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tactilesbad:
--- Quote from: incrediblejr on Mon, 18 November 2024, 00:18:58 ---It's dead Jim.
CW has now closed their Shopify store, so if there was any hope that we would see replacement PCBs, it's gone.
As a last Hail Mary, I contacted CW's friend and moderator on r/mk, Cobert, to see if r/mk could facilitate discounted PCBs through their vendor connections. I was met with their usual multi-page explanation about their pet project, how it was separate from r/mk, and their redefinition of the term "machining tolerance" to suggest that not all units have the same flaw. The redefined definition could be paraphrased as: "If two parts don't fit, too little was machined out of one part; therefore, machining tolerance."
Let's not kid ourselves - the problem with GB units of CW60 having too small a JST cutout has nothing to do with gasket tolerances (which was CW's explanation, lol) or machining tolerance (the real definition). The JST cutout was off by ~20x the normal tolerances used when designing keyboards (less than 0.1-0.15mm). But being right is apparently more important than making it right, I guess-even if that entails redefining words.
There is a reason no GB units of CW60 with a correct JST cutout have surfaced, and that reason is not spelled "machining tolerance" but rather "designer incompetence".
Anyway, there's no need for me to keep this thread or continue my efforts to make it right for those of us who joined the CW60 GB alive anymore-it's dead. A relief for some, as it brings up too many uncomfortable questions, and looking back was already summarized by u/rostigast (poster of the original PSA on Reddit) a year ago. Time flies.
Ps.
As a bonus, here is Taeha Types follow-up stream, where they prove their unit did not have the same issue. We can clearly see that they faithfully recreated the videos from the original Reddit post "PSA: CruelWorld 60 has inexcusable design flaws" by showing they can't fit a credit card-thick paper between the post and the plate-gasket in the front, and the build doesn't move when they press it on the front. Never mind that they had a PC plate and that the JST is in contact with the bottom in the back portion of the keyboard, raising the BACK and thus shifting the weight towards the front. That is basic mechanics that we learned in elementary school.
The original video clearly shows the front raises when it is pressed on the back; Taeha must have just missed that. If we ignore those little details and look away when they show it in side profile (where we can see the back gasket is not in contact with the pillar), Taeha proved their unit had a correct JST cutout. Remember, like and subscribe for more hot keyboard takes.
Ds.
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called his simps out back then and seems like I was right all along. how could anyone think an absolute nobody with zero track record could manage a 1000 unit GB for a "high end" dds board all by himself was beyond me, but then the names hyping it shouldve been a dead giveaway to what kind of operation it was. the amount of face some people is ready to lose for a free board lmfao
and this jst cutout fiasco is just the tip of the iceberg, let's not forget the multiple delays with zero believable explanation, the polished toblerones popping out of thin air for extras only, the the constant bullying on discord echo chamber, the sussy push for new GBs during the fulfillment of this trainwreck, the server going ping only a few days before **** hit the fan and so on.
at least he's not going to scam any more people.
honoka:
hear hear.
Rob27shred:
--- Quote from: tactilesbad on Fri, 13 December 2024, 05:42:39 ---
--- Quote from: incrediblejr on Mon, 18 November 2024, 00:18:58 ---It's dead Jim.
CW has now closed their Shopify store, so if there was any hope that we would see replacement PCBs, it's gone.
As a last Hail Mary, I contacted CW's friend and moderator on r/mk, Cobert, to see if r/mk could facilitate discounted PCBs through their vendor connections. I was met with their usual multi-page explanation about their pet project, how it was separate from r/mk, and their redefinition of the term "machining tolerance" to suggest that not all units have the same flaw. The redefined definition could be paraphrased as: "If two parts don't fit, too little was machined out of one part; therefore, machining tolerance."
Let's not kid ourselves - the problem with GB units of CW60 having too small a JST cutout has nothing to do with gasket tolerances (which was CW's explanation, lol) or machining tolerance (the real definition). The JST cutout was off by ~20x the normal tolerances used when designing keyboards (less than 0.1-0.15mm). But being right is apparently more important than making it right, I guess-even if that entails redefining words.
There is a reason no GB units of CW60 with a correct JST cutout have surfaced, and that reason is not spelled "machining tolerance" but rather "designer incompetence".
Anyway, there's no need for me to keep this thread or continue my efforts to make it right for those of us who joined the CW60 GB alive anymore-it's dead. A relief for some, as it brings up too many uncomfortable questions, and looking back was already summarized by u/rostigast (poster of the original PSA on Reddit) a year ago. Time flies.
Ps.
As a bonus, here is Taeha Types follow-up stream, where they prove their unit did not have the same issue. We can clearly see that they faithfully recreated the videos from the original Reddit post "PSA: CruelWorld 60 has inexcusable design flaws" by showing they can't fit a credit card-thick paper between the post and the plate-gasket in the front, and the build doesn't move when they press it on the front. Never mind that they had a PC plate and that the JST is in contact with the bottom in the back portion of the keyboard, raising the BACK and thus shifting the weight towards the front. That is basic mechanics that we learned in elementary school.
The original video clearly shows the front raises when it is pressed on the back; Taeha must have just missed that. If we ignore those little details and look away when they show it in side profile (where we can see the back gasket is not in contact with the pillar), Taeha proved their unit had a correct JST cutout. Remember, like and subscribe for more hot keyboard takes.
Ds.
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called his simps out back then and seems like I was right all along. how could anyone think an absolute nobody with zero track record could manage a 1000 unit GB for a "high end" dds board all by himself was beyond me, but then the names hyping it shouldve been a dead giveaway to what kind of operation it was. the amount of face some people is ready to lose for a free board lmfao
and this jst cutout fiasco is just the tip of the iceberg, let's not forget the multiple delays with zero believable explanation, the polished toblerones popping out of thin air for extras only, the the constant bullying on discord echo chamber, the sussy push for new GBs during the fulfillment of this trainwreck, the server going ping only a few days before **** hit the fan and so on.
at least he's not going to scam any more people.
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A damn shame. I just don't get why someone would be such an asshat with our community, when it's been proven time & time again if you are just honest & transparent about what's going on the community is very forgiving & willing to work with someone to make **** right. Oh well like you said at least he's exposed now as incompetent & won't easily be able to rip the community off again.
GMKClassicRed:
I saw on various Discords that cruel world was selling $130 CW8X on their web site?
https://www.cruelworld.wtf/products/cw88
OOS now. Wonder what that's about.
tactilesbad:
--- Quote from: GMKClassicRed on Fri, 17 January 2025, 00:03:00 ---I saw on various Discords that cruel world was selling $130 CW8X on their web site?
https://www.cruelworld.wtf/products/cw88
OOS now. Wonder what that's about.
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it seems to be legit, some people received their units already
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