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geekhack Marketplace => Group Buys and Preorders => Topic started by: HoodrowThrillson on Thu, 12 November 2020, 08:22:45

Title: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Thu, 12 November 2020, 08:22:45
JTK Tripleshot Griseann and JTK Royal Alpha
Featuring brand new tripleshot molds
I have a discord that I keep forgetting to post: here (https://discord.gg/ZAQGusdZBB)
I also have an instagram that I post on randomly: here (https://www.instagram.com/hoodrowthrillson/?hl=en)


(https://i.imgur.com/FREYbmJ.png)
Hineybush's HBCP

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Count
(https://i.postimg.cc/HxzKLfmY/JTKgriseann-Status201204fin-Yext.png)

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Q&A
Q: Will these be shipped in JTK trays
A: I know for a fact that the base kit will come in a JTK tray (a value of $10!)

Q: Why is this more expensive than the usual JTK sets I've seen on Novelkeys?
A: These are brand new molds which made these a little bit more expensive than usual.

Q: Why are there a partial alpha set?
A: The extra partial alpha set are all keys that have new tripleshot molds. During the process of tripleshotting, doubleshot versions have to be made. This mean we had 2 options: keep them or throw them away (we chose to just keep them and add them into the base set at no additional cost).

Q: Why is Royal Alpha not all white?
A: I originally had a green mods kit but for our high MOQ (for the base kit) along with other factors made it very hard to justify having it. Now since the MOQ is very high, I have to appeal to the two largest purchasers of this set and both audiences were pretty split. TLDR, high MOQ, sacrifices had to be made.

Q: Why are you running 2 base kits?
A: New molds require a 3000 MOQ, but that can be cut practically in half if we run 2 base kits. I opted for a 2 base kit option since there are 2 previously ran sets that used the same sublegends.

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Vendors
NA: Novelkeys (https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/group-buys/products/jtk-griseann-royal-alpha)
CA: ApexKeyboards (https://www.apexkeyboards.ca/collections/all/products/jtk-tripleshot-griseann-royal-alpha)
EU: MyKeyboard (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/jtk-griseann-royal-alpha_374/)
OCE: DailyClack (https://dailyclack.com/products/gb-jtk-griseann-royal-alpha)
SEA: Monokei (https://monokei.co/products/jtk-griseann-royal-alpha)
KR: Swagkey (https://smartstore.naver.com/swagkey/products/5217454413)
Asia: zFrontier (https://www.zfrontier.com/app/mch/BwRvKMG4j0Yo)
Other: zFrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/jtk/products/jtk-gp-ra?variant=32724224442446)
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Colors
JTK will match to stock GMK colors

Griseann
Alphas: CR Base, WS1/AE Legend
Mods: CR Base, WS1/AE Legend

Royal Alpha
Alphas: WS1 Base, N7/AE Legend
Mods: AE Base, WS1 Legend

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Pricing
(https://i.imgur.com/jRBnssD.png)

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Kits
JTK Griseann Base Kit
*Barred homing keys
(https://i.imgur.com/LMZBSF8.png)

JTK Royal Alpha Base Kit
*Barred homing keys
(https://i.imgur.com/dtjCidV.png)

Green Accents
(https://i.imgur.com/6lJnRq0.png)

Black Space Bars
*1U, 1.25C, 1.75C, 2C, 2.25C, 2.75C, 6C (centered and offcentered)
(https://i.imgur.com/Kt0DMh5.png)

White Space Bars
*1U, 1.25C, 1.75C, 2C, 2.25C, 2.75C, 6C (centered and offcentered)
(https://i.imgur.com/r11rlUs.png)

Light Green Space Bars
*1U, 1.25C, 1.75C, 2C, 2.25C, 2.75C, 6C (centered and offcentered)), 6.25C, 7C
(https://i.imgur.com/ptIbJQi.png)

Green Space Bars
*1U, 1.25C, 1.75C, 2C, 2.25C, 2.75C, 6C (centered and offcentered), 6.25C, 7C
(https://i.imgur.com/DLmlEea.png)

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HBCP - JTK Griseann
(https://i.imgur.com/tErm1AU.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/9pntImp.png)

HBCP - JTK Royal Alpha
(https://i.imgur.com/ZDmhan2.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/z5FJAwm.png)

Infinitum - Family Photo
(https://i.imgur.com/HQnNpYh.png)

Infinitum - JTK Griseann
(https://i.imgur.com/Rr26iSM.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5xkLgMA.png)

Infinitum - JTK Royal Alpha
(https://i.imgur.com/lEvLIl8.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PmEL6DQ.png)

Polaris - Family Photo
(https://i.imgur.com/5EmjrJj.png)

Polaris - JTK Griseann
(https://i.imgur.com/H7KrHSf.png)

Polaris - JTK Royal Alpha
(https://i.imgur.com/UzMJICc.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 12 November 2020, 08:41:23
In for this.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: of_sam on Thu, 12 November 2020, 08:42:33
Looking good  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Thu, 12 November 2020, 08:48:17
Reserved
fix that for you
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: packman86 on Thu, 12 November 2020, 09:55:54
This is lit! Thanks for running these!
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: zekth on Thu, 12 November 2020, 11:36:54
Count me in
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: Zurg Eon on Thu, 12 November 2020, 11:57:47
I too am in.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: sirieous on Thu, 12 November 2020, 12:16:51
Keen for this   :)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 12 November 2020, 13:19:47
Likely in for Griseann
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: Sandy on Thu, 12 November 2020, 16:18:10
I've really been looking forward to a nice green set and this is definitely it! Really can't wait to see how the new JTK processes turn out too.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: resetLetki on Thu, 12 November 2020, 16:53:05
Very very likely to cop a set of Griseann
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: steezkeez on Thu, 12 November 2020, 17:14:28
mos def coppin a set
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 12 November 2020, 17:16:28
Gonna grab Griseann for sure, might get RA also if I have the extra cash. So glad to see these sets in triple shot!
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 12 November 2020, 18:07:14
Scoop homing keys?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Thu, 12 November 2020, 18:24:50
Scoop homing keys?
Barred
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 12 November 2020, 18:41:05
Scoop homing keys?
Barred
👌
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: hpkb on Thu, 12 November 2020, 23:12:38
Yessirrr
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: Sycomore on Thu, 12 November 2020, 23:31:31
Scoop homing keys?
Barred
👌

Only way to have it
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 13 November 2020, 03:01:25
Can Op make it clear which blank keys on the Space Bar kits are a convex surface?
(i.e. similar to the curved-up surface of a normal Space-bar)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: KucherenkoZZZ on Fri, 13 November 2020, 04:42:30
I don't know is it a novelkeys or what but there is no wob alphas in Griseann base kit, what happened?

http://prntscr.com/vij8ak
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: resetLetki on Fri, 13 November 2020, 05:43:44
When will the GB be available on MyKeyboard?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 13 November 2020, 06:27:49
I don't know is it a novelkeys or what but there is no wob alphas in Griseann base kit, what happened?

http://prntscr.com/vij8ak
I accidently sent an older render of the base kit to renders, they should be fixing it.

Additionally, most vendors have it live now.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 13 November 2020, 06:34:55
Can Op make it clear which blank keys on the Space Bar kits are a convex surface?
(i.e. similar to the curved-up surface of a normal Space-bar)
Yup, I can edit it to add the size of keys (and all spacebar keys are convex)
When will the GB be available on MyKeyboard?
The products are up but not grouped together, should be fixed soon!
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 13 November 2020, 07:33:06
All vendors now live.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: CaptainVinceO2 on Fri, 13 November 2020, 10:45:20
Amazing set! Happy to be proxying it  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 13 November 2020, 14:55:43
Can Op make it clear which blank keys on the Space Bar kits are a convex surface?
(i.e. similar to the curved-up surface of a normal Space-bar)
Yup, I can edit it to add the size of keys (and all spacebar keys are convex)
...

Good to know that all spacebar keys are convex, including those 1u and 1.25u etc.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 13 November 2020, 18:20:47
Can Op make it clear which blank keys on the Space Bar kits are a convex surface?
(i.e. similar to the curved-up surface of a normal Space-bar)
Yup, I can edit it to add the size of keys (and all spacebar keys are convex)
...

Good to know that all spacebar keys are convex, including those 1u and 1.25u etc.
I'm asking JTK and double checking to see if they are convex or not.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Sat, 14 November 2020, 12:21:28
Can Op make it clear which blank keys on the Space Bar kits are a convex surface?
(i.e. similar to the curved-up surface of a normal Space-bar)
Yup, I can edit it to add the size of keys (and all spacebar keys are convex)
...

Good to know that all spacebar keys are convex, including those 1u and 1.25u etc.
I'm asking JTK and double checking to see if they are convex or not.
Spoke with JTK, everything but the 1U is convex. The 6U is centered and offcentered.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (November 13 - December 4)
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 14 November 2020, 14:00:50
Spoke with JTK, everything but the 1U is convex. The 6U is centered and offcentered.
I thought I saw someone mention that the position difference between centered and off-centered was close enough that it could not be done in a single bar (for all MX keys, not specifically JTK). The other mount point would get in the way as you depress the switch.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 15 November 2020, 12:50:07
Novelkeys says these will ship October 2021? Will these actually take that long to produce and ship, or just a really safe estimate?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Sun, 15 November 2020, 16:31:31
Novelkeys says these will ship October 2021? Will these actually take that long to produce and ship, or just a really safe estimate?

It's JTK. You already know.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: KucherenkoZZZ on Sun, 15 November 2020, 18:11:22
Wanted to buy one but the shipping date threw me off  :(
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Sun, 15 November 2020, 18:13:19
Novelkeys says these will ship October 2021? Will these actually take that long to produce and ship, or just a really safe estimate?
It will probably take that long or longer.

Here is the breakdown that JTK provided us with (please note that these are brand new molds)

3-4 months for making the molds
2-3 months for production, sorting, qc
1-3 months during that time for Chinese New Year and other delays.

So yes, expect it to take a long time.

I cannot stress enough that new molds typically require a longer lead time than most other keysets.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 22 November 2020, 13:59:04
(https://i.postimg.cc/HdLBZhyd/JTKgriseann-Status201120b.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Sun, 29 November 2020, 09:57:37
No update this week since I have been at home with my family for Thanksgiving, expect a mid week update in numbers followed by the normal Saturday/Sunday update.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: Jhambone9160 on Sun, 29 November 2020, 22:17:48
Not buying another JTK set until HSA ships. That GB used new molds too...
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 30 November 2020, 06:03:47
Not buying another JTK set until HSA ships. That GB used new molds too...

To be fair, HSA required new moulds for an entirely new key profile, as well as all its legends. With this set, new some new legends are required, but it’s for an existing profile.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Mon, 30 November 2020, 08:17:55
Not buying another JTK set until HSA ships. That GB used new molds too...
Not a problem, there will be plenty of extras.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha (Live till December 4th!)
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 30 November 2020, 17:33:22
(https://i.postimg.cc/SqtyrYx3/JTKgriseann-Status201130.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 02 December 2020, 07:19:31
(https://i.imgur.com/TzJDgX7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rbnWMTH.jpg)
December 3rd, 12pm-2pm GMT
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: noorejji on Thu, 03 December 2020, 06:22:53
Why isn't this popping off more?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 03 December 2020, 06:50:49
Why isn't this popping off more?

There are a number of sets that have run in November / December with slow but still respectable sales. Not a whole lot of insane smash hits though.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 03 December 2020, 07:21:50
Why isn't this popping off more?
There's also hesitance over JTK usually. I understand why - their legends have improved but still aren't quite the same as GMK. I hope to be proven wrong soon.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Thu, 03 December 2020, 09:13:42
Why isn't this popping off more?

There are a number of sets that have run in November / December with slow but still respectable sales. Not a whole lot of insane smash hits though.

Why isn't this popping off more?
There's also hesitance over JTK usually. I understand why - their legends have improved but still aren't quite the same as GMK. I hope to be proven wrong soon.

These two are very good points but I think it's a multitude of things.

Some reasons that I can think of from:
JTK
Close to Christmas/Winter Holiday so expendable income being used of gifts
Coronavirus and it's affect on the economy
My GB posts not doing too hot on Reddit
People are closeted Hoodrow haters
Novelkeys hasn't posted once about this set on their Insta

Regardless, this set is being made.

Secret edit, I've sent over new numbers to the God of Data, dvorcol.

Sometime next week, I will send over final numbers with extras.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 03 December 2020, 11:04:41
already have one wob set so probably will not be purchasing.
but good job Mr Hoodrow and I hope the production does not take long
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: Audiobs on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:18:37
Are JTK hard plastic trays included for the base kits for sure? zF stated that they will be packed in plastic sorting trays. Similar to those in-stock JTK sets here: https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/jtk/products/in-stock-jtk-aj-doubleshot?variant=32761503973454
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 03 December 2020, 16:21:37
(https://i.postimg.cc/FN3T6ZFF/JTKgriseann-Status201203.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Thu, 03 December 2020, 20:51:48
Are JTK hard plastic trays included for the base kits for sure? zF stated that they will be packed in plastic sorting trays. Similar to those in-stock JTK sets here: https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/jtk/products/in-stock-jtk-aj-doubleshot?variant=32761503973454
JTK told me base kits will ship in JTK trays.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: PotatoTM on Thu, 03 December 2020, 23:57:02
Just joined in for the royal alpha base and green accents, GLWGB!
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 04 December 2020, 08:58:04
Today is the last day to order.

All kits will be made.

Reminder that you shouldn't stretch yourself thin, especially with the COVID and it being the holiday season. If you have to pass on this because you don't have the capital to do so, it'll be okay. There will be plenty of extras.

Thanks to everyone that has joined so far, it means a lot to me.

Next update will come from dvorcol with the final numbers.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: hotnoodle666 on Fri, 04 December 2020, 10:29:24
Today is the last day to order.

All kits will be made.

Reminder that you shouldn't stretch yourself thin, especially with the COVID and it being the holiday season. If you have to pass on this because you don't have the capital to do so, it'll be okay. There will be plenty of extras.

Thanks to everyone that has joined so far, it means a lot to me.

Next update will come from dvorcol with the final numbers.

Hey, any idea on the pricing of the extras?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 04 December 2020, 18:31:38
Today is the last day to order.

All kits will be made.

Reminder that you shouldn't stretch yourself thin, especially with the COVID and it being the holiday season. If you have to pass on this because you don't have the capital to do so, it'll be okay. There will be plenty of extras.

Thanks to everyone that has joined so far, it means a lot to me.

Next update will come from dvorcol with the final numbers.

Hey, any idea on the pricing of the extras?
Nope not yet, we'll probably know closer to when they'll ship.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 17 December 2020, 23:47:55
(https://i.postimg.cc/RSxzgBbH/JTKgriseann-Status201204fin-Yext.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 18 December 2020, 01:03:38
No kidding about the plentiful extras. I guess it all works out for Hoody T.

Am looking forward to that Griseann, and also took the opportunity to get some black minibars - should work well with just about any old WoB set.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: samba on Fri, 18 December 2020, 03:06:29
keen for this :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Last Week - Ends Dec 4th!
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Sat, 19 December 2020, 12:17:15
No kidding about the plentiful extras. I guess it all works out for Hoody T.

Am looking forward to that Griseann, and also took the opportunity to get some black minibars - should work well with just about any old WoB set.
:D

I will say, for GMK WOB, Hiney does rerun spacebars atleast once a year so I would get those.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Tue, 22 December 2020, 10:22:38
Wow.... a lot of extras were bought hahahahahhaha :) :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: Leon_TheKing on Sun, 04 April 2021, 13:09:37
Has production started for this set? JTK seems to have issue fulfilling GB as early as early 2020. Any insight would be helpful.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Tue, 06 April 2021, 08:19:21
Has production started for this set? JTK seems to have issue fulfilling GB as early as early 2020. Any insight would be helpful.

Novelkeys and I both have had trouble recently getting in touch with zF (the main point of contact for JTK). Once I get more info I can relay it back.

For our timeline, this set will not go into production till much much later because the molds need to be created.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 17 April 2021, 08:12:22
Has production started for this set? JTK seems to have issue fulfilling GB as early as early 2020. Any insight would be helpful.

Novelkeys and I both have had trouble recently getting in touch with zF (the main point of contact for JTK). Once I get more info I can relay it back.

For our timeline, this set will not go into production till much much later because the molds need to be created.

Like the end of 2021 or some time in 2022 or almost 2023...???
Heard that they already have their mold - but hope they at least take their time to make everything right.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 17 April 2021, 08:27:28
I still have hopes that JTK can produce up to par (GMK / perfect alignment and no weird font oddities) keycaps so I'd be ok waiting long if that could come true
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 23 April 2021, 16:24:40
Has production started for this set? JTK seems to have issue fulfilling GB as early as early 2020. Any insight would be helpful.

Novelkeys and I both have had trouble recently getting in touch with zF (the main point of contact for JTK). Once I get more info I can relay it back.

For our timeline, this set will not go into production till much much later because the molds need to be created.

Like the end of 2021 or some time in 2022 or almost 2023...???
Heard that they already have their mold - but hope they at least take their time to make everything right.
These are brand new molds (since different legends), so it'll take some time.
I still have hopes that JTK can produce up to par (GMK / perfect alignment and no weird font oddities) keycaps so I'd be ok waiting long if that could come true
I am hoping for this as well.

Mike and I are trying to resolve this quickly and seamlessly.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: Sandy on Thu, 22 July 2021, 20:54:55
Hi,

Feel free to say "no update". I was just curious about production not wholly because I'm impatient but in part because I enjoy hearing how things are going and all the neat nuances of production.

Cheers!
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: zekth on Tue, 14 September 2021, 04:40:59
Any update on ETA?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 14 September 2021, 15:35:01
Any update on ETA?

https://tenor.com/view/in-theyear2000-sing-singer-conan-gif-4703564
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Tue, 21 September 2021, 08:39:42
Looks like I missed these posts.

Haven't heard from zF/JTK in a bit, will post here if I get any useful information.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: PigeonsLikeBread on Mon, 08 November 2021, 10:52:09
Now that we are coming up on a year since the GB started, are there any updates on this? NK still has the ETA as Q4 2021, I'm assuming that is not accurate?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 01 December 2021, 06:37:30
It's been a while, but will we be prodding on JTK / ZF for any updates?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 01 December 2021, 10:42:05
it's been difficult to communicate with JTK as of late, but if y'all get really desperate i can always try

but i haven't heard anything from them about my projects (i.e. not this GB) for a while now. not in like a concerning way, just in like a "oh you guys are clearly really busy" way.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 06 January 2022, 14:07:19
Hate to be that guy, but is JTK radio silent about this?

Just curious. The last "real" update was Hoodrow's post in April 2021.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Fri, 07 January 2022, 09:28:18
Hate to be that guy, but is JTK radio silent about this?

Just curious. The last "real" update was Hoodrow's post in April 2021.

Calling it now, next update from JTK will be "Still working on the molds".
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 07 January 2022, 09:43:18
The triple-shot manufacturer of 2022 - Domikey has at least 4 different triple-shot ABS designs available for in-stock purchase at various vendors...
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: Ensaum on Fri, 07 January 2022, 10:49:53
According to Hoodrows discord, Novelkeys Q1 2022 estimate is "accurate currently." Though tbh, if it doesn't deliver by Q1, I think I'll probably try to cancel my order and find a set from the GMK run.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 07 January 2022, 13:35:21
Good luck with that, my friend
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: Ensaum on Fri, 07 January 2022, 14:55:33
Thanks? Lol..
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 09 January 2022, 11:14:04
Pessimism about the set delivery is probably unwarranted at this time.

Some vendors are opening up pre-orders for JTK G / Royal Alpha at this time, with expected production of the set this quarter.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: Sandy on Sat, 05 February 2022, 17:09:11
I know this is super late in the game... but is there any chance of shipping these in the toxic green color jtk trays that are in gb now? I feel like it would combo great.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: azzipa on Sun, 06 February 2022, 09:35:10
in. finally. via apex, didn’t want to wait for novelkeys and possibly miss.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: yhs on Mon, 07 February 2022, 09:16:47
I know this is super late in the game... but is there any chance of shipping these in the toxic green color jtk trays that are in gb now? I feel like it would combo great.

GB? Spoonfeed pls
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Mon, 14 March 2022, 07:56:13
Would love to hear an update on production. Thx.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 14 March 2022, 20:59:26
Q1 is almost over

Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: Cerasis on Wed, 16 March 2022, 03:24:43
October 2021 shipping date starting to smell like October 2022 to me now
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 16 March 2022, 14:08:53
In his Discord, he posted an update from JTK in early February.  Assuming I've interpreted the note correctly, the sets have already started production, and all of the non-tripleshot keys are complete.

There hasn't been an official update since then, but it is good to know that there is real progress in flight, with lots of actual keycaps for the two sets already made.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: Keyboard Lab on Thu, 17 March 2022, 01:43:36
nice color combo
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Thu, 24 March 2022, 08:21:15
zF sent me an email this morning. Tripleshot molds are done, production is starting. Will finish production sometime between end of month to sometime in April.

(https://i.imgur.com/P9JpIJL.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 24 March 2022, 09:33:55
zF sent me an email this morning. Tripleshot molds are done, production is starting. Will finish production sometime between end of month to sometime in April.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/P9JpIJL.jpg)


Sometimes GBs are tests of not only our patience but also our memory...
But finally in production!

Do they plan to ship in these boxes?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - In Production - 3700+ base kits
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 24 March 2022, 09:55:57
This is going to look fantastic on so many boards.  Glad to see it exist in the world finally  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 24 March 2022, 09:57:39
zF sent me an email this morning. Tripleshot molds are done, production is starting. Will finish production sometime between end of month to sometime in April.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/P9JpIJL.jpg)


Sometimes GBs are tests of not only our patience but also our memory...
But finally in production!

Do they plan to ship in these boxes?

JTK tends to ship caps in JTK cases, so I would think so.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Finished - 3700+ base kits
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 24 March 2022, 11:12:16
zF sent me an email this morning. Tripleshot molds are done, production is starting. Will finish production sometime between end of month to sometime in April.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/P9JpIJL.jpg)


HYYYYPE.

Can't wait for my set to come in. Perhaps someone more sensitive than me can comment, but legend consistency, placement, and kerning looks fantastic from this picture. Really looking forward to this set :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - In Production - 3700+ base kits
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 24 March 2022, 16:35:30
Keep posting pics!
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - In Production - 3700+ base kits
Post by: wencan008 on Thu, 24 March 2022, 19:24:09
Very excited for this set, might need to pick up some extras too
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - In Production - 3700+ base kits
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 11 April 2022, 14:44:02
good stuff from jtk discord

(https://i.imgur.com/on4eSiK.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/o64z9s6.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - In Production - 3700+ base kits
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 13 April 2022, 07:59:36
Here is another long awaited update (mostly because I got an email 5 hours ago from zF)

Good news and neutral news.

Good news first, sets are being sorted and prepped for international shipment.

Neutral news, JTK made some layout changes without notifying anyone. I will say, these are all changes that don't negatively affect anyone unless you really liked the ⌫ backspace.

Here is the list of changes:

Added:
R1:1u JTK logo, ←
R4:1u Pgup, 1u Shift, 1u Ctrl (extra), 1u AIt (extra)
Changed:
R2 1.5u  ⌫ to Backspace
R3 1u 5 homing bar to nipple
R4 1u 0 doubleshot to 0 with Ins tripleshot
Removed:
R3 1u scooped 5

Here is a side by side comparison

JTK Griseann
(https://i.imgur.com/LMZBSF8.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MFINcGH.png)

JTK Royal Alpha
(https://i.imgur.com/dtjCidV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/aBMjHVm.png)

Also to answer the question of if they ship in JTK trays, I know that the base kits will ship in trays. I am unsure about any of the add on kits (accents + spacebars)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Sorting and Shipping to Vendors
Post by: blur410 on Thu, 14 April 2022, 11:00:34
Was wondering if there was still a way to preorder on novelkeys site. All I see is in shipment, will they be posting extras as soon as they arrive?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Sorting and Shipping to Vendors
Post by: Fraaaan on Thu, 14 April 2022, 11:07:01
Was wondering if there was still a way to preorder on novelkeys site. All I see is in shipment, will they be posting extras as soon as they arrive?

Get in contact with Novelkeys. The designer has no input on when and how vendors sell extras.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Sorting and Shipping to Vendors
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 14 April 2022, 11:59:42
Was wondering if there was still a way to preorder on novelkeys site. All I see is in shipment, will they be posting extras as soon as they arrive?

Extras normally happen after the GB orders have all been fulfilled.

So you'll see people post pics and such for a bit and then Novelkeys should be sending out emails / posting on their social media about extras.

Make sure to sign up to their mailing list.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Sorting and Shipping to Vendors
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Thu, 14 April 2022, 12:29:41
As others have pointed out, some vendors put up a preorder for extras while others release them all at one time.

Novelkeys posts up their extras all at one time. Signing up for their newsletter is the easiest way to stay in the loop about when extras go live.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Sorting and Shipping to Vendors
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 14 April 2022, 13:07:43
Was wondering if there was still a way to preorder on novelkeys site. All I see is in shipment, will they be posting extras as soon as they arrive?

I don't know about Novelkeys, but it's available for pre-order on Apex Keyboards:

https://www.apexkeyboards.ca/products/jtk-tripleshot-griseann-royal-alpha
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Sorting and Shipping to Vendors
Post by: blur410 on Sat, 16 April 2022, 10:37:06
Was wondering if there was still a way to preorder on novelkeys site. All I see is in shipment, will they be posting extras as soon as they arrive?

I don't know about Novelkeys, but it's available for pre-order on Apex Keyboards:

https://www.apexkeyboards.ca/products/jtk-tripleshot-griseann-royal-alpha

Yeah I saw that, but I figured I might be able to get it cheaper from Novelkeys. How much does NK mark up their extras?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Sorting and Shipping to Vendors
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 22 July 2022, 14:10:39
So it looks as if we are stuck in the "waiting for zFrontier to deliver to vendors" stage:

(https://i.imgur.com/kc2nDeL.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Sorting and Shipping to Vendors
Post by: Cerasis on Fri, 22 July 2022, 22:27:10
I wonder how many more weeks it'll take for them to ship and how long shipping to vendors will take  :))
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 04 August 2022, 15:19:54
1 vendor has received JTK Royal Alpha [mykeyboard.eu]:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712936541361799221/1002556032771432498/unknown.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: superdoedoe on Fri, 05 August 2022, 01:29:49
Hoodrow posted a pic of his.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312287977151660042/1004803541635965028/unknown.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: mgsickler on Fri, 05 August 2022, 07:45:14
Sets received! We are starting to ship them out.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 05 August 2022, 12:28:24
lfg
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: blur410 on Sun, 07 August 2022, 11:37:15
Any date for the drop of extras?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 07 August 2022, 14:40:10
Any date for the drop of extras?

I think it's still available for pre-order at Apex Keyboards in Canada:


https://www.apexkeyboards.ca/products/jtk-tripleshot-griseann-royal-alpha


So you don't have to wait for extras, you can pre-order and have it delivered to you upon arrival. Of course, customs charges may apply if you are living in the US/outside Canada.

As far as extras go, extras pricing on JTK sets has not been much higher than pre-order pricing recently, but has been noticeably higher than GB pricing. Like $15 CAD higher than pre-order, but $30 CAD higher or more compared with GB prices, for base kits.

I think initial availability for extras will be good, as perhaps at least 3000 sets were produced for this run. So it should be okay to buy from vendors. However, buying it aftermarket would be bad - you're probably looking at $200 CAD or more for a base kit there.

If in the US, best to wait for extras from NK and the like, I guess. But Canadian pre-order is also an option.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: WXYaa on Wed, 10 August 2022, 14:36:32
Both my Griseann and Royal Alpha are missing the 1.25u Fn key. Anyone else?

I am freaking blind, apparently!

BTW, Extras are up on Novelkeys.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 10 August 2022, 17:23:21
Both my Griseann and Royal Alpha are missing the 1.25u Fn key. Anyone else?

BTW, Extras are up on Novelkeys.

I haven’t gotten mine yet, but several of the production photos earlier in this thread seem to indicate the same problem.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: GMK83 on Wed, 10 August 2022, 18:29:00
Apex still has no info on when there shipment will arrive?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 10 August 2022, 18:35:42
Both my Griseann and Royal Alpha are missing the 1.25u Fn key. Anyone else?

BTW, Extras are up on Novelkeys.

I haven’t gotten mine yet, but several of the production photos earlier in this thread seem to indicate the same problem.

Oh, rip. That's really bad if true. I mean, I guess you could use iso shift worst case, but oof. Hopefully they can be replaced for everyone.

Edit: It's there. Pointed out on discord. Probably just overlooked it.
[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: fireworm on Wed, 10 August 2022, 22:49:30
Same as above, I have 1x 1.25u Fn key in the second tray, next to the arrow keys on both Griseann and Royal Alpha.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 11 August 2022, 20:56:39
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: WXYaa on Fri, 12 August 2022, 23:35:57
Both my Griseann and Royal Alpha are missing the 1.25u Fn key. Anyone else?

BTW, Extras are up on Novelkeys.

I haven’t gotten mine yet, but several of the production photos earlier in this thread seem to indicate the same problem.

Oh, rip. That's really bad if true. I mean, I guess you could use iso shift worst case, but oof. Hopefully they can be replaced for everyone.

Edit: It's there. Pointed out on discord. Probably just overlooked it.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks for pointing it out. I feel so much better!!
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 13 August 2022, 17:05:32
sets look very nice  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: toniwonkanobi on Sun, 14 August 2022, 11:36:48
(Attachment Link)

How do the legends compare to GMK legends? (Assuming no alignment issues of the past?)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: Ensaum on Sun, 14 August 2022, 14:53:25
(Attachment Link)

How do the legends compare to GMK legends? (Assuming no alignment issues of the past?)

They're fine. GMK is a little more consistent. This set has some line weight and legend size variance, but its very slight and not that distracting imo.

The main difference I've noticed is the texture. JTK is a lot rougher. It almost feels like the texture on my viper mini whereas GMK is more smooth in comparison.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: toniwonkanobi on Sun, 14 August 2022, 16:23:39
(Attachment Link)

How do the legends compare to GMK legends? (Assuming no alignment issues of the past?)

They're fine. GMK is a little more consistent. This set has some line weight and legend size variance, but its very slight and not that distracting imo.

The main difference I've noticed is the texture. JTK is a lot rougher. It almost feels like the texture on my viper mini whereas GMK is more smooth in comparison.

Interesting!
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: steezkeez on Wed, 17 August 2022, 17:25:27
legends are kinda **** if im being honest

same letters on different keys can be thin af or thick af

super inconsistent

personally i dont really care but others might
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 17 August 2022, 17:40:17
legends are kinda **** if im being honest

same letters on different keys can be thin af or thick af

super inconsistent

personally i dont really care but others might

my set looks OK

can you post pics of your set?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: steezkeez on Wed, 17 August 2022, 18:03:58
legends are kinda **** if im being honest

same letters on different keys can be thin af or thick af

super inconsistent

personally i dont really care but others might

my set looks OK

can you post pics of your set?

the inconsistencies aren't really noticeable in the pics i took with my iphone which i guess might indicate my original statement might have been overblown

although what i can say is in person:

but yeah i guess i was a bit harsh with my earlier statements, so apologies

it's not too bad
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: GMK83 on Wed, 17 August 2022, 18:29:33
They should put tape on the case latches after packing.  I’ve seen many that have come open in transit and now keycaps are scratched up.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Tue, 23 August 2022, 13:32:09
I just got my Griseann set, and two of the shift keys (2.75 and the second 2.25) came in gray instead of black. I don't know if I was unlucky or more people are affected.

EDIT: Actually, half of the keys are a different color, but it's not as noticeable as those two.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: PancakeGoon on Thu, 25 August 2022, 07:28:39
I just got my Griseann set, and two of the shift keys (2.75 and the second 2.25) came in gray instead of black. I don't know if I was unlucky or more people are affected.

EDIT: Actually, half of the keys are a different color, but it's not as noticeable as those two.
Yeah, reporting mine also came with a gray AND scratched Shift...

As well as the rest of the set being downright heinous in-general with regards to manufacturing defects: Stepped Caps with the sublegend-Green flash string across the face, swirl marks galore, texture flat-spots & shine spots in the middle/sides of probably half my caps, and the spacebars literally looking heavily used & pre-shined - with some nice fingerprints molded into the plastic itself...
[attachimg=1]
[attachimg=4]
[attachimg=3]
[attachimg=6]
    This for $165 with a small Accent kit. It's borderline offensive that this passed QC, and I've seen some others' build pics with similar plastic swirling & heat-shine.

EDIT: Oh, and I obviously contacted NK immediately about this, my two options being; they send a replacement set with a return label for my current ones, or just the return label followed by a refund when they get it back. And I went with the replacement set as I've wanted Griseann since the beginning, but we'll see how the 2nd kit looks...
Still, not fond of the taste this has left. :-X
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 26 August 2022, 11:00:27
poor PancakeGoon...
his post immediately prompted me to check out one more time my JTK Griseann set that I put away after my first on arrival examination.
And I also took out a GMK WoB set (Katakana WoB) for comparison.

Luckily the surface texture my of JTK Griseann kits look fine:
(https://i.imgur.com/W8Ini2M.jpg)

And I am also fine with the legends.
(https://i.imgur.com/9i7HIh9.jpg)

It's a customized key cap set after all, and no matter its price is higher or lower than the average, in my opinion, errors on legends or color should warrant a replacement.

But do my JTK Griseann kits also have some of these defects (or should I say "defects"?) similar to what PancakeGoon has shown? And how does a GMK set look if I also dig deeper like so?
Here's the answer:
At some angles there are very light "smudges" on the GMK caps, those cannot be simply wiped away:
(https://i.imgur.com/h0coKvc.jpg)

At some other angles, there seems to be a very light "scratch mark" on a shift key of the JTK set, but only at that angle and one cannot feel it by touch:
(https://i.imgur.com/F3oxShy.jpg)

At a closer look on the 4 sides of key caps in the GMK set, something like below is quite often; and for this GMK Backspace cap, these "smudges" are on 3 sides of it:
(https://i.imgur.com/mpCVNH5.jpg)

I wonder how perfect we want or expect our customized key cap set to be, similar to how we scrutinize the finish of anodizing, PVD, and e-coloring...
Of course, I also want them done perfectly in the manufacturing process, after all this kit can already be almost a week worth of income for some people in China
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: noorejji on Sat, 27 August 2022, 08:36:12
Whatever we should collectively set our expectations to be - near GMK prices and wait times for nowhere near GMK quality is not a precedent I wish to set. Of course I hope most sets turn out great, but since I had the option I cancelled my order over these reports. Best of luck to everyone.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: Rafa_n on Sat, 27 August 2022, 10:25:51
legend quality, especially on the mods, is still almost as bad as it was when they started, which is a bit disappointing

(https://i.imgur.com/r7PyCoF.png)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Sun, 28 August 2022, 07:31:14
I also have quite a few inconsistencies in the thickness or thinning of legends on mods. I was under the assumption that the GB took so long because they were redoing molds? Could of sworn I heard this somewhere.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 28 August 2022, 12:16:29
It's my understanding that they had to develop a number of the molds from scratch, after GB funding, for the explicit purpose of completing this [and future] tripleshot GBs.

Essentially, this is an early tripleshot GB from JTK that required crowdfunding to create triple-shot processes.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: superdoedoe on Thu, 01 September 2022, 08:09:14
Whatever we should collectively set our expectations to be - near GMK prices and wait times for nowhere near GMK quality is not a precedent I wish to set. Of course I hope most sets turn out great, but since I had the option I cancelled my order over these reports. Best of luck to everyone.

JTK has never been near GMK in terms of quality.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: PancakeGoon on Sun, 04 September 2022, 14:56:17
poor PancakeGoon...
his post immediately prompted me to check out one more time my JTK Griseann set that I put away after my first on arrival examination.
And I also took out a GMK WoB set (Katakana WoB) for comparison.

Thanks bud...  Yep. It's rough, it was avoidable, and in some cases drastic-enough that I don't believe it was just missed entirely by QC.

And mostly I'm left pretty damn frustrated for myself, but straight up heavy-hearted for those of you who waited from GroupBuy-to-Fulfillment just to end up with any of these scuffed kits. :'(


BUT, I specifically came here to let ya'll know about a curious development I noticed once I had 2 sets on-hand, and to give an update on my NovelKeys support situation:

I finally got my replacement set, but it unfortunately STILL has many noticeable defects, and the same evidence of poor Quality Control with the new molds/tooling (some of the same defects, and one or two NEW ones - including a missing cap or two in the 2nd set!)... It "luckily" isn't quite as bad as the first, but once I laid out both sets next to each-other on my desk, I noticed some striking similarities between the two:
So it looks pretty clear to me now that these "Manufacturer Defects" that made it through QC were actually BUILT-IN to these new molds.

    Either way, this is problematic (for a few reasons): As I said, this appears as though everything in this whole run must be affected at some level. I doubt it's part of the Masters, but it's clearly baked into something... It might not even be something that was supposed to be visible - having some experience working with both pellet Injection Mold & rubber Press-Mold machinery in past employments, I'm thinking the wild variances in set-quality could be due to a number of things things like; the kits being made in different atmospheric temperatures & humidity-levels, calibrating or "seasoning" of this new tooling/molds or maybe trying to dial-in settings Live as production is underway, and even down to the Operators themselves if they don't utilize fully-automated Mold feeding system...

And then there's the questions like whether or not this was apparent during the proto/sampling stage with the tooling-adjustments Hoodrow had to do. (I'm also NOT blaming Thrilly here, btw... I dunno WHO to blame, and I'll let the leaders speak for themselves) But with brand new molds made from new Masters, there can be a range of initial output-quality.
And with the changes, legend/tooling-adjustments and pricing considerations, we don't know if the factory sent Hoodrow "the best of the bunch" on-purpose, or Hoodrow had to let the QC/production quality slide in order to keep his price window & hoped we didn't notice. It's possible he didn't find out until delivery too. But this was known at some point, somewhere along the chain, with no mention. And I noticed mine as SOON as I popped the JTK tray...)


Anyway... as for NovelKeys:

After relaying to my NK rep that the replacements were an improvement from the first, but still looking looked pretty booty (as well as my notes on defect cross-contamination),
I received a response denying my request of even a partial-refund for my B-Stock set, on the grounds that "Support hasn't received enough direct complaints to believe it's a wide issue, or enough to justify a discount"-alone... :-X Which is both disheartening & besides the point for MULTIPLE reasons.

Sooo, I still feel like they refuse to believe or admit that any of this is actually the case, and left only able to accept something that I KNOW is not up-to-standard because it's Exclusive™ & I love the the actual set too much. So, I'm back to either nothing & a refund, or accepting this sub-par Dream Set for Extras-price.*and maybe just not using it with glasses on...?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: Makish on Sun, 04 September 2022, 19:45:42
JTK quality has always been called into question, but their price tags usually have been lower to compensate.

It is very unfortunate that even with a raised price, nothing appears to have changed.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 05 September 2022, 08:30:10
poor PancakeGoon...
his post immediately prompted me to check out one more time my JTK Griseann set that I put away after my first on arrival examination.
And I also took out a GMK WoB set (Katakana WoB) for comparison.

Thanks bud...  Yep. It's rough, it was avoidable, and in some cases drastic-enough that I don't believe it was just missed entirely by QC.



Do you know if these colour issues [i.e. gray key instead of black] are extant mainly in the Griseann set, or also apply to Royal Alpha?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: zekth on Mon, 05 September 2022, 14:09:07
I had the grey shifts on my JTK Griseann and MyKeyboard replaced the key directly :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: frostfiree on Fri, 09 September 2022, 00:19:54
In addition to the the left shift being gray, my enter key also sounds like it is contacting my switch/stab somewhere. Using a GMK or CRP enter in the same location does not make the same noise, ruling out the board being the issue.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 09 September 2022, 10:34:26
Hmmmm. Wonder if I should cancel my pre-order.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: PancakeGoon on Sat, 10 September 2022, 23:12:24
poor PancakeGoon...
his post immediately prompted me to check out one more time my JTK Griseann set that I put away after my first on arrival examination.
And I also took out a GMK WoB set (Katakana WoB) for comparison.

Do you know if these colour issues [i.e. gray key instead of black] are extant mainly in the Griseann set, or also apply to Royal Alpha?
Hey, just seeing this now, so apologies if you've been waiting on me!
But I really have no idea about the quality or consistency with the RA manufacturing. The very few examples I've seen posted (like... literally one or two) around Discord & Reddit looked fine to me, but it's a really light set so you'll have to find someone who owns it rather than rely on cherry-picked, honeymoon build-pics, imo. A lot of the defects with Griseann is so noticeable—and exaggerated—specifically because it's on Black ABS, and I don't imagine anything but legend ****ery, exceptionally-bad key shaping or injection misfires standing out upon casual examination alone...

In other news, I've sent back the original, I'm still begrudgingly keeping my replacements as I just wanted the set too much, and my NK rep 'Derek' stood his ground in minimizing the existence of JTK's clear choice to send out obviously-inferior sets, and have stopped responding to my requests for a discount voucher for my next purchase.  :))
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 10 September 2022, 23:30:42

In other news, I've sent back the original, I'm still begrudgingly keeping my replacements as I just wanted the set too much, and my NK rep 'Derek' stood his ground in minimizing the existence of JTK's clear choice to send out obviously-inferior sets, and have stopped responding to my requests for a discount voucher for my next purchase.  :))

Thanks. Sorry to hear about the problems with your set. I really like the colours of the lighter set, Royal Alpha, and hope that it doesn't suffer the exaggerated problems seen in Griseann. Royal Alpha, AFAIK, is still the best available rendition of that classic set that is currently purchasable.

[Thought about switching my order to ePBT Soju, but it's just not the same...]
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 29 September 2022, 15:08:19
It's real!

(https://i.imgur.com/a9ja7l2.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 29 September 2022, 16:20:28
Here's a couple of slightly-better photos:



(https://i.imgur.com/HbAadix.jpg)





(https://i.imgur.com/EmKXcmv.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: Radon86 on Fri, 30 September 2022, 20:50:02
Hi, just received JTK Royal Alpha today. I was checking the set and noticed that I was missing the green ¬` keycap that was shown in the updated renders. Is anyone's JTK Royal Alpha missing this key too?
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 04 October 2022, 10:01:43
Hi, just received JTK Royal Alpha today. I was checking the set and noticed that I was missing the green ¬` keycap that was shown in the updated renders. Is anyone's JTK Royal Alpha missing this key too?

That got addressed on the Discord but may not have gotten echoed here.  JTK decided making a second UK backtick keycap per set was going to be too cost-prohibitive, and that was apparently something not noticed during the quote process.
Title: Re: [GB] JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha - Shipping to vendors/customers
Post by: Radon86 on Fri, 07 October 2022, 22:02:11
Hi, just received JTK Royal Alpha today. I was checking the set and noticed that I was missing the green ¬` keycap that was shown in the updated renders. Is anyone's JTK Royal Alpha missing this key too?

That got addressed on the Discord but may not have gotten echoed here.  JTK decided making a second UK backtick keycap per set was going to be too cost-prohibitive, and that was apparently something not noticed during the quote process.

I see... Thanks for the update!