I appreciate that its 96 but nothing really special.Funny you mention the weight! When Dave came to me with the idea, he said, I want it nimble like the Halo 2 spectre (espectro)
Seems like it will be on the light side wrt weight, especially with the polycarbonate bottom.
How about a stainless steel or brass body? that would make it special.
I appreciate that its 96 but nothing really special.
Seems like it will be on the light side wrt weight, especially with the polycarbonate bottom.
How about a stainless steel or brass body? that would make it special.
I appreciate that its 96 but nothing really special.Funny you mention the weight! When Dave came to me with the idea, he said, I want it nimble like the Halo 2 spectre (espectro)
Seems like it will be on the light side wrt weight, especially with the polycarbonate bottom.
How about a stainless steel or brass body? that would make it special.Show Image(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100215010858/halo/images/2/2c/SpectreH2.png)
I think that it wasnt meant to be an incredibly special board, rather a unique and sleek 96 that followed the mechkeys floating RBG style with the lifted polycarb bottoms, at an affordable price for those who want a bigger board :] And of course you get some premium features like the high pro design, top mounted, switch top removal, etc.!
It's a man thing, you wouldnt understand. Didnt your parents explain the birds and the bees to you?
It's a man thing, you wouldnt understand. Didnt your parents explain the birds and the bees to you?
Not sure where the condescending tone comes from - are you implying you like to compensate for the fact your **** is small by having a big heavy keyboard? I thought people used cars for that, is this like the budget Walmart version?
I asked a perfectly warranted question but it appears you don't have a reasonable answer so best leave it at this rather than pollute the thread - keyboard looks great, you've been on a roll lately Koob. Looking forward to further developments.
It's a man thing, you wouldnt understand. Didnt your parents explain the birds and the bees to you?
Not sure where the condescending tone comes from - are you implying you like to compensate for the fact your **** is small by having a big heavy keyboard? I thought people used cars for that, is this like the budget Walmart version?
I asked a perfectly warranted question but it appears you don't have a reasonable answer so best leave it at this rather than pollute the thread - keyboard looks great, you've been on a roll lately Koob. Looking forward to further developments.
I asked a perfectly warranted question but it appears you don't have a reasonable answer so best leave it at this rather than pollute the thread - keyboard looks great, you've been on a roll lately Koob. Looking forward to further developments.Really appreciate it man<3 All these cool things are made together by all of us chiming in! The weight of a board is mostly a totally personal preferance my friend. Some want heavy, some want light. Heavier boards might feel better to type on since its a very solid piece that doesn't move to your typing, and other times some might like carrying a board around and being able to maneuver it on their desk.
Thanks for the replies!
Weight. I'm sorry, but I do not like to have a keyboard with extra weight's. My number 1 reason is access and availability of my product to as many people as possible. The weights add not only an extra expense to the board, but they also interfere with the design plans I had initially set out to fulfill. A nice solid brass weight will not only add a large cost to the manufacturing side of things, it will add a very large cost to the shipping. And as we all know the consumer pays shipping. I would prefer to have a customer pay only 20CAD to ship their board, vs 50 :D
If people want weight, maybe Koob and I can go ahead and design a SIDE B to go with this SIDE A, so that some of you can go ahead and get that nice solid base :)
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
BRO you're telling me you cant achieve the SAME objectives without making the ENTIRE BOTTOM plastic??? It's one thing to cater to the mass market but to pretend it was NOT a cost cutting decision??? Either i'm giving you too much design prowess or you're just an idiot.
Clearly you don't like it, just move along, it's not for you. There are plenty of people who do like it. Referring to polycarbonate as plastic doesn't make it a cheap material. If you have a better idea for a keyboard, perhaps you could design and manufacture it yourself.I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
BRO you're telling me you cant achieve the SAME objectives without making the ENTIRE BOTTOM plastic??? It's one thing to cater to the mass market but to pretend it was NOT a cost cutting decision??? Either i'm giving you too much design prowess or you're just an idiot.
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
BRO you're telling me you cant achieve the SAME objectives without making the ENTIRE BOTTOM plastic??? It's one thing to cater to the mass market but to pretend it was NOT a cost cutting decision??? Either i'm giving you too much design prowess or you're just an idiot.
Let me say by choosing to use a poly carbonate (which is very sturdy) to be cnc milled, as the bottom of the board isn't to just "Cut costs / Cut corners". the reason why it's poly carb (which is very sturdy) is listed in the original post :)I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
BRO you're telling me you cant achieve the SAME objectives without making the ENTIRE BOTTOM plastic??? It's one thing to cater to the mass market but to pretend it was NOT a cost cutting decision??? Either i'm giving you too much design prowess or you're just an idiot.
It is a cost cutting decision for sure. I suggest the Kira board for you, it's a high end 99 board due in 2018 maybe?
It's sad that we have 2 blatant trolls on this thread but that is the internet. Excited for this but really wish it was south facing switches which IMO is a much more important discussion than whatever the hell is going on above me.The switch leds face south, for this pcb.
Basically, strap a brick to your **** all you want- it's still 3" :)
BRO you're telling me you cant achieve the SAME objectives without making the ENTIRE BOTTOM plastic??? It's one thing to cater to the mass market but to pretend it was NOT a cost cutting decision??? Either i'm giving you too much design prowess or you're just an idiot.This board was not catered to anyone, it was something that Dave and I wanted to make, with a specific look and function. Our design conversations include words like "floating RGB". NOT a cost cutting decision. Milling and anodizing a metal bottom or having a milled polycarbonate bottom piece hardly changes costs. You wouldn't know because your design talent has never amassed anything before, so best keep your mouth shut if you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. We literally had a chuckle at how misinformed you are. You insult yourself lmfao
250 is a pretty good deal.You always know your stuff Puddsy! I think any suggestions and recommendations you make are invaluable to any project. Safe packing has been noted, ty!
Can you ensure the polycarb won't crack in shipping? Don't want exent 2.0
250 is a pretty good deal.You always know your stuff Puddsy! I think any suggestions and recommendations you make are invaluable to any project. Safe packing has been noted, ty!
Can you ensure the polycarb won't crack in shipping? Don't want exent 2.0
250 is a pretty good deal.Hey Puddsy thanks for the reply!
Can you ensure the polycarb won't crack in shipping? Don't want exent 2.0
250 is a pretty good deal.Hey Puddsy thanks for the reply!
Can you ensure the polycarb won't crack in shipping? Don't want exent 2.0
Poly carb will not crack. I tested this out by shipping Mechmini 2 with the poly carb screwed in tight, to the case. Nobody received cracked/damaged base from shipping. I think a similar method of shipping should ensure things arrive in one piece with espectro as well.
I mean, it worked for the MM2. There might be a variance in that due to the large size of the 96's poly carb. It will definitely be a bridge to cross once I'm there!250 is a pretty good deal.Hey Puddsy thanks for the reply!
Can you ensure the polycarb won't crack in shipping? Don't want exent 2.0
Poly carb will not crack. I tested this out by shipping Mechmini 2 with the poly carb screwed in tight, to the case. Nobody received cracked/damaged base from shipping. I think a similar method of shipping should ensure things arrive in one piece with espectro as well.
as far as i can tell, the issue with exent was temperature difference between the screws and the polycarb, not tightness
i'd recommend shipping it unassembled, like is planned for mech27v2
that way it can expand/contract independently
but if your method works then it's no big deal
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
BRO you're telling me you cant achieve the SAME objectives without making the ENTIRE BOTTOM plastic??? It's one thing to cater to the mass market but to pretend it was NOT a cost cutting decision??? Either i'm giving you too much design prowess or you're just an idiot.
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
BRO you're telling me you cant achieve the SAME objectives without making the ENTIRE BOTTOM plastic??? It's one thing to cater to the mass market but to pretend it was NOT a cost cutting decision??? Either i'm giving you too much design prowess or you're just an idiot.
Just saying, Polycarbonate CNC parts are not cheaper as price than Alu CNC, especially on such a thin part (bottom plate).
Often is even more expensive than Alu due the fail rate with CNC PC. So the PC is just a choice, it isn't a "cost cutting" decision, the cost will be the same if not higher with PC.
The design was clearly made to have RGB at the bottom and imho it would have looked bad with Alu at bottom (even if i like full alu keyboards for the weight).
Said that, if you don't like it just pass, there are and there will be other 96-keebs for you. But really if you are passing because you think that Polycarbonate is soft (it is not) or because you think it is cheaper (it is not), i would suggest to do just some researchs or get some CNC quotes with the 2 materials.
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
BRO you're telling me you cant achieve the SAME objectives without making the ENTIRE BOTTOM plastic??? It's one thing to cater to the mass market but to pretend it was NOT a cost cutting decision??? Either i'm giving you too much design prowess or you're just an idiot.
Just saying, Polycarbonate CNC parts are not cheaper as price than Alu CNC, especially on such a thin part (bottom plate).
Often is even more expensive than Alu due the fail rate with CNC PC. So the PC is just a choice, it isn't a "cost cutting" decision, the cost will be the same if not higher with PC.
The design was clearly made to have RGB at the bottom and imho it would have looked bad with Alu at bottom (even if i like full alu keyboards for the weight).
Said that, if you don't like it just pass, there are and there will be other 96-keebs for you. But really if you are passing because you think that Polycarbonate is soft (it is not) or because you think it is cheaper (it is not), i would suggest to do just some researchs or get some CNC quotes with the 2 materials.
You are still missing his question. You can totally make the bottom glow without making the entire bottom plastic. All you need is a difuser around the bottom edges to make it glow the way you want to. There is nothing about your design that is advantageous unless you are just planning to only use the keyboard on glass tables and always view from the bottom.
PC is not soft... until you compare it to metal.
But you are correct, raw PC is MORE expensive than raw aluminum. but I'm pretty sure the machines/bits etc to cut it are WAY WAY cheaper. regardless though, plastic isn't really cheaper until you scale up more and start doing injection molding.
I for one don't mind a plastic bottom as long as I don't have to see it. What I do care about is having a weight, or at least the potential to add a weight. For example, even if you didn't want to include a weight, you could mill holes to mount one inside the case, and then just provide feet to cover the holes if you don't use them.
To me it's just a shame that such a nice looking keyboard won't offer a color matched metal bottom. I'd probably buy both a metal and a pc bottom, but with just PC as an option, I'm juts not sure I can justify the expense.
TBH, you could alleviate most of my concerns by just making a bottom ring of aluminum to clamp the PC to the bottom so you don't see the ugly plastic along the edges. You could still make the bottom stick out deep enough that the glow works the way you want it to, as right now it looks like the PC just screws into the holes along the case edges which means you will likely see the PC and potentially even the screwheads along the edges.
Anyway, I hope it doesn't seem like I'm trying to **** on your idea. I really like the general idea of this KB, I just feel like it's so close to being something way more people would buy with minimal changes. Either way tho, good luck with your GB :D.
I'll be in if you offer a brass "Side B." Plastic is so bargain-basement.I just wanted to re-iterate bro, the ONLY point of the polycarbonate bottom piece is to elevate the board while diffusing RGB lighting and staying hidden, making the board appear like its floating. Its not done as a bargain piece. Cheers!
BRO you're telling me you cant achieve the SAME objectives without making the ENTIRE BOTTOM plastic??? It's one thing to cater to the mass market but to pretend it was NOT a cost cutting decision??? Either i'm giving you too much design prowess or you're just an idiot.
Just saying, Polycarbonate CNC parts are not cheaper as price than Alu CNC, especially on such a thin part (bottom plate).
Often is even more expensive than Alu due the fail rate with CNC PC. So the PC is just a choice, it isn't a "cost cutting" decision, the cost will be the same if not higher with PC.
The design was clearly made to have RGB at the bottom and imho it would have looked bad with Alu at bottom (even if i like full alu keyboards for the weight).
Said that, if you don't like it just pass, there are and there will be other 96-keebs for you. But really if you are passing because you think that Polycarbonate is soft (it is not) or because you think it is cheaper (it is not), i would suggest to do just some researchs or get some CNC quotes with the 2 materials.
It looks promising. All the 96 designs better come out before input club's because I don't think they will get much traction in the following months.
The entire purpose of the PC bottom is to address the issue of having an unsightly acrylic strip in the middle of the keyboard. It's ugly, and it's not aesthetically pleasing especially when the RGB is off.
The reason for the PC bottom, as stated in the original post - is to address an issue for two types of people. Those who love rgb and those who don't. If you want rgb, it's going to glow very very nicely. If you don't want RGB, turn it off...once you turn it off you don't have any dead plastic detracting from the rest of the aesthetic of the board. With rgb off, you won't even know it has it.
I am not making an acrylic layer to sandwich between two pieces of aluminum on this, and nor will I ever design any future boards to have it either.
Yep. I have a bunch of things in the works, including 65% and split 65%, whether or not they are in the same style as espectro is tbd.The entire purpose of the PC bottom is to address the issue of having an unsightly acrylic strip in the middle of the keyboard. It's ugly, and it's not aesthetically pleasing especially when the RGB is off.
The reason for the PC bottom, as stated in the original post - is to address an issue for two types of people. Those who love rgb and those who don't. If you want rgb, it's going to glow very very nicely. If you don't want RGB, turn it off...once you turn it off you don't have any dead plastic detracting from the rest of the aesthetic of the board. With rgb off, you won't even know it has it.
I am not making an acrylic layer to sandwich between two pieces of aluminum on this, and nor will I ever design any future boards to have it either.
any chance of a 65% with a similar case? i like the idea of how the underglow will be on the bottom and now sandwiched in. don't think i've seen a case like this!
Yep. I have a bunch of things in the works, including 65% and split 65%, whether or not they are in the same style as espectro is tbd.The entire purpose of the PC bottom is to address the issue of having an unsightly acrylic strip in the middle of the keyboard. It's ugly, and it's not aesthetically pleasing especially when the RGB is off.
The reason for the PC bottom, as stated in the original post - is to address an issue for two types of people. Those who love rgb and those who don't. If you want rgb, it's going to glow very very nicely. If you don't want RGB, turn it off...once you turn it off you don't have any dead plastic detracting from the rest of the aesthetic of the board. With rgb off, you won't even know it has it.
I am not making an acrylic layer to sandwich between two pieces of aluminum on this, and nor will I ever design any future boards to have it either.
any chance of a 65% with a similar case? i like the idea of how the underglow will be on the bottom and now sandwiched in. don't think i've seen a case like this!
The board looks lovely! Will there be any shots of what the RGB looks like on the prototype? Additionally, is purple the only available color or will there be other options?
Thanks! I can't wait to get it out to you all.Yep. I have a bunch of things in the works, including 65% and split 65%, whether or not they are in the same style as espectro is tbd.The entire purpose of the PC bottom is to address the issue of having an unsightly acrylic strip in the middle of the keyboard. It's ugly, and it's not aesthetically pleasing especially when the RGB is off.
The reason for the PC bottom, as stated in the original post - is to address an issue for two types of people. Those who love rgb and those who don't. If you want rgb, it's going to glow very very nicely. If you don't want RGB, turn it off...once you turn it off you don't have any dead plastic detracting from the rest of the aesthetic of the board. With rgb off, you won't even know it has it.
I am not making an acrylic layer to sandwich between two pieces of aluminum on this, and nor will I ever design any future boards to have it either.
any chance of a 65% with a similar case? i like the idea of how the underglow will be on the bottom and now sandwiched in. don't think i've seen a case like this!
sweet..can't wait to see your future visions. I think this set has a very great price point and the case is so sleek..
Absolutely agree with you - the only other keycap profile I have is GMK, which is GMK Carbon. Doesn't look too nice with purple - but I will try to make it work :)The board looks lovely! Will there be any shots of what the RGB looks like on the prototype? Additionally, is purple the only available color or will there be other options?
Yeah, some photos of the underglow and maybe even other keycaps profiles would be really nice to get a better understanding of the looks of the board!
That looks fantasticThank you!
The board looks lovely! Will there be any shots of what the RGB looks like on the prototype? Additionally, is purple the only available color or will there be other options?Absolutely. I am going to be assembling it once these new prototype outemu switches arrive - and it will be getting not only a full photoshoot treatment with/without rgb - but also the best video I can muster up.
Is this going to be a group buy or a FCFS sale? I have read both and batting it back and forth. I don't need a Numpad.. but I do want a 96 board for my collection. Choices choices! Also special if the colors are right. Perhaps could even use it for my godspeed build I am working on. I was going to do tada but kinda want something bigger now.I was going to do an initial run of 50 units only and pay for it all out of pocket to advance past a group buy - but due to the demand, and the fact that there are so many color variations available I decided it was best to do the GB route.
I'm so happy I don't have to fight with other people for a spot for this keyboard because I've been eyeing it since the first renders came out. Thank you!!Thanks! I can't wait to get it out to you all.Yep. I have a bunch of things in the works, including 65% and split 65%, whether or not they are in the same style as espectro is tbd.The entire purpose of the PC bottom is to address the issue of having an unsightly acrylic strip in the middle of the keyboard. It's ugly, and it's not aesthetically pleasing especially when the RGB is off.
The reason for the PC bottom, as stated in the original post - is to address an issue for two types of people. Those who love rgb and those who don't. If you want rgb, it's going to glow very very nicely. If you don't want RGB, turn it off...once you turn it off you don't have any dead plastic detracting from the rest of the aesthetic of the board. With rgb off, you won't even know it has it.
I am not making an acrylic layer to sandwich between two pieces of aluminum on this, and nor will I ever design any future boards to have it either.
any chance of a 65% with a similar case? i like the idea of how the underglow will be on the bottom and now sandwiched in. don't think i've seen a case like this!
sweet..can't wait to see your future visions. I think this set has a very great price point and the case is so sleek..Absolutely agree with you - the only other keycap profile I have is GMK, which is GMK Carbon. Doesn't look too nice with purple - but I will try to make it work :)The board looks lovely! Will there be any shots of what the RGB looks like on the prototype? Additionally, is purple the only available color or will there be other options?
Yeah, some photos of the underglow and maybe even other keycaps profiles would be really nice to get a better understanding of the looks of the board!That looks fantasticThank you!The board looks lovely! Will there be any shots of what the RGB looks like on the prototype? Additionally, is purple the only available color or will there be other options?Absolutely. I am going to be assembling it once these new prototype outemu switches arrive - and it will be getting not only a full photoshoot treatment with/without rgb - but also the best video I can muster up.Is this going to be a group buy or a FCFS sale? I have read both and batting it back and forth. I don't need a Numpad.. but I do want a 96 board for my collection. Choices choices! Also special if the colors are right. Perhaps could even use it for my godspeed build I am working on. I was going to do tada but kinda want something bigger now.I was going to do an initial run of 50 units only and pay for it all out of pocket to advance past a group buy - but due to the demand, and the fact that there are so many color variations available I decided it was best to do the GB route.