[COMPLETED!] WYSE Moogle Kits!

[Denonic]

With Wyse, unless you have a NIB copy, you are not going to get 100% color match because most used caps are yellowed to different degrees.  But, you can see your set's original order if you look under the cap, where the ABS plastic didn't get any UV exposure.

looks like the layout is going to change very soon

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I bought a 95% new one and they looks just like these.  Obviously this moogle kit will be a little hard to match everybody's.   Luckily most of the moogled keys are the darker grey which seems to show less variation than the white ones.  Best bet, use the underside to match the blue and grey like litster said.

[captain]

Ok, let me help.  Here is my Filco Camo TKL with keys from my Wyse50 installed on the alpha, arrows, and Function-keys.  Below is the SP ABS chip set, culled to eliminate the obviously not even close.  The two upside down keys are ESC and Numpad-3.  Y'all are correct, my keys have yellowed on top.  Too bad those are not the original colors, as I think they look better, but what do y'all think best matches the underside?  

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I think SPACE should be in the lighter color, and all the other modifiers in the darker color.

It would be really nice if we could get a FULL SET of new keys, so the aging won't be a problem.  I don't think there are any new Wyse keysets, are there?  They're all from the 1980s and 1990s, as far as I know.

PS: the proper blue for the legends is BFU

[captain]

PPS: I would suggest we include the   ~`   key in the DARKer color too.  The ~` key that comes with Wyse is lighter, and throws off the symmetry of the Filco TKL.  Space Bar in LIGHTER color, right?  Otherwise, it makes the alphas look "caged".  ;-)

[captain]

ALERT!  The reason we need a     ~`    key in this Moogle kit is not only because of the color, but also because of the extremely different profile!  I don't think we want this:

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[Denonic]

ALERT!  The reason we need a     ~`    key in this Moogle kit is not only because of the color, but also because of the extremely different profile!  I don't think we want this:

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My one is fine but I bought the PCE version.  I do see your point about using the darker grey though.

[litster]

ALERT!  The reason we need a     ~`    key in this Moogle kit is not only because of the color, but also because of the extremely different profile!  I don't think we want this:

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I did the same thing.  You don't have to use the lowered ~` key.  You use it because it is of the thicker kind.  IIRC, you can the ~` keycap at the correct R1 profile from a Wyse keyboard that also gives you the long shifts.  The ~` key color is the same as the rest.  It looks different because the shadow fools your brain.

[Denonic]

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I think SPACE should be in the lighter color, and all the other modifiers in the darker color.

PS: the proper blue for the legends is BFU

Maybe take a shot with the bottom of the two keys facing up next to the blue chipsets as well as the closest greys if you can?

[jellowiggler]

Please give me the SP ABS chip colors that this GB run is going to use.  Anyone?

Look at post 128 just up the page. Colour chips are being discussed and matched.

[dorkvader]

Captain: I have a WYSE50 that needed retrobriting, a WYSE60 that needed it a little, but I ran out of h2o2 and a WYSE30 that doesn't need anything. I can affirm that the keys are more grey than brown, and that ones that have yellowed with age look browner.


Also, the tilde key on WYSE 30,50 or 60 is definitely a different row, as it's normally located on the QWERTY row. The function and number rows are the same profile, the QWERTY row is a different. The ASDF row is different, and the bottom two are the same. This is usually 112344 or 443211 defending on if youre WASD/filco or SP. Either way, the tilde key should be available (please?)

[Quarzac]

I REALLY don't want to add keys to the buy so close to its conclusion. Doing so would inevitably change prices, and having to follow up with every person who ordered (about 30 at this point) to make sure they're ok with the price changes would delay us significantly.

[demik]

i have a feeling that even with the base set and add on set im going to be missing keycaps

[Quarzac]

I think for the color codes GE and BFU look to be the closest to me.

[demik]

btw PMd you my order

[lan123]

Bump for the aweosme thread.

[Denonic]

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Made this comparing the flattest bit of the key at the back due to lighting difference affecting that area the least.  A shot with it lined up with the the keys would be a better way to get more accurate lighting.

I lean more towards GTV for the dark grey when comparing the flat grey bit.  The blue for me actually looks more like BBI than BFU and for the space bar GBA was the only thing that blended.

[captain]

You need to know this by heart when your post count is over 200!  LOL!

Seriously!  I guess the whiskey and rum has taken its toll. ;-P

[captain]

I did the same thing.  You don't have to use the lowered ~` key.  You use it because it is of the thicker kind.  IIRC, you can the ~` keycap at the correct R1 profile from a Wyse keyboard that also gives you the long shifts.  The ~` key color is the same as the rest.  It looks different because the shadow fools your brain.

You completely missed my point. I DO have to use a ~ key. And if I use the Wyse one, it sits WAY too low.

My color complaint is that it is of the lighter color, instead of the darker color. The shadow in my photo is immaterial. the color pattern is broken by not having the ~ key and the modifiers in the darker shade.

I hope that is clearer.

[captain]

Maybe take a shot with the bottom of the two keys facing up next to the blue chipsets as well as the closest greys if you can?

Why?  Just use your color picker and compare colors. I used flash for best possible color fidelity.

[Denonic]

Why?  Just use your color picker and compare colors. I used flash for best possible color fidelity.

Yeh I went and just frankensteined your photo.  Check post #165.

[litster]

You completely missed my point. I DO have to use a ~ key. And if I use the Wyse one, it sits WAY too low.

some people have the ~` key at the right profile

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My color complaint is that it is of the lighter color, instead of the darker color. The shadow in my photo is immaterial. the color pattern is broken by not having the ~ key and the modifiers in the darker shade.

I hope that is clearer.

And since when the ~` needs to be the same color as the modifiers?



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[captain]

Yeh I went and just frankensteined your photo.  Check post #165.

Good job; but you had a good point initially, so here you go:

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The colors that I placed closest are the ones that I think match the best.  I realized that the BBI sometimes looks closer, but I am almost certain that the blie is BFU.

I hope y'all appreciate that I am [strike]giving up[/strike] eschewing momentarily booze, babes, and movies to help out here!  ;-)

[litster]

Why?  Just use your color picker and compare colors. I used flash for best possible color fidelity.

Flash does not equate color fidelity.

[captain]

some people have the ~` key at the right profile
And since when the ~` needs to be the same color as the modifiers?

Thanks litster

People with a usable ~ are lucky bastards!  

Good point, and data points, on the ~ color, but to my eye it would look better in the same shade as the modifiers, just as I prefer my \ key to be the same color as Backspace and Return.  I guess I'll have to do my own GB on a ~ key once we pick colors for this set.  :-)

Flash does not equate color fidelity.

And that is, alas, all too true.  But it does help.  At least it's a full-spectrum light, and the camera's color balance is automatically set correctly for the light, so it doesn't matter what colors predominate in the subject.  I was just sayin' it wasn't shot at sunset under a purple tarp, with candles in the background!  ;-)

[litster]

Don't get me wrong, for people who don't have the right ~` key, they need one like they need the \| and capslock keys in the group buy (how about tab?).  So I think that is a good idea.

I just don't think making the ~` key to the same color as the modifiers makes any sense at all.

[captain]

Oh crap!  Good call. Yep. We need tab keys too. I may be OUT of this buy after all. Sorry.
If you look at my camo Filco you'll see how much of the wyse I was able to use.

It is design sense that dictates the ~ key match the other "surround" keys. It doesn't look as good to have that dangling chad out there.

[Denonic]

Good job; but you had a good point initially, so here you go:

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The colors that I placed closest are the ones that I think match the best.  I realized that the BBI sometimes looks closer, but I am almost certain that the blie is BFU.

I hope y'all appreciate that I am [strike]giving up[/strike] eschewing momentarily booze, babes, and movies to help out here!  ;-)

Haha theres no reason you can't be boozing whilst doing this!  Definitely appreciated.

Also thats a much better picture.  So I guess from that we can pretty much deduce that the space bar's white should be GBA and the blue should be BFU.  What do you guys think?  As for the grey modifiers I'm a little thrown off now.  From that second image I'd probably lean more towards GJV than GTV where as it was the other way from the first image.  It might even be more like GSY?

[dorkvader]

I REALLY don't want to add keys to the buy so close to its conclusion. Doing so would inevitably change prices, and having to follow up with every person who ordered (about 30 at this point) to make sure they're ok with the price changes would delay us significantly.

's cool. I'm okay with WYSE profile differences, but it's not a full moogle kit (which will bother some people). In practice, the spacebar-row backspace I used for a month wasn't all that bad, and this is a much lesser change on a more-unused key.

Edit: I'm going to have to buy some more WYSE keyboards aren't I? This GB is getting expensive for me.

[DanGWanG]

Can I change my order to only a base kit?  Don't need the add on kit

[Forin]

We definitely need TAB in base kit.

F5-F8 keycaps should be taken into consideration.

Oh crap!  Good call. Yep. We need tab keys too. I may be OUT of this buy after all. Sorry.
If you look at my camo Filco you'll see how much of the wyse I was able to use.

It is design sense that dictates the ~ key match the other "surround" keys. It doesn't look as good to have that dangling chad out there.

[captain]

I hate to throw the monkey wrench into the GB, but if I am going to stay in then I want a proper Moogle Kit to fill out a Filco TKL, which should include:

keys in GTV with BFU legends
~
tab
capslock
left shift
2x 1.25 control
2x 1.25 alt
2x 1.25 windoze/command
1.25 blank
right shift
return
\
backspace

keys in GBA
space bar 6.25

(optional F5-F8 in GBA)
(possibly pg/up pg/dn scr/lock, etc. block (probably look best in GTV))

[Quarzac]

Alright, alright, here's what I'll do. I'll mail Melissa right now, see if adding a tab key would change the cost significantly, and if it's <=$1, or maybe very slightly more, I'll just go ahead with it. Any more than that and I feel like I should run it by all purchasers, which would inevitably delay us quite a bit. I think I'm going to drop the addon kit, as I don't think 6 more sets will drum up in the next two days. Also, I'm going to close this to further international orders. I don't think I'll have the time to fill out more customs forms with college decisions coming in soon and related tasks to fulfill.

[jellowiggler]

Tab might be a good idea.

Kill the coloured tilde.  None of my boards have a tilde that matches the modifier.

If your particular set has a lower profile I'm sure there are other cheap key sets and maybe someone can help you find an extra.  But I don't think a dark tilde belongs in a group buy change for everyone.  As far as I've ever seen nobody has ever made a two tone board where the tilde is modifier coloured. That doesn't mean you can't do it. Just that it probably isn't what people are going for.  It might stick out like the miss coloured caps lock from the thick pbt buy.

[Surly73]

Anyone willing to bounce a set to Canada?

Depending on the answers to a couple of questions I've PMed I am interested in a set.

[jellowiggler]

They ship to Canada.  I'm up here, I've got one coming.  Just order.  You don't need a proxy.

[dorkvader]

Tab might be a good idea.

Kill the coloured tilde.  None of my boards have a tilde that matches the modifier.

If your particular set has a lower profile I'm sure there are other cheap key sets and maybe someone can help you find an extra.  But I don't think it belongs in a group buy change for everyone.

See, if you have a WYSE PCE, then you don't need some of these caps anyway. If you have an older WYSE terminal, then you'll need the ~` key regardless. I'm not worried about it, but I'm okay with blatantly off profile keys. In the interest of a complete moogle kit, you'll need to include one.

I'm already buying a keyboard for this.

[Quarzac]

They ship to Canada.  I'm up here, I've got one coming.  Just order.  You don't need a proxy.

I closed it to further international orders because I already have 10 and don't have the time to fill out a million customs forms.

[captain]

My revised color recommendations, after viewing under various light sources, and accounting for yellowing of the backs too:

GG - dark gray
BFU - dark blue
GBA - light grey

[captain]

Since the GB will be over the $100 minimum, can you ask how much it would cost to ADD one (or a few) ~ key in the BFU on GG color combo, please?  I don't mind paying $5 for one key, but I don't want to have to pay $100min for a direct order.  It sounds like there might be several of us who would like to have that ~ key in dark, either to fix the profile and/or for design and balance aesthetics.

[litster]

Like I said, making a ~ key available is fine.  Making a ~ key the same darker color as modifiers makes absolutely no sense at all.  

I have no idea where your "design" and "balance aesthetics" come from.  The moogle kit is for complementing an existing Wyse keycap set that is used on a modern Cherry-based keyboard windows  1.25x modifers (addon kit for 1.5x modifiers).  I can't find any example of keyboards, including older school two-tone Cherry keyboards like black on white (double shot or dye sub) and Dolch, IBM model M, and newer Realforce keyboards that has the ~ in the same darker color as the modifiers.  If you have any, you should show it to use how much better its design and balanced aesthetics is.

If you want to make a separate kit that the 3 of you want, go ahead.  Just don't add it to the base kit or the addon kit.  Please don't make it sound like we have no sense of design or balance aesthetics because we want to use follow existing keyboard color schemes as our guideline, which what a moogle kit should be.

[Quarzac]

If a ~ key is added, it will be in the lighter tones of the alphanumerics. A tab key, however, would be darker. However, I still haven't heard from Melissa about it.

[litster]

If a ~ key is added, it will be in the lighter tones of the alphanumerics. A tab key, however, would be darker. However, I still haven't heard from Melissa about it.

^^^
This makes sense.  

Sense, dark ~ key does not make.

[dorkvader]

I closed it to further international orders because I already have 10 and don't have the time to fill out a million customs forms.

I'm only worknig 30Hrs/week, so anyone wanting international sets, PM me, and I'll figure out shipping.

If a ~ key is added, it will be in the lighter tones of the alphanumerics. A tab key, however, would be darker. However, I still haven't heard from Melissa about it.

See, this makes sense. Thanks, Quarzac.

[jellowiggler]

Currently at 43 base kits. 7 orders to get a good price drop!

[Changdrew]

Pm'd

[Denonic]

My revised color recommendations, after viewing under various light sources, and accounting for yellowing of the backs too:

GG - dark gray
BFU - dark blue
GBA - light grey

I don't think the backs would have enough yellowing to account for.  It would be so minute that you might be going in a less accurate direction by trying to compensate for it.  If that's still GG then sure.  The two photos aren't conclusive so it's all up to your eyes.

[shawn o]

Ill take one base set, PM sent

[bavman]

I closed it to further international orders because I already have 10 and don't have the time to fill out a million customs forms.

Smart you, I have 50 to fill out

[boost]

Hope we hit the 50 mark

Sent from a phone...

[Autolyze]

Is anyone opposed to just doubling the base orders or something if we're under 50? Two copies at the 75 mark is about the same price as one copy in the 25-49 range.

I'd also be okay with picking up a second addon kit if it would help it get produced.

[dirge]

Just get the base over 50 people!!!