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Title: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 15 October 2012, 19:54:42
We had a lot of information in the last RGBY interest check. I'm going to try and consolidate everything from memory that we mentioned and see if we can get everything that we want. Since the other interest check was up for a decent amount of time I'm hoping to keep this one to maybe a week or less.
Here are the bullet points that I think we wanted:

Click here to see some of the questionnaire answers (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhVZlUw_q9cZdHR0dnJ4UjI4anYxdkFVU3V6bjE4VHc)

Colors
Red - RA
Green - VCM
Blue - BDH
Yellow - YBP
Orange - ?

black text - NN
white text - WFK

Possible modifiers:
Lavender - ?
Pink - ? (RCR or RCS)
Teal - ?

The potential sets:

1.25 Set   
2x1.25 ctrl
2x1.25 alt
2x1.25 Window
1x1.25 menu
1x2.75 right shift
1x2.25 left shift
esc 1x

1.5 set   
2x1.5 ctrl
2x1.5 alt
2x1 win
1x2.75 right shift
1x2.25 left shift
exc 1x

Pure Set   
1.75 right shift
1 modifier key (Same color as the 1.75 right shift)

Iso set
Just one 1.25x left shift key

Number Crunching:

1.25 Set   
25       $47.71
50       $28.12
75       $21.58
100     $18.31
150     $15.01
200     $13.41
250     $12.27
500     $10.27
750     $9.67
1000   $9.30

1.25 Set w/Pure   
25    $56.76
50    $33.26
75    $25.40
100    $21.48
150    $17.52
200    $15.60
250    $14.12
500    $11.72
750    $11.00
1000    $10.56

1.25 Set w/Pure and ISO   
25    $61.43
50    $35.97
75    $27.46
100    $23.21
150    $18.92
200    $16.84
250    $15.26
500    $12.66
750    $11.88
1000    $11.41

1.5 Set   
25    $42.46
50    $24.85
75    $18.92
100    $16.00
150    $13.03
200    $11.59
250    $10.27
500    $8.47
750    $7.93
1000    $7.57

1.5 Set w/Pure   
25    $51.51
50    $29.99
75    $22.74
100    $19.17
150    $15.54
200    $13.78
250    $12.12
500    $9.92
750    $9.26
1000    $8.83

1.5 Set w/Pure and ISO   
25    $56.18
50    $32.70
75   24.8
100    $20.90
150    $16.94
200    $15.02
250    $13.26
500    $10.86
750    $10.14
1000    $9.68

1x size key a la cart price
25    $4.38
50    $2.43
75    $1.76
100    $1.44
150    $1.11
200    $0.95
250    $0.71
500    $0.51
750    $0.45
1000   $0.41

1.25, 1.5, and 1.75 size key a la cart price
25   $4.67
50   $2.71
75   $2.06
100   $1.73
150   $1.4
200   $1.24
250   $1.14
500   $0.94
750   $0.88
1000 $0.85

2.25 and 2.75 size a la cart price
25    $5.32
50    $3.36
75    $2.70
100    $2.38
150    $2.05
200    $1.89
250    $1.79
500    $1.59
750    $1.53
1000  $1.47
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO kit
Post by: SmallFry on Mon, 15 October 2012, 20:02:56
Thanks dude! I'll help however I can!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO kit
Post by: SmallFry on Mon, 15 October 2012, 20:03:33
Here's a post for me to elaborate in the future.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO kit
Post by: MMB on Mon, 15 October 2012, 20:07:12
Dyesub or DoubleShot?
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO kit
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 15 October 2012, 20:08:16
Dyesub or DoubleShot?
Sorry double shot was in the last interest check, knew I would forget some simple detail, will update the OP.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 15 October 2012, 20:23:11
What are the standard sizes for the following keys:
left ansi shift
right ansi shift
left iso shift
right iso shift
I think left ansi shift is 2.25x size and right ansi is 2.75x size.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: inlikeflynn on Mon, 15 October 2012, 20:55:04
I think left ansi shift is 2.25x size and right ansi is 2.75x size.

correct
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 15 October 2012, 22:17:19
ANSI is 2.25 and 2.75. ISO is 1.25 and 2.75. The short right shift from the G80-1800 is 1.75.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: kinruan on Tue, 16 October 2012, 13:33:19
waiting for great rgbyo !
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 16 October 2012, 15:19:24
I vote for a star key, the more I thought about it, the more I liked the star key better.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 16 October 2012, 17:33:20
I vote for a star key, the more I thought about it, the more I liked the star key better.
I like that idea too. We can put it to a vote, or just have both a la carte if we want.

Also at the moment I'm waiting on some pricing from SP.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 16 October 2012, 18:42:26
We should hop on the IRC to discuss my visions for the kit as well. Shoot me a PM if you want to chat via IRC
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: chaosstep on Tue, 16 October 2012, 22:29:13
I'm interested in!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: cgbuen on Wed, 17 October 2012, 00:54:36
Interested! The individuals part sounds great!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: i488 on Wed, 17 October 2012, 01:14:00
im interested. havent seen any iso rgby kits ;D
and i want the white fonts for both kits
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: nolliepoper on Wed, 17 October 2012, 01:35:46
Interested in RGBYO plus Esc double shot kit.
Prefer diamond over star.
Title: AW: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: mbc on Wed, 17 October 2012, 01:53:19
Sorry, but the way you want to do this gb is a really bad idea.
-too many options -> low quantities -> high prices....
-selling individual keys -> too much trouble

Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 17 October 2012, 03:33:23
Sorry, but the way you want to do this gb is a really bad idea.
-too many options -> low quantities -> high prices....
-selling individual keys -> too much trouble
Nothing is in stone yet, still an interest check, still accepting constructive feedback. Might only have some extra left shifts and that would be the only a la carte keys besides escapes.

Keep the ideas flowing.
Title: AW: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: mbc on Wed, 17 October 2012, 04:16:17
The iso left shift are cheap just add them to all the sets. Same with the escape keys
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: eon on Wed, 17 October 2012, 05:26:24
Maybe we can keep things simple and propose only 2 sets:

1.25 set:
- 2x1.25 ctrl
- 2x1.25 alt
- 2x1.25 win
- 1x1.25 menu
- 1x2.75 right shift
- 1x1.75 short right shift
- 1x2.25 left shift
- 1x1.25 left ISO shift
- 1 red esc

1.5 set:
- 2x1.5 ctrl
- 2x1.5 alt
- 2x1.0 win
- 1x2.75 right shift
- 1x2.25 left shift
- 1x1.75 short right shift
- 1 red esc

EDIT: 1x1.75 added to the 1.5 set
Title: AW: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: mbc on Wed, 17 October 2012, 05:37:37
The winkeyless set misses the 1.75 shift
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: Kensy on Wed, 17 October 2012, 08:52:10
Interested !
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: MadScientist46 on Wed, 17 October 2012, 09:00:26
This sounds like a great idea!
Interested in a 1.25 Set. Also I'm interested in 1x extra 1.75 short Shift and 1-2x  2.25 left Shifts, if those are available.
All would be with white lettering.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: singaporean123 on Wed, 17 October 2012, 10:42:11
interested please take my money
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: 1391401 on Wed, 17 October 2012, 13:07:01
I missed the last couple rounds of this so I'm in for some RGBYO goodness
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: modulor on Wed, 17 October 2012, 13:36:31
Perhaps have 2 full kit versions like eon proposed (1.25x and 1.5x), but also have either an add-on kit that contains the extra keys that are new to this round (like the menu key and a 'Pure' adapter with 1.75x Left Shift and 1x key ) or have those available individually?  That way, those that already have current kits can add those on.  Just a suggestion :)  Either way, looking forward to this next round!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: phetto on Wed, 17 October 2012, 13:51:37
Interested in normal kits aswell as iso.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: eon on Wed, 17 October 2012, 14:04:14
Perhaps have 2 full kit versions like eon proposed (1.25x and 1.5x), but also have either an add-on kit that contains the extra keys that are new to this round (like the menu key and a 'Pure' adapter with 1.75x Left Shift and 1x key ) or have those available individually?

Well in my suggestion the 1.75x right shift is in the set as well as the menu key. I believe the left shift on pure is standard right ? We could add a 1x green key for pure in the 1.25 set too I guess.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: MadScientist46 on Wed, 17 October 2012, 14:26:52
Perhaps have 2 full kit versions like eon proposed (1.25x and 1.5x), but also have either an add-on kit that contains the extra keys that are new to this round (like the menu key and a 'Pure' adapter with 1.75x Left Shift and 1x key ) or have those available individually?
We could add a 1x green key for pure in the 1.25 set too I guess.

I totally forget to mention that, I'd like that very much, too.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: xavierblak on Wed, 17 October 2012, 14:51:43
Definitely interested in a 1.25 set.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: sirtetris on Wed, 17 October 2012, 14:59:44
most likeley interested in a 1.25 set
diamon > star
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 17 October 2012, 15:04:49
The Red Esc keys were shot down by Hashbaz earlier. Sorry guys, just conveying info from the last IC.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [now with questionnaire]
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 17 October 2012, 16:22:55
Added a questionnaire, please try and fill it out.

The Red Esc keys were shot down by Hashbaz earlier. Sorry guys, just conveying info from the last IC.
We can still use cherry font for a plain "Esc" escape key.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [now with questionnaire]
Post by: Slavfot on Wed, 17 October 2012, 18:18:41
I'm very interested in a full kit with iso shift and an extra 2.25 shift :)
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [now with questionnaire]
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 17 October 2012, 22:11:49
Out of ten surveys so far (nice easy number to work with) 70% want the exact same RGBY colors from previous kits
60% are ok with having the pure compatibility kit included
70% want to be able to purchase some keys a la carte (which would actually make sets cheaper by the way if say left shift keys hit the next price tier)
60% don't want the iso key in the set by default
70% do want the option for another color besides orange available a la carte (7 people like the idea of purple, 3 pink some of the same from purple obviously, and one suggestion for teal/turquoise)
80% want 1x keys included with the 1.5 modifier set
60% want star for the 1x keys
shift and control are most popular for a la carte option at the moment, some requests for escape keys one recommendation for menu key options
60% people want diamonds for windows/menu and the rest is mixed opinions some with multiple options

So discuss and lets get more questionnaires filled out so we can have a more accurate representation of what people want.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [now with questionnaire]
Post by: chaosstep on Wed, 17 October 2012, 23:54:02
Maybe we can keep things simple and propose only 2 sets:

1.25 set:
- 2x1.25 ctrl
- 2x1.25 alt
- 2x1.25 win
- 1x1.25 menu
- 1x2.75 right shift
- 1x1.75 short right shift
- 1x2.25 left shift
- 1x1.25 left ISO shift
- 1 red esc

1.5 set:
- 2x1.5 ctrl
- 2x1.5 alt
- 2x1.0 win
- 1x2.75 right shift
- 1x2.25 left shift
- 1x1.75 short right shift
- 1 red esc

EDIT: 1x1.75 added to the 1.5 set

I vote to this.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [now with questionnaire]
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 18 October 2012, 18:37:37
So we can use Shift, control, and alt cherry font keys but we can't use cherry text "esc" or "Esc" on the escape key, or the graphics of cherries either. Do we just want a blank red key, or what on there? I was thinking of paying the new legend fee out of pocket and having a key that says:
"  no
escape"

How does everyone feel? What do you want for this set? If you are upset then take it up with the people in charge of the cherry legends, not all of them are opposed to allowing us to have a cherry escape key though. I'm also trying to see if hashbaz will sell us his extra escape keys to just include in this set. Those escape keys would not be group buy prices because they are supposed to fund the cherry legend project.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [now with questionnaire]
Post by: strafe on Thu, 18 October 2012, 19:58:46
I think the Escape key font should match the other keys.  What is the reason for not being able to use the Cherry font?

Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [now with questionnaire]
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 18 October 2012, 20:36:57
I think the Escape key font should match the other keys.  What is the reason for not being able to use the Cherry font?
No permission from those in charge of the cherry font
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [now with questionnaire]
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 18 October 2012, 20:46:14
Gotta say, after seeing that questionnaire, I'm pretty excited about this now.  All the options!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: chaosstep on Thu, 18 October 2012, 21:14:03
submitted.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 18 October 2012, 23:32:34
It is looking promising that we will use the cherry escape keys hashbaz has and the proceeds from those keys will go to the cherry replica fund. I'm in the process of seeing how many keys he has, and how much they will be to figure out how much each set will change. This may also give people options as to what escape key they want in their set, and extras should be available if the sales of sets does not use them all up.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 October 2012, 23:44:02
I'm sure this buy will finish off the extra escape keys I have, and then some.  My main concern was that nobody would buy the keys that benefit the replica fund if the same exact key is available here for less.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: demik on Thu, 18 October 2012, 23:47:13
most likeley interested in a 1.25 set
diamon > star
this guy knows
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 19 October 2012, 00:20:01
My set will not include the ESC key, but I will have a ESC in cherry font for those of you who will be interested.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: houlty on Fri, 19 October 2012, 11:58:42
i'd be in for a 1.25 set, but would want an a la cart 1.25 left shift.

I think this would be the cheapest way to get an ISO set.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: Marclgw on Fri, 19 October 2012, 12:17:55
In for 1 set of 1.25, may add orders later.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: cgbuen on Sun, 21 October 2012, 17:11:18
It's been about a week since this started, which the OP pointed out would be as long as the IC may last. Any update as to what needs to happen for the group buy to get going? I'd love to get it started!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: poopmat on Sun, 21 October 2012, 20:00:49
interested  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 22 October 2012, 18:59:16
We need to decide on the color codes for everything that has a question mark next to it, and what we want our escape key to be (lower case "esc", "Esc", geekhack, open to suggestions)

Also I want to include an extra escape key with every set until the extras sell out. Doing this will make the sets about $3 more per set but you will get two escape keys, and it will support the cherry replica set. You will have a choice what the extra escape is until that choice sells out.

Tentatively what will be available as the extra escape keys:  60 black Esc, 51 black Cherry logo, 54 white Esc, and 46 white Cherry logo keys. So the first 111 black sets, and first 110 white sets would be $3 more than estimate prices but you can choose an extra escape key.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 22 October 2012, 19:40:44
Just match the colors from one of the other GBs.  They seem to have had it right.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: 1391401 on Mon, 22 October 2012, 20:51:40
Do you have a swatch set?  I'd order one and just let us know what you're thinking.  I think enough people have the chips to chime in YES/NO on a color. 
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: MadScientist46 on Tue, 23 October 2012, 03:24:38
Just match the colors from one of the other GBs.  They seem to have had it right.

If you ask me, the colors of last GBs were totally fine. I would go with those.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [big update posted 10-18]
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 23 October 2012, 04:45:26
What was the yellow color? We still need to choose orange, and the pink/purple/teal colors for a la carte options. I don't have a color ring and if I order one right now it will delay the group buy starting. Does someone that owns a color ring want to help us come to a conclusion on what colors to use?
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: Hzza on Tue, 23 October 2012, 04:50:59
Original RGB thread is there (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23865.0) with the colour codes in the OP. I think mbc used a different yellow, YBP (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-rgby-set-t2034.html)
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 23 October 2012, 11:27:19
The RGB codes for both my and mbc's sets are RA, VCM, and BDH.  mbc's yellow is YBP.  I have a color ring, and will snap some pictures if you'd like.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 23 October 2012, 11:28:44
What was the yellow color? We still need to choose orange, and the pink/purple/teal colors for a la carte options. I don't have a color ring and if I order one right now it will delay the group buy starting. Does someone that owns a color ring want to help us come to a conclusion on what colors to use?
SP doesn't carry purple, they have a lavender-ish colour
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 23 October 2012, 12:05:02
Natural Color System (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Color_System)

The four colors should be:
(white legends) red, green, blue, yellow, black
(black legends) reg, green, blue, yellow, white

Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 23 October 2012, 13:50:22
Alright I set the RGBY colors Unless YY is a better yellow color. Now we need to decide what shade of orange, then between the two pink colors (RCR and RCS) one is like pepto pink the other a light pink, there is probably only one shade of lavender, and the right shade of teal.

Also there are different shades of black and white, what are the color codes that have been used previously?
Title: AW: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: mbc on Tue, 23 October 2012, 13:52:00
Alright I set the RGBY colors Unless YY is a better yellow color...
NO!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 23 October 2012, 14:11:04
YY is really bright.  The win keys from my RGBY sets were YY and were generally disliked.  Straight black is NN, and that is what is used typically for black legends.  White legends are usually WFK.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 24 October 2012, 15:51:22
Going to wrap up the poll so we can start deciding what to do.
About 2/3 of those polled want the same colors as previous RGBY kits
For including the pure compatibility kit 16 said don't include it, 15 said yes
20 do want to buy some keys a la cart, 11 don't
21 do not want the left iso shift in the main set, 10 do
18 do not want alternate menu colors to orange available a la cart, 13 do
Only 4 votes for pink, and 3 for teal/turquoise, purple had the majority. Also this question had some overlap but in general just not much interest in pink/teal
21 yes for 1x size key to be included in the 1.5 modifier set, 10 said no
1 x key got 14 star votes and 14 diamond votes. One vote for blank, one for windows logo, one left empty
Those that are interested in a la cart keys are interested in a wide variety of the different options
11 want Diamonds on their windows and menu keys, 8 want Traditional windows/menu legends, 7 want stars, one for Tux, one for Windows 8 logo, one Menu be menu; Windows be diamond, one "simple words:"Windows" and "Menu", unless you put win98 logo on.", and one Text: "meta", "super"
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 24 October 2012, 15:58:15
can't please everyone.  when you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one.  Pick what you think is best and stick to your guns.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 24 October 2012, 16:11:12
Here are my thoughts and reasons:
Keep the same RGBY colors as previous kits. Maybe a month or two after this buy is over do one for alternate colors
Even though one more person said not to include pure compatibility kit I'm inclined to include it because the poker is supposedly going away, and the Pure may be replacing it. So People just may not know that the 1.75x shift will be good to have.
I want to have keys available a la cart, the numbers are there and it only makes the sets cheaper. Only bad thing is it makes packing slightly more difficult but I think the benefit is there.
The majority do not want a left iso included so I'm torn on this option, it needs more discussion.
Since slightly more don't want other options to orange I will make the alternate colors available as a la cart options, and if they don't reach MOQ then they will be dropped.
I don't think people had lavender in mind when they voted for purple, but I will have these alternate colors available anyways and peoples orders will decide.
1x size key will be included with the 1.5 modifier set, it will be yellow. I could have it available as orange a la cart also if people express an interest
What we put on the 1x size keys was a tie for stars and diamonds. Not really sure how to decide this one. One side of me wants to say diamonds have already been done lets go stars, part of me says stars are kind of "busy".
We will definitely have a la cart keys available for everything.
What we put on the windows and menu keys was also really close. Surprisingly Diamonds barely win this one, maybe people only like stars on 1x size keys. I'd like to have the set with diamonds and maybe the other two available a la cart and if they hit MOQ, and people are willing to pay extra, we'll do them.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: 1391401 on Wed, 24 October 2012, 20:54:14
In my experience you just need to make a decision, and offer it up to people and see how they react.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: cgbuen on Wed, 24 October 2012, 21:05:29
While it would be cool to have a la carte options, I've re-thought my stance and believe it would be better if you cut down on the options and decide the last color(s) and the Pure/iso compatibility before starting the group buy. It would definitely speed up the process and would probably make things a lot easier in the long run.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 24 October 2012, 21:55:05
I think the idea to offer colors as a la cart and then cut out the ones that don't meet MOQ is very good.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: jeroplane on Thu, 25 October 2012, 09:46:51
Here are my thoughts and reasons:
Keep the same RGBY colors as previous kits. Maybe a month or two after this buy is over do one for alternate colors
Even though one more person said not to include pure compatibility kit I'm inclined to include it because the poker is supposedly going away, and the Pure may be replacing it. So People just may not know that the 1.75x shift will be good to have.
I want to have keys available a la cart, the numbers are there and it only makes the sets cheaper. Only bad thing is it makes packing slightly more difficult but I think the benefit is there.
The majority do not want a left iso included so I'm torn on this option, it needs more discussion.
Since slightly more don't want other options to orange I will make the alternate colors available as a la cart options, and if they don't reach MOQ then they will be dropped.
I don't think people had lavender in mind when they voted for purple, but I will have these alternate colors available anyways and peoples orders will decide.
1x size key will be included with the 1.5 modifier set, it will be yellow. I could have it available as orange a la cart also if people express an interest
What we put on the 1x size keys was a tie for stars and diamonds. Not really sure how to decide this one. One side of me wants to say diamonds have already been done lets go stars, part of me says stars are kind of "busy".
We will definitely have a la cart keys available for everything.
What we put on the windows and menu keys was also really close. Surprisingly Diamonds barely win this one, maybe people only like stars on 1x size keys. I'd like to have the set with diamonds and maybe the other two available a la cart and if they hit MOQ, and people are willing to pay extra, we'll do them.

Thoughts?

My thoughts:

1. Definitely keep the colours the same as previous RGBYs.
2. The Pure kit should be decided at your discretion - some people will be happy or unhappy either way - my opinion is to leave it out and have it a la carte.
3. For the 1.5x set Orange a la carte is not necessary IMO - it really doesn't look good with the RGB without the Yellow.
4. For the 1.5x set include both stars and diamonds?
5. Perhaps for the 1.25x set Y Winkeys use diamonds and the 1.25 O Menu key can use a star?
6. Making keys open for a la carte order then cancelling them is a great idea - Left ISO, 1.75x Shift (if you decide not to include it), Purple, Lavender.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Thu, 25 October 2012, 19:46:53
Here is what I'm thinking for the remaining colors
Orange - OAS
Lavender - RCJ
Pink - RCS
Teal (or just lighter blue) - BBQ

If anyone with a color wheel could chime in that would be awesome. I'll probably order a color wheel soon but won't have it for awhile.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: Marclgw on Thu, 25 October 2012, 21:55:46
In for new colors, definitely, sticking with same old colors tends to make all the keyboards the same.

Its time for a new set of Modifier Keys!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 26 October 2012, 01:35:32
Well the RGBY will be the same as the last one, we are adding orange for the menu key, and a la cart options for menu key replacements. I guess if you didn't mind diamonds or stars on every key you could make everything besides the green shift keys different colors.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: i488 on Mon, 29 October 2012, 01:00:05
thats too many options

just make the iso and pure kits seperate from rgby kit?
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: Munzter on Wed, 31 October 2012, 15:54:03
Maybe noobish question... but does each separate legend color have to meet the MOQ, or just the caps themselves?  Depending on the answer to that question, I guess it will help answer whether we can choose either black/white when ordering caps without having to worry about MOQ for each...

On another note, I would prefer to have an a la carte option and have demand dictate the options available 
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 31 October 2012, 15:59:19
Each color is a separate MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: darksakul on Fri, 02 November 2012, 00:32:38
I am late to the party but RGBYO double shot kit, you have my attention.
I am interested.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: i488 on Tue, 06 November 2012, 21:15:43
nothing for 1800s?? :-[
1xunits hater!! :(
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: singaporean123 on Tue, 06 November 2012, 22:00:42
So what's the update now...
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: cgbuen on Wed, 07 November 2012, 02:15:25
Curious to know this as well.. though I know danielucf just wrapped up a big auction to help out with a wisdom teeth issue.. so maybe a little longer while he gets that taken care of and recoups? Hope all is well!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 07 November 2012, 08:40:56
nothing for 1800s?? :-[
1xunits hater!! :(
What is this missing that you need?

So what's the update now...
hashbaz and I are trying to get some final plans made. We were considering doing a blue instead of red escape as something a little different, and also because we are going to sell extra red escapes left over from the cherry replica set so who would want two red escapes? Then we got thinking that maybe if we did an RGB rotation so the control keys would be blue, the shift keys red, and the alt keys green might be cool looking and different from the hundreds of RGBs out there right now. He is going to make a mock up of what it would look like and in a week or two we can hopefully get the group buy started.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: singaporean123 on Wed, 07 November 2012, 08:50:06
nothing for 1800s?? :-[
1xunits hater!! :(
What is this missing that you need?

So what's the update now...
hashbaz and I are trying to get some final plans made. We were considering doing a blue instead of red escape as something a little different, and also because we are going to sell extra red escapes left over from the cherry replica set so who would want two red escapes? Then we got thinking that maybe if we did an RGB rotation so the control keys would be blue, the shift keys red, and the alt keys green might be cool looking and different from the hundreds of RGBs out there right now. He is going to make a mock up of what it would look like and in a week or two we can hopefully get the group buy started.
THis sounds really good!

Excited on how the new RGBY sets will look. Very creative!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: jil_jil32 on Wed, 07 November 2012, 12:06:36
If you're going to do something different from the previous runs like that, so it's the time to pick other colors <3
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 07 November 2012, 13:13:20
If you're going to do something different from the previous runs like that, so it's the time to pick other colors <3
Baby steps :p
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: gameaholic on Thu, 08 November 2012, 23:51:20
So this pure compatibility kit, would it be compatible with the upcoming GH60 keyboard?
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: älg on Fri, 09 November 2012, 02:09:43
Interested in a 1.25 with ISO and 1.5 with ISO set.

What about just offering less different, but more complete sets? The overall price for everybody would be lower then. E.g. only offer sets with ISO and Pure Addons?
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 09 November 2012, 02:20:44
Here are some color mock-ups to get a feel for some options.

(http://i.imgur.com/BMSUZ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/BMSUZ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/RyaEe.png) (http://i.imgur.com/RyaEe.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/4bh59.png) (http://i.imgur.com/4bh59.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/PnFAP.png) (http://i.imgur.com/PnFAP.png)
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: jeroplane on Fri, 09 November 2012, 02:24:17
Hard to beat the nice red-orange-yellow gradient going on the right side of the standard RGBYO. IMO, the primary colours look a bit jarring when they're used for the Winkey/Menu.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: cgbuen on Fri, 09 November 2012, 02:32:38
Those look great! The original is great as always, and I like that last set a lot too.

It may be cool to see another option like the last one but with the red and yellow switched (to keep the RGB to Shift/Control/Alt), and a blue Esc. Just throwing that out there.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: gameaholic on Fri, 09 November 2012, 05:32:37
I'm looking for the original with white legends since I didn't get in on it last time. 

What about an Orange Esc key?     
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 09 November 2012, 09:37:38
I'd definitely be interested in seeing some different color combos for sure. All of them!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: rainbowshy on Fri, 09 November 2012, 11:32:52
Definitely interested in the 1.25 ISO variant. I'll lurk and see if we can hit a decent MOQ though. I'm not willing to pay $60. :(
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Sat, 10 November 2012, 00:51:06
I like this one the most personally:
(http://i.imgur.com/IOXVL.png)
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: GMC on Sat, 10 November 2012, 03:34:18
Can someone make a mockup of
Cream Yellow alt
Burgundy Red shift
Pastel or Navy Blue win
Pale Green ctrl
Geekhack Orange menu/fn (legend issue with this one?)
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: TDub on Mon, 12 November 2012, 10:01:30
Interessted!
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 12 November 2012, 16:18:24
I like this one the most personally:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOXVL.png)

So would people be cool with this as the group buy? It is the same colors as normal RGB just with one rotation for shift, control, alt.
Title: Re: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: GMC on Mon, 12 November 2012, 16:29:20
I like this one the most personally:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOXVL.png)

So would people be cool with this as the group buy? It is the same colors as normal RGB just with one rotation for shift, control, alt.
make the orange key a symbol so it can be used for menu or fn depending on the board.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: gameaholic on Mon, 12 November 2012, 16:32:02
What I really want is a set of the original colors with white legends.  Out of all the alternate colors I like that one best.  Put me down for both.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 12 November 2012, 16:43:47
Yea the yellow and orange keys should both be diamonds I think.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: i488 on Tue, 13 November 2012, 19:42:00
I like this one the most personally:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOXVL.png)

me 2 :D
Im in for 1.25 1.5 set plus iso kit
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: chaosstep on Wed, 14 November 2012, 22:04:45
I like this one the most personally:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IOXVL.png)

me 2 :D
Im in for 1.25 1.5 set plus iso kit

I vote this. :D

Actually I don't like green color.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 14 November 2012, 23:00:48
Uhm, shift is green, control is red, alt is blue.  Don't question the wisdom of Cherry  :mad:
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 16 November 2012, 19:47:57
Uhm, shift is green, control is red, alt is blue.  Don't question the wisdom of Cherry  :mad:
Well there are 4+ RGB kits already available (MBC, hashbaz, aggiejy, a korean one). Also sometime soon Sherryton is going to have one available as well making 5+. So since we have around 100 extra cherry escapes from the cherry red set in black and white legends I'm going to bundle with these sets, I thought it would be cool to keep the normal color scheme, and just do a simple rotation of the colors. That way people will have a blue and red escape instead of two escape keys. Variety is the spice of life son, the more I look at it, the more it grows on me.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: gameaholic on Fri, 16 November 2012, 20:35:42
Now that someone sold me a hashbaz RGBY (it's in the mail) I'm more open to the alternative color rotation.  Maybe have each key available in all three colors?  Someone could get all red, all blue or all green modifiers. 
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: mickd on Sat, 17 November 2012, 04:19:33
I'm putting my interest towards seeing completely new colours instead of just rotating it. Maybe using the secondary colours?
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: netdevil on Thu, 22 November 2012, 08:21:50
Ok definitely interested when this goes up  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: Mangeun Ethan Jang on Fri, 23 November 2012, 12:58:46
I interested with 1.5 kit : ) Cheer up! :-* :p :eek: :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: BimboBB on Fri, 23 November 2012, 13:45:02
Interested as well!  :)
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: Sai on Mon, 03 December 2012, 19:27:11
i am interested as well.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: phetto on Wed, 12 December 2012, 05:14:26
Can you guys just pick a set and go.
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 03 January 2013, 20:32:51
interested in the ansi set with white legends
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 03 January 2013, 20:36:57
So is it descided with black legends or white legends? I presume these are DS from SP?
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: redeye on Sat, 05 January 2013, 12:50:58
I'm also interested in this  :D
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: terrpn on Sat, 05 January 2013, 13:31:59
1.5

lock and load ;D
Title: Re: [IC] RGBYO double shot kit [need color help]
Post by: Sephiroth on Wed, 09 January 2013, 04:32:32
1.25 Set   
2x1.25 ctrl
2x1.25 alt
2x1.25 Window
1x1.25 menu
1x2.75 right shift
1x2.25 left shift
esc 1x

i like it!!