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Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:13:09
Its been discussed a billion times, here and there, but mainly for mx browns, however, im curious if that issue is present on a Filco with Blacks, because Im planning on buying a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Black switches. I dont wanna start another troll thread or something, nor do i wanna start another war between The Keyboard Experts on here.. I just want some help. Thats all.


Some people recommended me to buy a CMstorm Quickfire Rapid as it was some sort of a clone of Filco, but Im used to being a perfectionist, and as one, I always look for the best possible. The latter part brings up another question as you can imagine, is Filco the best possible board you can buy as the majority of owners/addicts/people say? Does it have any other flaws except that ugly ping?

the other options were/are CM Storm Qckfire and SS 6Gv2, but as I said, I always go for the best. It is quite expensive for me though, the Filco, especially considering I live in Bulgaria(I'm sure none of you have ever heard of that country lol), BUT I'll save as much as I need to in order to buy it, unless it has other flaws which could lead to break the deal.

So help guys.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Reptile on Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:32:50
Only issue I have ever had with a filco is alignment of the keys/switches. Even then only with cherry doubleshots I noticed it. I think the ping people are just whiners

Sent from my mobile
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Zamorph on Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:39:07
Honestly, don't even worry about ping.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Wed, 28 March 2012, 17:05:34
Quote from: ripster;559604
Welcome to Geekhack!

Excellent first question.

Good luck in seeking the truth.

Namaste.

The truth is formed by majority of equal opinions, I believe. So thats what I'm looking for. Opinions from experienced people. I believe you are one.

Quote from: Reptile;559612
Only issue I have ever had with a filco is alignment of the keys/switches. Even then only with cherry doubleshots I noticed it. I think the ping people are just whiners

Sent from my mobile

What do you mean by 'alignment'?

Quote from: Zamorph;559621
Honestly, don't even worry about ping.

I always make a 'little' investigation before I buy things, and that's what I'm doing now, so I worry about everything relevant to this. So actually, you are kinda telling me there is a chance of me getting a pinging keyboard? Did I get it right?
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: suprsmo on Wed, 28 March 2012, 17:45:00
That group is cool. made some decent tracks..

My A key on my camo filco pings like crazy.. but i love it regardless..
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: win on Wed, 28 March 2012, 18:12:33
Quote from: dante;559668
I know Bulgaria from listening to Mira Aroyo in the band Ladytron.  Shes a smoking hot Bulgarian.


She also has a PhD in molecular genetics from Oxford.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Wed, 28 March 2012, 18:55:19
Perfectionism aside, I would think twice about dismissing the CMStorm QF so quickly since it is currently the cheapest TKL MX Blue keyboard I've been able to find.  Get it out of your head that it's a "filco clone".  Filco and the CMStorm QF (along with some other boards) share the same OEM, and thus share the same core components.  With that said, I have yet to experience this "ping" and, to be honest, I'm not listening for it and it's not something I'm really concerned with because if Filco boards ping then other boards based on the same technology (Cherry MX Switch) will "ping".  

The only moving part is the friggin' switch so it's the only thing I can think of that can cause this "ping".  Unless, of course, someone has evidence that it's somehow a correlation of the MX Switch and the Filco logo that causes this "issue" to be isolated to Filco boards only...
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Wed, 28 March 2012, 19:09:21
Quote from: ripster;559751
That was KL and Redpill's view and I respect alternate viewpoints.
Namaste
Sent From Brother Ripster's iPad


Which view is that?  1)  the only thing that can make noise is the switch 2) it's a combination of the swith and the logo

I'm not arguing the existence of the "ping" and, to tell you the truth, I haven't read too much into it, I'm just stating what makes sense to me.  Which is: If Filco's have a "ping" then other boards will have a "ping".  

BTW, I'm sure if I hit a key on my keyboard hard enough and if I really listen for it, I can cause one of the keys to emit a sound similar to a "ping".  The switches have springs.  Springs are metal.  Metal vibrates.  The vibration can be perceived by some as a "ping".  Perception is choice.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 March 2012, 19:16:28
Quote from: Lucifer;559590
Its been discussed a billion times, here and there, but mainly for mx browns, however, im curious if that issue is present on a Filco with Blacks, because Im planning on buying a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Black switches. I dont wanna start another troll thread or something, nor do i wanna start another war between The Keyboard Experts on here.. I just want some help. Thats all.


Some people recommended me to buy a CMstorm Quickfire Rapid as it was some sort of a clone of Filco, but Im used to being a perfectionist, and as one, I always look for the best possible. The latter part brings up another question as you can imagine, is Filco the best possible board you can buy as the majority of owners/addicts/people say? Does it have any other flaws except that ugly ping?

the other options were/are CM Storm Qckfire and SS 6Gv2, but as I said, I always go for the best. It is quite expensive for me though, the Filco, especially considering I live in Bulgaria(I'm sure none of you have ever heard of that country lol), BUT I'll save as much as I need to in order to buy it, unless it has other flaws which could lead to break the deal.

So help guys.

A perfectionist is really just another term for being super-anal.  

Filcos are far from perfect..

EVERY mx-key-switch will ping upon the rebound course of the key strike.

Some keys might ping worse than others.

You will not hear the ping on MX-blue-switches, because the click noise that occurs right before the rebound ping is much louder than the ping; thus your temporal lobe will usually fail to resolve a quiet noise immediately after a loud one.

----the same principal is used behind MP3 lossy encoding

----This is also why you more often hear pings on Brown/Black/Red switches, because they do not have the artificial blue-click to mask the ping noise.

----But, to be clear, the ping noise is prevalent on EVERY color-type switch,, and is Never limited to a isolate bad-switches on any given keyboard.

If you WANT to hear the ping,, Put your head really close to the board,, EVERY switch will ping on the rebound

It also depends on how quickly you release the switch
---if released quickly, the rebounding stem will achieve full momentum, generating a loud ping
---if released slowly, this will essentially reduce the impulse upon impact acting on the rebounding stem, THUS, reducing ping
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Wed, 28 March 2012, 19:58:16
^ holy crap... how did I miss reading "The McRip Effect"? :rofl:
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Awful on Wed, 28 March 2012, 20:02:30
nvm
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: keyboardnoob on Wed, 28 March 2012, 20:21:03
I still have nightmare about the ping. It also depends on the surface underneath your keyboard, room temperature , etc.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Tony on Wed, 28 March 2012, 20:28:30
Perfectionism can lead you to God and enlightenment.

By listening carefully to the ping sound, you can hear something that God of keyboard is trying to tell you about your future and the future of mankind.

I am all ears.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Wed, 28 March 2012, 21:03:56
Quote from: keyboardnoob;559810
I still have nightmare about the ping. It also depends on the surface underneath your keyboard, room temperature , etc.


Seriously!?  "etc."  There are other factors to the "Filco Ping"?
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: ty_moon on Wed, 28 March 2012, 21:07:33
Some Filco boards do ping (I own 4 Filcos). Das keyboards do not have the same problem.

The ping does get better in time, and if you put your keyboard on a mousepad and wear headphones, you won't hear it. Good luck.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 March 2012, 21:16:12
Quote from: Tony;559817
Perfectionism can lead you to God and enlightenment.

By listening carefully to the ping sound, you can hear something that God of keyboard is trying to tell you about your future and the future of mankind.

I am all ears.
'

Many people have confirmed that the keyboard pings have told them to assassinate all religious leaders of dissenting religion.. except for the keyboard relgion of course..

Also ,, you can curve bullets by making sure to only use a gun while cradling a mechanical keyboard in the other hand.;



the scientific rational for this phenomena is that the bullet's path will be affected by the excitement of gravitons in the keyboard as it is rotate about one's torso.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: codersean on Wed, 28 March 2012, 21:59:33
I have not heard a ping on my Filco but that doesn't mean it isn't there. What is probably more important is ambient noise and how good your hearing is.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: 1839cc on Wed, 28 March 2012, 22:56:11
I can make my Leopold ping if I try.

My watch also pings. Seems to be a phenomenon affecting metal things with springs. Hmmmm.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Thu, 29 March 2012, 04:49:41
Quote from: dante;559668
I know Bulgaria from listening to Mira Aroyo in the band Ladytron.  Shes a smoking hot Bulgarian.

[video=youtube;2lk4EUzsC-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lk4EUzsC-g[/video]

lol. Yes, we've got a few famous Bulgarians, like Hristo Stoichkov (if you've watched soccer and World Cup 1994' USA in particular; and Berbatov who is another footballer currently playing at Manchester United, however, I hate them both. lol)

anyway, on topic now.

Quote from: Erick_C;559748
Perfectionism aside, I would think twice about dismissing the CMStorm QF so quickly since it is currently the cheapest TKL MX Blue keyboard I've been able to find.  Get it out of your head that it's a "filco clone".  Filco and the CMStorm QF (along with some other boards) share the same OEM, and thus share the same core components.  With that said, I have yet to experience this "ping" and, to be honest, I'm not listening for it and it's not something I'm really concerned with because if Filco boards ping then other boards based on the same technology (Cherry MX Switch) will "ping".  

The only moving part is the friggin' switch so it's the only thing I can think of that can cause this "ping".  Unless, of course, someone has evidence that it's somehow a correlation of the MX Switch and the Filco logo that causes this "issue" to be isolated to Filco boards only...

Exactly. So thats why I started this thread,  to collect experienced opinions and eventually to come up with decision on what keyboard is worth the money I'm gonna pay for it. So it's not just the Browns that ping, its all of them Cherrys.. Thats what I needed to know, so getting a Filco with blacks will not assure me of getting a pingless keyboard. Thanks.


Quote from: Erick_C;559759
Which view is that?  1)  the only thing that can make noise is the switch 2) it's a combination of the swith and the logo

I'm not arguing the existence of the "ping" and, to tell you the truth, I haven't read too much into it, I'm just stating what makes sense to me.  Which is: If Filco's have a "ping" then other boards will have a "ping".  

BTW, I'm sure if I hit a key on my keyboard hard enough and if I really listen for it, I can cause one of the keys to emit a sound similar to a "ping".  The switches have springs.  Springs are metal.  Metal vibrates.  The vibration can be perceived by some as a "ping".  Perception is choice.

Another equal statement. Thanks.


Quote from: tp4tissue;559765
A perfectionist is really just another term for being super-anal.  

Filcos are far from perfect..

EVERY mx-key-switch will ping upon the rebound course of the key strike.

Some keys might ping worse than others.

You will not hear the ping on MX-blue-switches, because the click noise that occurs right before the rebound ping is much louder than the ping; thus your temporal lobe will usually fail to resolve a quiet noise immediately after a loud one.

----the same principal is used behind MP3 lossy encoding

----This is also why you more often hear pings on Brown/Black/Red switches, because they do not have the artificial blue-click to mask the ping noise.

----But, to be clear, the ping noise is prevalent on EVERY color-type switch,, and is Never limited to a isolate bad-switches on any given keyboard.

If you WANT to hear the ping,, Put your head really close to the board,, EVERY switch will ping on the rebound

It also depends on how quickly you release the switch
---if released quickly, the rebounding stem will achieve full momentum, generating a loud ping
---if released slowly, this will essentially reduce the impulse upon impact acting on the rebounding stem, THUS, reducing ping

Thank you.


Quote from: ripster;559774
Oh. The McRip Effect (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23217-Announcing-the-LATEST-Ripster-Keyboard-Theorem-The-quot-McRip-Effect-quot-%21) is my personal opinion.

But there is always SOMEBODY on the InterToobs that disagrees with me.

My iPad is now DEFINITELY silent after going to settings>general>keyboard click.

Namaste.

Sent From Brother Ripster's iPad

So you are saying that all that 'ping issue' is an illusion? Sorry I wasn't born American/British and can't fully understand it all, but from what I've read, it says that it is illusion in our minds/ears.




_ So, all in all, buying a Filco is not the best decision after all? I thought it is the best keyboard brand, well maybe it still is, but it is not perfect after all. But the most interesting question is how could all those scientists/hardware specialists/gurus/manufacturers NOT find the right solution, and make a pingless keyboard? The whole world is now made of metal, but we dont hear all of that pinging and ringing.. I cannot understand this.

So after all what would you guys advise me to do? Buy a Filco after all, or buy a CM Storm QF? (and btw I dont understand why so many people told me that it is basically a Filco but with ugly branding on it)_
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Thu, 29 March 2012, 05:20:47
Quote from: Lucifer;560186
The whole world is now made of metal, but we dont hear all of that pinging and ringing.. I cannot understand this.
So after all what would you guys advise me to do? Buy a Filco after all, or buy a CM Storm QF? (and btw I dont understand why so many people told me that it is basically a Filco but with ugly branding on it)_

Put all that metal in a position where it will, may, or could be struck by something and it'll ping...

Quote from: Lucifer;560186
So after all what would you guys advise me to do? Buy a Filco after all, or buy a CM Storm QF? (and btw I dont understand why so many people told me that it is basically a Filco but with ugly branding on it)_

They're manufactured by the same OEM.  The difference comes in when they're finally assembled; case, caps, logos, etc.
If it's available with blacks where you're at and you can tolerate the over-branding then there's absolutely no reason not to get the CM Storm QF.  It simply is the cheapest solution for a TKL.
Anything beyond that is personal preference.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Surly73 on Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:06:29
Quote from: Lucifer;559590
Its been discussed a billion times, here and there, but mainly for mx browns, however, im curious if that issue is present on a Filco with Blacks, because Im planning on buying a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Black switches. I dont wanna start another troll thread or something, nor do i wanna start another war between The Keyboard Experts on here.. I just want some help. Thats all.


Back in the day I watched the various youtube videos and other materials presented by those plagued by ping and I definitely heard it.  My Filco doesn't ping in any way I've heard, however, so I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Filcos always ping.  Some of the videos I saw were pretty bad, and I'd be annoyed by it too.

If you buy from somewhere like Amazon, you can always return it.  If you buy from the GH classifieds you'll save a bunch of money and can probably sell it for what you paid for it.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: stingrae on Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:09:15
This ping hysterisis is partly to blame for me having two keyboads.

What do you think happens when you have a metal plate with a metal spring and plastic key hitting it at a certain temperature or on a certain surface? PCB mounted switches shouldn't ping as a result.

The filco I had, the CM Storm and the Noppoo all PING to varying degrees mostly around the p[;' region BUT for most conditions you have to be really really close hitting the key really really hard. In a nutshell ping doesn't exist for someone typing like a normal person.

I can't make my quickfire ping today but I am not at home so my desk has changed as has the room temp etc.

Filco and CM differ by Logos, warranties and features (The camo matches features almost though) though I doubt anyone often needs to take filco up on a warranty request.

If the look doesn't bother you a CM storm quickfire is a really awesome keyboard but you will probably want to get a different set of keycaps sooner than you might for a filco due to the printing method used. The biggest problem with CM Storm is the region basing of the switches I can only get blues and blacks where I am.

I've read a few issues with steelseries boards, I am yet to spot one actual problem with the quickfire rapid and there are hardly any with Ficos.

In short ping shouldn't affect your choice. Style, switch and budget should. Personally won't ever bother with blacks switches effectively blues without tactility and more springyness...
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:20:44
Quote from: Erick_C;560207
Put all that metal in a position where it will, may, or could be struck by something and it'll ping...



They're manufactured by the same OEM.  The difference comes in when they're finally assembled; case, caps, logos, etc.
If it's available with blacks where you're at and you can tolerate the over-branding then there's absolutely no reason not to get the CM Storm QF.  It simply is the cheapest solution for a TKL.
Anything beyond that is personal preference.

Thing is... we dont have anything else apart from Logitech/A4tech/****ty membrane rubber dome keyboards.. Thats the problem. We have a few(I think 2) companies that sell SteelSeries and Razer products, but when I contacted both of them about 6Gv2, they both didnt have it. Said they expect new batches at the end of March at the earliest. But since I'm not interested in 6Gv2 anymore, I dont care if they have it or not. So the only option I have is buying a keyboard from keyboardco.com or Amazon.. which will cost me a fortune, but I dont have another option. So thats it really.

Well, I find TKL keyboards cool, and rather comfortable. I dont really use those numbers on the right EXCEPT for the Enter key at the bottom right. I reaaaaaaaally love that key, because when I use the mouse to select/do things (and because I hold my mouse right next to the numkeys when browsing) it's easier to press that enter button instead of releasing the mouse and going for the big enter key below the backspace) But hey, I'd have to make some sacrifices, so it's not a dealbreaker for me. I'll get used to it.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:28:44
Quote from: Surly73;560232
Back in the day I watched the various youtube videos and other materials presented by those plagued by ping and I definitely heard it.  My Filco doesn't ping in any way I've heard, however, so I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Filcos always ping.  Some of the videos I saw were pretty bad, and I'd be annoyed by it too.

If you buy from somewhere like Amazon, you can always return it.  If you buy from the GH classifieds you'll save a bunch of money and can probably sell it for what you paid for it.

Yes, I've watched some videos too, and some of those were awful.


Quote from: stingrae;560234
This ping hysterisis is partly to blame for me having two keyboads.

What do you think happens when you have a metal plate with a metal spring and plastic key hitting it at a certain temperature or on a certain surface? PCB mounted switches shouldn't ping as a result.

The filco I had, the CM Storm and the Noppoo all PING to varying degrees mostly around the p[;' region BUT for most conditions you have to be really really close hitting the key really really hard. In a nutshell ping doesn't exist for someone typing like a normal person.

I can't make my quickfire ping today but I am not at home so my desk has changed as has the room temp etc.

Filco and CM differ by Logos, warranties and features (The camo matches features almost though) though I doubt anyone often needs to take filco up on a warranty request.

If the look doesn't bother you a CM storm quickfire is a really awesome keyboard but you will probably want to get a different set of keycaps sooner than you might for a filco due to the printing method used. The biggest problem with CM Storm is the region basing of the switches I can only get blues and blacks where I am.

I've read a few issues with steelseries boards, I am yet to spot one actual problem with the quickfire rapid and there are hardly any with Ficos.

In short ping shouldn't affect your choice. Style, switch and budget should. Personally won't ever bother with blacks switches effectively blues without tactility and more springyness...

Yes, see my previous post. I find it difficult to buy anything besides Logitech/A4tech and all that crap.

Well money is not really the problem (Lol, Joking it is a huge problem), because I dont buy keyboards every day. I will buy this and I doubt I will buy another soon after that. So, I will save the needed amount of money and I will spend it on a keyboard, no doubt. The question is, would that be a Filco or QF.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Thu, 29 March 2012, 11:14:41
btw, can anyone tell me how much would cost if I buy a filco from amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Filco-Majestouch-2-Keyboard-FKBN104ML-EB2/dp/B0053U3Z8G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&m=A104717BI2VJF7&s=generic&qid=1333037449&sr=1-3) and I mean all of it, shipping+vat+other expenses.. Only people with credit/debit cards can view the final price, I believe its right before making the purchase, like a final step before that. I cannot use my debit card, not sure why, and my friend is out of the city atm.

and btw, where can I buy CM Storm QF with Blacks?
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Thu, 29 March 2012, 21:48:38
Quote from: ripster;561012
http://www.overclock.net/t/1235745/the-infamous-filco-ping

-- Thanks RIP...

-- OP
1.  Since I'm the one who state that the CM Storm is not a "filco clone", thanks for mentioning me in your other thread (I guess).  Again... both keyboards are from the same OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) and share the same core components but are hardly clones of each other.

2.  You're getting the same answers from GH as OC.net.  Imagine that.  Iomania.co.kr and KBDMania.net haven't heard your story yet... if you want to bug more people about this, I'm sure they'd be interested... note: both sites are Korean.

3.  The whole credit card thing should be a big red flag.  Why don't you consider buying from a retailer closer to Bulgaria than the US.  In all honesty, international shipping is hard enough to deal with without having to deal with shipping over continents.  Why not shop from Amazon UK?  You may find it easier to shop from a vendor who's used to dealing with shipping in or around EU (returns may be much much much simpler).

4.  I cruised around "Goldenbook" to see if any e-tailers exist in your area.  You're right, Bulgaria is in-love with Logitech and A4.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: NorrisB on Thu, 29 March 2012, 23:00:36
This should answer your question with regard to the Filco ping The McRip Effect (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23217-Ripster-Mythbusting-The-quot-McRip-Effect-quot-!)
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: stingrae on Fri, 30 March 2012, 00:45:56
One possibillity is to try find an EU store that ships internationally for say a quickfire (though not many stores have it I think)

There's always keyboardco but shipping would make it cost £138 min. Alternately maybe qtan could ship a keycool 87 there not the best board by anymeans due to the spacebar sizing and being a new chinese brand but otherwise looks kinda nice..would take time to get there but well...
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Fri, 30 March 2012, 04:45:49
Well, I tried with Amazon but it said something similar to "It couldn't  be sent to your adress" or I dont know.. My friend told me that.


So I should try with keyboardco. Just one thing,

(http://6.imagebam.com/download/LoEUKD4K3qMLQrMe4xrzhA/18230/182294929/filcokeyboardco.PNG)



Is this price 140 pounds, is it a final price? Or there will be other expenses?

and what's best to select in Dispatch via?
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: ty_moon on Fri, 30 March 2012, 05:02:59
I'm going to try the insulating foam trick on my old Filco to see if it gets rid of the ringing.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: ty_moon on Fri, 30 March 2012, 06:36:51
Quote from: ty_moon;561405
I'm going to try the insulating foam trick on my old Filco to see if it gets rid of the ringing.


foam will be here tomorrow. i'll report back then. i wonder if this will make my keyboard not work...
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Fri, 30 March 2012, 06:48:51
Quote from: ty_moon;561430
foam will be here tomorrow. i'll report back then. i wonder if this will make my keyboard not work...

Isn't this kinda like supergluing your butt in order to stop wasting money on toilet paper...
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: ty_moon on Fri, 30 March 2012, 07:10:13
Quote from: Erick_C;561434
Isn't this kinda like supergluing your butt in order to stop wasting money on toilet paper...


very confused why you think the two situations are anything alike. no similarities whatsoever.

the ringing is occurred between the PCB and the plate. the easiest way to fix this is to insulate it with some foam surface, or an expanding foam. it's been done before and i won't be surprised if it works.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Fri, 30 March 2012, 07:17:09
You mean to tell me the ringing is coming from the gap between the PCB and the metal plate, a.k.a. the space filled with air, is the source of the PING?

Okay... New analogy.  This like supergluing one nostil to reduce your carbon emissions.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: NorrisB on Fri, 30 March 2012, 07:58:26
Lucifier that is highway robbery for that Filco
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Fri, 30 March 2012, 08:03:38
He doesn't have a choice if he wants a filco.  Apparently, in Bulgaria, if it ain't Logitech, it's not worth selling.  I know cuz I looked.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Fri, 30 March 2012, 08:15:52
Quote from: NorrisB;561460
Lucifier that is highway robbery for that Filco

Quote from: Erick_C;561465
He doesn't have a choice if he wants a filco.  Apparently, in Bulgaria, if it ain't Logitech, it's not worth selling.  I know cuz I looked.

Exactly, not a choice. My country is so ****ed up. So am I.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Fri, 30 March 2012, 08:18:13
Sounds like you need to take a roadtrip to Taiwan, bro.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Fri, 30 March 2012, 08:44:28
Quote from: Erick_C;561474
Sounds like you need to take a roadtrip to Taiwan, bro.

hahaha, no please. I just need the keyboard without any additional (road)experience :D


Well, it sucks to be born Bulgarian, I guess. Nothing I can do. I've saved the bigger half of the price anyway, so not a problem :)
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Fri, 30 March 2012, 09:22:18
As someone who researhes to the ends of the earth to find answers to questions I may have about a particular product, I applaud you for not falling into the trap of becoming an impulse consumer.

I hope you and your Filco have a symbioticly happy relationship.  BTW, resist all temptation to fall into the keycap frenzy.  Filco caps serve their purposes VERY VERY well..
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Fri, 30 March 2012, 09:49:45
Quote from: Erick_C;561510
As someone who researhes to the ends of the earth to find answers to questions I may have about a particular product, I applaud you for not falling into the trap of becoming an impulse consumer.

I hope you and your Filco have a symbioticly happy relationship.  BTW, resist all temptation to fall into the keycap frenzy.  Filco caps serve their purposes VERY VERY well..

Indeed, I always do investigate before I buy things. But its all because of you guys. Thanks.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Fri, 30 March 2012, 10:03:01
Quote from: ripster;561535
My iPad pings but it's just Email.  And it and the keyboard sound are easy to turn off.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?28875-Ripster-iPad-Input-Tricks


Sent from Brother Ripster's iPad

Hahahah, dude you are sick. :)
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Fri, 30 March 2012, 10:40:26
Quote from: ripster;561547
Did you know back in the old days Senior Geekhackers used to talk about ping endlessly.

What ****ing nerds!

It's the PostPC era now.

Sent from Brother Ripster's iPad


I feel guilty for starting this thread.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Fri, 30 March 2012, 10:51:22
Quote from: ripster;561568
Your name is Lucifer.  Fear no Guilt for without Dark there is no Light.

Namaste

Sent from my PC For I have Bills To Pay

Couldnt say it any better.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Fri, 30 March 2012, 11:00:46
Quote from: ripster;561568
... for without Dark there is no Light

Harry Potter??
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Erick_C on Fri, 30 March 2012, 11:09:36
Han Solo shot first... dammit...
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Tue, 03 April 2012, 09:30:59
Quote from: Lucifer;561398
Well, I tried with Amazon but it said something similar to "It couldn't  be sent to your adress" or I dont know.. My friend told me that.


So I should try with keyboardco. Just one thing,

Show Image
(http://6.imagebam.com/download/LoEUKD4K3qMLQrMe4xrzhA/18230/182294929/filcokeyboardco.PNG)




Is this price 140 pounds, is it a final price? Or there will be other expenses?

and what's best to select in Dispatch via?

?
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Tue, 03 April 2012, 18:43:48
Simple workaround. Get an Acer ALPS-a-like. Or a Fukka ALPS.

You will never hear FILCO ping again!
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Tue, 10 April 2012, 11:59:14
can anyone finally answer my question? :)
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 10 April 2012, 12:04:55
Statistically speaking, you'll probably be fine. Get the Filco.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Tue, 10 April 2012, 12:13:02
Wait, how can TNT Economy Express cost more and take longer? I'd probably avoid Royal Fail, though :)

Might want to ask keyboardco directly about that.

As for import duty, since you're purchasing from another EU member state, I'd imagine that there won't be further charges above what keyboardco state on the page, but I can't say with any certainty.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: sth on Tue, 10 April 2012, 12:23:09
The Filco ping is NOT limited to Filco. My Leopold pings too.

]]]][[[[[[[[[]]]\\pppll-000--=pp[][po. In that zone. Just like a Filco.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Tue, 10 April 2012, 12:28:16
Hm the down arrow key pings on my Realforce. Too quiet to hear unless you go looking for it. Maybe I annoyed it when swapping in the lavender WASD keys :) Looks like I may have some (not POM, the other one ... R ... P ... something) shrinkage from one of the keys as it doesn't sit straight, but it's not down arrow that does that (it's left arrow, but I reversed left and right arrow for fun).

Not a meloding either, more a sort of scratchy, grainy ping that I got on my FILCO's numpad enter key for a while.

Still, nothing pings like an Acer or a Fukka!
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: dean0 on Tue, 10 April 2012, 13:40:11
Using the Filco Majestouch (Brown S) for a little over a week now and have not noticed this 'ping' noise, and is considerably quieter than my old Razer Blackwidow (Blue S). I have some dampeners and DS on the way so this should further reduce noise if I bottom out the keys, hopefully...
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Lucifer on Wed, 11 April 2012, 04:56:51
Quote from: Daniel Beardsmore;572495
Wait, how can TNT Economy Express cost more and take longer? I'd probably avoid Royal Fail, though :)

Might want to ask keyboardco directly about that.

As for import duty, since you're purchasing from another EU member state, I'd imagine that there won't be further charges above what keyboardco state on the page, but I can't say with any certainty.

Where? and who I should ask about that?
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Wed, 11 April 2012, 05:16:13
I would suggest that you contact the Keyboard Company directly. Details are on their website. They don't bite.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: JPG on Thu, 13 December 2012, 09:52:55
For those interested, I got a filco camo tkl with browns. It is working perfectly, no ping no problem at all. It's so good that I got a second filco for the job, same keyboard but ninja version instead of camo, still tkl and browns. This one was a mess. When I started to type on the ninja, I felt something was wrong. It was probably way more obvious because I also have a camo. The problem with my ninja is that ALL the keys ping. It is even way louder on the bigger keys. It is so loud and annoying that I even FEEL it when I type. The feeling aint that strong, but it's enough to remove some of the pleasure and precision that I can feel on my camo.

I also felt a difference when typing with the ninja VS the camo. I have the feeling that the camo has "thicker" keycaps and so feels more sturdy. But it could be an impression caused by the pings/vibration problem on my ninja. If someone else used both a camo and ninja version with browns, I would like to know if you felt a difference between both when typing.

Anyway it's now on the RMA process. If all goes well, I should be able to get a camo instead. Looks strange in an office, but I kinda get used to this look at home and in fact find it nice. Anyway, #1 criteria for a keyboard is the typing experience, the look is quite secondary (even if we all want a badass looking keyboard)
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: spolia optima on Fri, 14 December 2012, 00:13:59
Filco ping don't exist.
Doubly so for the MJ2.
AFAIK it was basically a smear campaign...
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Fri, 14 December 2012, 07:52:51
I'm back on my Majestouch 1 with browns at the moment, and after using a Realforce for a while, upon moving back to the Filco I definitely noticed the ping, and it was almost too annoying to bear. Now I don't notice it at all (except if I'm listening out for it).

I don't know whether I simply got used to it, or whether environmental conditions changed.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:03:23
Filco ping don't exist.
Doubly so for the MJ2.
AFAIK it was basically a smear campaign...

THE PING exists.. It is heard on the UPSTROKE of the key. When the key returns to default position, it knocks against the top housing, vibrating the center spring, CAUSING PING..

Press down ANY cherry mx switch put your ears next to it, and LET GO upwards, AS FAST AS YOU CAN, you will hear the definitive PINGGGGG.....


NOW, under normal circumstances with PC noise, and other ambiances, the ping noice is very subtle and can only be heard with ears RIGHT NEXT to the key..

EVERY KEY PINGS,, it is not isolated to any keyboard, or burnt switch.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:06:10
However, there is a worse issue, of an actual very audible ringing, which was reported by several users, nearly all from plate-mounted mx brown boards. It is not limited to Filco though, nor does it affect ALL plate mounted mx brown boards.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:07:15
However, there is a worse issue, of an actual very audible ringing, which was reported by several users, nearly all from plate-mounted mx brown boards. It is not limited to Filco though, nor does it affect ALL plate mounted mx brown boards.

Ringing and PING is the SAME THING.

To hear Ringing, You usually need to turn off all the ambient noise... Turn off your PC, and press down a bunch of mx-switches and super fast lift up your whole hand, you'll hear RINGING.

You still have to keep your ears pretty close to the keyboard...

So, when you lift your hands DON"T punch yourself in the face.. I've done this... :eek:
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:10:34
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.

Trust me, I've heard the difference.
Title: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: tsangan on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:11:52
summer of ping has been extended!
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:17:24
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.

Trust me, I've heard the difference.

delusional.....

Unless you can come up with a doctors note that PROVES you were bitten by a gamma radiation mutated bat.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: JPG on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:21:31
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.

Trust me, I've heard the difference.

Well, from the little experience I had with this issue, whatever you call it ping or ringing, mine was VERY loud. I bottom out a lot, and I like it, so the keyboard already makes some noise, and this "extra vibrating/resonnating sound" was audible and not pleasant at all.

By the way, anyone know if the is a keycap thinkness difference between the filco ninja and the filco camo?
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:26:22
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.

Trust me, I've heard the difference.

Well, from the little experience I had with this issue, whatever you call it ping or ringing, mine was VERY loud. I bottom out a lot, and I like it, so the keyboard already makes some noise, and this "extra vibrating/resonnating sound" was audible and not pleasant at all.

By the way, anyone know if the is a keycap thinkness difference between the filco ninja and the filco camo?

you're saying the Plate makes a noise? How hard are you hitting this thing. put mouse pad under it, does it make the same sound.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:30:17
Ping occurs both when you strike the key, and on release. It's more noticeable on release, and I think it's maybe 20% louder on release, but the ping is there in both directions.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: JPG on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:37:30
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.

Trust me, I've heard the difference.

Well, from the little experience I had with this issue, whatever you call it ping or ringing, mine was VERY loud. I bottom out a lot, and I like it, so the keyboard already makes some noise, and this "extra vibrating/resonnating sound" was audible and not pleasant at all.

By the way, anyone know if the is a keycap thinkness difference between the filco ninja and the filco camo?

you're saying the Plate makes a noise? How hard are you hitting this thing. put mouse pad under it, does it make the same sound.

It's hard to describe with words. When I did a comparison with my camo at home (no noise), I was going gently and heard it when I bottom out AND on the upstroke. It was like a spring was resonating on the plate or something like that. It was audible on every key, and louder on some of the bigger keys (less on the spacebar and capslock and less on the left side keys). When typing with "normal" strenght (for me), the sound was loud enough so I would ear it mixed with the sound from bottoming out. Not louder than the sound from bottoming out, but still enough that I could ear it. I also kida "felt" the vibration, so it was annoying. I must also mention that since I got my Filco, I probably started to type "harder" on it just because the feeling and sound is so great when I bottom out (on my camo).
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:41:16
Ping occurs both when you strike the key, and on release. It's more noticeable on release, and I think it's maybe 20% louder on release, but the ping is there in both directions.

Ok, I hear it, but it is not NEARLY as loud as on release.. at least 3x as loud on release.
Title: Re: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:54:17
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.

Trust me, I've heard the difference.

delusional.....

Unless you can come up with a doctors note that PROVES you were bitten by a gamma radiation mutated bat.

Ripster? Is that YOU??
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:09:41
However, there is a worse issue, of an actual very audible ringing, which was reported by several users, nearly all from plate-mounted mx brown boards. It is not limited to Filco though, nor does it affect ALL plate mounted mx brown boards.
I have pinging red and blue switches too. Even PCB mount.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Soarer on Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:50:00
Oh dear god not this **** again :(

On the one side there are people who have had a keyboard with a ringing issue, and know that it's an issue, because they've known keyboards without it (often the same make or even model). They know that ring isn't the same as ping.

On the other there are people saying it's not an issue, essentially because they can't hear it on their perfectly normal keyboards. In their ignorance, they assume that ring is the same as ping.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 14 December 2012, 14:20:53
I still have yet to experience this... I've had like 3 Filcos
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: spolia optima on Sat, 15 December 2012, 04:19:38
Filco ping don't exist.
Doubly so for the MJ2.
AFAIK it was basically a smear campaign...

THE PING exists.. It is heard on the UPSTROKE of the key. When the key returns to default position, it knocks against the top housing, vibrating the center spring, CAUSING PING..

Press down ANY cherry mx switch put your ears next to it, and LET GO upwards, AS FAST AS YOU CAN, you will hear the definitive PINGGGGG.....


NOW, under normal circumstances with PC noise, and other ambiances, the ping noice is very subtle and can only be heard with ears RIGHT NEXT to the key..

EVERY KEY PINGS,, it is not isolated to any keyboard, or burnt switch.

Wow... You're pretty stupid, huh?
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: paco on Sat, 05 April 2014, 16:22:49
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.

The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".

Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.

What a piece of junk.

Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?

So pissed....
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: KebinPls on Sat, 05 April 2014, 16:47:03
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.

The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".

Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.

What a piece of junk.

Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?

So pissed....

I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: SSIPAK on Sat, 05 April 2014, 16:52:16
Never had any problems with my Filco after all these years.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: paco on Sun, 06 April 2014, 07:59:16
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.

The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".

Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.

What a piece of junk.

Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?

So pissed....

I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.

Thanks for that tip.

I watched a video that explains how to open the keyboard and reach under the PCB. There is a sticker over the middle screw located under the keyboard. It is written "DO NOT REMOVE", but not "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED".

I fear if I remove that sticker and start trying to apply shelf liner that the warranty will then be nulled and I won't be able to return it to NCIX.ca.

But... on the other hand, would NCIX.ca consider pinging of the keyboard as a defect?

Do I have better than normal hearing or am I just being (once again) unlucky with my purchase? The pinging is not subtle at all IMO.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: berserkfan on Sun, 06 April 2014, 08:13:41
Quote from: dante;559668
I know Bulgaria from listening to Mira Aroyo in the band Ladytron.  Shes a smoking hot Bulgarian.

She also has a PhD in molecular genetics from Oxford.

Ah yes, but in Bulgaria there are no jobs for anyone with PhDs. That's the problem.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: KebinPls on Sun, 06 April 2014, 09:08:15
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.

The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".

Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.

What a piece of junk.

Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?

So pissed....

I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.

Thanks for that tip.

I watched a video that explains how to open the keyboard and reach under the PCB. There is a sticker over the middle screw located under the keyboard. It is written "DO NOT REMOVE", but not "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED".

I fear if I remove that sticker and start trying to apply shelf liner that the warranty will then be nulled and I won't be able to return it to NCIX.ca.

But... on the other hand, would NCIX.ca consider pinging of the keyboard as a defect?

Do I have better than normal hearing or am I just being (once again) unlucky with my purchase? The pinging is not subtle at all IMO.

I don't think so, i honestly think it's just a con of owning some filcos. Honestly man, open that sucker up and put the shelf liner in. My keyboard feels like a dream now, and it feels like it's worth so much more than what I paid.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: paco on Sun, 06 April 2014, 18:30:18
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.

The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".

Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.

What a piece of junk.

Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?

So pissed....

I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.

Thanks for that tip.

I watched a video that explains how to open the keyboard and reach under the PCB. There is a sticker over the middle screw located under the keyboard. It is written "DO NOT REMOVE", but not "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED".

I fear if I remove that sticker and start trying to apply shelf liner that the warranty will then be nulled and I won't be able to return it to NCIX.ca.

But... on the other hand, would NCIX.ca consider pinging of the keyboard as a defect?

Do I have better than normal hearing or am I just being (once again) unlucky with my purchase? The pinging is not subtle at all IMO.

I don't think so, i honestly think it's just a con of owning some filcos. Honestly man, open that sucker up and put the shelf liner in. My keyboard feels like a dream now, and it feels like it's worth so much more than what I paid.

I installed a shelf liner under the PCB. It didn't change a thing. My keyboard still pings as much as before.

Any other idea?

Thanks.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 18:48:49
I installed a shelf liner under the PCB. It didn't change a thing. My keyboard still pings as much as before.
Any other idea?
Thanks.

Well, I think the infamous ping came from the springs. It is the root of all little-evil-infamous and time-consuming discussion. If a shelf-liner doesn't work, you need to change shelf-liner. In an extreme case, you still need to lube the springs with high viscosity oil like Victorinox oil.

Nevertheless, you can always ignore the ping and forget its existence, you will never hear it again.  :))
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: berserkfan on Mon, 07 April 2014, 01:33:50
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.

The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".

Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.

What a piece of junk.

Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?

So pissed....

I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.

Thanks for that tip.

I watched a video that explains how to open the keyboard and reach under the PCB. There is a sticker over the middle screw located under the keyboard. It is written "DO NOT REMOVE", but not "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED".

I fear if I remove that sticker and start trying to apply shelf liner that the warranty will then be nulled and I won't be able to return it to NCIX.ca.

But... on the other hand, would NCIX.ca consider pinging of the keyboard as a defect?

Do I have better than normal hearing or am I just being (once again) unlucky with my purchase? The pinging is not subtle at all IMO.

I don't think so, i honestly think it's just a con of owning some filcos. Honestly man, open that sucker up and put the shelf liner in. My keyboard feels like a dream now, and it feels like it's worth so much more than what I paid.
Kevin may I ask what kind of shelf liner you used? Googling brings up many shelf liner products and they don't seem to be always the same kind of material.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: KebinPls on Wed, 09 April 2014, 22:32:54
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.

The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".

Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.

What a piece of junk.

Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?

So pissed....

I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.

Thanks for that tip.

I watched a video that explains how to open the keyboard and reach under the PCB. There is a sticker over the middle screw located under the keyboard. It is written "DO NOT REMOVE", but not "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED".

I fear if I remove that sticker and start trying to apply shelf liner that the warranty will then be nulled and I won't be able to return it to NCIX.ca.

But... on the other hand, would NCIX.ca consider pinging of the keyboard as a defect?

Do I have better than normal hearing or am I just being (once again) unlucky with my purchase? The pinging is not subtle at all IMO.

I don't think so, i honestly think it's just a con of owning some filcos. Honestly man, open that sucker up and put the shelf liner in. My keyboard feels like a dream now, and it feels like it's worth so much more than what I paid.
Kevin may I ask what kind of shelf liner you used? Googling brings up many shelf liner products and they don't seem to be always the same kind of material.

I used one from a dollar store around here, don't really remember the brand :/
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 09 April 2014, 22:40:50
it doesnt matter

just put as much as you can into it
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Wonko73 on Mon, 21 April 2014, 06:19:49
Hi,

I've got a Filco TKL Blue and a Minila Blue Switch: Especially the Minila does the ping quite loud. So I decided to open it (damn torx!) and I had to see: The ping is somewhere in the PCB itself. Even with my hand on the plate it did the sound, so there seems to be no chance to stop it.

The strange thing: Putting it back into case and putting it "close to the wooden hand rest", it became quieter?! I don't know why - however - it is a Filco and I love it, so I'm going to live with this issue.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Battou62 on Mon, 21 April 2014, 08:32:30
I have a Filco Ninja w/ MX Blacks. It does not ping at all.
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 21 April 2014, 08:38:10
Pffft. Filco ping... it's NOTHING compared to Model M ping!
Title: Re: The infamous Filco ping?
Post by: korrelate on Mon, 21 April 2014, 08:51:11
Filco ping don't exist.
Doubly so for the MJ2.
AFAIK it was basically a smear campaign...

THE PING exists.. It is heard on the UPSTROKE of the key. When the key returns to default position, it knocks against the top housing, vibrating the center spring, CAUSING PING..

Press down ANY cherry mx switch put your ears next to it, and LET GO upwards, AS FAST AS YOU CAN, you will hear the definitive PINGGGGG.....


NOW, under normal circumstances with PC noise, and other ambiances, the ping noice is very subtle and can only be heard with ears RIGHT NEXT to the key..

EVERY KEY PINGS,, it is not isolated to any keyboard, or burnt switch.

^^^ this times 1000.

afaik tp is spot on: it exists and he has identified the cause. not isolated to filco either: rosewill is just as susceptible. only thing that helped my filco was pulling the switches and lubing everything, particularly the springs.