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Title: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: geonworks on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:11:09




Check GB Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113394.0)


Hello everyone, i'm Geon from south korea
Introducing frog tkl, which will be sold every month on In-stock


IC FORM (https://forms.gle/qzc5sHXaGJhrNKEq6)


The sales will be in-stock, not group buy, and the vendor is Swagkeys (http://www.swagkeys.com) in S.Korea. 
Although 350 units have already been produced, I thought there was still a lot to be desired, so I created an IC form
I'm planning to produce more than 5k units and if there's demand, I'm planning to produce more and more

Frog TKL will be sold to End of JUNE or Early July. But if PCB production is delayed, sales can be delayed. _ 210602 Modified




(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/841505517591592980/DSC01208.JPG?width=1202&height=676)



FROG TKL PRICE
(285USD excluding PCB)
- UNLIMITED
- SALES EVERY MONTH 120~200units



SPECS > 3D Viewer (https://myhub.autodesk360.com/ue2bc6900/g/shares/SH56a43QTfd62c1cd9689fcb7a2b8d26c9d0)
- MOUNT : TOP WITH RUBBER PIN (a.k.a Tadpole)
- TYPING ANGLE : 6˚
- FRONT HEIGHT : 16.5mm , 17.3mm , ETF(EKH) : 20.5mm // (https://discord.com/channels/743801649377574924/790517450198351872/798557728620544000)
- MATERIAL
: TOP,BOTTOM CASES - A6063-T6
: INNER, OUTER WEIGHTS - BRASS
: PLATE - A5052-H32 , BRASS
- WEIGHT(UNBUILT) - 2.1kg



INCLUDE
- CASES (TOP,BOTTOM)
- WEIGHTS (INNER, OUTER) - BRASS / GLASS BEAD SAND BLAST / CERAMIC COATED(21.04.21 UPDATE)
- PLATE (ALUMINIUM , FR4)
- BAG (1680D)
- SUEDE FABRIC

EXCLUDE
- PCB
1. 87 , 88 -> SOLDERABLE PCB - 40~45USD
2. F12 86 LAYOUT -> HOTSWAP PCB - 55~60USD
3. F12 87 WK LAYOUT -> HOTSWAP PCB
4. F13 TSANGAN LAYOUT -> HOTSWAP PCB

- Most TKL PCB are compatible including h87c and h88c, if the usb port is in the left corner and Top
: Compatible PCB - H87C, H88C , Fave87C , Equalz B87c , Suo87c (TX) , Snowpro87c , Infinity87c



COLOR
SILVER , BLACK , DARK GREEN

NAVY, PURPLE, BURGUNDY , RED - Colors to be produce



PICTURE

- The Feet is pressure fit in method , material is silicon. comes in three different colors, Black , Silver and Leather brown for Dark green Frog Tkl.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/822297320145289246/DSC00809.JPG)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/822297324578537482/DSC00810.JPG)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/822297336037900298/DSC00813.JPG)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778230953708486687/840940749930627132/image0-8.jpg?width=676&height=676)



PLATE

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/819826132319862784/unknown.png)



PCB 87/88

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/829198374145753098/20210407_133421.jpg)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/829232928088915978/unknown.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/829234506208247828/unknown.png)



TADPOLE MOUNT

- The Tadpole is silicon material and comes in two different hardnesses, 80a is a standard and 50a available as an option.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/806834316948537344/frogpin.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/806833654840033311/pintopm2.png)

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/806833633812807710/pintopm1.png)



SUPPORTED LAYOUTS

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790517450198351872/806109121371570186/unknown.png)

- All Hotswappable PCB will apply Per Key RGB



MEDIA

Build Streaming by me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJrsAuJs2pk)

Type Test

Dark Jade Moyu black (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Q7i41I-Iw)

Cherry Hyperglide Black (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4Wejxs8psM)



IC FORM (https://forms.gle/qzc5sHXaGJhrNKEq6)

DISCORD (https://discord.gg/geon)

More Detail (https://geon.works/FROG-TKL-e763c2dbfe524a75a8e5f9c094ade835)


- Specs and Schedules



High-definition Photography by Markerchun
Markerchun's Website (https://markerchun.com/geonworks-frog)



- Special thanks to of_Sam who gave this board a good name, Blacksimon,Keynions and Keyrung who helped me a lot with prototype builds , Markerchun who gave a better opinion than a insane picture , And Glare who is doing good everything by my side


Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: mvkb on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:12:40
In.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: LaserCrafter on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:12:46
i love geon
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: unknownh on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:12:54
king
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Post by: geonworks on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:12:59
omg
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: LaserCrafter on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:13:45
all hail geon
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Bunn3y on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:14:21
🐸
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: ilikerustoo on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:14:27
I'm in
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Post by: paulgali on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:15:22
Wait the post detail missing. Still WTB  :D
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Badmutha on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:15:35
yes
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Post by: blacksimon on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:16:10
I will buy 169 units, thanks
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: itsundone on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:16:30
Great IC lol



Jokes aside, im in


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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Pontus on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:17:13
I can’t wait ;D
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Juan. on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:17:39
will there be a toad variation of this?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: $W4GK!NG on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:17:55
frog so lit
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: geonworks on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:19:05
I'm sorry that I'm not used to using GEEKHACK
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Afresh on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:19:12
oh yes
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: herfalerf on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:20:17
Very much hope I can actually get one of these.


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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: piit79 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:20:48
More pictures please!

But a (relatively) cheap TKL? I'm most probably in.

Edit: thought there were no pics, but I see there's one. It's not showing in Tapatalk.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: xjchew on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:21:01
10 please


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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: heyimpanda on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:21:31
frog
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Fe on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:21:54
i love geon
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: AstralYT on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:22:48
Will there be a 60% with the similar design? I would love a 60% with design elements translated from frog or even the F1-8X.

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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Ulliam on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:22:53
you had me at Frog, I'm in.
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Post by: Sirhcel on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:23:14
ribbit ribbit

Definitely in
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: cheezayy on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:29:44
Daddy geon yes please

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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: kelabo on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:30:33
want
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: victorpre on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:38:49
Thank you for doing this to the community!
Any ideas about vendors in the different regions? Or are the boards all shipping from Korea?

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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: BapoDonu on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:40:46
Bless frog daddy
Ne pink frog avail?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:46:50
Geondaddy I'll buy anything you sell Gachigasm
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Post by: whirlwind on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:51:39
:simpgeon: :simpgeon: :simpgeon:
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Post by: Surefoot on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:52:06
I see dark green, i'm in.
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Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Mon, 17 May 2021, 02:53:00
SimpGeon SimpGeon SimpGeon
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Post by: I_V_I on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:01:44
I'll get one for me. And then ill get one for my mom. I will then tell all my friends about it and hope they get this, because its an amazing pricing.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: qats on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:04:11
:petthegeon: very nice
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: danawanb on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:11:38
hello frog
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Rooke-Design on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:13:31
Man, that front chamfer looks really nice.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: misswaffle on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:25:36
Frog pog
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: 7equals7 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:33:59
can’t say no to this beautiful board. In for a green frog
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: P103 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:38:09
Make custom great again.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: kimchijody on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:45:47
DON'T CONSIDER JUST BUY
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: TimKeyLess on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:46:34
Sign me up frog daddy
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: proelio on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:49:05
Thanks Geon, very cool
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: equinoxe7 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:52:20
all hail frog daddy
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: nordhelle on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:56:40
Me like Frog :)
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: mawli on Mon, 17 May 2021, 03:59:29
Take my money frog daddy
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: kdam39 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:13:33
All my money is yours
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: chowbabyloving on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:18:06
Green looks great...
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Idod on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:23:14
I will murder many people for the chance to just see that green one in person

uhhhhhhh, I mean yes, I love green frog
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Shiba1337 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:29:39
🐸
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Post by: Fnzzy on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:51:47
Yes give I buy
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: geonworks on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:52:05
Wait the post detail missing. Still WTB  :D
I'm sorry I confused the preview and save
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: geonworks on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:53:09
will there be a toad variation of this?
frog mini will be
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: NightRye_ on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:53:38
You're a legend Geon. Keep up the work!

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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: TibtibThePrincess on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:54:10
✨f r o g ✨
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: shima on Mon, 17 May 2021, 04:59:36
oh man  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: 7empest on Mon, 17 May 2021, 05:02:09
yesssssssssssssss
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: low_key_keyboards on Mon, 17 May 2021, 05:07:40
Geon please have my tadpoles!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: leanne on Mon, 17 May 2021, 05:13:08
So excited! Especially for the navy 🐸
Thank you, Geon 😊
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: puppydork on Mon, 17 May 2021, 05:29:06
yes yes yes yes!!  Geon is love.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Zurg Eon on Mon, 17 May 2021, 05:31:54
easiest yes of my life
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: garald on Mon, 17 May 2021, 05:44:11
Quote
PLATE - A5052-H32 , BRASS

Is there a separate brass plate that can be purchased? Seeing that only Alu and FR4 are in the "Include" section.

FROG
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: rsrogers4 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 06:10:46
Will there be a 60% with the similar design? I would love a 60% with design elements translated from frog or even the F1-8X.

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You can see this site for the ones in the pipeline - https://geon.works/. Looks like they have a 65% in the pipeline.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bachoo on Mon, 17 May 2021, 06:34:02
I love geon
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: hayt on Mon, 17 May 2021, 06:42:50
This looks like possibly the nicest, and most accessible keyboard GB I’ve ever seen. Looking forward to owning one!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: mech0nly on Mon, 17 May 2021, 06:42:56
just take my money
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 17 May 2021, 06:43:58
beautiful work
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: aethernet on Mon, 17 May 2021, 07:07:06
yesssssss
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: UGunaLOSE on Mon, 17 May 2021, 07:25:32
Oh now that's noice!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Visionaire on Mon, 17 May 2021, 07:53:03
Would love to see you engrave the Geon logo by the arrow cluster where others are putting your sticker.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: o3okevin on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:08:06
i love geon and geon accessories
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bub on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:08:19
hi geon, i can't wait!

i am worried resellers are going to take interest in the frog, and bots will become an issue when restocks happen. hopefully over time this won't be an issue, but the first few restocks might be frustrating for enthusiasts. will swagkeys do anything to prevent this from happening?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: vaf1en on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:21:17
Filled in the IC, but I will echo it here, please consider adding an EU vendor.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: kiyoboard on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:24:10
In for green :D
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: geonworks on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:24:22
hi geon, i can't wait!

i am worried resellers are going to take interest in the frog, and bots will become an issue when restocks happen. hopefully over time this won't be an issue, but the first few restocks might be frustrating for enthusiasts. will swagkeys do anything to prevent this from happening?
Well, if there's a good way, share it to me.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Gepriester on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:32:36
Nice keyboard! Can you tell if it's compatible with PCBs like H88 or other hiney PCBs?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: darthcapn on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:36:36
Frog daddy is best daddy

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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: sirieous on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:49:15
You love to see it

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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Tiff0 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:49:33
You are the hero we need.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: iinko_mk on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:54:57
gib froggy, so hot
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: CaptainVinceO2 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 08:57:14
Ribbit ribbit ~ Frog
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: guill3m on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:04:03
The first drops are going to be a bloodbath, looking forward to failing to get one every single time, glad you are planning to continiously produce this board.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:16:32
thank you geon very cool hopefully i can get one and not pay $600 for one on the aftermarket
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: EpicN on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:22:34
easy yes
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: mixistor on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:24:02
frog is the way
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: noodleman on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:39:52
i love geon and geon accessories!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:41:31
Taking into account you are offering ISO, having a EU Vendor would be a must, or have Swagkeys use a proxy country in EU.

Buying from Swagkeys and importing it to EU, for most countries means paying 2x the price.

But the board looks amazing.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: keyboard_mcm on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:48:11
Ribbit
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Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:49:12
poggers
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:54:25
🐸
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: SolidCactus on Mon, 17 May 2021, 09:54:37
Fantastic work! Very excited to try and grab one.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: RA Can on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:01:57
🐸 thanks frog daddy
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: geonworks on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:04:51
Taking into account you are offering ISO, having a EU Vendor would be a must, or have Swagkeys use a proxy country in EU.

Buying from Swagkeys and importing it to EU, for most countries means paying 2x the price.

But the board looks amazing.
Why do you guys have to pay twice as much?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:06:06
Why do you guys have to pay twice as much?

Likely import fees, taxes, shipping, and other stuff that you might get charged
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: geonworks on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:13:24
Why do you guys have to pay twice as much?

Likely import fees, taxes, shipping, and other stuff that you might get charged
How much import fee and tax do you pay for the $300 keyboard? Aren't fees the same for vendors?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:14:57
Taking into account you are offering ISO, having a EU Vendor would be a must, or have Swagkeys use a proxy country in EU.

Buying from Swagkeys and importing it to EU, for most countries means paying 2x the price.

But the board looks amazing.
Why do you guys have to pay twice as much?

Import fees which are payed not only on the board price but the board + shipping. You also get charged handling fee from the courier service, which can range from 20-70 euros depending on dhl or ups or whatever.

This can be avoided by either having a EU store which proxies the board.

Yes a EU Vendor will also have to pay Import fees but its much lower since they get not only a better % on the fee but they also get lower shipping because of having deals with couriers but also being a bigger volume in 1 shipment only.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bub on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:18:23
hi geon, i can't wait!

i am worried resellers are going to take interest in the frog, and bots will become an issue when restocks happen. hopefully over time this won't be an issue, but the first few restocks might be frustrating for enthusiasts. will swagkeys do anything to prevent this from happening?
Well, if there's a good way, share it to me.

i've seen a couple of creative things:

Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:23:46
Why do you guys have to pay twice as much?

Likely import fees, taxes, shipping, and other stuff that you might get charged
How much import fee and tax do you pay for the $300 keyboard? Aren't fees the same for vendors?

So with 22% fees which is the average for most EU countries with some extremes with 8% and others with much higher values.

Lets say shipping is 100/150 dollar which is normal during this time for a heavy shipment. For the F1 drop from apex to EU that was about it.

That would mean you are paying 300 for the board, 100/150 for shipping and 88/99 on import fees, + the handling fee which depends on the courier but its between 25-85 , and sometimes storage fees from customs which are like 15. In total you payed 300 for the board + 283 dollars on average in shipping+fees.

With a EU vendor, the board is a bit higher priced obviously, normally for a 300 dollar board, the board in EU is 300-310 euros, and you save on shipping and all of the imports and handling fees.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: spedywin on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:30:44
gaw dayum thats hot
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Kyeori on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:31:47
Great to see an IC made for this. Been following this project for a long time Geon. Keep up the good work! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: guill3m on Mon, 17 May 2021, 10:43:10
Why do you guys have to pay twice as much?

Likely import fees, taxes, shipping, and other stuff that you might get charged
How much import fee and tax do you pay for the $300 keyboard? Aren't fees the same for vendors?

For Germany that would be 19% VAT plus another 17.5% Import tax (caculated on the price after VAT).
So for a total of board + shipping of 400 USD (285 board + 45 PCB + 70 shipping to get a round number): 400*1.19*1.175-400 = 159.3 USD in VAT + Imports, plus likely another 25 EUR on top as "handling fee" from DHL

Having an EU vendor I would assume a price close to 1USD = 1EUR or slightly more, still cheaper than paying those import fees, and probably cheaper shipping.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Ustinj on Mon, 17 May 2021, 11:36:35
King 🐸
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: despairsray on Mon, 17 May 2021, 12:11:30
Been ready. Ready to grab one with a 50a.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Fnzzy on Mon, 17 May 2021, 12:15:02
Why do you guys have to pay twice as much?

Likely import fees, taxes, shipping, and other stuff that you might get charged
How much import fee and tax do you pay for the $300 keyboard? Aren't fees the same for vendors?

I will come up with yet another calculation. It's likely that I won't be able to join round 1 so let's assume the board is $300 + $50 pcb + $50 shipping to Germany that's a $400 purchase. After arriving in Germany it gets slapped on a 19% tax which is about $75 and on top of that a handling fee. DHL takes around 6€ last time I imported, FedEx takes around 16€ or so. So that $300 keyboard is easily around $500 after everything is said and done.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Que7797 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 13:02:30
Hell. Yea.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: TibtibThePrincess on Mon, 17 May 2021, 13:04:05
Why do you guys have to pay twice as much?

Likely import fees, taxes, shipping, and other stuff that you might get charged
How much import fee and tax do you pay for the $300 keyboard? Aren't fees the same for vendors?

I will come up with yet another calculation. It's likely that I won't be able to join round 1 so let's assume the board is $300 + $50 pcb + $50 shipping to Germany that's a $400 purchase. After arriving in Germany it gets slapped on a 19% tax which is about $75 and on top of that a handling fee. DHL takes around 6€ last time I imported, FedEx takes around 16€ or so. So that $300 keyboard is easily around $500 after everything is said and done.

Same for me I was really excited for this board because $330 for a board like this sounds pretty good but like other said shipping and import fees to EU would make it almost twice as expensive.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: keyboard_mcm on Mon, 17 May 2021, 13:28:27
It sounds like following:

EU End user buying from EU vendor:

EU End user buying from non EU vendor:

I have further questions to people from EU.
Since the EU vendor have higher cost of shipping fee from the manufacturer, EU vendor price will be more expensive.
If non-EU vendor price is $300 and EU vendor price is $400, then is buying from EU vendor still cheaper?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Avishay on Mon, 17 May 2021, 13:36:40
the god himself, definitely in 🐸
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 17 May 2021, 13:51:19
It sounds like following:

EU End user buying from EU vendor:
  • EU Vendor Price
  • EU-EU Shipping Price
  • EU VAT Price on (EU Vendor Price)

EU End user buying from non EU vendor:
  • non-EU Vendor Price
  • non-EU Shipping Price
  • EU Import Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price)
  • EU VAT Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price)

I have further questions to people from EU.
Since the EU vendor have higher cost of shipping fee from the manufacturer, EU vendor price will be more expensive.
If non-EU vendor price is $300 and EU vendor price is $400, then is buying from EU vendor still cheaper?

You can check from past GBs even low quantity GBs, and the price is never like that. If the board is 300$ on non-EU vendor, its normally 300€.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: slg1993 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:09:21
HYPE
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Zach on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:12:13
🐸 nice
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Ciantha on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:13:08
It sounds like following:

EU End user buying from EU vendor:
  • EU Vendor Price
  • EU-EU Shipping Price
  • EU VAT Price on (EU Vendor Price)


EU End user buying from non EU vendor:
  • non-EU Vendor Price
  • non-EU Shipping Price
  • EU Import Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price)
  • EU VAT Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price)

I have further questions to people from EU.
Since the EU vendor have higher cost of shipping fee from the manufacturer, EU vendor price will be more expensive.
If non-EU vendor price is $300 and EU vendor price is $400, then is buying from EU vendor still cheaper?

The name of the game is shipping. You pay VAT on shipping when importing so 100 usd shipping adds 120-125 to price (VAT is usually betwen 20% and 25%).
A 300 dollar board + 100 dollar shipping is 400. Times 1.25 for VAT (Sweden has high VAT) is 500 and then you add an extra 20 for customs clearance so 520 final price. So yes, paying a vendor 400 with maybe 30 usd shipping would still save me 90usd.

A vendor has cheaper shipping per unit and spreads the clearance fee (though generally a higher clearance fee) between multiple orders.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: keyboard_mcm on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:27:35
You can check from past GBs even low quantity GBs, and the price is never like that. If the board is 300$ on non-EU vendor, its normally 300€.


The name of the game is shipping. You pay VAT on shipping when importing so 100 usd shipping adds 120-125 to price (VAT is usually betwen 20% and 25%).
A 300 dollar board + 100 dollar shipping is 400. Times 1.25 for VAT (Sweden has high VAT) is 500 and then you add an extra 20 for customs clearance so 520 final price. So yes, paying a vendor 400 with maybe 30 usd shipping would still save me 90usd.

A vendor has cheaper shipping per unit and spreads the clearance fee (though generally a higher clearance fee) between multiple orders.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
So, it looks like about $30 - 80 difference if there were just a EU vendor.
Let me know if the below calculation is wrong.

EU End user buying from EU vendor:
Total: $365 + $30 + $60 = $455

EU End user buying from non EU vendor:
Total: $300 + $100 + $80 + $25 = $505
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:38:00
You can check from past GBs even low quantity GBs, and the price is never like that. If the board is 300$ on non-EU vendor, its normally 300€.


The name of the game is shipping. You pay VAT on shipping when importing so 100 usd shipping adds 120-125 to price (VAT is usually betwen 20% and 25%).
A 300 dollar board + 100 dollar shipping is 400. Times 1.25 for VAT (Sweden has high VAT) is 500 and then you add an extra 20 for customs clearance so 520 final price. So yes, paying a vendor 400 with maybe 30 usd shipping would still save me 90usd.

A vendor has cheaper shipping per unit and spreads the clearance fee (though generally a higher clearance fee) between multiple orders.


Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
So, it looks like about $30 - 80 difference if there were just a EU vendor.
Let me know if the below calculation is wrong.

EU End user buying from EU vendor:
  • EU Vendor Price: $365
  • EU-EU Shipping Price: $30
  • EU VAT Price on (EU Vendor Price): $300 * 20% = $60
Total: $365 + $30 + $60 = $455

EU End user buying from non EU vendor:
  • non-EU Vendor Price: $300
  • non-EU Shipping Price: $100
  • EU Import Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price): $0 according to my search from http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs/customs_duties/tariff_aspects/customs_tariff/index_en.htm (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs/customs_duties/tariff_aspects/customs_tariff/index_en.htm)
  • EU VAT Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price): ($300 + $100) * 20% = $80
  • EU Custom Handling Fee: $25
Total: $300 + $100 + $80 + $25 = $505

I'm not 100% sure on how the calculation is on the side of the EU vendor, but I can assure you the difference is not 80 dollars.

Lets say Mykeyboardeu was proxying it in EU, what normally happens is that if the board is 285 USD on US vendor, the board is 285 EUR on EU vendor.

So you would pay the 285 + shipping which in case of mykeyboardeu its a flat rate of 13 euros i think so in total you would pay around 365 after conversion to USD.

Compared to the 505 USD you did the math on (which is correct)
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: keyboard_mcm on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:41:41
I'm not 100% sure on how the calculation is on the side of the EU vendor, but I can assure you the difference is not 80 dollars.

You said the $300 non EU vendor and 300 euro EU vendor.
300 euro roughly equals to 365 USD.
What other costs am I missing?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:46:48
I'm not 100% sure on how the calculation is on the side of the EU vendor, but I can assure you the difference is not 80 dollars.

You said the $300 non EU vendor and 300 euro EU vendor.
300 euro roughly equals to 365 USD.
What other costs am I missing?

The price the EU vendor sells it for (the 300 euro, 365 USD in your example) already includes the VAT.

What I am saying is from experience from actually buying stuff in EU and comparing to what I would pay from US. I don't know exactly how EU vendors can reach that price as yes they do pay the same import fees as personal imports but they can spread the import fees through the whole shipment.

If I buy anything from a EU vendor at this very moment, VAT is included.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: keyboard_mcm on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:53:06
Understood. Sounds like EU vendors are reducing the VAT for EU customers with the cost of bulk shipment cost.
This is interesting because I've seen some vendors in US charge sales tax, but some doesn't.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: guill3m on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:54:35
Quote
EU Import Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price): $0 according to my search

This would not be correct. A commercial shipment (buying something online) will not pay import fees (only VAT) if its value (that includes shipping paid) is under 150 EUR. For anything above 150 is where things get ugly: one would pay VAT and Import Taxes. While the exact percentages for VAT and Import Tax vary from country to country, the 150 EUR value to charge import tax is the same for all EU.

One can always be lucky and not getting they package checked and thus avoiding paying anything, in my experience those cases are not the norm and only a few lower value items fly under the radar.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: guill3m on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:56:06
Understood. Sounds like EU vendors are reducing the VAT for EU customers with the cost of bulk shipment cost.
This is interesting because I've seen some vendors in US charge sales tax, but some doesn't.

Also because they are paying import taxes based on the manufacturer price and not the retail price.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 17 May 2021, 14:57:36
Quote
EU Import Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price): $0 according to my search

This would not be correct. A commercial shipment (buying something online) will not pay import fees (only VAT) if its value (that includes shipping paid) is under 150 EUR. For anything above 150 is where things get ugly: one would pay VAT and Import Taxes. While the exact percentages for VAT and Import Tax vary from country to country, the 150 EUR value to charge import tax is the same for all EU.

One can always be lucky and not getting they package checked and thus avoiding paying anything, in my experience those cases are not the norm and only a few lower value items fly under the radar.

Its not the same in all EU, its 22 euro for Portugal for example, and it is going to change to 0 euro soon.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: guill3m on Mon, 17 May 2021, 15:01:19
Quote
EU Import Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price): $0 according to my search

This would not be correct. A commercial shipment (buying something online) will not pay import fees (only VAT) if its value (that includes shipping paid) is under 150 EUR. For anything above 150 is where things get ugly: one would pay VAT and Import Taxes. While the exact percentages for VAT and Import Tax vary from country to country, the 150 EUR value to charge import tax is the same for all EU.

One can always be lucky and not getting they package checked and thus avoiding paying anything, in my experience those cases are not the norm and only a few lower value items fly under the radar.

Its not the same in all EU, its 22 euro for Portugal for example, and it is going to change to 0 euro soon.

Less than €22 you don’t pay anything.
Between 22 and 150 you only pay VAT.
Above 150 you pay VAT and Import Tax.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: keyboard_mcm on Mon, 17 May 2021, 15:03:20
Quote
EU Import Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price): $0 according to my search

This would not be correct. A commercial shipment (buying something online) will not pay import fees (only VAT) if its value (that includes shipping paid) is under 150 EUR. For anything above 150 is where things get ugly: one would pay VAT and Import Taxes. While the exact percentages for VAT and Import Tax vary from country to country, the 150 EUR value to charge import tax is the same for all EU.

One can always be lucky and not getting they package checked and thus avoiding paying anything, in my experience those cases are not the norm and only a few lower value items fly under the radar.

Understood. Sounds like EU vendors are reducing the VAT for EU customers with the cost of bulk shipment cost.
This is interesting because I've seen some vendors in US charge sales tax, but some doesn't.

Also because they are paying import taxes based on the manufacturer price and not the retail price.

From my experience with other B2B goods, the import tax rate is only dependent on the HS code.
It shouldn't matter whether you are a commercial or non-commercial entity.
I can't look up the EU site right now, but HS code for the keyboard is 8471.60, which seems to be 0% in my 5 min. Google search.
I could be wrong on the import tax percentage, but it's going to only apply to the keyboard not the shipping.

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&SimDate=20210517&Area=&MeasType=&StartPub=&EndPub=&MeasText=&GoodsText=&op=&Taric=847160&search_text=goods&textSearch=&LangDescr=en&OrderNum=&Regulation=&measStartDat=&measEndDat=
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: guill3m on Mon, 17 May 2021, 15:12:10
Edited: anyway, there is no point to continue: it is more convenient and generally cheaper for EU customers to buy from an EU vendor. In the end it is for the GB runner to decide where and how to run it and the margins can affect this decision. Personally I’ll be looking to buy this board regardless if it is from an EU vendor or from Swagkeys.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 17 May 2021, 15:41:22
I think Geon is my friend but I'm not sure yet.  We haven't talked enough.  :'(
Uhh the keyboard is nice   I like top  mount

  and it's Geon he knows what he is doing  So you can buy it and feel happy with your purchase.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Jefff on Mon, 17 May 2021, 17:29:49
frog so lit, geon so lit
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Tree_ on Mon, 17 May 2021, 18:41:52
Need to see the purple, but for the price probably in.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 17 May 2021, 19:24:08
super excited, love the massive amount of boards you'll have available and the great price point. definitely going to be going for one in the upcoming months, love how i'm in no rush to grab one either.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: naasfu on Mon, 17 May 2021, 21:06:21
frog looks great. and the price and the goal of making this available for everyone is awesome. definitely interested.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: MiguelFg on Tue, 18 May 2021, 00:14:58
Another EU buyer here, sadly I want the board so bad, but I'm not able to spend double the prize to ship it from Korea. I hope in future rounds you could add some EU vendor on the mix. There's a whole other market there.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Chuuu on Tue, 18 May 2021, 00:46:31
i love geon
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Iksion on Tue, 18 May 2021, 01:34:45
So it will be up on 21.05, am I right?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: LOLWK on Tue, 18 May 2021, 01:53:31
Love everything about this. Please make green a standard color released in every batch.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Lysol_ on Tue, 18 May 2021, 02:25:47
 i will simp for geon
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Firahlol on Tue, 18 May 2021, 02:58:39
EU buyer here, Germany.
I really want to buy this, but considering there's no EU proxy, I am looking at +500 USD due to VAT + Import tax + clearance and other smaller fees...which makes me a very sad frog :(
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: nikotypo on Tue, 18 May 2021, 03:07:37
+1 for acquiring an EU vendor for the next round!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Sck on Tue, 18 May 2021, 03:09:58
The hero we needed but not deserve, Geon.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: MeisterGrinsepo on Tue, 18 May 2021, 03:14:20
Quote
EU Import Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price): $0 according to my search

This would not be correct. A commercial shipment (buying something online) will not pay import fees (only VAT) if its value (that includes shipping paid) is under 150 EUR. For anything above 150 is where things get ugly: one would pay VAT and Import Taxes. While the exact percentages for VAT and Import Tax vary from country to country, the 150 EUR value to charge import tax is the same for all EU.

One can always be lucky and not getting they package checked and thus avoiding paying anything, in my experience those cases are not the norm and only a few lower value items fly under the radar.

There is no import tax / zoll for keyboard parts tho
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Fnzzy on Tue, 18 May 2021, 06:14:28
Hey Geon if you can secure me a Frog spot I'll buy the damn thing and tell you all how much I paid getting it to Germany. Deal?

(https://p.kindpng.com/picc/s/172-1729510_dr-cool-jasper-png-download-sunglasses-emoji-meme.png)
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: vaporhollic on Tue, 18 May 2021, 06:57:40
Im in, no doubt.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: peaceperfection on Tue, 18 May 2021, 07:43:09
<3 Love you Geon, can't wait for this. (I will gladly donate $5 to you on Onlyfans).
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Firahlol on Tue, 18 May 2021, 07:55:15
Quote
EU Import Fee on (non-EU Vendor Price + non-EU shipping price): $0 according to my search

This would not be correct. A commercial shipment (buying something online) will not pay import fees (only VAT) if its value (that includes shipping paid) is under 150 EUR. For anything above 150 is where things get ugly: one would pay VAT and Import Taxes. While the exact percentages for VAT and Import Tax vary from country to country, the 150 EUR value to charge import tax is the same for all EU.

One can always be lucky and not getting they package checked and thus avoiding paying anything, in my experience those cases are not the norm and only a few lower value items fly under the radar.

There is no import tax / zoll for keyboard parts tho

Can you share the information source?
I paid import tax for my gat inks v2 from KBDfans.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Reebes on Tue, 18 May 2021, 09:16:48
Board looks sweeeet. Concerned about Canuck prices but we’ll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: NRbigfoot on Tue, 18 May 2021, 11:12:04
Frog looks great, no way am I passing on this one! Thank you for wanting to produce this volume of boards.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: brln on Tue, 18 May 2021, 11:45:36
Another EU customer here. I would also highly appreciate a EU vendor.
Nevertheless, super relaxing to see one might actually get a board of this quality. Excited for purple!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: bansheetango on Tue, 18 May 2021, 12:10:56
+1 for EU  :)
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: catamscott on Tue, 18 May 2021, 12:17:28
based geon
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: ENG Studio on Tue, 18 May 2021, 12:19:59
Geon's stuff is simply the best.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Gepriester on Tue, 18 May 2021, 13:34:02
As an EU customer: I'd rather buy from a proxy shop in the EU instead of oversea, because it's clear what I pay.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: kawhi on Tue, 18 May 2021, 14:47:13
red and burgundy options, fantastic. really looking forward to that release
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: cwaaar on Tue, 18 May 2021, 15:56:21
Please give EU proxy Geon  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: SDKCAMPING on Tue, 18 May 2021, 17:26:03
Time to find out what the hype behind this layout is... i got into mechnical keyboards so I could get away from this layout and try the 65 and 75 layout but I might come back full circle seeing how popular TKLs are again %^^
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Dyto69 on Wed, 19 May 2021, 03:46:08
Thank you for this frog daddy
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: MisterPooter on Wed, 19 May 2021, 09:34:41
Geon = YES
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: JKKEEBS on Wed, 19 May 2021, 11:22:39
Suddenly want tadpoles in my mouth...
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: korne on Wed, 19 May 2021, 13:58:37
+1 for EU vendor please!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: geonworks on Thu, 20 May 2021, 01:22:53
Please give EU proxy Geon  :cool:

+1 for EU  :)

As an EU customer: I'd rather buy from a proxy shop in the EU instead of oversea, because it's clear what I pay.

+1 for EU vendor please!

Another EU customer here. I would also highly appreciate a EU vendor.
Nevertheless, super relaxing to see one might actually get a board of this quality. Excited for purple!

+1 for EU vendor please!

I will think about EU vendor again after 3~4 months of sales from Korean vendor to EU.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: prettydouchebag on Thu, 20 May 2021, 10:47:02
Such a great price point for such an awe-inspiring TKL.

Cannot wait to see these in the hands of the people who want them.

GEON GOAT'd
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: brln on Thu, 20 May 2021, 10:55:57
Only 3~4 of waiting for EU Customers? Great to hear! Thanks geon.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Kekkles on Thu, 20 May 2021, 12:48:36
Frog me up
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: aaaa on Thu, 20 May 2021, 15:39:16
will there only be a korean vendor or will there be other vendors  like a north american/canadian vendor as well?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Bl4ck on Thu, 20 May 2021, 16:02:30
Only 3~4 of waiting for EU Customers? Great to hear! Thanks geon.

hopefully, skipped some tkls waiting for this :)

A good solution for it would maybe do it GB style for EU people? As it being in-stock is most likely one of the problems of having an EU vendor.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Clay333 on Thu, 20 May 2021, 18:42:30
I am honestly not a fan of TKLs, but damn this is nice. I may have to pick one up. That mounting system looks like it could be very promising while being similar to the basic top mount.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: kure_ on Thu, 20 May 2021, 19:38:00
when does the part where we crown geon come in.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: piit79 on Fri, 21 May 2021, 02:15:05


I will think about EU vendor again after 3~4 months of sales from Korean vendor to EU.

Pity. While I respect your decision, that will spoil the board for many EU enthusiasts. Oh well, can't have everything :)
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
Post by: Tarnoks on Fri, 21 May 2021, 03:45:47
Please give EU proxy Geon  :cool:

+1 for EU  :)

As an EU customer: I'd rather buy from a proxy shop in the EU instead of oversea, because it's clear what I pay.

+1 for EU vendor please!

Another EU customer here. I would also highly appreciate a EU vendor.
Nevertheless, super relaxing to see one might actually get a board of this quality. Excited for purple!

+1 for EU vendor please!

I will think about EU vendor again after 3~4 months of sales from Korean vendor to EU.

Maybe for the F2-8x?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: bansheetango on Fri, 21 May 2021, 06:04:50
@geonworks Please keep in mind that direct sales from Korea vendor to EU won't necessarily be relevant, some of the EU folk won't order from non-EU vendors, imports and taxes being a hassle in some countries.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 21 May 2021, 06:14:43
@geonworks Please keep in mind that direct sales from Korea vendor to EU won't necessarily be relevant, some of the EU folk won't order from non-EU vendors, imports and taxes being a hassle in some countries.

this is 100% true.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Firahlol on Fri, 21 May 2021, 07:43:33
@geonworks Please keep in mind that direct sales from Korea vendor to EU won't necessarily be relevant, some of the EU folk won't order from non-EU vendors, imports and taxes being a hassle in some countries.

Agree.

As much as I really want to get this board, paying ~550 USD seems too high for me, because, for this price, the expectations are totally different.
Add the customs variable into account, the fact that you might have to drive 50-400 km to the customs office (depending on where you live), that's another 30-100USD for gas.

Let's see, maybe at the end of the year, we might get a chance from an EU vendor for a decent price.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: dalunk on Sun, 23 May 2021, 15:33:28
Buy frog
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: MightyMatti on Mon, 24 May 2021, 03:04:13
+1 for EU
I am also willing to take it at a higher price from Korea  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 24 May 2021, 03:07:45
+1 for EU vendor

Board looks stunning. Great job.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: The0rigina1 on Mon, 24 May 2021, 07:26:11
Froggers?
Kroggers?

I'd buy this but I'd probably wait, so the newcomers can buy this first as their first board.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Fraaaan on Mon, 24 May 2021, 11:17:48
+1 for EU proxy.

The Frog is meant to be an affordable board for new enthusiasts and the price just doesn't reflect that after shipping from Korea, import duties and VAT.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: RoyalOak88 on Mon, 24 May 2021, 11:41:08
+1 for EU proxy.

The Frog is meant to be an affordable board for new enthusiasts and the price just doesn't reflect that after shipping from Korea, import duties and VAT.

Agree.
+1 for EU
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: zea on Mon, 24 May 2021, 19:57:15
love you frog daddy geon, also please consider adding a south american vendor like fancy customs, would love to get a frog from them <3
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: tngpq on Mon, 24 May 2021, 20:07:44
Not being a douche but it's not Geon's responsibility to resolve the high customs EU forces on imports. Even if EU gets a vendor, price will not be at the level of the Asian or NA vendor unless the vendor is willing to operate at a very very thin margin. He mentioned on stream that he did the calculation and once you factor in the EU vendor's margin, going through an EU vendor doesn't save cost for the end consumer compared to selling through the Korean vendor for EU customers. So there's that.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: cfox21 on Tue, 25 May 2021, 06:27:58
Even with an EU vendor there is still VAT to pay so it won't become as cheap as NA/Asia. Shipping will be cheaper though
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: phinix on Tue, 25 May 2021, 10:28:40
Buying it straight fromKorea, we would need to add around 30% for customs and VAT, right?

Another question - is there any compatible pcb that would have rgb and hot swap?
I'm not an expert in those pcb acronyms.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 25 May 2021, 10:49:44
Guys buying domestically or whatever doesn’t magically exempt you from paying taxes
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: phinix on Tue, 25 May 2021, 13:22:12
Guys buying domestically or whatever doesn’t magically exempt you from paying taxes
Yeah, that's right. Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Bl4ck on Tue, 25 May 2021, 13:28:32
Guys buying domestically or whatever doesn’t magically exempt you from paying taxes
Yeah, that's right. Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...

Then you are clearly not an EU customer.

I think non-EU people that are saying we making it a super big problem for no reason, you don't really understand, VAT itself is not the problem, I would gladly pay swagkeys price + vat if it was only that but its not, as it has been explained in detail both here and geon's discord.

Also for EU people, Geon already said he will think about it for future runs so... that's already appreciated.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Cowmovie4 on Tue, 25 May 2021, 14:14:12
Very cool keyboard, may have to buy one and put handarbeit on it  :cool: I know its probably not the most popular but split backspace hotswap would be very very cool.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 25 May 2021, 15:11:11
Guys buying domestically or whatever doesn’t magically exempt you from paying taxes
Yeah, that's right. Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...
Then you are clearly not an EU customer.
Sorry I didn’t go far enough back to see the explanations. Paying tax twice seems silly, unlucky to be in EU I guess.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: MiguelFg on Tue, 25 May 2021, 16:17:35
People think it's about the VAT and it's not, we already know that we will pay that on a EU vendor anyways, the convinience of having an EU proxy is specially not dealing with other extra taxes or charges some companies ''magically'' add to the mix with the excuse of "administrative expenses" or something like that, companies like DHL, UPS and others are so scummy when you receive a package from ASIA or USA to EU, they will do whatever they want to make you pay extra money because If you don't comply, you won't get the package.

Also the risk of losing the package during traveling is minimized if you have a proxy in EU, no extra charges, no major risks of losing the package... It's not always about saving money.

And the shipping it's not the same, we are individual customers buying 1 maybe 2 products, where as Mykeboard.eu (for example) is a company buying a product in bulk, so they can make deals with courier companies to get shipping discounts or something like that.

I rather pay 14€ to a EU proxy instead of 50€ to a Korean proxy.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Bl4ck on Tue, 25 May 2021, 16:28:44
People think it's about the VAT and it's not, we already know that we will pay that on a EU vendor anyways, the convinience of having an EU proxy is specially not dealing with other extra taxes or charges some companies ''magically'' add to the mix with the excuse of "administrative expenses" or something like that, companies like DHL, UPS and others are so scummy when you receive a package from ASIA or USA to EU, they will do whatever they want to make you pay extra money because If you don't comply, you won't get the package.

Also the risk of losing the package during traveling is minimized if you have a proxy in EU, no extra charges, no major risks of losing the package... It's not always about saving money.

And the shipping it's not the same, we are individual customers buying 1 maybe 2 products, where as Mykeboard.eu (for example) is a company buying a product in bulk, so they can make deals with courier companies to get shipping discounts or something like that.

I rather pay 14€ to a EU proxy instead of 50€ to a Korean proxy.

True, it gets really, really expensive, and the math is not even that clear, you never know exactly how much you are going to end up paying, you unless now the minimum you are going to pay.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Lyle88 on Tue, 25 May 2021, 19:49:33
Will the amount of flex cause issues for the USB port being connected to the main PCB?
I really like the look of this, glwic!

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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Paitupai on Tue, 25 May 2021, 22:45:20
Chiming in the topic of EU vendor. AFAIK when working with vendor, the vendor get some cut/incentive for being the vendor of the product. In this case anyone know whether it'll come from the board maker giving lower price to the vendor or it'll come from the added price the vendor charge to the buyer? If I remember correctly Geon previously shared the comparison of the production cost and the price he gonna selling the board, and he's operating at thin margin. Might be one of reason why no vendor (at least for several first runs).
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: saam on Wed, 26 May 2021, 00:18:08
I want gimme gimme gimme!!!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Lyle88 on Wed, 26 May 2021, 02:44:35
will there be a toad variation of this?
I would love to see a version with the tkl section replaced by a numpad, similar to m0lly.

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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Bl4ck on Wed, 26 May 2021, 05:31:01
Chiming in the topic of EU vendor. AFAIK when working with vendor, the vendor get some cut/incentive for being the vendor of the product. In this case anyone know whether it'll come from the board maker giving lower price to the vendor or it'll come from the added price the vendor charge to the buyer? If I remember correctly Geon previously shared the comparison of the production cost and the price he gonna selling the board, and he's operating at thin margin. Might be one of reason why no vendor (at least for several first runs).

Normally that comes from the vendor selling it at a higher price.

But it also has to do with the price Geon wants to see the board sold for in a way.

And yes, working with such a thin margin is most likely one of the reasons it has no EU vendor.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: lewisflude on Wed, 26 May 2021, 11:29:56
ribbit
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: phinix on Wed, 26 May 2021, 16:08:03
Is there rgb pcb that is compatible with this case?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Techdude594 on Thu, 27 May 2021, 01:55:59
Those future colors look very exciting! Especially purple and burgundy. Great how accessible this board will be! Bit confused by the PCBs though, are the 4 listed options that we will be able to purchase? Or are those pre-existing pcbs that are compatible? If the former is true, great to see hotswap and even RGB  :D
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: ben56k on Thu, 27 May 2021, 04:32:42
totally EU interested for a green one for kerokerokeys. full frog or nothing. I'm really glad to see in stock regularly good keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: bansheetango on Thu, 27 May 2021, 05:58:58
Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...
The point is not having to deal with customs paperwork yourself (in some cases even having to go physically somewhere for this because beaurocracy and paper-pushers) and usually some lower taxes (afaik Germany and some other countries have a lower customs tax for computer parts than others, which means the added cost to the keyboard itself will be lower compared to paying the tax in your own country).
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Adelscott on Thu, 27 May 2021, 07:14:50
Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...
The point is not having to deal with customs paperwork yourself (in some cases even having to go physically somewhere for this because beaurocracy and paper-pushers) and usually some lower taxes (afaik Germany and some other countries have a lower customs tax for computer parts than others, which means the added cost to the keyboard itself will be lower compared to paying the tax in your own country).

And don't forget tariff errors : I paid tariff for an Austin sent by IlumKB because Louis didn't put the right nomenclature. In fact he didn't put anything else than "Aluminium KEYBOARD Case" so DHL instead of retaining the reference "Keyboard" (0% tariff) retained "aluminium" (6% tarifff) : 7616999099 (https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?op=&MeasText=&Lang=en&StartPub=&Offset=0&Area=SG&GoodsText=&Taric=7616999099&LangDescr=fr&textSearch=&OrderNum=&MeasType=&callbackuri=CBU-0&SimDate=20201116&measEndDat=&EndPub=&measStartDat=&Regulation=&ShowMatchingGoods=&ExpandAll=&search_text=goods).

Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: phinix on Thu, 27 May 2021, 08:40:45
This is pretty TKL case, I wish there was hot swap rgb pcb for it.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: namidettje on Thu, 27 May 2021, 14:18:00
As someone already said, TKL with numpad variant to throw my wallet against it.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: phinix on Thu, 27 May 2021, 17:16:26
Will Apollo87H fit in Frog TKL?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Techdude594 on Fri, 28 May 2021, 18:31:30
This is pretty TKL case, I wish there was hot swap rgb pcb for it.

Check the PCB options, there seems to be hotswap options, and options with RGB too. (Unless I am misinterpreting something)
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Lolipopu on Sat, 29 May 2021, 03:34:39
Good price and design. Absolutely buy
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: phinix on Sat, 29 May 2021, 08:44:26
This is pretty TKL case, I wish there was hot swap rgb pcb for it.

Check the PCB options, there seems to be hotswap options, and options with RGB too. (Unless I am misinterpreting something)

I see hot swap, but where do you see rgb?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 29 May 2021, 09:07:42
I am so curious about which keysets might go with the green one.

Camping? 9009? Something with soft pink? I have a weird premonition that even DSS Late Harvest may look okay on it.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Surefoot on Sat, 29 May 2021, 12:56:38
I am so curious about which keysets might go with the green one.

Camping? 9009? Something with soft pink? I have a weird premonition that even DSS Late Harvest may look okay on it.
GMK British Racing Green :)
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Engedi_ on Sat, 29 May 2021, 13:28:58
I am so curious about which keysets might go with the green one.

Camping? 9009? Something with soft pink? I have a weird premonition that even DSS Late Harvest may look okay on it.

GMK Botanical would work well. Maybe CRP green hebrew?
Also, good eye. DSS Late harvest has earthy tones. It would go well with green
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Gnome on Sat, 29 May 2021, 13:30:33
This is pretty TKL case, I wish there was hot swap rgb pcb for it.

Check the PCB options, there seems to be hotswap options, and options with RGB too. (Unless I am misinterpreting something)

I see hot swap, but where do you see rgb?

If you read on the spacebars in the "Supported layouts" picture it says that all hotswap pcbs have rgb and underglow support.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 29 May 2021, 14:51:36
I am so curious about which keysets might go with the green one.

Camping? 9009? Something with soft pink? I have a weird premonition that even DSS Late Harvest may look okay on it.

GMK Botanical would work well. Maybe CRP green hebrew?
Also, good eye. DSS Late harvest has earthy tones. It would go well with green

I agree with you, and also almost went with CRP Green Hebrew because it is the same cost as regular alphas and might work with the green IKKI68 Aurora I am getting. But it might look even better on the darker Frog green.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: phinix on Sat, 29 May 2021, 15:34:34
This is pretty TKL case, I wish there was hot swap rgb pcb for it.

Check the PCB options, there seems to be hotswap options, and options with RGB too. (Unless I am misinterpreting something)

I see hot swap, but where do you see rgb?

If you read on the spacebars in the "Supported layouts" picture it says that all hotswap pcbs have rgb and underglow support.

Holy ****, alleluja!
I always wanted to have WKL F13 hotswap with per-key RGB! This is amazing! Unbelievable!  :eek:
I'm in!!!!  :D
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 30 May 2021, 06:53:35
ePBT Soju would also be a good set for the Green Frog.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Engedi_ on Mon, 31 May 2021, 13:47:56
ePBT Soju would also be a good set for the Green Frog.

Yeah, a little too much green for me.
We also forgot GMK Wild with green and red accents.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Lazesummerstone on Mon, 31 May 2021, 14:57:46
I have been hearing about this keyboard, in whispers and rumor. But seeing it now it's simply stunning the amount of design  that is going into this board. I'm thinking this could be something very special.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 31 May 2021, 15:16:43
Have the plate specifications been released? Because I might want to order an aftermarket plate.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Shaqo_Wyn on Tue, 01 June 2021, 03:41:12
Hi Geon,

If one manages to order one of the Frog TKL keyboards in mid June.
How many days do you expect for it to take for delivery in SK, since it's in stock?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: Stilou Studio on Tue, 01 June 2021, 06:38:24
Instabuy!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: phinix on Tue, 01 June 2021, 06:43:48
I think this is purely amazing.
I'll definitely will buy one.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: geonworks on Wed, 02 June 2021, 02:16:08
Have the plate specifications been released? Because I might want to order an aftermarket plate.
You meant plate file?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: geonworks on Wed, 02 June 2021, 02:17:48
Hi Geon,

If one manages to order one of the Frog TKL keyboards in mid June.
How many days do you expect for it to take for delivery in SK, since it's in stock?
ETA 2~3weeks. And in the case of SK, it will be sold separately at Swagkeys Korean store.
www.swagkey.com
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 02 June 2021, 09:03:39
Have the plate specifications been released? Because I might want to order an aftermarket plate.
You meant plate file?

Yes, absolutely. I know a custom polycarb plate maker who uses plate files. If FROG TKL has such plate files available, I could get a polycarb plate for it.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: phinix on Thu, 03 June 2021, 07:02:42
See, this toad - if its made from really soft rubber, would it be even better than gasket mount?
50a and 80a - which one is softer?
Will both be added to kit?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: geonworks on Thu, 10 June 2021, 05:42:39
See, this toad - if its made from really soft rubber, would it be even better than gasket mount?
50a and 80a - which one is softer?
Will both be added to kit?
See, this toad - if its made from really soft rubber, would it be even better than gasket mount?
- Its silicone and this is just top mount

50a and 80a - which one is softer?
- 50a is softer

Will both be added to kit?
- 80a is standard and 50a is an option
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: phinix on Thu, 10 June 2021, 06:17:52
See, this toad - if its made from really soft rubber, would it be even better than gasket mount?
50a and 80a - which one is softer?
Will both be added to kit?
See, this toad - if its made from really soft rubber, would it be even better than gasket mount?
- Its silicone and this is just top mount

50a and 80a - which one is softer?
- 50a is softer

Will both be added to kit?
- 80a is standard and 50a is an option

Thanks for answers, looking forward to the sale :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: geonworks on Thu, 10 June 2021, 06:21:07
See, this toad - if its made from really soft rubber, would it be even better than gasket mount?
50a and 80a - which one is softer?
Will both be added to kit?
See, this toad - if its made from really soft rubber, would it be even better than gasket mount?
- Its silicone and this is just top mount

50a and 80a - which one is softer?
- 50a is softer

Will both be added to kit?
- 80a is standard and 50a is an option

Thanks for answers, looking forward to the sale :thumb:

Your welcome. Thanks for the interest
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: Enroze on Thu, 10 June 2021, 06:22:30
Hi geon, what is your favourite pepe emote?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: geonworks on Thu, 10 June 2021, 06:28:16
Hi geon, what is your favourite pepe emote?
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Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: coelacanth on Thu, 10 June 2021, 07:08:48
I'm definitely in! Absolutely need one for my first board! Thank you Geon  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: kcching on Thu, 10 June 2021, 08:58:30
Looking forward to add this to my collection!
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: F eq ma on Thu, 10 June 2021, 17:27:46
I cannot wait for that navy blue.   I suspect this board will be quick to sell out each month.   I hope I can get lucky, if not I can be patient.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: geonworks on Fri, 11 June 2021, 02:08:00
I cannot wait for that navy blue.   I suspect this board will be quick to sell out each month.   I hope I can get lucky, if not I can be patient.
i hope so
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: Smoochie on Fri, 11 June 2021, 19:33:12
endgame found.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: phinix on Sat, 12 June 2021, 07:59:00
I cannot wait for that navy blue.   I suspect this board will be quick to sell out each month.   I hope I can get lucky, if not I can be patient.
i hope so

Will axact release time be announced?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: kabocha on Thu, 17 June 2021, 04:06:36
best boy. hope I can nab one.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: mr_foggy on Thu, 17 June 2021, 05:12:26
amazing price point for an instock beauty... will be in no matter what, might ditch apollo for this
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: clik_clak on Thu, 17 June 2021, 09:11:09
I hope you can continue to get these out in a hurry. I'd like to think that I have a chance to pick one of this first batch up, but I'm pretty sure a snowball has a better chance of surviving in hell than I do of getting one of these before the bots eat them all up.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - sales date update_210602
Post by: clickpig on Sun, 20 June 2021, 04:05:06
Will axact release time be announced?

30th June at 11AM GMT+9
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: MiguelFg on Sun, 20 June 2021, 11:18:43
Yo Geon are you gonna release more colours in the future? Like E-white for example.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: phinix on Sun, 20 June 2021, 13:26:59
Yo Geon are you gonna release more colours in the future? Like E-white for example.

Or off-white/retro white, beige?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL
Post by: PixelBoba on Sat, 26 June 2021, 07:32:37
Will there be a 60% with the similar design? I would love a 60% with design elements translated from frog or even the F1-8X.

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Idk if any has already said this, but there is a frog mini which is planned to go on sale next year after frog tkl. It is a 60 and there are pictures and more info on the discord and here:
https://www.notion.so/FROG-mini-27045786fdf844c2bb159f12a0775c68
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Minam on Mon, 28 June 2021, 12:36:10
Every Month? Is this every month going to be legit or is this Keycult's "Every month".
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: F eq ma on Tue, 29 June 2021, 21:23:04
I had one in my kart and then it was sold out from under me.   Got to wait another month :)

Geon -   Thanks for the great looking board.   I hope you will keep up with the monthly allotments with such great demand.   15 second sell out is crazy, but respectable.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Bruno7obe on Thu, 08 July 2021, 05:08:27
Where is it sold to Europe?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: RoyalOak88 on Thu, 08 July 2021, 08:12:44
Where is it sold to Europe?

Nowhere
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: deflorator24 on Sat, 17 July 2021, 01:56:25
When is the next sale? it says it's every month hmm....
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: elongatedmusk on Sat, 17 July 2021, 05:47:03
When is the next sale? it says it's every month hmm....
Geon said on Discord, next sale will be announced on the 20th.
Just assume the sales to be at the end of every month, the last sale wasn't even fully fulfilled yet.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: phinix on Sat, 17 July 2021, 09:09:26
Yeah, there is also a problem with chips - this round will not have pcbs with it, just cases.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Tue, 17 August 2021, 01:48:57
Hey!
I know I am late for the party, but when will the Frog be in-stock again? Is there some sort of newsletter I can subscribe to?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: clickpig on Tue, 17 August 2021, 04:08:59
Hey!
I know I am late for the party, but when will the Frog be in-stock again? Is there some sort of newsletter I can subscribe to?

Jump on Geon's discord, best place to be kept up to date.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: IkaKeys on Sat, 02 October 2021, 06:51:07
When you say it will be on sale every month will that also be for ocotober
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Mecxs on Sat, 02 October 2021, 07:29:22
Sales information is posted to the discord.

(https://i.imgur.com/bv21iav.png)
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: phinix on Sat, 02 October 2021, 14:14:07
Every month I'm trying to buy one and every month its a total failure. It takes around 12 seconds and its all gone.

This is actually a really bad situation, as each month around 200-300 units is released and each month loads of people keep buying it and cannot do it.
Looking at around 2-3K of interested buyers, you won't be able to buy for next 6 months at least...
Then lots of those are flipped on market for twice the price.
I would rather to have a GB with 12 months turnaround, knowing that I paid for one and will get in 12 months, then being disappointed every f**ing month...
Madness...
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 02 October 2021, 16:36:36
Every month I'm trying to buy one and every month its a total failure. It takes around 12 seconds and its all gone.

This is actually a really bad situation, as each month around 200-300 units is released and each month loads of people keep buying it and cannot do it.
Looking at around 2-3K of interested buyers, you won't be able to buy for next 6 months at least...
Then lots of those are flipped on market for twice the price.
I would rather to have a GB with 12 months turnaround, knowing that I paid for one and will get in 12 months, then being disappointed every f**ing month...
Madness...

Need to just do a raffle tied to single discord user.  Would fix a lot of it.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Zurg Eon on Sat, 02 October 2021, 17:45:13
Every month I'm trying to buy one and every month its a total failure. It takes around 12 seconds and its all gone.

This is actually a really bad situation, as each month around 200-300 units is released and each month loads of people keep buying it and cannot do it.
Looking at around 2-3K of interested buyers, you won't be able to buy for next 6 months at least...
Then lots of those are flipped on market for twice the price.
I would rather to have a GB with 12 months turnaround, knowing that I paid for one and will get in 12 months, then being disappointed every f**ing month...
Madness...

I'm all for GBs with 12 months or more turnaround if it means I can get my dream/end game board (F2 atm). I feel like the chances of winning a fcfs in the foreseeable future are slim and I don't enjoy chasing them.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: F eq ma on Sat, 02 October 2021, 18:33:34
Every month I'm trying to buy one and every month its a total failure. It takes around 12 seconds and its all gone.

This is actually a really bad situation, as each month around 200-300 units is released and each month loads of people keep buying it and cannot do it.
Looking at around 2-3K of interested buyers, you won't be able to buy for next 6 months at least...
Then lots of those are flipped on market for twice the price.
I would rather to have a GB with 12 months turnaround, knowing that I paid for one and will get in 12 months, then being disappointed every f**ing month...
Madness...

Last month I swore I would not make another attempt.   Frustrating to say the least.   Twice I have had a board in my basket to have it sold out before Paypal could load.   That’s preloading paypal before the start time.  Just not a pleasant buying experience.   I am looking at alternatives

Having said all that, Geon appears have a great product and the demand is high.   Hope he continues with the TKL.  That blue….damn.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: phinix on Sun, 03 October 2021, 09:45:33
Yep, Frog is amazing, that is why we all want it, but this fcfs experience is simply horrible.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Seano on Sat, 18 December 2021, 09:49:43
I really hope that it becomes available through UK or EU vendors. You have to pay nearly double the price for the board from swagkeys :-(
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: phinix on Sat, 18 December 2021, 12:59:00
I really hope that it becomes available through UK or EU vendors. You have to pay nearly double the price for the board from swagkeys :-(

What do you mean double the price?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Seano on Sun, 19 December 2021, 16:50:50
I really hope that it becomes available through UK or EU vendors. You have to pay nearly double the price for the board from swagkeys :-(

What do you mean double the price?

Not quite double but around $525
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: phinix on Mon, 20 December 2021, 03:16:34
I really hope that it becomes available through UK or EU vendors. You have to pay nearly double the price for the board from swagkeys :-(

What do you mean double the price?

Not quite double but around $525

I see. Can you break down that total? Board is $400 as far as I know, is that right?
What else is included in this price? PCB is another $50?
How much is delivery?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Handke on Mon, 20 December 2021, 03:28:03
I really hope that it becomes available through UK or EU vendors. You have to pay nearly double the price for the board from swagkeys :-(

What do you mean double the price?

Not quite double but around $525

I see. Can you break down that total? Board is $400 as far as I know, is that right?
What else is included in this price? PCB is another $50?
How much is delivery?

300 usd for the case plus about 45 usd for the pcb

plus extra pcbs and plates (everyone buys this)

rubber toadpoles or what are they called

extra feet

minimum 410 including delivery

add 20 vat plus additional taxes

total: more than 500 usd

all this for a basic keyboard that has no beauty, it's just a trivial rectangle made of aluminium
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: maximize on Mon, 20 December 2021, 12:56:19
I really hope that it becomes available through UK or EU vendors. You have to pay nearly double the price for the board from swagkeys :-(

What do you mean double the price?

Not quite double but around $525

I see. Can you break down that total? Board is $400 as far as I know, is that right?
What else is included in this price? PCB is another $50?
How much is delivery?

300 usd for the case plus about 45 usd for the pcb

plus extra pcbs and plates (everyone buys this)

rubber toadpoles or what are they called

extra feet

minimum 410 including delivery

add 20 vat plus additional taxes

total: more than 500 usd

all this for a basic keyboard that has no beauty, it's just a trivial rectangle made of aluminium

Literally the only difference you just stated in buying from EU is VAT. 20% does not equal double the price.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Seano on Mon, 20 December 2021, 23:13:33
I really hope that it becomes available through UK or EU vendors. You have to pay nearly double the price for the board from swagkeys :-(

What do you mean double the price?

Not quite double but around $525

I see. Can you break down that total? Board is $400 as far as I know, is that right?
What else is included in this price? PCB is another $50?
How much is delivery?

Case: $300
PCB: $55
Delivery: $55
VAT + duty: 22.5%
Total: $502.25
Add loss in exchange rate 0.02%
Total: $512.30
Add courier handling fee: $527.30

This is how much it'd cost me but it could be more or less for other EU customers. In spite of the extra charges, I am very tempted to get one in the Jan drop  :))
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: whitewolf154 on Tue, 21 December 2021, 11:05:52

It's just seven days.

Can you give an example of a custom keyboard supplier that offers a 2 year warranty, and one that warranties against scratches?

No, can you? Kekw. Thank you for the good laugh in Christmas
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: clik_clak on Tue, 21 December 2021, 11:17:39

It's just seven days.

Can you give an example of a custom keyboard supplier that offers a 2 year warranty, and one that warranties against scratches?

No, can you? Kekw. Thank you for the good laugh in Christmas

No I cannot, which is why I asked them to provide an example of a custom keyboard builder that offers such a warranty...

Did you mis-quote me or something? Did you forget to switch to your alt troll account to respond?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 21 December 2021, 13:24:03

It's just seven days.

Can you give an example of a custom keyboard supplier that offers a 2 year warranty, and one that warranties against scratches?

No, can you? Kekw. Thank you for the good laugh in Christmas

No I cannot, which is why I asked them to provide an example of a custom keyboard builder that offers such a warranty...

Did you mis-quote me or something? Did you forget to switch to your alt troll account to respond?

it's bait all the way down
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: of_sam on Tue, 21 December 2021, 20:22:13
Puddsy smells good.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: Gorilla6534 on Thu, 06 January 2022, 21:44:14
Can I still get this keyboard? I'm looking at the website but I don't see the keyboard anymore is it not in production anymore?
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: phinix on Fri, 07 January 2022, 02:22:05
Can I still get this keyboard? I'm looking at the website but I don't see the keyboard anymore is it not in production anymore?

It comes up for sale every month (around 15th), but thing is its only few hundreds are released, so there is very small chance you will be able to buy one.
Title: Re: [IC] FROG TKL - Sales start on 30st June
Post by: phinix on Tue, 25 January 2022, 03:03:51
I really hope that it becomes available through UK or EU vendors. You have to pay nearly double the price for the board from swagkeys :-(

What do you mean double the price?

Not quite double but around $525

I see. Can you break down that total? Board is $400 as far as I know, is that right?
What else is included in this price? PCB is another $50?
How much is delivery?

Case: $300
PCB: $55
Delivery: $55
VAT + duty: 22.5%
Total: $502.25
Add loss in exchange rate 0.02%
Total: $512.30
Add courier handling fee: $527.30

This is how much it'd cost me but it could be more or less for other EU customers. In spite of the extra charges, I am very tempted to get one in the Jan drop  :))

Did you get one last weekend?