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Title: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (ON HOLD)
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 15:43:16
UPDATE:

im putting this GB on hold until we get more info on GMC for production. im sure everyone would be much more happy to wait a few extra months in the chance of getting official cherry stuff and i dont want to go forward until we know more.

thanks for all the interest guys.


please refer to this thread:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37786.0


starting off with a quick and simple IC. If it gets enough traction can work out details later on.
(will most likely need someone to handle shipping state side as im in Australia)

going to let this run for a few weeks and see where it goes.

(Edited) base kit only at this point

2 Control (1.25x)
2 Alt (1.25x)
2 Win (1.25x)
1 Menu (1.25x)
1 left Shift (2.25x)
1 right Shift (2.75x)
1 Spacebar (6.25x)
2 Caps Lock (stepped, center stemmed)

UPDATED PRICE LIST:

25 sets          $38.38 / set
50 sets          $27.03 / set
75 sets          $23.24 / set
100 sets        $21.35 / set
150 sets        $19.46 / set
200 sets        $18.51 / set
250 sets        $17.95 / set


please dont fill out the IC unless you are serious and can go ahead quickly... if we get the numbers i want to get it to ordering ASAP so please only fill out the IC if you are able to go ahead if it goes to ordering.

thanks.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGktWU5SU2p3OHFRU3h5c2daa3k2QVE6MQ#gid=0


EDIT: 28/11

CURRENT TOTALS FROM IC FORM

DOLCH: 25
BEIGE/WHITE: 31
WHITE ON BLACK: 24
WYSE: 16

going good for only a day

once i see numbers that should get us enough to start ordering i'll move this to ordering.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: boost on Mon, 26 November 2012, 15:59:20
In for 1 and can help for usa shipment :)
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Alessandro on Mon, 26 November 2012, 15:59:56
Awesome! Hopefully we can get to a good order quantity.

In for one.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:06:05
awesome boost thats sorted quickly. i have no doubt we can get this off the ground quickly as well :)

going to get specific quotes from Mellisa as well just to double check.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Alessandro on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:08:33
I will most likely be able to distribute in the UK if you need anyone. That all depends on how many people in the UK order.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Acetrak on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:13:21
In
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:21:39
Honestly you should just do all the moogles. Dolch, Beige/White, and white on black. I would buy at least one of each, if not 2-3+ of others.

I imagine you want to do this "quick" since you just got a Dolch set, but if you want to hit reasonable numbers you should probably run it for a month or two.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:22:37
Honestly you should just do all the moogles. Dolch, Beige/White, and white on black. I would buy at least one of each, if not 2-3+ of others.

hmm ok its worth considering if this gets enough interest i'll change the form. i really dont want to over complicate things though or have it run for ages.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Alessandro on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:24:21
If you also somehow got a buy going for a Dolch 37 key set I'd love you forever. :D
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:24:26
hmm ok its worth considering if this gets enough interest i'll change the form. i really dont want to over complicate things though or have it run for ages.
If something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Just give it a month or two, especially around the American holidays when people normally have less money for a selfish keyboard hobby because they are buying things for others :p
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Alessandro on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:26:04
I was also thinking that, but in terms of postage. We're getting to the point where the system is getting clogged with christmas post, so even if you did it quickly, postage from Australia to the US is going to take an awful long time anyway.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:26:23
hmm ok its worth considering if this gets enough interest i'll change the form. i really dont want to over complicate things though or have it run for ages.
If something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Just give it a month or two, especially around the American holidays when people normally have less money for a selfish keyboard hobby because they are buying things for others :p

like more keyboard stuff for their others? heh.

you guys might be right but lets just see what happens. if after a day or 2 this goes stale will think about making it more long term. this is basically an idea hatched from my WTB thread for a moogle, and seeing a ton of other moogle WTB specifically for this set to try and fill the demand reasonably quickly.

can always do a bigger one later on.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:29:26
possible to add center stemmed step caps?
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:30:19
possible to add center stemmed step caps?
That would be cool, I like that idea.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:32:02
possible to add center stemmed step caps?

sure im also thinking of getting an extra spacebar in will get some quotes and update. i want center stemmed and of center stemmed caps as well lol
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Alessandro on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:35:00
Would it be possible to order 1 extra of a particular cap? For example, I'd be after 2 fulltouch caps.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: jcrouse on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:35:29
In
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:37:40
i bet a lot of people would be interested in a wyse moogle too
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: cgbuen on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:41:24
Yeah definitely would love to see WYSE moogle. Would be in for at least one, probably two.

And I love the idea of both center-stemmed and off-center stemmed stepped Caps Locks. I'd probably go for one of each.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:45:28
Would it be possible to order 1 extra of a particular cap? For example, I'd be after 2 fulltouch caps.

from what SP have told me for individual caps that need to be cast the minimum order has to be $100.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: strafe on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:46:24
I'd be interested in a set :D

Edit: Can you please change my order to a white on black set.
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: BimboBB on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:49:06
would be in for beige/white moogle sets.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Alessandro on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:50:57
Would it be possible to order 1 extra of a particular cap? For example, I'd be after 2 fulltouch caps.

from what SP have told me for individual caps that need to be cast the minimum order has to be $100.

Hmm, we may be able to get there. It doesn't matter if we don't, just a thought that some people may want. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Dolch Moogle Kit GB (EDITED TO ADD MORE COLORS)
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 17:03:03
i've updated the form. if you have filled it out already please just do so again if you want any of the other options otherwise leave it :)

i think that should cover it.

if we get 25 of each set i'll move forward.

(anyone got any pics of the other kits i can add to op for those that dont know them?)

also added an option for a DT username as im going to post over there as i've had some pms from people there.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: pasph on Mon, 26 November 2012, 17:38:38
in
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: blighty on Mon, 26 November 2012, 17:52:30
Nice!  This is an awesome way to stop the price gouging. Form filled. Would possibly get more than 1 of various kits if it helped reach MOQ.  Let's do this!  :-)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 18:07:16
Nice!  This is an awesome way to stop the price gouging. Form filled. Would possibly get more than 1 of various kits if it helped reach MOQ.  Let's do this!  :-)

with the amount of interest from DTers as well and its only been up a few hours i doubt we are going to have any issues reaching at least the 25 mark for each.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: metafour on Mon, 26 November 2012, 18:11:25
In!
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: fruktstund on Mon, 26 November 2012, 18:12:39
Anti-Caps anyone? Last time there wasn't enough interest, but I know I'm still interested. If it would be possible to add that option I'd be a happy man.

(Anti-Caps = Control instead of Caps Lock)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 26 November 2012, 18:27:38
Ordered 1 of everything except Dolch
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 26 November 2012, 18:28:40
What about colours?
IIRC, the last moogle GB had an off-beige/white for the space bar.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 26 November 2012, 18:32:34
with the amount of interest from DTers as well and its only been up a few hours i doubt we are going to have any issues reaching at least the 25 mark for each.
Now take orders until early to mid January and I'm sure you will reach 50+ on all colors. Going to try and get some Korean forums involved too? May be able to break 75+
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: OddOne on Mon, 26 November 2012, 18:57:03
I'm Interested in the dolch. How about full mod kits like hashbaz's moogles?
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: metafour on Mon, 26 November 2012, 19:03:25
Anti-Caps anyone? Last time there wasn't enough interest, but I know I'm still interested. If it would be possible to add that option I'd be a happy man.

(Anti-Caps = Control instead of Caps Lock)

I'd like the Control instead of Caps Lock but I don't want one of the regular 1.25x Control mods to say Caps Lock. I just want the full touch Control.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 26 November 2012, 19:37:23
The Koreans will be interested for sure.  Make sure to choose a better white color than I did. :P
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 19:46:10
The Koreans will be interested for sure.  Make sure to choose a better white color than I did. :P

any help would be greatly appreciated in color choice.



what do you guys think about having 2 different color spacebars for each kit (if its not super extra) and also perhaps a 7 unit?

i've sent off a list of things to SP to get some quotes on kits containing:

possible base kit 1:

2 Control (1.25x)
2 Alt (1.25x)
2 Win (1.25x)
1 Menu (1.25x)
1 left Shift (2.25x)
1 right Shift (2.75x)
1 Spacebar (6.25x)
2 Caps Lock (stepped, center stemmed)


possible base kit 2:
2 Control (1.25x)
2 Alt (1.25x)
2 Win (1.25x)
1 Menu (1.25x)
1 left Shift (2.25x)
1 right Shift (2.75x)
2 Spacebar (6.25x) (different colors)
1 Spacebar (7x)
3 Caps Lock (stepped, center stemmed, full touch)

with the amount of interest from DTers as well and its only been up a few hours i doubt we are going to have any issues reaching at least the 25 mark for each.
Now take orders until early to mid January and I'm sure you will reach 50+ on all colors. Going to try and get some Korean forums involved too? May be able to break 75+

please remember this is still just an IC.

if i get enough interest in the next few weeks i'll turn it into a proper order thread and we can let it run until early January to drum up interest across all forums to get the best priced tier. if it gets to that point i'm sure the koreans on here will get involved (CYG im looking at you :P )
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: pasph on Mon, 26 November 2012, 19:51:43
There's someone else wishing to insert also ISO enter and left shift (even blanks)?
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 19:53:52
There's someone else wishing to insert also ISO enter and left shift (even blanks)?

feel free to add more suggestions, pm me if you like with specifics and i'll see about getting quotes for stuff in a whole set.

its still growing at this point it started out as a dolch only lol not to bad for a few hours.

give it a week and i reckon we will have enough interest. (already nearly at 25 for most sets from IC form lol)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 26 November 2012, 19:54:07
Why would you want a 7x spacebar in a moogle kit?
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 19:59:34
Why would you want a 7x spacebar in a moogle kit?

no idea just going thru all options lol.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2012, 20:00:23
really no good reason I can think of.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Kensy on Mon, 26 November 2012, 20:22:59
Filled the form ! Black on beige and Dolch moogle !
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: jeroplane on Mon, 26 November 2012, 20:56:38
Awesome, will definitely be submitting an order for one of each (White, Black, WYSE, Dolch), and I'll probably get some extras too to help fill out numbers. I don't actually have a Dolch set yet, but hope to somewhere in the future...

Personally I don't agree with having more than one spacebar in the pack, as it would be unnecessary for most people.

Also, not sure if people would be interested, but what about including both a full touch and stepped centre-stemmed caps lock? I don't think an off-centre stemmed caps lock is really required.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:05:58
I think for the base set I will include all 3 caps as its most likely not going to be much extra and just the one space bar. That should be all we need and ill add maybe an ISO kit or something.

Sent from my GT-I9100T using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rainb1ood on Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:14:31
Hi, if this IC pushes through, what font would be used for the legends?
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: blighty on Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:17:37
(http://i.imgur.com/XByXF.jpg)
This seems like a good grouping of keys to go with (hashbaz's pic of Dolch moogle from last buy).  :D
(http://i.imgur.com/6uvxk.jpg)
(black on white/beige with funky space bar?)
(http://i.imgur.com/UV7pH.jpg)
(white on black)
Mayhap someone has a pic of what a WYSE moogle looks like for comparison?
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: kmiller8 on Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:21:08
This seems like a good grouping of keys to go with.  :D

Just throwin this out there, since we have so many keys, why not add \| and `~ like the RA 2.0 sets :s

I know these are seen as "alpha keys" but I like how those two combined create a full 'wrap' around the alpha characters.

Like I said, just my $.02 :)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:31:05
Make sure to include spacebars as a separate option so that owners of R3 moogles can get a better color match without buying a whole new set.  Also, please brand these as "round 4", "R4", etc. to identify continuity with previous sets. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:35:20
Make a combined moogle/tsangan kit? Call it the compatibility kit... Just throwing it out there. I know you just did second chance tsangans, hashbaz. :D
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:38:47
I'm cool with an ultimate compatibility kit, as long as we call it the hashbaz kit. ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:42:50
You run the GB, you can call it as you like. :D
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:07:03
Hmm 1.75x right shift and "~`" in R4 for KBT Pure compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: fl0w3n on Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:35:43

Just throwin this out there, since we have so many keys, why not add \| and `~ like the RA 2.0 sets :s

I know these are seen as "alpha keys" but I like how those two combined create a full 'wrap' around the alpha characters.

Like I said, just my $.02 :)

I was thinking the same thing. Some wyse sets need those keys anyways.


I'm considering getting in on this despite not needing anything currently.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: gizmo on Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:36:54
In for a WYSE
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: dreamingftw on Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:47:05
filled out for white on black and black on beige
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: boost on Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:59:50
I want a Hastanga kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 November 2012, 23:00:57
and for dolch.... zombhastanga!
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Alessandro on Tue, 27 November 2012, 01:56:57
A 7x spacebar may end up being useful for some GH60 layouts. We'll have to see. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Shadovved on Tue, 27 November 2012, 02:09:18
Hmmm, filled out the form, just added +2 to both dolch and beige :D
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: BimboBB on Tue, 27 November 2012, 02:51:41
The Koreans will be interested for sure.  Make sure to choose a better white color than I did. :P
any help would be greatly appreciated in color choice.

imo, the beige spacebar (not the white one) from WASDkeyboards.com comes very close to the white cherry caps. But not sure if he works with SP colour codes.

example with cherry caps and wasd spacebar (http://i.imgur.com/441QH.jpg?1)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Tue, 27 November 2012, 06:08:28
Make sure to include spacebars as a separate option so that owners of R3 moogles can get a better color match without buying a whole new set.  Also, please brand these as "round 4", "R4", etc. to identify continuity with previous sets. ;)

sounds good thanks hash will brand this R4 when ordering goes ahead. (im sure it wont be long now the IC form is getting big lol)

will make some adjustments to all the different sets and get everything up soon.

thanks for the pics blighty
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: shawn o on Tue, 27 November 2012, 08:03:56
YEs, please make a new white spacebar that actually matches the white moogle keys. Also center stemmed, stepped caps lock in Dolch and WYSE.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Tue, 27 November 2012, 09:05:42
YEs, please make a new white spacebar that actually matches the white moogle keys. Also center stemmed, stepped caps lock in Dolch and WYSE.

any ideas on color code?
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: Acanthophis on Tue, 27 November 2012, 09:11:04
A 7x spacebar may end up being useful for some GH60 layouts. We'll have to see. ;)
Those GH60 layouts (1,5 mods + 7 space bar) are designed to fit for a Cherry Corp 2shots. And they all do have a 7 space bar, even a better one than those edged ones SP produces...
Title: Re: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 November 2012, 09:21:33
any ideas on color code?

I'll take some pictures of my samples  tonight and look up the codes I used for the other colors.
Title: Re: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB
Post by: rayuki on Tue, 27 November 2012, 09:37:20
any ideas on color code?

I'll take some pictures of my samples  tonight and look up the codes I used for the other colors.

awesome thanks hash. so far numbers are promising after only a day :)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: Alessandro on Tue, 27 November 2012, 09:53:09
This is moving nice and quickly! Well done!
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: fl0w3n on Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:24:43
So fast that I may have 4 moogle sets and no keys to use them on haha
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: snoopy on Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:26:14
Like already mentioned on DT, a dolch stepped capslock would be cool
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: fl0w3n on Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:27:27
Yea I'd love a stepped caps for my current WYSE moogle
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:33:56
It's been said before, but when it comes to keycaps and accessories, you should buy when you have the opportunity. Not for what you currently have, but what you might want in the future. Better to have something you don't really need right now, than need something you can't get later.

For instance, you might think you'll never have or even want a Korean custom keyboard, so you have no need of a tsangan compatibility kit with your keyset purchase. Then later, when you finally obtain one of them, you regret not having the correct keys for the bottom row.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: boost on Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:34:02
It's time to convert this into the GB as you have enough for MOQ =)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: Alessandro on Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:34:34
W00P! This is looking good!
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: Shadovved on Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:35:38
GB GB!
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:50:49
Like already mentioned on DT, a dolch stepped capslock would be cool

from the price quote i got from Melissa im going to include both stepped and center-stemmed caps in the base sets for all kits as it doesn't add much extra.

im going to get a few more quotes on some different sets that others have mentioned and see if we get enough interest when i put up ordering to get them.

GB will go into ordering once all quotes are finalised for the sets im looking at and i figure out color codes and fonts (i want it all sorted first before going into ordering phase so i can have it all in the OP to keep it organised)

should only be a few more days at the latest this thing is moving fast so get on the train choo choo!

Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: fl0w3n on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:00:19
It's been said before, but when it comes to keycaps and accessories, you should buy when you have the opportunity. Not for what you currently have, but what you might want in the future. Better to have something you don't really need right now, than need something you can't get later.

For instance, you might think you'll never have or even want a Korean custom keyboard, so you have no need of a tsangan compatibility kit with your keyset purchase. Then later, when you finally obtain one of them, you regret not having the correct keys for the bottom row.

That gets expensive FAST :(

I.E. I'm likely going to get all 4 sets here...that's $80 for just Moogle, which means then I'm keeping my eye out for the set's themselves (minus my WYSE) and at a low of $50 a set...!

But I 'spose I do agree. 
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit GB (Updated IC count 28/11)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:05:18
Welcome to wallethack. You are now poor.

Quote stolen from hashbaz. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:14:45
i've added updated price list for the "BASE" kit i want to do for each set.

also getting quotes on the following:

Anti-Caps Kit: for swapping control and caps lock.
1 x Control (1.75x)
1 x Caps-Lock (1.25x)

ISO Adapter Kit:
1 x Enter
1 x Backslash/Pipe
1 x ISO left Shift (1.25)

anything else i should add to get quotes on before moving this to ordering?
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:26:59
Is your ISO adapter kit for using an ANSI set on an ISO keyboard?  If so, you should probably just call it an ISO kit since that is what they are usually called.  Also, "ISO adapter kit" in the R3 moogle buy was the opposite, adapting an ISO set to work on an ANSI board.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: el2k on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:29:05
In for one of each.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:35:01
Is your ISO adapter kit for using an ANSI set on an ISO keyboard?  If so, you should probably just call it an ISO kit since that is what they are usually called.  Also, "ISO adapter kit" in the R3 moogle buy was the opposite, adapting an ISO set to work on an ANSI board.

yeah i pretty much just copied it from your R3 using the pics at DT for:

Anti-Caps Kit: for swapping Control and Caps Lock
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/2516)
ISO Adapter Kit: for using an ISO Cherry set on an ANSI keyboard
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/2519)

should i do both? gah so confusing and this being my first GB lol.

also thinking of doing like a full wrap kit:

1 Tab
1 Backspace
1 Enter
1 ~
1 \
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:38:10
also thinking of doing like a full wrap set with Tab ~ \ Backspace. thoughts?

Tab, Backspace, and Enter make up "full mod kit." You could add ~ and \ to the base set if you wanted.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:40:40
also thinking of doing like a full wrap set with Tab ~ \ Backspace. thoughts?

Tab, Backspace, and Enter make up "full mod kit." You could add ~ and \ to the base set if you wanted.

ok sounds good if people are happy with adding ~ and \ to base set it shouldn't be much extra and i'll just do the normal "Full mod kit"

as well as the proper ISO KIT (what is this excactly, fat ISO enterkey?)

also single spacebars as requested.

lots to add!
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: DanGWanG on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:50:24
In for 1 and can help for usa shipment :)

Are you sure you won't be tired after the Valentine sets? =)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:50:28
Wait, why would you add ~ and \ to the base kit?  That makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:53:11
Wait, why would you add ~ and \ to the base kit?  That makes no sense to me.

add it to the FULL MOD SET then like i was originally going to do and call it "FULL WRAP SET" to get what people want out of those keys anyway lol.

someone said something about it being part of RA 2.0 Base set.

either way nothing is set in stone yet just getting ideas so i can figure out what the final lineup will be.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 November 2012, 12:18:33
Wait, why would you add ~ and \ to the base kit?  That makes no sense to me.

Ragnorock started this with his RA2.0 GB. Makes it so the contrasting modifiers completely wrap around the alphanumerics. SP has followed suit with their "stocked" modifier kits. I personally don't like it, since traditionally those keys are the same color as the alphanums. But I guess some people prefer it.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: blighty on Tue, 27 November 2012, 12:20:58
Mayhap wait and see what GMK (the maker of Cherry's doubleshots) says on pricing and MOQs? 
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: Shadovved on Tue, 27 November 2012, 13:25:17
Yeap, ride on the GMK bandwagon!
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Tue, 27 November 2012, 15:30:23
heres the color thing from SP

(http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/Customized/ABSColors.jpg)

GX is the modifiers for dolch

Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 November 2012, 15:37:37
I just dug through my email history, here are the colors I used for the last round.  I think they're all a really good match except for the NN on WFK white keys.

Black: WFK on NN, NN space bar
White: NN on GAW and NN on WFK, WFK space bar
Dolch: WFK on GEW, GE space bar
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: gizmo on Tue, 27 November 2012, 20:30:41
Currently just in for one WYSE, but can certainly justify a few more sets if it changes price tiers.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: BimboBB on Wed, 28 November 2012, 02:49:40
have compared the wasd-space with the original cherry one. the wasd-space is more white than i thought. But have seen a picture where someone compared the CCnG space with the original one and its nearly the same color. (cant find that anymore) This cream cheese color code was WCK.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: jeroplane on Wed, 28 November 2012, 04:57:35
have compared the wasd-space with the original cherry one. the wasd-space is more white than i thought. But have seen a picture where someone compared the CCnG space with the original one and its nearly the same color. (cant find that anymore) This cream cheese color code was WCK.

It all depends on the quality of your set and lighting. Personally I think CCnG was the best match. The WASD light grey still looks a bit too grey to my eyes, and I'd rather err on the white side than the grey side of the scale.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: binarystar9 on Wed, 28 November 2012, 05:24:06
dolch!
in
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 28 November 2012, 07:59:48
Are you thinking of trying to use the i3oilermaker's new center stemmed caps lock that is stepped? (Pending his permission, O'course)
Title: Re: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Wed, 28 November 2012, 08:44:48
Are you thinking of trying to use the i3oilermaker's new center stemmed caps lock that is stepped? (Pending his permission, O'course)

Hmm no I wasn't aware of it. We have plenty enough keys for now though I may add it as an extra. Will try and get some mockups done today and get color codes finalised before putting it into full GB ordering mode :)

(If anyone can help with mockups please pm me)
Sent from my GT-I9100T using Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: Soulpyre on Wed, 28 November 2012, 11:45:11
What fonts will be used for the various sets, just curious.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 28 November 2012, 11:46:15
I can modify my mockups from R3 to fit your sets.  Also will take some pics of color samples next to real Cherry keys for color choosing purposes.  Gimpster posted some pics that are now buried somewhere in the R3 thread that showed the possible choices for Dolch, and the ones we used were pretty clearly the best.  We could maybe try to find a better gray/beige for the white sets, but I think the previous rounds have been quite good.  The only real question in my mind is choosing a new off-white color for the white kit spacebars and backslashes (and tildes I guess).
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Wed, 28 November 2012, 17:20:44
I can modify my mockups from R3 to fit your sets.  Also will take some pics of color samples next to real Cherry keys for color choosing purposes.  Gimpster posted some pics that are now buried somewhere in the R3 thread that showed the possible choices for Dolch, and the ones we used were pretty clearly the best.  We could maybe try to find a better gray/beige for the white sets, but I think the previous rounds have been quite good.  The only real question in my mind is choosing a new off-white color for the white kit spacebars and backslashes (and tildes I guess).

yeah that would be great, i think as others have said the CCnG white spacebar would make a good match. WCK

arn't all fonts just going to be cherry?
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 28 November 2012, 17:55:36
Wyse, RA, and CCnG are SP standard (Wyse) font. The Cherry ones are obviously Cherry font. WCK is a somewhat acceptable match for Cherry white, but its not a perfect match. We can probably find a closer color.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Wed, 28 November 2012, 18:42:48
Wyse, RA, and CCnG are SP standard (Wyse) font. The Cherry ones are obviously Cherry font. WCK is a somewhat acceptable match for Cherry white, but its not a perfect match. We can probably find a closer color.

ok well i wish i had a damn SP color wheel it would take to long to get to me and the list from the other pic i posted isn't big enough!

i want to get this going within the next few days but yeah colors can be changed i guess but i'd much rather have them all set and ready to go before putting it in the order form.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 28 November 2012, 19:28:39
You can start the group buy and finalize the last couple colors in a week or so. People know what the sets are supposed to look like so it isn't a big deal like other items for sale would need to be accurate from the start.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Wed, 28 November 2012, 19:54:55
You can start the group buy and finalize the last couple colors in a week or so. People know what the sets are supposed to look like so it isn't a big deal like other items for sale would need to be accurate from the start.

yeah sounds like what im going to do most likely, will be going forward very soon just finalizing order forms and mockups and we are good to go :)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 28 November 2012, 20:28:06
i can't remember if I've already filled that out! /facepalm
edit, oh well i'm going to fill the form again.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Wed, 28 November 2012, 20:36:27
i can't remember if I've already filled that out! /facepalm
edit, oh well i'm going to fill the form again.

its all good its just the IC form, there will be a new form for actual ordering so dont stress about it. i know there is enough interest now to go forward.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: cgbuen on Thu, 29 November 2012, 01:59:06
Just a thought (and hopefully this doesn't slow down anything too much), you could drum up some interest by adding Row3 Del/End/PgDn keys to the white-on-black set, to go along with inlikeflynn's Cherry MY harvest buy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37672.0) or anyone else who has white-on-black doubleshots from Dolch-like sets like these:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Z8vA1.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: jeroplane on Thu, 29 November 2012, 02:35:24
Just a thought (and hopefully this doesn't slow down anything too much), you could drum up some interest by adding Row3 Del/End/PgDn keys to the white-on-black set, to go along with inlikeflynn's Cherry MY harvest buy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37672.0) or anyone else who has white-on-black doubleshots from Dolch-like sets like these:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Z8vA1.jpg)


One step at a time IMO. Those keys would be more appropriate in their own group buy. But personally I would rather have original Cherry Del/End/PgDn that were the wrong profile as opposed to the right profile but thin doubleshots.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 29 November 2012, 08:43:59
also thinking of doing like a full wrap set with Tab ~ \ Backspace. thoughts?

Tab, Backspace, and Enter make up "full mod kit." You could add ~ and \ to the base set if you wanted.

I'm down for at least two (possibly more if pricing is right) WYSE sets if these options are available. I'm new so I'm not quite sure on the terminology, but I think I need the "full mod kit" plus the "|\" key. My keycap sets are off WYSE terminal boards that are missing a lot of standard keys. I would like to make as many full sets as I can afford to since I have learned these group buys don't come around very often.

I would LOVE to replace the non-standard keys on the right side of the board but I am also seeing that most people on here seem to prefer the tenkeyless style so I am sure I'm in the minority there. I think I would need:

This is one of the donor boards:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img15/7973/015rs.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 29 November 2012, 09:02:54
The WYSE set definitely needs a |\ key for sets that came from terminal boards. Please include that, if possible, Rayuki.

WT, I also need the nine keys above the arrow cluster for one of my WYSE sets, so I'm right there with ya on that. But it's probably for another group buy, not this moogle buy.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: whiskytango on Thu, 29 November 2012, 09:13:43
Yeah, I figured that would be the case. Those 9 keys aren't that big a deal though. I would really like the complete num pad set though. I prefer the numpad because I use it a lot for data entry when doing spread sheets.

Thanks for the feedback though.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 29 November 2012, 11:53:42
filled out and sent form

1 of each at this point

am hopeful there will be a lot of interest to keep the price down
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: kbdfr on Fri, 30 November 2012, 00:24:23
As on European keyboards the right Alt key says "Alt Gr", how about adding this as an option?
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: simkev on Fri, 30 November 2012, 03:14:54
This Groupbuy needs winkeyless options

Something like this:

WINKEYLESS ADD-ON KIT
2 Control 1.5x
2 Alt 1.5x
2 Win 1x
1 Space 7x
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 30 November 2012, 03:19:54
This Groupbuy needs winkeyless options

Something like this:

WINKEYLESS ADD-ON KIT
2 Control 1.5x
2 Alt 1.5x
2 Win 1x
1 Space 7x
Those keys would be called a "tsangan" kit. There are some group buys up for those, but they may already be closed to orders. Take a look.
Title: Re: [IC] Moogle Kit R4 GB (Updated price list 28/11)
Post by: rayuki on Fri, 30 November 2012, 09:40:59
im putting this GB on hold until we get more info on GMC for production. im sure everyone would be much more happy to wait a few extra months in the chance of getting official cherry stuff and i dont want to go forward until we know more.

thanks for all the interest guys.