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Offline Toriaki

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[IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated-Discord channel]
« on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 18:46:42 »
Introducing Keeblast TKL

An anodized aluminum case with full brass bottom, hot swap PCB and a gasket mount plate.



Update x2
Ladies and gents!
In order go give you updates more often, we've created a modest discord server.
You can access it through this link: https://discord.gg/sGKJY5aZvM
Feel free to come along!

Update
Ladies and gents,
We're getting the last parts to the CNC very soon! (Prototype even closer!)
We're also having and E-White option and not an anodized white (aparently, that's not even a thing).
And we'll implement some of your suggestions:
- Split left shift support
- Split right shift support
- Split backspace support

If you don't see your suggestion here, don't worry, we're still going through them!




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Specifications

Case

Anodized aluminum top and body;
Both regular and WKL top available;
Full brass bottom (optional aluminum bottom);
Internal cork dampener;
Typing angle: 6º;
Colors considered (dependent on anodization services, to be confirmed):
        White Soul (matte white)        Classic Blue (blue)        Coal (matte black)        Bok Choy (green)        Burgundy (red)        Peach Bud (pink)        Pak Choi (purple)        Excalibur (gray)


Plate

ANSI and ISO support;
USB-C connection;
Aluminum or brass body.


PCB

ISO or ANSI available;
QMK and VIA compatible;
Per key RGB led;
Hot swap;
Considering a black version.


Includes knob, rotary encoder and OLED screen.
Does not include keycaps or switches!

Expected price for this kit:
Aluminum bottom version - TBD
Brass bottom version - TBD

Prototype coming soon!

Please register your interest and leave any tips/suggestions by filling this form!
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeZa4vfQqu8kMrTjFCScfuKVilZEU1_Lg2gvVXm-oostUWTXA/viewform?usp=sf_link
Thank you <3
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 18:51:11 »
A TKL Sat75

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 18:51:57 »


kinda sus

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 18:53:07 »
Good price


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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 18:53:23 »
this is a TKL, looks interesting especially with that price point

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 18:59:04 »
i see tkl im interested

But need to see proto

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 18:59:35 »
Ne screws avail?

Very interested to see if you can hit that price point

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 19:04:35 »
looks like it needs to be ironed out a bit, but the tkl with knob + oled there has been on the mind for a while, good idea - not many people typically use those three keys anyway

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 19:06:40 »
looks like it needs to be ironed out a bit, but the tkl with knob + oled there has been on the mind for a while, good idea - not many people typically use those three keys anyway
True, I use print screen and be done with those.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 19:07:47 »
How are you getting this board's pricepoint so low?

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 19:14:32 »
I think it is best to go back to the drawing board with this and come back with a more flushed out idea.
For starters, just after looking at your renders you don't seem to have actually implemented any screws into the design. As a big FYI here, you need screws to put the board together, unless you're thinking of magnets, which won't be able to hold that massive bottom together with the case top.
(Also haven't seen a USB port in any of the renders - but I am going to give the benefit of the doubt in that it is somewhere on the rear of the case top that we just can't see from the render angles provided)

For the flex cut in your plate, I would suggest moving the top most cut above row 3 rather than keeping it below, as not doing so can result in pretty inconsistent flex - this isn't me just talking out of my ass, but out of experience testing flex cut positioning on a range of formfactors.

In regards to your estimated pricing, I implore you to just delete that section right now. You evidently have no clue how much these units will cost as you put a mere 40 euro price difference between a brass bottom vs alu bottom board, in which just by looking at the design, that would be massive f*cking piece of brass. Estimated prices are generally better once you have a good idea as to what your board would cost to machine plus hardware/packaging/PCBs/etc.

There are a few things that I personally am not fond of with this design, but that is not my place to say.

Please take this back to the drawing board and spend some more time on this project to push it in the right direction.
GLWIC

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 20:21:39 »
Colors looking good but TKL Satisfaction75

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 21:04:05 »
Overall feels uninspired.  Hopefully your prototype does more justice then the renders do.
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 21:06:08 »
what was the listed price point before the post was edited?

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 21:15:55 »
what was the listed price point before the post was edited?

2 dollars  ;D

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 08 February 2021, 22:06:21 »
Interesting...going to wait to read this when it's more thought-out with better renders before I judge this and call it a tkl satisfaction.
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 01:01:02 »
Interested, would def be on one of my to cop lists if it's hotswap and usb isn't in the center ^-^

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:38:24 »
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Fair enough, but the point was actually to remove the same keys that were replaced with the encoder and OLED.
Thank you for your feedback.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:39:22 »
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kinda sus

Brass bottom has been ejected.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:40:50 »
this is a TKL, looks interesting especially with that price point

Thank you very much, kind sir.
Has you probably have already read, we might have had a couple of premature points featured, but we'll keep in touch.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:41:33 »
i see tkl im interested

But need to see proto

We hope to speak to you soon, gentleman!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:42:35 »
Ne screws avail?

Very interested to see if you can hit that price point

Yep, we should have worked a little better on the details, mostly a detail that holds the whole board 😂
We'll get in touch and keep this thread updated.
Thank you for your interest.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:44:03 »
looks like it needs to be ironed out a bit, but the tkl with knob + oled there has been on the mind for a while, good idea - not many people typically use those three keys anyway

Yes, after the feedback we've been getting, we sure will change things and improve the existing concept.
The knob and oled were added exactly for that reason, as far as I know, there aren't a lot of people using those top keys.
Thank you for your coment!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:46:48 »
How are you getting this board's pricepoint so low?

We were working with some quotes we got but it was a bit premature to advance with those prices, since we were not considering some factors. (That's why the price tags were removed).
Still, we'll do our best not to go up a lot regarding that matter.

Thank you for your feedback!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:53:37 »
I think it is best to go back to the drawing board with this and come back with a more flushed out idea.
For starters, just after looking at your renders you don't seem to have actually implemented any screws into the design. As a big FYI here, you need screws to put the board together, unless you're thinking of magnets, which won't be able to hold that massive bottom together with the case top.
(Also haven't seen a USB port in any of the renders - but I am going to give the benefit of the doubt in that it is somewhere on the rear of the case top that we just can't see from the render angles provided)

For the flex cut in your plate, I would suggest moving the top most cut above row 3 rather than keeping it below, as not doing so can result in pretty inconsistent flex - this isn't me just talking out of my ass, but out of experience testing flex cut positioning on a range of formfactors.

In regards to your estimated pricing, I implore you to just delete that section right now. You evidently have no clue how much these units will cost as you put a mere 40 euro price difference between a brass bottom vs alu bottom board, in which just by looking at the design, that would be massive f*cking piece of brass. Estimated prices are generally better once you have a good idea as to what your board would cost to machine plus hardware/packaging/PCBs/etc.

There are a few things that I personally am not fond of with this design, but that is not my place to say.

Please take this back to the drawing board and spend some more time on this project to push it in the right direction.
GLWIC

Kind sir, thank you a lot for your comment. To me, this is the most constructive feedback we're gotten so far.
You are right in so many levels.
We'll get back to you on the plate matter, if you don't mind giving a little hand.
Yes, the screws are missing, even though we're doing our best to keep as many hidden as we possibly can (we probably can't go as far as getting no screws visible, but we sure we'll try).
And you're right, the usb port is on the top left, and also hidden in renders.
Regarding the biggest issue you addressed, the pricing, we were working with some quotes we were given, including packaging, all the metal parts, CNCing, etc, etc, but it has come to our attention that we forgot a couple variables on the equation and therefore, thank you for imploring us to delete the price 😂

We will take the board for a "couple of rides" before updating you guys on it and hopefully we'll have some protos soon.

Thank you very much for your comment, it was an eye opener in so many ways and you gives us the will to continue improving until we find a sweetspot for the most part.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:55:36 »
Overall feels uninspired.  Hopefully your prototype does more justice then the renders do.

Thank you for your comment!

Is that because it resembles the Satisfaction board?
That was not the point, our only goal was to remove the top keys with something we considered more functional.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:57:21 »
Interesting...going to wait to read this when it's more thought-out with better renders before I judge this and call it a tkl satisfaction.

Thank you for your feedback.

We'll get back to you, hopefully with something you guys don't address directly to satisfaction, because that wasn't the point at all.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:58:13 »
Interested, would def be on one of my to cop lists if it's hotswap and usb isn't in the center ^-^

Thank you for your comment!

We're looking forward to make improvements and get back to you guys!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 02:58:53 »
Looking forward to seeing the protos! Like the layout, rarely use the 3 keys the knob/panel replace.
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 03:10:48 »
Looking forward to seeing the protos! Like the layout, rarely use the 3 keys the knob/panel replace.

Thank you!
It was for that exact reason we added the knob and the oled, to get a bit more fuctionality on the board.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 03:48:38 »
I've been following the development of this project closely and before the IC was posted.

It does look promising and hopefully, by producing the prototype, the maker can learn and iron out a lot of the concerns showcased here. If anything it will be a great learning experience.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 05:19:36 »
I've been following the development of this project closely and before the IC was posted.

It does look promising and hopefully, by producing the prototype, the maker can learn and iron out a lot of the concerns showcased here. If anything it will be a great learning experience.

Thank you for your kind words! <3
Exactly our thoughts!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 05:43:54 »
Technically not a TKL, soooo...kinda sus. 

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 05:59:03 »
Technically not a TKL, soooo...kinda sus.

Are we really going that way? 😂

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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 06:14:49 »

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 06:41:02 »
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kinda sus

Brass bottom has been ejected.

What?

Well, I guess it was a bad reference if you didn't get it 😐
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 10:38:52 »
How much would you anticipate this to weigh?

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 10:41:06 »
Oled and knob im in.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 11:35:12 »
How much would you anticipate this to weigh?

According to the CAD software, about 3kg (or around 6.6lbs), which is not light at all, but we thing it'll pay off.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 04:04:34 »
observing this topic :D

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 04:28:25 »
looking great, eager to see the next developments  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 04:29:17 »
looking great, eager to see the next developments  :thumb:

Thank you very much, Mr. Prelim. <3

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 05:11:10 »
newspaper

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 05:53:20 »
newspaper

Not a spoon then. I like it.
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 13:02:50 »
Great placement on the Oled and knob. Looking forward to more updates.
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 13:04:16 »
Great placement on the Oled and knob. Looking forward to more updates.

Thank you! Looking forward to giving you guys updates soon!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 13:22:11 »
Love the colors and knob

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 13:22:59 »
Love the colors and knob

Thank you very much! <3

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 08:57:39 »
have you got a discord or insta I can follow?

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 09:30:54 »
have you got a discord or insta I can follow?

Not yet, but very soon :)

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 10:30:04 »
Remove the unsightly keebblast logo and I am sold

I would love this project if it there was an option to not had the logo on the bottom.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 12:03:19 »
How much would you anticipate this to weigh?

According to the CAD software, about 3kg (or around 6.6lbs), which is not light at all, but we thing it'll pay off.

I’m curious about how accurate this.

My KBD8X MKII is 3kg fully built, with the brass weight only comprising maybe 30% of the base. I’d expect a keyboard of similar dimensions with a solid brass bottom to be significantly heavier.
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 00:05:07 »
How much would you anticipate this to weigh?

According to the CAD software, about 3kg (or around 6.6lbs), which is not light at all, but we thing it'll pay off.

I’m curious about how accurate this.

My KBD8X MKII is 3kg fully built, with the brass weight only comprising maybe 30% of the base. I’d expect a keyboard of similar dimensions with a solid brass bottom to be significantly heavier.

6.6lbs / 3kg is very heavy. I have a prototype of a TKL I've made that was estimated to be around that weight, and in reality the estimate is quite accurate. 3kg is VERY HEAVY for an unbuilt TKL, I'm surprised your 8X weighs that much!!


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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 01:58:52 »
How much would you anticipate this to weigh?

According to the CAD software, about 3kg (or around 6.6lbs), which is not light at all, but we thing it'll pay off.

I’m curious about how accurate this.

My KBD8X MKII is 3kg fully built, with the brass weight only comprising maybe 30% of the base. I’d expect a keyboard of similar dimensions with a solid brass bottom to be significantly heavier.

6.6lbs / 3kg is very heavy. I have a prototype of a TKL I've made that was estimated to be around that weight, and in reality the estimate is quite accurate. 3kg is VERY HEAVY for an unbuilt TKL, I'm surprised your 8X weighs that much!!

I said built, not unbuilt.

I rounded up a little to be fair, total weight with a set of GMK caps is 2767g / 6.1lbs. My point though was that the brass weight represents 1229g / 2.1lbs of that weight while being about 30% (probably a little less) of the bottom half of the case.

Provided that the aluminium top half is equal in weight, I’d expect a TKL with a completely brass bottom, unless it’s very thin brass, to be more in the 4kg - 5kg range.
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 03:21:03 »
How much would you anticipate this to weigh?

According to the CAD software, about 3kg (or around 6.6lbs), which is not light at all, but we thing it'll pay off.

I’m curious about how accurate this.

My KBD8X MKII is 3kg fully built, with the brass weight only comprising maybe 30% of the base. I’d expect a keyboard of similar dimensions with a solid brass bottom to be significantly heavier.

We're talking about the unbilt keyboard, only taking in consideration the case, the plate and the pcb.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 03:22:34 »
How much would you anticipate this to weigh?

According to the CAD software, about 3kg (or around 6.6lbs), which is not light at all, but we thing it'll pay off.

I’m curious about how accurate this.

My KBD8X MKII is 3kg fully built, with the brass weight only comprising maybe 30% of the base. I’d expect a keyboard of similar dimensions with a solid brass bottom to be significantly heavier.

6.6lbs / 3kg is very heavy. I have a prototype of a TKL I've made that was estimated to be around that weight, and in reality the estimate is quite accurate. 3kg is VERY HEAVY for an unbuilt TKL, I'm surprised your 8X weighs that much!!

There's also some other tkl's that weigh the same, unbuilt. We can try and make it lighter but is there really a point in that?

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 03:23:46 »
We're talking about the unbilt keyboard, only taking in consideration the case, the plate and the pcb.

I get that, though keycaps and switches only had a few hundred grabs, in my experience.

I guess what I’m saying is, I’m curious how thick the brass is planned to be if the case only weighs 3kg?

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 03:25:08 »
6.6lbs / 3kg is very heavy. I have a prototype of a TKL I've made that was estimated to be around that weight, and in reality the estimate is quite accurate. 3kg is VERY HEAVY for an unbuilt TKL, I'm surprised your 8X weighs that much!!

There's also some other tkl's that weigh the same, unbuilt. We can try and make it lighter but is there really a point in that?
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I don’t think either of us are suggesting it be lighter, nothing wrong with it being heavy, I just think you’re lowballing the weight, hehe
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 03:25:26 »
Pretty dope, can't wait for the proto build


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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 04:33:43 »
Pretty dope, can't wait for the proto build

Thank you <3

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 06:30:00 »
6.6lbs / 3kg is very heavy. I have a prototype of a TKL I've made that was estimated to be around that weight, and in reality the estimate is quite accurate. 3kg is VERY HEAVY for an unbuilt TKL, I'm surprised your 8X weighs that much!!

There's also some other tkl's that weigh the same, unbuilt. We can try and make it lighter but is there really a point in that?

I don’t think either of us are suggesting it be lighter, nothing wrong with it being heavy, I just think you’re lowballing the weight, hehe
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Just working with the cad weights so far, we can't really be sure it'll only be those 3kg, but we'll get back to you with more information.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 14:07:18 »
I really like this but i'm not liking the back weight, too much empty space with that little logo in the middle, i would prefer some more interesting engraving art on the back weight.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #66 on: Sat, 13 February 2021, 02:47:42 »
I really like this but i'm not liking the back weight, too much empty space with that little logo in the middle, i would prefer some more interesting engraving art on the back weight.

That's some great idea!
Thank you for your feedback!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 15 February 2021, 01:01:29 »
I love how the board is shaping up! I really like how you have taken advantage of the top right of the board (since I don't even use those keys most of the time on my tkls)

One point that has come up a lot is the bottom render of the board. I think that, not only should there be more renders of the bottom, but maybe a better design of the logo to make the board stand out more would also be nice. Furthermore, if you were to make the whole bottom out of brass (which I think seems to be the common weight material nowadays), it would be incredibly heavy (I dig it, but could also drive the price incredibly high). as such, a separated weight might also be a good option.

This is more of a personal taste, but I have found that I tend to like slightly deeper colors (ie. more wine than red, deep navy than sapphire blue and so on).
I also tend to like centered usb ports more than left or right sided ones.

I love how things are right now! Can't wait for your next iteration!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 15 February 2021, 18:54:44 »
Bok Choy, I'm done

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 16 February 2021, 02:06:40 »
Just saw this again but is it winkeyless or the window key is an option? Def would go for this since Idk if I read last time but it's hotswap which is what I was looking for!
« Last Edit: Tue, 16 February 2021, 02:10:57 by oathsworn »

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 16 February 2021, 04:08:24 »
Unless you redesign the mounting point for the plate, I don't think this is going to flex much, you should look into how leaf-spring work, but if you're not going to, just go with top mount for your first design, it's hard to do gasket mount as your first board and not f*ck it up lol and also good top mount > bad gasket mount.

And am I the only few people that use the 3 top right keys for media keys? I mapped the key to [Previous] [Pause/Play] [Next] lol, not sad to see it go tho, I'm going to wait for the more fleshed-out render and plate design until I say anything more about the board.

Also, just my opinion but the logo on the brass is looking a little childish(?), personally, I would love to see a more minimalist design to go with a pure brass weight.



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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 16 February 2021, 11:05:05 »
Oh yeah so far something like this would you need to remap the print screen button to something then?

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 16 February 2021, 11:09:49 »
Oh yeah so far something like this would you need to remap the print screen button to something then?

Personally I don't use window's printscreen function, I use an open source program called ShareX, try it out, it's pretty good :)))

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 16 February 2021, 11:48:38 »
Oh yeah so far something like this would you need to remap the print screen button to something then?

Personally I don't use window's printscreen function, I use an open source program called ShareX, try it out, it's pretty good :)))
I am so glad I saw this. I just downloaded the application and screen shots are sooo much easier now! Thanks!


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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 18 February 2021, 15:55:17 »
I love the back plate. If I got one I'd polish it to mirror shine and clear coat it. That shine with the blue OOF

Offline oathsworn

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #75 on: Sun, 21 February 2021, 20:44:20 »
Also do you have any plans to make a discord for updates to this board? This thing just fits everything I need in a perfect board right now that I've been waiting awhile for on a TKL.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #76 on: Sun, 21 February 2021, 21:38:39 »
Interesting, I dig it on a lot of levels. I do hope the Proto turns out well.
« Last Edit: Tue, 09 March 2021, 23:41:36 by Extra Fox »
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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #77 on: Sun, 21 February 2021, 21:52:30 »
i don't like the logo on the bottom.

Offline DeMechanica

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #78 on: Sun, 21 February 2021, 23:07:22 »
I think it is best to go back to the drawing board with this and come back with a more flushed out idea.
For starters, just after looking at your renders you don't seem to have actually implemented any screws into the design. As a big FYI here, you need screws to put the board together, unless you're thinking of magnets, which won't be able to hold that massive bottom together with the case top.
(Also haven't seen a USB port in any of the renders - but I am going to give the benefit of the doubt in that it is somewhere on the rear of the case top that we just can't see from the render angles provided)

For the flex cut in your plate, I would suggest moving the top most cut above row 3 rather than keeping it below, as not doing so can result in pretty inconsistent flex - this isn't me just talking out of my ass, but out of experience testing flex cut positioning on a range of formfactors.

In regards to your estimated pricing, I implore you to just delete that section right now. You evidently have no clue how much these units will cost as you put a mere 40 euro price difference between a brass bottom vs alu bottom board, in which just by looking at the design, that would be massive f*cking piece of brass. Estimated prices are generally better once you have a good idea as to what your board would cost to machine plus hardware/packaging/PCBs/etc.

There are a few things that I personally am not fond of with this design, but that is not my place to say.

Please take this back to the drawing board and spend some more time on this project to push it in the right direction.
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Good feedback! But aren’t you perfectly placed to share your personal preferences w/ respect to the design?

Personally, I think it looks awesome! Except for the logo, which to me doesn’t fit the premium design of the keyboard.
« Last Edit: Sun, 21 February 2021, 23:08:56 by DeMechanica »

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 22 February 2021, 10:18:47 »
i’m a simple man, i see OLED, i hit like

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #80 on: Tue, 09 March 2021, 00:31:43 »
Really interested in this keyboard, was wondering if there will be a discord!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 09 March 2021, 00:55:14 »
Please consider centered usb C using daughterboard. Thanks

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 09 March 2021, 00:57:49 »
How much would you anticipate this to weigh?

According to the CAD software, about 3kg (or around 6.6lbs), which is not light at all, but we thing it'll pay off.

I’m curious about how accurate this.

My KBD8X MKII is 3kg fully built, with the brass weight only comprising maybe 30% of the base. I’d expect a keyboard of similar dimensions with a solid brass bottom to be significantly heavier.

6.6lbs / 3kg is very heavy. I have a prototype of a TKL I've made that was estimated to be around that weight, and in reality the estimate is quite accurate. 3kg is VERY HEAVY for an unbuilt TKL, I'm surprised your 8X weighs that much!!

I said built, not unbuilt.

I rounded up a little to be fair, total weight with a set of GMK caps is 2767g / 6.1lbs. My point though was that the brass weight represents 1229g / 2.1lbs of that weight while being about 30% (probably a little less) of the bottom half of the case.

Provided that the aluminium top half is equal in weight, I’d expect a TKL with a completely brass bottom, unless it’s very thin brass, to be more in the 4kg - 5kg range.

sry did not see the response to this. i am still surprised that your 8x weighs that much built haha. but the point i was trying to make is that the weight estimates I have in my CAD software are pretty decent, they calculate the weight based on volume and material and the actual result wasn't too far off.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 09 March 2021, 15:19:52 »
I really like this.
I'm not a fan of the back weight design, would appreciate some more engravings

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #84 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 01:32:09 »
This looks like something that would be quite close to my endgame keyboard (we all know that "endgame" is a lie in this hobby, so let's just say it would be my daily driver). My only gripe is the empty space between arrow keys and the six-key cluster above it; to me, that empty space just stands out. I'll readily admit to not knowing anything about designing PCBs and plates and this following idea is probably going to drive up the price immensely, but if I had unlimited cash, I would try to push the six keys upwards and fit three more keys below it (I'd program the nine keys into a numpad) or add a button or light. But again, I'm fantasizing. At the very least, if (or rather when) I purchase the keyboard as is, I would glue on a metal badge (or even just a metal horizontal bar) to fill up the negative space below the six-key cluster.
« Last Edit: Thu, 11 March 2021, 13:35:14 by InvXXVII »

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #85 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 11:16:32 »
Great variety of colors!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 12:10:37 »
I'm really looking forward to this. Definitely looking at CF plate option too if possible!

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 22:51:39 »
Cf or pc plate options please


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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 22:54:28 »
Cf or pc plate options please


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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #89 on: Fri, 26 March 2021, 03:07:27 »
Any update on this?

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #90 on: Fri, 26 March 2021, 04:02:59 »
when it group buy?? I'm very exciting

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 04 April 2021, 16:24:48 »
Any update on this?

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 04 April 2021, 18:15:40 »
I was thinking it seemed under weighted with the entire base being brass as well - and I think we're saying we were hoping it's be in the 4-5kg range NOT lighter, please not lighter. I have a kbd8x as well and comes in right at 6.2 built and I'm not into anything lighter in a TKL after feeling that heft. Just no substitute, girthy for life (g4l).

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #93 on: Tue, 27 April 2021, 08:23:58 »
this looks very poggers

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL
« Reply #94 on: Tue, 27 April 2021, 08:34:56 »

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated]
« Reply #95 on: Tue, 27 April 2021, 10:17:29 »
Definitely interested in this! I'd love for there to be an option for a polycarbonate or carbon fiber plate and also plate foam

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated-Discord channel]
« Reply #96 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 00:50:03 »
discord link is dead. would like to join for more real time updates





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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated-Discord channel]
« Reply #97 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 11:29:01 »
discord link is dead. would like to join for more real time updates

https://discord.gg/sGKJY5aZvM

This should be a permanent link.

Offline derpturtle

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated-Discord channel]
« Reply #98 on: Fri, 04 June 2021, 13:19:06 »
looks to me like the design could use a bit more polishing, but the knob+oled location is pretty dece. something to keep in mind though, it looks like your plate uses a regular mx 14x14mm cutout for the encoder. assuming you will be using an alps ec11, this will work fine for the most part but you will be unable to remove the encoder from the pcb without desoldering the whole board and taking off the plate because of interference with the encoder's pins. its just a minor quality of life thing that probably wont affect most, but its a small enough change to make.

all in all though, im very interested to see where you take this board. glwic my guy.

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Re: [IC] Keeblast TKL [Updated-Discord channel]
« Reply #99 on: Sat, 05 June 2021, 22:11:44 »
DISCORD LINK IS NOT WORKING