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Title: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:09:41
GB THREAD LIVE:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113905.0


WELCOME TO:
(https://i.imgur.com/mR3qvH3.png)

TOTALLY BODACIOUS IDEA BRO
Right on man! The 80s were huge for me. Firstly, I was born in the 80s, and thanks to my older siblings I grew up playing the 1986 Sega classic and love everything about the Retrowave iconography. Thus, GMK Retrowave was born.This is unashamedly out there 80s. Bright, fluorescent colours. Unmistakable retrowave novelties and ultimately a bit of fun! Excellent.

Now, to set the scene:
Its 1987. You’ve just come off Venice beach on a hot July afternoon as the sun is setting. But your day has only just begun. You run to the arcade. You grab a cola, your quarters and head to your favourite seat. You strap in, load your coins, hands on the wheel and wait. 3….2….1…. DRIVE.
You pass each car with ease, changing the station on the radio as you note the time left on your clock. You speed up level by level as day turns to night but you’re not slowing down. You look out beyond the cyan palm trees, towards the jagged hills as their glow increases and you begin to dream. It’s just you, your F40 and a never ending road, driving towards that neon sun.
 

PRICING:
(https://i.imgur.com/TuRq0vw.png)

BASE KIT:
(https://imgur.com/dfYMGKl.jpg)
I like big base kits and I cannot lie. Numpad and UK-ISO in base. This is the 80s, small kits aren't a thing yet.


KATAKANA ALPHAS:
(https://imgur.com/rrlOQNd.jpg)
Bring in the essence of those neon signs on a Tokyo night, with these replacement alphas.

BARS:
(https://imgur.com/3NqPhHd.jpg)
Let's hope these are flat? But if not I made them yellow, like a banana.

NOVELTIES:
(https://i.imgur.com/MWqmY2b.jpg)

COMPACT:
(https://imgur.com/y4gUReg.jpg)
Compatibility for those who, for whatever reason, do not like using an actual keyboard


DESKMAT: OUTRUN
(https://i.imgur.com/Y7pqvhQ.jpg)

DESKMAT: RETRO
(https://i.imgur.com/XYZCqO0.jpg)

RAMA x RETROWAVE SUN
(https://i.imgur.com/AVeaxYT.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MEgq0EH.png)
Probably the single most identifiable piece of the iconography.

RAMA x RETROWAVE SHOE
(https://i.imgur.com/tr3Deyr.png)

RENDERS:
HH60 by Hong Hobbies:
(https://i.imgur.com/2J6ifUV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sVfygKA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qelgHRB.jpg)

Evolv by Alpha Studios:
(https://i.imgur.com/dtZuk1Z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EjRFstg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CY3HKSB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qsREBFx.jpg)

U80 by RAMA WORKS
(https://i.imgur.com/huzP09n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3BZxuYq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sv6Rx3E.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M6dqNLY.jpg)

VENDORS:
USA: :::PROJECT KEYBOARD:::
LATAM: :::FANCY CUSTOMS:::
CANADA: :::DESKHERO:::
EUROPE: :::CANDY KEYS:::
United Kingdom: :::PROTOTYPIST:::
OCEANIA: :::SWITCHKEYS:::
ASIA: :::MONOKEI:::
CHINA: :::ZFRONTIER:::

GROUP BUY START:
Early 2021.

A SPECIAL THANKS:
- Firstly to OCM for his brilliant work on the novelties, honestly a master craftsmen. Wishing you the best of luck as you pursue your priorities outside of this industry.
- Nathanalphaman for almost going blind when I first showed him this set.. Since then admitting it's grown on him.. Slightly. You're a true friend man, ily.
- PTR for the awesome intro graphics and video teaser.

JOIN OUR DISCORD:
discord.gg/switchkeys (http://discord.gg/switchkeys)

FORUM SIG:
Thanks to Havattack
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CHANGELOG:
13th October: IC START
15th October: Added IC Form
25th December: Added some Vendors. Added Sinpra Collab
13th February: Finalised Kitting
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: JKNY on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:11:35
Looks great, beautiful set I'm in
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: JumpStream on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:15:17
Can't wait for it

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Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: ptrrr on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:15:31
Interested!
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: yoot on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:16:07
This looks pretty good but maybe try and design a more unique deskmat? A lot of deskmats look exactly like that
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: webstersx on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:18:43
100% in!
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: JoltFX on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:22:52
I’ve stuck to more clean simple kits but I think it’s time I go for it!! Now just for the right board to complement


“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Demagine on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:46:03
I'm getting analog dreams vibes, which means I'm 100% in :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: lanox on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:52:31
Looks amazing @switchkeys.
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: popkorn62 on Mon, 12 October 2020, 20:55:24
This set is so loud and I’m here for it!!
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Rebral on Mon, 12 October 2020, 21:08:24
keyset: Yup
deskmat: Yup
RAMA cap: Yup

I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: darthcapn on Mon, 12 October 2020, 21:27:42
Dang looks RAD! Gonna pair it with Alexotos' MECH mat!

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Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Agilr on Mon, 12 October 2020, 21:35:05
Hey! Just noticed a few inaccuracies with the renders:
GL with the IC Stef!

EDIT: Thanks for clearing up these for me NathanAlphaMan, guess you learn something new everyday :)
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: spacecables on Mon, 12 October 2020, 22:16:25
Hello good sir, this is a simple confirmed acquisition for me.
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: belgium_waffles on Mon, 12 October 2020, 22:23:41
looks great, please consider daily clack as oce vendor!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: yenel on Mon, 12 October 2020, 22:51:47
Absolutely loving the outrun vibes I'm getting from this - not every set makes me instantly want to buy it, but this one does! Props for the huge base kit
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Surostu on Mon, 12 October 2020, 22:57:30
looks great, please consider daily clack as oce vendor!  :thumb:

 :thumb: :cool:

Anyway, keen as for this. Id cop one of everything, but an even better idea is an alternate alpha kit, instead of seperate kata subs. Then i'll be all in.
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Ashardalon on Mon, 12 October 2020, 23:05:28
You know I'm here to show love and support for a good mate. Glad to see the IC drop!
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: MrBingo on Mon, 12 October 2020, 23:09:34
i love this set, give me 2 of ech  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: LZRD on Mon, 12 October 2020, 23:20:01
Love the set Stef, pls listen to Stew about the alternate base kit idea though!  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: CAZ on Mon, 12 October 2020, 23:36:16
Love the set Stef, pls listen to Stew about the alternate base kit idea though!  :cool:

For once i agree with LZRD and Stew
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 13 October 2020, 01:36:23
That RAMA key is a must.  DOnt love the Mods, they are too bright for me but the overall idea is cool.
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 13 October 2020, 01:51:00
Kinda looks like KAT Slurp (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108069.0)... but without the compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: zakatak on Tue, 13 October 2020, 04:43:00
This looks pretty good but maybe try and design a more unique deskmat? A lot of deskmats look exactly like that
agreed. The deskmat rn is extremely generic

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Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: huey on Tue, 13 October 2020, 06:01:35
Hey man, interesting set. Not at all my thing but I'm sure this will be killer for some people.

I have one suggestion for you; In your J-01 ISO render (thanks for adding one  :) ) the ISO R3 and R4 keys are discrepant. The base kit suggests that you are going full UK-ISO (which is great!) but the render does not follow suit. Not a serious sin and was probably just a mix up when rendering, though it's probably in your best interest to make a small amendment to it.

Best of luck with your IC!

Title: Re: [IC]GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 13 October 2020, 06:41:23
The compact kit description cracks me up. But seriously, work with a 40’s user to fine tune that kit. Great colors. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: constantinos on Tue, 13 October 2020, 10:42:19
Very interesting set. I would seriously consider going for it. Also loved the 80s
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: norb on Tue, 13 October 2020, 16:00:25
flamingos and palm trees yeah boiii after laser and vaporwave this is a 100% buy :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: binepad on Tue, 13 October 2020, 16:16:11
Color combination is fab!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Tue, 13 October 2020, 16:20:29
I would love to see some orange or teal incorporated in here. Or a volt/UV green instead of the yellow even.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: productkun on Tue, 13 October 2020, 17:19:17
The colours hurt my eyes, i love it!
Rama's are also quite amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: WejB on Wed, 14 October 2020, 08:03:36
Set looks amazing, nice and bright. But i am with Stew and the boys on this one. it needs to be a full alt base kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Wed, 14 October 2020, 08:28:30
Looks nice. That Rama looks sick too! Will just wait for GB Dates.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Allkchi on Wed, 14 October 2020, 10:46:32
This set is so aggressively bright and I love it. Those RAMA keys are PRIMO. Would have to go buy programmable LEDs along with this, then re-map ESC to be a script so when I press that sweet, sweet RAMA it would change all the lights to a Retrowave color scheme and start playing that song from the video in the original post  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: SwitchKeys on Wed, 14 October 2020, 19:32:31
Thanks so much for the early comments guys. We've just added an IC form if you'd like to share any feedback we can keep a hold of.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe-qPzP1fNMIC0FeT0jPn70HnjqjJGTwNeSExbNs3L33colBQ/viewform

I'll be reviewing all feedback and comments here - I hear your comments about the deskmat, for those looking for something else unique we've hopefully got some good news to share soon

Many thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 14 October 2020, 21:05:18
Obligatory video, before anyone calls this a vaporwave set:


The colors you've picked are very nice and vibrant, and they are the colors representative of Outrun aesthetics. Great job there. Also, the artisans are fantastic. I'm not a fan of the novelties, but that's not to say that they aren't done well, too.

As for the kitting, it's quite good, but there is still room for improvement. Here are some suggestions for your consideration:

Base kit
Looks good for the most part, the most glaring thing is the lack of a R4 1.25u Fn key.

Katakana alphas kit
Almost perfect! There is just one small omission.

Bars kit
Looks good.

Compact kit
This one's a doozy. It's getting late, and I have work in the morning, so I'm going to leave this one for next time :D



All in all, I think this is a great looking and well executed set, which I have no doubt will do well come GB time. Additionally, I hope you will find the above information useful when making adjustments to the kits. Happy to hear your thoughts and answer any questions.

Edit: grammar
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 15 October 2020, 23:12:20
Agree on making space bar not yellow.. or just getting rid of all the yellow..Me HATE yellow with a passion. But either way, this might be the best pink, and the best 80's/cyberpunk/retrowave/whatever set I've seen yet. Absolutely love it. Only way it could be better, is in SA profile to go with retro theme... and becasue SA is the best thing ever.
Title: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Thu, 15 October 2020, 23:19:24
I made a crappy render with some alternative colors, and a more orange toned spacebar and arrows. Idk if that is frowned upon but really love this set and want to give my thoughts as I will more than likely be buying. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201016/8c09a49a0df3ef791160eb25b9772e59.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Surostu on Thu, 15 October 2020, 23:31:36
Keep yellow. Add cyan alternate accents.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Araset on Fri, 16 October 2020, 15:10:14
I made a crappy render with some alternative colors, and a more orange toned spacebar and arrows. Idk if that is frowned upon but really love this set and want to give my thoughts as I will more than likely be buying.
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+1, I like the concept very much, but I too would prefer some more orange and blue on the mods in order to cover more of the outrun color palette

Edit, forgot to tell what I really like: Rama Artisans (both of them, I'm getting one of the two variants for sure), all the novelties and the katakana option
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 16 October 2020, 15:22:12
Keep yellow. Add cyan alternate accents.  :thumb:

YES! THIS! (Well the second part anyway.... booooo yellow booo!) lol

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 16 October 2020, 15:35:57
How do I add this to my signature? (what's the link)
Edit: Never-mind, figured it out. Here it is:

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: T.Pineapples on Mon, 19 October 2020, 09:15:03
Can someone please confirm I'm not a weeb if I buy the katakana alphas, k ty. Very cool set btw.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: ninjacore on Mon, 19 October 2020, 09:45:33
1.5u Super(s) in the "big" base kit would be rad
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Wickles on Mon, 19 October 2020, 10:28:05
Beautiful set, I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 19 October 2020, 11:40:31
Can someone please confirm I'm not a weeb if I buy the katakana alphas, k ty. Very cool set btw.

I don't care. Sub-legends are awesome, Moon symbols, communist letters, whatever the specific sub-legend is, I'm getting it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Schmack on Mon, 19 October 2020, 15:11:19
Definitely going to be watching out for this one! I like the colors on it a lot!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Kotairo on Tue, 20 October 2020, 03:35:45
I’m 100% in. 80s art and music is my thing. Purple my favorite color. I’m sold.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: ..//dexx on Tue, 20 October 2020, 04:04:25
Gonna keep my eye on this set. Love the colors. And I'm a sucker for the theme.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Guvnor on Wed, 21 October 2020, 18:27:23
Hooooly moly! The best looking set ever!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 21 October 2020, 20:31:03
I think you should make the Katakana sub-legend alpha's part of the basic set, it just goes too well with this theme.. Anyone else?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Wed, 21 October 2020, 22:10:40
I think you should make the Katakana sub-legend alpha's part of the basic set, it just goes too well with this theme.. Anyone else?
Gonna have to pass on that one


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: udller on Thu, 22 October 2020, 01:03:04
has a vendor ever done an ic then turned out to run the gb throught another vendor? this looks cool.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: srslyshinobi on Thu, 22 October 2020, 14:29:32
I think you should make the Katakana sub-legend alpha's part of the basic set, it just goes too well with this theme.. Anyone else?

I support that completely.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Kotairo on Thu, 22 October 2020, 20:42:03
I think you should make the Katakana sub-legend alpha's part of the basic set, it just goes too well with this theme.. Anyone else?

I support that completely.
I’d say just have it as an option, I’ve seen GBs with 2 alpha options for the base. I’d be one of the Katakana folks <3


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 22 October 2020, 21:06:47
I think you should make the Katakana sub-legend alpha's part of the basic set, it just goes too well with this theme.. Anyone else?

I support that completely.
I’d say just have it as an option, I’ve seen GBs with 2 alpha options for the base. I’d be one of the Katakana folks <3

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That works too, divide the modifiers and alphas up. It just sucks having to buy 2 sets of alphas, when i'm only going to use one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Guvnor on Thu, 22 October 2020, 21:26:52
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Somebody on my Discord suggested doing a render with this set and Cerakotes Lollypop, Prison Pink and Corvette yellow. Turned out nice.

Turned out better than I could have imagined! Thanks for the renders!

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: grundlemere on Fri, 23 October 2020, 08:45:41
Somebody on my Discord suggested doing a render with this set and Cerakotes Lollypop, Prison Pink and Corvette yellow. Turned out nice.

This keyset is so rad. Definitely going to be a grab for me.

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Looks cool, except those aren't the real legends. Had you thought about maybe getting in touch with the runner to ask for the render files? If you're gonna promote your keyboard on someone else's IC, it seems like good courtesy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Current Keyboards on Fri, 23 October 2020, 14:10:56
Somebody on my Discord suggested doing a render with this set and Cerakotes Lollypop, Prison Pink and Corvette yellow. Turned out nice.

This keyset is so rad. Definitely going to be a grab for me.

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Looks cool, except those aren't the real legends. Had you thought about maybe getting in touch with the runner to ask for the render files? If you're gonna promote your keyboard on someone else's IC, it seems like good courtesy.

Not really trying to promote anything. Just quick and dirty renders for fun with what I had based on a Discord suggestion and thought I'd share.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 23 October 2020, 14:13:03
Somebody on my Discord suggested doing a render with this set and Cerakotes Lollypop, Prison Pink and Corvette yellow. Turned out nice.

This keyset is so rad. Definitely going to be a grab for me.

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Looks cool, except those aren't the real legends. Had you thought about maybe getting in touch with the runner to ask for the render files? If you're gonna promote your keyboard on someone else's IC, it seems like good courtesy.

Not really trying to promote anything. Just quick and dirty renders for fun with what I had based on a Discord suggestion and thought I'd share.

You shouldn't of paid that any attention, your "courtesy" was perfectly find.  It was rather obvious you were just messing around, and not trying to "promote" anything. I  didn't see you even  mention the name of your board or a link to it.
And you did an awesome job too.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: grundlemere on Fri, 23 October 2020, 16:19:13
Whether this is fine is really up to the designer of this set, which is why the proper thing would have been to ask first. I won’t speak for him, but I will say that if someone took one of my designs that I worked very hard to create, and stripped all the nuance out of the legends and presented it as-is, I’d be pretty unhappy to have what amount to low-quality copies floating around that I now have to answer for and explain why they look different from my own renders and the final product. Conversely, if someone were to ask nicely for my keyset art and use them faithfully in their own renders, I’d be thrilled to share them.

Playing around is fine, but if they’re not your toys, ask first.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 23 October 2020, 22:41:49
I won’t speak for him,
... LOL!
"Whether this is fine is really up to the designer of this set" Is it? (Honest question, i think it probably is, or at least in this thread it is, but I like advocating for the devil.) If i want to make a render of this set on a cheese grater, and draw it out of crayons, who's going to stop me, how can they stop me, and MOST importantly, WHY should they be able to stop me? Pretty sure i can take ANY artist work, and modify it however i want, legally, and morally, becasue it leaves the original intact.
But really, that was so obviously an okay thing to do, it's silly to think he would have to/should ask. If anything, he's doing him a favor, and no one ask permission before giving a present.
It's absurd that you think you would "have to answer" for someone making poor quality renders of a set you designed, or that anyone would even ask you to. People go to threads like these for the renders, WHERE the creator has complete control over what he shows under his original post.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: grundlemere on Sat, 24 October 2020, 12:38:57
I won’t speak for him,
Pretty sure i can take ANY artist work, and modify it however i want, legally, and morally, becasue it leaves the original intact.

Bruh
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 24 October 2020, 12:44:45
I won’t speak for him,
Pretty sure i can take ANY artist work, and modify it however i want, legally, and morally, becasue it leaves the original intact.

Bruh

If i make a copy of the Mona Lisa, how does that alter the original... bruh? (It doesn't, obviously.)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Surostu on Sat, 24 October 2020, 17:38:47
Yo! can we talk about the set please. Keep this crap on reddit lol.

How are the survey results going Stef?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: SwitchKeys on Sun, 25 October 2020, 06:51:42
Hey guys!
We are still working through all the data, and are almost ready for the first round of modifications. We've also been in talks with several vendors and hope to lock down the team very soon.


Things I am working on:

- Dropping numpad from base (It's clear from the data this is a good call. Plus, it will help us as we aim to hit a large MOQ to compound the slimmer kit for even better pricing)

- Fixing a couple of rendering errors (Numpad 00 for to name one)

- Fixing the 40s kit

- Going through Konstantin's notes in detail

- The next 2 deskmats (A not-insignificant amount of people aren't crazy on it as it stands. I hear you! This one is slated for the RGB offering, and I am busy penning the others for see how they are received)

- Experimenting with another accent kit. I know a lot of you said you'd like Cyan. I won't be replacing the yellow with it, but i'm not against the possibility of offering an accents kit if I think it works.

 :)

*EDIT* Deskmat protos have arrived. I have the RGB Version too which I haven't unboxed yet. Contrast looks great.
(https://i.imgur.com/VZhPt7c.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Sun, 25 October 2020, 11:07:25
Hey guys!
We are still working through all the data, and are almost ready for the first round of modifications. We've also been in talks with several vendors and hope to lock down the team very soon.


Things I am working on:

- Dropping numpad from base (It's clear from the data this is a good call. Plus, it will help us as we aim to hit a large MOQ to compound the slimmer kit for even better pricing)

- Fixing a couple of rendering errors (Numpad 00 for to name one)

- Fixing the 40s kit

- Going through Konstantin's notes in detail

- The next 2 deskmats (A not-insignificant amount of people aren't crazy on it as it stands. I hear you! This one is slated for the RGB offering, and I am busy penning the others for see how they are received)

- Experimenting with another accent kit. I know a lot of you said you'd like Cyan. I won't be replacing the yellow with it, but i'm not against the possibility of offering an accents kit if I think it works.

 :)
Thank you for the update and a possible cyan kit


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 25 October 2020, 12:57:56
Hell Yeah! I too thank you for the possible Cyan! I wonder if it would be possible to do a chrome accent, (or whether it might look tacky..) I guess you could collab with Rama or something  on some brushed aluminum enter, esc, arrows, and space bar keys, to achieve the look.
Like in the NewWaveRetro label:

Also please add pink (modifier color) space bars, and the option to have then entire f-row in the modifier pink color ( I don't understand why almost every set forces me to make the separate f clusters different colors..)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Surostu on Sun, 25 October 2020, 16:08:58
I approve of all of these changes  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: CAZ on Sun, 25 October 2020, 21:50:15
I cry for my fallen numpad, but happy to hear changes are in the works
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2020, 02:19:34
I still think thematically you could try to differentiate the set a bit more from others that already exist within the retrowave genre.

We already have a set with a sun novelty, a cassette novelty, the deskmat looks very much like a very common wallpaper thats been floating around a few years now.

The colors are great, the addition of yellow is rad (a very underused color IMO  :thumb:) but I wish the theme were more creative so it would really set this set apart from other sets. You've mentioned the video game consoles being a big part of what you remember, and I'd totally look at going down that path as a theme. Quarters, tokens, tickets, the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

Not only is it good etiquette to try to provide working lanes for other sets that already exist, but I just think this is such a rich and relatively unexplored genre I'd like to see more unique aspects to it as a set, and think that would be fairly easy to do and make this a really good set at the same time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: paysen on Mon, 26 October 2020, 12:13:40
Add NORDE and count me in <3 Such a nice looking design. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Mon, 26 October 2020, 14:43:49
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Guvnor on Mon, 26 October 2020, 15:18:50
I still think thematically you could try to differentiate the set a bit more from others that already exist within the retrowave genre.

We already have a set with a sun novelty, a cassette novelty, the deskmat looks very much like a very common wallpaper thats been floating around a few years now.

I don't care what has been made. I care about something I can actually get :D This kit looks just 100% perfect, and doesn't need any changes.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: SwitchKeys on Mon, 26 October 2020, 16:19:55
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)


Yes. :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: _PixelNinja on Mon, 26 October 2020, 16:41:15
Any chance of you adding another R4 1u Alt and two R4 1.5u Super keys for MX HHKB bottom row (1u Alt, 1.5u OS, 7u spacebar, 1.5u OS, 1u Alt)?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Mon, 26 October 2020, 16:47:58
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)


Yes. :eek:
I’d love to help design


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 26 October 2020, 17:26:58
I still think thematically you could try to differentiate the set a bit more from others that already exist within the retrowave genre.

We already have a set with a sun novelty, a cassette novelty, the deskmat looks very much like a very common wallpaper thats been floating around a few years now.

I don't care what has been made. I care about something I can actually get :D This kit looks just 100% perfect, and doesn't need any changes.
I second this. Some of us haven't been able to get some/any of the sets that guy mentions. Add more novelties if you wish, but please don't remove any.
It's silly how obsessed some people are with being "different" or unique. Sure, other set are similar, there are only so many colors out there (good ones at least), but this set does it BETTER.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Wickles on Tue, 27 October 2020, 09:14:33
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)


Oh god please make this!   ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: grundlemere on Tue, 27 October 2020, 12:41:31
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)


I'm gonna need this. If this doesn't get made for this set, you need to run it. Fantastic.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Current Keyboards on Tue, 27 October 2020, 12:44:21
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)


Yes. :eek:

That's a big ol' yup from me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Tue, 27 October 2020, 13:04:33
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)


I'm gonna need this. If this doesn't get made for this set, you need to run it. Fantastic.
Will definitely keep that in mind!


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Araset on Tue, 27 October 2020, 13:43:53
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)



Big Up!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 28 October 2020, 11:33:12
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)


Yes. :eek:

That's a big ol' yup from me.

Def interested in getting this deskmat even I don't grab the set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: ilikerustoo on Wed, 28 October 2020, 14:59:09
I still think thematically you could try to differentiate the set a bit more from others that already exist within the retrowave genre.

We already have a set with a sun novelty, a cassette novelty, the deskmat looks very much like a very common wallpaper thats been floating around a few years now.

The colors are great, the addition of yellow is rad (a very underused color IMO  :thumb:) but I wish the theme were more creative so it would really set this set apart from other sets. You've mentioned the video game consoles being a big part of what you remember, and I'd totally look at going down that path as a theme. Quarters, tokens, tickets, the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

Not only is it good etiquette to try to provide working lanes for other sets that already exist, but I just think this is such a rich and relatively unexplored genre I'd like to see more unique aspects to it as a set, and think that would be fairly easy to do and make this a really good set at the same time.

While I think it is fair to ask to differentiate the set a little more, I believe that that colours are already different enough. I would not confuse this set with others like laser, vaporwave, or analog dreams, and I feel regardless of differentiation of theme or not, most would buy the set based on the choice/appeal of colours. As for the novelties, I think they are completely fine. They represent the set for what it is - a retrowave set. I do agree some video games novelties would be cool but it depends on what they are and I feel like maybe another set with different colours would suit the 80s arcade theme more, which I believe is already in the works and would once again 'conflict' with another set. Some of the current novelties are also simply too iconic to the genre to not reference or include.

I agree that we should have good etiquette in regards to provide working lanes for other sets but the flip side of that is that sets should not limit the number of creative takes on an genre, especially with one that has numerous very similar (yet different) sub-genres that tie in to a common theme - e.g sunset novelty. Is the big difference in colours compared to other sets not enough to provide a safe working lane for other sets? Is a there a set in specific you are referring to where there might be a conflict? Are the novelties an issue? Just trying to understand a little more.

Note: Not trying to be hostile :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Surostu on Thu, 29 October 2020, 03:45:24

I agree that we should have good etiquette in regards to provide working lanes for other sets but the flip side of that is that sets should not limit the number of creative takes on an genre, especially with one that has numerous very similar (yet different) sub-genres that tie in to a common theme - e.g sunset novelty. Is the big difference in colours compared to other sets not enough to provide a safe working lane for other sets? Is a there a set in specific you are referring to where there might be a conflict? Are the novelties an issue? Just trying to understand a little more.

Note: Not trying to be hostile :thumb:

I think this is a perfect take on this. No one should be able to own iconography that has been around for decades. Well said.

If it was a straight rip, then sure, but it clearly isn't.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 29 October 2020, 13:13:56
I still think thematically you could try to differentiate the set a bit more from others that already exist within the retrowave genre.

We already have a set with a sun novelty, a cassette novelty, the deskmat looks very much like a very common wallpaper thats been floating around a few years now.

The colors are great, the addition of yellow is rad (a very underused color IMO  :thumb:) but I wish the theme were more creative so it would really set this set apart from other sets. You've mentioned the video game consoles being a big part of what you remember, and I'd totally look at going down that path as a theme. Quarters, tokens, tickets, the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

Not only is it good etiquette to try to provide working lanes for other sets that already exist, but I just think this is such a rich and relatively unexplored genre I'd like to see more unique aspects to it as a set, and think that would be fairly easy to do and make this a really good set at the same time.

While I think it is fair to ask to differentiate the set a little more, I believe that that colours are already different enough. I would not confuse this set with others like laser, vaporwave, or analog dreams, and I feel regardless of differentiation of theme or not, most would buy the set based on the choice/appeal of colours. As for the novelties, I think they are completely fine. They represent the set for what it is - a retrowave set. I do agree some video games novelties would be cool but it depends on what they are and I feel like maybe another set with different colours would suit the 80s arcade theme more, which I believe is already in the works and would once again 'conflict' with another set. Some of the current novelties are also simply too iconic to the genre to not reference or include.

I agree that we should have good etiquette in regards to provide working lanes for other sets but the flip side of that is that sets should not limit the number of creative takes on an genre, especially with one that has numerous very similar (yet different) sub-genres that tie in to a common theme - e.g sunset novelty. Is the big difference in colours compared to other sets not enough to provide a safe working lane for other sets? Is a there a set in specific you are referring to where there might be a conflict? Are the novelties an issue? Just trying to understand a little more.

Note: Not trying to be hostile :thumb:

Word b, word.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: OmniSzron on Sun, 01 November 2020, 11:39:14
This is very dope and true to the retrowave a e s t h e t i c... But one thing here is really bothering me. The setting sun legend and graphic.

Look at the caps:

(https://i.imgur.com/guXkWtz.png) (https://i.imgur.com/JzEYjF3.png)

The look the roughly the same. Stripes start at 50% of the height of the circle. But then you get the deskmat:

(https://i.imgur.com/gS16RNf.png)

See the difference? Here, the stripes start at about 70-75% of the sphere's height. That's a bit tilting, but that's not all.

The other problem with these stripes is that they're uniform in thickness, which gives a completely different vibe. Instead of looking like the setting sun reflecting on the surface of the ocean, they look like the sun is being observed through horizontal blinds. Something like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/VQzi4Ob.png)

Now, that in itself isn't that bad and certainly fits with the retrowave aesthetic, but I belive the way more iconic retrowave look is "the reflection", where the stripes gradually get thicker, like here:

(https://i.imgur.com/RtBVJRF.png)

This is because both vaporwave and retrowave/outrun are design aesthetics based on gradients. the horizontal lines are a way of approximating a gradient without using more than one color. Using them also creates this nifty transition of the circle slowly dissolving instead of just being obscured by bars.

To help illustrate what I mean here, I fired up the ol' Illustrator and made a quick mockup of how I believe the "classic" retrowave setting sun should look:

(https://i.imgur.com/j0OiyOf.png)

If OP doesn't want to change the symbol or can't (due to technical restrictions), then I would at least ask to make the design consistent between the caps and the deskmat. :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: NathanAlphaMan on Sun, 01 November 2020, 12:32:53
This is very dope and true to the retrowave a e s t h e t i c... But one thing here is really bothering me. The setting sun legend and graphic.

Look at the caps:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/guXkWtz.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/JzEYjF3.png)


The look the roughly the same. Stripes start at 50% of the height of the circle. But then you get the deskmat:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/gS16RNf.png)


See the difference? Here, the stripes start at about 70-75% of the sphere's height. That's a bit tilting, but that's not all.

The other problem with these stripes is that they're uniform in thickness, which gives a completely different vibe. Instead of looking like the setting sun reflecting on the surface of the ocean, they look like the sun is being observed through horizontal blinds. Something like this:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/VQzi4Ob.png)


Now, that in itself isn't that bad and certainly fits with the retrowave aesthetic, but I belive the way more iconic retrowave look is "the reflection", where the stripes gradually get thicker, like here:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RtBVJRF.png)


This is because both vaporwave and retrowave/outrun are design aesthetics based on gradients. the horizontal lines are a way of approximating a gradient without using more than one color. Using them also creates this nifty transition of the circle slowly dissolving instead of just being obscured by bars.

To help illustrate what I mean here, I fired up the ol' Illustrator and made a quick mockup of how I believe the "classic" retrowave setting sun should look:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/j0OiyOf.png)


If OP doesn't want to change the symbol or can't (due to technical restrictions), then I would at least ask to make the design consistent between the caps and the deskmat. :)

I told you Stef :p

I personally don't have strong feelings going one way or another, but I do agree with you that the gradient sun is nicer and more symbolic of the retrowave genre. Furthermore, it helps distance the cap from Laser's sun by a bit
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 01 November 2020, 22:36:24
This is very dope and true to the retrowave a e s t h e t i c... But one thing here is really bothering me. The setting sun legend and graphic.

Look at the caps:


And I thought i was OCD... I can almost guarantee you, you are the only one that noticed that...But now that you've pointed it out to me, I can honestly say, that I could not care less. Sorry.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: varzaman on Mon, 02 November 2020, 09:16:32
I actually noticed it too and agree with the other guy :P


The colors look awesome though. It is really gonna pop.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 02 November 2020, 13:09:25
I actually noticed it too and agree with the other guy :P


The colors look awesome though. It is really gonna pop.

Well, never mind then. I stand corrected.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: vaf1en on Mon, 30 November 2020, 11:58:18
Yes, yes, yes. The answer is yes!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: RUN_GMSEE on Mon, 30 November 2020, 12:37:47
LOVE the deskmat :-*
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: smackyp on Mon, 30 November 2020, 16:02:07
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)


Oh my god. That would make for a brilliant deskmat.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Mon, 30 November 2020, 16:59:50
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.

YES!
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)


Oh my god. That would make for a brilliant deskmat.
I do have an IC up for these


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: Adqam64 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:02:22
I'm super keen on this set, and love that ISO-UK is represented in the base kit (making it a must buy!).  I'm keen on the katakana alphas, too, but at the moment there are no ISO-UK equivalents there.  Is there any chance of those being added?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. FIRST DESKMAT PROTO PIC INSIDE
Post by: CookieFlow on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:55:28
Love the idea, maybe a bit too loud for me but who knows.
But same as a few others, I am really not feeling the yellow. Hoping for some cyan or another color, but not yellow
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: parzival418 on Thu, 03 December 2020, 16:48:41
I would love to see some orange or teal incorporated in here. Or a volt/UV green instead of the yellow even.

I concur with this!  I would love to see some orange keys in there similar to the color at the bottom of the sun.  Or maybe orange legends on the caps.

Definitely going to pick this up! Sad I missed the GMK Lasers and these are right up the same alley.  Keep it up!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: SwitchKeys on Fri, 04 December 2020, 20:18:51
Hey guys! Just chiming in to say I am reading through each and every comment here and in the IC form.
I am busy presenting some alternate forms to existing kits and will update soon when they are finalised.

Thanks everyone who's taken the time to offer feedback. I am hoping to wrap up all the kits this month so we can push on.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Bringing a piece of 1986 to 2021.
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 04 December 2020, 21:24:23
I would love to see some orange or teal incorporated in here. Or a volt/UV green instead of the yellow even.

I concur with this!  I would love to see some orange keys in there similar to the color at the bottom of the sun.  Or maybe orange legends on the caps.

Definitely going to pick this up! Sad I missed the GMK Lasers and these are right up the same alley.  Keep it up!

There's some gmk lasers on ebay right now, and the R2 should be shipping out in the next month or so, and there will be more for sale then. I will probably sell mine (managed to score the SA version off the bay, and i prefer that profile to gmk, just wish i could trade my gmk novelties for the SA ones..)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: KiwiAhhhh on Sun, 06 December 2020, 08:53:53
very sexy and wild colorway keycap set :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: clackeys on Sun, 06 December 2020, 17:12:29
This is a bright looking set, kinda interested.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Galakc on Mon, 07 December 2020, 14:48:55
Katakana kit is to die for...I love this set
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: mdoersam on Mon, 07 December 2020, 16:40:53
Really amazing! NorDE is all that is missing  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Adqam64 on Mon, 07 December 2020, 18:23:06
Do we have any idea when in 2021 this will launch?  Just trying to budget around other GBs.  Even if you could say "Not January or February" that would be helpful!  Looking forward to putting this on the sunsetter.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: kastymizilian on Thu, 10 December 2020, 10:21:37
love it, will follow the project
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Ella on Fri, 11 December 2020, 05:36:02
This is super sick!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 11 December 2020, 11:38:41
If there was ever a kit to buy extras of for re-selling on ebay, or the market, it would be this one. People are going to be clamoring for this thing after the GB is over, all the time. There's going to be a lot of people just getting into the hobby, asking "where can i get this!?," "Will there be a R2," " I can't believe i missed this" "I just had to get in to this hobby a month after this is released!", etc etc.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 12 December 2020, 22:05:41
I forgot something.

Please have the option to choose a base kit with the alphas or a base kit with the katakanas.

I really don't think separate "alphas" work for GMK due to price. I really feel a vast majority of people would only use 1 of the two.
At least I would only buy this set with a base kit that includes the katakanas.

If I am forced to buy a base kit with alphas and get the katakanas separately, that will be way over 200$ and it would also mean that I would leave like 90% of the base set keys in the box which feels like such a waste.
If you also go for the novelties, and want katakanas and use a 65% or under you'd probably be using under 10 keys from the base kit.

Same thing happened recently with Hanami Dango set. I loved it, but wanted the Hiraganas and not Alphas, but they were sold separately and I can't justify spending over 200$ for it and also leave 90+% of the base kit unused.
Had there been the option to buy a base hiraganas kit I would have joined the GB day one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 13 December 2020, 11:03:53
I forgot something.

Please have the option to choose a base kit with the alphas or a base kit with the katakanas.

I really don't think separate "alphas" work for GMK due to price. I really feel a vast majority of people would only use 1 of the two.
At least I would only buy this set with a base kit that includes the katakanas.

If I am forced to buy a base kit with alphas and get the katakanas separately, that will be way over 200$ and it would also mean that I would leave like 90% of the base set keys in the box which feels like such a waste.
If you also go for the novelties, and want katakanas and use a 65% or under you'd probably be using under 10 keys from the base kit.

Same thing happened recently with Hanami Dango set. I loved it, but wanted the Hiraganas and not Alphas, but they were sold separately and I can't justify spending over 200$ for it and also leave 90+% of the base kit unused.
Had there been the option to buy a base hiraganas kit I would have joined the GB day one.

I, for some reason, thought this had all ready been brought up, but he's exactly right. Please make either the modifiers and alphas separate kits, or have two base kits. It sucks being forced to buy the regular alphas when i'm not going to be using them.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: SwitchKeys on Sun, 13 December 2020, 15:25:40
Giving all the above some thought presently. One thing I'm not really keen on is offering two base kits because the goal will be a high MOQ on base. Having two of them cannibalises this goal (Unless your biip haha). Once we get through the business of the Christmas period it'll be easier to sit down and nut it out.

In any case, we've got vendors secured in most zones and are currently in talks for NA. With a bit of luck we can get this running in Q1 but will keep this updated as I get some more news.

For those who were wanting the Rev. 1 deskmat, I've commissioned a new artist who is busy working on a new design. The "Sunset" mat will not feature in a GB along this project, but will be available as an in-stock deskmat drop in early new year with Vendors in NA, Europe and Australia.

Stef

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: AllieBlairThomas on Sun, 13 December 2020, 17:41:12
God I love this set so much. Please take my money
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Fshizl on Sun, 13 December 2020, 17:44:05
This is my first post of many. I’m in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: CookieFlow on Sun, 13 December 2020, 18:29:00
Giving all the above some thought presently. One thing I'm not really keen on is offering two base kits because the goal will be a high MOQ on base. Having two of them cannibalises this goal (Unless your biip haha). Once we get through the business of the Christmas period it'll be easier to sit down and nut it out.

In any case, we've got vendors secured in most zones and are currently in talks for NA. With a bit of luck we can get this running in Q1 but will keep this updated as I get some more news.

For those who were wanting the Rev. 1 deskmat, I've commissioned a new artist who is busy working on a new design. The "Sunset" mat will not feature in a GB along this project, but will be available as an in-stock deskmat drop in early new year with Vendors in NA, Europe and Australia.

Stef

I am not a designer so I have no clue why a high MOQ is important, but I think these days all sets reach MOQ easily.
I also think due to the nature of the set that works very well with Japanese sub legends, that the split would be fairly close to 50/50 on who would prefer standard Alphas or Katakanas.

I really hope this can be reconsidered, or if there is only 1 base kit, to have the modifiers available as a separate kit for people wanting the Katakanas.

Looking at Hanami Dango the Hiragana alpha is 85$, and being forced into a 135$ base kit only to use a dozen of keys feels so bad.



And of course a small kit with some Cyan would be <3
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 13 December 2020, 19:59:18
Giving all the above some thought presently. One thing I'm not really keen on is offering two base kits because the goal will be a high MOQ on base. Having two of them cannibalises this goal (Unless your biip haha). Once we get through the business of the Christmas period it'll be easier to sit down and nut it out.

In any case, we've got vendors secured in most zones and are currently in talks for NA. With a bit of luck we can get this running in Q1 but will keep this updated as I get some more news.

For those who were wanting the Rev. 1 deskmat, I've commissioned a new artist who is busy working on a new design. The "Sunset" mat will not feature in a GB along this project, but will be available as an in-stock deskmat drop in early new year with Vendors in NA, Europe and Australia.

Stef
I don't think you're going to have ANY problem getting high MOQ  on this set.... I bet you'll be getting tons of request for rounds 2, etc, for years after.

Is there any reason GMK sets don't ever separate the mods and alphas into separate sets, so we could have 1 mod set, and then the 2 separate alpha sets?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: nvh2092 on Tue, 15 December 2020, 11:37:56
Giving all the above some thought presently. One thing I'm not really keen on is offering two base kits because the goal will be a high MOQ on base. Having two of them cannibalises this goal (Unless your biip haha). Once we get through the business of the Christmas period it'll be easier to sit down and nut it out.

In any case, we've got vendors secured in most zones and are currently in talks for NA. With a bit of luck we can get this running in Q1 but will keep this updated as I get some more news.

For those who were wanting the Rev. 1 deskmat, I've commissioned a new artist who is busy working on a new design. The "Sunset" mat will not feature in a GB along this project, but will be available as an in-stock deskmat drop in early new year with Vendors in NA, Europe and Australia.

Stef

I am not a designer so I have no clue why a high MOQ is important, but I think these days all sets reach MOQ easily.
I also think due to the nature of the set that works very well with Japanese sub legends, that the split would be fairly close to 50/50 on who would prefer standard Alphas or Katakanas.

I really hope this can be reconsidered, or if there is only 1 base kit, to have the modifiers available as a separate kit for people wanting the Katakanas.

Looking at Hanami Dango the Hiragana alpha is 85$, and being forced into a 135$ base kit only to use a dozen of keys feels so bad.



And of course a small kit with some Cyan would be <3
Higher MOQ means cheaper price, that way more people can afford it. 2 base kits will make it harder for runner to reach his goal. About the demand for this set during gb, it totally depends on the running period. Imagine you run a gb during last november when there are too many good sets, some of classic sets like yuri or grisanne were competed so hard because people made a choice to buy another good set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 15 December 2020, 16:29:59

So why can't the modifiers and alphas be split into separate sets?

And if there is only one complete base kit, and an extra separate alpha kit, should there not be a poll or something on which of the alphas should be included in the base, and which should be separated out?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: nvh2092 on Tue, 15 December 2020, 16:47:33

So why can't the modifiers and alphas be split into separate sets?

And if there is only one complete base kit, and an extra separate alpha kit, should there not be a poll or something on which of the alphas should be included in the base, and which should be separated out?
A normal kit (mods + alphas together) costs less than separated mods + separated alphas, based on GMK pricing. But it's like that for every manufactured stuff. Reason behind this is that the manufacturer (in this case GMK) has to set up environment and infrastructure to produce keycaps, when you order everything in one place, GMK just needs to set up everything at once, this also aplies to quality-control and packaging. When 1 a base kit is splitted in 2, GMK needs to redo some of the steps twice hence the price will be more expensive. A big box with 2 cookies is normally cheaper than 2 small box each contains 1 cookie. This is how I understand it. I may be not correct tho. Hence you always see one base kit with mods and alphas since it's the best way both for buyers (more affordable prices) and also for vendors (fewer kits fewer MOQ goals).
Runner obviously prefers a cleaner look with mono latin alpha in base kit. I don't oppose with the kitting, I also prefer mono latin alphas  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 15 December 2020, 19:01:58

So why can't the modifiers and alphas be split into separate sets?

And if there is only one complete base kit, and an extra separate alpha kit, should there not be a poll or something on which of the alphas should be included in the base, and which should be separated out?
A normal kit (mods + alphas together) costs less than separated mods + separated alphas, based on GMK pricing. But it's like that for every manufactured stuff. Reason behind this is that the manufacturer (in this case GMK) has to set up environment and infrastructure to produce keycaps, when you order everything in one place, GMK just needs to set up everything at once, this also aplies to quality-control and packaging. When 1 a base kit is splitted in 2, GMK needs to redo some of the steps twice hence the price will be more expensive. A big box with 2 cookies is normally cheaper than 2 small box each contains 1 cookie. This is how I understand it. I may be not correct tho. Hence you always see one base kit with mods and alphas since it's the best way both for buyers (more affordable prices) and also for vendors (fewer kits fewer MOQ goals).
Runner obviously prefers a cleaner look with mono latin alpha in base kit. I don't oppose with the kitting, I also prefer mono latin alphas  :p
I see, that makes since.
So, either separate both alphas from the mods, and only slightly screw over both parties (the ones that want the reg alphas AND the ones that want subs), or include one of the alphas with mods, and screw over only which ever party gets left out, substantially...
I think there should be a poll on which alphas to include with the base (unless SK has a preference, then i guess it's up to him)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: PHYLO on Wed, 16 December 2020, 09:52:55
Purple, pinks, blues, always the best combo for keycaps. Love it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: nvh2092 on Wed, 16 December 2020, 10:14:07

So why can't the modifiers and alphas be split into separate sets?

And if there is only one complete base kit, and an extra separate alpha kit, should there not be a poll or something on which of the alphas should be included in the base, and which should be separated out?
A normal kit (mods + alphas together) costs less than separated mods + separated alphas, based on GMK pricing. But it's like that for every manufactured stuff. Reason behind this is that the manufacturer (in this case GMK) has to set up environment and infrastructure to produce keycaps, when you order everything in one place, GMK just needs to set up everything at once, this also aplies to quality-control and packaging. When 1 a base kit is splitted in 2, GMK needs to redo some of the steps twice hence the price will be more expensive. A big box with 2 cookies is normally cheaper than 2 small box each contains 1 cookie. This is how I understand it. I may be not correct tho. Hence you always see one base kit with mods and alphas since it's the best way both for buyers (more affordable prices) and also for vendors (fewer kits fewer MOQ goals).
Runner obviously prefers a cleaner look with mono latin alpha in base kit. I don't oppose with the kitting, I also prefer mono latin alphas  :p
I see, that makes since.
So, either separate both alphas from the mods, and only slightly screw over both parties (the ones that want the reg alphas AND the ones that want subs), or include one of the alphas with mods, and screw over only which ever party gets left out, substantially...
I think there should be a poll on which alphas to include with the base (unless SK has a preference, then i guess it's up to him)
What you're mentioning is actually happening in GMK Norse IC. Runner made a poll to decide which set of alphas should be included in base. The poll turns out right now 57 - 42. It's gonna a ****tiest decision making ever.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: CookieFlow on Wed, 16 December 2020, 13:27:59
I didn't even know that was an option.

But indeed a base kit without alphas and then having the choice between regular alphas or katakanas sublegends is probably a good middle ground.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: sevenseacat on Thu, 17 December 2020, 22:31:29
But indeed a base kit without alphas and then having the choice between regular alphas or katakanas sublegends is probably a good middle ground.

That would just make it more expensive for *everyone*.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: nvh2092 on Fri, 18 December 2020, 02:52:24
I didn't even know that was an option.

But indeed a base kit without alphas and then having the choice between regular alphas or katakanas sublegends is probably a good middle ground.
That middle ground is not a good idea, the set will probably flop because the price for a base kit surely becomes too high.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: DeluxeSofa on Fri, 18 December 2020, 03:07:02
So this is a gmk version of matrix keycaps pbt retrowave . so much for originality
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Avocadough on Fri, 18 December 2020, 03:35:09
So this is a gmk version of matrix keycaps pbt retrowave . so much for originality

I think you're mistaken this set is GMK Olivia recoloured.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 18 December 2020, 11:27:01
But indeed a base kit without alphas and then having the choice between regular alphas or katakanas sublegends is probably a good middle ground.

That would just make it more expensive for *everyone*.
Yes. This was all ready covered. Doing it that way would make it slightly more expensive for "everyone", instead of doing it the other way, and making it A LOT more expensive for whatever party's alphas get left off the base set.
I'm good with whatever way it ends up. I want the sub-legend alphas, so obviously that's what i would prefer to be included in the base kit, but if I'm in the minority, especially a small minority, then we should do it another way.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 18 December 2020, 11:36:40
So this is a gmk version of matrix keycaps pbt retrowave . so much for originality
"Originality".... is beyond overrated, there is no idea that it truly "original". Whining about being unique is for angst teens. Adults realize we stand on the shoulders of giants, it's silly not to build off what others have done.
That being said, "retrowave" is a very popular trend right now, it's no surprise that more then one company/person has been inspired by it. If you can't see just how different those two sets are, I don't know what to tell ya buddy. Ones backlit, ones not. The modifier and alpha colors are reversed, there is accent colors, etc.
 Retrowave, Neon cities, Laser, 80's after dark, vaporwave, are all inspired by similar things, yet are different enough to warrant interest in each. 
Just seems like an absurd comment my man.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: sevenseacat on Sat, 19 December 2020, 00:41:11
But indeed a base kit without alphas and then having the choice between regular alphas or katakanas sublegends is probably a good middle ground.

That would just make it more expensive for *everyone*.
Yes. This was all ready covered. Doing it that way would make it slightly more expensive for "everyone", instead of doing it the other way, and making it A LOT more expensive for whatever party's alphas get left off the base set.
I'm good with whatever way it ends up. I want the sub-legend alphas, so obviously that's what i would prefer to be included in the base kit, but if I'm in the minority, especially a small minority, then we should do it another way.


Not "slightly" more expensive, the way GMK kitting works. Probably $50 more expensive.

Just let the GB runners pick which way works best for their set, and everyone can adapt.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 19 December 2020, 11:53:47
I suppose "slightly" was a poor word choice.

"Just let the GB runners pick which way works best for their set, and everyone can adapt." Well yeah, and that too was all ready mentioned..
We're just giving our 2 cents, which is in general the point of these threads, (other then to advertise and get the word out.) He/she/they are of coarse free to do with it what they wish.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 19 December 2020, 12:09:33
I suppose "slightly" was a poor word choice.

"Just let the GB runners pick which way works best for their set, and everyone can adapt." Well yeah, and that to was all ready mentioned..
We're just giving our 2 cents, which is in general the point of these threads, (other then to advertise and get the word out.) He/she/they are of coarse free to do with it what they wish.

My 2¢: Your idea is not realistically feasible with how GMK's pricing structure works. Buyers would probably be looking at around $150 for 60%/65% coverage, around $170 for 75% and TKL, and up to $190–$200 to match coverage offered by standard GMK base kits. You can see this for yourself if you look at sets that offered separate alphas and mods as child kits (e.g. GMK Future Funk).

Edit: updated calculation
Edit2: i am bad at math
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 19 December 2020, 13:08:58
Then the question is how much would a base kit cost if you have a higher MOQ and only 1 kit, versus having 2 kits and a lower MOQ.

I never saw the price of any sets get lower even after tripling or more the MOQ, so I assume the price is based on the estimated MOQ?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 19 December 2020, 17:16:10
I suppose "slightly" was a poor word choice.

"Just let the GB runners pick which way works best for their set, and everyone can adapt." Well yeah, and that to was all ready mentioned..
We're just giving our 2 cents, which is in general the point of these threads, (other then to advertise and get the word out.) He/she/they are of coarse free to do with it what they wish.

My 2¢: Your idea is not realistically feasible with how GMK's pricing structure works. Buyers would probably be looking at around $150 for 60%/65% coverage, around $170 for 75% and TKL, and up to $190–$200 to match coverage offered by standard GMK base kits. You can see this for yourself if you look at sets that offered separate alphas and mods as child kits (e.g. GMK Future Funk).

Edit: updated calculation
Edit2: i am bad at math
Yeah, i think we've come to the conclusion (as if it is up to any of us...) that splitting both alphas from the modifiers isn't optimal, and that it would probably be better to have a poll to decide which of the alphas goes with the base.
 But again, the Gb runner can do whatever they wish, obviously. (and i'll be happy, this set is dope.)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 19 December 2020, 20:46:01
Yeah, i think we've come to the conclusion (as if it is up to any of us...) that splitting both alphas from the modifiers isn't optimal, and that it would probably be better to have a poll to decide which of the alphas goes with the base.
 But again, the Gb runner can do whatever they wish, obviously. (and i'll be happy, this set is dope.)

I've seen you comment on this thread so much, and you also have the matching sig and avatar, that I've subconsciously started thinking that you're the runner :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Adqam64 on Sat, 19 December 2020, 20:51:32
Buyers would probably be looking at around $150 for 60%/65% coverage, around $170 for 75% and TKL, and up to $190–$200 to match coverage offered by standard GMK base kits. You can see this for yourself if you look at sets that offered separate alphas and mods as child kits (e.g. GMK Future Funk).

Thanks for a concrete example here; looking at CandyKeys I can see the base kit (with numpad and even some media keys) comes in at €135 whereas the separate icons + alphas comes to €152 with no numpad or €165 with numpad.  Also, that is a NICE kit.  Shame it doesn't have ISO-UK support.  ;)

I'm happy for whatever alphas the designer likes in the basekit and then extra alphas as already proposed.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 19 December 2020, 20:57:17
Thanks for a concrete example here; looking at CandyKeys I can see the base kit (with numpad and even some media keys) comes in at €135 whereas the separate icons + alphas comes to €152 with no numpad or €165 with numpad.  Also, that is a NICE kit.  Shame it doesn't have ISO-UK support.  ;)

It's also worth noting here that the icons kit only has sufficient coverage for 60%/65% in both cases :) For more complete coverage it would be even higher.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Shiba1337 on Sat, 19 December 2020, 22:16:53
Looks too much like Handarbeit
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 19 December 2020, 22:45:26
Yeah, i think we've come to the conclusion (as if it is up to any of us...) that splitting both alphas from the modifiers isn't optimal, and that it would probably be better to have a poll to decide which of the alphas goes with the base.
 But again, the Gb runner can do whatever they wish, obviously. (and i'll be happy, this set is dope.)

I've seen you comment on this thread so much, and you also have the matching sig and avatar, that I've subconsciously started thinking that you're the runner :D

I know, I know, i should really leave this thread alone for awhile... Working from home leaves me with way too much time to procrastinate on message boards..
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Kits SoonTM
Post by: clacklabs on Thu, 24 December 2020, 11:16:17
Buyers would probably be looking at around $150 for 60%/65% coverage, around $170 for 75% and TKL, and up to $190–$200 to match coverage offered by standard GMK base kits. You can see this for yourself if you look at sets that offered separate alphas and mods as child kits (e.g. GMK Future Funk).

Thanks for a concrete example here; looking at CandyKeys I can see the base kit (with numpad and even some media keys) comes in at €135 whereas the separate icons + alphas comes to €152 with no numpad or €165 with numpad.  Also, that is a NICE kit.  Shame it doesn't have ISO-UK support.  ;)

I'm happy for whatever alphas the designer likes in the basekit and then extra alphas as already proposed.

+1 for ISO-UK support.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: SwitchKeys on Thu, 24 December 2020, 22:29:57
Couple of prototype caps from Sinpra. The right cap is in my opinion a great match to my Pantone samples! What do you guys think?

(https://i.imgur.com/GhJ9RJB.png)

In other news, have added some Vendors to OP and will have a new deskmat to show soon!  We are just making some initial revisions.

*EDIT* Also have my preferred Pantones above. The pink chip I should have on hand in the next couple of weeks when it his my forwarding address. I've ordered doubles of everything, as one will be sent to GMK.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Thu, 31 December 2020, 11:56:58
Have you ever thought of just not including the numpad on the base kit? I mean to make the base kit cheaper and tbh it's not just me who has crap ton of numpad not being used and being stuck on their box/plastic etc.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 31 December 2020, 13:29:21
Have you ever thought of just not including the numpad on the base kit? I mean to make the base kit cheaper and tbh it's not just me who has crap ton of numpad not being used and being stuck on their box/plastic etc.

Makes an excellent point.. I don't think many people have full size keyboards anymore. It's mostly  60, tkl, and 75 is getting very popular. I can't see myself ever purchasing a full size one again.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: nvh2092 on Thu, 31 December 2020, 21:08:20
Have you ever thought of just not including the numpad on the base kit? I mean to make the base kit cheaper and tbh it's not just me who has crap ton of numpad not being used and being stuck on their box/plastic etc.

Makes an excellent point.. I don't think many people have full size keyboards anymore. It's mostly  60, tkl, and 75 is getting very popular. I can't see myself ever purchasing a full size one again.
It would reduce the price by 10usd tho.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 31 December 2020, 21:46:31
Have you ever thought of just not including the numpad on the base kit? I mean to make the base kit cheaper and tbh it's not just me who has crap ton of numpad not being used and being stuck on their box/plastic etc.

Makes an excellent point.. I don't think many people have full size keyboards anymore. It's mostly  60, tkl, and 75 is getting very popular. I can't see myself ever purchasing a full size one again.
It would reduce the price by 10usd tho.
Not sure what your point is? Yes, it would reduce the price, that's why we are in favor of it.. (and becasue i have no use for a numpad)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 06 January 2021, 16:42:23
GMK Peeps.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: smackyp on Wed, 06 January 2021, 23:49:53
Maybe it's the lighting, but the eyes on that right cap seems to be a little bit green-tinted to me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 07 January 2021, 00:15:23
GMK Peeps.

The awful Easter candy?! WHERE?!

Purple peeps are more pastel.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Thu, 07 January 2021, 14:49:40
is it possible to add a 1.5u enter, and a 1.75u backspace to the compact kit. Really looking forward to this set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: Sinpra on Sun, 10 January 2021, 16:28:45
Maybe it's the lighting, but the eyes on that right cap seems to be a little bit green-tinted to me.

You aren't entirely wrong, the yellow in the eyes is a bit of a pain to get 100% but thankfully I still have some time before this set runs to iron out the kinks!

(Also for clarification the blue and red one wasn't meant for this set, just an added bonus in the parcel!)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: vladimir108 on Mon, 11 January 2021, 14:32:54
Miami Vice kit :-)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave.
Post by: SwitchKeys on Mon, 11 January 2021, 22:05:04
Hi all,
Excited to share my latest designs for our new deskmat for discussion.

I would like your feedback, which of these two would you choose!

(https://i.imgur.com/Y7pqvhQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jw8WE5G.jpg)


Also, would you like to see edge to edge printing or black border?

(Please ignore the low resolution on these, they are just working drafts as I finalise everything)

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats!
Post by: CookieFlow on Mon, 11 January 2021, 22:20:19
Between the two, I prefer the top one.

I appreciate this new take on the mat, but personally I would prefer the design without the car.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats!
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 12 January 2021, 01:02:09
I can barely tell he difference honestly, but my eyes are tired right now. Bottom.


I agree, I'd prefer one without the car.


I would want an "outrun" style desk mat that is just a 2 tone of the purple and pink used in the set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats!
Post by: vernSL on Tue, 12 January 2021, 13:08:14
I prefer the top.

But I definitely agree, there should be a more minimalistic deskmat without the car. This is too busy for me on my desk, but I'm sure there are people who love it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats! All Vendors announced.
Post by: SwitchKeys on Tue, 12 January 2021, 23:28:19
Yep the plan is to keep one loud deskmat and one more minimalistic deskmat which we are working on right now (Likely the purple mat with a silhouette repeating pattern, possibly the palm trees or the flamingos).

I'm hesitant to remove the car as it is literally the focal point of the entire deskmat. Removing it just puts us back at the original design (If you are really into the sunset deskmat you'll be able to buy it shortly from Space Cables, SwitchKeys, KeyGem, Ashkeebs and ProtoTypist)

Thanks for the continued interest guys. We're also pleased to confirm Project Keyboard who will be running this for North America.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats!
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Tue, 12 January 2021, 23:34:49
Really dig the car desk mat! I'm honestly torn between the two with a slight change in colors. If I had to pick one I think I would go with the top, something about the orange in the sun just makes it a tad better. I'm going to vote for the edge to edge printing
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats! All Vendors announced.
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 13 January 2021, 11:44:41
Miami Vice kit :-)

I think of pink and blue/teal more when it comes to Miami Vice,
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats! All Vendors announced.
Post by: CookieFlow on Wed, 13 January 2021, 12:42:05
Yep the plan is to keep one loud deskmat and one more minimalistic deskmat which we are working on right now (Likely the purple mat with a silhouette repeating pattern, possibly the palm trees or the flamingos).

I'm hesitant to remove the car as it is literally the focal point of the entire deskmat. Removing it just puts us back at the original design (If you are really into the sunset deskmat you'll be able to buy it shortly from Space Cables, SwitchKeys, KeyGem, Ashkeebs and ProtoTypist)

Thanks for the continued interest guys. We're also pleased to confirm Project Keyboard who will be running this for North America.

I fully understand.
I would still think that without the car it would be different enough from your "classic", I don't often see the palm trees inside the sun which I find awesome.
It's just that the keyboard would sit mostly on top of the car, so in my head that woudn't look that good, since you would only see some random parts of the car like the wheels or spoiler.

But if there is a more minimalistic one, that's awesome. I really like the sun with the palm trees on the right, feels like a perfect place to have your mouse.
And I agree, the slight orange tone of the top one is really nice.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats!
Post by: SwitchKeys on Wed, 13 January 2021, 15:45:22
Thanks for your comments CookieFlow!

Nathan actually mocked up a render of a (Now outdated design) with the keyboard on it for scale.

(https://i.imgur.com/uLnwwv9.png)

I will be back here soon with some kitting updates and hopefully another deskmat addition :)

Cheers
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats!
Post by: CookieFlow on Wed, 13 January 2021, 19:14:56
That looks a lot better than I imagined in my head ! Probably better suited for a small keyboard so it doesn't get mostly covered.
I like the "retrowave" in Katakana on the plate, that's a cool idea that hopefully would make it into the final design

Looking forward to see the more minimalistic one, but I will say the more I look at the car design the more I like it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats!
Post by: mpererr on Sat, 16 January 2021, 11:59:30
Might have to buy this set just for the F-40... Seriously though, great work on the mats!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats!
Post by: OmniSzron on Thu, 21 January 2021, 14:33:50
The car looks hella nice. I think it will sell well, but you probably should offer an extra, more minimalistic one too.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. New Deskmats!
Post by: SwitchKeys on Fri, 05 February 2021, 17:18:01
Another small update.
Added Candy Keys as EU Vendor. All vendors now finalised. Awaiting mockups from Space for the cable tie-in and I should have all kits revised next week as Nathan has been busy wrapping up his other amazing projects.

Thanks for everyone's patience so far!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. All Vendors secured!
Post by: nvh2092 on Fri, 05 February 2021, 17:43:09
The render of ISO keyboard shows a R3 pipe key and R4 <> key non sublegend which are used for basic ISO. These keys don't exist in any kit. Will these appear in the final kitting?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: SwitchKeys on Fri, 12 February 2021, 17:38:55
Have done another round of kitting (Will be locking this in as we head into the final stretch of the IC). See OP for the latest kits.

Keeping a compact base was something we had tried really hard (Indeed the IC responses were basically spit for this). Ultimately, I couldn't bring myself to cut due to the punishment it would cause ISO / Numpad users as an example. To counter this, we will push ahead with an enormous MOQ to shoot for competitive pricing with a pretty complete base kit.

I've hopefully catered for the majority of 40s users, so if this is you, given we know 40s account for less than 10% on average of base kit sales please show some support during GB. Have trimmed down the bars to save some $ also.

Lastly massive thanks to Nathanalphaman for all his hard work with kitting among all the other stuff he is dealing with on a daily basis. Imagine trying to run your Polybius project among other things, and having me on your doorstep every morning with requests.

Next update will contain pricing and a date schedule. As we move closer, I am working with Rama on some additional collabs for this project and I am still drafting for the second deskmat.

Thanks to everyone for sticking around and most importantly for the feedback in the IC.

Peace <3
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Alejo1707 on Sun, 14 February 2021, 12:00:53
I love the aesthetic, and will probably buy it, but my long crusade remains...WHY GMK? :'(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 14 February 2021, 12:37:51
I imagine the runner likes the cherry profile, ABS, and GMK are second to none as far as quality goes. I'd prefer SA or MG myself, but whatevs, there are a lot of things I would change, but it aint my set. If I really wanted that "perfect" set of mine (and this is close), i would design it and run it myself, but I don't want it that bad, and I'm too lazy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 19 February 2021, 04:45:57
Thank GOD I joined this forum while this is in progress. 100% in!
Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Rx003 on Fri, 19 February 2021, 04:56:20
I am here for the Rama glwic and glws  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: SwitchKeys on Sat, 20 February 2021, 18:55:06
Deskmat prototype has arrived. Qualiy and vibrancy blew me away, really excited to share these.

In terms of set progress. We've sent the kits off to GMK for quotation. Just waiting to hear back


(https://i.imgur.com/JRaqKxC.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/yxJ96Th.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jsk67DO.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RnnoVEv.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Sat, 20 February 2021, 19:00:38
Deskmat prototype has arrived. Qualiy and vibrancy blew me away, really excited to share these.

In terms of set progress. We've sent the kits off to GMK for quotation. Just waiting to hear back


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/JRaqKxC.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/yxJ96Th.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Jsk67DO.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RnnoVEv.png)

These are stellar!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 20 February 2021, 19:44:04
The deskmat looks incredible.
I wasn't fully on board with the car at first, but it works really well  :thumb:

I was hoping that the "レトロウェーブ" stayed on the plate as I thought that was an awesome "easter egg".
But that's the only part that is blocked, so I guess I will not know for now haha.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 20 February 2021, 20:15:52

Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: SwitchKeys on Sat, 20 February 2021, 23:22:32

Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.

Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: CookieFlow on Sun, 21 February 2021, 15:17:26

Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.

Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).


I think it's a tough decision.
Awaken with Katakana outsold the Latin Alphas by almost 3 to 1.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 21 February 2021, 22:03:40

Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.

Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).


I think it's a tough decision.
Awaken with Katakana outsold the Latin Alphas by almost 3 to 1.
It'll probably be the same with this one. I don't think all that many people end up filling out the IC form. I know i forget half the time..
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: nvh2092 on Mon, 22 February 2021, 04:36:28

Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.

Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).


I think it's a tough decision.
Awaken with Katakana outsold the Latin Alphas by almost 3 to 1.
It'll probably be the same with this one. I don't think all that many people end up filling out the IC form. I know i forget half the time..
Gmk agent 01 had sublegends at first but removed later due to interest. It depends on theme and time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Adqam64 on Mon, 22 February 2021, 05:51:37
I would definitely like to buy the katakana set - but it doesn't have ISO-UK support, so I won't.  I'd be happy if that was the only kit if it had ISO-UK support.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: CookieFlow on Mon, 22 February 2021, 10:03:35

Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.

Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).


I think it's a tough decision.
Awaken with Katakana outsold the Latin Alphas by almost 3 to 1.
It'll probably be the same with this one. I don't think all that many people end up filling out the IC form. I know i forget half the time..
Gmk agent 01 had sublegends at first but removed later due to interest. It depends on theme and time.


Of course it depends on the theme. I don't always advocate for Japanese sub-legends, on some sets I prefer regular Latin Alphas.
But I just think Retrowave is one of those where I feel fairly confident that a Katakana sublegend base would do better as its theme feels perfectly suited for it.

And that I think making the call for Base Latin Alphas just based on a form that was close to 50% is a tough call to make (also depending on how many answers that form got).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: ThickJimmy on Mon, 22 February 2021, 19:46:04
This set really does make a bold color choice look good. Great work!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:26:02

Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.

Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).


I think it's a tough decision.
Awaken with Katakana outsold the Latin Alphas by almost 3 to 1.
It'll probably be the same with this one. I don't think all that many people end up filling out the IC form. I know i forget half the time..
Gmk agent 01 had sublegends at first but removed later due to interest. It depends on theme and time.
Probably. I guess well see what the finale sale numbers are (in regards to both gmk agent and this) If i'm correct about people not filling out the IC forms, that lack of interest may not be reflected in final sale numbers.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: 3yatt on Tue, 02 March 2021, 19:31:58
Its Early 2021. Where is it?? GIB!!!! :]
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: elmo on Wed, 03 March 2021, 11:01:23
So this is cancelled?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 03 March 2021, 18:22:42
So this is cancelled?
?! Why would you say such a horrible thing?!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 03 March 2021, 18:26:50
Its Early 2021. Where is it?? GIB!!!! :]
I vaguely remember someone saying GMK got so back ordered, they decided to stop taking new orders for the time being. So i think a lot of GB's are on hold for now. (Take with a grain of salt, I'm not sure.)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Pluto19 on Wed, 03 March 2021, 19:21:25
So this is cancelled?
?! Why would you say such a horrible thing?!  :eek:

Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 03 March 2021, 20:51:42
So this is cancelled?
?! Why would you say such a horrible thing?!  :eek:

Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser

That is such nonsense
Report back from some discord investigating: There is some issue, Sk is in discussion with GMK over it. I'm sure they'll update us when they know anything for sure. Still a huge bummer.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: ehmora on Wed, 03 March 2021, 22:35:48
This looks sooo good on the silver and PC rendered cases. Hope everything works out!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: sevenseacat on Thu, 04 March 2021, 07:43:57
Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser

That would be such bull****. >:(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Gremlosh on Thu, 04 March 2021, 11:13:32
So this is cancelled?
?! Why would you say such a horrible thing?!  :eek:

Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser

Damn that sucks. I was looking forward to this GB. This might have been my first GMK set
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Konami_Ai on Thu, 04 March 2021, 12:08:36
So this is cancelled?
?! Why would you say such a horrible thing?!  :eek:

Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser

The novelty I can understand, if it was a copywrite issue, better to deal with it now, rather than later.
But stopping a set for "common theme"? GMK has definitely run sets of the similar theme *simultaneously * before.
If that's the case, that's insanely lame.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 04 March 2021, 12:33:23
Has anyone tried reaching out to Mito (Laser's GB runner) and asking him to advocate for it? EDIT: I shot him a message on discord, but i doubt he'll pay much attention to some message from a random dude he's never talked to on discord. We'll see.
It is absurd that Vaporwave, which had WAY more in common with Laser, got made no problem, but GMK is pulling this crap with this set?
I know I'm in the minority, but can we just go SA?

That "outrun" sun symbol has been around along time, Laser has no ownership over it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. Kitting finalised.
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 04 March 2021, 12:36:22
So this is cancelled?
?! Why would you say such a horrible thing?!  :eek:

Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser


The novelty I can understand, if it was a copywrite issue, better to deal with it now, rather than later.
But stopping a set for "common theme"? GMK has definitely run sets of the similar theme *simultaneously * before.
If that's the case, that's insanely lame.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but what novelties do they share, other then the cassette tape and the sun with lines? Both of which existed long before Laser used them.
I am legit pissed at this garbage. I was SO stoked for this set/
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: MediocreTurtle on Fri, 05 March 2021, 04:10:39
Has anyone tried reaching out to Mito (Laser's GB runner) and asking him to advocate for it? EDIT: I shot him a message on discord, but i doubt he'll pay much attention to some message from a random dude he's never talked to on discord. We'll see.
It is absurd that Vaporwave, which had WAY more in common with Laser, got made no problem, but GMK is pulling this crap with this set?
I know I'm in the minority, but can we just go SA?

That "outrun" sun symbol has been around along time, Laser has no ownership over it.
I would be surprised if it wasn't Mito/Drop who raised that issue with GMK in the first place
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: cadrev on Fri, 05 March 2021, 08:19:07
The colors are so far away from Laser  :(, was looking forward to this so much.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 05 March 2021, 14:38:03
Has anyone tried reaching out to Mito (Laser's GB runner) and asking him to advocate for it? EDIT: I shot him a message on discord, but i doubt he'll pay much attention to some message from a random dude he's never talked to on discord. We'll see.
It is absurd that Vaporwave, which had WAY more in common with Laser, got made no problem, but GMK is pulling this crap with this set?
I know I'm in the minority, but can we just go SA?

That "outrun" sun symbol has been around along time, Laser has no ownership over it.
I would be surprised if it wasn't Mito/Drop who raised that issue with GMK in the first place
Yeah, you're not the 1st person to imply that possibility.. That's part of the reason  I contacted him, in hope to at least partly  dispel that rumor.  If that it is the case, I hope it's Drop and not Mito.. I've bought THREE of Mito's sets.. If i find out I've been supporting a d-bag, piece of scum, i will be even more bummed by the situation. How DARE anyone try to claim any kind of trademark or something for 90% novelties in Laser, especially the "outrun" sun. They've all been around a LONG time, way before Laser, and are in no way originated by Drop/Mito.
The Retrowave Gb, would not be occurring at the same time as a Laser anyway. This all around absurd.
I really hope they decide to go with another keykap form and manufacturer. GMK was never my favorite, and now that i know they have shoddy business practices, they can go duck themselves. I would prefer to never buy from them again. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: mr_foggy on Sat, 06 March 2021, 12:04:05
Nice. The only set I was planning on buying form GMK and this bull**** ensues. Not happy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: jimmythetooth on Sun, 07 March 2021, 11:08:20
Very disappointing. Is there anything the community can do to help make this happen?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 08 March 2021, 16:31:17
Very disappointing. Is there anything the community can do to help make this happen?
Grab your pitch-fork, get a plane ticket, and meet me in Germany! Time for some nerd-mob justice!

In all seriousness, anyone have any news?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Mon, 08 March 2021, 19:36:01
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.

Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:

Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: jimmythetooth on Mon, 08 March 2021, 19:44:22
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.

Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:

Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.

Thanks for the update! Pitchfork is back in the pitchfork sheath. Back to staring at the renders.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 09 March 2021, 12:55:08
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.

Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:

Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.
Thanks, but I do not understand why there should be any "compromise" on the part of Retrowave. There is absolutely nothing used in the retrowave kit that Laser has any right to what so ever. That "sunset" novelty, especially, existed LONG before Laser decided to use it.
And as wrong as it was, i understand why people were looking for someone to lash out at it, becasue this entire thing seems like complete nonsense to everyone in the community that hears about it.. What EXACTLY is the issue?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Adqam64 on Tue, 09 March 2021, 14:36:55
What EXACTLY is the issue?

Frankly, that's none of our business.  People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected and the set designer is able to achieve their vision.  In the fullness of time they will tell us what is possible to run, and we may then make our decisions about the set at that time.  Getting worked up about it now does nothing but dissuade people from being candid about such issues in the future and does nobody any favours.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 09 March 2021, 21:01:19
What EXACTLY is the issue?

Frankly, that's none of our business.  People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected and the set designer is able to achieve their vision.  In the fullness of time they will tell us what is possible to run, and we may then make our decisions about the set at that time.  Getting worked up about it now does nothing but dissuade people from being candid about such issues in the future and does nobody any favours.
Frankly, that's nonsense. Transparency has always been a part of this community . These are GROUP BUYS. We are INVESTING in a product that has yet to be made, some transparency is a good thing. And not saying is just going to lead to more wild and potentially harmful, speculation. (Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, it is that way.). People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected   yet this a case where, OBVIOUSLY, there are no prior rights being stepped on.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Wed, 10 March 2021, 00:44:42
What EXACTLY is the issue?

Frankly, that's none of our business.  People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected and the set designer is able to achieve their vision.  In the fullness of time they will tell us what is possible to run, and we may then make our decisions about the set at that time.  Getting worked up about it now does nothing but dissuade people from being candid about such issues in the future and does nobody any favours.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: elmo on Wed, 10 March 2021, 03:31:20
What EXACTLY is the issue?

Frankly, that's none of our business.  People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected and the set designer is able to achieve their vision.  In the fullness of time they will tell us what is possible to run, and we may then make our decisions about the set at that time.  Getting worked up about it now does nothing but dissuade people from being candid about such issues in the future and does nobody any favours.
Frankly, that's nonsense. Transparency has always been a part of this community . These are GROUP BUYS. We are INVESTING in a product that has yet to be made, some transparency is a good thing. And not saying is just going to lead to more wild and potentially harmful, speculation. (Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, it is that way.). People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected   yet this a case where, OBVIOUSLY, there are no prior rights being stepped on.

This tbh. Not knowing what exactly caused this isn't exactly ensuring for other keycap designers...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: smithbob on Wed, 10 March 2021, 08:43:50
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.

Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:

Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.

Thank you for confirming that it is in fact MiTo who has stopped the set from going forward.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 10 March 2021, 13:10:42
What EXACTLY is the issue?

Frankly, that's none of our business.  People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected and the set designer is able to achieve their vision.  In the fullness of time they will tell us what is possible to run, and we may then make our decisions about the set at that time.  Getting worked up about it now does nothing but dissuade people from being candid about such issues in the future and does nobody any favours.

 :thumb:
yuck
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 10 March 2021, 13:15:18
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.

Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:

Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.

Thank you for confirming that it is in fact MiTo who has stopped the set from going forward.
Care to elaborate?
The secrecy and lack of transparency, is certainly making that seem more and more possible, but i need some evidence before i come to a solid conclusion.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Wed, 10 March 2021, 14:47:54
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.

Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:

Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.

Thank you for confirming that it is in fact MiTo who has stopped the set from going forward.

This is not correct. It was not Mito. Please do not make assumptions like this and spread misinformation.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Wed, 10 March 2021, 14:49:07
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.

Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:

Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.

Thank you for confirming that it is in fact MiTo who has stopped the set from going forward.

This is not correct. It was not Mito. I can say this definitively. Please do not make assumptions like this and spread misinformation.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Adqam64 on Thu, 11 March 2021, 10:13:58
Frankly, that's nonsense. Transparency has always been a part of this community . These are GROUP BUYS. We are INVESTING in a product that has yet to be made, some transparency is a good thing. And not saying is just going to lead to more wild and potentially harmful, speculation. (Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, it is that way.). People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected   yet this a case where, OBVIOUSLY, there are no prior rights being stepped on.

I think it's important to make the distinction that this is still in the IC phase, and that before anyone (apart from the set designer) is investing any money here it will be crystal clear what will be in the set and what will be out.  We have seen a level of transparency here; I don't think the community needs to get daily updates on the correspondence.  If discussions around legal issues are taking place then consider that many lawyers consider being asked to do something in a week is a rush job and so things may take a little while to be figured out.

It is a very bold claim to say that there are obviously no prior rights being stepped on when the keycap set is inspired by a game that is still in copyright.  Since GMK are based in Germany there are an exciting variety of IP rights for them to navigate around.  It's also possible that one or more of the keys planned looks similar to a recently filed trademark application which could have given pause.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: GingGing on Thu, 11 March 2021, 11:14:19
Nice trailer!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Thu, 11 March 2021, 13:44:50
Care to elaborate?
The secrecy and lack of transparency, is certainly making that seem more and more possible, but i need some evidence before i come to a solid conclusion.

No. There is a line between transparency and private conversations. As this isn't a group buy yet, and nobody has put money into this project outside of the vendor potentially, therefore all conversations being had with the vendors are private conversations. Absolutely no real company would ever divulge private information like this publicly, that would be incredibly unprofessional.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: elmo on Thu, 11 March 2021, 14:56:39
Care to elaborate?
The secrecy and lack of transparency, is certainly making that seem more and more possible, but i need some evidence before i come to a solid conclusion.

No. There is a line between transparency and private conversations. As this isn't a group buy yet, and nobody has put money into this project outside of the vendor potentially, therefore all conversations being had with the vendors are private conversations. Absolutely no real company would ever divulge private information like this publicly, that would be incredibly unprofessional.

This might be true for this set alone.

But since the currently ongoing IP issues with GMK are apparently affecting all other sets as well it would be nice to have at least some form of public statement from GMK about whats going on exactly.
Because right now no keycap set designer really knows what they can and can't do for their sets which creates a really unhealthy climate for this community as a whole.

Frankly no keycap set designer is going to invest any more work and money into a project if he doesn't know for sure that the set won't just get cancelled by GMK in the end...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: givemeyourshoes on Thu, 11 March 2021, 16:06:08
Hey, while this is on hold, at least GMK Hinokoku gets to go into GB  WTF GMK...

"@GMK_Andy come on....What the hell is this and why is it moving forward in GB?  Y'all just posted about how sets with IP can't run any longer.  I could have missed it, but did the designer or Kono provide proof of permission to use these novelties?  They are literally traced from items in the show!!!  Was this set licenses?  Given the cost I doubt it.  Can GMK please please please confirm what guidelines are used to decide when a set can and can't run?  This set is super close to GMK Red Dragon, and damn near a copy of KAT Explosion.  It seems fine for you to run this, but Retrowave was cancelled at first because it was "similar to Laser"  If it really does just boil down to what sets will sell better, or what vendor has better lawyers, tell us.  We can at least give you points for transparency and move forward. "
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Langelandia on Thu, 11 March 2021, 16:10:33
Hey, while this is on hold, at least GMK Hinokoku gets to go into GB  WTF GMK...

"@GMK_Andy come on....What the hell is this and why is it moving forward in GB?  Y'all just posted about how sets with IP can't run any longer.  I could have missed it, but did the designer or Kono provide proof of permission to use these novelties?  They are literally traced from items in the show!!!  Was this set licenses?  Given the cost I doubt it.  Can GMK please please please confirm what guidelines are used to decide when a set can and can't run?  This set is super close to GMK Red Dragon, and damn near a copy of KAT Explosion.  It seems fine for you to run this, but Retrowave was cancelled at first because it was "similar to Laser"  If it really does just boil down to what sets will sell better, or what vendor has better lawyers, tell us.  We can at least give you points for transparency and move forward. "

Ding MF ding
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Brez1623 on Thu, 11 March 2021, 16:12:47
Hey, while this is on hold, at least GMK Hinokoku gets to go into GB  WTF GMK...

"@GMK_Andy come on....What the hell is this and why is it moving forward in GB?  Y'all just posted about how sets with IP can't run any longer.  I could have missed it, but did the designer or Kono provide proof of permission to use these novelties?  They are literally traced from items in the show!!!  Was this set licenses?  Given the cost I doubt it.  Can GMK please please please confirm what guidelines are used to decide when a set can and can't run?  This set is super close to GMK Red Dragon, and damn near a copy of KAT Explosion.  It seems fine for you to run this, but Retrowave was cancelled at first because it was "similar to Laser"  If it really does just boil down to what sets will sell better, or what vendor has better lawyers, tell us.  We can at least give you points for transparency and move forward. "

This ^^^
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Adqam64 on Thu, 11 March 2021, 16:48:15
...since the currently ongoing IP issues with GMK are apparently affecting all other sets as well...

Clearly not if GMK Hinokoku is going ahead :cool:

Before we lay into Andy too much for not having a clear policy... their post of 8 March says that they're trying to put one in place.  So let's give them a bit of time to figure things out before we get the pitchforks.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 11 March 2021, 20:49:39
Frankly, that's nonsense. Transparency has always been a part of this community . These are GROUP BUYS. We are INVESTING in a product that has yet to be made, some transparency is a good thing. And not saying is just going to lead to more wild and potentially harmful, speculation. (Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, it is that way.). People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected   yet this a case where, OBVIOUSLY, there are no prior rights being stepped on.

I think it's important to make the distinction that this is still in the IC phase, and that before anyone (apart from the set designer) is investing any money here it will be crystal clear what will be in the set and what will be out.  We have seen a level of transparency here; I don't think the community needs to get daily updates on the correspondence.  If discussions around legal issues are taking place then consider that many lawyers consider being asked to do something in a week is a rush job and so things may take a little while to be figured out.

It is a very bold claim to say that there are obviously no prior rights being stepped on when the keycap set is inspired by a game that is still in copyright.  Since GMK are based in Germany there are an exciting variety of IP rights for them to navigate around.  It's also possible that one or more of the keys planned looks similar to a recently filed trademark application which could have given pause.
"It is a very bold claim to say that there are obviously no prior rights being stepped on when the keycap set is inspired by a game that is still in copyright
No, it's actually a very simple, TIMID, and objectively correct claim.
Oh jesus...You don't even know what this set is based on... There is NO "game" involved here. This set is based on the "RETROWAVE" scene,(...you know.... the name of the set...google is your friend) similar too Vaporwave, and synthwave, and if your trying to stretch, maybe the cyberpunk THEME, both of which existed LONG before, Cyberpunk the GAME and Laser.
This is BEYOND "obvious" at this point, there is NOTHING used in Retrowave, that Cyberpunk the game, and ABSOLUTELY Laser, have any claim over what so ever.
And THIS is what needs to be elaborated on. We don't want your personal conversations. We want to know why you are pulling this nonsense.
 It seems like you are just trying to protect your own image at this point. You would be better off admitting you guys screwed up, and tried to stop a set for no good reason, and/or based on  faulty information. 
WHY was THIS set, a set that clearly doesn't step on anyone's ip, stopped?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: hottnucks on Fri, 12 March 2021, 08:47:46
Hey, while this is on hold, at least GMK Hinokoku gets to go into GB  WTF GMK...

"@GMK_Andy come on....What the hell is this and why is it moving forward in GB?  Y'all just posted about how sets with IP can't run any longer.  I could have missed it, but did the designer or Kono provide proof of permission to use these novelties?  They are literally traced from items in the show!!!  Was this set licenses?  Given the cost I doubt it.  Can GMK please please please confirm what guidelines are used to decide when a set can and can't run?  This set is super close to GMK Red Dragon, and damn near a copy of KAT Explosion.  It seems fine for you to run this, but Retrowave was cancelled at first because it was "similar to Laser"  If it really does just boil down to what sets will sell better, or what vendor has better lawyers, tell us.  We can at least give you points for transparency and move forward. "

Ding MF ding

@GMK_Andy you are perpetuating the speculation and gossip by not being upfront and transparent as to the reason why Retrowave was put on hold and/or refused by GMK. We're not asking to be privy to your private conversations; however, we are asking "Why is GMK refusing to manufacture the Retrowave keyset?" Also, Mito is welcome to come here and express himself, so we can stop accusing him. However, you can see that he's not doing that and I have no doubts that he's seen this thread and knows the accusations against him (he was also confronted on his Discord, but refused to address the issue or refute that he has something to do with this). I'm not saying Mito owes us this, but I know for sure that if my name was being tossed around and accusations were flying about me, I would publicly clear myself immediately if I didn't have a dog in the fight.

TL;DR: GMK won't tell us why they won't make Retrowave as-is and why it's "on-hold." Also, Mito won't say "it wasn't me, I don't have any issues with GMK running this keyset." Therefore, humans are going to human and speculate.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: pngu on Fri, 12 March 2021, 14:30:27
Good to have confirmation that it wasn't MiTo who cancelled this! GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 16 March 2021, 22:25:56
So, has GMK grown a conscience and/or just a brain, stopped this absurd garbage, and okayed what is a perfectly fine, obviously not stepping on anyone's "IP", keyset yet?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: mr_foggy on Wed, 17 March 2021, 06:54:46
I'm saving the renders so I can check what novelty gets axed lmao.
That would explain the issue better than any words.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Mark The Weeb on Sun, 21 March 2021, 21:47:48
the whole japan neon vibe of this set is really nice !
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 28 March 2021, 12:47:35
Is GMK still being absurd?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Pluto19 on Sun, 28 March 2021, 22:05:28
Hopefully we'll hear back from both GMK and Stef this week.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: xlon16 on Mon, 29 March 2021, 01:28:56
 :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: xlon16 on Mon, 29 March 2021, 01:38:48
 :p :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Wed, 31 March 2021, 14:10:29
Hopefully we'll hear back from both GMK and Stef this week.

I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Wed, 31 March 2021, 14:22:35
Hopefully we'll hear back from both GMK and Stef this week.

I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.

Hope everything is okay! family always comes first. Really looking forward to this set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 31 March 2021, 15:08:48
Hopefully we'll hear back from both GMK and Stef this week.

I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.
Hopefully you guys did the right thing, and okayed this set as is, and apologized to them for pulling this nonsense. Since this set is obviously not violating anyone's IP?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: jimmythetooth on Wed, 31 March 2021, 15:15:33
Hopefully we'll hear back from both GMK and Stef this week.

I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.

Family first. I hope your kid is feeling better.

Excited to hear this is moving again!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold]
Post by: Adqam64 on Wed, 31 March 2021, 15:56:19
I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.

Sorry for your loss.  I hope that your child is doing better!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Wed, 31 March 2021, 22:21:21
Hi everyone. Thanks for everyones patience as it's been a while since updates!

Retrowave is at the moment just finishing up discussions with both GMK and potentially affected parties to see if there are any issues (Or indeed what those issues may be)

We hope to be able to share with you the results of those discussions and what it means for the set in the next few days.

Cheers

Stef
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Pluto19 on Thu, 01 April 2021, 01:05:13
I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.
Jeez man. I'm so sorry to hear that. My condolences <3
I hope your kiddo is doing better and spirits are up.

Hi everyone. Thanks for everyones patience as it's been a while since updates!

Retrowave is at the moment just finishing up discussions with both GMK and potentially affected parties to see if there are any issues (Or indeed what those issues may be)

We hope to be able to share with you the results of those discussions and what it means for the set in the next few days.

Cheers

Stef

Awesome to hear discussions are wrapping up! Would it be too much to disclose who these "potentially affected parties" are?
Looking forward to the news.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: mr_foggy on Thu, 01 April 2021, 04:26:14
Would it be too much to disclose who these "potentially affected parties" are?
Looking forward to the news.
yeah as a potential customer I'd too like to know. GMK doesn't exactly have a short backlog, this hold virtually added 6 more months to the queue. I want to know who or what to thank for this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 01 April 2021, 12:51:50
Would it be too much to disclose who these "potentially affected parties" are?
Looking forward to the news.
yeah as a potential customer I'd too like to know. GMK doesn't exactly have a short backlog, this hold virtually added 6 more months to the queue. I want to know who or what to thank for this.
They are never going to come clean as to what exactly happened here, they simply do not have enough moral fortitude. He even gave a thumbs up to the first person that supported this gross lack of transparency. At this point, it's safe to say that either GMK screwed up all on their own, or possibly at the behest of someone they play favorites with.. judging by their secrecy, probably the very person they're claiming had nothing to do with it.
I just hope this set gets released, and does well enough to get made in another form/company. I'm about done with GMK and their garbage.

That 95Neon got as far as it did, is all the proof i need that GMK claiming this was a an IP issue is full of crap. They were just being errand boys for someone they play favorites with.
I know i would of purchased GMK serenity if this had not gone down.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: 3yatt on Fri, 09 April 2021, 23:33:41
Sooooo... Any updates?

Regardless of transparency, however this ends up will speak volumes about who stands where.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 10 April 2021, 00:12:32
Sooooo... Any updates?

Regardless of transparency, however this ends up will speak volumes about who stands where.
It better end with Retrowave going ahead, as is, and with GMK apologizing for mistakenly believing this set was stepping on Laser's IP in anyway. (Or whatever stupid excuse they use for this nonsense.)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 12 April 2021, 16:03:14
All right, enough. Just get it together GMK. The last thing i want to do is have to boycott the most popular key company in the community.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: CookieFlow on Mon, 12 April 2021, 16:22:23
All right, enough. Just get it together GMK. The last thing i want to do is have to boycott the most popular key company in the community.

I see you edited and entirely changed your message to something less hateful.

Personally I am mostly tired of seeing the same messages from you in every retrowave, synthwave, vaporwave thread.
I think you made your point and your stance very clear on how you feel.

But I doubt you posting your feelings on the matter every week will change anything and maybe this IC thread is not the best place to do it.
I'm sure GMK has an email you can reach them at.

Hopefully we will get an update on Retrowave soon  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave. [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 12 April 2021, 21:56:41
All right, enough. Just get it together GMK. The last thing i want to do is have to boycott the most popular key company in the community.

I see you edited and entirely changed your message to something less hateful.

Personally I am mostly tired of seeing the same messages from you in every retrowave, synthwave, vaporwave thread.
I think you made your point and your stance very clear on how you feel.

But I doubt you posting your feelings on the matter every week will change anything and maybe this IC thread is not the best place to do it.
I'm sure GMK has an email you can reach them at.

Hopefully we will get an update on Retrowave soon  :thumb:
Yes, i decided to tone it down, until more info is relieved......Good job undoing that, and for what? Just to let me know you saw i changed my mind? Good job champ. "entirely changed" that's just a lie.
I do not care what you are "tired of" in the least. Stop reading home boi.
 I am letting my opinion known every chance i get, becasue people deserve to know what's going on with a major player in the community, and how they behaving toward us.
"I'm sure GMK has an email you can reach them at."* Well duh. I do not want to have a private conversation with them, i have all ready tried that route, and was ignored. I WANT to make it as public as possible, for the reason all ready stated. I WANT this on the front page, and to  be bumped constantly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retro [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Pluto19 on Fri, 16 April 2021, 15:54:33
Heard we're overdue for an update on the latest and greatest news
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retro [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Fri, 16 April 2021, 17:10:28
Seems we have worked out the issues. I have submitted my approval internally for this set pending a few small details, notably that it obviously can't be called "GMK Retro" though, as that set already exists. (https://drop.com/buy/gmk-retro-keycap-set)

GL with GB folks. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retro [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Pluto19 on Fri, 16 April 2021, 18:41:35
Seems we have worked out the issues. I have submitted my approval internally for this set pending a few small details, notably that it obviously can't be called "GMK Retro" though, as that set already exists. (https://drop.com/buy/gmk-retro-keycap-set)

GL with GB folks. :thumb:
"Exists" in regards to the name of an idea that never came to fruition?
IIRC it was only made in SP DSA and SP SA unless there was a GMK iteration that flew under the radar
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retro [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 16 April 2021, 18:55:49
GMK Synthwave maybe?
Whatever it takes to not be confused with that ugly ass poo colored set lmfao.

Finally things are moving forward.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retro [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Kotairo on Fri, 16 April 2021, 19:58:28
Oh happy day =] hopefully we can get this shipped out winter 2022.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retro [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: hottnucks on Fri, 16 April 2021, 23:34:29
Seems we have worked out the issues. I have submitted my approval internally for this set pending a few small details, notably that it obviously can't be called "GMK Retro" though, as that set already exists. (https://drop.com/buy/gmk-retro-keycap-set)

GL with GB folks. :thumb:
"Exists" in regards to the name of an idea that never came to fruition?
IIRC it was only made in SP DSA and SP SA unless there was a GMK iteration that flew under the radar

The name of this set was never “GMK Retro” the name of this set was “GMK Retrowave” since the IC started. What’s the problem?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retro [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: swizzley on Sat, 17 April 2021, 00:20:43
yes please!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retro [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Sat, 17 April 2021, 13:51:31
The name of this set was never “GMK Retro” the name of this set was “GMK Retrowave” since the IC started. What’s the problem?

(https://i.imgur.com/tRiUs5V.png)  :confused: It seems this was an attempt to rename the set, was just making sure to clarify this is not a name that is available as the set does exist.

We do generally try to look at names of sets from other manufacturers as well. So many designers are crossing over sets and rerunning in different profiles/manufacturers that it's certainly best practice just to try to keep names from overlapping to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retro [On Hold. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 17 April 2021, 16:19:02
Oh happy day =] hopefully we can get this shipped out winter 2022.


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It would have for sure, if GMK had not pulled this nonsense, and put a set on "hold" for no legitimate reason. At least they had enough integrity to apologize for this fiasco....oh... wait... never-mind.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Kitting Done. Novelties Done. Deskmat Done. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: hottnucks on Sat, 17 April 2021, 23:09:56
@SwitchKeys Why was the set renamed to “Retro” from “Retrowave”?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Kitting Done. Novelties Done. Deskmat Done. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Sat, 17 April 2021, 23:11:34
All right, enough. Just get it together GMK. The last thing i want to do is have to boycott the most popular key company in the community.

I see you edited and entirely changed your message to something less hateful.

Personally I am mostly tired of seeing the same messages from you in every retrowave, synthwave, vaporwave thread.
I think you made your point and your stance very clear on how you feel.

But I doubt you posting your feelings on the matter every week will change anything and maybe this IC thread is not the best place to do it.
I'm sure GMK has an email you can reach them at.

Hopefully we will get an update on Retrowave soon  :thumb:
I feel ya!


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Kitting Done. Novelties Done. Deskmat Done. UPDATES SOON!]
Post by: Pluto19 on Thu, 22 April 2021, 14:33:25
@SwitchKeys Why was the set renamed to “Retro” from “Retrowave”?
Maybe we'll find out why once this is updated... hopefully along with a bunch of other insights doubt
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Tue, 27 April 2021, 20:26:02
Hi everyone,
First off I wanted to thank everyones patience in between major updates. As you can imagine, there has been a lot to take in and the backwards-and-forwards is not always so timely when everyone tends to operate in different time zones.

Before I begin, I wanted to firstly show thanks in particular to the following people:

Now, I'll move straight into the elephant in the room. You'll notice we've made some changes to the novelties in the kit. We had to adjust some for tooling tolerances, but obviously the big omission is the absence of the sun. After extensive talks with all parties (GMK, MiTo, Drop, ProtoTypist, OneCreativeMind) sadly we could not come to a mutual agreement regarding using the sun as is. We tried revisions, rotations etc but it detracted from what we set it out to be. For this reason, we have omitted it from the base kit on our own accord. It will however remain as is in the form of the Rama.

I won't speak on behalf of Andy, nor of GMK for any specifics regarding this as it is not my place. I'd also request we keep the IC on topic and focus on Retrowave as we are excited to be submitting these for quotation immediately. Discussion is fine, but inflammatory comments do not achieve anything.

Why the name change? It's back baby. I had a bit of a misunderstanding on my end re the naming of this set, and ended up making it temporarily worse.

*EDIT* Some of the thumbnail previews are a little jank. I will correct but enlarge them for proper res.
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Post by: yoniwolf1202 on Tue, 27 April 2021, 20:31:55
WAHOOOOO
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Post by: rivals on Tue, 27 April 2021, 22:09:31
Glad to see that the Rama novelty is still there, it's so good.
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Post by: Havattack on Wed, 28 April 2021, 00:15:48
Really cool. So happy. Ya.

I'll never understand why Mito or Drop had any say with anything. Mito/drop stole that symbol from a preexisting community.  At least we now know the rumors were true.
 I'm off to start  my anti gmk/drop/mito campaign.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: doggo1dance on Wed, 28 April 2021, 00:30:32
can someone enlighten me on this? Why does MiTo even have exclusive rights to the sun symbol when it has already been existed since before he started using it? Stealing it and making it as his own, what a scummy thing to do tbh
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: mr_foggy on Wed, 28 April 2021, 01:59:51
so I'll be getting this set in 2023 because some big player in the community demands property rights on a stolen design and delayed the IC phase for months. cool thanks for the customer service.

all in all I'm happy that it's moving forward anyway. I hope the ramas survive until GB because I'm copping both before it's too late.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: riku12smasher on Wed, 28 April 2021, 03:24:42
followed this ic for MONTHS lurking just to be greeted with this ****.

just 1 question tho, why the **** are you discussing with them on the design symbol? what gives them the ****ing right to own that sun design? i have been in this hobby since early 2013 and have never ever seen this sun logo being a property of someone elses other than the general community that have designed them.

you can count me out of this ****hole honestly
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: elmo on Wed, 28 April 2021, 04:08:48
So all those rumors and suspicions were true in the end.
Even though Andy tried to hide it.

Mito/Drop do claim ownership of a symbol that they never created.

How is this even legal? :confused:

But thanks anyways. At least now I know who I will avoid from now on in this hobby...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: nvh2092 on Wed, 28 April 2021, 04:13:25
So all those rumors and suspicions were true in the end.
Even though Andy tried to hide it.

Mito/Drop does claim ownership of a symbol that they never created.

How is this even legal? :confused:

But thanks anyways. At least now I know who I will avoid from now on in this hobby...
+1
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: andreiborisov on Wed, 28 April 2021, 05:01:45
Whatever, I was going to buy RAMA anyway Can’t wait for the GB!

Do you have any rough estimate in mind when it’s going to run now?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: elmo on Wed, 28 April 2021, 07:33:02
https://www.vectorstock.com/royalty-free-vectors/retrowave-sun-vectors

all belongs to Mito now just so you know...

(https://i.imgur.com/WDLGsvu.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: saltimate on Wed, 28 April 2021, 07:48:35
https://www.vectorstock.com/royalty-free-vectors/retrowave-sun-vectors

all belongs to Mito now just so you know...

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/WDLGsvu.png)


lol, so much this...



also @SK,
ALTERNATIVELY ditch the gmk relationship, change/redesign this set for jtk triple shot and keep the sun novelty and deskmat.
you KNOW triple shot for this set would be fire, and sounds like gmk would rather suck mitos d!ck anyway.

if gmk wants to join the mito/drop circlejerk then fukem, boycot gmk. be done with that sh!t.
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Post by: treeleaf64 on Wed, 28 April 2021, 08:20:43
Mods blind the treeleaf in the
Blaze of pink and yellow
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: iShibe on Wed, 28 April 2021, 13:13:53
Been watching this set since i was a lurker, and since i first got into custom keebs. Seriously, this set is like a dream come true. I need it, and every bit!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: meenacraft on Wed, 28 April 2021, 14:58:45
Pretty disappointed in GMK for letting Drop/Mito act like this. They absolutely do not in any shape way or form own that sun logo and its insane they even got involved and delayed this set over it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: mizuwolf on Wed, 28 April 2021, 15:01:29
honestly, I'm pretty infuriated Mito thinks he can claim the vaporwave sun as belonging to him when it's a design that has existed for ages. I cannot imagine GMK entertaining this nonsense. At this point, I'm pretty set on never buying another gmk set again because of their horrific decisions lately when it comes to BS like this. Might grab this RAMA just to rub salt in the wound (because it's gorgeous)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: elcore9 on Wed, 28 April 2021, 15:02:49
I cannot believe how much of a man-child Mito is and that GMK and Drop actually forced you guys to remove the sun. It's an iconic image that sure as hell isn't owned by Mito or Drop. So sorry to hear about the news. I hope this set does well, it's better than anything Mito could ever hope to design.
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Post by: darthcapn on Wed, 28 April 2021, 17:54:10
Akko uses the sun image as a background to their "NEON" keycap set on their epomaker website. Lol.

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Post by: ShenKichin on Wed, 28 April 2021, 20:05:29
Mito? More like MiNo because this guy gets No *****es.

Honestly we should just start dropping GMK. Are people really willing to take **** from a company that has a year long backlog? Do they think that they're Ferrari or something? There are plenty of other keycap options.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 28 April 2021, 20:21:37
I too support changing manufacturers if you guys (SK) cares to. And as I all ready said, I am definitely down for boycotting GMK. and especially Mito/drop/ I can not believe i bought 3 of his sets from that garbage company... and their such good sets too... Oh well, i can like the music, and still hate the artist- so to speak.

Oh, and anyone who wants Laser, just buy the chinese knock off version. I imagine i'll be saying that a lot..
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: ダbruh on Thu, 29 April 2021, 01:10:20
damn now the vaporwave/retrowave/outrun sun is considered IP? I can't wait for the day that I look up to the sky and say thx drop/mito for this beautiful sun
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: sevenseacat on Thu, 29 April 2021, 06:56:15
Glad to see the set is back up and running.

Very disappointed in whoever has refused access to the sun in the set (but has allowed it for the Ramas?)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: rchan00x on Thu, 29 April 2021, 15:29:35
Glad to see the set is back up and running.

Very disappointed in whoever has refused access to the sun in the set (but has allowed it for the Ramas?)

That's the "funny" part. The image is public domain. Drop/Mito do not hold ANY actual rights to the outrun sun image in the real world.

GMK just bent the knee to Drop/Mito and decreed that no other set run through GMK can use it.

RAMA, and anyone else, is free to use that image however and whenever they'd like.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: Woovie on Thu, 29 April 2021, 16:53:34
So all those rumors and suspicions were true in the end.
Even though Andy tried to hide it.

Mito/Drop do claim ownership of a symbol that they never created.

How is this even legal? :confused:

But thanks anyways. At least now I know who I will avoid from now on in this hobby...

+1

**** MiTo, **** Drop, **** GMK for bowing to them.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: nasp on Thu, 29 April 2021, 18:57:59
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Thu, 29 April 2021, 20:42:32
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.

Well, not really. I was pretty clear in my update that there were multiple parties involved in the affected key. I didn’t point the finger at any one entity and I’ve tried to be as transparent as possible that the option was presented to modify it or remove it.

Whether or not MiTo owns the vaporwave sun is not the issue at hand. MiTo owns the mold for it, and permission was not granted for us to use it as we had designed it.

At the same time, we couldn’t modify it within GMKs tolerances and all variations we experimented with detracted from what the icon should represent. Therefore the decision was made by Jae and I to remove it from the set.

Again, I want to reinforce how much time was spent musing with OCM (And indeed Andy from GMK who literally took my phone call at 3am) about what we could do with it.

Like I said, it’s not my place to speak on behalf of GMK - I am just trying to present the facts relevant to Retrowave. The novelty disappeared, it would be pretty disingenuous to just simply pretend it was never there in the first place.
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Post by: Havattack on Thu, 29 April 2021, 20:48:57
nevermind
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Thu, 29 April 2021, 21:56:01
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.

To put it simply, custom legends aren't publicly available. This is how it works for our industrial clients as well as our community ones. Someone has paid for that legend out of pocket, and therefore in our books that is their legend. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case. Obviously these legends may be inspired by content elsewhere, but the fact remains that if someone translated an icon, such as the "sun", to a GMK legend first then they have the rights to it as they paid for it. I have given suggestions for changing the Sun to be a new novelty (palm tree in front, sideways, etc) but the final call on the direction here would be up to the designer.

For me, as someone with a background in music, this is like making a song out of a few very common chords, let's say Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 A7. Then say we throw a lead part playing with a Dmin scale on top. Give these chords and scales to 10 different artists, you'll get 10 different things, even though they are using the same 5 ingredients. And after an artist makes something out of these pieces, that are all publicly available, it becomes their own. Our keycaps are no different. Everyone is welcome to take on the theme with their overlapping similarities, but you can't make something exactly the same. And in this case the "sun" novelty has already been created. If the "sun" was publicly available, every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available, and protecting that IP for each and all of our vendors is something we intend to continue to do.

This is also the reason that we generally invest in new language molds, so that nobody is paying for them and that they are open for all to use. I should point out that MiTo has created the molds for many languages, including the ones this set uses, that are freely available for community use.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Thu, 29 April 2021, 22:20:10
Honestly could care less about the sun and drama. It’s a little drawn out and kind of silly how so many are bringing their pitchforks out over a single novelty. First world problems I guess lol. Just pumped for this to go into play.

Second deskmat is awesome btw!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: rchan00x on Thu, 29 April 2021, 23:10:06
Honestly could care less about the sun and drama. It’s a little drawn out and kind of silly how so many are bringing their pitchforks out over a single novelty. First world problems I guess lol. Just pumped for this to go into play.

Second deskmat is awesome btw!

That's a very superficial reading of why people were actually upset here. It wasn't about a single novelty. It's about what we perceived as a larger vendor/designer trying to assert ownership over a public image and then strong arming a smaller vendor/designer into changing their vision for their set.

But I agree with the rest. Its great to finally see this set back on track and, their second deskmat really is lit. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: doggo1dance on Thu, 29 April 2021, 23:29:54
Honestly could care less about the sun and drama. It’s a little drawn out and kind of silly how so many are bringing their pitchforks out over a single novelty. First world problems I guess lol. Just pumped for this to go into play.

Second deskmat is awesome btw!

you just missed the whole point lmaoo, really please dont comment anything if you're gonna brush it off like its nothing, especially when you dont know nor care about what is actually happening in this thread.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: Whiplash_XXIII on Thu, 29 April 2021, 23:31:35
Honestly could care less about the sun and drama. It’s a little drawn out and kind of silly how so many are bringing their pitchforks out over a single novelty. First world problems I guess lol. Just pumped for this to go into play.

Second deskmat is awesome btw!

you just missed the whole point lmaoo, really please dont comment anything if you're gonna brush it off like its nothing, especially when you dont know nor care about what is actually happening in this thread.
Like I said, just pumped this colorway is good to go again, could care less otherwise lol
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: elmo on Fri, 30 April 2021, 03:22:49
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.

To put it simply, custom legends aren't publicly available. This is how it works for our industrial clients as well as our community ones. Someone has paid for that legend out of pocket, and therefore in our books that is their legend. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case. Obviously these legends may be inspired by content elsewhere, but the fact remains that if someone translated an icon, such as the "sun", to a GMK legend first then they have the rights to it as they paid for it. I have given suggestions for changing the Sun to be a new novelty (palm tree in front, sideways, etc) but the final call on the direction here would be up to the designer.

For me, as someone with a background in music, this is like making a song out of a few very common chords, let's say Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 A7. Then say we throw a lead part playing with a Dmin scale on top. Give these chords and scales to 10 different artists, you'll get 10 different things, even though they are using the same 5 ingredients. And after an artist makes something out of these pieces, that are all publicly available, it becomes their own. Our keycaps are no different. Everyone is welcome to take on the theme with their overlapping similarities, but you can't make something exactly the same. And in this case the "sun" novelty has already been created. If the "sun" was publicly available, every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available, and protecting that IP for each and all of our vendors is something we intend to continue to do.

This is also the reason that we generally invest in new language molds, so that nobody is paying for them and that they are open for all to use. I should point out that MiTo has created the molds for many languages, including the ones this set uses, that are freely available for community use.

This sounds reasonable. At first.
But there's one issue if you look at how GMK handled things like this in the past.

Why can't they just buy a new mold with that legend? It wouldn't be owned by Mito/Drop then.

And please don't say "that's not possible" now. Because it is.
GMK did exactly this with the new "community" Katakana molds.

Because Energieschleuder didn't want other people to use his Katakana molds (the ones that were used for Masterpiece) GMK just made new ones.
Guess for who?
Right. For Mito.
Because he was just able to pay for new molds. Even though they look exactly the same like the ones from Masterpiece.
But since they aren't the same molds he can use them now without having to ask for permission from Energieschleuder.

Please. Just stop pretending you don't play favors with Drop and Mito. It's just too obvious. :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 30 April 2021, 03:26:22
you just missed the whole point lmaoo, really please dont comment anything if you're gonna brush it off like its nothing, especially when you dont know nor care about what is actually happening in this thread.
+1

I can not believe i bought 3 of his sets from that garbage company...
Oh, and anyone who wants Laser, just buy the chinese knock off version. I imagine i'll be saying that a lot..
never did and never will. typing on the akko neons right now and they've never felt as good.

in the meantime I found on instagram that MiTo is designing a Genshin Impact themed set through DROP LMFAOOOOOO
just sit and watch that set go through the IP checks unscathed  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: elmo on Fri, 30 April 2021, 03:35:30
in the meantime I found on instagram that MiTo is designing a Genshin Impact themed set through DROP LMFAOOOOOO
just sit and watch that set go through the IP checks unscathed  :D

this so much lmao
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: Jo_hannes on Fri, 30 April 2021, 04:00:28
To put it simply, custom legends aren't publicly available. This is how it works for our industrial clients as well as our community ones. Someone has paid for that legend out of pocket, and therefore in our books that is their legend. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case. Obviously these legends may be inspired by content elsewhere, but the fact remains that if someone translated an icon, such as the "sun", to a GMK legend first then they have the rights to it as they paid for it. I have given suggestions for changing the Sun to be a new novelty (palm tree in front, sideways, etc) but the final call on the direction here would be up to the designer.

Well, I have to say I understand the overall issue now. Still really, really unfotunate for MiTo to now allow for the usage of the mold in this instance, but I guess this at least makes clear that GMK is not at fault here. As there will be lot's of people getting the RAMAs now, just please make sure to keep them affordable through a very high MOQ.

The issue there is maybe more fundamental: Should people be allowed to "buy" images in the public domain and be able to make it exclusive to themselves on the medium that is GMK keycaps. When reflecting on that, the music-simile does not really hold. This is not a remix, it is a 1:1 representation of an existing song to which the author is unknown, and said song becomes exclusive to a certain medium by someone paying to put it there first.
So, I feel that GMK and this field of business have reached a point where that is not really a sustainable way of doing business any more. I mean, self-designed novelties should of course remain with the designers, but novelties that are identical to images in the public domain should, if deemed worthwhile, be paid for by GMK to be available to all keyset designers. This sun in question here is such broadly-used iconography that the current system leading to it being locked to the whims of one keyset designer should make the responsible parties rethink the system as such, not just its impact on the design of this particular set.

Best,
Johannes

P.S. In the meantime, Elmo posted his considerations regarding the Katakana molds, which renders my point kind of mute because I assumed that GMK is consistent in its application of "the rules". If it is not, then there is no point to my argument.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: doggo1dance on Fri, 30 April 2021, 04:24:34
you just missed the whole point lmaoo, really please dont comment anything if you're gonna brush it off like its nothing, especially when you dont know nor care about what is actually happening in this thread.
+1

I can not believe i bought 3 of his sets from that garbage company...
Oh, and anyone who wants Laser, just buy the chinese knock off version. I imagine i'll be saying that a lot..
never did and never will. typing on the akko neons right now and they've never felt as good.

in the meantime I found on instagram that MiTo is designing a Genshin Impact themed set through DROP LMFAOOOOOO
just sit and watch that set go through the IP checks unscathed  :D

MiTo is really just gonna get away with anything huh, thats just sad honestly



Title: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: andreiborisov on Fri, 30 April 2021, 06:08:51
It seems like a lot of people are new here, because that is how custom molds worked from the beginning of time for GMK.

Why wouldn’t you be able to pay and make the second mold with the same legend is a bit strange though (in case if the image itself in a public domain).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [UPDATES PAGE 6 - LET'S GO!!]
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Fri, 30 April 2021, 13:57:48
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.

To put it simply, custom legends aren't publicly available. This is how it works for our industrial clients as well as our community ones. Someone has paid for that legend out of pocket, and therefore in our books that is their legend. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case. Obviously these legends may be inspired by content elsewhere, but the fact remains that if someone translated an icon, such as the "sun", to a GMK legend first then they have the rights to it as they paid for it. I have given suggestions for changing the Sun to be a new novelty (palm tree in front, sideways, etc) but the final call on the direction here would be up to the designer.

For me, as someone with a background in music, this is like making a song out of a few very common chords, let's say Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 A7. Then say we throw a lead part playing with a Dmin scale on top. Give these chords and scales to 10 different artists, you'll get 10 different things, even though they are using the same 5 ingredients. And after an artist makes something out of these pieces, that are all publicly available, it becomes their own. Our keycaps are no different. Everyone is welcome to take on the theme with their overlapping similarities, but you can't make something exactly the same. And in this case the "sun" novelty has already been created. If the "sun" was publicly available, every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available, and protecting that IP for each and all of our vendors is something we intend to continue to do.

This is also the reason that we generally invest in new language molds, so that nobody is paying for them and that they are open for all to use. I should point out that MiTo has created the molds for many languages, including the ones this set uses, that are freely available for community use.

So you are giving IP rights without having the legal right to do so? That isn't how IP works. You do not get to decide who owns something in the public domain outright because they paid you for a mold to be made.

Does that person own said mold? Yes. Does said person now own the public domain art? No. So by blocking the creation of a similar mold using said public domain art (or variations of said art) you are giving rights without the legal authority to do so.

Your strawman argument of "every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available" is bull**** and you know it. That isn't at all what would need to happen as there are a ton of designs that are not in the public domain and therefore no reason to make them publicly available or allow similar variations given the art isn't owned by any party. Mold ownership does not equal ownership of said art, they are separate rights do not equate them as one and gatekeep for the sake of making one customer have a monopoly on something they themselves do not have the rights to.

If this was about an original novelty design it would be understandable to block (which it isn't in this case), but that doesn't mean all situations are like this and you as a manufacturer have to understand when someone owns the rights to something and when they don't.

This seems more so like getting caught and making an excuse later but it just being nonsense to distract from what is really happening. This sets a precedent for using all public domain art and squatting on it to prevent any future use because y'all fail to understand what your actions actually mean. Hopefully you learn from this and stop with the bull**** arguments. This isn't about a retrowave sun novelty anymore as you decided to take it beyond that and give out legal rights without the authority and that is crossing the line.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: chanchan on Fri, 30 April 2021, 14:06:00
mans out here patenting the sun
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: JKKEEBS on Fri, 30 April 2021, 14:19:21
Love the rama
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: Rumblethumps on Fri, 30 April 2021, 14:52:24
I'm trying really hard to stay subjective and not make assumptions about the situation based on what's been said here, since nothing's been confirmed and the "affected parties" haven't been specifically named. I'm sure that SK and the other "affected parties" involved are handling their own business as best they can.

...But that being said, it sucks that it had to happen with such a cool set. (or ANY set, really.) Honestly the whole thing has made me iffy about GMK.

Anyway, glad to see that the project is continuing despite it all. Excellent work SK, best of luck getting to GB!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: andreiborisov on Fri, 30 April 2021, 15:10:11
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.

To put it simply, custom legends aren't publicly available. This is how it works for our industrial clients as well as our community ones. Someone has paid for that legend out of pocket, and therefore in our books that is their legend. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case. Obviously these legends may be inspired by content elsewhere, but the fact remains that if someone translated an icon, such as the "sun", to a GMK legend first then they have the rights to it as they paid for it. I have given suggestions for changing the Sun to be a new novelty (palm tree in front, sideways, etc) but the final call on the direction here would be up to the designer.

For me, as someone with a background in music, this is like making a song out of a few very common chords, let's say Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 A7. Then say we throw a lead part playing with a Dmin scale on top. Give these chords and scales to 10 different artists, you'll get 10 different things, even though they are using the same 5 ingredients. And after an artist makes something out of these pieces, that are all publicly available, it becomes their own. Our keycaps are no different. Everyone is welcome to take on the theme with their overlapping similarities, but you can't make something exactly the same. And in this case the "sun" novelty has already been created. If the "sun" was publicly available, every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available, and protecting that IP for each and all of our vendors is something we intend to continue to do.

This is also the reason that we generally invest in new language molds, so that nobody is paying for them and that they are open for all to use. I should point out that MiTo has created the molds for many languages, including the ones this set uses, that are freely available for community use.

So you are giving IP rights without having the legal right to do so? That isn't how IP works. You do not get to decide who owns something in the public domain outright because they paid you for a mold to be made.

Does that person own said mold? Yes. Does said person now own the public domain art? No. So by blocking the creation of a similar mold using said public domain art (or variations of said art) you are giving rights without the legal authority to do so.

Your strawman argument of "every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available" is bull**** and you know it. That isn't at all what would need to happen as there are a ton of designs that are not in the public domain and therefore no reason to make them publicly available or allow similar variations given the art isn't owned by any party. Mold ownership does not equal ownership of said art, they are separate rights do not equate them as one and gatekeep for the sake of making one customer have a monopoly on something they themselves do not have the rights to.

If this was about an original novelty design it would be understandable to block (which it isn't in this case), but that doesn't mean all situations are like this and you as a manufacturer have to understand when someone owns the rights to something and when they don't.

This seems more so like getting caught and making an excuse later but it just being nonsense to distract from what is really happening. This sets a precedent for using all public domain art and squatting on it to prevent any future use because y'all fail to understand what your actions actually mean. Hopefully you learn from this and stop with the bull**** arguments. This isn't about a retrowave sun novelty anymore as you decided to take it beyond that and give out legal rights without the authority and that is crossing the line.
You’re quite right, but I think your point of view is a bit shortsighted.

This policy allows designers to have a level of confidence that no one will copy their work without their explicit permission. No current designer to my knowledge has the means or resources to trademark their sets and designs. I’m not sure you can even do that for such simple imagery (if someone with an education in legal field wants to chime in, I would be interested to hear their take).

So without this policy, designing keycaps will require a lot more investment and legal knowledge, which in turn will lead to less cool sets available.

Is this policy too simplistic? Yes, perhaps it should be revisited, but going with pitchforks for GMK is childish and unreasonable IMO.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: mrpetrov on Fri, 30 April 2021, 15:13:27
With no disrespect to Andy, who I appreciate liaising with everyone on this - but I think gatekeeping public domain art through the separate act of making a mold of it passes neither the legal nor the smell test.  I would support a reexamination of this GMK policy. 

Allow people to pay for their own molds of public domain art regardless of whether someone had already done (and paid for) their own molds of the public domain art in question.

P.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: Rumblethumps on Fri, 30 April 2021, 15:44:33
Is this policy too simplistic? Yes, perhaps it should be revisited, but going with pitchforks for GMK is childish and unreasonable IMO.

To be fair, I think a lot of the backlash in this case comes from how GMK hasn't been up-front about this policy. As far as I can tell, this is the first time many people have heard of it. Of course they're not obligated to reveal any specifics or names involved in the situation for privacy/legal reasons, but a quick explanation of the policy and the reasoning behind it from the start would not only be helpful in informing people who are interested in this set, but also informing anyone possibly designing a set with GMK in the future. Anything else just seems...shady.

(I agree, no disrespect or hate to Andy, it sounds like he's been a big help to SK in hashing out the situation.)

It's definitely worth a revisit. There seems to be far too much of a difference in fairness.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: Adqam64 on Fri, 30 April 2021, 18:18:09
I don't speak for GMK and have no relationship with them (beyond hoping they can make a number of keycap sets I'm waiting for).  I'm disappointed that the sunset novelty is now absent from the kit, but am pleased that the kit will be able to run.  I'm writing this comment to correct some miscomprehensions of IP that have been discussed in this thread, and to answer some of the questions I've seen.

In Europe in particular, we have an exciting variety of intellectual property rights that can apply to keycap design.  Without performing a detailed analysis I cannot speak with certainty on the matter.  However, my suspiscion is that the design of a novelty keycap like the sunset gives rise to a number of relevant rights, including unregistered (at least) design rights and moral rights.  These rights exist independent of any copyright or other rights in any artwork that may have inspired the design of the keycap \[0].  Accordingly, although an artwork may be public domain [1] a keycap based on that artwork may still be subject to IP considerations related to the design of that keycap.

My first point is therefore that simply because others are (apparently) free to use the iconography of the sunset image does not necessarily mean that GMK are free to use the existing sunset keycap mold without the approval of all persons who hold IP in the mold. 

The practicalities of dualshot ABS molding impose a variety of limitations on what is possible to make as a keycap, in particular relating to line thickness.  Given we are talking about a design on a 1U keycap, there is a limited amount of freedom available for a designer to move away from any existing designs.  Particularly pertaining to design rights, the legal test for infringement is based on whether "a different overall impression" is conferred upon a viewer of the keycap [2].  Accordingly, even if GMK were to make a somewhat different design that still represents a sunset with repeated horizontal lines there could still be an issue.

My second point is therefore that technical considerations may limit GMK's ability to avoid any rights that exist in previous keycap molds [3].

IP litigation, particularly in Germany, is scary.  A manufacturer of a product can very quickly find themselves barred from selling a product or ordered to destroy those stocks they have of it.  Imagine if GMK did have such an issue, and the massive reputational damage (not to mention the logistical hurdles) involved in giving refunds to people and/or delivering a set that does not look as promised.  The penalties of getting IP wrong are very significant.  The legal costs involved in clearing things which are controversial or questionable are also significant, and do not provide any guarantee that things will go your way if you do end up before a judge [5].

My third point is therefore that it should not be surprising if GMK are being very cautious around any IP issues associated with keycap sets.

Overall I'm not surprised with how things have worked out, and am pleased we're back on track for me to have a truly lurid keycap set. 

[0]  This comes from the principle that each act of creative work can give rise to its own protection.  For example, if JK Rowling took an existing piece of Harry Potter fanfiction and published it as her own, this would give rise to a (potentially very lucrative) copyright claim on the part of the fanfiction writer.  Even though the fanfiction itself is based on/is an infringement of an existing right, new and separate copyright (and other rights!) still subsist in that work.
[1]  I do not believe that the sunset design ("as such") is in the public domain.  It seems to be an orphan work in that no-one is taking charge of the right or challenging people using it, but nevertheless if chain of title could be established somebody could claim ownership of it.  This would be fun(tm).
[2]  In principle the breadth of protection should be limited by any technical considerations that apply (does the design provide a different overall impression to the informed user who would take into considearation the freedom available to the designer.  In practice there have been some big cases (such as Procter & Gamble vs Reckitt Benckiser) where injunctions have been granted an significant financial hardships imposed by the court of first instance on what, in my opinion, is a clearly different design.
[3]  This is less relevant for "functional" keycap design since fewer rights are attracted to such design.  This may explain why someone was (apparently, I'm learning this for the first time today) able to recreate Katakana[4] molds when a previous creator of them was not amenable to the use of the old molds. 
[4]  Also the shape of Katakanas are firmly in the public domain, unlike the sunset design.
[5]  Again, I refer to Procter & Gamble vs Reckitt Benckiser where it took an appeal before the "correct" result was obtained.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: hottnucks on Fri, 30 April 2021, 18:38:37
Allow people to pay for their own molds of public domain art regardless of whether someone had already done (and paid for) their own molds of the public domain art in question.

Can Andy from GMK or Switchkeys explain why this is not an option? Mito doesn't own the rights to the art; however, he does own the rights to his mold. Therefore, just pay to have your own mold made of the same art.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Fri, 30 April 2021, 18:59:45
I don't speak for GMK and have no relationship with them (beyond hoping they can make a number of keycap sets I'm waiting for).  I'm disappointed that the sunset novelty is now absent from the kit, but am pleased that the kit will be able to run.  I'm writing this comment to correct some miscomprehensions of IP that have been discussed in this thread, and to answer some of the questions I've seen.

In Europe in particular, we have an exciting variety of intellectual property rights that can apply to keycap design.  Without performing a detailed analysis I cannot speak with certainty on the matter.  However, my suspiscion is that the design of a novelty keycap like the sunset gives rise to a number of relevant rights, including unregistered (at least) design rights and moral rights.  These rights exist independent of any copyright or other rights in any artwork that may have inspired the design of the keycap \[0].  Accordingly, although an artwork may be public domain [1] a keycap based on that artwork may still be subject to IP considerations related to the design of that keycap.

My first point is therefore that simply because others are (apparently) free to use the iconography of the sunset image does not necessarily mean that GMK are free to use the existing sunset keycap mold without the approval of all persons who hold IP in the mold. 

The practicalities of dualshot ABS molding impose a variety of limitations on what is possible to make as a keycap, in particular relating to line thickness.  Given we are talking about a design on a 1U keycap, there is a limited amount of freedom available for a designer to move away from any existing designs.  Particularly pertaining to design rights, the legal test for infringement is based on whether "a different overall impression" is conferred upon a viewer of the keycap [2].  Accordingly, even if GMK were to make a somewhat different design that still represents a sunset with repeated horizontal lines there could still be an issue.

My second point is therefore that technical considerations may limit GMK's ability to avoid any rights that exist in previous keycap molds [3].

IP litigation, particularly in Germany, is scary.  A manufacturer of a product can very quickly find themselves barred from selling a product or ordered to destroy those stocks they have of it.  Imagine if GMK did have such an issue, and the massive reputational damage (not to mention the logistical hurdles) involved in giving refunds to people and/or delivering a set that does not look as promised.  The penalties of getting IP wrong are very significant.  The legal costs involved in clearing things which are controversial or questionable are also significant, and do not provide any guarantee that things will go your way if you do end up before a judge [5].

My third point is therefore that it should not be surprising if GMK are being very cautious around any IP issues associated with keycap sets.

Overall I'm not surprised with how things have worked out, and am pleased we're back on track for me to have a truly lurid keycap set. 

[0]  This comes from the principle that each act of creative work can give rise to its own protection.  For example, if JK Rowling took an existing piece of Harry Potter fanfiction and published it as her own, this would give rise to a (potentially very lucrative) copyright claim on the part of the fanfiction writer.  Even though the fanfiction itself is based on/is an infringement of an existing right, new and separate copyright (and other rights!) still subsist in that work.
[1]  I do not believe that the sunset design ("as such") is in the public domain.  It seems to be an orphan work in that no-one is taking charge of the right or challenging people using it, but nevertheless if chain of title could be established somebody could claim ownership of it.  This would be fun(tm).
[2]  In principle the breadth of protection should be limited by any technical considerations that apply (does the design provide a different overall impression to the informed user who would take into considearation the freedom available to the designer.  In practice there have been some big cases (such as Procter & Gamble vs Reckitt Benckiser) where injunctions have been granted an significant financial hardships imposed by the court of first instance on what, in my opinion, is a clearly different design.
[3]  This is less relevant for "functional" keycap design since fewer rights are attracted to such design.  This may explain why someone was (apparently, I'm learning this for the first time today) able to recreate Katakana[4] molds when a previous creator of them was not amenable to the use of the old molds. 
[4]  Also the shape of Katakanas are firmly in the public domain, unlike the sunset design.
[5]  Again, I refer to Procter & Gamble vs Reckitt Benckiser where it took an appeal before the "correct" result was obtained.


You actually nailed a lot of points :thumb:

I've seen a few comparisons of this "icon" to language molds. I should clarify that if someone wants to make a full language set that only they are allowed to use, that is fine. That being said languages are not protected, molds certainly are though. So in the case that someone makes stylized Arabic molds to use on only their sets, that is fine, but someone else is most definitely allowed to create their own Arabic language molds as well. We have made this abundantly clear to designers who ask about having the sole rights to a language kit. Furthermore we do not cover any costs when a language is for private use - partially to encourage creators to share their languages with others within the community as we do drastically help with the costs if shared.

Regarding the novelty, you are spot on Adqam64. The fact that the Sun icon is open source is necessary, this is why it was allowed to be made when say a Taco Bell logo isn't (without permission, of course). Many, many novelties used over the years are in this category - open source/public domain icons that a designer has chosen to use for a set. When it comes to us though, those molds are then protected as they are still paid for by the original designer. This isn't, and never was, a case of preferred vendors. I'm not sure how that idea came to be. This is simply a case of being first, and in this case Laser was years ahead on this icon and theme. There are contracts that are signed and legal ramifications here with icon molds, we don't make duplicates. As mentioned, the laws in Germany are different than the US in particular here. This protects ALL vendors and designers equally. We certainly aren't against people taking on the same theme from a different angle, by any means.

As I mentioned, because this is an open source icon, there are other ways a designer can manipulate it to make it their own, I even suggested a few on my own. Pad print a palm tree over the doubleshot logo, create a glitchy version, add a horizon and some angular mountains, etc, so many things a designer can do on this one. I never said the Sun can't be used, in fact I encouraged making a new take, it just can't be the same one. I also suggested having RAMA or someone else still make it (like I did with the pot leaf in Zooted, for example).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: mrpetrov on Fri, 30 April 2021, 19:21:22
When it comes to us though, those molds are then protected as they are still paid for by the original designer. This isn't, and never was, a case of preferred vendors. I'm not sure how that idea came to be. This is simply a case of being first, and in this case Laser was years ahead on this icon and theme. There are contracts that are signed and legal ramifications here with icon molds, we don't make duplicates.

I think this answers the question of ‘why not let people pay for their own molds of public domain art?’. The answer is “there are contracts signed and legal ramifications here with icon molds, we don’t make duplicates”. So it doesn’t sound like this solution (ie let designers pay for their own molds of previously run public domain art) works because of the contracts GMK has in place - rather than anything to do with IP law per se and absent these pre-existing contracts. Please do let me know if I have this wrong!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: Adqam64 on Fri, 30 April 2021, 19:51:05
Pad print a palm tree over the doubleshot logo
That would look dope.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 30 April 2021, 21:03:34
Oh well, it is what it is. Probably best just to move on, or at least leave it out of this thread, but... sorry  i got some Q's:

Still sounds like Mito could of done the right thing, and let them use that mold. Ugh.
 And this "being first" with a symbol, except when it comes to a series of symbols (languages) policy is stupid and wrong.
AND i am still unclear why SK could not just pay for another mold, that happens to be exactly the same as Mito's. exactly like he did with katakana. "languages are not protected" and neither is that sunset image.... So why can't this be done? Is it simply you policy? Explain please. and thank you for your time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Fri, 30 April 2021, 22:26:09
Oh well, it is what it is. Probably best just to move on, or at least leave it out of this thread, but... sorry  i got some Q's:

Still sounds like Mito could of done the right thing, and let them use that mold. Ugh.
 And this "being first" with a symbol, except when it comes to a series of symbols (languages) policy is stupid and wrong.
AND i am still unclear why SK could not just pay for another mold, that happens to be exactly the same as Mito's. exactly like he did with katakana. "languages are not protected" and neither is that sunset image.... So why can't this be done? Is it simply you policy? Explain please. and thank you for your time.

As someone who was designing sets a while, I'll provide insights from that perspective on the first question from my own experience. As a designer, I know that designers generally never share icons if they are going to be used in a similar set, but they will generally share them if the set is totally different. For example, I would be fine sharing the Jukebox novelties with someone doing a space themed set, but not a 50's Diner themed set. This isn't to be a jerk, its more to help make sure the set in question (Jukebox) retains that unique aspect as other sets come out based on the same theme/ideas. This also helps people avoid getting sets confused with one another if there are indeed similar colors or themes being used. As a designer I never minded this. Not only does it force you to be creative and come up with something new, but it also gives the community more unique products, especially as time goes on.

A good example would be to think a mold like a patent. Whoever gets to it first, gets it, even if people have been simultaneously working on it on opposite ends of the country. This rewards the person that "officially" invents something with the exclusive rights to it. So in the broader scope of things, this is just a very common business practice in so many different industries, and we are no different. Even though we really invest a lot of time, effort, and resources into the community, it should be noted that we have always been an industrial manufacturing company - not an "artisan" manufacturer. And because we don't have different rules for clients we can't just let people make a duplicate of an existing mold, this could certainly have serious consequences on the industrial side. I don't expect you to like the rule and you are certainly more than welcome to your own opinion, I'm just trying to explain it in a way to help make sense of it better.

So as I mentioned it can't be the exact same mold. In our system that mold is logged in our books. We don't do duplicates contractually. In the case of katakana, they are actually different in quite a few ways. And just like I mentioned here changes could have been made to make it useable. There are 100's of different iterations of it already you can find with a quick search. You can play on the same theme, you just can't make something that would be a duplicate of something already in our books.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 30 April 2021, 22:33:13
Okay, thank you for taking the time to reply, it is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Fri, 30 April 2021, 22:56:07
Okay, thank you for taking the time to reply, it is greatly appreciated.

Sure thing :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: break on Sat, 01 May 2021, 00:39:58
Really informative discussion towards the end here. Distinguishing between art and molds based on art is really helpful, and the legal nuances surrounding the differences (especially in Germany’s decidedly non-American system ;) ) should be understood by and shared broadly with keyset designers.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: GMK_Andy on Sat, 01 May 2021, 14:27:13
Really informative discussion towards the end here. Distinguishing between art and molds based on art is really helpful, and the legal nuances surrounding the differences (especially in Germany’s decidedly non-American system ;) ) should be understood by and shared broadly with keyset designers.

I'm writing up a post regarding this to clarify things further for the community - I'll be posting it within the GMK vendor forum after the vendors get our new contracts with updated language. This way everyone can be on the same page. It can also provide a better place to ask questions - doing this in an IC is less than ideal.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: HappyB0T on Mon, 03 May 2021, 07:14:32
Thank you for your response Andy. Understanding the approach and referencing thinking of molds as patents makes. Ton of sense. Thank you for taking your time to respond and the future response to the community. Thank you.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: Darthbaggins on Tue, 04 May 2021, 11:17:26
I want this set, I think if I get the Analog Dreams set and this I should be happy for a manageable period of time (of course till something else comes along coaxing my wallet to open up) - plus I think they would look amazing mixed together.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Thu, 13 May 2021, 01:37:40
Hi all. Minor update. We welcome Fancy Customs who will be selling Retrowave in South America!

Also, Oggi (please consider GMK Taiga) is working on some additional renders. This is the first of the series, so please enjoy!

(https://i.imgur.com/V0JGeg6.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/qXqzxmM.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/XOvcUPq.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: iShibe on Fri, 14 May 2021, 12:22:35
Daaaaaamn those renders are so clean. I'm still in love with this set. Dream set right here y'all. Please get this set  ;D

I'm so excited to put this on my Sunsetter.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: treeleaf64 on Fri, 14 May 2021, 12:24:34
Wow, the dirt on the renders is so realistic. I didn't even realize it was Rendered
 I thought it was on my monitor until I scrolled down

Very nice  render and I will think about the  Very Bright Colors   


while I slay the caterpillars trying to infest the 64 leaves that remain on the Tree.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: Oggi on Fri, 14 May 2021, 12:35:13
Wow, the dirt on the renders is so realistic. I didn't even realize it was Rendered
 I thought it was on my monitor until I scrolled down

Very nice  render and I will think about the  Very Bright Colors   


while I slay the caterpillars trying to infest the 64 leaves that remain on the Tree.


thank you treeleaf
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Sun, 23 May 2021, 21:45:28
Hi all. Unfortunately still nothing to report as we are still waiting on GMK to get back to us with quotes. We do have some more exciting new renders by Oggi! Board is a TGR Jane. Lighting is late afternoon, outdoors.

(https://i.imgur.com/JFPNKzk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EtTEuNd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pxXiIoL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HjlIfUx.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 08 June 2021, 08:22:24
cool

when GB
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Quotes]
Post by: iShibe on Tue, 08 June 2021, 21:09:44
cool

when GB

IIRC They are waiting for the Global Vendor's pricing to be finished. That's what I've gathered from looking through their Discord server.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Pricing. New RAMA reveal]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Wed, 09 June 2021, 02:42:13
That's right. Just waiting for global pricing so we can release that, which should happen in the next few days.

Also proud to present additional RAMA collab we have, for all the sneakerheads out there  :p

(https://i.imgur.com/tr3Deyr.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Pricing. New RAMA reveal]
Post by: iShibe on Mon, 21 June 2021, 14:14:53
That's right. Just waiting for global pricing so we can release that, which should happen in the next few days.

Also proud to present additional RAMA collab we have, for all the sneakerheads out there  :p

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/tr3Deyr.png)


I love it! However, just coming from GMK Pharaoh's Rama, they're both the same color... Is Rama only letting you do that gray/silver? Just thought I'd ask since both sets i'm watching have the same color Ramas now lmao
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Pricing. New RAMA reveal]
Post by: moonmaster on Mon, 21 June 2021, 19:30:57
Love this set

Sent from my LE2125 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [Waiting for Pricing. New RAMA reveal]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Tue, 22 June 2021, 02:16:14
That's right. Just waiting for global pricing so we can release that, which should happen in the next few days.

Also proud to present additional RAMA collab we have, for all the sneakerheads out there  :p

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/tr3Deyr.png)


I love it! However, just coming from GMK Pharaoh's Rama, they're both the same color... Is Rama only letting you do that gray/silver? Just thought I'd ask since both sets i'm watching have the same color Ramas now lmao

Thanks for the kind words! PVD Brass will look the same, yes.

In more general news - We're just finalising pricing across 2 vendors and we should be good to release pricing very soon. I'm also in talks to try and lock down a date.
GMKs current lead time is 43 weeks after submission of order.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [PRICING REVEALED. GB SOON]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Tue, 22 June 2021, 20:27:28
Bump for pricing! Just waiting on the last couple of columns from Europe and everything should be finalised.

We're looking to launch GB in July / August. Will announce a date as soon as we lock it in.

(https://i.imgur.com/TuRq0vw.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [PRICING REVEALED. GB SOON]
Post by: mr_foggy on Wed, 23 June 2021, 08:21:28
pricing does little for me as I was always in for every - single - kit. and artisans and deksmats and so on. can't miss the setting sun RAMAs.
can't wait.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [PRICING REVEALED. GB SOON]
Post by: hayasaka on Wed, 23 June 2021, 17:19:07
this gives off sick vibes
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [PRICING REVEALED. GB SOON]
Post by: KeyCartel on Wed, 23 June 2021, 17:26:39
thats some psychedelic looking caps
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [PRICING REVEALED. GB SOON]
Post by: iShibe on Wed, 23 June 2021, 21:16:28
AHHH finally a group buy timeframe! I'm SO excited!!!  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: Bonobo on Sun, 27 June 2021, 10:53:34
Awesome set, the renders are damn too good, good luck with GB!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: Manilal7 on Mon, 28 June 2021, 18:36:36
Hey All, excuse me if I sound dumb here, but is the group buy closed or yet to open for the GMK Retrowave?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: Adqam64 on Mon, 28 June 2021, 18:41:07
Hey All, excuse me if I sound dumb here, but is the group buy closed or yet to open for the GMK Retrowave?
As indicated in the subject, the GB opens for this set on 1 August.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: Manilal7 on Mon, 28 June 2021, 18:44:00
Hey All, excuse me if I sound dumb here, but is the group buy closed or yet to open for the GMK Retrowave?
As indicated in the subject, the GB opens for this set on 1 August.

Thanks, much appreciated :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: nexxd on Thu, 01 July 2021, 03:53:42
Very excited for this, my first Keycap GB too.

Is lack of RAMA in Uk and Europe normal? Or will those prices get added?

Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: acidbern on Mon, 05 July 2021, 05:29:41
Think I’m gonna spend all my savings here on this set…
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: JQ27 on Mon, 05 July 2021, 14:34:27
Bit late but can't hurt to ask, chance of sublegends on the UK-ISO Keys? Considering UK-ISO is in base would be super nice. Otherwise would skip on the alt Alphas.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Mon, 05 July 2021, 17:28:30
Bit late but can't hurt to ask, chance of sublegends on the UK-ISO Keys? Considering UK-ISO is in base would be super nice. Otherwise would skip on the alt Alphas.

Unfortunately not this late. Sorry!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: Nuap on Mon, 05 July 2021, 17:56:41
Congratulations on getting this one across the line, seems like it wasn't easy.


The kit pricing is pretty good too so I am definitely in for this one.



Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: andreiborisov on Tue, 06 July 2021, 20:03:47
Is it going to use new katakana molds developed by biip or the old ones?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 06 July 2021, 20:35:39
Is it going to use new katakana molds developed by biip or the old ones?

This set uses the new community katakana molds that were first developed by MiTo for GMK Mecha-01, with assistance from NK_, myself and a few others. These molds differ from biip's molds in that they are based on the standard ANSI-JP layout (and as such have kana placement which matches the output that you would get from a JP IME on most systems); whereas the layout that biip uses in his sets is based on a vintage JP layout used by Apple on the AEK and AEKII, and still partially in use by Apple today on modern macOS. Apart from this, there are also some visual differences in the legends themselves: shape, thickness, presence/lack of extra elements such as dotted boxes, etc.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: andreiborisov on Wed, 07 July 2021, 04:51:35
Is it going to use new katakana molds developed by biip or the old ones?

This set uses the new community katakana molds that were first developed by MiTo for GMK Mecha-01, with assistance from NK_, myself and a few others. These molds differ from biip's molds in that they are based on the standard ANSI-JP layout (and as such have kana placement which matches the output that you would get from a JP IME on most systems); whereas the layout that biip uses in his sets is based on a vintage JP layout used by Apple on the AEK and AEKII, and still partially in use by Apple today on modern macOS. Apart from this, there are also some visual differences in the legends themselves: shape, thickness, presence/lack of extra elements such as dotted boxes, etc.
Interesting! Thank you for the detailed explanation
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: _IanOfEarth on Thu, 08 July 2021, 12:37:07
Didn't see a link to an IC form so I will leave this here:

Please add two 1.5u Super keys and a second 1u Alt key either to the base kit or an extension kit to add support for macOS 7u and HHKB layouts.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: andreiborisov on Thu, 08 July 2021, 13:59:10
Didn't see a link to an IC form so I will leave this here:

Please add two 1.5u Super keys and a second 1u Alt key either to the base kit or an extension kit to add support for macOS 7u and HHKB layouts.
I'm afraid at this point the only option will be to use novelties for this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Retrowave [GB August 1]
Post by: SwitchKeys on Tue, 20 July 2021, 20:18:44

GB THREAD:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113905.0

Locking this one now. Thanks for the support everyone!