Thanks njbair for getting this going. I see where you are going with your colors, but I too prefer the YCE yellow as it is a bit softer.
This was my original hope for adding alphas (from before hyperfuse was done again :rolleyes: ):
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Colors are GTL and RDE. I prefer my alphas to be a shade of grey or white, with a complementing color or 2 in the modifiers/text.
I'm going to say that like nubbinator, I can't get down with the current colors. Not into yellow.For sure you can dye PBT, but ABS is a different matter (literally and figuratively!) I did a quick search (google-> site:geekhack.org....) for dyeing ABS but didn't get anywhere useful. Got link?
I'm really interested in a full DCS set though
And yes zombimuncha, you can dye caps
I'm going to say that like nubbinator, I can't get down with the current colors. Not into yellow.For sure you can dye PBT, but ABS is a different matter (literally and figuratively!) I did a quick search (google-> site:geekhack.org....) for dyeing ABS but didn't get anywhere useful. Got link?
I'm really interested in a full DCS set though
And yes zombimuncha, you can dye caps
I'm assuming we're talking about ABS here. I don't know if SP does DCS profile in PBT, and anyway the Badwrench mods are ABS and it'd be good to match those.
Don't mean to butt in, but I was thinking of schemes that could complement the Infinity DCS drop. I thought of this! Might not be everyone's cup of tea. BGA mods, WFK alphas, WFK legends on mods, BGA legends on alphas. I was also concerned about too many designs resembling others (like hyperfuse). xP
Second picture shows the layout with Infinity DCS mods.Show Image(http://puu.sh/jO2dp/2c9cef307a.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jO2cg/4802915e57.png)
1) I like E3E's colours, with the white and darker blue
2) are those keys on the right an add-on kit? Can we add TKL Nav-cluster + Arrows in there, depending on price? I guess FKey row would add a lot but maybe without that row it wouldn't add too much $$$?
I am actually planning on doing an IC and GB on a full Alps set reproducing the Graphite colorway. Legends will be replaced with standard cherry. Side-print would be awesome but unlikely unless we get an awesome demand.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PCj9rXK.jpg)
Photo by Reaper
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Just throwing it out there. TBN brown, NN black, with BX legends
Don't mean to butt in, but I was thinking of schemes that could complement the Infinity DCS drop. I thought of this! Might not be everyone's cup of tea. BGA mods, WFK alphas, WFK legends on mods, BGA legends on alphas. I was also concerned about too many designs resembling others (like hyperfuse). xP
Second picture shows the layout with Infinity DCS mods.Show Image(http://puu.sh/jO2dp/2c9cef307a.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jO2cg/4802915e57.png)
I like this a lot. Just for fun, here's an Infinity mockup with GTL gray alphas:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ACzEKka.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BjlW8oB.png)
Graphite or those blue mockups would be amazing.
In order to maximize compatibility with AEKII layouts, maybe we should aim for a shade of gray that matches the AEKII spacebar as closely as possible.
Graphite or those blue mockups would be amazing.
+1 :thumb:In order to maximize compatibility with AEKII layouts, maybe we should aim for a shade of gray that matches the AEKII spacebar as closely as possible.
So the rub here is that the AEKII had an ABS spacebar so the likelihood that anyone has a non-yellowed spacebar are pretty low. Lord knows mine is a horrific shade of yellow.
That is awesome news about the spacebars! Also, I do really like the current color mockup:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IqmuIQR.png)
Very clean looking and would go great with the BX mods here and there.
Alps noob alert!
Which 60% are we referencing when talking about AEKII support? Or are those custom builds using the AEKII plate cut down to 60%?
I still only have the one Alps board (AEKII), and with it being a full size board I'm still on board with a 60% set, but wishing I had full support. Obviously that would be (presumably) impossible, what with the weird sideways F-row, etc. Is that why this is for only a 60% set?
I guess I'm mostly curious why the scope of this buy is set to 60%, and also what will it take to get full size support (if at all)? Apologies if this has been asked in another thread (I may have even asked myself :-[ ).
Pretty much what it comes down to is, Alps boards are a lot less standard than MX, so full compatibility is a pipe dream. 60% compatibility is a lot easier to achieve.
This set targets the following boards:
- Infinity 60% (most notably, the Hacker layout with a 6U spacebar)
- KBParadise V60 Matias Mini
- The hasu/nubbinator AEKII boards from the recent GBs
- BlueNalgene's upcoming "Alps Party 3* boards, which may be Dell AT101 layout or AEKII (still not sure which, possibly both)
- Any other custom Alps 60% that follows a relatively standard layout.
The only thing that's not 100% covered with these caps is the stabilizer issue, but that will probably just require some custom-bent wires for some boards.
Pretty much what it comes down to is, Alps boards are a lot less standard than MX, so full compatibility is a pipe dream. 60% compatibility is a lot easier to achieve.
This set targets the following boards:
- Infinity 60% (most notably, the Hacker layout with a 6U spacebar)
- KBParadise V60 Matias Mini
- The hasu/nubbinator AEKII boards from the recent GBs
- BlueNalgene's upcoming "Alps Party 3* boards, which may be Dell AT101 layout or AEKII (still not sure which, possibly both)
- Any other custom Alps 60% that follows a relatively standard layout.
The only thing that's not 100% covered with these caps is the stabilizer issue, but that will probably just require some custom-bent wires for some boards.
Thanks! Kinda what I figured. :-/ But makes complete sense, so that is fine. :thumb:
Bummed I had no clue about that nubs/hasu board! That sounds interesting. I'm going to have to bite the bullet one of these days and just grab a V60. :rolleyes:
At any rate, I'm interested in this set, particularly the Graphite replica. :)
1) I'm REALLY happy to see that my mock-up ideas were well-liked. I never used the layout editor before now, but I had ideas I really wanted to express. :D
2) I'm happy to see details from everyone's design implemented in the current overall mockup! Community feedback is the coolest part about a custom keyset!
3) Oh god, I need this in my life. Hooray for the Alps 60% IC! Let's make this happen! :thumb: Also definitely nice to see others like LastPilot working on plans for Alps caps too! I'm hopeful for a brighter Alps future.
Just to note: I'm really liking the current iteration with the grey alphas. I personally like higher contrast legends on the modifiers, with grey on BGA for example, but I do understand why you would choose BX in order to match Badwrench's Infinity DCS modifiers. :)
1) I'm REALLY happy to see that my mock-up ideas were well-liked. I never used the layout editor before now, but I had ideas I really wanted to express. :D
2) I'm happy to see details from everyone's design implemented in the current overall mockup! Community feedback is the coolest part about a custom keyset!
3) Oh god, I need this in my life. Hooray for the Alps 60% IC! Let's make this happen! :thumb: Also definitely nice to see others like LastPilot working on plans for Alps caps too! I'm hopeful for a brighter Alps future.
Just to note: I'm really liking the current iteration with the grey alphas. I personally like higher contrast legends on the modifiers, with grey on BGA for example, but I do understand why you would choose BX in order to match Badwrench's Infinity DCS modifiers. :)
Thanks for chiming in! We've come a long way from my orange/purple monstrosity in just 24 hours and I'm much, much happier with where we're at with this design right now. I've been editing the OP all day to reflect the changes, but I hope I've kept enough context so that those who are just now seeing this can follow along and see how it's evolved so quickly.
I'm in touch with Lastpilot to make sure our respective buys are spaced out to ease the wallet hurt. But I think it's good that everyone who might get in on this buy knows there's a TKL (or possibly 104-key) set in the works as well. I don't want anyone to settle for 60% if that's not what they need.
Alpine Winter
Cloudy Sky
Skies and Seasalt
Ocean Wave
Tempest
Arctic Days
...
Winter is Coming :))
I've noticed something every good GB has, is a catchy name. So I'm trying to think of one for this set. The colors are all on the cool side of the spectrum, and it's Alps, so I think something related to mountains, snow caps, or whatever...
I'm not super creative so I'd really appreciate some suggestions.
Current design:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IqmuIQR.png)
Alpine Winter
Cloudy Sky
Skies and Seasalt
Ocean Wave
Tempest
Arctic Days
...
Winter is Coming :))
I've noticed something every good GB has, is a catchy name. So I'm trying to think of one for this set. The colors are all on the cool side of the spectrum, and it's Alps, so I think something related to mountains, snow caps, or whatever...
I'm not super creative so I'd really appreciate some suggestions.
Current design:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IqmuIQR.png)
Business Yeti
Icebreaker
ALPengeiSt (might have been used for something already, don't remember)
Blue Crush
The A Scheme
Montego blue
Alpsilicious
Don't mean to butt in, but I was thinking of schemes that could complement the Infinity DCS drop. I thought of this! Might not be everyone's cup of tea. BGA mods, WFK alphas, WFK legends on mods, BGA legends on alphas. I was also concerned about too many designs resembling others (like hyperfuse). xPI like the top layout above.
Second picture shows the layout with Infinity DCS mods.Show Image(http://puu.sh/jO2dp/2c9cef307a.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jO2cg/4802915e57.png)
I'm interested in a GB. I think it would be awesome if you incorporated the super key logo that is in the infinity kit.MoreShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68887.0;attach=95377;image)
I'm fine with using the legend as long as this is a non-profit GB.
I'm fine with using the legend as long as this is a non-profit GB.
Awesome! Yes this will be a non-profit GB. Thanks, nubs!
So just to keep everyone happy, the bottom row keys will include (2) 1U Alps Logo, (2) 1.25U Alps Logo, (2) 1U blanks, and (2) 1.25U blanks. I'm open to opinions about adding 1U and 1.25U Fn keys as well, so everyone let me know what you think.
Here are some mockups, one with BX mod legends and the other with GTL legends (same as alphas):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2CenIrm.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sjlTxp3.png)
I'm not convinced that the keyboard-layout-editor.com colors are accurate. I really do think the BX teal will stand out just fine against the BGA blue background, but without color chips I can't know for sure. Does anyone have color chips, or know someone who does and can get me a decent picture of GTL, BGA and BX in the same photo?
EDIT: I just had an idea for a third option. BFQ is pretty much a brighter version of BX, as in they are close to the same hue. I think it might stand out better for the mod legends while still going well with BX teal from Badwrench's set.Show Image(http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/absblue.JPG)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1MFugsh.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QB4AbRb.png)
Also, any reason why this couldn't be expanded to TKL or 104 keys? Even if it was an optional part of the GB, I'm sure a lot of us would shell out the money to put them on their v80mts's.
Also, forgot to mention I think I've settled on Alpine Winter as the name for this colorway. It fits so well even without it being an Alps set, but all the more so because it is Alps.
One more thing, can I get a sanity check on the extra keys? Particularly the top row, I'm not sure why or how I ended up with a blue 1U backslash. Is that a normal thing?
Here's a couple examples I quickly found on vintage keyboards where a 1u blue backslash would come in handy. Notice they're ISO
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focus-Electronic-FK-2001-5-PIN-DIN-Clicky-Mechanical-Keyboard-ALPS-Type-Switches-/171910326204?hash=item2806a767bc
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Apple-II-Macintosh-Mechanical-Keyboard-Pink-Salmon-ALPS-Switches-M0116-/151785010409?hash=item23571774e9
I have no idea if anybody would have a need for a 1u modifier backslash for their 60% keyboards though.
Here's a couple examples I quickly found on vintage keyboards where a 1u blue backslash would come in handy. Notice they're ISO
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Focus-Electronic-FK-2001-5-PIN-DIN-Clicky-Mechanical-Keyboard-ALPS-Type-Switches-/171910326204?hash=item2806a767bc
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Apple-II-Macintosh-Mechanical-Keyboard-Pink-Salmon-ALPS-Switches-M0116-/151785010409?hash=item23571774e9
I have no idea if anybody would have a need for a 1u modifier backslash for their 60% keyboards though.
I guess I'm still learning as I go :D
I like the idea of including, at least as an option, mod-colored caps for Backslash/Pipe and Backquote/Tilde. This provides the option for color symmetry on the board. Thanks.
I like the idea of including, at least as an option, mod-colored caps for Backslash/Pipe and Backquote/Tilde. This provides the option for color symmetry on the board. Thanks.
I like the idea of including, at least as an option, mod-colored caps for Backslash/Pipe and Backquote/Tilde. This provides the option for color symmetry on the board. Thanks.
I agree 100% with this. I think having extras is much better than being without, even if the cost is a little higher. I'd say keep the backslash and tilde as they are with mod-colored options for the sake of customization and symmetry!
In fact, I remap my keyboards to a HHKB layout, so that I swap Backslash and Backspace, CapsLock become Left Control, and I swap the Alt and "Win" keys (Mac layout).
Keep in mind that Alps have a small following, limited number of boards that use them, and aren't cheap to do at SP. There is going to be massive price ballooning with all the caps people are asking to add. Make it small and tailored to what's readily available and you'll have a better chance of making it happen.
Keep in mind that Alps have a small following, limited number of boards that use them, and aren't cheap to do at SP. There is going to be massive price ballooning with all the caps people are asking to add. Make it small and tailored to what's readily available and you'll have a better chance of making it happen.
I'm definitely mindful of price creep here, and it's something I definitely want to avoid. Compared to my original mockup in purple and yellow, the current mockup includes four more extra keys and one fewer spacebar (since the AEKII spacebar isn't available), which probably works out to about even. I don't intend to add any more, and I may decide to get rid of the bottom row Fn keys depending on price (since I added those last and haven't heard much one way or the other about them).
Depends on the board, but with most standard layouts, such as, for example, the KBP V60MTS, what is needed is a Backslash key that is the same size as the standard Backspace key. I usually just end up with incorrectly labeled caps or I use blanks for the mods.In fact, I remap my keyboards to a HHKB layout, so that I swap Backslash and Backspace, CapsLock become Left Control, and I swap the Alt and "Win" keys (Mac layout).
So are you saying you would use a 1U blue backslash?
Official mockup updated with more accurate legends:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZuXRia7.png)
In case anyone's wondering, this project is still alive and kicking. I'm eagerly waiting along with many of you to find out what happens with the Badwrench buy.
Matching that set was one of my main goals for this buy, but I really want to stick with Cherry font for the legends. If SP doesn't offer to remake the keys in the right font I'm not really sure what to do...
I'll be buying this for sure, I actually have a use for alps caps now! If it drops could we get blanks for each row in a few colors?
I guess it really doesn't matter what happens with Badwrench, this set is what it is and Cherry fonts are probably the only way to go.Just 1u keys for each row that match the colors. SP does single key blank child deals all the time.I'll be buying this for sure, I actually have a use for alps caps now! If it drops could we get blanks for each row in a few colors?
I've got a soft cap on extra keys at this point for cost reasons... what blanks/colors are you thinking of?
I guess it really doesn't matter what happens with Badwrench, this set is what it is and Cherry fonts are probably the only way to go.Just 1u keys for each row that match the colors. SP does single key blank child deals all the time.I'll be buying this for sure, I actually have a use for alps caps now! If it drops could we get blanks for each row in a few colors?
I've got a soft cap on extra keys at this point for cost reasons... what blanks/colors are you thinking of?
I guess it really doesn't matter what happens with Badwrench, this set is what it is and Cherry fonts are probably the only way to go.Just 1u keys for each row that match the colors. SP does single key blank child deals all the time.I'll be buying this for sure, I actually have a use for alps caps now! If it drops could we get blanks for each row in a few colors?
I've got a soft cap on extra keys at this point for cost reasons... what blanks/colors are you thinking of?
OK so some gray and blue blanks in the different route profiles, I understand. But how are the child deals arranged? Like one child deal for each single cap or what?
I guess it really doesn't matter what happens with Badwrench, this set is what it is and Cherry fonts are probably the only way to go.Just 1u keys for each row that match the colors. SP does single key blank child deals all the time.I'll be buying this for sure, I actually have a use for alps caps now! If it drops could we get blanks for each row in a few colors?
I've got a soft cap on extra keys at this point for cost reasons... what blanks/colors are you thinking of?
OK so some gray and blue blanks in the different route profiles, I understand. But how are the child deals arranged? Like one child deal for each single cap or what?
This will not be a PMK buy, I'm going to run it the old-fashioned way to save costs. I don't think PMK provides enough exposure to justify the overhead.
I will check with SP and see how they would handle child deals for a traditional buy. I imagine they won't have a problem if I hand them a purchase order for X quantity of full sets, X qty R1 blanks in GTL, X qty R2 blanks in BGA, etc.
If you would like to include the glider mod keys (either 1.25u, 1u, or both), I hereby grant you permission to use the legends. They have already been cut, so there should be no extra cost.
And if you don't want to use them, just carry on, then. :)
I'm personally really psyched about the glider legends on Badwrench's set. But I'm trying to keep the number of extra keys to a minimum on this one, and the Alps logo is the more appropriate/universal of the two. Thanks though!
If you would like to include the glider mod keys (either 1.25u, 1u, or both), I hereby grant you permission to use the legends. They have already been cut, so there should be no extra cost.
And if you don't want to use them, just carry on, then. :)
I'm personally really psyched about the glider legends on Badwrench's set. But I'm trying to keep the number of extra keys to a minimum on this one, and the Alps logo is the more appropriate/universal of the two. Thanks though!
If you would like to include the glider mod keys (either 1.25u, 1u, or both), I hereby grant you permission to use the legends. They have already been cut, so there should be no extra cost.
And if you don't want to use them, just carry on, then. :)
I'm personally really psyched about the glider legends on Badwrench's set. But I'm trying to keep the number of extra keys to a minimum on this one, and the Alps logo is the more appropriate/universal of the two. Thanks though!
I am liking the slider more and more and you can't go wrong with the alps logo. Can't wait for the option of a matching spacebar! Mine is a cut down matias 7x. Still need to finish sanding and polishing it, but so far it works fine.
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If you would like to include the glider mod keys (either 1.25u, 1u, or both), I hereby grant you permission to use the legends. They have already been cut, so there should be no extra cost.
And if you don't want to use them, just carry on, then. :)
I'm personally really psyched about the glider legends on Badwrench's set. But I'm trying to keep the number of extra keys to a minimum on this one, and the Alps logo is the more appropriate/universal of the two. Thanks though!
I am liking the slider more and more and you can't go wrong with the alps logo. Can't wait for the option of a matching spacebar! Mine is a cut down matias 7x. Still need to finish sanding and polishing it, but so far it works fine.
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If you would like to include the glider mod keys (either 1.25u, 1u, or both), I hereby grant you permission to use the legends. They have already been cut, so there should be no extra cost.
And if you don't want to use them, just carry on, then. :)
I'm personally really psyched about the glider legends on Badwrench's set. But I'm trying to keep the number of extra keys to a minimum on this one, and the Alps logo is the more appropriate/universal of the two. Thanks though!
I am liking the slider more and more and you can't go wrong with the alps logo. Can't wait for the option of a matching spacebar! Mine is a cut down matias 7x. Still need to finish sanding and polishing it, but so far it works fine.
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Looks awesome! I really like it with the off-white caps (chicony?)
I'm very interested in buying this set!
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I'm very interested in buying this set!Posts: 1
So interested he made an account just for the occasion.
I'm going to contact SP on Tuesday and get pricing sorted out ASAP. As soon as that's all figured out I'll move forward with the GB thread.
I'm very interested in buying this set!Posts: 1
So interested he made an account just for the occasion.
I'm very interested in buying this set!Posts: 1
So interested he made an account just for the occasion.
how else am I meant to join the GB without an account ;)
Also, to the OP, forgot to say Rust Belt represent.
Update: As promised, I emailed Melissa @ SP this morning. I'll let you guys know as soon as I hear back. Starting to get psyched!Also, to the OP, forgot to say Rust Belt represent.
Word. BTW, Cleveland is a comeback city now. I don't know what that means, but hey!
Update: As promised, I emailed Melissa @ SP this morning. I'll let you guys know as soon as I hear back. Starting to get psyched!Also, to the OP, forgot to say Rust Belt represent.
Word. BTW, Cleveland is a comeback city now. I don't know what that means, but hey!
I'm so curious to hear what the prices are going to look like! Are you sure running this so quickly after such a fast IC is a good idea? Well, I suppose if this won't need a MQO for getting made or anything, then it doesn't really matter. I'm still in regardless of price.
Update: As promised, I emailed Melissa @ SP this morning. I'll let you guys know as soon as I hear back. Starting to get psyched!Also, to the OP, forgot to say Rust Belt represent.
Word. BTW, Cleveland is a comeback city now. I don't know what that means, but hey!
I'm so curious to hear what the prices are going to look like! Are you sure running this so quickly after such a fast IC is a good idea? Well, I suppose if this won't need a MQO for getting made or anything, then it doesn't really matter. I'm still in regardless of price.
I don't see any benefit of a long, drawn-out IC phase, especially since it seems like we've nailed down the colors and layout, which have been stable now for over a week. I'd rather keep the buy open for longer, and promote it like crazy. I also don't want to dawdle, because Lastpilot is waiting on us to start his own Alps GB and it's not fair to keep him waiting.
Definitely curious as to what colors Lastpilot has in mind for his set. Probably something with purple in it. :P
I am actually planning on doing an IC and GB on a full Alps set reproducing the Graphite colorway. Legends will be replaced with standard cherry. Side-print would be awesome but unlikely unless we get an awesome demand.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PCj9rXK.jpg)
Photo by Reaper
Definitely curious as to what colors Lastpilot has in mind for his set. Probably something with purple in it. :P
See below, from page 1 of this thread:I am actually planning on doing an IC and GB on a full Alps set reproducing the Graphite colorway. Legends will be replaced with standard cherry. Side-print would be awesome but unlikely unless we get an awesome demand.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PCj9rXK.jpg)
Photo by Reaper
Maybe we can get a few of us to do "half sponsorships"? I personally find having Control and Function typed out like that to be a bit wonky for the 1.25u form factor. The 1.5u Control doesn't look too bad but regardless it would be nice if that was also normal.
I'm willing to sponsor half for a 1.25u Fn key if somebody else will sponsor the other half.
I'm not sure on the specifics/politics of group buys but is it possible to distribute the cost throughout the whole GB? For example if 30 people joined the cost for $90 would only add up to $3 extra dollars.
I'm not sure on the specifics/politics of group buys but is it possible to distribute the cost throughout the whole GB? For example if 30 people joined the cost for $90 would only add up to $3 extra dollars.
I'm willing to sponsor the Fn legends either partially or fully. I don't care enough about Control vs Ctrl.
I'm willing to sponsor the Fn legends either partially or fully. I don't care enough about Control vs Ctrl.
So do you want to do $22.50 and I'll do the other $22.50?
(including the potential availability of an AEKII spacebar, keep your fingers crossed but don't get your hopes up).Keeping my fingers crossed.
Okay, Alps fans. I hope you're sitting down.
Signature Plastics has AEKII spacebars!
That's right, SP can do 6.5U spacebars, and they can do them with Alps mounts. So Alpine Winter will now support full AEKII layout compatibility!
Excellent news njbair!I believe DCS runs on a different production line than SA, so we may not have to wait that long.
This could end up being a lot less expensive than we were all anticipating at the beginning.
Of course, we still have the absurd SP backlog to contend with. I think they're saying late-Feb for new buys like Danger Zone.
I believe DCS runs on a different production line than SA, so we may not have to wait that long.
Following on the heels of Badwrench's Alps GB success (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.0) (man does it feel good to say that), I wonder if we've got enough momentum now for a successful Alps 60% full set buy. The aim of this set is full 60% compatibility in a single kit. This includes Dell AT101(W), AEKII, and Infinity Hacker layouts. I also really want these to work with Badwrench's modifiers for mixing and matching, so the keys will be DCS profile with Cherry font legends in a colorway that compliments BX teal blue. The set includes modifiers with the same Alps icon as the Badwrench mods (special thanks to nubbinator for permission to use the 1.25x Alps key).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qKKVqLR.png)
Colors are BGA and GTL.
Would you want to add an ISO kit?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XjOY60X.jpg)
Remember, this is an interest check. Nothing is set in stone at this point, except for the non-negotiable stated goals of maximum layout compatibility, and colors that work with Badwrench's modifiers.
Let me know if I missed any important keys for compatibility's sake. And of course, let me know if you're interested!
Some previous colorway ideas, for posterityMoreThe first iteration of BGA/GTL, with BX teal modifier legends.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IqmuIQR.png)
Badwrench's suggestion (similar to Hyperfuse):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7mxTfqT.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/g3H6gE5.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xi4LYVf.png)
My [misguided] original colorway idea, for discussion context:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qnR7OWM.png)
The colors pictured are SP ABS colors YL yellow with black legends for the alphas, and RDA purple with--you guessed it--BX teal blue legends for the modifiers. These colors were chosen because yellow and purple complete a color wheel triad with cyan/teal.
Would you want to add an ISO kit?
Two keys. Honestly, I don't think it would add anything to the final cost.Would you want to add an ISO kit?
TBH I'm not an ISO guy so I'm not even sure what more that would require. I would be willing to list it as a child pack, but I wouldn't have high expectations for it to tip, since so far nobody has brought it up in this IC. I also don't know if SP has all the legends cut in the Cherry-replica set that you would need. If not we would need to furnish artwork files and an additional $45 per legend.
With that said, are you willing to mock something up for me to send to SP? I'm sure they can get me pricing.
Two keys. Honestly, I don't think it would add anything to the final cost.Would you want to add an ISO kit?
TBH I'm not an ISO guy so I'm not even sure what more that would require. I would be willing to list it as a child pack, but I wouldn't have high expectations for it to tip, since so far nobody has brought it up in this IC. I also don't know if SP has all the legends cut in the Cherry-replica set that you would need. If not we would need to furnish artwork files and an additional $45 per legend.
With that said, are you willing to mock something up for me to send to SP? I'm sure they can get me pricing.
ISO enter + 1,25u shift is needed.
Those couple of keys for ISO users might be useful to BlueNalgene's Alps Party 3, since I believe he will be offering ISO plates as well.Two keys. Honestly, I don't think it would add anything to the final cost.Would you want to add an ISO kit?
TBH I'm not an ISO guy so I'm not even sure what more that would require. I would be willing to list it as a child pack, but I wouldn't have high expectations for it to tip, since so far nobody has brought it up in this IC. I also don't know if SP has all the legends cut in the Cherry-replica set that you would need. If not we would need to furnish artwork files and an additional $45 per legend.
With that said, are you willing to mock something up for me to send to SP? I'm sure they can get me pricing.
ISO enter + 1,25u shift is needed.
Don't you also need the little 1U key that sits next to the short right shift? Or are you just planning to use one of the extra R4 1U keys?
I will not add it to the base set for a few reasons, mainly I've already received final pricing from SP for what's pictured; nobody has expressed interest in ISO for this set, until now; and I'm not sure an SP Alps ISO enter without stabilizers to match would even be useful. But I will pursue it as a child pack if you want.
This is a really good point that I hadn't considered. But as I said, I've already gotten pricing from SP and I've actually already got the GB thread written and awaiting moderation.Those couple of keys for ISO users might be useful to BlueNalgene's Alps Party 3, since I believe he will be offering ISO plates as well.Two keys. Honestly, I don't think it would add anything to the final cost.Would you want to add an ISO kit?
TBH I'm not an ISO guy so I'm not even sure what more that would require. I would be willing to list it as a child pack, but I wouldn't have high expectations for it to tip, since so far nobody has brought it up in this IC. I also don't know if SP has all the legends cut in the Cherry-replica set that you would need. If not we would need to furnish artwork files and an additional $45 per legend.
With that said, are you willing to mock something up for me to send to SP? I'm sure they can get me pricing.
ISO enter + 1,25u shift is needed.
Don't you also need the little 1U key that sits next to the short right shift? Or are you just planning to use one of the extra R4 1U keys?
I will not add it to the base set for a few reasons, mainly I've already received final pricing from SP for what's pictured; nobody has expressed interest in ISO for this set, until now; and I'm not sure an SP Alps ISO enter without stabilizers to match would even be useful. But I will pursue it as a child pack if you want.
Not unless it was part of a bigger add-on pack. I don't think enough people would buy the 2 ISO keys that it would make MOQ.This is a really good point that I hadn't considered. But as I said, I've already gotten pricing from SP and I've actually already got the GB thread written and awaiting moderation.Those couple of keys for ISO users might be useful to BlueNalgene's Alps Party 3, since I believe he will be offering ISO plates as well.Two keys. Honestly, I don't think it would add anything to the final cost.Would you want to add an ISO kit?
TBH I'm not an ISO guy so I'm not even sure what more that would require. I would be willing to list it as a child pack, but I wouldn't have high expectations for it to tip, since so far nobody has brought it up in this IC. I also don't know if SP has all the legends cut in the Cherry-replica set that you would need. If not we would need to furnish artwork files and an additional $45 per legend.
With that said, are you willing to mock something up for me to send to SP? I'm sure they can get me pricing.
ISO enter + 1,25u shift is needed.
Don't you also need the little 1U key that sits next to the short right shift? Or are you just planning to use one of the extra R4 1U keys?
I will not add it to the base set for a few reasons, mainly I've already received final pricing from SP for what's pictured; nobody has expressed interest in ISO for this set, until now; and I'm not sure an SP Alps ISO enter without stabilizers to match would even be useful. But I will pursue it as a child pack if you want.
Do you think an add-on pack makes sense?
Also remember today Alps ISO is all kinds of ****y and inconsistent with stabilizer placement. Unless you make an SP specific plate and PCB, odds are it won't work.
What color should the ISO Enter key be, blue or gray? Also, if they don't already have a cherry legend for the ISO Enter are we ok with a blank?.Gray. Cherry legend would be fine, like in this Dell At102W -> http://i.imgur.com/guCl7.jpg. Simple, clean. If not, blank is fine with me.
Also remember today Alps ISO is all kinds of ****y and inconsistent with stabilizer placement. Unless you make an SP specific plate and PCB, odds are it won't work.Probably whoever designs the plate can adapt the stabilizer holes to whatever is available from SP. :shrug:
This would be the ideal thing. I'm in touch with BlueNalgene and he's confident that the ISO plates from his buy will work with SP ISO caps, but may require custom wires to be bent to fit the Cherry stab inserts. This is not a hard mod and it can be done by anyone with a pair of pliers.Also remember today Alps ISO is all kinds of ****y and inconsistent with stabilizer placement. Unless you make an SP specific plate and PCB, odds are it won't work.Probably whoever designs the plate can adapt the stabilizer holes to whatever is available from SP. :shrug:
What color should the ISO Enter key be, blue or gray? Also, if they don't already have a cherry legend for the ISO Enter are we ok with a blank?.Gray. Cherry legend would be fine, like in this Dell At102W -> http://i.imgur.com/guCl7.jpg. Simple, clean. If not, blank is fine with me.
If this set will have compatibility with the Matias KBParadise V60 Mini, you can count me in.Since the KBP v60 uses a standard ANSI layout, you can be sure Alpine Winter will support it, including options for color symmetry and alternate key positions (Control/CAPS, etc).
Since the KBP v60 uses a standard ANSI layout, you can be sure Alpine Winter will support it, including options for color symmetry and alternate key positions (Control/CAPS, etc).
My Infinity is ready for Alpine Winter. :3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uDUpeAx.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eIWaHg1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TvYPGSl.jpg)
My Infinity is ready for Alpine Winter. :3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uDUpeAx.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eIWaHg1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TvYPGSl.jpg)
Dang! That turned out great. I really hope the Alpine Winter set goes through, it is gonna look perfect!
My Infinity is ready for Alpine Winter. :3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uDUpeAx.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eIWaHg1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TvYPGSl.jpg)
Dang! That turned out great. I really hope the Alpine Winter set goes through, it is gonna look perfect!
What color should the ISO Enter key be, blue or gray? Also, if they don't already have a cherry legend for the ISO Enter are we ok with a blank?.Gray. Cherry legend would be fine, like in this Dell At102W -> http://i.imgur.com/guCl7.jpg. Simple, clean. If not, blank is fine with me.
Gray? Are you sure? The other modifiers are all blue. I'm looking at other ISO sets and they all make the Enter key the same color as the modifiers, unless they offer one of each (which I'm definitely not going to do).
After some looking around, it looks like the set would need four additional keys to support ISO: the Enter key, short left shift, a row 3 1U whose legend seems different in every example (I would leave it blank), and a row 4 1U backslash/tilde. Here is a mockup with those four keys included (far right):Show Image(http://imgur.com/5mrOoJN.png)
And an ISO layout mockup:Show Image(http://imgur.com/mOYbWUF.png)
Would this suit everyone's needs? Again, I would leave the Enter key blank if SP doesn't already have the legend cut, unless some ISO fan wants to sponsor it for $45.
Man, if SP could do SA for these, that would be pretty kewl.Baby steps...
I also presume that dsa profile is out of the question?It's DCS to match Badwrench's Infinity modifiers.
God dammit, we need some nice black blanks or black on black Dyesubs for Alps, which will never exist.
Why don't want anyone such a set, like the blackout one Ivan made? That would be so nice with a black aluminum case or the stock black poker case!
Always colors and Doubleshots... :(
We have too few options with Dyesubs for Alps...
God dammit, we need some nice black blanks or black on black Dyesubs for Alps, which will never exist.
Why don't want anyone such a set, like the blackout one Ivan made? That would be so nice with a black aluminum case or the stock black poker case!
Always colors and Doubleshots... :(
We have too few options with Dyesubs for Alps...
God dammit, we need some nice black blanks or black on black Dyesubs for Alps, which will never exist.Don't say then will never exist. Matias has PBT-dyesubs in the works. Maybe he can make those sweet black on black dyesubs for us ;D
Why don't want anyone such a set, like the blackout one Ivan made? That would be so nice with a black aluminum case or the stock black poker case!
Always colors and Doubleshots... :(
We have too few options with Dyesubs for Alps...
hmm, in my experience DCS is rather thin. i skimmed through the thread but didn't see this brought up, but I'm assuming GMK can't do ALPs switch mounts?Not sure if SP does SA, but I'm not sure Alps users and SA users overlap all that much.
and also wondering if SP can do SA w/ ALPs mount. was DCS chosen because of the wait time on SA keysets? do we know what the wait time is for DCS
will buy into this right away, even though I'm still waiting on my first ALPs board.
and also wondering if SP can do SA w/ ALPs mount. was DCS chosen because of the wait time on SA keysets? do we know what the wait time is for DCS
Good to know.and also wondering if SP can do SA w/ ALPs mount. was DCS chosen because of the wait time on SA keysets? do we know what the wait time is for DCS
The only profiles they have Alps mounts for are DCS and DSA. Of the two DCS is definitely the better choice.
Yes. I got the Granite set for my Novatouch. The set looks great and I like the feel of PBT. Unfortunately, I found that I have trouble typing on the spherical tops and flat DSA profile. I think that the flat DSA profile is the main issue for me. Therefore, I would prefer the DCS or SA sculpted profile over a flat profile such as DSA. Even some of the SA profile sets have been modifed to be all-Row 3 profile.Good to know.and also wondering if SP can do SA w/ ALPs mount. was DCS chosen because of the wait time on SA keysets? do we know what the wait time is for DCS
The only profiles they have Alps mounts for are DCS and DSA. Of the two DCS is definitely the better choice.
Maybe some day we can run an Alps DSA Granite buy or something. But at this point there's a lot of demand for Cherry-ish profile in the 60% form factor.
it looks like SP can do DCS in PBT (at least blanks, don't know about dye sub). would be great if we could get some PBT DCS blanks w/ Alps mount
So...silly question: any reason we can't get these caps (not blanks) in PBT instead of ABS? I know I'd be willing to throw down the extra $$ for PBT.SP does not do doubleshot PBT.
it looks like SP can do DCS in PBT (at least blanks, don't know about dye sub). would be great if we could get some PBT DCS blanks w/ Alps mount
So...silly question: any reason we can't get these caps (not blanks) in PBT instead of ABS? I know I'd be willing to throw down the extra $$ for PBT.
Regarding PBT, it's a non-option. If looks weren't a factor, I would have much preferred to go cheaper on some dyesub PBTs but I want Alpine Winter to be something really special.