn't be possible to polish the engraving. I realized, though, that I could just laser "Hailey" onto the rear! I've always wanted to do a laser engraving on a keyboard somewhere; I just haven't had the right keeb until now. Personally, I think the contrast of a mirrored surface against a matte engraving would look great. I'll have some renders up for that later.

Also, before I get any more questions—I am not serializing it. I'm not big on serialized boards, to be honest.


11/6/19 — On Colors and PVD...

Okay, I admittedly did not expect to update this quick, but that's my fault for pushing out a slightly rushed IC.

Big thanks to 159 as well as some others for warning me about the insane QC for PVD parts (and keyboards at large). After some deliberation, I've decided to limit the buy to 75 units of Hailey. As suggested by Rensuya, mirror-polished stainless steel will be made available as an option. Personally, I was rather surprised that this was a pretty well-received feature. In order to reduce the price tag (and also issues with polishing), I've very unfortunately decided to remove the engraving at the bottom of the board. It's on the bottom, anyway; you'll never see it. The mirror-polished Kagami finish will be priced lower than the PVD coating in a vain attempt to keep the quantity of that latter finish low. I should note, however, that there will be a limit of ten units for the PVD coating, for those who really want that shiny rose gold tone.

From lack of interest, I've dropped the Ano. "Nightingale Blue" upper and the PVD "Onyx Black" lower from the lineup. I've also modified the daughterboard cutout to keep things a little more sensical.





SPECIFICATIONS


(https://i.imgur.com/7LjxxGL.png)


      Aluminum 6063-T6 upper + beadblasted & anodized or electrophoretic coating finish
      Stainless steel 304L lower assembly + mirror-polished finish & a laser-engraved logotype.
             Personally, I find it quite convenient to be able to buff & polish away any scratches. This is something I do on watches and other stainless steel-made wear, so I imagine it won't be much different with a keyboard.
      Carbon fiber plate suspended in a full isolation mount, supported by custom-cut shock absorbent PORON strips.
             A brass & an aluminum plate will also be available for an added sum. It won't be much, though. And as per usual, the plate files will be made publicly available at the conclusion of the buy phase.
      An Alps EC11 rotary encoder with a click switch. Unlike the renders, knobs will be knurled on the sides. It is made of aluminum and available in silver and black.
             The encoder uses a standard 6mm D-shaped post, should you wish to use your own rotary knob.
      Custom "May" PCB; with an ARM STM32 chip, ESD & overcurrent protection, and the HERA-C daughterboard.
             Keylace will offer, for as cheap as possible, extra May PCBs & Hailey-type HERA-C daughterboards in case yours goes yoink. Each Hailey will ship with two HERA-Cs.
             Please note, also, that I design in the 19mm spacing.
      Two adhesive-backed silicone rubber feet, custom-cut
      5.5° typing angle


I'll be running Hailey as an FCFS GB through my site Keylace.co, which will soon be launching to carry Cygnus. Mid-December, three prototype units will be shown and sent out to streams.



(https://i.imgur.com/83vtHSL.jpg)






SALES

Price — $750. Add plates for $30, add PCB for $55.

Quantity — I am still oscillating on this matter. Currently, the board has a 75 unit limit. At 100, the Cost of Goods for the board itself goes down, and if this is the case, I would very much like to use this extra overhead to focus on better presentation, packaging, and fine-tune the board at large (essentially, instead of reducing the price, I offer a better product than budget would've otherwise allowed).

Shipping — USPS.

Lead Time — Three months, give or take. I should note that the shipping phase won't take long, as I have about half a dozen people assigned to packaging & logistics.





IC FORM (https://forms.gle/ySbuPYRhubXZxoxA8)





RENDERS
Note: the renders are representative, and while I try to show what I want to sell, they are not 100% indicative of final colors, finishes, or other product options.

Please be aware that the ano. "Nightingale Blue" Upper & rose gold/black PVD Lowers are no longer offered. Additionally, contrary to renders, the stock knobs will be knurled on the sides. I'll have more renders posted soon to reflect the changes.




(https://i.imgur.com/DFZdE8E.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/uPnOYPA.jpg)



(https://i.imgur.com/Of3rqQc.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/knXdU2O.jpg)



(https://i.imgur.com/FBeMRBS.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/PAyYHce.jpg)



(https://i.imgur.com/EOxE8yE.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/HyfuaC6.jpg)



(https://i.imgur.com/VZyI5QR.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Geb0GRh.jpg)



(https://i.imgur.com/iOSf7b6.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/KKn7f1l.jpg)



(https://i.imgur.com/pyeyEJS.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/IZC6B3H.jpg)



(https://i.imgur.com/6Y95vdg.jpg)






SPECIAL THANKS

...to 159 for providing early feedback, the Kepler TKL, & saving me from the sheer hell of QC'ing a hundred PVD parts;
...to Rensuya & senter for suggesting the Kagami mirror-polished stainless steel finish;
...to driftingbunnies for consultation on sale quantities and the "Hailey" engraving;
...to enome for reminding me to make a Discord server and being an excellent wall to which I could bounce ideas off, as well as an amazing source of support;
...to mrpetrov for also being an excellent wall;
...and to you for reading, especially if you left a comment :)



Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: mrpetrov on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:03:32
Very intrigued.

It’s like the love child of a Kepler and a Satisfaction75, which I mean as a massive compliment!

Planning a proto?

Also, I think I recall those long bumpon strips being a bit prone to peeling off over time, but I could be mistaken.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Monday.io on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:04:17
Id buy it 100%
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: mydens on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:05:41
Why not stainless steel on top? its the best thing about the board and your hiding it.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:08:19
Very interesting board. I really enjoy the look and the rotary encoder. How much cheaper would it be to run with an aluminum lower assembly? It seems like a lot more machining is involved to produce the lower assembly. Other than added weight, I personally don't see a need to go with stainless steel given the added costs.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: chriszhu on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:11:01
Ohhhh, looks interesting!
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Quinella on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:14:40
Failed No Nut November to Hailey.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:18:35
YES!!!!!! I was seriously thinking about the 7V but instead of a logo put a rotary encoder! I really like how it looks like it's floating from the side shot. I'm all in for this.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: 002 DC on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:25:47
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Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: senter on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:27:16
I'm glad to see another stainless steel custom coming out. Why PVD finish on the steel tho?
PVD brass is commonly used in the community. Steel is almost the same heavy as brass and it looks exactly the same as well when both are PVDed.
It's would be a shame when you bring something new but it doesn't seem like so.
I agree with Norbauer's take on naked stainless steel. The look is unique and the maintainability is a great feature. You can read his full comments here  (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102635.0)
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:27:28
Oh this is up my alley. 
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: naked_and_jameson on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:28:39
I don't know if it's just me, but it seems like the IC form link isn't working.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: ilemondrop on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:31:48
This looks amazing, like probably one of the nicest boards I've seen during my 4 months in the hobby so far. I'm definitely in the wrong tax bracket for this board, I'd be open for a full body aluminum for the broke bois like me.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:32:54
hi I fixed the ic form sorry for being DUMB

Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: zekkin on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:41:16
I do not think an unlimited buy for something involving something so painfully QC involved as PVD should be an unlimited group buy. I would recommend you set a hard limit to preserve the quality of the keyboard as well as your personal sanity.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: ptiede on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:46:29
I am definitely considering this. Although I do have a kepler on the way :p
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: ab042896 on Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:35:15
POM plate sounds interesting. Also if going with PVD on the steel, why such limited choice on the colours?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:36:23
This looks like an awesome keyboard.  How might an all stainless steel base compare with an all brass like Kepler vs an aluminum base? I assume the sound and possibly the feel would be different, but anyway to describe the difference? Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:48:01
Planning a proto?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Three prototypes will be produced (two to be sold off at discount, by the way) and shown.

I do not think an unlimited buy for something involving something so painfully QC involved as PVD should be an unlimited group buy.

You may be right, yeah. I might have to cap Hailey to 50 units or less, considering the PVD. I heard it's pretty insane getting the coating flawless on workpieces like the lower.

if going with PVD on the steel, why such limited choice on the colours?

PVD is expensive, bro

How might an all stainless steel base compare with an all brass like Kepler vs an aluminum base?

Hailey's SS lower is mostly an exercise in acoustics; the sound of brass is quite dark and dead, as brass isolates the sound signature to just the switches. Aluminum is pretty light and hollow in my opinion (although excellent case design can make it thocky). In any case, Hailey isn't looking for a thock as much as a super light, crisp "clack," if that makes any sense.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:06:05
Planning a proto?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Three prototypes will be produced (two to be sold off at discount, by the way) and shown.

I do not think an unlimited buy for something involving something so painfully QC involved as PVD should be an unlimited group buy.

You may be right, yeah. I might have to cap Hailey to 50 units or less, considering the PVD. I heard it's pretty insane getting the coating flawless on workpieces like the lower.

if going with PVD on the steel, why such limited choice on the colours?

PVD is expensive, bro

How might an all stainless steel base compare with an all brass like Kepler vs an aluminum base?

Hailey's SS lower is mostly an exercise in acoustics; the sound of brass is quite dark and dead, as brass isolates the sound signature to just the switches. Aluminum is pretty light and hollow in my opinion (although excellent case design can make it thocky). In any case, Hailey isn't looking for a thock as much as a super light, crisp "clack," if that makes any sense.

Sure, makes sense. I appreciate the reply.  I'm in the market for a 75%, will definitely keep an eye out for this one.  I love how you designed the cut out on side of the top half to allow the weight to peek out. Looks really nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:07:09
I do not think an unlimited buy for something involving something so painfully QC involved as PVD should be an unlimited group buy.

You may be right, yeah. I might have to cap Hailey to 50 units or less, considering the PVD. I heard it's pretty insane getting the coating flawless on workpieces like the lower.

Will there be any other options for the bottom piece other than PVD? I ask because I can guarantee I won't be one of the first 50.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:13:42
Great board.

Is that GMK lux or a set of similar nature?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:14:42
Will there be any other options for the bottom piece other than PVD? I ask because I can guarantee I won't be one of the first 50.

Considering the QC needed, I'm thinking of limiting the PVD and instead running Hailey with a mirror-polished SS304 lower, which seemed surprisingly popular when I asked around.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:16:23
Will there be any other options for the bottom piece other than PVD? I ask because I can guarantee I won't be one of the first 50.

Considering the QC needed, I'm thinking of limiting the PVD and instead running Hailey with a mirror-polished SS304 lower, which seemed surprisingly popular when I asked around.

YES!!!! Thank you, kindly!
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Rensuya on Mon, 04 November 2019, 22:00:48
This board looks absolutely amazing, I cannot wait for updates!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: rondg on Mon, 04 November 2019, 22:22:34
I know the whole theme of the board is it's made of stainless steel, but I hope you consider aluminum on succeeding runs. I am too poor for this :(

Good luck with this one!
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: 002 DC on Tue, 05 November 2019, 01:40:36
any discord servers for updates/bouncing ideas???
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Butterbeer on Tue, 05 November 2019, 03:01:29
Will there be any other options for the bottom piece other than PVD? I ask because I can guarantee I won't be one of the first 50.

Considering the QC needed, I'm thinking of limiting the PVD and instead running Hailey with a mirror-polished SS304 lower, which seemed surprisingly popular when I asked around.

If steel is the big selling point then focus on the mirror option would be a good move. As much as I want that Rose Gold, seeing it on two different metals might not work.

I love the idea of a polished Stainless Steel Mirror bottom and if you could add a matching stainless steel top that would be awesome.

The Iron 65 Founders Edition offered a Stainless steel top shell, available in E-white or E-black. I think both would look great when paired with a stainless steel mirror bottom.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Datastream on Tue, 05 November 2019, 03:27:04
Very sexy looking board with every button in the right place but too expensive for my taste. Gonna be a pass from me.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: voxkey on Tue, 05 November 2019, 07:45:06
Looking good!
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Obamas Mama on Tue, 05 November 2019, 10:15:50
Might have to sell everything I own for this
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: gasp on Tue, 05 November 2019, 11:58:06
Absolutely love the look and idea of this board, in love with the potential pvd coated bottom. Price tag is for sure large, but I'm sure justified by the material used. I'll be keeping an eye on this for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: switchnollie on Tue, 05 November 2019, 13:49:16
Does the knob got click action like analog sticks on a console controller?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Genn on Tue, 05 November 2019, 17:41:33
I love the overall design, but I can't get behind the idea of a rotary encoder simply because I feel a round cut clashes too much with the overall look of a keyboard. Any chance there could be a different top piece, without the rotary encoder?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: dumpling420 on Tue, 05 November 2019, 18:16:25
I really dig the board but like others have said I think it's way too expensive for me. I would honestly buy this if it was cheaper and made of aluminium, I don't really consider the material to be that big of a selling point, I think that the looks + the rotary encoder are enough to make this board stand out.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: breckstar on Tue, 05 November 2019, 18:27:03
between this and cygnus is a toss up. i want both.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 06 November 2019, 03:24:04
Nice board.  Love the rotary.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Kevadu on Wed, 06 November 2019, 16:04:42
I told myself I was going to stop buying keyboards...why did you have to make this beautiful thing?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 06 November 2019, 18:36:38
Lovely design, gonna cost way more than I feel comfortable paying for keyboards though - will be on the lookout for further iterations with alternate materials. Good luck!
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — A Stainless Steel 75%
Post by: PheonixStarr on Wed, 06 November 2019, 22:34:11
Does the knob got click action like analog sticks on a console controller?

ye

any discord servers for updates/bouncing ideas???

ye

... I hope you consider aluminum on succeeding runs.
... will be on the lookout for further iterations with alternate materials.

ye
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | PRICE DROP, NEW OFFERINGS, DISCORD SRVR.
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Thu, 07 November 2019, 00:26:47
I think it would be nice if there were some branding somewhere on the board, even if subtle or not immediately visible. Establish your brand!  My personal opinion is that it makes a difference, people pay a lot of money for labels on their clothes that no one can see also.

You mentioned that engraving will be difficult with the mirror polish, but what about something like the Keycult No. 2 stainless?  I'm not sure what method he used to put the logo on the bottom, maybe it's more practical?

Or maybe alternately (or in addition) you could offer an artisan encoder knob with your logo on it.

Edit: man, looking at the mirror finish on the Keycult No 2 stainless... It's gonna be beautiful on your board.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | PRICE DROP, NEW OFFERINGS, DISCORD SRVR.
Post by: enome on Thu, 07 November 2019, 01:17:42
my heart fluttered by the pure awe of Hailey
i need to give this girl my number
.
.
my credit card number
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | PRICE DROP, NEW OFFERINGS, DISCORD SRVR.
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 07 November 2019, 05:18:29
Do you think ISO would be an option?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | PRICE DROP, NEW OFFERINGS, DISCORD SRVR.
Post by: Robosculpts on Thu, 07 November 2019, 06:59:15
I think the PVD black bottom is an excellent choice for the bottom color. Here's hoping that color will make a comeback.

Edit: A Skeletor purple E-coat top would be hella dope. just sayin'
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | PRICE DROP, NEW OFFERINGS, DISCORD SRVR.
Post by: Banzai on Thu, 07 November 2019, 16:12:02
Ooof, I can make no guarantee I would buy it. But if you can keep the price in the $700 ballpark, I can't say for sure willpower will prevent me from owning this. I think you're building my dream board.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | PRICE DROP, NEW OFFERINGS, DISCORD SRVR.
Post by: ab042896 on Thu, 07 November 2019, 16:17:57
Do you have a rear facing render? The bottom looks nice, I'm curious to see how it looks from behind  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: CF73 on Fri, 08 November 2019, 01:51:46
can't wait for the typing sound test of the protos
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: Iksion on Fri, 08 November 2019, 13:04:28
Interested :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 08 November 2019, 13:42:03
If the idea is that that stainless steel can be polished over time to maintain the look, does it makes sense to have laser engraving on the bottom? Wouldn't that make polishing difficult in the future?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: Araex on Fri, 08 November 2019, 14:11:01
Finally someone is giving 75% the thicc bezel it deserves. Interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: PheonixStarr on Fri, 08 November 2019, 14:20:02
Wouldn't that make polishing difficult in the future?

Polishing it is kind of an afterthought, to be honest. As dumb as it sounds, I want to say "just don't scratch your board" near the engraving. It wouldn't be too hard to buff out a nick somewhere else on the piece, though.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: Kevadu on Fri, 08 November 2019, 14:57:10
If you're going with polished stainless I kind of wish that was an option for the upper piece too for that full DeLorean look.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Fri, 08 November 2019, 20:13:29
If you're going with polished stainless I kind of wish that was an option for the upper piece too for that full DeLorean look.

You can do the silver upper, I think it will look nice (see Keycult No 2 stainless steel)
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: Surefoot on Sun, 10 November 2019, 12:35:42
In for ISO version. Come on ISO gang  :)
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:24:01
In for ISO version. Come on ISO gang  :)

Yeah, I'm in the ISO gang.   Can we get our own logo and stuff :)
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | some good news, some bad news
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 11 November 2019, 19:38:22
In for ISO version. Come on ISO gang  :)

Yeah, I'm in the ISO gang.   Can we get our own logo and stuff :)

yes but no
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: d00deitsnik on Mon, 11 November 2019, 23:05:56
Is a rose-gold polished steel base still an option? Or was that idea discarded? The thought of a shiny rose-gold bottom peaking out under a black top sounds magical.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 11 November 2019, 23:49:00
Is a rose-gold polished steel base still an option? Or was that idea discarded? The thought of a shiny rose-gold bottom peaking out under a black top sounds magical.

Right?!
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: d00deitsnik on Tue, 12 November 2019, 02:24:27
Is a rose-gold polished steel base still an option? Or was that idea discarded? The thought of a shiny rose-gold bottom peaking out under a black top sounds magical.

Right?!
It's a dream board I never knew I wanted till you guys incepted me.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 12 November 2019, 03:37:20
11/11/19 — On ANSI & ISO...

Alright, so I finished the PCB. The board will support ISO (both enter and left shift). There's been a decent number of respondents on ISO options, so I will be offering a carbon fiber ISO-only plate.


Woohoo ..... ISO FTW
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:59:15
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(...) I will be offering a carbon fiber ISO-only plate.
Nice! In that case I suggest making it possible to use both big and small left shift, or just make it a universal plate. I don't think ISO users are as fussy about fixed plates, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: Gtrx on Tue, 12 November 2019, 09:06:34
have you though about including support for a split spacebar?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: Weaselpc on Tue, 12 November 2019, 09:10:56
nutty :D
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: Turkishrambo on Tue, 12 November 2019, 13:55:00
Interested in Black or White.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: Surefoot on Tue, 12 November 2019, 15:23:21
Huzzah for ISO ! :)
I'd prefer a fixed plate if that is possible, and yeah CF or brass are both very fine.
This is looking good for a daily driver :)
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: PheonixStarr on Tue, 12 November 2019, 19:51:42
have you though about including support for a split spacebar?

no
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | i put iso on it r u happy
Post by: JinTea on Wed, 13 November 2019, 23:43:45
Losing the engraving's a bummer, but definitely not a deterrent. Really looking forward to how the kagami finish turns out.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: sozo on Thu, 21 November 2019, 20:12:44
oof definitely going to try to get my hands on this one. One of the best looking boards I've seen to date
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Owl on Sat, 23 November 2019, 20:05:45
Stunning board. Love it. Sadly I wont be able to get my hands on one at that price point. Very beautiful though.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Solotov on Sat, 23 November 2019, 22:15:36
What a stunning design. Can't wait for the prototypes.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: ihalatch on Sat, 23 November 2019, 22:17:16
Wow, beautiful keyboard, but way out of reach for me :(
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: tuxkey on Wed, 27 November 2019, 16:16:08
amazing creation guys.. but way way out of my reach.. can't imagine having to pay shipping to The Netherlands then adding 11% custom fees and 21% VAT over the total that's including shipping. That would make this board well over $900..

But i can appreciate your creation and complement you  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: clik_clak on Wed, 27 November 2019, 16:37:55
Am I reading it correctly that the price is $750 for just the case, and the plate and pcb need to be purchased at an additional cost as extras? Or are you offering the extras at the additional cost?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Robosculpts on Wed, 27 November 2019, 17:52:37
Am I reading it correctly that the price is $750 for just the case, and the plate and pcb need to be purchased at an additional cost as extras? Or are you offering the extras at the additional cost?

$750 for everything. If you want an extra plate or pcb, it will cost extra.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: nodicaL on Tue, 03 December 2019, 23:42:46
This is absolutely amazing.
I would love to get this for my first custom keyboard!
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: prettydouchebag on Sat, 07 December 2019, 12:47:42
Absolutely cannot wait for this GB to start!
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: JCkingp1n on Sat, 07 December 2019, 23:06:59
anyone got a clue whether or not the rotary encoder will work on a Mac? I get that programming the knob is probably a no but what about using it after it's been set up?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: dannyny on Sun, 08 December 2019, 23:13:07
awesome board. is it 750 for the board then $30 for the plate and $55 for the pcb or will the board come with one set of plate and pcb already?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Quinella on Mon, 09 December 2019, 21:48:57
Keylace running out of ideas to steal from so i guess its time to steal some packaging/box designs too for Hailey
damn this is gonna be one big thot of a board.

https://imgur.com/a/K91Sesb


Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Kasterborous on Tue, 10 December 2019, 08:42:28
Keylace running out of ideas to steal from so i guess its time to steal some packaging/box designs too for Hailey
damn this is gonna be one big thot of a board.

https://imgur.com/a/K91Sesb


HAHAHA. At this point I'm not even surprised anymore. Looks like its time to chuck someone in the ol' blacklist
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Robosculpts on Tue, 10 December 2019, 09:00:22
Keylace running out of ideas to steal from so i guess its time to steal some packaging/box designs too for Hailey
damn this is gonna be one big thot of a board.

https://imgur.com/a/K91Sesb


HAHAHA. At this point I'm not even surprised anymore. Looks like its time to chuck someone in the ol' blacklist

I don't understand, is this keyboard design stolen?
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: dydy124 on Tue, 10 December 2019, 09:23:05
Will be following the updates! Keep it up!
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 10 December 2019, 09:23:38
Keylace running out of ideas to steal from so i guess its time to steal some packaging/box designs too for Hailey
damn this is gonna be one big thot of a board.

https://imgur.com/a/K91Sesb


HAHAHA. At this point I'm not even surprised anymore. Looks like its time to chuck someone in the ol' blacklist

I don't understand, is this keyboard design stolen?

From my understanding after reading the Cygnus GB thread, it appears that PheonixStarr was commissioned to design a PCB for Bisoromi's function row-less TKL project. Instead of doing so, PhoenixStarr never shipped the PCBs and decided to start a group buy for their own function row-less TKL project. Apparently they are trying to take orders while still having a large sum of cash frozen in their PayPal account. This is why you see various comments of people talking about stealing designs on all PheonixStarr threads. This is just an amalgamation of points brought up in the Cygnus GB page. I'm sure there are other points that I failed to bring up as well. If you'd like to know more or continue the discussion about the Cygnus then head on over to the GB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103717.50).
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Tue, 10 December 2019, 10:07:45
Keylace running out of ideas to steal from so i guess its time to steal some packaging/box designs too for Hailey
damn this is gonna be one big thot of a board.

https://imgur.com/a/K91Sesb


HAHAHA. At this point I'm not even surprised anymore. Looks like its time to chuck someone in the ol' blacklist

I don't understand, is this keyboard design stolen?

From my understanding after reading the Cygnus GB thread, it appears that PheonixStarr was commissioned to design a PCB for Bisoromi's function row-less TKL project. Instead of doing so, PhoenixStarr never shipped the PCBs and decided to start a group buy for their own function row-less TKL project. Apparently they are trying to take orders while still having a large sum of cash frozen in their PayPal account. This is why you see various comments of people talking about stealing designs on all PheonixStarr threads. This is just an amalgamation of points brought up in the Cygnus GB page. I'm sure there are other points that I failed to bring up as well. If you'd like to know more or continue the discussion about the Cygnus then head on over to the GB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103717.50).

Don't want to derail too much, but that is the accusation.

For OP's part, they have claimed that they were working on Cygnus prior to the commission and it was a coincidence. They posted an image of their Fusion renders that dates back to March.  I don't actually know the timeframe or more details for this particular issue.

The PayPal thing I wrote a post in the Cygnus GB thread that summarizes the issue. I suppose that is relevant here as well I can rehash it if desired.

Edit: sorry it was in the IC thread, here is a copy:

The $14k thing... basically what happened was that there was, not sure what to call it, maybe an unadvertised soft launch, of the website where some early orders of the Cygnus and a different board were allowed.  This was halted after a day, I believe the main reason was sales were higher than expected. It appears OP intended / expected just a couple of people to order and was not comfortable with too many orders.

Maybe a week later, the payment processing company (Square) locked and closed the account.  According to OP, the Square account was not new and was used before, however the guesses given were either the larger amount of money, or the fact that there were several international sales that may have set off red flags.  In any case, When this happens, Square locks the money for 90 days, no exceptions apparently, which would be February. OP has also stated that Square shuts off all customer service after locking the account, so there is no way to allow for refunds.

There are some Cygnus orders in there, however the vast majority of the funds are from the other board.

The payment processor was switched to a new one. OP has reported that they have discussed the business model with the new company before opening the account in the hopes to avoid the same problem.

Currently, it has been stated that previous Cygnus preorders are being honored despite not having access to funds (OP will front the cash until funds get released).

The other board is being delayed until the funds are released.

This is all according to what OP has said.  There are some risks here of course, so it's up to you to decide.

Edit #2: If it's not obvious, the "other board" is the Hailey.  If what OP says is true, then the funds will be unfrozen by the time the Hailey GB starts.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Robosculpts on Tue, 10 December 2019, 10:21:04
Keylace running out of ideas to steal from so i guess its time to steal some packaging/box designs too for Hailey
damn this is gonna be one big thot of a board.

https://imgur.com/a/K91Sesb


HAHAHA. At this point I'm not even surprised anymore. Looks like its time to chuck someone in the ol' blacklist

I don't understand, is this keyboard design stolen?

From my understanding after reading the Cygnus GB thread, it appears that PheonixStarr was commissioned to design a PCB for Bisoromi's function row-less TKL project. Instead of doing so, PhoenixStarr never shipped the PCBs and decided to start a group buy for their own function row-less TKL project. Apparently they are trying to take orders while still having a large sum of cash frozen in their PayPal account. This is why you see various comments of people talking about stealing designs on all PheonixStarr threads. This is just an amalgamation of points brought up in the Cygnus GB page. I'm sure there are other points that I failed to bring up as well. If you'd like to know more or continue the discussion about the Cygnus then head on over to the GB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103717.50).

Don't want to derail too much, but that is the accusation.

For OP's part, they have claimed that they were working on Cygnus prior to the commission and it was a coincidence. They posted an image of their Fusion renders that dates back to March.  I don't actually know the timeframe or more details for this particular issue.

The PayPal thing I wrote a post in the Cygnus GB thread that summarizes the issue. I suppose that is relevant here as well I can rehash it if desired.

Edit: sorry it was in the IC thread, here is a copy:

The $14k thing... basically what happened was that there was, not sure what to call it, maybe an unadvertised soft launch, of the website where some early orders of the Cygnus and a different board were allowed.  This was halted after a day, I believe the main reason was sales were higher than expected. It appears OP intended / expected just a couple of people to order and was not comfortable with too many orders.

Maybe a week later, the payment processing company (Square) locked and closed the account.  According to OP, the Square account was not new and was used before, however the guesses given were either the larger amount of money, or the fact that there were several international sales that may have set off red flags.  In any case, When this happens, Square locks the money for 90 days, no exceptions apparently, which would be February. OP has also stated that Square shuts off all customer service after locking the account, so there is no way to allow for refunds.

There are some Cygnus orders in there, however the vast majority of the funds are from the other board.

The payment processor was switched to a new one. OP has reported that they have discussed the business model with the new company before opening the account in the hopes to avoid the same problem.

Currently, it has been stated that previous Cygnus preorders are being honored despite not having access to funds (OP will front the cash until funds get released).

The other board is being delayed until the funds are released.

This is all according to what OP has said.  There are some risks here of course, so it's up to you to decide.

Dang. Stuff like this gets me spooked about groups buys.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 10 December 2019, 10:37:33
(https://i.imgur.com/KLUGCwE.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 10 December 2019, 11:19:36
More
Keylace running out of ideas to steal from so i guess its time to steal some packaging/box designs too for Hailey
damn this is gonna be one big thot of a board.

https://imgur.com/a/K91Sesb


HAHAHA. At this point I'm not even surprised anymore. Looks like its time to chuck someone in the ol' blacklist

I don't understand, is this keyboard design stolen?

From my understanding after reading the Cygnus GB thread, it appears that PheonixStarr was commissioned to design a PCB for Bisoromi's function row-less TKL project. Instead of doing so, PhoenixStarr never shipped the PCBs and decided to start a group buy for their own function row-less TKL project. Apparently they are trying to take orders while still having a large sum of cash frozen in their PayPal account. This is why you see various comments of people talking about stealing designs on all PheonixStarr threads. This is just an amalgamation of points brought up in the Cygnus GB page. I'm sure there are other points that I failed to bring up as well. If you'd like to know more or continue the discussion about the Cygnus then head on over to the GB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103717.50).

Don't want to derail too much, but that is the accusation.

For OP's part, they have claimed that they were working on Cygnus prior to the commission and it was a coincidence. They posted an image of their Fusion renders that dates back to March.  I don't actually know the timeframe or more details for this particular issue.

The PayPal thing I wrote a post in the Cygnus GB thread that summarizes the issue. I suppose that is relevant here as well I can rehash it if desired.

Edit: sorry it was in the IC thread, here is a copy:

The $14k thing... basically what happened was that there was, not sure what to call it, maybe an unadvertised soft launch, of the website where some early orders of the Cygnus and a different board were allowed.  This was halted after a day, I believe the main reason was sales were higher than expected. It appears OP intended / expected just a couple of people to order and was not comfortable with too many orders.

Maybe a week later, the payment processing company (Square) locked and closed the account.  According to OP, the Square account was not new and was used before, however the guesses given were either the larger amount of money, or the fact that there were several international sales that may have set off red flags.  In any case, When this happens, Square locks the money for 90 days, no exceptions apparently, which would be February. OP has also stated that Square shuts off all customer service after locking the account, so there is no way to allow for refunds.

There are some Cygnus orders in there, however the vast majority of the funds are from the other board.

The payment processor was switched to a new one. OP has reported that they have discussed the business model with the new company before opening the account in the hopes to avoid the same problem.

Currently, it has been stated that previous Cygnus preorders are being honored despite not having access to funds (OP will front the cash until funds get released).

The other board is being delayed until the funds are released.

This is all according to what OP has said.  There are some risks here of course, so it's up to you to decide.

Dang. Stuff like this gets me spooked about groups buys.

Even if all of this drama did not exist I would still be very hesitant. The GB runner is not very active in their own IC and GB threads. That alone is a red flag to me. However, don't let one rotten apple spoil the bunch for you. There is plenty of successful group buys out there. It is wise to do your due diligence before sending someone money.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75% | Final price; New renders
Post by: steezkeez on Tue, 10 December 2019, 12:16:44
The amount of drama associated with this group buy is already a giant red flag to me. I would expect more peace of mind if I'm gonna be shelling out $750. Makes me appreciate guys like Keycult way more, since they actually give a **** about their customers.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75%
Post by: Rew23 on Mon, 16 December 2019, 00:26:09
Very interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75%
Post by: Pluto19 on Mon, 16 December 2019, 02:08:33
Surprised this hasn't been linked in here yet for any of those interested.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/e9tvia/an_apology_to_all/
Title: Re: [IC] Hailey — SS 75%
Post by: yap68 on Mon, 16 December 2019, 03:02:36
Hoping for a trusted vendor to pick this up and hold a full aluminium version GB because Hailey is truly very well designed.