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Why not use sunken rivets so its flush with the board? Nice idea but the rivets is throwing me off....they're too prominent imo.
I like it, perhaps not on white but maybe a dark grey or dark blue.
Can you show us a view of the mounting system ?
What are the rear feet made of ?
Will the plates support iso, loving the case design!
That sounds awesome, looking forward to this!Will the plates support iso, loving the case design!
of course. how many different layouts will be decided based on interest. for SKB1 there were quite a few different plates available, all were ANSI/ISO unified (except the orthos of course ;D) hope it won't be much different this time. though having ANSI and ISO not unified but be able to offer seperate plates would be awesome - but for that to happen, the interest would have to be quite high.
Why not use sunken rivets so its flush with the board? Nice idea but the rivets is throwing me off....they're too prominent imo.
yes, I'm celebrating the screws instead of trying to hide them.
"sunken rivets so its flush"
do you mean countersunk screwheads by that? countersunk actually looks bigger although they are flush and since the color is what makes the contrast and them stick out visually, it wouldn't make a difference. my very first SKB1 prototype had countersunk screws, after that I tried those you see here and I never wanted to go back. if you want it you just have to accept the screws as important part of the design.
Can you show us a view of the mounting system ?
Maybe some more info on how the plate mounting actually works now? :)
looking very nice! Any pics of bottom of the case?
From your previous posts it sounded like you won't do another run on the SKB series
The Key Learning
Any probability of a tkl case wk/wkl compatible with h87a/leeku styles pcbs?
Any probability of a tkl case wk/wkl compatible with h87a/leeku styles pcbs?
that is totally possible. I'm surprised how much want tkl according to the ic form answers. if tkl then it is also not a big deal to offer wk&wkl, just like I offered wk&wkl&hhkb for 60% back in the SKB1-GB.
oh and regarding PCBs , SKB can take almost any pcb you throw at it, just the usb cutout has to be at the right position and the plate should support your desired layout of course. but it is too early to talk about specific plate layouts right now.
afaik all tkl pcbs have the usb at the same position, between alpha and nav block.
I'll make some pics of tkl...
Is the bottom case also powder coated?
these three parts are all made of steel and are all powder coated.
these three parts are all made of steel and are all powder coated.
Speaking of the material of the parts, I assume you are dead set on the plate also being steel? Or would you be open to offering a couple alternate materials without much trouble, eg. CF or POM etc.
depending on the interest I could maybe consider some other metal like brass - but absolutely no promise here.
CF or POM are materials I have no experience of. this will not happen. but this doesn't rule out a CF or POM or any other material plate because like with SKB1, I'll help everyone who wants his/her custom plate made. I made a lot of custom plate DXF plate files for skb1. I know one has made a CF plate. so although I'll probably not offer it directly, I'll try my best to help anyone realizing a custom plate by providing a DXF file and advice.
do you make them in 40?
Can you show us a view of the mounting system ?Maybe some more info on how the plate mounting actually works now? :)
I made two animated gifs, hope they help:
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the parts that work as dampeners/decouplers here are actually "Durchgangstüllen":
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my concerns :
- rear feet seem a bit aggressive for desktop surface
- how powder coating resists through time ?
- I would like screws same color as top (or approaching)
my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ? :D
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/
you often have that feeling because it's like that for most things you buy
Imagine having your first child with your wife, and then your second child likes rubber domes
Wow nice, really interested
- the stand offs should really get a safety mod ;)
- you should allow multi vote on format factor in the sheet
looking very nice! Any pics of bottom of the case?
made an explosion illustration, this shows the bottom part as well:
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my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ? :D
…my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ? :DThis could actually be pretty useful for work.
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout... ;D
A few questions:
- is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
- is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
- is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?
Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.
A few questions:
- is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
- is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
- is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?
Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.
Was mentioned somewhere a few posts back that it is not possible to powder coat screws as it obviously messes with the texture and measurements etc. They can be anodised but not sure if there's a plan for that.
I personally like the look of the screws as is, it's a pretty distinctive signature look to the board but looking into counter-sinking them isn't a bad idea - if nothing else, it'd be interesting to see how it changes the look.
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:
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with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:
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with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
here the angle is set to 10 degree.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:100% getting a TKL, looks so good. Interested in what colors you decide to offer.
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with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
here the angle is set to 10 degree.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).
- you should allow multi vote on format factor in the sheet
Will you offer different sizes standoffs like with the original SKB? I really like the larger size standoffs because you can sink the caps deeper in the keyboard body
Will there be an Alps plate?
A few questions:
- is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
- is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
- is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?
- Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.
…my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ? :DThis could actually be pretty useful for work.
I can not help but to concur with this opinion. That said, it would definitely look odd. :-D
(I'd want to suggest putting a hole on both sides of the top case, but I get the feeling that it wouldn't be for the best - let's all agree to give PlastikSchnittstelle the final say in the matter :D )
Interested, looks great. 0 degree angle is something you're not interested in making?
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout... ;D
Where can I find said PCB??
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.
Agreed, lemme see black with Dolch. mmm hmm.
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout... ;D
Where can I find said PCB??
yes, where please?!
but also yes, I do prefer such a layout over the KBDfans 75% layout. I'll do renderings and look out for colaboration regarding PCBs.
In the past I've owned the very nice apple a1243 keyboard.
It would be nice to replicate that look, not necessarily through anodization, but simply with a transparent and protective layer which prevents the oxydation of the aluminium.
Painting aluminium is very complicated and it often ends up with a fragile finish. I wonder how the first released skb cases are doing...
Just to give an example, the first mountain bike frames had fragile coatings, while now the industry has gotten really better, I don't know if the use some primers or if they make a temperature controlled treatmen by heating the frame.
Anyway I've a very big fan of your project, I'm looking for a tkl is keyboard (not decided yet on the wkl or standard bottom row). Anyway, if you could include a pcb along with the case, that would be a nice effort.
Another question, how big is the bezel on the bottom and left side, measured from the keys?
thanks
Very interested after seeing how great round 1 turned out. I agree with you completely on 60% being the best looking size. Is there a reason you removed the 2 screws on the side of the board from round 1? Aesthetically I feel like the 2 screws really hammered home the industrial look of the board. Also if you were to do an alice variant, would you be able to bend the steel to fit the curves of the alice or would it just be rectangular with alice layout?
Count me in for one, great job!
First bent steel case that I like the look of. Not sure how well it would work for keyboards but since it's sheet steel have you looked at blackened hot (or cold) rolled steel as a finish? It's often used for architectural furniture like reception desks and for a while I've kinda wanted to see someone try it out for a keyboard. Obviously as it's a live finish so every keyboard would be unique and maybe some people wouldn't like it?
Some images of architectural work:
First bent steel case that I like the look of. Not sure how well it would work for keyboards but since it's sheet steel have you looked at blackened hot (or cold) rolled steel as a finish? It's often used for architectural furniture like reception desks and for a while I've kinda wanted to see someone try it out for a keyboard. Obviously as it's a live finish so every keyboard would be unique and maybe some people wouldn't like it?
Some images of architectural work:
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the company that does the surface treatement of the plate will know more about this. I had something else besides powder coating in mind but not that. not sure if I'd still like it in the context of a keyboard, but I'll talk about it with the surface treatement guys next time.
wait, if "blackened" means "brüniert" auf deutsch then this is the surface treatement that the steel plates from the SKB1 GB got. I know that. this time the steel plates will get a similar looking but more resistent finish with deeper black.
Ah, may very well be. Apologies, looking at the photos I made the assumption that they were powder-coated black as well. Didn't read carefully enough! Was it just the plate that got this on SKB1? Or was there a case like this as well?
I'm sorry that you had so many troubles in making an alu case, I just wonder what process are other people using since it is used almost exclusively on all the keyboards that I've seen in these years. Probably the main problem you encountered comes with the bending.other keyboards? you mean the CNC custom keyboards? every IC/GB carefully explains what kind of material, production method and surface treatment or finish is used, no need to wonder. it is mostly aluminum, cnc, bead blasting and anodizing.
Anyway steel is good, if you use stainless steel, it's even better. What thickness are you going to use? I just wonder how does aluminium sound in comparison. Probably steel is going to sound higher pitched than aluminium.when powder coating, you certainly don't use stainless steel, that's a waste of money. the coating protects the steel and prevents it from rusting.
And remember that even if its inox, it still rusts when it's dirty... So it should be really high quality steel.yes, thanks, I do know that. the company that does the powder coating uses a five phase cleaning procedure. intensive and automated cleaning is a standard procedure before the coating. again, you just use standard steel when you powder coat, definitely NOT stainless steel. though there is a huge number of different steels to choose from. I have friends who work in engineering and automotive, so I have ways to figure out what the most suited alloy is.
I posted some photos on last page about the "brushed", "sandblasted", and "antiqued" finishes of stainless steel Zippo lighters and I think those will match well with some shiny stainless steel hex screws.I saw that, and yes, one of those you showed there was already on my mind, OKAAAY!
If non-stainless steel is used, I think there will be some anti-rust treatment before the powder-coating.like described in the post before, that's a standard procedure.
I can also imagine "enamel" finishing like some of the enthusiast racer cars engines and some other industrial machines that needed to be operated, e.g. the steel body of some industrial sewing machines or kitchen mixers. The enamel may chip if dropped or hit by great force but otherwise very durable.enamel paint is not nearly as resistant as powder coating. powder coating is not some paint job!
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.
Agreed, lemme see black with Dolch. mmm hmm.
OKAY,
I compared more RAL colors, trying to find a good match for dolch alpha base aka GMK-CC. RAL7021 fits pretty well i think. this will also go well with modern dolch and many other dark sets.
made new renderings, look:
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(https://i.imgur.com/S2r6X0A.jpg)This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.
Agreed, lemme see black with Dolch. mmm hmm.
OKAY,
I compared more RAL colors, trying to find a good match for dolch alpha base aka GMK-CC. RAL7021 fits pretty well i think. this will also go well with modern dolch and many other dark sets.
made new renderings, look:
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got an update regarding PCB collaboration:
I talked to maartenwut (https://maartenwut.com/). His PCBs will be available with SKB2. So you will have the option to get a really good QMK powered PCB together with the case. Plain60-C and TA-65 for sure I would say. I'm working on more ;)
A new 75% layout.. Please? Staggered function row and detached nav cluster. ;D
A new 75% layout.. Please? Staggered function row and detached nav cluster. ;D
I prefer those over the KBD75 style as well. the style you describe is how 75% is done right. we'll see...
got an update regarding PCB collaboration:
I talked to maartenwut (https://maartenwut.com/). His PCBs will be available with SKB2. So you will have the option to get a really good QMK powered PCB together with the case. Plain60-C and TA-65 for sure I would say. I'm working on more ;)
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout... ;D
Where can I find said PCB??
yes, where please?!
but also yes, I do prefer such a layout over the KBDfans 75% layout. I'll do renderings and look out for colaboration regarding PCBs.
No ISO enter on TX 75, so he won't sell mine !How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout... ;D
Where can I find said PCB??
yes, where please?!
but also yes, I do prefer such a layout over the KBDfans 75% layout. I'll do renderings and look out for colaboration regarding PCBs.
TXKeyboards.. Not sure though if the maker will make tons of these PCBs
Update:
I'm currently preparing the data for making the next prototypes. these will be another 60%, 65% with blockers (as seen in the renderings), TKL and maybe 75%, not sure jet. colors will be RAL9002, RAL7021 and a third one that I don't know jet. will show more renderings when I have the time.
question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?
Update:
I'm currently preparing the data for making the next prototypes. these will be another 60%, 65% with blockers (as seen in the renderings), TKL and maybe 75%, not sure jet. colors will be RAL9002, RAL7021 and a third one that I don't know jet. will show more renderings when I have the time.
question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?
Update:
I'm currently preparing the data for making the next prototypes. these will be another 60%, 65% with blockers (as seen in the renderings), TKL and maybe 75%, not sure jet. colors will be RAL9002, RAL7021 and a third one that I don't know jet. will show more renderings when I have the time.
question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?
Update:A navy blue or burgundy color would be nice to see
I'm currently preparing the data for making the next prototypes. these will be another 60%, 65% with blockers (as seen in the renderings), TKL and maybe 75%, not sure jet. colors will be RAL9002, RAL7021 and a third one that I don't know jet. will show more renderings when I have the time.
question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?
Since it's stainless steel, how about an polished option with no coating? just raw stainless steel with matching silver nuts. Would buy instantly.it‘s not stainless - afaik
question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?
As per one of my previous posts, I think taking advantage of powder coating to do some more "out there" colour(s) that are hard to pull off with anodisation would be a nice idea - eg. bright orange, banana yellow, lime green, neon pink, etc. I personally feel they'd look cool with the industrial look of the board too and contrast with the black exposed screws etc.
Most would also probably be a nice match with most "neutral" sets (eg. WOB, BOW, greys, beiges, etc) and because it sorta inverts the dynamic of the case being the "canvas" (eg. black case with GMK Laser or what have you), I think it'd be refreshing to see.
Since it's stainless steel, how about an polished option with no coating? just raw stainless steel with matching silver nuts. Would buy instantly.it‘s not stainless - afaik
Since the exposed hardware is such a big part of the design I think it would be worth offering a few different colors of screws to really customize the looks
@LoneRegiment, I do agree with you.
I wonder what the case would like if it is also bent inwards on the bottom.
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
Would the TKL be WK or WKL? My vote is for WKL :)
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Couldn't agree more !I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
Couldn't agree more !I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
MoreI really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.Couldn't agree more !I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
This looks like a bad paint job? Okay...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/heavy-6-_17-of-26_1024x1024.jpg?v=1567995231) (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414)
MoreI really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.Couldn't agree more !I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
This looks like a bad paint job? Okay...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/heavy-6-_17-of-26_1024x1024.jpg?v=1567995231) (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414)
MoreI really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.Couldn't agree more !I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!
What do you guys think?
no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)
May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
This looks like a bad paint job? Okay...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/heavy-6-_17-of-26_1024x1024.jpg?v=1567995231) (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414)
Noticed the board is sitting on feet. Unlike the OG SKB, which sits on the bottom case.
Any wobble on the prototype case?
... ...
This looks like a bad paint job? Okay...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/heavy-6-_17-of-26_1024x1024.jpg?v=1567995231) (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414)
imo hammerschlag fits old machines made of cast iron... those heavy old machinery. so the hammerschlag finish fits there. with sheetmetal it's different, I don't think if would be good fit.
also generally i think hammerschlag ... big machinery and larger surfaces is where I would see it making more sense.
Hi PlastikSchnittstelle, do you have any textured sample of the different coatings? Did you simulate it on your renders?
I voted for black in the IC, but if a bright neon pink is possible I'd take that in a heart beat. I'm thinking of something like this:It's missing a rainbow somewhere. And a licorn, would be perfect.
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What an exquisite taste, indeedI voted for black in the IC, but if a bright neon pink is possible I'd take that in a heart beat. I'm thinking of something like this:It's missing a rainbow somewhere. And a licorn, would be perfect.
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Hi PlastikSchnittstelle, do you have any textured sample of the different coatings? Did you simulate it on your renders?
yes, I can show matte and glossy tomorrow :)
in all the renderings I tried simulating Feinstruktur, like the prototype. I just appied a simple bump texture.
Thanks for the samples. Is matte an option you would still considere ?
On the pictures I can see that the matte option is grainy also.Is it like Matte + Feinstruktur ?I'm confused.
Would it be possible to order just one instance of a non-standard top cutout?Would the TKL be WK or WKL? My vote is for WKL :)
that's the same situation like with 60%. when I decide to make the size, then it is pretty simple for me to offer the top part with different cutouts, in other words standard/WKL/HHKB etc.
so TKLwouldwill be WK&WKL.
:)
I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly. Only complete cases will be sold, not single parts. Is that what you mean?sorry, I was unclear. You said accommodating different blocker styles is not difficult, so I was wondering if I could order a special blocker style (standard 60% but with the bottom left and right 1.25u keys missing) version. Like another variant like hhkb, wkl etc but something that probably only I would order. or is it too much work?
Interested... But for the grommets.. Maybe have 2 sandwiching the pcb,? But the grommets do wear and tear quite fast (rubber degredation), maybe can include some spares...
Brass material with Matt clear coat?
Understood.Understandable. I think I'll just order the regular 65% version you rendered here :)
Just making it isn't much work. Manufacturing only one is just too expensive. Also managing too many orders of custom, low quantity versions is something I will definately want to avoid. Offering a few different sizes and versions plus three color options is already quite a challenge.
Or maybe Boardwalk, if it's offered again?
Sure no worries... Just design per what u think deems fit and I'll just tag along for a purchase when it becomes available. Thanks for explain to a dumb person like me.
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the manufacturing does not require any moulds. if it would, the case would be very expensive. here you can see (https://www.trumpf.com/de_DE/produkte/maschinen-systeme/biegemaschinen/trubend-serie-3000/) how the machines look like that are used for sheet metal bending, they are awesome imo.
1800, very few voted for it in the IC form.
but maarten does make 1800 PCBs, so it would be possible. I asked him, we could offer them along a possible SKB2-1800 version.
here you can get an idea of how it would look like:
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How about the 75%? Are we still gonna use kbdfan's pcb? ;D
The downside imo with bigger cases though is that the sound will be more hollow the bigger the footprint becomes.
So the real question imho would be; is there an option that foam for between the pcb and plate could be part of the GB. And/or different plate materials.
As long as a 75 option exists, I'll stay activly focus. I Wouldn't mind getting away from the kbd75 design as mentioned a few days ago (the proper way to do 75, if I recall).How about the 75%? Are we still gonna use kbdfan's pcb? ;D
there will be at least one 75% option. will have to check out available PCB options with offset R0 and nav column. maarten does not have such a design.
a variant for the kbd75 pcb would be a possibility as well of course, but two different 75% options isn't necessary imo.
SKB2 75% layout
I have put together a simple google form to check what kind of 75% layout you would prefer to see for the SKB2 version.
Probably not all mentioned versions would be possible to realize, but anyway, good to know and multivote is possibel.
So to those who are interested in SKB2 and 75%, please fill out the form:
KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc47UIQEcGqhjmsXvnSwa46ae7k6DdUb9qeRkyXYO0-Hwc_VQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
SKB2 75% layout
I have put together a simple google form to check what kind of 75% layout you would prefer to see for the SKB2 version.
Probably not all mentioned versions would be possible to realize, but anyway, good to know and multivote is possibel.
So to those who are interested in SKB2 and 75%, please fill out the form:
KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc47UIQEcGqhjmsXvnSwa46ae7k6DdUb9qeRkyXYO0-Hwc_VQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
Would it be possible to do a poll on TKL layouts as well? Wanted to bring up the possibility of the h88 again as they're regularly scheduled for preorder and we could get that sweet F13 action. 1800 format also looks dope btw.
Would it be possible to do a poll on TKL layouts as well? Wanted to bring up the possibility of the h88 again as they're regularly scheduled for preorder and we could get that sweet F13 action. 1800 format also looks dope btw.
poll for TKL? are there more layouts than standard/WKL x ANSI/ISO ?
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D
Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:
PS: Regarding the 75, my one request would be to allow for winkey blockers on the option(s) chosen if we want them.
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D
Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:
looks like that F13 got popular quite quickly :D
+++1!+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D
Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:
looks like that F13 got popular quite quickly :D
Let's make it hap'n cap'n.
PS: Regarding the 75, my one request would be to allow for winkey blockers on the option(s) chosen if we want them.
WKL blockers would depend on the case. with the 75% google-form, I only want to get an idea which PCB might be the best option for most of you. any of the options there, may or may not come with or without WKL blockers. same with ANSI/ISO or different bottom row options. that's not what this form wants to check for. just what PCB might be the most popular to be housed by an SKB2-75.
SKB2 75% based on votes
OKAY, clear favorite so far for a 75% is version D. a PCB for this versions does not exist so far, afaik. had no time for renderings, this is a simpler visualization, but should be ok for a first impression. the partly blocked nav column was just a quick idea. 12 degree angle. added the new F13, which has so many friends here. case color is RAL9002 again. cap set is from an old IC for an MOD kit that never happened, but will maybe find the time to pick it up again.
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May I ask what's so hot with F13? Excuse the ignorance, but I don't understand its use/value.
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May I ask what's so hot with F13? Excuse the ignorance, but I don't understand its use/value.
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SKB2 75% based on votes
OKAY, clear favorite so far for a 75% is version D. a PCB for this versions does not exist so far, afaik. had no time for renderings, this is a simpler visualization, but should be ok for a first impression. the partly blocked nav column was just a quick idea. 12 degree angle. added the new F13, which has so many friends here. case color is RAL9002 again. cap set is from an old IC for an MOD kit that never happened, but will maybe find the time to pick it up again.
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Is the layout for D final? I was hoping that the space between Esc and F1 is reduced from .5u to .25u so that there is a .25u space between F12 and F13
I would kill for option E without the arrows - so basically a 60 with staggered / seperated F-Row, something that seems to be almost nonexistent, which always blows my mind - would be the perfect gaming keyboard, as many games utilies F-Keys AND number keys...What you said makes a lot of sense, I'd prefer it with the arrows but I would also consider this. Not interested in more traditional 75%s myself.
1800, very few voted for it in the IC form.
but maarten does make 1800 PCBs, so it would be possible. I asked him, we could offer them along a possible SKB2-1800 version.
here you can get an idea of how it would look like:
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Why don't you do Hyper 7 enclosure with the H7 (173%) PCB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94495.0)? That'll be something. I can pilot USS Enterprise with it :)Asking the important questions.
+1 untreated steel or clear coated.
+1 untreated steel or clear coated.
clear coat? if raw then stainless A2, sandblasted and uncoated ;)
Your black glossy renders looks very nice, but subjectively seems to me more semi-gloss that really glossy (I speak from a graphic designer perspective).True, compared to the glossy sample (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2832388#msg2832388) the renderings make it look less glossy. It was the best I could deliver in a certain time. At this point I won't spend more time on renderings, just getting the next round of prototypes ready - only then we can see how it really looks.
Since, I’m more used to Pantone references than RAL, could you tell us if the white is a neutral bright as it seems on the last glossy renders or warmer with a very little hint of yellow as it seemed in the prototypes original pictures? I guess it’s the latest but just want to be sure.Pantone would be nice, but for the powder coating, RAL is my only available option. The white I used for the TKL is RAL9010, it is just slightly warm, overall you would perceive it as neutral. It should fit GMK-WS1 very well, we'll see. Here you can search RAL and Pantone colors and get the corresponding RGB values (https://rgb.to/), which I use in the rendering.
Finally about colors: your design choices don’t speak the same langage to me when it comes to the red or blue popping and glossy options. But, hey, I’m already happy with a white and black option, that let your design shines.more saturated colors? hmm, yes, I think you might be right.
Imo, a saturated color would have to be in line with an industrial or Bauhaus/Modernist colors family.
It’s also the reason why stainless steal could be a very strong and uncommon option (but would raise questions on the feel and look of the case, and its way of aging.)
Pardon this long reply, I’m very digging your IC (in the case of a 1800 layout option, I could invest in a 75 and a 1800.)No reason to pardon! I'm thankful for your contribution, it helps.
Will you consider using other materials for the plate? Annodized aluminum would be nice.
Tried to find it, but either I didn't try hard enough, or there's really no such info: what's the size of the screws that are used to mount the plate? I guess, it's either M3 or M4?
I was thinking about using spanner head screws to achieve more industrial look.
I really like how toe RAL6027 color pops but is also muted at the same time. You've got my vote for that color. Side note, I think your images are swapped since the red renders are under the RAL6027 line and the light green renders are under the RAL3028 line.
Would kill to get a matching wristwrest
Just let us know, when you'll launch that Google form, so everyone would be ready and get equal chances.
sounds good to me. heck i would even throw money at you to get one of the prototypes and pay for another board in the gb itself. if that was a possibility, or are you gonna keep them all/give them to friends?
So just to confirm - i pay 110€ now and when gb starts i choose a format factor ?
But thats the price for the case ?
What about TKL pcb, that i‘ll pay extra then ?
Thanks
So just to confirm - i pay 110€ now and when gb starts i choose a format factor ?
But thats the price for the case ?
What about TKL pcb, that i‘ll pay extra then ?
Thanks
yes, when GB starts you will pic whatever size you like. if you'll choose one of the larger sizes and they end up much higher in price, then please be aware that a certain amount might still be necessary to pay. the early bird price advantage should not be more than 20%.
and, yes, just the case, the price for the PCB will then be added.
- 60% PCB option will be the Plain60
- 65% PCB option will be the TA65
- more infos regarding the TKL PCB in december
But Pcbs will be handled with the GB?
Wait, Plain60 or Plain60-C? Will the case support USB-C?
oh yes, that's an important detial of course :)
the Plain60-C, the USB-C version. that's the one that will be offered along the 60% versions.
but it does not matter, you could put a different 60% PCB into the case, works with all. plug position is usually the same, so it also won't matter if the PCB has USB-mini or USB-C.
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.
Update: Early Bird Form
I have the "earlybird" form ready. More infos here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256), just a few posts earlier.
Hopefully the 15 early birds emerge quickly. I'll close the form when 15 have filled it out, then I can also place the order for the next protos.
Link to the form:
KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsJYeGLBiWabtFrT4KPCBkRNrWhQHy-X6YN3Xgjv8hnGryoQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
Update: Early Bird Form
I have the "earlybird" form ready. More infos here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256), just a few posts earlier.
Hopefully the 15 early birds emerge quickly. I'll close the form when 15 have filled it out, then I can also place the order for the next protos.
Link to the form:
KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsJYeGLBiWabtFrT4KPCBkRNrWhQHy-X6YN3Xgjv8hnGryoQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
Joined the early bird! Excited for the TKL :eek:+1 in for TKL
Update - early birds form closed:
I thought I might check tomorrow. just decided to take a look. already 17, I closed it.
THAT WAS QUICK!
strange - I used a plugin that should send a confirmation email and I should have gotten an email when 15 are reached.I didn't get that emailoh I did get it. anyway, very good that we got there this quickly, very happy with the development.
early bird invoices tomorrow.
In for tkl ;)
is this real?
is this real?
I don't know. Found the pic a few weeks ago without any description
Update / prototype funding:
With the next prototypes I want to show you a few color options, finishes, materials and different sizes. Just one or two prototypes won't be enough this time. This will be quite expensive and that's why I suggest the following:
I'll put up a google form where those who want to jump on early and support quicker advancing towards GB phase, can do so for a lower price. I don't know jet how much each size will cost in the end, it depends on many factors. I estimate the 60% versions will probably not be cheaper than 110€. So the first 15 early birds who fill out the form will get a 110€ paypal invoice. When the GB starts they can choose whatever size/version they like. For a smaller size, shipping will be free for them. If they choose a bigger size, they will probably have to pay a bit of shipping or full shipping, depending on where the price of the bigger sizes will land. Either way, I'll make sure the early birds will have a price advantage of around 15-20%, I think that's fair.
Be aware that these sizes will definitely be made:
- 60% / Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS
- 65% / with and without blockers
- TKL / Standard and WKL
these sizes maybe made:
- 60% / Boardwalk
- 75% (very likely but not jet decided which PCB it will support)
- 1800
Good plan?
Update / prototype funding:
With the next prototypes I want to show you a few color options, finishes, materials and different sizes. Just one or two prototypes won't be enough this time. This will be quite expensive and that's why I suggest the following:
I'll put up a google form where those who want to jump on early and support quicker advancing towards GB phase, can do so for a lower price. I don't know jet how much each size will cost in the end, it depends on many factors. I estimate the 60% versions will probably not be cheaper than 110€. So the first 15 early birds who fill out the form will get a 110€ paypal invoice. When the GB starts they can choose whatever size/version they like. For a smaller size, shipping will be free for them. If they choose a bigger size, they will probably have to pay a bit of shipping or full shipping, depending on where the price of the bigger sizes will land. Either way, I'll make sure the early birds will have a price advantage of around 15-20%, I think that's fair.
Be aware that these sizes will definitely be made:
- 60% / Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS
- 65% / with and without blockers
- TKL / Standard and WKL
these sizes maybe made:
- 60% / Boardwalk
- 75% (very likely but not jet decided which PCB it will support)
- 1800
Good plan?
Any chance for a more traditional 65 layout that has only the small blocker beside the arrow keys? The current 65 w/ blocker has a rather unique blocker position which may appeal to some, but I don't see how the blocker above the arrow keys serve any purpose considering there's no badge or accent to add to the aesthetics.
@PlastikSchnittstell, Hi, waiting is part of the sport but could you give us a rough schedule on the next steps (protos?), when it's clear for you? Thx
If you could have the gb at the end of february that would be great, then I have the money to join.@PlastikSchnittstell, Hi, waiting is part of the sport but could you give us a rough schedule on the next steps (protos?), when it's clear for you? Thx
Yes, here is another UPDATE:
I got the prototypes yesterday. Brought them to powder coating earlier today. There is a good chance they will be ready before christmas.
A lot of details still need to be worked out (deciding on colors, sizes, blocker-versions, which layouts will the plates support). I assume january or february is when I'll be ready to open the GB. I plan to open a discord for the GB, then.
Update / prototype funding:
With the next prototypes I want to show you a few color options, finishes, materials and different sizes. Just one or two prototypes won't be enough this time. This will be quite expensive and that's why I suggest the following:
I'll put up a google form where those who want to jump on early and support quicker advancing towards GB phase, can do so for a lower price. I don't know jet how much each size will cost in the end, it depends on many factors. I estimate the 60% versions will probably not be cheaper than 110€. So the first 15 early birds who fill out the form will get a 110€ paypal invoice. When the GB starts they can choose whatever size/version they like. For a smaller size, shipping will be free for them. If they choose a bigger size, they will probably have to pay a bit of shipping or full shipping, depending on where the price of the bigger sizes will land. Either way, I'll make sure the early birds will have a price advantage of around 15-20%, I think that's fair.
Be aware that these sizes will definitely be made:
- 60% / Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS
- 65% / with and without blockers
- TKL / Standard and WKL
these sizes maybe made:
- 60% / Boardwalk
- 75% (very likely but not jet decided which PCB it will support)
- 1800
Good plan?
I think it was FCFS for the early bird.Sounds great! I'll definitely jump on for early bird, really interested in these!
Sorry to disappoint, but you're a bit late for early bird.
The raffle ended like 2 weeks ago.
I think it was FCFS for the early bird.Sounds great! I'll definitely jump on for early bird, really interested in these!
Sorry to disappoint, but you're a bit late for early bird.
The raffle ended like 2 weeks ago.
Are you going to run an early bird on orders/payments as well? Seems rather dumb to run it on IC when those might not even purchase, where as the people actually PAYING aren't given any discounts.what are you even trying to sayyyy???? but go ahead call people dumb lmao
Are you going to run an early bird on orders/payments as well? Seems rather dumb to run it on IC when those might not even purchase, where as the people actually PAYING aren't given any discounts.
@steezkeez
thanks for your effort to clarify this. it would have not been neccessary to clarify anything if Caktuss would have just read some more of the thread before posting. it's a classic, happens all the time.
all early birds got an invoice the next day after I closed the google-form. they all paid within the next two or three days and I could therefore order more prototypes. yes, I had already posted that, I think.
happy to let you now that I got the protos back from surface treatement today. looking really nice! probably won't be able to show you pictures tomorrow, but hopefully around the weekend. I'm VERY satisfied about the result :)
@steezkeez
thanks for your effort to clarify this. it would have not been neccessary to clarify anything if Caktuss would have just read some more of the thread before posting. it's a classic, happens all the time.
all early birds got an invoice the next day after I closed the google-form. they all paid within the next two or three days and I could therefore order more prototypes. yes, I had already posted that, I think.
happy to let you now that I got the protos back from surface treatement today. looking really nice! probably won't be able to show you pictures tomorrow, but hopefully around the weekend. I'm VERY satisfied about the result :)
Do we have a Discord Channel? Should we have Discord Channel?
We'll survive with IMGUR photos ;D
The nickel looks really nice. Any chance you'll still be offering the RAL6027, but in the Feinstruktur? I kinda like how the texture looks with the matte finish.
Well, Dolch is interesting color. And I think it will fit not only Dolch, but any other dark keycaps with vibrant accents. Reminds me of old Catalyst 2950 switches in a way.
Glossy is big meh IMO: the structure is "wavy" and uneven. One could achive perfect structure in car paint shop, but it will cost way more.
Inox Nickeled is very interesting finish: warm, but not "pinky" as those Apple Rose Gold copycats (personally, I hate that color). I'll check it on better screen and if it will be available -- consider switching to it from 9001.
As for basic "beige" -- I still would prefer 9001 over 9002 for Yugo I plan to put on this board.
The nickel looks really nice. Any chance you'll still be offering the RAL6027, but in the Feinstruktur? I kinda like how the texture looks with the matte finish.
totally possible, yes.
I just couldn't afford to get all the colors I showed in the renderings. you have to pay rüstkosten (setup-fees?) for every color.
another google-form will help to decide which colors will be offered in the end.
though I'm not sure if the rather poppy RAL6027 will be better in glossy instead of feinstruktur?
Would it be possible to see a photo with the ePBT / Classic Beige keycaps next to or sitting on the Inox Nickel finish? Almost looks like it might be a nicer match than RAL9002 or RAL9001 ...
Would it be possible to have a shot of the powder coated glossy in a indoor environment?
7021 looks really good with dolch too
Would it be possible to have a shot of the powder coated glossy in a indoor environment?
yes, totally agree, I need indoor/desksetup pictures. my lighting inside was just terrible and I don't have an extra flashlight. even the outdoor pictures are far from good, it was much too cloudy and I rushed it because it was beginning to rain. I'll work on a more relatable picture scenario after the holidays.
Suggestion:
I just recently built my skb75 v1 and mounting the plate into the top is probably the most awkward and counter-intuitive process of the whole build. With the single long screws, I have to secure them to the top piece first, then finessing the plate into the top. There is no other way around, everything has to be done in that exact order. The screws on the bottom lip are easy, but the top lip screws got tricky, there was not a lot of real estate to wiggle about. How about using multiple shorter screws so each step could be done independently. Please see picture for examples:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sOJfbti.jpg)
1. Top row: you can place the spacers onto the plate first, then place the plate-with-spacers into the top piece later. Either way this system gives you better access at tighter spots because you can use 2 screwdrivers.
2. Bottom row: same idea, you pretty much positions the spacers with the plate first before placing the entire thing into the top piece of the case.
Cool!
About the plate and the split spacebar options on the 75% - should I decide to go with PCB mounted stabs, will I be able to change from split to normal (or vice versa) without desoldering the whole board (i.e. will the stabs be able to pass through the plate)? Should be doable with plate mount stabs, right? Sorry if these are noob questions, I've never built a board.
Big fan of the dolch and naked. :thumb:Me too can't wait.
I'm in love with that nickel color scheme from the photos of the latest prototype, was wondering though if those are the finalized colors you are planning for the GB cause I fell hard for that turquoise case rendering you had
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.
Sounds great, have an happy 31!I'm in love with that nickel color scheme from the photos of the latest prototype, was wondering though if those are the finalized colors you are planning for the GB cause I fell hard for that turquoise case rendering you had
The colors are not finalized jet.
In the new year, I'll first have to contact the company that did the powder coating and find out what went wrong with the glossy colors (wavy surface). Then I can decide whether glossy will be on option or not. Then probably one more small and quick round of protos with two or three other color options. Better pictures (improved lighting and indoor). Then a google form should help to make a final color decision.I should add a todo section to the start post.
EDIT: just did that.
The process takes time. Though I have to say that so far this proceeds quickly. It was less than a month since the day I ordered the last protos until I uploaded the pictures for you.
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.
I still have a YAS kit that hasn't been built yet. Is it possible to get a case without the PCB?
Sounds great, have an happy 31!
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.
I still have a YAS kit that hasn't been built yet. Is it possible to get a case without the PCB?
yes, this will be possible.
I'm in love with that nickel color scheme from the photos of the latest prototype, was wondering though if those are the finalized colors you are planning for the GB cause I fell hard for that turquoise case rendering you had
The colors are not finalized jet.
In the new year, I'll first have to contact the company that did the powder coating and find out what went wrong with the glossy colors (wavy surface). Then I can decide whether glossy will be on option or not. Then probably one more small and quick round of protos with two or three other color options. Better pictures (improved lighting and indoor). Then a google form should help to make a final color decision.I should add a todo section to the start post.
EDIT: just did that.
The process takes time. Though I have to say that so far this proceeds quickly. It was less than a month since the day I ordered the last protos until I uploaded the pictures for you.
Let me do some spiritual cleansing so that this project will be successful in Q1 or Q2 and perhaps I can build it up before the end of 2020.
Regarding 75%
here are the results so far from the "SKB2 75%" google form (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2832897#msg2832897):
(Attachment Link)
Version D is by far the most favored layout. I like the result a lot because this would be my first choice as well.
Quite a lot have filled out the SKB2-IC form so far. I've learned not to trust IC form numbers too much but it does look like there is a very healthy demand. To keep the SKB2 GB manageable I don't want to offer a "75% version D" right away but instead in a separate GB, later. However I do plan to offer the "75% version A" (for the KBD75-PCB) right away with this GB, better than not having a 75% option at all and the KBD75-PCB is always available.
In short:
- 75% standard version (for KBD75% PCB) in this GB
- 75% version D with new developed PCB in a later GB
Will early birds have the same benefits in the second group buy?
For the record I just want to say that Version E is a really cool idea.Yeah I'm sad about this but those results are pretty damning :( It's not like it's easy to just produce anyway because there is no PCB for it yet, I think. Sucks, it or a version without arrows would look great with the screwheads symmetrical around the centered spacebar.
Trying more colors
I linked to an earlier post containing a link to the google form where you could vote on the different 75% versions.
here is the direct link again, in there you can see the versions:
KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc47UIQEcGqhjmsXvnSwa46ae7k6DdUb9qeRkyXYO0-Hwc_VQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
I second that. I would be very curious to see a creamy pink (like 60's Cadillac, just before pastel ton, if RAL allowes it). A choice of contrast with the mechanical style.Trying more colors
Love the yellow, personally. I also like the purple, but it is quite particular - would you be willing to give a neon-ish pink a go by any chance? That, yellow and Tiffany blue/teal are the colours I've really wanted to see done for a while and no one's quite gotten them right yet (maybe the Fox65 will but they're not coated yet).
Either way, love to see the progress!
For the fasteners, could you try an ultra low profile socket head screw. Like this:
https://www.mcmaster.com/91223a416
In M3, It's head is 65% lower height, and 3% smaller diameter than the button cap. It's available in black and stainless.
For the fasteners, could you try an ultra low profile socket head screw. Like this:How can that one screw be $4.46 each?
https://www.mcmaster.com/91223a416
In M3, It's head is 65% lower height, and 3% smaller diameter than the button cap. It's available in black and stainless.
For the fasteners, could you try an ultra low profile socket head screw. Like this:
https://www.mcmaster.com/91223a416
In M3, It's head is 65% lower height, and 3% smaller diameter than the button cap. It's available in black and stainless.
I tried them on the og SKB, i think plastik's choice of screws is the best for a clean all around look. The low caps looks nice tho, used on the very first SKB prototype afaik.
Use them now on mine SKB's for the brute win :)
How can that one screw be $4.46 each?That's cause it's McMaster. They can be sourced elsewhere for waaay cheaper. Here's a pack of 50 for $3.80usd:
For the fasteners, could you try an ultra low profile socket head screw. Like this:
https://www.mcmaster.com/91223a416
In M3, It's head is 65% lower height, and 3% smaller diameter than the button cap. It's available in black and stainless.
I tried them on the og SKB, i think plastik's choice of screws is the best for a clean all around look. The low caps looks nice tho, used on the very first SKB prototype afaik.
Use them now on mine SKB's for the brute win :)
Not quite. The ones on the prototype were the low profile, not the ultra low profile. The ultras are half the height of the regular low profile (2mm vs 1mm). 1mm is really tiny, this is as close to flush as you'll get.
Here's the SKB prototype for reference: https://m.imgur.com/a/5wfjv
EDIT: you're probably right about the aesthetics tho, the button heads look like rivets.
@PlastikSchnittstelle. Speaking of screws, you mentioned here that there isn't a good way of colouring screw heads:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018)
I'd like to point out that powdercoating screw heads is a relatively common service, and I've seen them used in the field. Here's a few examples:Show Image(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/powder.jpg)Show Image(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/pg-powdercoating.jpg)Show Image(https://i0.wp.com/pcbolts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sample.jpg?fit=1500%2C1068&ssl=1)
Could you ask your powdercoater if they're willing to do this?
It's not necessary for most colours. On the dark colors like dolsch, the black screws look great already. But the RAL9002 really needs it imo.
Thanks.
try imagine me quality controlling THOUSANDS of screws - this is not going to happen ;)
Is the early bird form for the 3rd round protos on the original post?
Have there been any design changes between the different prototype runs?
@PlastikSchnittstelle. Speaking of screws, you mentioned here that there isn't a good way of colouring screw heads:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018)
I'd like to point out that powdercoating screw heads is a relatively common service, and I've seen them used in the field. Here's a few examples:Show Image(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/powder.jpg)Show Image(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/pg-powdercoating.jpg)Show Image(https://i0.wp.com/pcbolts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sample.jpg?fit=1500%2C1068&ssl=1)
Could you ask your powdercoater if they're willing to do this?
It's not necessary for most colours. On the dark colors like dolsch, the black screws look great already. But the RAL9002 really needs it imo.
Thanks.
I'd be interested to see 75% renders when they come out
Dear god, Im begging for the 1800...
There will be news regarding PCBs soon, you might like it.
The 75% "version D" layout that I had said would be done later might now be ready sooner. If so, it will be offered instead of the KBD75 style version.
Please please consider Boardwalk.
- maybe black?
Dear god, Im begging for the 1800...
I think I have to disappoint you. Though Maarten does have a 1800-PCB, it was not designed with custom cases in mind but as a replacement PCB to fit G80/G81-1800 cases (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96692.msg2641141#msg2641141). To make it fit well, he would have to make a few adjustments. In addition the interest check form indicates a rather low demand for this version.
There will be news regarding PCBs soon, you might like it.
Colors and Finishes:
Colors that will be for sure (all RAL powder coating, Feinstruktur):
- Classic beige (RAL1013 or RAL9001 or RAL9002), compare RAL9001 and 9002 prototypes here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164), also renderings with RAL1013 there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854670#msg2854670)
- Dolch / gray (RAL7039) prototype here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164)
- Yellow (RAL1023) renderings here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2850066#msg2850066) and there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854674#msg2854674)
- maybe black?
Maybe black will be added but three is already a lot, keep in mind that with all the different sizes and layouts it will be a lot of possible combinations.
All Feinstruktur, since no one objected to my post back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854667#msg2854667).
Stainless Steel:
- "bead blasted only" or "bead blasted & nickel treated", see protos of both compared here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164).
I only want to offer one of the two. I'm leaning more towards the one with nickel treatement. The "bead blasted only" version is for sure very nice but I think it looks very similar to "aluminum bead blasted anodized". Only when picking it up you would instantly know it's not alu because of the higher weight. The nickel treatement is a very interesting look that I haven't seen jet.
Please let me know if this sound all reasonable to you.
Sizes & Layouts:
These ones will be offered for sure:
- 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62
- 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker and right column two key blocker (like prototype)
- 75%
- TKL Standard, WKL
The 75% "version D" layout that I had said would be done later might now be ready sooner. If so, it will be offered instead of the KBD75 style version.
Colors and Finishes:
Colors that will be for sure (all RAL powder coating, Feinstruktur):
- Classic beige (RAL1013 or RAL9001 or RAL9002), compare RAL9001 and 9002 prototypes here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164), also renderings with RAL1013 there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854670#msg2854670)
- Dolch / gray (RAL7039) prototype here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164)
- Yellow (RAL1023) renderings here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2850066#msg2850066) and there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854674#msg2854674)
- maybe black?
Maybe black will be added but three is already a lot, keep in mind that with all the different sizes and layouts it will be a lot of possible combinations.
All Feinstruktur, since no one objected to my post back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854667#msg2854667).
Stainless Steel:
- "bead blasted only" or "bead blasted & nickel treated", see protos of both compared here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164).
I only want to offer one of the two. I'm leaning more towards the one with nickel treatement. The "bead blasted only" version is for sure very nice but I think it looks very similar to "aluminum bead blasted anodized". Only when picking it up you would instantly know it's not alu because of the higher weight. The nickel treatement is a very interesting look that I haven't seen jet.
Please let me know if this sound all reasonable to you.
I have pretty much the same opinion. I just checked if I wrote that lolRAL options for classic beige:
I made a few new renderings for comparing the beige options RAL9001 and RAL9002. I also found a third option, RAL1013. The renderings may probably be missleading because the rgb values can't match what you see in reality. I still didn't had time for good pictures. After I have those done, I will set up a form where we can vote on the colors. Renderings in the following order: RAL1013, RAL9001, RAL9002, then again from different perspective.
Here:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mw3B2tG.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Hv2WkLb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Ai0KiDv.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/llLserK.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nSpDv81.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/a4HHbi5.png)
Well, if my monitor is correctly showing 1013 more creamy than 9001 and 9002 (almost pure white), I think I'm in for 1013.
So, my preference for "beige" is following: 1013>9001>9002 (If there will be 9002 chosen, I'll most likely switch to nickel or inox finish)
Colors & finish options are (almost) set:
guys, thanks a lot for the feedback. this really helps making decisions. looks like there are not many variables left now.
regarding black. yes, the arguments for black some of you brought forward are good, black really should not be left out. I'll manage four color options.
the only question left for powder coats is which of the three RAL options for beige. when I get back the next protos including RAL1013 I can put the three options side by side in pictures and then we can vote.
powder coating color options (all feinstruktur):
- classic beige (RAL1013 or RAL9001 or RAL9002)
- dolch / gray (RAL7039)
- yellow (RAL1023)
- black
stainless steel will be bead blasted and have the nickel treatment.
yes, yellow is the one popping color option now. looking at the linked GBs in your signature, I can see why RAL6027 would have been really nice for you - sorry.
The "early bird" form is €110, does that mean people who join will have a €110 discount on their GB order?
Just filled the Early Bird form! Is there a discord we can follow for this build? Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but 10 pages is kind of a lot to read through
The "early bird" form is €110, does that mean people who join will have a €110 discount on their GB order?
I detailed it in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256).
The "early bird" form is €110, does that mean people who join will have a €110 discount on their GB order?
I detailed it in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256).
Sorry, I read that post and it's still not clear; it just says something about free shipping. Is the early bird price subtracted from the group buy price?
signed up for the early bird form, can't wait to get my first 75% board (75% is confirmed right?)
signed up for the early bird form, can't wait to get my first 75% board (75% is confirmed right?)
Yes, in two versions. Compact 75% is coming with the regular GB, and a more spaced version a little later due to the PCB not being ready in time. Check earlier posts for details.
signed up for the early bird form, can't wait to get my first 75% board (75% is confirmed right?)
Yes, in two versions. Compact 75% is coming with the regular GB, and a more spaced version a little later due to the PCB not being ready in time. Check earlier posts for details.
Early birds form for 3rd prototype batch closed:
Happy to see that it was achieved quickly like the last time. I found a plugin that closed the form automatically after a given amount of entries, much better this way.
Early bird invoices go out later this day.
Early birds form for 3rd prototype batch closed:
Happy to see that it was achieved quickly like the last time. I found a plugin that closed the form automatically after a given amount of entries, much better this way.
Early bird invoices go out later this day.
Sorry, prototypes are safely funded now.Have all the PayPal invoices been sent? Thought I was quick off the mark but it seems not quick enough!
[...]Maartens Eon87 does have underglow LEDs but the SKB2 does not care for LED lighting AT ALL. It is a full steel enclosure, no shine through parts.[...]
Please excuse my slight hostility towards LED stuff. Don't want to offend anyone, I just don't want to support it when I'm not a fan of it.
Is Maarten able to offer a TA-65 with usb-c? If not, then the XD68 from here (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33001070473.html) should fit just fine right? Just want to know so it arrives in time. Thanks.
About the platesIf it does not add anything to the typing experience, let's forget about it and try to add flex another way.
You know from the pictures in the start post that the plates have relief cuts around the mounting points. I tried different sizes, they all had much less of an impact that I was expecting. Since the case has big bezels, I thought why not use the room you have, so I tried the maximum amount of relief cuts. It's basically a thin strip that winds as much as possible in the available space. Want to show you what I got (obviously hasn't been surface treated jet):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/swpavSA.mp4)(I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)
link to the video (https://imgur.com/swpavSA)
Here you can also see one of the grommets getting seated:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6Lg8wjP.mp4)(I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)
link to the video (https://imgur.com/6Lg8wjP)
Now before you all scream "I-WANT-THAT", please read my thoughts about this:
I have put the plate into a case and put switched and caps on. It's not a complete build but I can tell that when typing you won't be able to tell this plate with super long and winding relief cuts apart from one without them. If you press down on all keys with both hands then you do feel is, the plate can be pressed down. But in terms of typing - there is no effect for me noticeable.
Isolating the plate from the case via the grommet is much more noticeable compared to going metal on metal with the mounting. Maybe using grommets has a lesser effect in CNC milled cases but for my type of case, the isolation mounting has a big and satisfactory impact.
Not only is the impact of the winding relief cut hardly noticeable, it also brings problems in terms of manufacturing, transportation and handling. The thin strips are quite fragile and I fear if I would have a lot produced like that, quite a few might end up broken.
So even if this looks like something you might want to have in your plate, I have to say that this kind of cut is in my opinion neither a noticeable nor a feasible solution.
I will do relief cuts but not like this.
I feel like the board doesn't necessarily need any more flex than what is already provided by the mounting system - granted obviously I have no typed on the board and I'll likely try and get hold of the plate files to have laserboost or someone cut me a POM plate for a second PCB, I'm not sure that really is the ethos of the SKB line.Well said
I'm just glad Plastik is trying all sorts of cool **** with the funded prototype runs, it's very refreshing to see exactly where the money's going and helping gain a lot of ground/knowledge prior to declaring the design final.
Too bad the material used is not ferrous
My question about the plates is, is it possible to order an "extrawurst" special plate layout that probably nobody else wants? Or will the plate that's offered with the 60 layouts support all layouts at the same time anyway (6.25u and 7u spacebar)?
I would have hoped for a bit more bezel but I am aware this probably puts me in the minority...but I am definitely in. However something just struck me.
Please consider offering an add on folded palm rest, just a simple wedge shaped profile that would go along nicely with the case. Should be easy to manufacture and not too expensive.
Too bad the material used is not ferrous as it would be possible to use magnets to attach the palm rest to the case. Maybe still a possibility somehow, hmmm...
I LIKE BIG Bezels...
yeah, me too :)
I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)
Too bad the material used is not ferrous
It definitely is ferrous. The whole point of SKB2 is that it's made of ferrous steel. Only the stainless version might be non-ferrous, and even that is unlikely since I'm guessing he's using 18-8 stainless which is mildly magnetic. Only something like 316 would be completely non-magnetic.
@PlastikSchnittstelle Are the plates going to support Maarten's switch top openers (https://maartenwut.com/product/switch-openers/)?
the stainless steel version will be made of V2A.
During the SKB1 GB I made custom plate DXF for everyone who asked for it. Quite a lot got their own plate this way. I'm planning to offer my help the same way again. Maybe this time a custom plate service that not only gets you the file but a physical plate instead, not sure about that yet.
Too bad the material used is not ferrous
It definitely is ferrous. The whole point of SKB2 is that it's made of ferrous steel. Only the stainless version might be non-ferrous, and even that is unlikely since I'm guessing he's using 18-8 stainless which is mildly magnetic. Only something like 316 would be completely non-magnetic.
I LIKE BIG Bezels...
yeah, me too :)
I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)
I would have hoped for a bit more bezel but I am aware this probably puts me in the minority...but I am definitely in. However something just struck me.
Please consider offering an add on folded palm rest, just a simple wedge shaped profile that would go along nicely with the case. Should be easy to manufacture and not too expensive.
Too bad the material used is not ferrous as it would be possible to use magnets to attach the palm rest to the case. Maybe still a possibility somehow, hmmm...
I LIKE BIG Bezels...
yeah, me too :)
I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)
I would have hoped for a bit more bezel but I am aware this probably puts me in the minority...but I am definitely in. However something just struck me.
Please consider offering an add on folded palm rest, just a simple wedge shaped profile that would go along nicely with the case. Should be easy to manufacture and not too expensive.
Too bad the material used is not ferrous as it would be possible to use magnets to attach the palm rest to the case. Maybe still a possibility somehow, hmmm...
I LIKE BIG Bezels...
yeah, me too :)
I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)
This looks awesome, although I can see a few limitations right off:
- If the feet at the front are at the edge of the palm rest, it would be very difficult to angle the board, i.e. the feet at the back would have to be way bigger to allow the same angles
- If the feet at the front are where they usually would be (without the palm rest), the palm rest would stick out in the lowest angle setting and would probably tilt the keyboard when you rest your hands on it (unless of course there are feet there too, which would mean one extra pair of feet for each angle setting)
Maybe if the palm rest is semi-rigidly attached in some way that allows changing the angle...
Have you thought about a 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 bottom row (like Koyu) support on the 65%? Dream layout, but there aren’t any decently priced ones on the market
:(
Have you seen the 65% PCB from Maarten (https://maartenwut.com/product/ta-65/)? It does support exactly that layout. Tsangan bottom row for 65%. For this GB he'll design a new 65% PCB, same layouts like his Ta-65 PCB, it will get USB-C and will be called "Eon67". Mentioned here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2855923#msg2855923).
Here you can see the supported layouts:
(Attachment Link)
Have you thought about a 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 bottom row (like Koyu) support on the 65%? Dream layout, but there aren’t any decently priced ones on the market
:(
Have you seen the 65% PCB from Maarten (https://maartenwut.com/product/ta-65/)? It does support exactly that layout. Tsangan bottom row for 65%. For this GB he'll design a new 65% PCB, same layouts like his Ta-65 PCB, it will get USB-C and will be called "Eon67". Mentioned here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2855923#msg2855923).
Here you can see the supported layouts:
(Attachment Link)
The usual way, like it's done with most other custom cases.
Unified plate.
Here you can see two different prototypes, the lower one is newer and not jet surface treated:
(Attachment Link)
An updated design is already ordered, it will look like this:
(Attachment Link)
Any hope for Boardwalk support? I know it is being evaluated, really hoping for it. Thanks!
I LIKE BIG Bezels...
yeah, me too :)
I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)
That is INSANE. I would be so in for one.
Any hope for Boardwalk support? I know it is being evaluated, really hoping for it. Thanks!
Just wanted to ask Shensmobile if he's fine with it. He is absolutely fine with it, in fact he's planning another run of Boardwalk PCBs.
Yes, SKB2-60 Boardwalk is now confirmed.
I regularly update the start post ;)Opps.. My first time following an IC so closely so quite noobish about it.. Will check the first post next time! Sorry!
The usual way, like it's done with most other custom cases.
Unified plate.
Here you can see two different prototypes, the lower one is newer and not jet surface treated:
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An updated design is already ordered, it will look like this:
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Yes, I had written about the plates back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2857854#msg2857854). I'll report again when I get the new ones.
I know, it's a long thread, easy to miss a lot of stuff.
For those of you who only check back occasionally, the update section in the start post links to the important posts throughout the thread.
when is the next early bird? :p :p
I guess the relief cuts make less of a difference on these steel plates since they're so much stiffer by themselves already that even with there being only a little piece connecting the inner and outer regions of the plate it didn't significantly impact it.
Is structural integrity a bit concern?
I may not have looked hard enough but are there any pics of the bottom of the boards? Just curious as to where the bumpon/feet will be and how it'd sit on the desk.
from my understanding there will be no more early bird rounds, after three prototypes the next step will be the GB.
I guess the relief cuts make less of a difference on these steel plates since they're so much stiffer by themselves already that even with there being only a little piece connecting the inner and outer regions of the plate it didn't significantly impact it.
Look, here are two brass plates I have had done:
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Yes, I also have had brass plates made, just to get to know the difference. Same relief cuts. Although I have not jet made a complete build with it, I can tell that there is almost no noticeable different compared to the same plate in steel (I don't have it with the superlong and winded cut, that I can't compare atm). Brass feeling so much better is a totally overblown statement that many take much too serious. I bet that in a blind test of two boards that are built identical (same case, switches, caps) with the only difference being one has a brass the other one a steel plate, most would not be able to tell them apart. Some who make a lot of builds may be able to.
IMO the difference between brass and steel is negligible. Though to be fair and like I have mentioned, I haven't done a complete build with the brass plate jet, so there is still a possibility my opinion on this might shift a bit, but I doubt it would be much.
Apart from feel, what I personally don't like about having a brass plate in my keyboard is the fact that the golden shiny look makes me think of a rapper showing me his gold teeth. That gold bling bling looks terrible to me. I know, it is possible to bead blast the brass plate so it will loose the reflectivity and then further give it a black coating. But that is quite pricy and the small difference in feel would not justify that imo, not for a custom that aims to be more affordable. For a very high end custom, yes, sure, every bit of improvement, even if it is just small, is justified.Is structural integrity a bit concern?
NO, it is not a concern. Not at all. If it would be, I would make changes. This thing is brutal.
Just look a chart that compares the density or weight of metals. Compare alu to steel. Oh, and when you look at that chart, please also compare steel to brass ;)
Before the GB starts, will send the protos to reviewers who can give their opinion about the board, so you don't need to rely on my word.
I totally appreciate your questions, they are totally reasonable to ask and should be ask. Thanks.
Have you done that kind of blind testing for aluminum vs brass/steel?
The other case that I saw using this similar style of relief cuts on the plate (the community seems to refer to it as leaf spring) was the thermal. That board used aluminum in its plates. I don't know if that decision was for the reasons you described but I wouldn't be surprised. The stiffer the base material the less important having the bridge that connects the inner/outer pieces of the plate be thin is. Hope that makes sense!
This project is fantastic, but I'm not sure that I'll join it for a simple reason, I hate bezels.You're describing pretty unhealthy typing posture. Your palm shouldn't really be below the height of the keys when typing. Instead of searching for keyboards that accomodate your posture, you could try changing your posture a bit. Ideally there's a relatively straight line from your arm to your hand. In addition to more healthy wrists, you also get the advantage of being able to use big bezel bad boy boards like this one.
Right now I'm using a bezel-less gmmk keyboard, and it's such a joy to use when compared to a keyboard with a bezel, like the g80-3000. With that keyboard, my left-palm constantly touches the border, and when you rest your hands that border becomes really annoying. I wonder if the skb2 has the same problem of a g80. Judging by the dimensions it has. Correct me if I'm wrong! thanks
This project is fantastic, but I'm not sure that I'll join it for a simple reason, I hate bezels.You're describing pretty unhealthy typing posture. Your palm shouldn't really be below the height of the keys when typing. Instead of searching for keyboards that accomodate your posture, you could try changing your posture a bit. Ideally there's a relatively straight line from your arm to your hand. In addition to more healthy wrists, you also get the advantage of being able to use big bezel bad boy boards like this one.
Right now I'm using a bezel-less gmmk keyboard, and it's such a joy to use when compared to a keyboard with a bezel, like the g80-3000. With that keyboard, my left-palm constantly touches the border, and when you rest your hands that border becomes really annoying. I wonder if the skb2 has the same problem of a g80. Judging by the dimensions it has. Correct me if I'm wrong! thanks
Maybe I understood you incorrectly :/ But if a bezel is getting in the way, you can't really have anything close to a straight line from your elbow to your fingers, no? You must significantly bend your wrist?My posture isn't unhealthy at all. When I don't type I rest my hand on the desk, like you rest your hands on the desk when you study or when you write, or when you don't use the mouse. And when I start to type, the bezel gets always in the way even if I keep my hands aligned with my elbow. So, no. I'm doing nothing wrong. Probably the solution is a bigger bezel. Like a 5 ÷ 10 cm bezel. Or no bezel :pThis project is fantastic, but I'm not sure that I'll join it for a simple reason, I hate bezels.You're describing pretty unhealthy typing posture. Your palm shouldn't really be below the height of the keys when typing. Instead of searching for keyboards that accomodate your posture, you could try changing your posture a bit. Ideally there's a relatively straight line from your arm to your hand. In addition to more healthy wrists, you also get the advantage of being able to use big bezel bad boy boards like this one.
Right now I'm using a bezel-less gmmk keyboard, and it's such a joy to use when compared to a keyboard with a bezel, like the g80-3000. With that keyboard, my left-palm constantly touches the border, and when you rest your hands that border becomes really annoying. I wonder if the skb2 has the same problem of a g80. Judging by the dimensions it has. Correct me if I'm wrong! thanks
I may not have looked hard enough but are there any pics of the bottom of the boards? Just curious as to where the bumpon/feet will be and how it'd sit on the desk.
Can we have a typing video? I want to know how it sounds like :D
Would you be able to use something like a ISO HS60 v3 with this case/plate combo?
This project is fantastic, but I'm not sure that I'll join it for a simple reason, I hate bezels.You're describing pretty unhealthy typing posture. Your palm shouldn't really be below the height of the keys when typing. Instead of searching for keyboards that accomodate your posture, you could try changing your posture a bit. Ideally there's a relatively straight line from your arm to your hand. In addition to more healthy wrists, you also get the advantage of being able to use big bezel bad boy boards like this one.
Right now I'm using a bezel-less gmmk keyboard, and it's such a joy to use when compared to a keyboard with a bezel, like the g80-3000. With that keyboard, my left-palm constantly touches the border, and when you rest your hands that border becomes really annoying. I wonder if the skb2 has the same problem of a g80. Judging by the dimensions it has. Correct me if I'm wrong! thanks
My posture isn't unhealthy at all. When I don't type I rest my hand on the desk, like you rest your hands on the desk when you study or when you write, or when you don't use the mouse. And when I start to type, the bezel gets always in the way even if I keep my hands aligned with my elbow. So, no. I'm doing nothing wrong. Probably the solution is a bigger bezel. Like a 5 ÷ 10 cm bezel. Or no bezel :p
Do you have any estimate on new protos? And will PCB manufacturing process be affected by situation in China?Read the first post. "still made in Germany but different manufacturer"
Do you have any estimate on new protos? And will PCB manufacturing process be affected by situation in China?Read the first post. "still made in Germany but different manufacturer"
Do you have any estimate on new protos?
Any updates on the 1800-but-not-really layout? 96key? Like the design a lot, might be in for the 75% if the 1800/96/whatever it is gets made
will PCB manufacturing process be affected by situation in China?
Any updates on the 1800-but-not-really layout? 96key? Like the design a lot, might be in for the 75% if the 1800/96/whatever it is gets made
Yes, so there is a 75% (~82key) and 1800-ish (~98key) PCB in development but it will take a bit too long to be ready for the GB. They will be offered in a separate, later round. Too early for details now.
Can we have a typing video? I want to know how it sounds like :D
Me uploading a typing video does not make a lot of sense, imo. I only have a phone to record and for that I don't even have a good stand. As I had mentioned before, I'll send out boards to review, that will be a good opportunity for a typing test.
Anyway, I made one. Cheap Gateron black switches, lubed:
Looking great :thumb:+1!
@plastik
How deep is the black compared to the regular bead blasted R1 would you say?
@plastik
How deep is the black compared to the regular bead blasted R1 would you say?
Although the I named this case SKB2, this GB should not be understood as second round. SKB2 keeps a few prominent design elements that were present in SKB1 but apart from that too much has changed to call it a "round 2".
The black of the SKB1 is something very different from the SKB2 black. SKB1 was made of aluminum, SKB2 is steel. SKB1 was anodized, SKB2 is powder coated. Black from anodizing can vary a lot, sometimes deeper sometimes not so deep. The prototype SKB1s all had a relatively deep black anodization. Sadly the production SKB1s anodizing turned out to be not that deep of a black.
A RAL color does not vary, you always get the same. All RAL colors also have a name, the name of RAL9005 is "Tiefschwarz", that translates to "deep black". It is the deepes black from the standard RAL colors. You can get the associated RGB values here (https://rgb.to/ral/9005). I think it is a really good match for GMK-CR, which we know as base color for common wob sets.
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!do you have those keycaps already? I don't but I'm thinking about ordering them for my SKB2 as well, but it's a bit hard to judge if the caps look beige, or more like a cold grey. wondering if those would look good with a beige SKB2. what do you think?
Ya I do. I got the 65% kit currently available on Drop, the one intended as a replacement for Drop's Alt kb. The alpha keys are somewhat beige. Not super yellow like a lot of 80s plastics look today. More like how they looked when new.This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!do you have those keycaps already? I don't but I'm thinking about ordering them for my SKB2 as well, but it's a bit hard to judge if the caps look beige, or more like a cold grey. wondering if those would look good with a beige SKB2. what do you think?
Is there a rough estimate (I'd be fine basically any time estimate) for when the gb starts? Or is it pretty far away
Is there a rough estimate (I'd be fine basically any time estimate) for when the gb starts? Or is it pretty far away
The todo section in the start post shows what still needs to be done before the GroupBuy can start. You are right, there are no dates mentioned. So far I have tried not to be too specific regarding the timeline. I had hoped for the actual GB to start this month but looking at what still needs to be done, I don't think I can still get there this month. Regarding this is already the third prototype batch and even more plate prototypes, I think that it is progressing very well. I think mid to late march is realistic.
After so many pages, I'm somewhat lost, is a 60% boardwalk a solid option for the GB? (would be my first ergo, and would have to get a keycaps kit on one of the current GB). Anybody knows?Same here. Boardwalk will be my first Ergo. So I’m actually looking forward to SKB2. Still struggling to find any current GB that offers Cherry profile in GMK standard. Anybody knows of any? There are some KAT profiles and a KAM Wraith that might work.
Kam Wraith is a nice and safe option if you're into vintage computers and Ergo, but in Cherry profile I can see GMK Nord, GMK Taro, maybe GMK Future Funk (mixing orthos + space Kits?), GMK Bushido, even GMK Modern Dolch light could be OK with its obscure kit (but not 100% certain). Have a look here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139IWhxAuGHyLtapmzzbVygnP-sgnz0ihLjRQtX5dSKg/htmlview#gid=1446636608)After so many pages, I'm somewhat lost, is a 60% boardwalk a solid option for the GB? (would be my first ergo, and would have to get a keycaps kit on one of the current GB). Anybody knows?Same here. Boardwalk will be my first Ergo. So I’m actually looking forward to SKB2. Still struggling to find any current GB that offers Cherry profile in GMK standard. Anybody knows of any? There are some KAT profiles and a KAM Wraith that might work.
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After so many pages, I'm somewhat lost, is a 60% boardwalk a solid option for the GB? (would be my first ergo, and would have to get a keycaps kit on one of the current GB). Anybody knows?Same here. Boardwalk will be my first Ergo. So I’m actually looking forward to SKB2. Still struggling to find any current GB that offers Cherry profile in GMK standard. Anybody knows of any? There are some KAT profiles and a KAM Wraith that might work.
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wanna know how much it will be :p :p
Definitely interested. I guess you can offer a 40% case for less than $100?
Definitely interested. I guess you can offer a 40% case for less than $100?
Uff, I might be able to offer a 40% for around the 100€ mark, maybe a tiny bit less, but I don't think I'll be able to do less that 100$. Quite a lot have filled out the IC form. This number would allow for such a price on the 40%, but I don't think it would be a good idea to rely on that number. I'll have to wait for updated quotes. Getting it produced for super cheap in Germany isn't really possible.
Really difficult to say how much I should trust the IC form numbers.
Maybe also a 40Ortho?Wow this is crazy
Maarten also has the Eon40 - a 40% ortholinear PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/). Thinking about offering a version for this as well. 40% is really small, the bezels would have to be smaller in comparison to the bigger sizes. Otherwise is would look unbalanced, imo. This is what a SKB2-40 with adapted bezel size would look like:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png)
Not sure if there is enough interest for a 40-ortho, what are your thoughts?
I see , no problem :) I guess I overestimated the materials portion of the total cost. Will get one anyway if you will offer it!Definitely interested. I guess you can offer a 40% case for less than $100?
Uff, I might be able to offer a 40% for around the 100€ mark, maybe a tiny bit less, but I don't think I'll be able to do less that 100$. Quite a lot have filled out the IC form. This number would allow for such a price on the 40%, but I don't think it would be a good idea to rely on that number. I'll have to wait for updated quotes. Getting it produced for super cheap in Germany isn't really possible.
Really difficult to say how much I should trust the IC form numbers.
How about a southpaw version? ;D
Will the SKB2-60 or SKB-2 65 support pcbs like Tada68 or DZ65?
Maybe also a 40Ortho?INTERESTED
Maarten also has the Eon40 - a 40% ortholinear PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/). Thinking about offering a version for this as well. 40% is really small, the bezels would have to be smaller in comparison to the bigger sizes. Otherwise is would look unbalanced, imo. This is what a SKB2-40 with adapted bezel size would look like:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png)
Not sure if there is enough interest for a 40-ortho, what are your thoughts?
Maybe also a 40Ortho?
Maarten also has the Eon40 - a 40% ortholinear PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/). Thinking about offering a version for this as well. 40% is really small, the bezels would have to be smaller in comparison to the bigger sizes. Otherwise is would look unbalanced, imo. This is what a SKB2-40 with adapted bezel size would look like:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png)
Not sure if there is enough interest for a 40-ortho, what are your thoughts?
Maybe also a 40Ortho?
Maarten also has the Eon40 - a 40% ortholinear PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/). Thinking about offering a version for this as well. 40% is really small, the bezels would have to be smaller in comparison to the bigger sizes. Otherwise is would look unbalanced, imo. This is what a SKB2-40 with adapted bezel size would look like:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png)
Not sure if there is enough interest for a 40-ortho, what are your thoughts?
I am definitely going to be getting one of these once it goes into GB. Such a nice board.
I am definitely going to be getting one of these once it goes into GB. Such a nice board.
My only doubt here is whether to get one WK TKL and one WKL, or go WKL with both. :D
I am definitely going to be getting one of these once it goes into GB. Such a nice board.
My only doubt here is whether to get one WK TKL and one WKL, or go WKL with both. :D
Get four just to be sure.
I have the cases from the 3rd batch since quite a while already. What is still missing are the latest plates. The company that does the nickel and zink treatment is a bit slower. Though they are done since last week but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.
That black, RAL9005 60% wob build (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661) is from the 3rd batch. Used a plate from the 2nd batch. This 3rd batch now includes 60%, 65% and TKL sizes in balck/RAL9005, beige/RAL1013 and yellow/RAL1023. All look very good imo. More stainless steel as well. Also waiting for some keycap sets to arrive, need something that fits yellow. Soon I have all ingredients necessary to show more from the 3rd batch.
I have the cases from the 3rd batch since quite a while already. What is still missing are the latest plates. The company that does the nickel and zink treatment is a bit slower. Though they are done since last week but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.
That black, RAL9005 60% wob build (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661) is from the 3rd batch. Used a plate from the 2nd batch. This 3rd batch now includes 60%, 65% and TKL sizes in balck/RAL9005, beige/RAL1013 and yellow/RAL1023. All look very good imo. More stainless steel as well. Also waiting for some keycap sets to arrive, need something that fits yellow. Soon I have all ingredients necessary to show more from the 3rd batch.
Though they are done since last week but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona.
Hoping to see 1800 or full size or 96... But think fairly unlikely :(
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Hope you feel better soon!I’ve ordered Boardwalk PCBs from MKUktra but it seems shipment has stalled. No response from vendor also. So I would suggest ordering with hesitation.
Will you offer Boardwalk PCBs/plates during the GB, and if so, will the plate support all layouts? I see your message that MKULTRA will run Boardwalk PCBs separately, should we just try to order from them whenever (like before this GB starts) or do you recommend we wait until this GB?
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!
Uuuuh... now this is something I hadn't thought of. :thumb:
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!
Uuuuh... now this is something I hadn't thought of. :thumb:
Can't claim it as my original idea ;D. This was my inspiration:Show Image(https://keyboardcollective.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/651-Keyboard-dev-tty.jpg)
Would b great if u can do alice, i love the lay out.There is Lisa (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104820.0;topicseen) coming up pretty soon.
but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.should we start to worry? Gute Besserung - hope everything is fine again
Hi Plastikschnittstelle, will the Boardwalk plate in version one fit the SKB2? In fact will SKB-01 plates fit the new SKB-02 in general?
but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.should we start to worry? Gute Besserung - hope everything is fine again
There is Lisa (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104820.0;topicseen) coming up pretty soon.Interesting how it eliminates the corner gaps as compared to SKB2. Perhaps @PlastikSchnittstelle can comment?
There is Lisa (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104820.0;topicseen) coming up pretty soon.Interesting how it eliminates the corner gaps as compared to SKB2. Perhaps @PlastikSchnittstelle can comment?
There are no protos pictured, only renders, so yeah, gaps are eliminated. The only way I see it can be done is making front and rear walls on the top sheet and side walls on the bottom sheet.
What kind of waiting time are we looking at for the group buy @Plastikschnittstelle
The last three weeks, work on this project was completely on hold because first I catched a flue, after that I had to do other stuff. I'm back into it now and planning to start the GB at the end of this month. Next up is still taking good photos. I'm waiting for some caps to arrive. They will fit the yellow case very well. Currently more renderings are in the works and I'm making preparations that should set the stage for a smooth GB operation.So what kind of layouts we're going to have during GB, if you can share info about it right now, of course.
So what kind of layouts we're going to have during GB, if you can share info about it right now, of course.
This is what the 95% size will look like:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)
The PCB has support for one more key there, look:
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I just felt like it isn't needed there. But I could make a poll to decide whether or not this fifth key in the right upper group should be present. That key can be whatever you want it to be, F13 or else.
The F cluster will be kept the traditional way, meaning three groups of four keys each.
Update, 75 and 95 will make it into the GB:Okay
While I was set back, Maarten has finished the development of the 75% and 95% PCBs. That means they will not be done in a later round like I had announced before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2862267#msg2862267). All sizes will be available at once!
Two different case versions for 75%. Half right key column (V1) and full right key column (V2). Half right column offers better compatibility with OG cherry keysets and the free space right to the enter key is nice, I think.
Here are the two 75% versions (both set to a 12 degree angle):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xp2yeAM.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hEQiHYZ.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xiNtbkM.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vFmlJlb.png)
This is what the 95% size will look like (set to an 8 degree angle):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)
The renderings show the cherry profile how it was originally designed, with R5 as bottom row and R0 as top/f-row.
I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)
All together these sizes/versions will be offered (80 is TKL):Am mostly interested in 75. Glad it made it and in different variants too! Cheers!
- 40
- 60 STD, WKL, HHKB, YAS, Boardwalk
- 65 STD, Blocker-A, Blocker-AB
- 75 V1, V2
- 80 STD, WKL
- 95
PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
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@PlastikSchnittstelle Honestly was looking at the 95/75 options. Was thinking of using my AEK keycaps on this.Yeah I understand. You are already making a boatload of layouts. Will you provide PCB/plate files after the groupbuy? I might be able to buy one and design/build my own PCB and plate.
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PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
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Ah, that's a shame. Option #1 might not be bad, since it matches the spacing of the top-right corner of the 75%.
PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
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Ah, that's a shame. Option #1 might not be bad, since it matches the spacing of the top-right corner of the 75%.
Here's what I mean:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/d6qnvED.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zm2bgF6.png)
Here's a possibly daft question: How are Boardwalk PCBs being done? Haven't seen any around at EU resellers for a while.
Here's a possibly daft question: How are Boardwalk PCBs being done? Haven't seen any around at EU resellers for a while.
Shensmobile told me they will be offered via MKUltra, mentioned here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2868594#msg2868594). Not sure if he plans to offer them via a EU proxy as well.
Update, 75 and 95 will make it into the GB:
While I was set back, Maarten has finished the development of the 75% and 95% PCBs. That means they will not be done in a later round like I had announced before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2862267#msg2862267). All sizes will be available at once!
Two different case versions for 75%. Half right key column (V1) and full right key column (V2). Half right column offers better compatibility with OG cherry keysets and the free space right to the enter key is nice, I think.
Here are the two 75% versions (both set to a 12 degree angle):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xp2yeAM.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hEQiHYZ.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xiNtbkM.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vFmlJlb.png)
This is what the 95% size will look like (set to an 8 degree angle):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)
The renderings show the cherry profile how it was originally designed, with R5 as bottom row and R0 as top/f-row.
I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)
Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.
PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
The PCB has support for one more key there, look:
(Attachment Link)
I just felt like it isn't needed there. But I could make a poll to decide whether or not this fifth key in the right upper group should be present. That key can be whatever you want it to be, F13 or else.
The F cluster will be kept the traditional way, meaning three groups of four keys each.
I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/g4PGUEE.png)
I think it's more convenient primarily because it lets you put Delete above Backspace (an intuitive and common setup on smaller boards), while letting you keep Home, End, PgUp, PgDn above the numpad (the most setup for those keys on CP/1800).
[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.0][img]https://i.imgur.com/x2ZlmBY.png[/img][/url]
Sure,
75V1 and V2 share the same plate and PCB of course.
The plate will support these layouts:
(Attachment Link)
Love itUpdate, 75 and 95 will make it into the GB:
While I was set back, Maarten has finished the development of the 75% and 95% PCBs. That means they will not be done in a later round like I had announced before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2862267#msg2862267). All sizes will be available at once!
Two different case versions for 75%. Half right key column (V1) and full right key column (V2). Half right column offers better compatibility with OG cherry keysets and the free space right to the enter key is nice, I think.
Here are the two 75% versions (both set to a 12 degree angle):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xp2yeAM.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hEQiHYZ.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xiNtbkM.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vFmlJlb.png)
This is what the 95% size will look like (set to an 8 degree angle):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)
The renderings show the cherry profile how it was originally designed, with R5 as bottom row and R0 as top/f-row.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :-*I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)
Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.
PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]
Plastik, this is so dope news! :p both the 75% and now a 1800 compact in on the gb now! <3
ALL my votes goes to layout nr2, having the extra key on layout nr1 looks pretty weird imo,
if you added a breakout for powering rgb leds or just 2 pin leds around the NCS area we could help our self later on with some additional holes for just something regular like this
[attach=1]
Edit.
Something like this would be cool, then it wouldn't hurt with or without indicators, just a quick mockup to get a idea, would be cool imo :)
[attach=2]
Sure,
75V1 and V2 share the same plate and PCB of course.
The plate will support these layouts:
(Attachment Link)
Plastik, this is so dope news! :p both the 75% and now a 1800 compact in on the gb now! <3
ALL my votes goes to layout nr2, having the extra key on layout nr1 looks pretty weird imo,
if you added a breakout for powering rgb leds or just 2 pin leds around the NCS area we could help our self later on with some additional holes for just something regular like this
(Attachment Link)
Edit.
Something like this would be cool, then it wouldn't hurt with or without indicators, just a quick mockup to get a idea, would be cool imo :)
(Attachment Link)
Sure,
75V1 and V2 share the same plate and PCB of course.
The plate will support these layouts:
(Attachment Link)
No split space bar?
I'm one or the early birds, thought I was going to get a 60% but the 95% looks great!! I'd prefer it with the extra key up top though. Really cool layout 😁It's more a case of rather not having to deal with the customs hassle that gets involved when buying directly from the US. It's a tad more convenient when I can snag it from a reseller. If there's no proxy, I'll just pick up a PCB and some foam from MKUltra when GB comes around
What's the supposed issue with the Boardwalk PCBs? I still have one unbuilt one.
Plastik, this is so dope news! :p both the 75% and now a 1800 compact in on the gb now! <3
ALL my votes goes to layout nr2, having the extra key on layout nr1 looks pretty weird imo,
if you added a breakout for powering rgb leds or just 2 pin leds around the NCS area we could help our self later on with some additional holes for just something regular like this
(Attachment Link)
Edit.
Something like this would be cool, then it wouldn't hurt with or without indicators, just a quick mockup to get a idea, would be cool imo :)
(Attachment Link)
yes, assuming it will be nr2, that free spot would be a familiar place for indicator leds. your cutout proposals are quite nice. the thing is that the pcb is already done and does not have leds there. even if, the nature of the case would make it difficult for pcb surface leds to clearly shine through the wholes. you would not be able to tell the three leds apart from each other. you would need some kind of guide chanel, or mount the leds directly on the inside of the case behind the small cutout position. there are probably many more ways to do it, but the point is that I think these indicator leds shouldn't be added as an afterthought. if so, it should be consider in the beginning of the design process. the way it is now is clean and simple. it should stay that way. some keys have through hole led support, there it is possible to use windowed caps.
Sizes & versions
Various sizes and versions will be available. Some are already sure, more will probably be added later (please let me know what you'd like to see).
So far:PCBs
- 40% Ortholinear
- 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62, Boardwalk (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859408#msg2859408)
- 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker & 2U right column blocker
- 75% (not KBD75-style instead a new custom design, SKB2-75 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786))
- TKL Standard, WKL
- not 1800 but something similar: SKB2-95 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786)
You will have the option to add PCBs designed by Maartenwut (all USB-C):
- SKB2-40: Eon40 (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/)
- SKB2-60: Plain60-C (https://github.com/Maartenwut/plain60-c)
- SKB2-65:
TA65Eon65- SKB2-75: Eon75
- SKB2-TKL: Eon87
- SKB2-95: Eon95
Does the case support other boards?Other PCBs? Sure, since the case is a top mount construction and is quite roomy inside, you don't need to worry about compatibillity. You only need to make sure that the USB plug is at the correct spot.
I tot of opting for a 67 layout which I think is shown on the renders but doesn't see to have a board..Initially we planned to offer Maartens' TA65 PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/ta-65-rev2/) for the SKB2-65. But since it has USB-Mini but all other of the offered PCBs have USB-C, we dicided that 65% should get USB-C as well. He developed the "Eon65" which (I had called it Eon67 earlier (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2855923#msg2855923)).
I'm so hyped for this. I can't wait ;D
I'm so hyped for this. I can't wait ;D
Same! What's left to do PlastikSchnittstelle?
Have we already decided which RAL code to use for beige. Did I miss the poll?
I just wanted to mention that RAL9002 looks better than RAL9001, and closer to, say, the beige on my IBM Model Ms.
Didn't have any poll I guess... Plastic is deciding on the colors now I guess
No worries. All completely understandable and thanks for the detailed explanations. Nobody is pissed off, just excited 👍🏻+1!
About the plates
You know from the pictures in the start post that the plates have relief cuts around the mounting points. I tried different sizes, they all had much less of an impact that I was expecting. Since the case has big bezels, I thought why not use the room you have, so I tried the maximum amount of relief cuts. It's basically a thin strip that winds as much as possible in the available space. Want to show you what I got (obviously hasn't been surface treated jet):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/swpavSA.mp4)(I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)
link to the video (https://imgur.com/swpavSA)
Here you can also see one of the grommets getting seated:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6Lg8wjP.mp4)(I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)
link to the video (https://imgur.com/6Lg8wjP)
Now before you all scream "I-WANT-THAT", please read my thoughts about this:
I have put the plate into a case and put switched and caps on. It's not a complete build but I can tell that when typing you won't be able to tell this plate with super long and winding relief cuts apart from one without them. If you press down on all keys with both hands then you do feel is, the plate can be pressed down. But in terms of typing - there is no effect for me noticeable.
Isolating the plate from the case via the grommet is much more noticeable compared to going metal on metal with the mounting. Maybe using grommets has a lesser effect in CNC milled cases but for my type of case, the isolation mounting has a big and satisfactory impact.
Not only is the impact of the winding relief cut hardly noticeable, it also brings problems in terms of manufacturing, transportation and handling. The thin strips are quite fragile and I fear if I would have a lot produced like that, quite a few might end up broken.
So even if this looks like something you might want to have in your plate, I have to say that this kind of cut is in my opinion neither a noticeable nor a feasible solution.
I will do relief cuts but not like this.
Are You gonna release the plate files so i can get a brass plate?
Sizes & versions
Various sizes and versions will be available. Some are already sure, more will probably be added later (please let me know what you'd like to see).
So far:
- 40% Ortholinear
- 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62, Boardwalk (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859408#msg2859408)
- 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker & 2U right column blocker
- 75% (not KBD75-style instead a new custom design, SKB2-75 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786))
- TKL Standard, WKL
- not 1800 but something similar: SKB2-95 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786)
Here you can see all the sizes and versions that will be available:Does the 95 come with only with that cutout for the f13-f16 keys?
(Attachment Link)
Btw, it's also mentioned in the start post ;)Sizes & versions
Various sizes and versions will be available. Some are already sure, more will probably be added later (please let me know what you'd like to see).
So far:
- 40% Ortholinear
- 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62, Boardwalk (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859408#msg2859408)
- 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker & 2U right column blocker
- 75% (not KBD75-style instead a new custom design, SKB2-75 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786))
- TKL Standard, WKL
- not 1800 but something similar: SKB2-95 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786)
Does the 95 come with only with that cutout for the f13-f16 keys?
Here you can see all the sizes and versions that will be available:
(Attachment Link)
Btw, it's also mentioned in the start post ;)Sizes & versions
Various sizes and versions will be available. Some are already sure, more will probably be added later (please let me know what you'd like to see).
So far:
- 40% Ortholinear
- 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62, Boardwalk (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859408#msg2859408)
- 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker & 2U right column blocker
- 75% (not KBD75-style instead a new custom design, SKB2-75 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786))
- TKL Standard, WKL
- not 1800 but something similar: SKB2-95 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786)
3rd and last early bird roundWill it be the same 110€ as in the previous round?
As you know 40%, 75% and 95% have recently been added. Before production I want to make sure everything is fine, so I'll need a prototype of each size. That's why I'll do a last funding round. I'll reopen the early bird form, which is linked in the start post, later today.
(will be the 4rth prototype batch)
Can i be early bird on this round even If i don't want those versions you metioned? (I want 65% not 40%, 75% and 95%)
Hope I don't miss it opening. Any idea on what time you'll open it?
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Did all the early bird slots fill up?
Hope I don't miss it opening. Any idea on what time you'll open it?
Early bird form is open againHow long after you recieve this round of protos do you think it will be until the gb starts?
As mentioned earlier (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2876482#msg2876482), I have now reopened the early bird form.
This is the 3rd funding round for the 4rth and last prototype batch.
GMK Honey?
GMK Honey?
Lux?
Q: Colemak, Ergodox, Norde?
A: No.
GMK Honey?
Lux?
GMK Honey?
Looks good but no Norde kit, should have mentioned that... Plus I was thinking of something away from the yellow-on-yellow-colorway, some complementary colours maybe?
Hey PlastikSchnittstelle,
i just stumbled upon this Thread and had to register because of it.
I'd love to enter the GB once it goes live, but i have two questions. Sorry if those have been answered before, i couldn't find them. :)
I'd prefer a full normal (ISO 105) Keyboard, looks like the "95" version is the closest thing. But: Does that version (meaning PCB and plate) support the full normal ISO layout including the two-row Enter key and 11 instead of 10 buttons in the lowest alpha row? I'm using ISO-DE and really need that pipe/angle bracket key.
Can't tell about the Enter key from your pictures and it looks like there are only 10 keys in the bottom row?
Thanks and best wishes from Munich! :)
Hey PlastikSchnittstelle,
i just stumbled upon this Thread and had to register because of it.
I'd love to enter the GB once it goes live, but i have two questions. Sorry if those have been answered before, i couldn't find them. :)
I'd prefer a full normal (ISO 105) Keyboard, looks like the "95" version is the closest thing. But: Does that version (meaning PCB and plate) support the full normal ISO layout including the two-row Enter key and 11 instead of 10 buttons in the lowest alpha row? I'm using ISO-DE and really need that pipe/angle bracket key.
Can't tell about the Enter key from your pictures and it looks like there are only 10 keys in the bottom row?
Thanks and best wishes from Munich! :)
[...] Just a yellow accent makes a nice combo. Metropolis for example and the upcoming Nautilus R2.
Have invoices for the early bird gone out yet?
No, prices have not been set jet. Too many variables. I only said once that it will probably be a slight bit cheaper than SKB1 was.
No, prices have not been set jet. Too many variables. I only said once that it will probably be a slight bit cheaper than SKB1 was.
Speaking of variables, any word on if you'll be able/willing to provide alternative materials for the plate from the get-go rather than just sharing files, an idea you brought up a couple weeks (or months) ago?
are any of the pcbs hotswap?
Btw.: What would you say about how high the chance of a future full version of this case (ISO 105 compatible plus a pcb that fits it) is? I'd really prefer that over even the 95 version. But of course i also understand that most people seem to prefer the smaller versions and you need a certain amount of cases per model to make it affordable.
Cool to see the 95% confirmed. Still, not enough demand for a separate numpad? :(
On a side note, what's that keycap set on the first 75% in the banner (that one with the yellow accents)? Perhaps GMK Lunar?
I've tried asking in Marteen discord, but will the eon series pcbs have via?
hehe, no, black nuts is the only option and always included.Haha I means buy another set
hehe, no, black nuts is the only option and always included.Haha I means buy another set
I would like to staining the nuts,But I don't know is it working or not lolhehe, no, black nuts is the only option and always included.Haha I means buy another set
haha, I'll make sure to include enough spares.
There is also only 1 plate option too right?
There is also only 1 plate option too right?
You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.
If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatement
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatement
I would like to staining the nuts,But I don't know is it working or not lolhehe, no, black nuts is the only option and always included.Haha I means buy another set
haha, I'll make sure to include enough spares.
There is also only 1 plate option too right?
You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.
If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatement
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatement
Yeh material, would love B or C, would probably even get both tbh
I see... well probably would prefer C to keep the all black theme that Im thinking ofThere is also only 1 plate option too right?
You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.
If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatement
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatement
Yeh material, would love B or C, would probably even get both tbh
If brass will happen then only ONE option will be available
A or B or C
I see... well probably would prefer C to keep the all black theme that Im thinking ofThere is also only 1 plate option too right?
You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.
If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatement
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatement
Yeh material, would love B or C, would probably even get both tbh
If brass will happen then only ONE option will be available
A or B or C
There is also only 1 plate option too right?
You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.
If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatment
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatment
Not off the table, I'm still looking into that.
Not off the table, I'm still looking into that.
Great to hear. Regarding material, I'm personally not a big fan of brass - I prefer soft plates, so POM or polycarb would be super nice to see (maybe even half rather than full, don't wanna push my luck though).
Not off the table, I'm still looking into that.
Great to hear. Regarding material, I'm personally not a big fan of brass - I prefer soft plates, so POM or polycarb would be super nice to see (maybe even half rather than full, don't wanna push my luck though).
Guys, the best option for a subtle "flex" uniform typing feel across the board is of course carbon fiber :p + 2
I am not sure pom or pc would work well for the larger sizes SKB2's, but i am no expert
Carbon fibre is good too. It's similar to aluminium in my experience but I like it a little bit more.
I like pom/pc/etc on larger boards too, I think it works fine - I have TKLs with POM and nylon plates in them and I love it, but yea, preference.
I will set up a discord once the gb goes live, about two weeks from now.
mentioned in the todo section ;)
Will YAS PCBs be available during the GB again?
Do you know if mill max sockets like 0305 would fit the case?
Edit: Wondering if I should get an extra PCB to have one hotswap and one not :)
Do you know if mill max sockets like 0305 would fit the case?
Edit: Wondering if I should get an extra PCB to have one hotswap and one not :)
Yes, they fit. I have built one of the 60% prototypes with the "DZ60RGB V2 Hot Swap PCB" inside, there is enough clearance.
Do you know if mill max sockets like 0305 would fit the case?
Edit: Wondering if I should get an extra PCB to have one hotswap and one not :)
Yes, they fit. I have built one of the 60% prototypes with the "DZ60RGB V2 Hot Swap PCB" inside, there is enough clearance.
Oh, I see... if it can have kailh sockets it for sure can have mill max :)
Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.Yea, I’ll be completely honest, I just paid the invoice without knowing what I was getting. I’m just happy to be here.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.Yea, I’ll be completely honest, I just paid the invoice without knowing what I was getting. I’m just happy to be here.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
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Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
Case and plate. PCB will have to be added.
Nickel coated stainless will be one of the options?
Was actually deciding between nickel coated stainless and bead blasted stainless... Happy to get either... :) hope it is under 200 eurs with shipping and tax
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Nickel coated stainless will be one of the options?
Was actually deciding between nickel coated stainless and bead blasted stainless... Happy to get either... :) hope it is under 200 eurs with shipping and tax
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You should definitely be good at under 200€, Plastik is in Germany so if you're in EU (which you probably are since you used euros) shipping will be reasonable and there'll be no additional VAT.
I think only the biggest version will land over 200€ - but that will be including PCB and shipping.
Bigger PCBs will of course be more expensive than smaller ones.
The 95% without PCB and shipping will be roughly 150€.
The 40% will be a little under 100€, the rest will fall inbetween.
Really liking the look of this board, but I have just one question.
Is it be possible to use a different PCB for the 65%? to add Hotswap for instance.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm fairly new to the custom keyboard scene.
Really liking the look of this board, but I have just one question.
Is it be possible to use a different PCB for the 65%? to add Hotswap for instance.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm fairly new to the custom keyboard scene.
I think you can, just make sure the usb port is in the right place (although Plastik could confirm).
Also, you can use millmax sockets to get hotswap in the regular board
BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.
BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.
Which color would match it better then :)BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.
For what it's worth, I think black will match Taro the least. :)
Really liking the look of this board, but I have just one question.
Is it be possible to use a different PCB for the 65%? to add Hotswap for instance.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm fairly new to the custom keyboard scene.
I think you can, just make sure the usb port is in the right place (although Plastik could confirm).
Also, you can use millmax sockets to get hotswap in the regular board
BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.
First Picture
Some of the pictures (photos) are ready! Just a few, more will be done tomorrow.
Here is just one:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/02U9amR.jpg)
First Picture
Some of the pictures (photos) are ready! Just a few, more will be done tomorrow.
Here is just one:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/02U9amR.jpg)
Oof this is super nice! What keyset is this? Can't wait for the photos :D
Which color would match it better then :)BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.
For what it's worth, I think black will match Taro the least. :)
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Oh man this looks awesome, any idea what the pricing may look like?Check reply #825
Oh man this looks awesome, any idea what the pricing may look like?Check reply #825
Don't know if one was posted already, but is there a sound test? Or planning to have a sound test?
Do I have to get an own Boardwalk PCB and Plate or will you offer this with the GB?
Okay, dumb question here: will we be able to order a specific form factor (say, TKL) and then ask for customized plates all in one go? (a clumsy git like me would really benefit from having the physical layout ready-made in the plate, so I won't end up soldering in the switches for the split spaces in the wrong order during the build, like... er... a friend... did).
Can we also order extra sets of nuts and bolts? I mean, if we can order extra plates and PCBs...
Looking forward to the GB!
By any chance, do you offer any foam or anything ahahah
Omg, that's gorgeous. To bad those GMK Sets don't come in ISO-DE, i would have had to order two cases otherwise..
nautilus 2 will have an international kit, and with the hype for it there might be a good chance for ISO-DE to be possible.Damn it... RIP my wallet.
Here is Nautilus (Round 2 will start soon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104475.0))
SKB2 & GMK Nautilus
You asked for Nautilus. I asked Zambumon for permission. Green light. Here is Nautilus (Round 2 will start soon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104475.0)) with the SKB2-75. Hope you like it.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/pgVpCA5.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8BNTAY7.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/C7rftUe.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sPpikul.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0sQCO72.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ESnPVn6.jpg)
Some more photos
Sorry, I know, photos are still not done jet. But he sent me a few already. Let me show you.
The TKL (SKB2-80) is at the highest 12 degree angle and is dressed with GMK Carbon R2 (Bone base set) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97972.0). Yes that's with R0 and R5!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fPEfJwy.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6YWpRGi.jpg)
The black 60%, I had shown you before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661). It's set to the lowest 6 degree angle. Simple WoB set.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QBvruRN.jpg)
Another 60% in yellow and dressed with GMK Serika, already teased earlier (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2879428#msg2879428). I think it's set to 10 degree typing angle, not sure.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kTFHx60.jpg)
The 65% stainless steel version, without the nickel treatment, only bead blasted. EPBT caps on. 8 degree typing angle, I think. I'm leaning more towards this bare stainless steel version, not the nickel treated.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WFW1059.jpg)
I'll have a lot more on monday. Then with comparison of the three beige colors. Also bare stainless steel vs nickle stainless steel.
Then, please wach out for the google form in which we will vote on beige and stainless steel versions.
Almost there.
No no no. Stop it my poor heart can't take this. It's so pretty, not only am I waiting for the GB now I'm even considering more keycaps...
No, that is also powder coated. RAL7039, Feinstruktur.
Will we also get to vote on 4 or 5 keys in the top right of the 95% version in that poll?
In the photos, it looks like the yellow has a much more textured matte finish than the black and the dolch grey. Is this just the photo?
Also the black looks like it has a bit of metal flake sort of like this (https://www.paintwithpearl.com/wp-content/uploads/CanAmCorvette011-e1438200751793.jpg). I'm guessing that's just some dust?
In the photos, it looks like the yellow has a much more textured matte finish than the black and the dolch grey. Is this just the photo?
Also the black looks like it has a bit of metal flake sort of like this (https://www.paintwithpearl.com/wp-content/uploads/CanAmCorvette011-e1438200751793.jpg). I'm guessing that's just some dust?
Black and yellow have the same "Feinstruktur" texture. The different look is due to the light angle. It's just the photo.
Regarding grey/dolch,Moreyeah you got that right. The grey/dolch is also "Feinstruktur" but it turns out different compared to black and yellow, indeed. The reason for that is simple. That grey/dolch one is from the second prototype batch and I had too many stainless steel versions made but then wanted more to get powder coated. So a stainless steel versions got powder coated instead of standard steel. The powder behaves different on stainless compared to standard steel. Has to do with the phosphate layer that gets generated in the preparation phase before the actual coating. The structure of the final grey/dolch will be just like the structure you see on black and yellow.
The black (RAL 9005) has no flakes in it and there is no dust. What you see in the pictures is reflections. In reality it's the same level of matte/texture/graininess like yellow.
You can see the same flakyness in the GMK WoB caps and you know that in realiyu they don't have any sorts of flaky/funky stuff going on. Jet the low sunlight make them look like that.
I've been sitting on this a while but what are different colors for keycaps that would work on either of the stainless steel versions?
Some more photos
I'm leaning more towards this bare stainless steel version, not the nickel treated.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WFW1059.jpg)
I'll have a lot more on monday. Then with comparison of the three beige colors. Also bare stainless steel vs nickle stainless steel.
Then, please wach out for the google form in which we will vote on beige and stainless steel versions.
Almost there.
@PlastikSchnittstelle
just for my understanding, for the 75% or 65% or 1800 boards, is it possible to order it with JST connector (and daughter board that maartenwut offers) and without the type C pre-installed ?
because i was thinking if i shld mod in a tiny 4 port USB hub into the case (probably dependent on the clearance available in the case as well)
@PlastikSchnittstelle
just for my understanding, for the 75% or 65% or 1800 boards, is it possible to order it with JST connector (and daughter board that maartenwut offers) and without the type C pre-installed ?
because i was thinking if i shld mod in a tiny 4 port USB hub into the case (probably dependent on the clearance available in the case as well)
I haven't been following the thread recently, but is there any info on whether a more "standard" 65% layout will be produced? I've seen the renders with them but from what I remember the many renders doesn't mean that a specific layout will be produced. The layout I'm talking about is the one with only the tiny blocker between the arrow keys and the rest of the bottom row.
Yes, it's all in the start post: updates, todos and faq.
A typing demo is also there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861578#msg2861578), though this isn't linked in the start post jet.
@ Konstantin and Coconut:
Thanks for answering and linking to the info, it's a simple thing but always a big help.
Had no time for this last week, will resume next week.
All of your questions are answered in the first post. This first post is one of the best, most comprehensive I have ever seen. It has links to everything mentioned so you don't have to search for it through all the pages.Yes, it's all in the start post: updates, todos and faq.
A typing demo is also there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861578#msg2861578), though this isn't linked in the start post jet.
@ Konstantin and Coconut:
Thanks for answering and linking to the info, it's a simple thing but always a big help.
Had no time for this last week, will resume next week.
The typing test sounds good! The spacebar was a bit loud but that can probably be modded I think.
I don't understand the complete construction but is it possible to adjust the degree slope?
As long as the price is kept at budget this will definitely be a buy!
I just realized that the only PCB I own has the usb connection on the right side not left.
Am I doomed now or is there a possibility to do some kind of modding?
As far as I know the HS60 is the ONLY 60% ISO Hotswap RGB PCB on the market.
If anyone else knows a 60/65% or TKL with ISO layout, RGB per key and Hotswap with usb connection on the right side please tell me.
Also, you can make almost every pcb into a hotswap one with ic sockets from Mill-Max or others. That's what i'm planning to do with the 95 PCBs i'll purchase with the cases. :)
(Since i'm still pretty new to this, someone please correct me if i'm wrong.)
I just realized that the only PCB I own has the usb connection on the right side not left.
Am I doomed now or is there a possibility to do some kind of modding?
As far as I know the HS60 is the ONLY 60% ISO Hotswap RGB PCB on the market.
If anyone else knows a 60/65% or TKL with ISO layout, RGB per key and Hotswap with usb connection on the right side please tell me.
HS60 is a standard 60% like the dz60
the usb is on the same side
I really like the industrial look of this and the long term viability of this case when the PCB is dead. However, I couldn't find any video with typing test on the previous case (SKBXX). For typing test on this current case, I guess we'll have to wait till the samples are sent out.
I really like the industrial look of this and the long term viability of this case when the PCB is dead. However, I couldn't find any video with typing test on the previous case (SKBXX). For typing test on this current case, I guess we'll have to wait till the samples are sent out.
There is a typing test somwhere in this thread, I'm not exactly sure where. At least I do believe I have seen it.
Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.
Does this mean that I can for example have a plate that supports HHKB and ISO enter?
Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.
Does this mean that I can for example have a plate that supports HHKB and ISO enter?
The standard plate that comes with the 60% does already support that.
But if you would like a dedicated plate, supporting only you layout (not unified), then yes, I will make the file for you.
(Attachment Link)
Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.
Does this mean that I can for example have a plate that supports HHKB and ISO enter?
The standard plate that comes with the 60% does already support that.
But if you would like a dedicated plate, supporting only you layout (not unified), then yes, I will make the file for you.
(Attachment Link)
would you offer plates for specific layouts if requested at an extra?
Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.
Does this mean that I can for example have a plate that supports HHKB and ISO enter?
The standard plate that comes with the 60% does already support that.
But if you would like a dedicated plate, supporting only you layout (not unified), then yes, I will make the file for you.
(Attachment Link)
would you offer plates for specific layouts if requested at an extra?
You mean not just the file (you would have to get it made yourself) but get the actual, physical, custom plate made for you?
If that's what you mean, I'll find out if that might be an option. So, maybe.
It's so damn difficult to put together pictures that realisticly demonstrate the differences of the three beige RAL colors (9001, 9002 and 1013).
Form to vote on beige today, will include some more questions.
Have put this off for too long now!
I hope one week from now.
Let's get that beige vote form out first and wait for a good amount of answers.
I hope one week from now.
Let's get that beige vote form out first and wait for a good amount of answers.
Can everyone vote even tho I will get the black?
How rough are the edges of the steel on the bottom? Is rubber padding or something an option to cover the edges so it doesn't scratch surfaces/snag on clothes?
I follow the thread closely and I'm so intrigued to see so many requests for renders.What he said!
When I was young, we were told to use our imagination :D
Can't prioritize the beige color in the vote, there're only checkboxes(.
Anyway, 1013 is the best one, IMO, then 9001 and 9002 is way too greyish. I've chosen 1013 and 9001.
Maybe, please remind me next week.
I've been eyeing the bead blasted with Nickel coating for a while, but thats just my 2¢
I've been eyeing the bead blasted with Nickel coating for a while, but thats just my 2¢
Yeah, that's still the one I'm planning to get. Black does look nice as well though
In regards to the usb cutout, would this count as bulky or would this fit in the 'tight' version?Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2711/4238/products/coiledcable-9_1080x.png)
This is the V2 Coiled Cable from KPrepublic.
In regards to the usb cutout, would this count as bulky or would this fit in the 'tight' version?Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2711/4238/products/coiledcable-9_1080x.png)
This is the V2 Coiled Cable from KPrepublic.
that would still just fit the "tight" cutout.
Exactly, only one of them. That's why you can't vote for one ;)
I actually prefer how the grayish RAL 9002 looks over the RAL 1013. But the RAL 9001 isn't as good of a match, imo.
@Plastik, it might be a good idea to add direct comparison pics of SS vs SS w/ nickel to your voting post, since not everyone will have seen them, and it may not be obvious from the photos which one it is.
Exactly, only one of them. That's why you can't vote for one ;)
Can you post a photo comparison between them? Not sure which one is which.
PCB layouts
Here are the layouts that are supported by Maarten's PCBs and of course by the plates as well:
Eon40:
(Attachment Link)
Plain60-C:
(Attachment Link)
Eon65:
(Attachment Link)
Eon75:
(Attachment Link)
Eon87:
(Attachment Link)
Eon95:
(Attachment Link)
I'd also like to point out that RAL 1013 is the closest match mathematically, with RAL 9002 a very close second.
According to the current standard (CIE DE2000):
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 1013 (228,217,199) = dE 2.9505
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 9001 (233,224,209) = dE 3.772
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 9002 (215,212,203) = dE 2.9883
Lower delta-E value means closer match. Delta-E of <2 is considered imperceptible.
Hey were the dimensions for the keyboards mentioned at any point? I was just curious to know the sizing. :thumb:
PCB layouts
Here are the layouts that are supported by Maarten's PCBs and of course by the plates as well:
Eon40:
(Attachment Link)
Plain60-C:
(Attachment Link)
Eon65:
(Attachment Link)
Eon75:
(Attachment Link)
Eon87:
(Attachment Link)
Eon95:
(Attachment Link)
any chance for split spacebar support on pcbs or making a list of compatible 3rd party pcbs with all planed variations? (like you did for skb 1 https://i.imgur.com/yxjeK9E.png https://i.imgur.com/OcTUSeR.png etc ...)
sorry if I missed that details in the post, thread is huge already :)
only phone atm. not really comfortable. there is a comparison picture in the start post, under "prototype 2" pictures. the slightly darker, more brownish one is always the nickel treated.
Exactly, that's the one I meant. Thanks!
Imo, the blacks caps make any of the two look better.
any chance for split spacebar support on pcbs or making a list of compatible 3rd party pcbs with all planed variations? (like you did for skb 1 https://i.imgur.com/yxjeK9E.png https://i.imgur.com/OcTUSeR.png etc ...)
sorry if I missed that details in the post, thread is huge already :)
Possible to see how the black 60 looks with Langelandia's Græn keycap set?please don't take his time making endless amounts of renders. use your imagination or just look at the color codes and see how they would match. not trying to be unfriendly but that's the easiest for you to get your answer
Really looking forward to the start of this GB!
I'm now at the point where I'm choosing colors for each of the cases I'll be ordering (two TKLs and one 75%). Or should I go with three TKLs instead and avoid choosing which form factor gets to be the black unit? :thumb:Aiming for a yellow 40s and a stainless HHKB. The affordability of this board is awesome. :)
Are you set on plate materials plastik?
if I buy the tkl, would it be cool to also add some 60% pcb's?
Do we have winner in beige and stainless?
You mean from time of order (me placing the gb order) to shipping (me starting to pack boxes)?
That should be around six to eight weeks.
Yes, to all questions a pretty clear winners emerged. Here is a simple screenshot (in the last question, green and blue is the same, I just corrected a spelling mistake after the form had already started to collect answers and google forms separated that):
Quoting to repeat the information from earlier. I think if the PCB supported F13 right next to F12, then that would have looked the best, but since the PCB design is done that can't change now.I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)
Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.
PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237641;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237643;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237645;image
Quoting to repeat the information from earlier. I think if the PCB supported F13 right next to F12, then that would have looked the best, but since the PCB design is done that can't change now.I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)
Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.
PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237641;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237643;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237645;image
In regards to the usb cutout, would this count as bulky or would this fit in the 'tight' version?Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2711/4238/products/coiledcable-9_1080x.png)
This is the V2 Coiled Cable from KPrepublic.
that would still just fit the "tight" cutout.
With the reset switch access, I want one that I can press w my finger or none at all :/ Mmmmh why are you shocked, what are the consequences of a reset hole? Is it bad for the sound of the case?why would you want a huge hole? why not settle with a hole enough for a pin at least? in my opinion access to a physical reset switch has no real use since you use key combinations to do it and it would only add more machine work. also, it would only work for the original pcb as replacement probably have a different switch placement.
Plastik, can this be made optional?
will pricing be announced before or will it be made available in the gb thread?
it is highly recommended to have a keymap where you can issue a reset command in all of the keymaps you download. there is always a default keymap loaded with pcb's that ship with qmk support, and they have always had a way to send reset.
@maartenwut, could you confirm for your pcb's?
@PlastikSchnittstelle, could it be that people who voted thought that the only way to send reset was the physical button and in that case they had to disassemble the keyboard to reach it? in that case maybe the result of the votes regarding reset hole isnt correct
You mean from time of order (me placing the gb order) to shipping (me starting to pack boxes)?
That should be around six to eight weeks.
I'm sorry that you had so many troubles in making an alu case, I just wonder what process are other people using since it is used almost exclusively on all the keyboards that I've seen in these years. Probably the main problem you encountered comes with the bending.other keyboards? you mean the CNC custom keyboards? every IC/GB carefully explains what kind of material, production method and surface treatment or finish is used, no need to wonder. it is mostly aluminum, cnc, bead blasting and anodizing.
and yes, the combination of bending and aluminum was one of the main issues. that's why on most PC cases that come with an aluminum front you see these huge radiuses. there was more to it, for example sheet metal aluminum comes in different alloys compared to aluminum blocks for CNCing -. not the same result after anodizing.Anyway steel is good, if you use stainless steel, it's even better. What thickness are you going to use? I just wonder how does aluminium sound in comparison. Probably steel is going to sound higher pitched than aluminium.when powder coating, you certainly don't use stainless steel, that's a waste of money. the coating protects the steel and prevents it from rusting.
It's 1.5mm thickness. with this thickness the 60% already weights 1.35kg (mentioned in the start post).
imo the sound is influenced by the density of the material and overall mass/weight of the case (and more factors of course). what also plays a major factor is the decoupling/dampened mounting of the plate. I think it sound deeper compared to alu, not any resonating sound due tue the density of the material and even more due to the decoupled mounting of the plate. to me it's immediately, deeply satisfying :)
like mentioned in the start post, I'll send to next prototypes to reviewers who can review/test it - they are in a better position to give you a detailed opinion about sound and more.And remember that even if its inox, it still rusts when it's dirty... So it should be really high quality steel.yes, thanks, I do know that. the company that does the powder coating uses a five phase cleaning procedure. intensive and automated cleaning is a standard procedure before the coating. again, you just use standard steel when you powder coat, definitely NOT stainless steel. though there is a huge number of different steels to choose from. I have friends who work in engineering and automotive, so I have ways to figure out what the most suited alloy is.
please, if you you have actually worked with metals in the context of engineering, industrial design or automotive design and you actually know what you are talking about, then good. but otherwise you just cause confusion. no offense, I know you mean it well.
the manufacturing does not require any moulds. if it would, the case would be very expensive. here you can see (https://www.trumpf.com/de_DE/produkte/maschinen-systeme/biegemaschinen/trubend-serie-3000/) how the machines look like that are used for sheet metal bending, they are awesome imo.
rust is not an issue. many people somehow got the idea that a non-stainless just disappears into dust after a few years. if it is treated the right way, I mean it sits on your desk, it's not exposed to intense weather conditions, it's not even outside, it's inside, on your desk! it is also not blank but powder coated, it will not rust (probably not in your or your son's lifetime). already discussed here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2831276#msg2831276) ;)
the aging, the traces, scratches, all what comes along using an object, yes, I like that as well, it personalizes the object, makes it more yours.
Welp, at least I tried. :D Kinda new on the hobby, this will be the first GB I'll be joining, and I can't wait!!! Good luck sir!!!
it is highly recommended to have a keymap where you can issue a reset command in all of the keymaps you download. there is always a default keymap loaded with pcb's that ship with qmk support, and they have always had a way to send reset.
@maartenwut, could you confirm for your pcb's?
maarten does really not need to confirm that, it is always that way.
DUDE! common!
just to confirm, in one of the quotes you said using stainless steel for powdercoating would be a waste, so you'll be using two different steels for the coated and untreated version? but it would still be "legal" to get a SS and get it powdercoated myself? or would you, since you will be in possession of my address, come to my house and hit me with a 95%?
would it be possible, just a thought coming to mind, to order one "normal steel" without the powdercoating? i'll definitely get one of the yellow but may be interested in getting another one for future use with another flashy color. i'd totally understand if that wasn't possible :thumb:
Hey! The board looks great but I have some questions, sorry if they were asked before.
How much will the early bird discount be? Also, if the discount costs more than the actual gb purchase how would that be handled?
I don't see anything unfortunate about waiting for the GB. Plastik made many decisions since some of us became early birds. Decisions that are leading with confidence to next week GB.Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.Yea, I’ll be completely honest, I just paid the invoice without knowing what I was getting. I’m just happy to be here.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
@tyler1820, here is your answerI don't see anything unfortunate about waiting for the GB. Plastik made many decisions since some of us became early birds. Decisions that are leading with confidence to next week GB.Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.Yea, I’ll be completely honest, I just paid the invoice without knowing what I was getting. I’m just happy to be here.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
Hey there I'm pretty new to the mech keys community this will be my first GB. The design is fantastic definitely need that beige!!
One question I had regarding the plate/PCB - will I need PCB mounted switches or will plate mounted be okay? Don't want to accidentally have 3 pin switches and realise I needed 5 pins. Apologies if it has been answered before or is very obvious.. Cheers and can't wait!
Hey there I'm pretty new to the mech keys community this will be my first GB. The design is fantastic definitely need that beige!!
One question I had regarding the plate/PCB - will I need PCB mounted switches or will plate mounted be okay? Don't want to accidentally have 3 pin switches and realise I needed 5 pins. Apologies if it has been answered before or is very obvious.. Cheers and can't wait!
Plate mounted always work, might be more wobbly because of no guide pins
Edit: Since your new, I might add, normally plate mount won't be good for plateless keyboards because it will be pretty hard to align them but they will "work" in that it will still register keypresses, because the difference between 3 and 5 pin are 2 plastic guide pins which make no connection difference
What are the size of the top and side screws? Sorry if this was covered but I did a quick search on each page but only saw that they're M3.
Tried to find it, but either I didn't try hard enough, or there's really no such info: what's the size of the screws that are used to mount the plate? I guess, it's either M3 or M4?
I was thinking about using spanner head screws to achieve more industrial look.
all M3
With nickel being left out, I'm in an even more confused state about which colour to choose. Is it too much to ask for a render (or some guide/resources on how to make the renders myself if it's too much of a hassle and you don't mind sharing the files)? I'm going with PBT Hive (https://thekey.company/products/infinikey-hive) for now and I suppose that it'd look kinda off with the black version. Would've gone with nickel most probably if it was available, but now I'm rather torn between black, steel and yellow (a bit too flashy, but I think it will match the blue and yellow of the keycap set nicely).I believe there is a gray option, depending on the gray, that could actually look pretty nice as well
Also, any chance for another early bird round if the GB doesn't start right away?
Really like the many sizes being offered :thumb:OP is a fantastic source of information.
Will this be at same price range as the previous round of SKB75 & SKB60?
Thanks.
Q: How much will it cost?
A: Prices are not set jet. Too many variables. Rough estimate is that the smallest 40% will land slightly under 100€ and the biggest 95% version will be around 150€. That's without the PCB and Shipping.
Quick question, and sorry if this has been mentioned before.I think this was answered in #642. They are not compatible from my understanding - the screws placements are different.
Will plates be compatible between SKB (OG) and SKB2?
I have a Boardwalk I'm building on an SKB60. If I want to upgrade it to the SKB2 case because why not, could I simply swap the plates both ways? Thanks!
One last thing, I have sweaty hands, would that affect the powder coating in the long run? I've tried searching online but I have no conclusive answer.
Will there be any decoration on the case on where the 95% additional key used to be? It loocks a bit weird on the reserved space...
can the steel version be polished after? (mirror-like finish)
Also, how big is the space between PCB and the bottom case? I'm thinking of using a Bluetooth PCB, so need space for battery(~3mm).
Quick question, and sorry if this has been mentioned before.I think this was answered in #642. They are not compatible from my understanding - the screws placements are different.
Will plates be compatible between SKB (OG) and SKB2?
I have a Boardwalk I'm building on an SKB60. If I want to upgrade it to the SKB2 case because why not, could I simply swap the plates both ways? Thanks!
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Really like the many sizes being offered :thumb:OP is a fantastic source of information.
Will this be at same price range as the previous round of SKB75 & SKB60?
Thanks.
It has the following FAQ entry:QuoteQ: How much will it cost?
A: Prices are not set jet. Too many variables. Rough estimate is that the smallest 40% will land slightly under 100€ and the biggest 95% version will be around 150€. That's without the PCB and Shipping.
Will there be any decoration on the case on where the 95% additional key used to be? It loocks a bit weird on the reserved space...
No, certainly not. You should learn to appreciate the presence of unspoiled, free space. I prefer to let a surface just be what it is, without cramming a logo in.
Yes, maybe still this week.
I'm currently preparing the last shop related things.
If not this week, it definitely has to be still this month!
can the steel version be polished after? (mirror-like finish)
Also, how big is the space between PCB and the bottom case? I'm thinking of using a Bluetooth PCB, so need space for battery(~3mm).
You can do with it whatever you want.
It's an angled case. In the front the PCB almost touches the bottom, at the back there is up to 10mm of space. I think the bluetooth signal will have a hard time getting out of the steel case.
can the steel version be polished after? (mirror-like finish)
Also, how big is the space between PCB and the bottom case? I'm thinking of using a Bluetooth PCB, so need space for battery(~3mm).
You can do with it whatever you want.
It's an angled case. In the front the PCB almost touches the bottom, at the back there is up to 10mm of space. I think the bluetooth signal will have a hard time getting out of the steel case.
is hotswap compatible? i.e. would the hotswap socket touches the case?
too bad the early bird closed out. will the keyboard group buy be in euros or USD?
Surely it’s possible , and I suppose if it’s to your side angled inward it would be quite comfortable reallyPotentiallydumb question here: could a 40% be workable as a vertical macropad? Rotate it in 90%, put the keycaps facing "east", program it in QMK to serve as a combined numpad/hexapad/macropad? Or would it, in its lowest angle, still be awkward to use?
Possible... yes.Surely it’s possible , and I suppose if it’s to your side angled inward it would be quite comfortable reallyPotentiallydumb question here: could a 40% be workable as a vertical macropad? Rotate it in 90%, put the keycaps facing "east", program it in QMK to serve as a combined numpad/hexapad/macropad? Or would it, in its lowest angle, still be awkward to use?
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Is there a difference between the cases for 60 HHKB and 60 BW B? Are they the same? I expect I can swap the plate/PCB between the two and change from staggered to ortholinear?
For the 96%, I hope the 5 keys in the upper right are still an option.
As for the Eon PCBs, is there anywhere I can see them detailed, or are they going to be made to order for the SKB2? Still interested in split spacebar for the 75% and 96% and I hope at least that the plates will support that if the PCBs won't (the title post only shows the 87% with split spacebar).
Possible... yes.Surely it’s possible , and I suppose if it’s to your side angled inward it would be quite comfortable reallyPotentiallydumb question here: could a 40% be workable as a vertical macropad? Rotate it in 90%, put the keycaps facing "east", program it in QMK to serve as a combined numpad/hexapad/macropad? Or would it, in its lowest angle, still be awkward to use?
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But I imagine the extra height would significantly change many of the variables that Plastik. has already worked out regarding the bending, mounting and alignment of the case, so I would be surprised if he were to add such an option without the need of further prototyping (which costs money).
That’s not to answer for him, I’m just saying I wouldn’t set my hopes too high for this :)
Is there a difference between the cases for 60 HHKB and 60 BW B? Are they the same? I expect I can swap the plate/PCB between the two and change from staggered to ortholinear?
I think the 60s just have a Blocker/Non Blocker version and everything else is just the plate
Will there be any decoration on the case on where the 95% additional key used to be? It loocks a bit weird on the reserved space...
No, certainly not. You should learn to appreciate the presence of unspoiled, free space. I prefer to let a surface just be what it is, without cramming a logo in.
Will there be any decoration on the case on where the 95% additional key used to be? It loocks a bit weird on the reserved space...
No, certainly not. You should learn to appreciate the presence of unspoiled, free space. I prefer to let a surface just be what it is, without cramming a logo in.
I don't think letting a surface is ugly, it's just a little bit awkward, like an incomplete line in Tetris. Anyway I'm still interested in this 95% and planning to get 1 or 2 sets.
Btw I would like to ask if the cut files would be shared after the group buy, since I'm willing to buy an extra pcb and build a 96% by modifying the cut files.
Thx for answering!
Btw I would like to ask if the cut files would be shared after the group buy, since I'm willing to buy an extra pcb and build a 96% by modifying the cut files.
Thx for answering!
Design files
People asking for design files really don't seem to have any clue about the time and work that gets put into such a project. Either no clue at all or just totally shameless.
It baffles me how one could ask this.
No, I'm not giving out my design files.
I don't want to be rude, I just feel this needs to be said.
Wait, maybe I had been a bit clueless myself once. A long time ago, before I had done any keyboard related project myself, I wanted to do some keycap renders to help out on some ideas for a GMK GB. I just assumed I had to just ask any person who is in possesion of the CAD files so I could just drop on the materials and start rendering. This is already many years back, I think it was zambumon who I wrote a pm to, asking for the cherry keycap CAD files. Since working with CAD is part of my job, I know this stuff is a lot of work and it already dawned on me that asking for this probably isn't a good idea but I did it anyway. I got a short reply, it wasn't rude but it was clear that I would have to do it myself. It took me a VERY LONG TIME to get the caps right. This helped me to understand why one would not just give the files away. I even felt shame for having asked for it in the first place. In the end I was very happy that I didn't just get the keycap files but instead put in the work myself. All my renderings have the caps that I modeled myself.
I could have just answered your request with a simple no. Now that I took the time to tell you this little story and provide you with some context, I hope you realize that I don't want to be rude, I'm just hoping you understand it a little better now.
Btw I would like to ask if the cut files would be shared after the group buy, since I'm willing to buy an extra pcb and build a 96% by modifying the cut files.
Thx for answering!
Design files
People asking for design files really don't seem to have any clue about the time and work that gets put into such a project. Either no clue at all or just totally shameless.
It baffles me how one could ask this.
No, I'm not giving out my design files.
I don't want to be rude, I just feel this needs to be said.
Wait, maybe I had been a bit clueless myself once. A long time ago, before I had done any keyboard related project myself, I wanted to do some keycap renders to help out on some ideas for a GMK GB. I just assumed I had to just ask any person who is in possesion of the CAD files so I could just drop on the materials and start rendering. This is already many years back, I think it was zambumon who I wrote a pm to, asking for the cherry keycap CAD files. Since working with CAD is part of my job, I know this stuff is a lot of work and it already dawned on me that asking for this probably isn't a good idea but I did it anyway. I got a short reply, it wasn't rude but it was clear that I would have to do it myself. It took me a VERY LONG TIME to get the caps right. This helped me to understand why one would not just give the files away. I even felt shame for having asked for it in the first place. In the end I was very happy that I didn't just get the keycap files but instead put in the work myself. All my renderings have the caps that I modeled myself.
I could have just answered your request with a simple no. Now that I took the time to tell you this little story and provide you with some context, I hope you realize that I don't want to be rude, I'm just hoping you understand it a little better now.
Why are you so aggressive about this? Plate files get released all the time.
Why are you so aggressive about this? Plate files get released all the time.
Plate files get released all the time.
Btw I would like to ask if the cut files would be shared after the group buy, since I'm willing to buy an extra pcb and build a 96% by modifying the cut files.
Thx for answering!
Design files
People asking for design files really don't seem to have any clue about the time and work that gets put into such a project. Either no clue at all or just totally shameless.
It baffles me how one could ask this.
No, I'm not giving out my design files.
I don't want to be rude, I just feel this needs to be said.
Wait, maybe I had been a bit clueless myself once. A long time ago, before I had done any keyboard related project myself, I wanted to do some keycap renders to help out on some ideas for a GMK GB. I just assumed I had to just ask any person who is in possesion of the CAD files so I could just drop on the materials and start rendering. This is already many years back, I think it was zambumon who I wrote a pm to, asking for the cherry keycap CAD files. Since working with CAD is part of my job, I know this stuff is a lot of work and it already dawned on me that asking for this probably isn't a good idea but I did it anyway. I got a short reply, it wasn't rude but it was clear that I would have to do it myself. It took me a VERY LONG TIME to get the caps right. This helped me to understand why one would not just give the files away. I even felt shame for having asked for it in the first place. In the end I was very happy that I didn't just get the keycap files but instead put in the work myself. All my renderings have the caps that I modeled myself.
I could have just answered your request with a simple no. Now that I took the time to tell you this little story and provide you with some context, I hope you realize that I don't want to be rude, I'm just hoping you understand it a little better now.
No problem, it's all good now :)
Yes, sharing plate files is common, I spent lots of time making custom DXF files for SKB1 participants. Plate material preferences are very different. I'll offer only steel and brass. Anyone who wants something else can count on my support.
GB will definitely start this month, just a few more days!
Why are you so aggressive about this? Plate files get released all the time.
failing to understand
Plate files get released all the time.
Judging by your post history, it seems you are fairly new to GH, so welcome, stranger!
He’s talking about the CASE files in his response, not PLATE files. They are bent from ‘plates’ of metal, but to call them ‘plate files’ is confusing.
Plate files (as they are known in the community) refers to something else that can be generated online with at least two well known tools made by the community for the community. If a designer didn’t release them, you could make your own in a matter of minutes, so I can understand why his time might have sounded aggressive if that’s what you thought the discussion was about.
But the CASE files for this project not only took several rounds of prototyping to perfect, but was itself a refinement of a whole previous round of a group buy as well. The time invested by plastikschnittstelle to refine and improve the design is enormous, those kind of files do not get released all the time
Just quickly, on the note about aggression; it might have seemed aggressive at first, but as I understood it, he reacted heavily initially, then laid out the reason for this reaction in an anecdotal story. So the answer is in the response.
No problem, it's all good now :)
Yes, sharing plate files is common, I spent lots of time making custom DXF files for SKB1 participants. Plate material preferences are very different. I'll offer only steel and brass. Anyone who wants something else can count on my support.
GB will definitely start this month, just a few more days!
Why are you so aggressive about this? Plate files get released all the time.
failing to understand
yes you are
For the 96%, I hope the 5 keys in the upper right are still an option.
No.
Link to the vote (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2886437#msg2886437).
Link to the Results (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2889331#msg2889331).
Btw, I stick to 95% now, not 96.As for the Eon PCBs, is there anywhere I can see them detailed, or are they going to be made to order for the SKB2? Still interested in split spacebar for the 75% and 96% and I hope at least that the plates will support that if the PCBs won't (the title post only shows the 87% with split spacebar).
Maarten designs the PCBs. I had shown the TKL prototype (Eon87) here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2855749#msg2855749). It is the only one with split spacebar support and the plate will support it as well. All of the others do not have split spacebar support, not the PCBs and not the plates. I had mentioned earlier why not (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2887700#msg2887700).
More PCB prototypes are ordered. More details soon.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned: what are your views on indicator LEDs with this board? What would be a good place to put 2 or 3 if I won't be using translucent keycaps? I'd want to have some layer indication. Probably in the front, on the bottom, pointing towards the desk?
Plastik, this is so dope news! :p both the 75% and now a 1800 compact in on the gb now! <3
ALL my votes goes to layout nr2, having the extra key on layout nr1 looks pretty weird imo,
if you added a breakout for powering rgb leds or just 2 pin leds around the NCS area we could help our self later on with some additional holes for just something regular like this
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Something like this would be cool, then it wouldn't hurt with or without indicators, just a quick mockup to get a idea, would be cool imo :)
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yes, assuming it will be nr2, that free spot would be a familiar place for indicator leds. your cutout proposals are quite nice. the thing is that the pcb is already done and does not have leds there. even if, the nature of the case would make it difficult for pcb surface leds to clearly shine through the wholes. you would not be able to tell the three leds apart from each other. you would need some kind of guide chanel, or mount the leds directly on the inside of the case behind the small cutout position. there are probably many more ways to do it, but the point is that I think these indicator leds shouldn't be added as an afterthought. if so, it should be consider in the beginning of the design process. the way it is now is clean and simple. it should stay that way. some keys have through hole led support, there it is possible to use windowed caps.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned: what are your views on indicator LEDs with this board? What would be a good place to put 2 or 3 if I won't be using translucent keycaps? I'd want to have some layer indication. Probably in the front, on the bottom, pointing towards the desk?
Chances are that everything's been mentioned in this thread by now :P See below:Plastik, this is so dope news! :p both the 75% and now a 1800 compact in on the gb now! <3
ALL my votes goes to layout nr2, having the extra key on layout nr1 looks pretty weird imo,
if you added a breakout for powering rgb leds or just 2 pin leds around the NCS area we could help our self later on with some additional holes for just something regular like this
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Edit.
Something like this would be cool, then it wouldn't hurt with or without indicators, just a quick mockup to get a idea, would be cool imo :)
(Attachment Link)
yes, assuming it will be nr2, that free spot would be a familiar place for indicator leds. your cutout proposals are quite nice. the thing is that the pcb is already done and does not have leds there. even if, the nature of the case would make it difficult for pcb surface leds to clearly shine through the wholes. you would not be able to tell the three leds apart from each other. you would need some kind of guide chanel, or mount the leds directly on the inside of the case behind the small cutout position. there are probably many more ways to do it, but the point is that I think these indicator leds shouldn't be added as an afterthought. if so, it should be consider in the beginning of the design process. the way it is now is clean and simple. it should stay that way. some keys have through hole led support, there it is possible to use windowed caps.
Oh and one more thing I'd like to mention, not sure if I did already. I had always stated that the PCBs will be optional for you to add. I reconsidered, want to do it like most other GBs now. It will always be kits containing of CASE+PLATE+PCB. That lowers the base price a bit.
Think I'll definitely be in for a 65%.A level of certainty, but then again maybe not
Unlimited?
Well, it's like that:
A lot have filled out the IC form but it's hard for me to tell how many of those actually mean it. I am prepared to deal with a high amount of orders. If really all who filled out the IC form will actually order - that would be too much and I would have to close it earlier. I'm pretty sure though that it will start slowly and won't get anywhere near the IC amount. It's hard to tell.
Brass plate option?
Yes, brass will be offered. Whenever there are more different parts made, less of the same get made. That will always raise the cost. Anyway, nothing regarding the range I mentioned has changed.
The brass plates will be quite expensive though. It's much more expensive than steel or stainless steel. It is not just the brass itself, the surface treatment (remember I'm not a fan of the shiny look) for the brass plate is bead blasting first and then black zink.
You don't have to go for brass, steel is almost as dense, also gets the black zink finish, but no bead blasting. That's a very affordable option.
Btw.
Oh and one more thing I'd like to mention, not sure if I did already. I had always stated that the PCBs will be optional for you to add. I reconsidered, want to do it like most other GBs now. It will always be kits containing of CASE+PLATE+PCB. That lowers the base price a bit.
Yeah I'm going for this as well. I don't use staggered layouts at all, so I'd have no use for a PCBOh and one more thing I'd like to mention, not sure if I did already. I had always stated that the PCBs will be optional for you to add. I reconsidered, want to do it like most other GBs now. It will always be kits containing of CASE+PLATE+PCB. That lowers the base price a bit.
How will this work for the Boardwalk option? Is that still going to be available without the PCB, or will we have to choose to have the normal 60% PCB and then just not use it?
Yeah I'm going for this as well. I don't use staggered layouts at all, so I'd have no use for a PCBOh and one more thing I'd like to mention, not sure if I did already. I had always stated that the PCBs will be optional for you to add. I reconsidered, want to do it like most other GBs now. It will always be kits containing of CASE+PLATE+PCB. That lowers the base price a bit.
How will this work for the Boardwalk option? Is that still going to be available without the PCB, or will we have to choose to have the normal 60% PCB and then just not use it?
Unlimited?
Well, it's like that:
A lot have filled out the IC form but it's hard for me to tell how many of those actually mean it. I am prepared to deal with a high amount of orders. If really all who filled out the IC form will actually order - that would be too much and I would have to close it earlier. I'm pretty sure though that it will start slowly and won't get anywhere near the IC amount. It's hard to tell.
Brass plate option?
Yes, brass will be offered. Whenever there are more different parts made, less of the same get made. That will always raise the cost. Anyway, nothing regarding the range I mentioned has changed.
The brass plates will be quite expensive though. It's much more expensive than steel or stainless steel. It is not just the brass itself, the surface treatment (remember I'm not a fan of the shiny look) for the brass plate is bead blasting first and then black zink.
You don't have to go for brass, steel is almost as dense, also gets the black zink finish, but no bead blasting. That's a very affordable option.
Btw.
Oh and one more thing I'd like to mention, not sure if I did already. I had always stated that the PCBs will be optional for you to add. I reconsidered, want to do it like most other GBs now. It will always be kits containing of CASE+PLATE+PCB. That lowers the base price a bit.
With unlimited I mean if you are going to offer just a few keebs of each type, so you dont have to deal with 200 keyboards yourself like you did with SKB1.
About the brass. Its going to look black then?
Maybe is more expensive, I'll decide later, but would like to try brass and with those amazing cut relief you did for the plate could be a cool plate.
If you offer the case+plate+pcb kit and that means that lower the price Im in. Anyways, I think most of the orders are going to be a complete kit with PCB
What are the outer dimensions of the TKL version? We're looking at having some carrying cases made with internal cutouts in foam.
I would like to know the width and length. Height is not a factor I think.
Please share if you can Plastik
Good question, that's something I haven't found a good solution for jet. Hopefully I can figure something out, it should not mess with the current structure.
Oh and one more thing I'd like to mention, not sure if I did already. I had always stated that the PCBs will be optional for you to add. I reconsidered, want to do it like most other GBs now. It will always be kits containing of CASE+PLATE+PCB. That lowers the base price a bit.
Regarding the kits
Until now I had planned to offer case and PCB separately. I reconsidered this and now think that this would just lead to a lot off hassle for me. Why? Because I'm sure many would just order and then realize they forgot the PCB, so I'll have to edit orders afterwards. It will be a kit, case+plate+PCB. That's like most other GBs do it as well. For the 75, 95 and maybe even the TKL, it would not make sense anyway to offer it separately since they have custom PCBs that you don't get anywhere else. 60% and 65% is different. I'm aware that a few want hot swap PCBs, so for these two sizes, I'll add the option to buy "without PCB".
Think I'll definitely be in for a 65%.A level of certainty, but then again maybe not
What about early birds? Will they have to get PCBs too? I don't need PCB, as I've planned to use one from the Klippe S kit.
So many layouts!
but two 40's and set them up next to each otherSo many layouts!
Now imagine a split ortho for the next iteration :D
but two 40's and set them up next to each otherSo many layouts!
Now imagine a split ortho for the next iteration :D
Thanks for the hard work on this. For those of us who would like custom plates, what is the process for ordering them? Thanks.I'm not sure when in the process Plastik will release the plate files. Probably after gb has closed. You can then use those plate design files to have plates cut in any material you wish from any company you want. If you are a member of any to you, local discord i would ask their for companies you could use.
Thanks for the hard work on this. For those of us who would like custom plates, what is the process for ordering them? Thanks.
Thanks for the hard work on this. For those of us who would like custom plates, what is the process for ordering them? Thanks.
Yeah, well, last time (SKB1), for anyone who contacted me regarding a custom plate, I took time to talk about the details (what layout exactly, kind of stabz, stabz orientation, etc). Then I made the DXF for them and they got them made elsewhere.
The process was basically: "just ask for it"
This time it would probably be too many requests. I guess this time, I would just release the standard plate files but for a custom file I would have to charge something. If I haven't figured this out by thursday at launch, we will figure it out together along the way.
Thanks for the hard work on this. For those of us who would like custom plates, what is the process for ordering them? Thanks.
Yeah, well, last time (SKB1), for anyone who contacted me regarding a custom plate, I took time to talk about the details (what layout exactly, kind of stabz, stabz orientation, etc). Then I made the DXF for them and they got them made elsewhere.
The process was basically: "just ask for it"
This time it would probably be too many requests. I guess this time, I would just release the standard plate files but for a custom file I would have to charge something. If I haven't figured this out by thursday at launch, we will figure it out together along the way.
wait wait wait, did you just announce the launch as it being thursday sneaky?
What will be the price of the 60% kit?You'll know tomorrow for sure, Plastik said around $100 without PCB, but everything will be confirmed.
Help! I can't decide between the 75% or the 95%!
Amazing to see that GB is soon, any idea on how you are gonna contact early bird buyers regarding additional payment and layout choices? Also asking if early bird buyers can buy a second kit.
What will be the price of the 60% kit?You'll know tomorrow for sure, Plastik said around $100 without PCB, but everything will be confirmed.
Waiting for GB launch :D
I just hope you dont have to deal with a massive amount of orders yourself, for the sanity of your mind
Edit: when can we know the prices for each keeb model? Just to prepare the wallet :P
Help! I can't decide between the 75% or the 95%!
Consider this point of view: the 95% is just 3U wider than the 75%, but gives you a full numpad (if by any chance you're left-handed and you're using your mouse on the left, the board being wider should be a non-issue). You can't efficiently emulate a numpad on the 75% since there isn't a 3*3 non-staggered cluster of keys anywhere on it.
I'm personally going with the 95% since I've been using a 75% for a while and I miss a numpad. This is also why I would wanna try ortho (it allows you to put a numpad anywhere without the need of a dedicated cluster, the only sacrifice being that it has to be on a layer).
I think I read something about a discord. When will you open it? Tomorrow too?Waiting for GB launch :D
I just hope you dont have to deal with a massive amount of orders yourself, for the sanity of your mind
Edit: when can we know the prices for each keeb model? Just to prepare the wallet :P
Since I took time to set up a shop, the order process will be automated now. Much less work for me, won't have to write all the invoices myself.
Pricing tomorrow.
I think I read something about a discord. When will you open it? Tomorrow too?Waiting for GB launch :D
I just hope you dont have to deal with a massive amount of orders yourself, for the sanity of your mind
Edit: when can we know the prices for each keeb model? Just to prepare the wallet :P
Since I took time to set up a shop, the order process will be automated now. Much less work for me, won't have to write all the invoices myself.
Pricing tomorrow.
Amazing to see that GB is soon, any idea on how you are gonna contact early bird buyers regarding additional payment and layout choices? Also asking if early bird buyers can buy a second kit.
Yes, I figured that out.
Once the shop opens, early birds will have to set up a user account. This way I can make a coupon for that individual account. Early birds payed 110€, they would get a 130€ coupon code, so they save 20€. Sounds good?
And yes, sure they can add whatever they want.
will the people who didn't get their skb1 get a coupon code, like the early birds?
sorry i'm a little late to the party, but would there be support for 7U bottom row with a standard top?
(noticed there is only WKL and Standard for the 60% under the supported layouts...)
I really don't know why you would prefer a DZ60 over Maarten's Plain60-C, maybe you already have it laying around, then OK.
Yes, it fits.
I really don't know why you would prefer a DZ60 over Maarten's Plain60-C, maybe you already have it laying around, then OK.
Yes, it fits.
Just an example, because I've seen this mentioned a few times - I plan to use the DZ60 for the 2U left shift (with that row shifted 1/4U), and split space. Which the Plain60 won't support, and the plates couldn't realistically support. (Thus will be hoping for an option w/o the 2, and will have to get a custom plate made). Either way, excited!
Help! I can't decide between the 75% or the 95%!
Consider this point of view: the 95% is just 3U wider than the 75%, but gives you a full numpad (if by any chance you're left-handed and you're using your mouse on the left, the board being wider should be a non-issue). You can't efficiently emulate a numpad on the 75% since there isn't a 3*3 non-staggered cluster of keys anywhere on it.
I'm personally going with the 95% since I've been using a 75% for a while and I miss a numpad. This is also why I would wanna try ortho (it allows you to put a numpad anywhere without the need of a dedicated cluster, the only sacrifice being that it has to be on a layer).
I'm obviously goingt to try the 95%. Generally I love 60% the most but I want to find out how much I would benefit from the numpad. Hard to say.
Help! I can't decide between the 75% or the 95%!
Consider this point of view: the 95% is just 3U wider than the 75%, but gives you a full numpad (if by any chance you're left-handed and you're using your mouse on the left, the board being wider should be a non-issue). You can't efficiently emulate a numpad on the 75% since there isn't a 3*3 non-staggered cluster of keys anywhere on it.
I'm personally going with the 95% since I've been using a 75% for a while and I miss a numpad. This is also why I would wanna try ortho (it allows you to put a numpad anywhere without the need of a dedicated cluster, the only sacrifice being that it has to be on a layer).
I'm obviously goingt to try the 95%. Generally I love 60% the most but I want to find out how much I would benefit from the numpad. Hard to say.
Great points, I also do use the numpad now and then and will probably miss it, hunting and pecking on row 1 is not ideal.
That form factor of the 75% is so sexy though!
Help! I can't decide between the 75% or the 95%!
Consider this point of view: the 95% is just 3U wider than the 75%, but gives you a full numpad (if by any chance you're left-handed and you're using your mouse on the left, the board being wider should be a non-issue). You can't efficiently emulate a numpad on the 75% since there isn't a 3*3 non-staggered cluster of keys anywhere on it.
I'm personally going with the 95% since I've been using a 75% for a while and I miss a numpad. This is also why I would wanna try ortho (it allows you to put a numpad anywhere without the need of a dedicated cluster, the only sacrifice being that it has to be on a layer).
I'm obviously goingt to try the 95%. Generally I love 60% the most but I want to find out how much I would benefit from the numpad. Hard to say.
Great points, I also do use the numpad now and then and will probably miss it, hunting and pecking on row 1 is not ideal.
That form factor of the 75% is so sexy though!Stop it! This makes me question my decision to go for a 75%! :-\
Nevermind, I want to equip it with Rama Heavy Industry which does not come with number pad keys. And I have a Romac on my side. 75% it is.
Stop it! This makes me question my decision to go for a 75%! :-\
Nevermind, I want to equip it with Rama Heavy Industry which does not come with number pad keys. And I have a Romac on my side. 75% it is.
Heavy Industry looks super nice. Too bad that it doesn't offer neither ISO nor numpad kits. Also, it'd personally bug me a bit for the numpad to be different even if I get the keycaps to match.
It'd be nice if there's a numpad with a potential SKB3 or a re-run of SKB2 (although that'd mean that if I go 95% now, like I intend to, I'd have to buy a 75% and a numpad on the next round, and my wallet will hate me).
What color of keyboard do you guys think will go best with the GMK Lunar set? Is the board in the banner with the lunar key set being made? With so many options and coatings I’m kinda confused . I also thought yellow or black might look good with the lunar keys . The look I’m going for is straight outta an old space craftI think grey, steel color and yellow can match great
Stop it! This makes me question my decision to go for a 75%! :-\
Nevermind, I want to equip it with Rama Heavy Industry which does not come with number pad keys. And I have a Romac on my side. 75% it is.
Heavy Industry looks super nice. Too bad that it doesn't offer neither ISO nor numpad kits. Also, it'd personally bug me a bit for the numpad to be different even if I get the keycaps to match.
It'd be nice if there's a numpad with a potential SKB3 or a re-run of SKB2 (although that'd mean that if I go 95% now, like I intend to, I'd have to buy a 75% and a numpad on the next round, and my wallet will hate me).
This hobby is brutal. ;)
Do we know if the colors are going to be offer in matte or in glossy? I cant find any infoWhat color of keyboard do you guys think will go best with the GMK Lunar set? Is the board in the banner with the lunar key set being made? With so many options and coatings I’m kinda confused . I also thought yellow or black might look good with the lunar keys . The look I’m going for is straight outta an old space craftI think grey, steel color and yellow can match great
All the colours except for a treated Stainless Steel is powder coated, I wouldn't say it's exactly matte but that would be a closer description.
I think Lunar will look great on black or the treated Steel, will let OP answer about the yellow as it's hard to tell whether it will match on screen.
Oh yes, that glossy. I had a few protos made with glossy but that didn't turn out that well. The "Feinstruktur" was quickly the most popular finish. So glossy was ruled out very early.So there is only one surface finish, right?
Currently I'm setting up the discord. Will all take a while. I guess I win't be done with the last preparations until very late today.
Impatiently awaiting ;)
Impatiently awaiting ;)
I know, right :p always that last stretch that has you going "are we there yet"
exactly. that's called "Feinstruktur"Has it that kind of grainy finish I see in the pictures?
exactly. that's called "Feinstruktur"Has it that kind of grainy finish I see in the pictures?
Is this still happening today? Barely 2 hours left (I'm same time zone)Also sitting here waiting for it to drop.
need two more hours, sorry :)Might I suggest--and beware, I am absolutely being selfish here--that once the work to get the GB ready is done, you announce an official GB starting time that suits both US and European enthusiasts?
Are you afraid that you won't have time to get a spot? Even though this is indeed a popular project, usually when people say things like 'oh I'm definitely gonna get one' or 'I can't wait until this starts', they either don't mean it or change their mind. I wouldn't be surprised if 1/20 that had shown interest in an IC form for instance never buy the actual product.need two more hours, sorry :)Might I suggest--and beware, I am absolutely being selfish here--that once the work to get the GB ready is done, you announce an official GB starting time that suits both US and European enthusiasts?
Might I suggest--and beware, I am absolutely being selfish here--that once the work to get the GB ready is done, you announce an official GB starting time that suits both US and European enthusiasts?I thought we're hopping straight into gb today. :-X
- plate is 8mm deep
I saw this in the start post:
- plate is 8mm deep
Could you clarify what you mean by this? There's obviously no way the plate is 8mm thick. Is the plate the standard 1.5mm thickness?
If I dont have a bad memory, Plastick anwser to me 1 page ago that the GB isnt going to have a limit on spotsWithin reason, as posted a few pages back
waiting for approval...SKB3????? Leaks?
btw, don't look for "SKB2", it has a new name now ;)
Approval can take a while. Dont stay up waiting for it :)
Wait I not very smart but where is the shop link? :-XShould be in the group buy section soon.
Ahhhhhhhh makes sense thanks amigo.Wait I not very smart but where is the shop link? :-XShould be in the group buy section soon.
Now to chew on some coffee powder while that happens.
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Amazing to see that GB is soon, any idea on how you are gonna contact early bird buyers regarding additional payment and layout choices? Also asking if early bird buyers can buy a second kit.
Yes, I figured that out.
Once the shop opens, early birds will have to set up a user account. This way I can make a coupon for that individual account. Early birds payed 110€, they would get a 130€ coupon code, so they save 20€. Sounds good?
And yes, sure they can add whatever they want.
Did you contact GH support prior to the GB thread or, can it take a bit to be approved?
With everyone saying they are refreshing and stuff, is this something I need to buy instant or can I just buy it tomorrow no worries ?You can safely buy this tomorrow, or the day after, or 3 weeks from now. Some people get over hyped, no matter how many times you explain it.
With everyone saying they are refreshing and stuff, is this something I need to buy instant or can I just buy it tomorrow no worries ?You can safely buy this tomorrow, or the day after, or 3 weeks from now. Some people get over hyped, no matter how many times you explain it.
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It'd be nice if there's a numpad with a potential SKB3 or a re-run of SKB2 (although that'd mean that if I go 95% now, like I intend to, I'd have to buy a 75% and a numpad on the next round, and my wallet will hate me).
Wow just stumbled across this; what an incredible effort! Absolutely love the fact that this is being offered so affordably, with robust materials and a PCB, and with a myriad of options.Wtf we have customer support on here nowadays?
Very interested and happy to support innovative yet affordable keyboards.
Dear PlastikSchnittstelle
Any news on the evaluation of the brass version?
With kind regards