[IC] GMK Space Cadet, launches August 3rd 2018 on Massdrop

[Remsky]

Red Space Cadet with Israeli legends when

Red Cadet sounds pretty damn cool tbh

Dont give him more ideas monkaS
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Agreed. Alright bois MD buy is canceled, I'll be working with 7bit to bring this to life as Round 8 using ALGOL colors. Colors will be grey, red, green, blue, violett on cream, plus cream on grey, red, green, blue, violett.

Kits will be added to his website soon http://7bit.info/algol/index.html#icons

See you in 2026

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This should be a thing.

[Wilba]

[amnesia0287]

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yes plz

[jihadu]

Me wantz

[MajorKoos]

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My word that's nice. 
Please make this happen.

[amnesia0287]

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Red Cadet got me like

[donutcat]

Lemme say, I was already planning on committing for the blue alphas, but monotone red would just suck even more money out of my wallet.

[romevi]

Shouldn't it be "Kadet" for the red version?

[Oblotzky]

Shouldn't it be "Kadet" for the red version?

Zambumon proposed GMK Spain Cadet

BTW I finished up a lot of changes yesterday. I will be sending these kits to GMK today and bug Yanbo to calculate drop pricing so I know where we are at. I'm hesitant to post one of the new kits here in fears of it being too expensive and me having to backpaddel, so I'd rather make sure it's viable before people fall in love with it. Christoph is out of the office until June 4th tho so it will be a bit, hoping to have a big update in a few weeks with collabs and hopefully a launch window.

[romevi]

Excited.

And I hope my card now works on Massdrop's site. 

[Windeh]

Really looking forward to joining this as my first GMK set! 

[Pwner]

I'm hesitant to post one of the new kits here in fears of it being too expensive and me having to backpaddel, so I'd rather make sure it's viable before people fall in love with it.

Why stop now?  You've done it once already. 

[romevi]

Really looking forward to joining this as my first GMK set! 

And what a first set it will be!

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I'd tap that with the force of a thousand suns

[Remsky]

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I'd tap that with the force of a thousand suns

I'd splurge that with the power of a million supernovas.

[dallman5]

Shouldn't it be "Kadet" for the red version?

Cyrillic alphas + lisp sublegends plz

[dallman5]

Shouldn't it be "Kadet" for the red version?

Cyrillic alphas + lisp sublegends plz

[goodman247]

Voted, hope this really happens!! Crossing my fingers for it!!

[zslane]

What are “Lisp legends”?

[romevi]

What are “Lisp legends”?

Moses, Mike Tyson, Drew Barrymore, Barbara Walters, et al.

[Giorgio]

Hey! Your profile picture is my profile picture! 

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[amnesia0287]

Hey! Your profile picture is my profile picture! 

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No, mine is the same as wilbas.

[long_qt_pie]

What are “Lisp legends”?

Moses, Mike Tyson, Drew Barrymore, Barbara Walters, et al.

I laughed too hard at this

[Giorgio]

Hey! Your profile picture is my profile picture! 

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No, mine is the same as wilbas.

Not literally. Same subject.

[Oblotzky]

Hey guys. Just wanted to post a little update that things are going smoothly so far. I've contacted GMK with the revision of kits and pricing is being worked out. Once they are deemed viable I'll update them here.

In the meantime, please enjoy the updated APL legends (arrows, sublegends of I P and CVBNM), props to t0mb3ry for his work!

Please discuss them and let me know if you feel anything is wrong! I currently consider them soft-locked.

Keyboard is the Noxary 280 in Blue Gray by Xondat

[ihalatch]

Looks fantastic. Can't wait to jin the GB.

[MrTq]

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Yes, Red Cadet please that's my dream 

[nu_types]

This is just a nitpick, but the secondary legends on other keys look out of place now because the thickness doesn't match the updated APL legends. For example the '≥' looks giant compared to the ','

[romevi]

I actually thought they looked pretty big as well. Wonder if it's possible to decrease their size a wee bit, but probably not by this point.

[darthzero]

Are those mods yours then (like I got told about micons) or are they free to use by future gb runners? 
Edit: corrected autocorrect

[Blaise170]

Looks good, but I'm not sure I agree with text arrow keys. 

[mudcakehoney]

Looks good, but I'm not sure I agree with text arrow keys. 

agreed, doesn’t really fit with the style

[romevi]

Looks good, but I'm not sure I agree with text arrow keys. 

agreed, doesn’t really fit with the style

It fits exactly with the style. The rest of the mods are text, but arrows are included as well.

[Oblotzky]

There's a solution for the arrows in the new kits. Please hold out till I update those. For now, I'd like to focus the discussion on the APL legends Thanks

This is just a nitpick, but the secondary legends on other keys look out of place now because the thickness doesn't match the updated APL legends. For example the '≥' looks giant compared to the ','

I see what you mean, however I don't see a way to get around that. Making ≥ and such thinner would require the same to be done with all other sublegends, and I don't see that looking good. I see the APL characters as a different group of legends, so personally I am not bothered as it distinguishes them from the other keys surrounding the alphabetic one.

Are those moods yours then (like I got told about microns) or are they free to use by future gb runners?

This is definitely a question I'd like to be able to answer. I'll find out what we can do

[Blaise170]

Well if you really want to talk about it fitting the theme, the original space cadet was also not text based.

[Oblotzky]

Well if you really want to talk about it fitting the theme, the original space cadet was also not text based.

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Are you referring to the hand signals? They are available via the Symbols kit. All blue mods in that picture are text, hence me doing them as text in the base kit as well.

[romevi]

That's what I meant as well: the base kit is text-based, but the arrows (hands) are included in a child kit.

[kmba]

Can we expect this to kick off after canvas? Or further down the road.

[zslane]

The "hand" keys were not arrow/navigation keys on the original Space Cadet keyboard. There is no reason to treat them as such on a modern keyboard on that basis. In fact, the original Space Cadet keyboard did not have a navcluster at all.

I agree that the "APL" legends are too big, after all they were small sub-legends on the original, not equal-size to the alpha legends. But its Oblotzky's design and he's probably mimicing the numerous other Cherry-style keycaps out there that have alternative secondary legends in the corners of the alpha keys (and those tend to be the same size as the main legends).

[LeoShi]

Red cadet looks so good

[ELLIOTTCABLE]

I'm new around here, so my input may be insta-ditch, but some thoughts:

1. Vimcaps are super-popular, right? I understand that it's not quiiiite “true to the original board”, but what about moving the double-arrow on L to G, and then arranging the arrows on HJKL, vim-style? Saves quite a few of us an extra group-buy, later — and shouldn't bother the non-vimmers, 'cause it's not like the legends are meaningful to anyone else! ('cept the two APL users reading this thread …

2. Personally? I'd instantly pay $80 for the Colevrak set, if there were only like ten other people who'd be interested in it. Hell — I'd drop a couple hundred, paying for a few of those moulds myself. It's really hard to find sculpted caps with Colevrak support; and Space Cadet is a lot of developer-keeb-nerds' #1 endgame. This leaves people like me having to choose between … A. a non-sculpted layout, … B. keycaps that disagree with the actual layout (fine for us touch-typers, but sucks for pairing / family who want to use your machine), … or C. using whichever of the two(?) colorways that *do* have sculpted Colemak caps floating around out there you hate less.

Maybe I don't understand how MOQs work … but why not just offer it at a higher price, for us needy niche nerds, if you're worried too few people will be interested? 

[Oblotzky]

I'm new around here, so my input may be insta-ditch, but some thoughts:

1. Vimcaps are super-popular, right? I understand that it's not quiiiite “true to the original board”, but what about moving the double-arrow on L to G, and then arranging the arrows on HJKL, vim-style? Saves quite a few of us an extra group-buy, later — and shouldn't bother the non-vimmers, 'cause it's not like the legends are meaningful to anyone else! ('cept the two APL users reading this thread …

2. Personally? I'd instantly pay $80 for the Colevrak set, if there were only like ten other people who'd be interested in it. Hell — I'd drop a couple hundred, paying for a few of those moulds myself. It's really hard to find sculpted caps with Colevrak support; and Space Cadet is a lot of developer-keeb-nerds' #1 endgame. This leaves people like me having to choose between … A. a non-sculpted layout, … B. keycaps that disagree with the actual layout (fine for us touch-typers, but sucks for pairing / family who want to use your machine), … or C. using whichever of the two(?) colorways that *do* have sculpted Colemak caps floating around out there you hate less.

Maybe I don't understand how MOQs work … but why not just offer it at a higher price, for us needy niche nerds, if you're worried too few people will be interested? 

1. As far as I can tell, VIM caps aren't THAT popular. Sure they sell here and there, but they are never a game changer. Staying true to the original APL legends is more important IMO, and there was not much support for this idea when it was suggested before already.

2. MOQ is 100 units for a Colevrak kit, even GMK Laser with 2100 base kits only sold 63 of them at 43$. Granted the Kobe alphas probably stole a handful of potential customers but still.

[Giorgio]

I'm new around here, so my input may be insta-ditch, but some thoughts:

1. Vimcaps are super-popular, right? I understand that it's not quiiiite “true to the original board”, but what about moving the double-arrow on L to G, and then arranging the arrows on HJKL, vim-style? Saves quite a few of us an extra group-buy, later — and shouldn't bother the non-vimmers, 'cause it's not like the legends are meaningful to anyone else! ('cept the two APL users reading this thread …

2. Personally? I'd instantly pay $80 for the Colevrak set, if there were only like ten other people who'd be interested in it. Hell — I'd drop a couple hundred, paying for a few of those moulds myself. It's really hard to find sculpted caps with Colevrak support; and Space Cadet is a lot of developer-keeb-nerds' #1 endgame. This leaves people like me having to choose between … A. a non-sculpted layout, … B. keycaps that disagree with the actual layout (fine for us touch-typers, but sucks for pairing / family who want to use your machine), … or C. using whichever of the two(?) colorways that *do* have sculpted Colemak caps floating around out there you hate less.

Maybe I don't understand how MOQs work … but why not just offer it at a higher price, for us needy niche nerds, if you're worried too few people will be interested? 

1. As far as I can tell, VIM caps aren't THAT popular. Sure they sell here and there, but they are never a game changer. Staying true to the original APL legends is more important IMO, and there was not much support for this idea when it was suggested before already.

2. MOQ is 100 units for a Colevrak kit, even GMK Laser with 2100 base kits only sold 63 of them at 43$. Granted the Kobe alphas probably stole a handful of potential customers but still.

I had already asked for vim caps, which is quite logical, since having a keyboard with arrows that are usable in some contexts is more brilliant than having a filological correct keyboard.
Anyway this keyset is full of symbols that 99% of people doesn't recognize so there's that.
A vim addon shouldn't be that expensive, if someone decides to buy more than one kit.

1) You could "fool" gmk into thinking that those keys are part of the main set, this way the GB leader will only pay 3 usd for the 5 or  6 keys needed (you need to replace duplicates).

2) Then the GB leader removes the separately packaged keys from each main set, and he can sell the keys as an addon.

3) Profit.

[Oblotzky]

I'm new around here, so my input may be insta-ditch, but some thoughts:

1. Vimcaps are super-popular, right? I understand that it's not quiiiite “true to the original board”, but what about moving the double-arrow on L to G, and then arranging the arrows on HJKL, vim-style? Saves quite a few of us an extra group-buy, later — and shouldn't bother the non-vimmers, 'cause it's not like the legends are meaningful to anyone else! ('cept the two APL users reading this thread …

2. Personally? I'd instantly pay $80 for the Colevrak set, if there were only like ten other people who'd be interested in it. Hell — I'd drop a couple hundred, paying for a few of those moulds myself. It's really hard to find sculpted caps with Colevrak support; and Space Cadet is a lot of developer-keeb-nerds' #1 endgame. This leaves people like me having to choose between … A. a non-sculpted layout, … B. keycaps that disagree with the actual layout (fine for us touch-typers, but sucks for pairing / family who want to use your machine), … or C. using whichever of the two(?) colorways that *do* have sculpted Colemak caps floating around out there you hate less.

Maybe I don't understand how MOQs work … but why not just offer it at a higher price, for us needy niche nerds, if you're worried too few people will be interested? 

1. As far as I can tell, VIM caps aren't THAT popular. Sure they sell here and there, but they are never a game changer. Staying true to the original APL legends is more important IMO, and there was not much support for this idea when it was suggested before already.

2. MOQ is 100 units for a Colevrak kit, even GMK Laser with 2100 base kits only sold 63 of them at 43$. Granted the Kobe alphas probably stole a handful of potential customers but still.

I had already asked for vim caps, which is quite logical, since having a keyboard with arrows that are usable in some contexts is more brilliant than having a filological correct keyboard.
Anyway this keyset is full of symbols that 99% of people doesn't recognize so there's that.
A vim addon shouldn't be that expensive, if someone decides to buy more than one kit.

1) You could "fool" gmk into thinking that those keys are part of the main set, this way the GB leader will only pay 3 usd for the 5 or  6 keys needed (you need to replace duplicates).

2) Then the GB leader removes the separately packaged keys from each main set, and he can sell the keys as an addon.

3) Profit.

I can't even be bothered to type how that doesn't even make sense.

And no, despite the fact that yes most people wouldn't care about the arrows, there are certainly more people that want correct APL legends than there are fans of VIM.

[shower_king]

hi, which stage are we at now?
exact space cadet now or any chance change to red cadet?
The scheduled GB time is July ,first on MD as you have mentioned ? 

[Oblotzky]

hi, which stage are we at now?
exact space cadet now or any chance change to red cadet?
The scheduled GB time is July ,first on MD as you have mentioned ? 

Only the gray&blue Space Cadet will be offered in the upcoming Massdrop sale, Red Cadet I will look into making happen once the first one has shipped. July was an estimate when I opened this IC, but we are looking good for a launch in Q3 of this year.

[Giorgio]

I'm new around here, so my input may be insta-ditch, but some thoughts:

1. Vimcaps are super-popular, right? I understand that it's not quiiiite “true to the original board”, but what about moving the double-arrow on L to G, and then arranging the arrows on HJKL, vim-style? Saves quite a few of us an extra group-buy, later — and shouldn't bother the non-vimmers, 'cause it's not like the legends are meaningful to anyone else! ('cept the two APL users reading this thread …

2. Personally? I'd instantly pay $80 for the Colevrak set, if there were only like ten other people who'd be interested in it. Hell — I'd drop a couple hundred, paying for a few of those moulds myself. It's really hard to find sculpted caps with Colevrak support; and Space Cadet is a lot of developer-keeb-nerds' #1 endgame. This leaves people like me having to choose between … A. a non-sculpted layout, … B. keycaps that disagree with the actual layout (fine for us touch-typers, but sucks for pairing / family who want to use your machine), … or C. using whichever of the two(?) colorways that *do* have sculpted Colemak caps floating around out there you hate less.

Maybe I don't understand how MOQs work … but why not just offer it at a higher price, for us needy niche nerds, if you're worried too few people will be interested? 

1. As far as I can tell, VIM caps aren't THAT popular. Sure they sell here and there, but they are never a game changer. Staying true to the original APL legends is more important IMO, and there was not much support for this idea when it was suggested before already.

2. MOQ is 100 units for a Colevrak kit, even GMK Laser with 2100 base kits only sold 63 of them at 43$. Granted the Kobe alphas probably stole a handful of potential customers but still.

I had already asked for vim caps, which is quite logical, since having a keyboard with arrows that are usable in some contexts is more brilliant than having a filological correct keyboard.
Anyway this keyset is full of symbols that 99% of people doesn't recognize so there's that.
A vim addon shouldn't be that expensive, if someone decides to buy more than one kit.

1) You could "fool" gmk into thinking that those keys are part of the main set, this way the GB leader will only pay 3 usd for the 5 or  6 keys needed (you need to replace duplicates).

2) Then the GB leader removes the separately packaged keys from each main set, and he can sell the keys as an addon.

3) Profit.

I can't even be bothered to type how that doesn't even make sense.

And no, despite the fact that yes most people wouldn't care about the arrows, there are certainly more people that want correct APL legends than there are fans of VIM.

LOL, thanks anyway  )

[Kevadu]

I can't even be bothered to type how that doesn't even make sense.

And no, despite the fact that yes most people wouldn't care about the arrows, there are certainly more people that want correct APL legends than there are fans of VIM.

Whoa there, there are lots of vim users out there.  But actual vim users don't need special keycaps to know where the cursor keys are...

(That aside I still don't know why people call them vim keycaps, it should really be vi keycaps.  There is nothing vim-specific about it, and if anything vim users are more likely to be using standard arrow keys.  Old versions of vi didn't even support arrow keys and you had to hjkl.  Yet we call them vim keys for some reason?  It's weird...)

[romevi]

I can't even be bothered to type how that doesn't even make sense.

And no, despite the fact that yes most people wouldn't care about the arrows, there are certainly more people that want correct APL legends than there are fans of VIM.

Whoa there, there are lots of vim users out there.  But actual vim users don't need special keycaps to know where the cursor keys are...

(That aside I still don't know why people call them vim keycaps, it should really be vi keycaps.  There is nothing vim-specific about it, and if anything vim users are more likely to be using standard arrow keys.  Old versions of vi didn't even support arrow keys and you had to hjkl.  Yet we call them vim keys for some reason?  It's weird...)

I could be wrong, but the guy who originally started producing the Vim caps calls them that: https://vimcaps.com/.
Ever since, they've been called Vim key/caps.

Also, why would Vim users use standard arrow keys? I thought Vim was just Vi improved--no more, no less.

[Oblotzky]

I can't even be bothered to type how that doesn't even make sense.

And no, despite the fact that yes most people wouldn't care about the arrows, there are certainly more people that want correct APL legends than there are fans of VIM.

Whoa there, there are lots of vim users out there.

I never said anything disputing this, what I said is that I believe [Amount of people wanting correct APL legends on Space Cadet] > [Amount of people wanting vi(m) legends on Space Cadet]