Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 20 October 2016, 17:46:59
The Tale of an Explorer
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Massdrop x Zambumon GMK Nautilus Custom Keycap Set Drop page (https://bit.ly/NautilusDrop)
Project's Website (http://bit.ly/GMKNautilus)
Vote now and get notified! (http://bit.ly/NautilusPoll)
Story
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“The sea is everything. It covers seven-tenths of the terrestrial globe. Its breath is pure and life-giving. It is an immense desert place where man is never lonely, for he senses the weaving of Creation on every hand. It is the physical embodiment of a supernatural existence For the sea is itself nothing but love and emotion.”
– Captain Nemo
From the creator of The Amazing Chocolatier (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/the-amazing-chocolatier-custom-sa-keycap-set?mode=guest_open), here it is Nautilus, a keycap set inspired by Jules Vernes 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
Technical specs
- Designed by Zambumon
- Cherry Corp profile (12344)
- Thick 1.5mm ABS plastic with doubleshot legends
- Produced by GMK electronic design GmbH
- MX Style Compatible
- Compatible with ISO, HHKB, FC660M, WKL, 65%, 75%, Planck, and more!
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Base kit
Composed by almost 150 keycaps, the base kit balances cost and layout coverage: 60% (Poker, Ducky Mini, HHKB, KBParadise V60…), Leopold FC660M and Clueboard ,65% and 75% (Whitefox, TADA68, Saber68 M65-A, Exent, Octagon…) , TKL, ZZ96, RS96, Leopold FC980M, Duck Lightsaver, Duck Blackbird, 40% keyboards(JD40, JD45, Minorca, Minivan, and Caravan) and full-sized keyboards. It also includes UK ISO keycaps, winkeyless modifiers as well as a 6U spacebar with a centered stem.
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Ergodox & Planck
In combination with the base kit, the Ergodox & Planck kit provides all the extra keycaps you would need to cover your Ergodox, Planck, Preonic, or Let's Split. Includes 1U and 2U R4C keycaps. And yep, no blanks.
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NORDE
NORDE provides Danish, Finnish, German, Norwegian, and Swedish the essential keycaps needed for their keyboard layouts while keeping in mind affordability.
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Dvorak & Colemak
Includes homing keys for N, U, H, and T.
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Community
Because The MK community is both the best and the worst of this hobby. This kit offers you a set of 15 R1 novelties.
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Space bars
6u, 6.25U, and 7.00U spacebars as well as 1.75U, 2.00U, 2.25U, and 2.75U for split keyboards and 40 percents
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Gallery
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Frequent Asked Questions
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Is this a Group Buy?
Not yet, this set will drop in July 2017. Please make sure to be notified by
voting here (http://bit.ly/NautilusPoll)
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Does [insert a kit] include [insert a keycap]?
All kits include only the keys pictured.
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Where are the homing keycaps?
The set includes a pair scooped of homing keycaps.
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I have an ISO board, which child deals would cover my board?
You'll just need the base kit.
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Does the explorer kit include a 6U and a 7u space bar?
Yes
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How do I cover [insert a keyboard layout]?
- Standard 60%: Base kit
- Standard TKL: Base kit
- Fullsize keyboard: Base kit
- Planck or Preonic: Base kit + Ergodox & Planck kit
- Ergodox: Base kit + Ergodox & Planck kit
- Whitefox, Neutrino, Redscarft68: Base kit
- Winkeyless keyboard: Base kit
- HHKB-like keyboard (Duck Viper, Duck Eagle, some GH60 layouts, some KMAC Happy layouts): Base kit
- RS96, ZZ96, Duck BlackBird: Base kit
- Leopold FC660M, Clueboard: Base kit
- ISO keyboards: Base kit or Base kit + NORDE
- JD40, JD45 with 6.25U space bar: Base kit
- JD40, JD45, Minorca, Minivan: Base kit + Space bars
Any other kits are optional.
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Are the Corsair Strafe and Logitech G710 covered?
No, you'll need to use the stock 6.5U space bar
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Are kits final
No
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Which are the color chips of this set?
- Alphas are Pantone 534 C
- Alphas legends are TU2
- Modifiers are Pantone 533 C
- Modifiers legends are GMK N6
- Alternate modifiers are GMK N6
- Alternate modifiers legends are Pantone 533 C
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Acknowledgments
Special thanks to MiTo, T0mb3ry (AKA spoonyluv47), Livingspeedbump, techmattr, Data, Ideus, flehrad, InRosenWeTrust, Massdrop's MK team, and the GMK family.
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MOD EDIT: Changed title from "[IC] GMK Nautilus" to "[GB] Massdrop x Zambumon GMK Nautilus Custom Keycap Set" and moved to the Group Buys and Preorders sub-forum (https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=70.0).
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 20 October 2016, 17:47:16
- October 20th, 2016
- Nautilus is revelead.
- October 22nd, 2016
- Child deals changes
- Base kit
Added UK ISO.
- Base kit
- Child deals changes
Post by: tobsn on Thu, 20 October 2016, 17:53:19
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 20 October 2016, 17:56:56
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 20 October 2016, 17:59:30
Is a Blank Yellow Modifier Kit possible?
Adding more kits is not on my plan, since GMK's MoQ is pretty high.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:00:00
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:02:52
Looks good, I'd get it providing you don't throw a group buy at us for this year, so maybe March to avoid Plum?
This is still an interest check, so if I get any updates regarding this set making it to the GB stage I'll be posting them here.
Post by: Shados on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:09:07
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:29:24
Post by: oatsbagotes on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:33:50
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Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:34:04
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:39:38
Very nice set :eek:, This is the first GMK that I want to have on my board right now, Hoping the finished product looks accurate to the rendersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jzc9UkS.gif)
From what I've seen from Yuri and Carbon, GMK nailed the colors that were asked by T0mb3ry.
Post by: tobsn on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:46:47
Adding more kits is not on my plan, since GMK's MoQ is pretty high.
But since they're not labeled shouldn't that be less of a problem?
Post by: PatchSalts on Thu, 20 October 2016, 18:50:33
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 20 October 2016, 19:01:51
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 20 October 2016, 19:06:25
Might be interested. I'm not sure I need more keysets though.
My wife is positive I don't need more keysets. More keep showing up, though.
Post by: richard912 on Thu, 20 October 2016, 19:54:34
That sounds sooooo familiarMight be interested. I'm not sure I need more keysets though.
My wife is positive I don't need more keysets. More keep showing up, though.
Post by: effectiveduck on Thu, 20 October 2016, 20:38:44
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 20 October 2016, 20:47:31
I love the alphas. I'm not a huge fan of the mods, but I would probably be in just for the alphas.
I love them both...just not together. Something about it is just off to me.
Post by: Judge_Mental on Thu, 20 October 2016, 21:15:43
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 20 October 2016, 21:22:00
Post by: richard912 on Thu, 20 October 2016, 22:54:41
Post by: ideus on Thu, 20 October 2016, 23:41:42
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 21 October 2016, 02:33:14
I suggest you to move the ISO keys to the Explorer set; that, will encourage people the only need an ANSI standard set to get the base set, kat the lowest possible price.
I don't think it would be fair to move the ISO keys out of the main kit since ISO is a standard and the explorer kit's objetive is to offer compatibility with non-standard layouts.
Post by: pomk on Fri, 21 October 2016, 03:53:31
Post by: potatobot on Fri, 21 October 2016, 04:41:00
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 21 October 2016, 04:45:08
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 21 October 2016, 04:53:42
Glad you make that IC.As i said before great design and i am sure it will be very succesful. In this regard dont be shy to add some more kits or even novelties.
By the way i want to suggest to add a cyan on deep blue modifiers addon. This will give more customization and ofcourse draw more attention :)
Post by: wodan on Fri, 21 October 2016, 05:14:38
Just doing a little NORDE lobbying here :)
Post by: seville57 on Fri, 21 October 2016, 05:39:32
http://www.maxgaming.se/keycaps
I joined the first round of the Jukebox SA GB on Massdrop last year and there was an International kit to buy + a ISO Enter kit. But still you have the buy the ANSI base kit to get the ISO/Nordic layout, no problem with that, I have some ANSI k - boards too. That's the very big problem with the ISO layout. You can use ISO/UK/German sets on a ISO/Nordic k - board.
ANSI and ISO/Nordic Jukebox SA sets. The 2 orange pumpkins don't belong to the Jukebox set.
(http://i.imgur.com/R5s3icd.jpg)
This is the setup: 2 ANSI base kits
2 Numpad kits
2 Novelties kits
2 International kits
2 Non standard and color kits
2 ISO Enter kits
All this cost about 3000+ swedish kronor (not cheap).
Post by: gadzkun on Fri, 21 October 2016, 06:32:17
Post by: tobsn on Fri, 21 October 2016, 07:01:47
yellow arrow and yellow spacebars addon please :3
Yep, needs yellow modifier set :P
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 21 October 2016, 10:29:25
First of all, please keep in mind that this is a GMK set and the MOQ is high, so it is unviable to add kits like, for instance AZERTY or making a OS X kit…
Here are some changes that I'll be performing to the keyset:
- The base kit will cover UK ISO as well as yellow arrows.
- I will add a second pair of R4 1U Control and Alt to the explorer kit
- Finally, I will explore the possibility of making a novelty keycap for this set.
Thanks for the support :thumb:
Post by: arhetue on Fri, 21 October 2016, 10:30:24
Post by: tobsn on Fri, 21 October 2016, 10:45:13
- Finally, I will explore the possibility of making a novelty keycap for this set.
2.75u! please! :D
Post by: waqar on Fri, 21 October 2016, 11:17:42
- Finally, I will explore the possibility of making a novelty keycap for this set.
2.75u! please! :D
+1
Yes Please, this would support the Banana Split IC that is going on. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84891.0
Post by: wishful_cynic on Fri, 21 October 2016, 11:28:05
I really dislike the yellow legends on the mods. It would be nice to offer an alternative set of mods.
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 21 October 2016, 12:59:37
Post by: mathilda on Fri, 21 October 2016, 13:50:19
Post by: Vox_PT on Fri, 21 October 2016, 13:53:48
Post by: catweewee on Fri, 21 October 2016, 14:46:17
Zambu you are my hero
Post by: ideus on Fri, 21 October 2016, 15:20:40
I suggest you to move the ISO keys to the Explorer set; that, will encourage people the only need an ANSI standard set to get the base set, kat the lowest possible price.
I don't think it would be fair to move the ISO keys out of the main kit since ISO is a standard and the explorer kit's objetive is to offer compatibility with non-standard layouts.
I've read arguments in the line that ANSI users should patronage the ISO's; by the way, I use both, but prefer the ISO enter, what makes me an ISO user, still, I think that ANSI only users do not have to pay for ISO. Anyways, it is your set, your rules, your call.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Fri, 21 October 2016, 18:28:33
How about adding nordeuk keys to the non-standard kit akin to light cycle? ;)
That's a good idea. I would love a full ISO GMK set
Post by: My_Thoughts on Fri, 21 October 2016, 18:29:54
Ok, small update about Nautilus:
First of all, please keep in mind that this is a GMK set and the MOQ is high, so it is unviable to add kits like, for instance AZERTY or making a OS X kit…
Here are some changes that I'll be performing to the keyset:
- The base kit will cover UK ISO as well as yellow arrows.
- I will add a second pair of R4 1U Control and Alt to the explorer kit
- Finally, I will explore the possibility of making a novelty keycap for this set.
Thanks for the support :thumb:
To bump the interest in the Explorer set would you consider adding the Colemak backspace? Just an idea :)
Post by: feediko on Fri, 21 October 2016, 19:08:45
Two if we can get a ISO-nordic kit going...
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 21 October 2016, 19:35:52
Might be interested. I'm not sure I need more keysets though.I don't need more keysets. Doubt i can resist this, though.
Post by: dadoduk on Fri, 21 October 2016, 20:19:36
I will wait your GB!!
Post by: sambarugh on Fri, 21 October 2016, 21:25:53
Post by: Vox_PT on Sat, 22 October 2016, 05:03:20
Post by: pomk on Sat, 22 October 2016, 09:52:11
Post by: TalkingTree on Sat, 22 October 2016, 11:12:14
(http://i.imgur.com/XjUQNFO.png)
Also, there is a ISO kit but no Alt Gr.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Sat, 22 October 2016, 21:28:02
Post by: Locnguyen1507 on Sun, 23 October 2016, 00:15:23
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 23 October 2016, 05:28:07
Even 1x would be enough, I can buy/trade for additional ones
Post by: poolside on Sun, 23 October 2016, 16:48:47
Nautilus reminds me of some Lego aquanauts sets. I like the contrast to the cyan and the little bit of warmth the yellow provides.
1.25 Cmd please, be the first, make history :)
I second that.
May I also suggest, for all the CapsLock/Control swappers out there, the addition of the 1.25u R4 CapsLock to complement that 1.75 R3 Control?
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 23 October 2016, 17:40:59
- Despite being a MacOS user myself, Nautilus doesn't have a CMD keycap for the same reason it doesn't have a Windows 10 (or any previous Windows) icon. Code serves as substitute of the OS keycap for everyone (OS X, Linux, and Windows).
- As for the Alt Gr, it could be possible to change one of the 1.25U and one of the 1.5U Alt modifiers for Alt Gr.
- Speaking of the R2 1.5U Delete. I'd like to keep it that way, since it is closer to the HHKB layout.
- Finally, and as I said in an earlier post. A second pair of Ctrl and Alt will be added to the Explorer kit.
Expect minor changes.
Post by: tobsn on Sun, 23 October 2016, 17:47:27
- Despite being a MacOS user myself, Nautilus doesn't have a CMD keycap for the same reason it doesn't have a Windows 10 (or any previous Windows) icon. Code serves as substitute of the OS keycap for everyone (OS X, Linux, and Windows).
- As for the Alt Gr, it could be possible to change one of the 1.25U and one of the 1.5U Alt modifiers for Alt Gr.
- Speaking of the R2 1.5U Delete. I'd like to keep it that way, since it is closer to the HHKB layout.
- Finally, and as I said in an earlier post. A second pair of Ctrl and Alt will be added to the Explorer kit.
Expect minor changes.
so no blank modifiers and no nordic?
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 23 October 2016, 17:52:13
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 23 October 2016, 18:03:32
- Despite being a MacOS user myself, Nautilus doesn't have a CMD keycap for the same reason it doesn't have a Windows 10 (or any previous Windows) icon. Code serves as substitute of the OS keycap for everyone (OS X, Linux, and Windows).
- As for the Alt Gr, it could be possible to change one of the 1.25U and one of the 1.5U Alt modifiers for Alt Gr.
- Speaking of the R2 1.5U Delete. I'd like to keep it that way, since it is closer to the HHKB layout.
- Finally, and as I said in an earlier post. A second pair of Ctrl and Alt will be added to the Explorer kit.
Expect minor changes.
Code theoretically is a substitute for everyone, but practically it's not a substitute for me, call me autistic, but Code+C=Command just messes me up - also, on a non-standard level, I actually have a modifier named "Code", so It's not that I don't want Code, but it doesn't work as Cmd/Win
I've seen many Windows users share similar views, some don't like using Code either
Will the set sell 1000 sets still? Yes.
But just 1 additional keycap makes this 100% perfect for me, 1 missing and it's at 75% :(
Post by: tobsn on Sun, 23 October 2016, 20:49:17
I've designed myself a keyset before, and have been actively following all of the group buys for the last couple years. I cannot justify the addition of a Nordic/German support as they knowing that it won't reach MoQ with GMK as those kits barely hit the 50 units in SA or doubleshot DSA.
alright then just do blank modifiers... 1.25/1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5/2.75... I'll take 2 or 3 of those and I'd be super happy... and a ton of other people as well ;)
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 23 October 2016, 22:07:19
alright then just do blank modifiers... 1.25/1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5/2.75... I'll take 2 or 3 of those and I'd be super happy... and a ton of other people as well ;)
Blank mods seem to be struggling pulling numbers as well with SA/DSA child kits - some of these less sought after keys are so hectic to get in with GMK as their MOQ is so high. "a ton of other people" is so subjective, if you read massdrop and even ICs here every time a drop happens or a new set pops up like half the comments (on MD at least) are "where's ISO" and "wow, no ISO, I'm done" then when something like Godspeed pops up ISO UK sells 30 kits and NORDE sells 50 (blanks sold like 60 for reference).
Of course some people would be happy if these kits were to be added to every single set/buy but one cannot fault designers for neglecting them either due to them being supremely unsuccessful and/or just getting in the way of MOQ being hit if they're included. It does suck but I'm glad I made the swap to ANSI a few years ago, reprogrammable keyboards and being able to swap language in windows is more than enough, assuming that'd be the case for anyone else too unless they need to look at their caps while typing and/or get OCD from typing on the wrong legends.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 24 October 2016, 04:38:36
I've designed myself a keyset before, and have been actively following all of the group buys for the last couple years. I cannot justify the addition of a Nordic/German support as they knowing that it won't reach MoQ with GMK as those kits barely hit the 50 units in SA or doubleshot DSA.Ok. Then please consider polling for uk vs norde for the main kit. There have been many uk gmk buys during this year, but no nordic ones. To balance the difference in the base kits price, you could move the norde keys to the adapter kit along with the iso enter. Also the international kit reached 133 sold in the recent Lightcycle GB.
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 24 October 2016, 05:05:51
Post by: forevermadrigal on Mon, 24 October 2016, 05:07:10
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 24 October 2016, 05:19:53
+1 for the yellow spacebars. I think it'll make the set pop out more.
I have nothing against extra keycaps, but, the set has a Mysterious vibe, that comes from the Darkness, a yellow spacebar could make GMK Nautilus the GMK Yellow Submarine, not my cup of tea, but definitely very interesting :)
Post by: forevermadrigal on Mon, 24 October 2016, 05:41:50
+1 for the yellow spacebars. I think it'll make the set pop out more.
I have nothing against extra keycaps, but, the set has a Mysterious vibe, that comes from the Darkness, a yellow spacebar could make GMK Nautilus the GMK Yellow Submarine, not my cup of tea, but definitely very interesting :)
If it was a smaller layout I would say it looks like a yellow submarine. I'm thinking more about the bigger picture :)
Post by: Fetty AWP on Mon, 24 October 2016, 05:55:32
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 24 October 2016, 06:55:03
I've designed myself a keyset before, and have been actively following all of the group buys for the last couple years. I cannot justify the addition of a Nordic/German support as they knowing that it won't reach MoQ with GMK as those kits barely hit the 50 units in SA or doubleshot DSA.Ok. Then please consider polling for uk vs norde for the main kit. There have been many uk gmk buys during this year, but no nordic ones. To balance the difference in the base kits price, you could move the norde keys to the adapter kit along with the iso enter. Also the international kit reached 133 sold in the recent Lightcycle GB.
I would suggest putting the nordic and UK ISO together. The UK set only needs a few extra keys and I think this would help sales.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 24 October 2016, 07:16:01
As I said in my post, no separate kit please. Just include them in the base set or the addon set you already have in place, otherwise they wont tip anyway and there is no point. As it seems that you are willing to consider only one ISO language kit (UK), I would just like that you consider also other options. The market for GMK UK is already being filled with other sets, while the demand for other languages is definitely there.I've designed myself a keyset before, and have been actively following all of the group buys for the last couple years. I cannot justify the addition of a Nordic/German support as they knowing that it won't reach MoQ with GMK as those kits barely hit the 50 units in SA or doubleshot DSA.Ok. Then please consider polling for uk vs norde for the main kit. There have been many uk gmk buys during this year, but no nordic ones. To balance the difference in the base kits price, you could move the norde keys to the adapter kit along with the iso enter. Also the international kit reached 133 sold in the recent Lightcycle GB.
I would suggest putting the nordic and UK ISO together. The UK set only needs a few extra keys and I think this would help sales.
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 24 October 2016, 07:19:21
As I said in my post, no separate kit please. Just include them in the base set or the addon set you already have in place, otherwise they wont tip anyway and there is no point. As it seems that you are willing to consider only one ISO language kit (UK), I would just like that you consider also other options. The market for GMK UK is already being filled with other sets, while the demand for other languages is definitely there.I've designed myself a keyset before, and have been actively following all of the group buys for the last couple years. I cannot justify the addition of a Nordic/German support as they knowing that it won't reach MoQ with GMK as those kits barely hit the 50 units in SA or doubleshot DSA.Ok. Then please consider polling for uk vs norde for the main kit. There have been many uk gmk buys during this year, but no nordic ones. To balance the difference in the base kits price, you could move the norde keys to the adapter kit along with the iso enter. Also the international kit reached 133 sold in the recent Lightcycle GB.
I would suggest putting the nordic and UK ISO together. The UK set only needs a few extra keys and I think this would help sales.
Wow
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 24 October 2016, 09:15:58
Also the international kit reached 133 sold in the recent Lightcycle GB.
That is incorrect, the "international kit" you speak of is actually a compatibility kit that includes Tsangan spacebars, 1.5 mods and a myriad of other adapter keys that are used in many non-standard layouts that have absolutely nothing to do with international boards. Let's say half those 133 kits were purchased with the intent of being used on UK/NORDE boards, which I know is already being generous - that's 67 rounded up, how many orders do you expect Nautilus or any other good GMK set to potentially pull if it releases on Massdrop some time next year? Let's speculate 1500 which I believe is very realistic, if a theoretical international kit were to sell 67 kits that'd be 4.5% of all orders placed.
Godspeed is the easiest comparison to draw right now but there are other older examples that tell the same tale (Jukebox, the original Hyperfuse, GMK carbon, etc.) - out of 3700 orders placed UK plus Norde (2 diff kits) sold like 80 kits. Blank ergodox sold more than both of them individually (bare in mind there was also a regular Ergodox kit) and UK was literally the one that sold the least out of every single kit. Together they accomplished exactly 2.3% of the buy. Why would you push people to buy like 30 keys to include ISO/Norde in a base set if it caters to such a minuscule audience, that's completely irrational both from a resource as well as monetary point of view. Including it in the addons would literally double the amount of keys which again is far from sustainable in my opinion especially with GMK.
As you said yourself, if they're sold separately they won't tip so why do you wanna shove them onto the other kits and force them upon other people? As I've said just make the swap to ANSI already and put all that behind you, my wife is Finnish as well and we both just use ANSI with reprogrammable keyboards and/or Portuguese/Finnish windows language preferences, it's not like we look at legends. I understand many will probably not want to do that but then you have to deal with it and accept the fact that this is a business and like any other sale in any other area if the numbers are not there then it's not happening. Talk to Mito, T0mb3ry, Livingspeedbump or anyone else and I'm pretty sure they'll all say the same Zambumon's already stated here.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 24 October 2016, 10:29:29
You are correct in all of the points you make, though by the same reasoning I don't see the point of adding any ISO support in the first place. Seeing how Zambumon is already adding ISO UK in the base set, against your logic, I only asked him to entertain the thought of switching to some other language as UK has been done to death already.Also the international kit reached 133 sold in the recent Lightcycle GB.
That is incorrect, the "international kit" you speak of is actually a compatibility kit that includes Tsangan spacebars, 1.5 mods and a myriad of other adapter keys that are used in many non-standard layouts that have absolutely nothing to do with international boards. Let's say half those 133 kits were purchased with the intent of being used on UK/NORDE boards, which I know is already being generous - that's 67 rounded up, how many orders do you expect Nautilus or any other good GMK set to potentially pull if it releases on Massdrop some time next year? Let's speculate 1500 which I believe is very realistic, if a theoretical international kit were to sell 67 kits that'd be 4.5% of all orders placed.
Godspeed is the easiest comparison to draw right now but there are other older examples that tell the same tale (Jukebox, the original Hyperfuse, GMK carbon, etc.) - out of 3700 orders placed UK plus Norde (2 diff kits) sold like 80 kits. Blank ergodox sold more than both of them individually (bare in mind there was also a regular Ergodox kit) and UK was literally the one that sold the least out of every single kit. Together they accomplished exactly 2.3% of the buy. Why would you push people to buy like 30 keys to include ISO/Norde in a base set if it caters to such a minuscule audience, that's completely irrational both from a resource as well as monetary point of view. Including it in the addons would literally double the amount of keys which again is far from sustainable in my opinion especially with GMK.
As you said yourself, if they're sold separately they won't tip so why do you wanna shove them onto the other kits and force them upon other people? As I've said just make the swap to ANSI already and put all that behind you, my wife is Finnish as well and we both just use ANSI with reprogrammable keyboards and/or Portuguese/Finnish windows language preferences, it's not like we look at legends. I understand many will probably not want to do that but then you have to deal with it and accept the fact that this is a business and like any other sale in any other area if the numbers are not there then it's not happening. Talk to Mito, T0mb3ry, Livingspeedbump or anyone else and I'm pretty sure they'll all say the same Zambumon's already stated here.
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 24 October 2016, 10:32:48
I mean, it's not like you are requesting an additional set, which would make sense, you are explicitly requesting it to be added to the base set
My constructive suggestion: Support GMK Carbon's International now, if that set succeeds, you might request the exact same keycaps to be added as an extras pack - this makes sense
Post by: pomk on Mon, 24 October 2016, 10:36:09
What I understood is: Add Norde, put it into Base, otherwise It won't reach MoQ, let everyone receive NordeIf only Carbon international would be sold with the necessary keys to populate a keyboard. :( It's hard to imagine that there would be 150 sets available on the aftermarket at a reasonable price, which is why I think that carbon international is not likely to succeed.
I mean, it's not like you are requesting an additional set, which would make sense, you are explicitly requesting it to be added to the base set
My constructive suggestion: Support GMK Carbon's International now, if that set succeeds, you might request the exact same keycaps to be added as an extras pack - this makes sense
edit: sorry for my continued rambling, but in order to have a chance for an international GMK set to stand on it's own, the price needs to be brought down. One idea of how this could be achieved is to split the ANSI specific keys from the base set as follows:
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I know that most of the GB leaders are very ANSI oriented and that ISO is sort of an afterthought, for which I'm grateful, but the fact of the matter is that right now with every set 'let everyone receive ANSI' is the baseline and us international people play a high premium for getting anything at all. This is especially frustrating with GMK buys and their high MOQ disallowing the chance of having one, with the correct legends, completely.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 24 October 2016, 14:18:00
If only Carbon international would be sold with the necessary keys to populate a keyboard. :( It's hard to imagine that there would be 150 sets available on the aftermarket at a reasonable price, which is why I think that carbon international is not likely to succeed.
I guess the biggest question is would massdrop run it again? If 100 people buy the ISO kit and then vote for MD to run the orignal again it might work. But some sets seem to get 1000's of votes and not get redone.
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 24 October 2016, 18:07:48
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 26 October 2016, 09:07:45
As T0mb3ry suggested, I've decided to add a novelty kit and I'm already working on it. It will be probably finished by Sunday :thumb:
Post by: thad on Wed, 26 October 2016, 09:10:21
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Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 26 October 2016, 09:21:23
Post by: ideus on Wed, 26 October 2016, 09:32:24
I've designed myself a keyset before, and have been actively following all of the group buys for the last couple years. I cannot justify the addition of a Nordic/German support as they knowing that it won't reach MoQ with GMK as those kits barely hit the 50 units in SA or doubleshot DSA.
That is why HAD kits make a lot of sense, it was the only way for German fellows to adapt their HAD sets to contemporary layouts. Otherwise, their only option if to move to ANSI-US-Int to be able to use any of the recent sets offered in GBs; but, that may be a sub-par solution for typing in German.
Post by: XTgg on Wed, 26 October 2016, 10:05:10
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 26 October 2016, 11:01:20
Planck kit need 2 space bar
Since when are there Plancks with 2 spacebars? AFAIK it's either 2u or 2x1u
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 26 October 2016, 12:47:48
Planck kit need 2 space bar
Since when are there Plancks with 2 spacebars? AFAIK it's either 2u or 2x1u
Planck kit already has a 2u key that I believe is intended to be the spacebar. I don't think it's currently possible to make those caps convex like the traditional long spacebars though -- at least, I don't recall ever seeing it before.
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 26 October 2016, 13:19:16
Some people put two 2u on their split Plancks, and IIRC the Diverge TM from UniKeyboard requires two 2u.Planck kit need 2 space bar
Since when are there Plancks with 2 spacebars? AFAIK it's either 2u or 2x1u
Post by: Gatix on Wed, 26 October 2016, 13:28:11
Post by: forevermadrigal on Wed, 26 October 2016, 14:13:03
Post by: rotciveel on Wed, 26 October 2016, 15:25:53
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 26 October 2016, 18:22:17
Is there a possibility for Ergodox kits?
Yes, by extending the Planck kit.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 30 October 2016, 05:49:34
Post by: tmk1207 on Sun, 30 October 2016, 05:50:35
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 30 October 2016, 20:38:46
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Post by: ideus on Wed, 02 November 2016, 10:21:39
Post by: diiiP on Fri, 18 November 2016, 04:53:57
Wodan did a great job breaking down the Key requirements for an advanced ISO-International Kit.
For details you could check his thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
But the gist of it:
(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
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Meanwhile I just keep on praying that one day I will get an GMK Set that I can use at work :)
Post by: rioc on Fri, 18 November 2016, 09:46:04
Regarding the discusion about an ISO Norde / Germany set:
Wodan did a great job breaking down the Key requirements for an advanced ISO-International Kit.
For details you could check his thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
But the gist of it:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
35 Keys
Meanwhile I just keep on praying that one day I will get an GMK Set that I can use at work :)
yes, this extra kit please! It's as close as I'll get to make it CH-DE compatible... pretty please :) (at least put it up there as an option and let Massdrop orders decide if it reaches MoQ... if anywhere it'll reach it on MD
Post by: SpareWalrus on Sun, 20 November 2016, 21:42:35
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Post by: Belgaer on Mon, 21 November 2016, 17:13:07
The only problem I have with it is the divide sign on the numpad, really should be a slash. The people who actually go for fullsize keyboards over TKL will appreciate this, it's a much more natural and neutral choice for the divide key. The divide sign there (obelus) is only really used in schools when teaching how to divide numbers.
All the best with the project!
Post by: rioc on Tue, 29 November 2016, 07:23:37
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 12:57:22
sorry since it's been mentioned a few times, but I must reassure my interest in an international kit (and the set in general ofc) :)
Carbon had issues with the international kit on MD recently, so I think that that will be rough.
Post by: pomk on Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:24:23
1. Carbon international succeeded, unlike ah so many ansi GMK sets before.sorry since it's been mentioned a few times, but I must reassure my interest in an international kit (and the set in general ofc) :)
Carbon had issues with the international kit on MD recently, so I think that that will be rough.
2. It had it unreasonably rough because base sets were not readily available at a reasonable price.
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:26:25
1. Carbon international succeeded, unlike ah so many ansi GMK sets before.sorry since it's been mentioned a few times, but I must reassure my interest in an international kit (and the set in general ofc) :)
Carbon had issues with the international kit on MD recently, so I think that that will be rough.
2. It had it unreasonably rough because base sets were not readily available at a reasonable price.
True, but nonetheless struggled to reach that number with over 1800 base sets sold. I'm aware of the circumstances :P but still, it struggled.
Post by: pomk on Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:28:05
300 USD is a great price for a GMK set ... and even at those odds it succeeded, making me think that there is more interest for international GMK than you give credit for.1. Carbon international succeeded, unlike ah so many ansi GMK sets before.sorry since it's been mentioned a few times, but I must reassure my interest in an international kit (and the set in general ofc) :)
Carbon had issues with the international kit on MD recently, so I think that that will be rough.
2. It had it unreasonably rough because base sets were not readily available at a reasonable price.
True, but nonetheless struggled to reach that number with over 1800 base sets sold. I'm aware of the circumstances :P but still, it struggled.
Post by: salasource on Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:35:37
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:53:47
- Base kit Remains as it is or minor changes
- Explorer kit Remains as it is or minor changes
- New:Planck & Ergodox
- New:Novelties (community novelties + Nautilus novelties)
- New:Yellow Spacebars 6U, 6.25U and 7U
- New:International kit: Nordic and German. It will have less keycaps than Carbon's as I want to make it more compact in order to get more people getting it.
(http://i.imgur.com/9X6SU0P.jpg)
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:01:47
Post by: neon_tom on Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:11:24
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:23:08
sorry since it's been mentioned a few times, but I must reassure my interest in an international kit (and the set in general ofc) :)
Carbon had issues with the international kit on MD recently, so I think that that will be rough.
This is very unjust, the reason Carbon had issues because it launched months after the original set, international people didn't had the opportunity to join the original GB
I think international people deserved their GMK spot
FYI, I personally have 0 interest in an international set - just setting the record straight
I mean, if an additional pack is added an as International Kit, does it hurt anyone?! - if it doesn't reach MOQ, it doesn't ...
Post by: losskutleboys on Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:24:53
Post by: pomk on Tue, 29 November 2016, 16:00:29
I agree with JChan, and I doubt that the International kit unlocks (unless GMK exceptionally lowers the MOQ for just that kit like they have done with the Carbon Add-On). That being said, this is what I've been thinking:Just dump UK to the international pool as well for a better chance of success.
- Base kit Remains as it is or minor changes
- Explorer kit Remains as it is or minor changes
- New:Planck & Ergodox
- New:Novelties (community novelties + Nautilus novelties)
- New:Yellow Spacebars 6U, 6.25U and 7U
- New:International kit: Nordic and German. It will have less keycaps than Carbon's as I want to make it more compact in order to get more people getting it.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9X6SU0P.jpg)
Post by: HypeSloth on Wed, 30 November 2016, 20:25:42
Post by: rioc on Thu, 01 December 2016, 01:24:49
I agree with JChan, and I doubt that the International kit unlocks (unless GMK exceptionally lowers the MOQ for just that kit like they have done with the Carbon Add-On). That being said, this is what I've been thinking:
- Base kit Remains as it is or minor changes
- Explorer kit Remains as it is or minor changes
- New:Planck & Ergodox
- New:Novelties (community novelties + Nautilus novelties)
- New:Yellow Spacebars 6U, 6.25U and 7U
- New:International kit: Nordic and German. It will have less keycaps than Carbon's as I want to make it more compact in order to get more people getting it.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9X6SU0P.jpg)
YAY, int. Kit ftw! :)
Post by: LeandreN on Thu, 01 December 2016, 01:47:28
Regarding the discusion about an ISO Norde / Germany set:
Wodan did a great job breaking down the Key requirements for an advanced ISO-International Kit.
For details you could check his thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
But the gist of it:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
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Meanwhile I just keep on praying that one day I will get an GMK Set that I can use at work :)
Yes, please consider this.
Post by: TalkingTree on Thu, 01 December 2016, 02:38:30
Pretty please.Regarding the discusion about an ISO Norde / Germany set:
Wodan did a great job breaking down the Key requirements for an advanced ISO-International Kit.
For details you could check his thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
But the gist of it:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
35 Keys
Meanwhile I just keep on praying that one day I will get an GMK Set that I can use at work :)
Yes, please consider this.
Post by: Coang on Thu, 01 December 2016, 03:31:29
Post by: pomk on Thu, 01 December 2016, 14:44:54
Unless the base set sells 1000+ units, it is likely to be cheaper for norde folk to buy a set specifically made for them instead of ansi+uk+norde keys.
Post by: rioc on Fri, 02 December 2016, 01:00:22
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 02 December 2016, 14:01:02
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looks
(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
Post by: Damonskv on Fri, 02 December 2016, 14:05:26
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looksShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
A real competitor for the first place in my desired sets
Nice work, man
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 02 December 2016, 15:17:40
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
Incredible. It's interesting how just the one key breathes so much life into the set - I appreciated it for its simplicity and contrasts from the get-go but I'm usually keen on a bit more flair to my sets, the yellow spacebar does exactly that. Turns what otherwise would've been a super sober set into something even better (for my taste). I'm so glad you're pondering adding them!
Post by: thad on Fri, 02 December 2016, 19:34:04
Post by: losskutleboys on Fri, 02 December 2016, 23:44:29
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looksShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 03 December 2016, 10:00:32
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looksShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?
It will be a separate kit.
Post by: losskutleboys on Sat, 03 December 2016, 10:45:18
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looksShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?
It will be a separate kit.
Can't wait. Soooo, any ETA ? ;D
Post by: neon_tom on Sat, 03 December 2016, 11:55:50
Post by: catweewee on Sat, 03 December 2016, 12:16:15
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Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 04 December 2016, 09:52:38
Can we swap the yellows into the base kit :p
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this. though if 6.25u yellow spacebar is already in the base kit, less ppl would buy the space bar kit itself. GMK Carbon as example, of ~2000 base kit sold, only 150 or so bought the space bar kit :(
Post by: catweewee on Sun, 04 December 2016, 11:12:44
Can we swap the yellows into the base kit :p
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this. though if 6.25u yellow spacebar is already in the base kit, less ppl would buy the space bar kit itself. GMK Carbon as example, of ~2000 base kit sold, only 150 or so bought the space bar kit :(
A yellow spacebar compliments the set better
Post by: rioc on Mon, 05 December 2016, 08:04:47
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looksShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
neat! looks really really good :D Thx for tha fast fix-up :)
Post by: NoahNHP on Tue, 06 December 2016, 00:09:51
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looksShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
Dang i love this keyset :-*
Post by: nickle3246 on Fri, 09 December 2016, 03:28:14
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 09 December 2016, 10:32:28
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looksShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?
It will be a separate kit.
will we get to see renders of the 'separate kit' ?
Post by: Perfex on Fri, 09 December 2016, 14:12:33
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Fri, 09 December 2016, 16:49:27
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 09 December 2016, 17:05:01
any renders with the yellow spacebar? wondering how that looksShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/f3GPs9o.png)
Nice. is this separate kit or included in base kit ?
It will be a separate kit.
will we get to see renders of the 'separate kit' ?
I'll try to render the new kits and update the webpage as soon as I can (I'm currently pretty busy with uni stuff).
Post by: kiwi99 on Fri, 09 December 2016, 17:07:51
Post by: Belgaer on Sat, 10 December 2016, 05:58:28
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.
Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D
Post by: catweewee on Sat, 10 December 2016, 06:09:30
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.
Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D
Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.
Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.
Post by: poolside on Sat, 10 December 2016, 06:50:25
Post by: TalkingTree on Sat, 10 December 2016, 07:03:43
Post by: nickle3246 on Sat, 10 December 2016, 07:14:27
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.
Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D
Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.
Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.
Most people don't buy the kits, by splitting it up it becomes cheaper for most people. If you want to buy a kit, then yes it's more expensive because fewer of them are being produced.
But since the main set is much cheaper, more people will buy the main set, which means there's a higher chance that anything gets produced at all. And I say that as a person who always wants the ISO-Nordic kit, but I'm not going to force everybody else to also buy the ISO-Nordic kit (by including the kit in the main set) so I can have it cheaper
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 10 December 2016, 08:03:15
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.
Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D
Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.
Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.
Do not compare GMK Retro, which had 2 options per kit, and you needed Base Alphas($65) + True Retro Kit($60) + Pro Retro Modifiers($35)+ Numpad Kit ($35) to cover a Redscarf96 or full-sized Winkeyless ($195) with GMK Nautilus, where you can cover those board with a Base kit that will most likely be under the $110 and the Explorer kit.
Post by: pomk on Sat, 10 December 2016, 08:38:49
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 10 December 2016, 08:41:06
Hi, what is going to be the MOQ of the norde set, and is UK going to be moved there?
GMK MOQ is 150 units.
Post by: pomk on Sat, 10 December 2016, 08:53:24
If you are going to keep UK in the main set, and are unable to negotiate a MOQ of less than 150, could you please consider making the norde kit a base kit replacement instead of an addon? It would reduce the cost immensely by removing about 35U worth of completely unnecessary keys and by reducing the amount of kits needed by one (I assume that sorting and setup fees are charged on a per kit basis).Hi, what is going to be the MOQ of the norde set, and is UK going to be moved there?
GMK MOQ is 150 units.
Post by: Belgaer on Sat, 10 December 2016, 11:03:03
There's a difference between some people having the wrong legends, and some people literally not having the keys to fit on their keyboard when they use a standard layout and have bought a base set.
I will definitely buy it if ISO is in the base set but don't think I'll be able to afford it if it's a separate kit.
Separate base sets for each standard is an interesting idea, would it work in practice?
Post by: losskutleboys on Sat, 10 December 2016, 11:50:15
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.
Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D
Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.
Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.
Do not compare GMK Retro, which had 2 options per kit, and you needed Base Alphas($65) + True Retro Kit($60) + Pro Retro Modifiers($35)+ Numpad Kit ($35) to cover a Redscarf96 or full-sized Winkeyless ($195) with GMK Nautilus, where you can cover those board with a Base kit that will most likely be under the $110 and the Explorer kit.
This is too early to ask i think, but optimistically, do you know how much will the base kit cost if it reach highest moq ?
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Sat, 10 December 2016, 12:02:59
Post by: pomk on Sat, 10 December 2016, 12:14:48
Thanks again for including UK ISO in the base set Zambumon, we really appreciate it :)The synergy in norde region is so high, that it would be cheaper to have a separate base set even if the ansi base would reach 1000+ sold. The synergy is similar to ansi + uk, in which only minimal amount of keys is required to support additional locales (swe/fi + de + no + dk).
There's a difference between some people having the wrong legends, and some people literally not having the keys to fit on their keyboard when they use a standard layout and have bought a base set.
I will definitely buy it if ISO is in the base set but don't think I'll be able to afford it if it's a separate kit.
Separate base sets for each standard is an interesting idea, would it work in practice?
edit: added a mock-up of what I mean by norde base set replacement, it's missing numpad and the colours are horrible, but you get the idea. It should be about the same price as the ansi+uk base set, and as MOQ is still going to be 150 I don't see the point of doing it any other way.
Post by: elfick on Sat, 10 December 2016, 12:15:30
How does everyone feel about icon mods?Love icon-only mods, meh on mixed mods. And I'm told that GMK doesn't have the molds for a full set of icon-only mods so, personally, I don't see any point.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 10 December 2016, 12:24:04
How does everyone feel about icon mods?Love icon-only mods, meh on mixed mods. And I'm told that GMK doesn't have the molds for a full set of icon-only mods so, personally, I don't see any point.
Full icon modifiers are standard for some European layouts, HAD keyboards feature them. Molds, are available.
Post by: elfick on Sat, 10 December 2016, 12:29:25
Sweet! Do you have any links? My google-fu is failing me.How does everyone feel about icon mods?Love icon-only mods, meh on mixed mods. And I'm told that GMK doesn't have the molds for a full set of icon-only mods so, personally, I don't see any point.
Full icon modifiers are standard for some European layouts, HAD keyboards feature them. Molds, are available.
I was bummed because I was told there were never any molds for alt and ctrl.
Post by: kiwi99 on Sat, 10 December 2016, 13:02:51
Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D
its actually far more exclusive, people buying these sets are keyboard enthusiasts, some if not most of them willing to pay for GMK will have multiple boards, with I dare say at least one with an non-standard layout, splitting into kits will make it end up meaning anyone who wants to populate anything other than a TKL or a 60% is going to be paying substantially more when everyone could pay a fraction more for a truly more inclusive layout.
Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.Yea, it is almost a perfect example except the dual options kit has always been an ever big mistake for reaching MOQ imo.
Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.
Most people don't buy the kits, by splitting it up it becomes cheaper for most people. If you want to buy a kit, then yes it's more expensive because fewer of them are being produced.
But since the main set is much cheaper, more people will buy the main set, which means there's a higher chance that anything gets produced at all. And I say that as a person who always wants the ISO-Nordic kit, but I'm not going to force everybody else to also buy the ISO-Nordic kit (by including the kit in the main set) so I can have it cheaper
if this is running through massdrop, they have the volume to facilitate running a larger kit... *cough* *cough* GMK Carbon ended at what? just around $1000? I'm not questioning the design of the set I ****ing love it and I bet tons of other people would too, I just think its going to be a mediocre drop compared to what it could end up being if it was done as a full inclusive kit.
Do not compare GMK Retro, which had 2 options per kit, and you needed Base Alphas($65) + True Retro Kit($60) + Pro Retro Modifiers($35)+ Numpad Kit ($35) to cover a Redscarf96 or full-sized Winkeyless ($195) with GMK Nautilus, where you can cover those board with a Base kit that will most likely be under the $110 and the Explorer kit.
I guess it comes down to what all the pricing ends up being Zambumon, look at the sets originative is running, Their 250 MOQ prices are usually just over $110 for proper sets that can fill almost any board out.
/end rant
edit 1 : Ｐｌｅａｓｅ ａｄｄ ｍｏｄｅｒｎ 1800 ｓｕｐｐｏｒｔ ｆｏｒ ｔｈｅ ｂｏｙｓ
Post by: alveeno on Sat, 10 December 2016, 14:38:28
Post by: Belgaer on Sun, 11 December 2016, 17:13:22
Great design, too bad its split up into horrible kits instead of one inclusive one.
Not everyone has infinite money. I very much appreciate it being split up into (really rather beautiful) kits rather than one big kit, the vast majority of the keys never used. It's far more inclusive to do it the way Zambumon has done it, then to price most people (me included) out of the keyset entirely. It's perfect just how it is Zambumon, I hope this keyset goes far :D
Doesnt splitting up into more kits raise the price for each kit since theres more moq.
Gmk retro on massdrop is a perfect example.
I'm not advocating splitting the base set into kits, I think that's a terrible idea. The way Zambumon has done it here with the base + some addon kits seems like a very good balance.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 11 December 2016, 17:23:52
Is there any possible way to get a kit for modifiers in the same color and legends as the alphas?
That's a big kit which would split the set in two which would cause issues that we've been able to experience with other sets such as GMK Retro.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 11 December 2016, 18:43:59
That being said, this set will be a "hit" no questions asked. :thumb:
Post by: Fisch on Mon, 12 December 2016, 15:17:05
Post by: e_l_tang on Tue, 13 December 2016, 12:14:20
Post by: PoisonKing on Tue, 13 December 2016, 19:38:37
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 14 December 2016, 18:08:55
Does the 6u spacebar have center stem? Finding 6u spacebar cap for infinity 60 is quite hard due to it centered stem
AFAIK GMK's 6u spacer bars should be compatible with the Infinity 60. For instance, 3Run will has one.
Post by: kmba on Sun, 18 December 2016, 16:53:13
Post by: diiiP on Wed, 04 January 2017, 03:35:18
So, what are the plans for 2017? :)
This is still my favorite GMK Set and I cant wait for it :D
Post by: m1kehonch0 on Wed, 04 January 2017, 13:40:53
Post by: afrokobe on Thu, 05 January 2017, 20:48:59
Post by: mathilda on Thu, 05 January 2017, 20:53:23
Post by: NiceDay4Goats on Thu, 05 January 2017, 22:15:08
Post by: XG3njiX on Thu, 05 January 2017, 23:27:35
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 06 January 2017, 05:19:06
Post by: gandroider on Fri, 06 January 2017, 09:32:27
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 06 January 2017, 09:33:59
Maybe I'm missing the information, will these support 1800 layout? Thanks
Quote
Explorer kit
This kit provides the keycaps needed to cover non-standard layouts such as 65%, Winkeyless, FC660M or Clueboard, Infinity 60% Hacker, 1800 layouts (such as the ZZ96 or the Duck Lightsaver), and the HHKB. Notable inclusions are the 6U and 7U space bars, the R4 1.75U and 2.25U Shift, or the R2 1.5U Delete. Do you need the keycaps' sizes? Here you go
Post by: kmba on Fri, 06 January 2017, 19:10:46
(http://i.imgur.com/CiEljxQ.jpg)
Post by: wodan on Tue, 10 January 2017, 03:09:36
(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
I put a lot of thought into the keycap selection, please check out this link for more background information:
https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-the-ultimate-norde-kit-for-gmk-t14443.html (https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-the-ultimate-norde-kit-for-gmk-t14443.html)
Would love to assist anywhere I can if there are questions!
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 10 January 2017, 03:13:07
Please consider offering this as a international essentials kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
I put a lot of thought into the keycap selection, please check out this link for more background information:
https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-the-ultimate-norde-kit-for-gmk-t14443.html (https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-the-ultimate-norde-kit-for-gmk-t14443.html)
Would love to assist anywhere I can if there are questions!
Please, do not post over and over again regarding an international kit as I've already addressed this question. There will be an international kit which will cover both Nordic and German layouts and it will be very similar to the keycaps I've offered for Chocolatier.
Post by: xv on Tue, 10 January 2017, 14:19:24
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 10 January 2017, 15:22:37
Post by: ehmlis on Tue, 10 January 2017, 17:00:49
I'm usually not interested in novelty sets at all, but for this one it would be really nice if it included an octopus or a squid.
I know you've already designed the novelties, but here's hoping for some cephalopods ;D
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 10 January 2017, 17:03:13
This set looks really, reeeaally good!
I'm usually not interested in novelty sets at all, but for this one it would be really nice if it included an octopus or a squid.
I know you've already designed the novelties, but here's hoping for some cephalopods ;D
Why an octopus or a squid when we can have a Nautilus!
Post by: ehmlis on Tue, 10 January 2017, 17:07:24
This set looks really, reeeaally good!
I'm usually not interested in novelty sets at all, but for this one it would be really nice if it included an octopus or a squid.
I know you've already designed the novelties, but here's hoping for some cephalopods ;D
Why an octopus or a squid when we can have a Nautilus!
Because there's something about the deep sea and tentacly things, like a giant squid, that goes very well together. And because I thought that the nautilus would automatically be included, you know, what with the sets name and all ;)
Post by: m1kehonch0 on Tue, 10 January 2017, 20:21:34
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Post by: kmba on Tue, 10 January 2017, 22:47:37
Post by: wodan on Wed, 11 January 2017, 02:03:38
Please, do not post over and over again regarding an international kit as I've already addressed this question. There will be an international kit which will cover both Nordic and German layouts and it will be very similar to the keycaps I've offered for Chocolatier.
Didn't mean to annoy you ... since you had very nice renders of all kits and a list of FAQs in the OP that were both not mentioning this in any way I thought it would be a good idea to ask.
Post by: DuckNorris on Wed, 18 January 2017, 11:20:33
Post by: Baddy126 on Thu, 19 January 2017, 13:31:01
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 19 January 2017, 14:52:57
Love the colorway! However, is there any consideration in making an SA version in the future?
The main problem with SA right now is that it's listed as booked through 10/2017. You're looking at 11/2017 if the buy goes live now.
Post by: kmba on Thu, 19 January 2017, 17:16:12
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 19 January 2017, 23:14:51
Plus SA profile kinda stinks :p GMK is right, gmk is tight.
GMK4lyfe
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 30 January 2017, 00:23:53
Plus SA profile kinda stinks :p GMK is right, gmk is tight.
GMK4lyfe
yes! saving my money for this set still :) and happy new (lunar) year everybody, may the wait ends soon-ish :p
Post by: FLOCKA on Mon, 30 January 2017, 08:21:02
Plus SA profile kinda stinks :p GMK is right, gmk is tight.
There's been whispers of Calm Depths returning this year, so I hope that it stays SA -- otherwise the alphas will be too similar
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 30 January 2017, 10:01:30
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 30 January 2017, 13:33:46
Plus SA profile kinda stinks :p GMK is right, gmk is tight.
There's been whispers of Calm Depths returning this year, so I hope that it stays SA -- otherwise the alphas will be too similar
Given the situation with SA caps right now, a buy might happen this year but you would not see the caps until 2018. SP is currently showing as booked through November on the PMK site. Thus keeping this one as GMK seems quite reasonable. There's always the idea of doing Calm Depths DSA in the future as well.
Post by: swangful on Mon, 30 January 2017, 14:01:27
Post by: Kafka on Wed, 01 February 2017, 10:33:20
Post by: elfick on Wed, 01 February 2017, 11:25:49
Maybe one day there'll be a GMK dvorak set/kit.I pressed the >Terminal_ team to make a Colevrak set. I thought they were the best chance given their focus on compatibility but it didn't happen. Given the poor turnout of the International kit, I can't say I blame them.
Post by: Baddy126 on Wed, 01 February 2017, 14:07:10
Post by: colbs on Wed, 01 February 2017, 14:11:03
Any news on this? GMK Plum knew it was gonna be run in Feb 2017 awhile ago. Is there a "relative" date when this will go as well?
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Nautilus-The-Tale-of-a-Explorer/talk
Zambumon indicated that the set will drop sometime in April or May, and also said novelties will be revealed soon :)
*EDIT: also on that massdrop page, Zambumon is saying the price for the base kit should be around $100, which if true is great! I definitely expected that it would be more in the 120-130 range.
Post by: Acerk on Wed, 01 February 2017, 14:17:30
Post by: kmba on Wed, 01 February 2017, 14:47:08
Post by: colbs on Wed, 01 February 2017, 15:00:41
$100 base + $30 compatibility kit (sometimes included in base kit for $130) has been done several times lately when there is little fluff in the price. Some sets sneak up to $150-160 with some fluff. Glad this will be on the low end.
Ahh, good point. I didn't notice before that this is a pretty "basic" base set (looking to put it on a standard TKL, so I didn't pay much attention to compatibility). Definitely looking forward to this set, especially with yellow spacebars and what I expect to be some very cool novelties.
Post by: chancellorr on Sat, 04 February 2017, 16:03:14
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 04 February 2017, 16:17:56
I'll be posting a huge update this week regarding this project. :thumb:
Post by: ehmlis on Sat, 04 February 2017, 16:32:11
Great news!
I'll be posting a huge update this week regarding this project. :thumb:
:eek:
Post by: FLOCKA on Sat, 04 February 2017, 18:49:36
Great news!
I'll be posting a huge update this week regarding this project. :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/fEzkKiE.gif)
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 06 February 2017, 09:28:34
Great news!
I'll be posting a huge update this week regarding this project. :thumb:
Would it happen to be the Novelties kit? :p :p :p
Post by: ricyuyc on Thu, 09 February 2017, 21:22:09
Post by: dubious on Wed, 15 February 2017, 13:06:34
Great news!
I'll be posting a huge update this week regarding this project. :thumb:
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/13EOgFTzFfiUM/giphy.gif)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 15 February 2017, 14:25:16
Great news!
I'll be posting a huge update this week regarding this project. :thumb:Show Image(https://media1.giphy.com/media/13EOgFTzFfiUM/giphy.gif)
This honestly made my day. Saving this now.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 17 February 2017, 13:06:16
Vote now on Massdrop! (http://bit.ly/NautilusPoll)
Exciting news! Nautilus GB is coming on Q2 2017 via Massdrop :D
(http://i.imgur.com/NIbRBPy.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/kFnbzM2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/7SrhPvz.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/xgyvF5y.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/O75E4KI.png)
PD: novelties will be revealed on February 23rd
Post by: xondat on Fri, 17 February 2017, 13:10:14
Nautilus GB is coming on Q2 2017**** yeah.
via MassdropDamn it.
I hope aftermarket isn't **** :))
Post by: finalarcadia on Fri, 17 February 2017, 13:32:26
Post by: VereChi on Fri, 17 February 2017, 13:39:00
Update Time
Vote now on Massdrop! (http://bit.ly/NautilusPoll)
Exciting news! Nautilus GB is coming on Q2 2017 via Massdrop :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/NIbRBPy.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kFnbzM2.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7SrhPvz.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xgyvF5y.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/O75E4KI.png)
PD: novelties will be revealed on February 23rd
Fu*k yeah!
Post by: gnmar2723 on Fri, 17 February 2017, 13:52:16
Love the huge base kit, definitely in on this. Those icon only backspace keys look a little weird though, since everything else is icon + text. edit: I guess there's not much that can be done since the word backspace wouldn't fit. The hhkb delete icon would fill the key more though. Or just "backspace" without icon.
Yeah the hhkb backspace is one that is hard to come to an agreement on. I think this is the better of the two icon backspaces, but since the rest of the modifiers have text I would have liked to see text only hhkb backspace for this kit.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 17 February 2017, 14:12:40
Nautilus GB is coming on Q2 2017**** yeah.via MassdropDamn it.
I hope aftermarket isn't **** :))
IDK, while I hear horror stories from time to time, I think it's still a safer bet than a random mechmarket user, plus increased price.
Post by: zslane on Fri, 17 February 2017, 14:20:21
Post by: ironpup on Fri, 17 February 2017, 14:23:16
Post by: xondat on Fri, 17 February 2017, 14:27:55
Nautilus GB is coming on Q2 2017**** yeah.via MassdropDamn it.
I hope aftermarket isn't **** :))
IDK, while I hear horror stories from time to time, I think it's still a safer bet than a random mechmarket user, plus increased price.
It's not the risk, it's who I'm supporting. Massdrop unfortunately made it onto that list of never to buy from.
Love the huge base kit, definitely in on this. Those icon only backspace keys look a little weird though, since everything else is icon + text. edit: I guess there's not much that can be done since the word backspace wouldn't fit. The hhkb delete icon would fill the key more though. Or just "backspace" without icon.
Yeah the hhkb backspace is one that is hard to come to an agreement on. I think this is the better of the two icon backspaces, but since the rest of the modifiers have text I would have liked to see text only hhkb backspace for this kit.
Solution:
(http://i.imgur.com/c7NJRa2.gif)
Post by: gaiden on Fri, 17 February 2017, 14:35:55
Post by: kiwi99 on Fri, 17 February 2017, 14:44:20
Post by: losskutleboys on Fri, 17 February 2017, 14:54:49
Post by: need on Fri, 17 February 2017, 16:17:47
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 17 February 2017, 18:01:53
There's no 1.75u "FN" key in this set, correct? I see 1u and 1.5u, but not 1.75u. (I typically set the Caps Lock key on my Pok3rs to be another FN key via DIP switches).
Correct, I've included a 1U, 1.25U and 1.5U (for the Minivan and other 40% layouts) FN keycaps but not a 1.75U.
OP can we have a Stepped Ctrl? ;)
I do not have any plans to add that keycap. Keep in mind that only a small group of enthusiasts
use CTRL instead of CAPS LOCK and even a smaller group of people use a stepped one.
Glad to see you listened to suggestions and made it a more inclusive base kit, if anything can hit 1000 units I think it'll be this.
That was the idea! Covering as many layouts as possible with the lowest amount of keycaps.
Well done on having blue short spacebars :)
I'm glad you noticed that.
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Fri, 17 February 2017, 22:11:41
I do not have any plans to add that keycap. Keep in mind that only a small group of enthusiasts
use CTRL instead of CAPS LOCK and even a smaller group of people use a stepped one.
It is such an amazingly useful swap and makes accessing CTRL so much easier for so many common things; close tab, cut, copy, paste. Not that necessary to have a dedicated CTRL key IMHO. Caps Lock is so underutilized that it might as well always be understood to be something else.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 17 February 2017, 22:21:33
I do not have any plans to add that keycap. Keep in mind that only a small group of enthusiasts
use CTRL instead of CAPS LOCK and even a smaller group of people use a stepped one.
The set is only missing the 1.75u R3 Control to offer full HHKB layout support. If the set already includes most of the caps to cover it, why are you giving them most, but not all of the keys they need? After all, it is the same small group of enthusiasts that need the Control key, along with the other keys that support the HHKB layout, that are already included.
Post by: priyadi on Fri, 17 February 2017, 23:28:59
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Sat, 18 February 2017, 00:00:12
I do not have any plans to add that keycap. Keep in mind that only a small group of enthusiasts
use CTRL instead of CAPS LOCK and even a smaller group of people use a stepped one.
The set is only missing the 1.75u R3 Control to offer full HHKB layout support. If the set already includes most of the caps to cover it, why are you giving them most, but not all of the keys they need? After all, it is the same small group of enthusiasts that need the Control key, along with the other keys that support the HHKB layout, that are already included.
There already is a 1.75u R3 Control (maybe added after your post?), if you're speaking to the stepped variety then that's something else.
Post by: mathilda on Sat, 18 February 2017, 04:57:59
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 18 February 2017, 06:17:43
I do not have any plans to add that keycap. Keep in mind that only a small group of enthusiasts
use CTRL instead of CAPS LOCK and even a smaller group of people use a stepped one.
The set is only missing the 1.75u R3 Control to offer full HHKB layout support. If the set already includes most of the caps to cover it, why are you giving them most, but not all of the keys they need? After all, it is the same small group of enthusiasts that need the Control key, along with the other keys that support the HHKB layout, that are already included.
No, the set isn't offering a 1.75U STEPPED R3 Control. The base kit does include a 1.75U R3 Control.
Post by: ricyuyc on Sat, 18 February 2017, 08:42:54
Post by: elfick on Sat, 18 February 2017, 09:17:03
could we have kit of dvorak add-on?I would also be interested in a Colevrak kit. Since this is running on Massdrop there's a good chance it will drop.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 18 February 2017, 09:18:00
could we have kit of dvorak add-on?
I don't think GMK really does dvorak/colemak add-ons. Adding extra kits to GMK buys has to be really carefully planned and I don't think those layouts would qualify. Might be wrong though.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 18 February 2017, 10:16:26
Update Time
Vote now on Massdrop! (http://bit.ly/NautilusPoll)
Exciting news! Nautilus GB is coming on Q2 2017 via Massdrop :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/NIbRBPy.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kFnbzM2.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7SrhPvz.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xgyvF5y.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/O75E4KI.png)
PD: novelties will be revealed on February 23rd
love it! Base + Community + Spacebar + Novelties here I come! :)) :)) :))
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 18 February 2017, 11:45:13
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Sat, 18 February 2017, 15:48:32
I do not have any plans to add that keycap. Keep in mind that only a small group of enthusiasts
use CTRL instead of CAPS LOCK and even a smaller group of people use a stepped one.
The set is only missing the 1.75u R3 Control to offer full HHKB layout support. If the set already includes most of the caps to cover it, why are you giving them most, but not all of the keys they need? After all, it is the same small group of enthusiasts that need the Control key, along with the other keys that support the HHKB layout, that are already included.
No, the set isn't offering a 1.75U STEPPED R3 Control. The base kit does include a 1.75U R3 Control.
Ah, whoops! I didn't scrutinize the set closely enough. It sounded like there wasn't going to be a 1.75u CTRL at all, rather than just omitting a stepped version.
Post by: hoq on Sat, 18 February 2017, 20:56:11
With such less keys, can 25 keys meet the need of those European keyboards?
I don't quit familiar with European keyboards, If 25 keys are enough to serve, that would lower the cost, and make this kit more easyer to happen. :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/7SrhPvz.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ju72SsU.png)
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sun, 19 February 2017, 17:18:11
I saw the Norde kit has noly 25 keys, but I compared this with Yuri 's Norde kit, it has 46 keys.
With such less keys, can 25 keys meet the need of those European keyboards?
I don't quit familiar with European keyboards, If 25 keys are enough to serve, that would lower the cost, and make this kit more easyer to happen. :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7SrhPvz.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ju72SsU.png)
I think the focus with the Nautilus International kit is to keep costs down while giving as much compatibility as possible.
Post by: tusing on Sun, 19 February 2017, 22:52:15
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 19 February 2017, 23:05:47
Any chance for a pair of R3 accent keys on the Planck kit?
That accent R3s never appear in any GMK dox/planck kit :/
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 20 February 2017, 03:43:33
I saw the Norde kit has noly 25 keys, but I compared this with Yuri 's Norde kit, it has 46 keys.
With such less keys, can 25 keys meet the need of those European keyboards?
I don't quit familiar with European keyboards, If 25 keys are enough to serve, that would lower the cost, and make this kit more easyer to happen. :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7SrhPvz.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ju72SsU.png)
Some of those 25 keys are already in the base set
Post by: elfick on Mon, 20 February 2017, 09:48:44
I know it's probably never gonna happen, but I'd love to see an R3 accent key for the ergodox (1.5u). If the R1 ergodox row was replicated for R3, that would be amazing.Any chance for a pair of R3 accent keys on the Planck kit?
That accent R3s never appear in any GMK dox/planck kit :/
Post by: Applet on Mon, 20 February 2017, 12:41:32
I guess combining them would make it cheaper for us who would need both.
Post by: poolside on Mon, 20 February 2017, 15:01:34
I saw the Norde kit has noly 25 keys, but I compared this with Yuri 's Norde kit, it has 46 keys.
With such less keys, can 25 keys meet the need of those European keyboards?
I don't quit familiar with European keyboards, If 25 keys are enough to serve, that would lower the cost, and make this kit more easyer to happen. :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7SrhPvz.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ju72SsU.png)
Some of those 25 keys are already in the base set
Which ones? I don't see any duplicates within the same row.
Post by: Belgaer on Mon, 20 February 2017, 20:40:57
I saw the Norde kit has noly 25 keys, but I compared this with Yuri 's Norde kit, it has 46 keys.
With such less keys, can 25 keys meet the need of those European keyboards?
I don't quit familiar with European keyboards, If 25 keys are enough to serve, that would lower the cost, and make this kit more easyer to happen. :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7SrhPvz.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ju72SsU.png)
Some of those 25 keys are already in the base set
Which ones? I don't see any duplicates within the same row.
I think they meant 46 keys. There are certainly many of Yuri's Norde keys in the Base kit which has the ISO UK standard keys in it by default.
Post by: longtran1568 on Tue, 21 February 2017, 01:20:33
Many people here request a stepped R3 Control key but I think that would be unnecessary. I have been using Caps lock as Fn, Ctrl for ages and I don't mind the legend. After all, keycaps are for typing first and look at later.
Post by: potatobot on Tue, 21 February 2017, 05:37:17
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Post by: SpareWalrus on Fri, 24 February 2017, 20:27:36
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Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 26 February 2017, 14:08:52
Post by: ns90 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 14:37:28
Post by: finalarcadia on Sun, 26 February 2017, 15:53:52
I'm torn between the fact that I've already purchased too many keyboards, and the fact that I want this. Decisions, decisions.
Easy, the more keyboards the more keysets you need.
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Sun, 26 February 2017, 17:19:11
I'm torn between the fact that I've already purchased too many keyboards, and the fact that I want this. Decisions, decisions.
Easy, the more keyboards the more keysets you need.
And vice versa, it's never ending...... =]
Post by: ns90 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 21:02:56
My problem is too much, too quickly! The amount I've spent this month alone....I'm torn between the fact that I've already purchased too many keyboards, and the fact that I want this. Decisions, decisions.
Easy, the more keyboards the more keysets you need.
And vice versa, it's never ending...... =]
Post by: owacle on Sun, 26 February 2017, 22:30:35
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Post by: killyou on Mon, 27 February 2017, 16:09:40
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Mon, 27 February 2017, 19:14:12
My problem is too much, too quickly! The amount I've spent this month alone....I'm torn between the fact that I've already purchased too many keyboards, and the fact that I want this. Decisions, decisions.
Easy, the more keyboards the more keysets you need.
And vice versa, it's never ending...... =]
Yes this is a common problem. My solution to this is never looking at my bank account, or only looking after I have been paid.
Maybe not the best solution....=S
Post by: ideus on Mon, 27 February 2017, 20:44:48
Can we please get a center stemmed 6u Spacebar instead of the lopsided one? This would ensure that the kit works with MX converted topre boards.... would be huge!
It is very unlikely that such a mold exists. GMK 6u space bars have off centered stems, only. Just check the DT Wiki.
Post by: kmba on Tue, 28 February 2017, 06:02:03
I don't think aqua letters font matches gold font. I think if the letter font be the same as the gold font it would look better. Although I'd like to order one when I'll get my pok3r. Best color scheme ever.
No way.. cyan legends on blue make the set! It's water themed after all. :)
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 06 March 2017, 12:29:01
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 15 March 2017, 11:55:09
Post by: Komatoz on Thu, 16 March 2017, 02:01:40
Post by: testplsignore on Sat, 18 March 2017, 06:59:51
Would love to see this in DSA one day, big fan of centered legends :p
Post by: sethbc on Sat, 18 March 2017, 14:51:47
Post by: zslane on Sat, 18 March 2017, 15:09:00
Post by: afrokobe on Sat, 18 March 2017, 19:34:53
It does. Unfortunately, due to thickness GMK keycaps interfere with NovaTouch switch housings for keys with stabilizers. :(what? I had gmk hyperfuse on my novatouch I had no issues.
Post by: zslane on Sat, 18 March 2017, 21:00:15
GMK stabilized keys will clack on the slider housing (shift, enter, backspace), but they still work.
When a keycap hits a Topre switch housing and makes noise, I call that "interfering with" the switch housing. A keycap should never make contact because that reduces key travel and ruins the natural sound of Topre switches.
Post by: theillumedpanda on Mon, 20 March 2017, 09:33:15
Do you by any chance have any 96 keys keyboard renders?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 20 March 2017, 19:01:22
Post by: poolside on Mon, 20 March 2017, 19:39:28
have the colors been indicated anywhere? i dont see them on the full set render, which is where they typically are.
Near the bottom of the OP:
- Alphas are Pantone 534 C
- Alphas legends are TU2
- Modifiers are Pantone 533 C
- Modifiers legends are GMK N6
- Alternate modifiers are GMK N6
- Alternate modifiers legends are Pantone 533 C
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5cslgvX.jpg)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 20 March 2017, 19:42:02
have the colors been indicated anywhere? i dont see them on the full set render, which is where they typically are.
Near the bottom of the OP:
- Alphas are Pantone 534 C
- Alphas legends are TU2
- Modifiers are Pantone 533 C
- Modifiers legends are GMK N6
- Alternate modifiers are GMK N6
- Alternate modifiers legends are Pantone 533 C
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5cslgvX.jpg)
thanks! i suspected the mods were a custom color...
Post by: Theconejo on Thu, 23 March 2017, 23:26:38
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 24 March 2017, 01:39:13
Post by: pattulus on Fri, 24 March 2017, 11:51:34
Post by: elfick on Fri, 24 March 2017, 12:11:28
Sigh. Love your sets (and Wes A. movies)… but Colemak and my undying love for the Ergodox come in the way of a purchase again.Speak up on https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Nautilus-The-Tale-of-a-Explorer/talk/1604475 .... what I had to say:
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Check the international kit numbers in those links and they're almost all less than the Colevrak set.
Pulse alone sold 3 more international kits than Colevrak.
And I'll add another data point, Godspeed, which sold 56 Colevrak and 48 Norde.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set
Given those numbers, Norde is even less likely to drop than Colevrak.
So here's my suggestion:
Combine Colevrak and Norde and call it Alt-input.
While you're at it, you should pull the UK keys out of the base kit and put them in Alt-Input.
That would give Norde the best change to tip AND give the Colevrak users the love they deserve.
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Basically, the only acceptable reason not to offer Colevrak would be that GMK just doesn't make those keys.
Any explanation using MOQ or sale numbers when an international kit is being offered that is likely to sell less than Colevrak would is just BS.
And I've offered a solution that would most likely get both International AND Colevrak users the keys they want.
Post by: pattulus on Fri, 24 March 2017, 12:26:29
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Commenting to get notificationsI'm pretty sure you can just use the "Watch" button at the top of the page.
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Commenting to get notificationsI'm pretty sure you can just use the "Watch" button at the top of the page.
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Post by: joelfong on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:08:07
Post by: Niomosy on Sun, 09 April 2017, 00:37:23
Why are they so many nice keysets coming out so often.. My wallet can't take it.. D:
With GMK expanding their stock color options, it's opened up some new possibilities for GMK sets. Then you've got additional makers coming up with MaxKeys, the XDA profile caps, and Devlin. Looks like we're going to find ourselves in a more steady stream of caps coming along now, potentially. Given the quantity of buyers seems to be increasing, probably not a huge surprise.
Post by: joelfong on Sun, 09 April 2017, 09:44:44
Why are they so many nice keysets coming out so often.. My wallet can't take it.. D:
With GMK expanding their stock color options, it's opened up some new possibilities for GMK sets. Then you've got additional makers coming up with MaxKeys, the XDA profile caps, and Devlin. Looks like we're going to find ourselves in a more steady stream of caps coming along now, potentially. Given the quantity of buyers seems to be increasing, probably not a huge surprise.
Ah. That explains why I've been seeing more interesting GMK designs recently. I just got my first proper keyboard, a novatouch, so I've been researching on custom keysets a bit. It's really nice to see people in the community step up and design amazing keysets. I was initially a bit sad that I missed out on some of the previous custom keysets and their high resale price isn't helping. But it really does look like there's hope for a more steady stream of great caps and I'm quite excited to see where this will lead to.
Post by: maximm on Sun, 09 April 2017, 15:22:52
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 09 April 2017, 15:38:01
what happened with the international set?A NorDe kit was added to the Massdrop poll (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Nautilus-The-Tale-of-a-Explorer/result) as option and received, as of now, 243 votes. It's likely to be offered and, hopefully, produced.
Post by: pattulus on Mon, 10 April 2017, 00:37:51
Post by: hansichen on Tue, 11 April 2017, 00:21:27
Why are they so many nice keysets coming out so often.. My wallet can't take it.. D:
With GMK expanding their stock color options, it's opened up some new possibilities for GMK sets. Then you've got additional makers coming up with MaxKeys, the XDA profile caps, and Devlin. Looks like we're going to find ourselves in a more steady stream of caps coming along now, potentially. Given the quantity of buyers seems to be increasing, probably not a huge surprise.
Gmk is really pushing the market with lower moq and more colors at the moment. But maxkey has very limited layout design due to missing molds, it will take a very long time until we can see real group buys like this one from them. And Devlin ****ed up everything they could, apart from planck sets I wouldn't expect too much from them within the forseeable future.
And hopefully XDA will remain an affordable set as jchan offered it, 15$ for a planck set would be awesome. I'm really excited to see the delivery of the first buy this month so that we know about their quality.
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 11 April 2017, 01:00:22
Why are they so many nice keysets coming out so often.. My wallet can't take it.. D:
With GMK expanding their stock color options, it's opened up some new possibilities for GMK sets. Then you've got additional makers coming up with MaxKeys, the XDA profile caps, and Devlin. Looks like we're going to find ourselves in a more steady stream of caps coming along now, potentially. Given the quantity of buyers seems to be increasing, probably not a huge surprise.
Gmk is really pushing the market with lower moq and more colors at the moment. But maxkey has very limited layout design due to missing molds, it will take a very long time until we can see real group buys like this one from them. And Devlin ****ed up everything they could, apart from planck sets I wouldn't expect too much from them within the forseeable future.
And hopefully XDA will remain an affordable set as jchan offered it, 15$ for a planck set would be awesome. I'm really excited to see the delivery of the first buy this month so that we know about their quality.
Yup, GMK realized they can still make pretty good money off the enthusiast market that wants to continually throw money at them for more and more product. With more colors, they get more potential business. Same story with lower MoQs. Smart on their part.
MaxKeys can handle quite a lot right now. What are they missing? Things like ErgoDox and orthlinear keyboards? Honestly, if they can handle a typical ANSI or ISO board, they've got the vast majority of buyers covered. It worked for GMK and even SP for years. Those missing pieces are niche market boards.
As for Devlin, they're still a possibility if they can get some issues addressed. Remember, SP SA wasn't the panacea of compatibility at one point either.
I'm still waiting to see how things go with XDA. I like the idea but want to see how that goes and jump in on a colorway I like rather than just buy whatever XDA set just to try them out.
Post by: rmendis on Tue, 11 April 2017, 08:40:55
Post by: Biggestmac on Sat, 22 April 2017, 00:15:06
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 23 April 2017, 13:10:47
Any more updates on this set and the novelties? I'm really looking forward to it!Novelties are still TBA. Idk if it will drop before DSA Miami Dolch or not.
Post by: Hare on Mon, 24 April 2017, 22:32:25
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Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 24 April 2017, 23:09:42
Novelties are still TBA. Idk if it will drop before DSA Miami Dolch or not.
Extremely unlikely (impossible I'd imagine but rather not deal in absolutes), this was always meant to drop after Yuri far as I know and Miami Dolch is happening before that according to T0mb3ry so I'd say this is looking at a June ish release at the earliest.
Post by: ipreferpie on Mon, 24 April 2017, 23:30:50
Still, poll me for Colevorak ^__^In for Colevrak
Post by: renzpwns on Tue, 25 April 2017, 02:56:57
Post by: Belgaer on Wed, 26 April 2017, 11:30:24
Dang, at this point Yuri will come out sooner than this set. No worries for me tho since I'll still be picking up both of them!
Yuri was always going to come out before this set. At least that's the order that Massdrop sorted.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sat, 06 May 2017, 22:47:08
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Post by: maximm on Sun, 07 May 2017, 12:55:00
Post by: loar on Mon, 08 May 2017, 05:59:39
The github project site and this thread has different kit setups - which ones are correct?yeah, there's no mention of 40% support in this post and it has me a bit worried :/
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Post by: colbs on Mon, 08 May 2017, 07:02:18
The github project site and this thread has different kit setups - which ones are correct?
tldr: the project site is the correct one
Zambumon updated the set a few months ago saying a new update results in the base set supporting more 40% builds (he specifically mentions jd40, jd45, and minivan on reddit thread, but I am not familiar enough with those layouts to confirm all the keys are there. I suggest you take a look at the base set to verify). And the ergodox+planck kit obviously supports the planck. He posted an update message in this thread, but the original post was not changed in this thread.
see the following:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85336.msg2365553#msg2365553
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85336.msg2365323#msg2365323
Post by: cayderayd on Mon, 08 May 2017, 23:00:11
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 09 May 2017, 00:12:18
I feel like the novelties are a bit of a missed opportunity. I love the whole aquatic theme of my DSA Royal Navy caps, but this goes a different direction. These aren't bad, and I do like the community theme, but there easily could have been some great whales or something. Still, can't wait for the drop.
Those aren't the novelties, he hasn't released the designs yet.
Post by: Simia_4 on Fri, 12 May 2017, 11:04:27
Post by: elfick on Fri, 12 May 2017, 11:09:30
Between this, Yuri and S2 Carbons... man my wife is gonna kill me!Same but I'm also tracking Laser, Aero, and Hitchhiker
Post by: Simia_4 on Fri, 12 May 2017, 11:13:15
Between this, Yuri and S2 Carbons... man my wife is gonna kill me!Same but I'm also tracking Laser, Aero, and Hitchhiker
Ah crap...there's three more to watch haha
Post by: theillumedpanda on Sat, 13 May 2017, 03:01:20
Post by: ideus on Sat, 13 May 2017, 06:23:51
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 13 May 2017, 06:28:46
All the keys required to populate a HHKB style layout are in the Explorer key, but the R3 1.75U Control key. Shouldn't the Control key be moved to the Explorer kit?
Nah, I'd prefer to use it in place of Caps Lock since I use that key as a function layer.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 13 May 2017, 06:35:27
All the keys required to populate a HHKB style layout are in the Explorer key, but the R3 1.75U Control key. Shouldn't the Control key be moved to the Explorer kit?
Nah, I'd prefer to use it in place of Caps Lock since I use that key as a function layer.
Does that mean that you just use the Control key Unix Style, but not the other HHKB's keys?
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 13 May 2017, 06:44:03
All the keys required to populate a HHKB style layout are in the Explorer key, but the R3 1.75U Control key. Shouldn't the Control key be moved to the Explorer kit?
Nah, I'd prefer to use it in place of Caps Lock since I use that key as a function layer.
Does that mean that you just use the Control key Unix Style, but not the other HHKB's keys?
I just swap Caps Lock for Control if available (ideally for Function), Caps Lock in 2017 lel
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 13 May 2017, 07:08:40
Post by: kevinzavier on Sat, 13 May 2017, 14:23:08
Post by: joelfong on Sat, 13 May 2017, 19:22:13
Updated OP
Hey, will there be a yellow R3 1u for the Ergo/Planck kit? Seems a little odd that yellow 1u in R1, R2 and R4 are included but not R3.
Post by: Parva Ovis on Sat, 13 May 2017, 21:54:11
Post by: yohanskee on Sat, 13 May 2017, 22:17:03
Post by: kmba on Sat, 13 May 2017, 22:52:01
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:27:13
Now that GMK is willing to make 1u and 2u convex spacebars, will the Ergodox/Planck kit be changed to reflect that?
I'll have to talk with GMK about it, if the molds are ready by the time Nautilus is produced, sure.
Updated OP
Hey, will there be a yellow R3 1u for the Ergo/Planck kit? Seems a little odd that yellow 1u in R1, R2 and R4 are included but not R3.
Some small changes will be made to both the base kit and the Planck & Ergodox, including the addition of R3 1U yellow keycaps (which where a part of the original Planck kit) and adding a better 75% compatibility.
Hey zambumon, you think they will be novelties, if so good **** my man
I've a dozen of drafts but due to College and other projects I haven't been able to create vectors for them properly. I'll try to add them before the GB launches, but no promises.
Thanks for the overwhelming support you guys have shown so far.
If you haven't done it yet, and want to get notified once the Nautilus goes live, please vote here and get notified! (http://bit.ly/NautilusPoll)
Post by: elfick on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:36:23
If the Yuri Colevrak kit is successful, will you consider adding one to Nautilus?
Post by: ipreferpie on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:39:21
Zambumon,
If the Yuri Colevrak kit is successful, will you consider adding one to Nautilus?
Seconding this too! Will buy it if the Colemak kit is available
Post by: elfick on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:49:06
I added a poll option for Colevrak support to the massdrop poll so get out there and vote!
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Nautilus-The-Tale-of-a-Explorer?mode=guest_open
Post by: Owl- on Tue, 16 May 2017, 11:08:49
If you can, another 2u cap in the spacebar kit too.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 16 May 2017, 11:12:06
COLEMAK and DVORAK USERS UNITE! ;D
I added a poll option for Colevrak support to the massdrop poll so get out there and vote!
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Nautilus-The-Tale-of-a-Explorer?mode=guest_open
so, you took the C/D render from Yuri, which to my knowledge is the first custom GMK set to ever offer these keys, and put it on the massdrop vote for Nautilus... did you run that by the designer (Zambumon)?
bold strategy, cotton
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 16 May 2017, 11:21:26
COLEMAK and DVORAK USERS UNITE! ;D
I added a poll option for Colevrak support to the massdrop poll so get out there and vote!
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Nautilus-The-Tale-of-a-Explorer?mode=guest_open
so, you took the C/D render from Yuri, which to my knowledge is the first custom GMK set to ever offer these keys, and put it on the massdrop vote for Nautilus... did you run that by the designer (Zambumon)?
bold strategy, cotton
If Colemak & Dvorak kit hits MOQ, Nautilus will get one for sure, you have my word. :thumb:
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 16 May 2017, 11:27:23
COLEMAK and DVORAK USERS UNITE! ;D
I added a poll option for Colevrak support to the massdrop poll so get out there and vote!
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Nautilus-The-Tale-of-a-Explorer?mode=guest_open
so, you took the C/D render from Yuri, which to my knowledge is the first custom GMK set to ever offer these keys, and put it on the massdrop vote for Nautilus... did you run that by the designer (Zambumon)?
bold strategy, cotton
If Colemak & Dvorak kit hits MOQ, Nautilus will get one for sure, you have my word. :thumb:
wow! this is shaping up to be a landmark year for custom keysets
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 16 May 2017, 11:43:18
wow! this is shaping up to be a landmark year for custom keysets
When companies engage with the community like GMK is doing at the moment, good stuff happens!
Post by: elfick on Tue, 16 May 2017, 11:56:03
If Colemak & Dvorak kit hits MOQ, Nautilus will get one for sure, you have my word. :thumb:
That's awesome, thanks! :thumb:
Post by: dblack on Wed, 17 May 2017, 04:44:11
Post by: neralo on Wed, 17 May 2017, 05:07:24
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 17 May 2017, 08:04:33
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 17 May 2017, 12:15:40
Can you nudge them to offer convex space bars in a few more sizes?Now that GMK is willing to make 1u and 2u convex spacebars, will the Ergodox/Planck kit be changed to reflect that?
I'll have to talk with GMK about it, if the molds are ready by the time Nautilus is produced, sure.
Post by: NotVy on Wed, 17 May 2017, 12:22:01
Post by: kevinzavier on Wed, 17 May 2017, 12:32:02
Post by: mr scooty on Wed, 17 May 2017, 12:36:04
How does pricing work? It's so weird that on originative.co, gmk sets go for $180. Yet gmk yuri base set, (which has a bunch of keys), goes for $130. Since this is gonna be on massdrop, will gmk nautilus be $130? Thanks.
The $180 prices on originative.co are post-group buy sets. I think they still have Miami/Miami nights on there for $135, which is more typical gb price for GMK sets
Post by: kmba on Wed, 17 May 2017, 12:49:19
How does pricing work? It's so weird that on originative.co, gmk sets go for $180. Yet gmk yuri base set, (which has a bunch of keys), goes for $130. Since this is gonna be on massdrop, will gmk nautilus be $130? Thanks.
"Retail" versus group buy price.
Post by: MMjacksN on Sat, 20 May 2017, 09:38:41
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 22 May 2017, 06:11:36
How does pricing work? It's so weird that on originative.co, gmk sets go for $180. Yet gmk yuri base set, (which has a bunch of keys), goes for $130. Since this is gonna be on massdrop, will gmk nautilus be $130? Thanks.
Oco group buy prices are also in the $130 range. The higher price on their site includes retail markup
Post by: avid on Tue, 23 May 2017, 04:59:59
Any chance of a blue ISO enter key being included?
Second this. Id happily pay for a ISO enter in blue. The yellow is a bit loud for me.
Post by: pattulus on Wed, 24 May 2017, 10:09:15
This would be great, the keycaps of my favorite movie along with my favored layout. Though, at the moment it doesn't look like the magic 100 for the MOQ will be reached. I'd be surprised if Yuri's DC kit reaches 90 orders (in which case hopefully Massdrop will buy the 10 remaining).COLEMAK and DVORAK USERS UNITE! ;D
I added a poll option for Colevrak support to the massdrop poll so get out there and vote!
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Nautilus-The-Tale-of-a-Explorer?mode=guest_open
so, you took the C/D render from Yuri, which to my knowledge is the first custom GMK set to ever offer these keys, and put it on the massdrop vote for Nautilus... did you run that by the designer (Zambumon)?
bold strategy, cotton
If Colemak & Dvorak kit hits MOQ, Nautilus will get one for sure, you have my word. :thumb:
I will add another DC Kit to my existing order to show my support, that's what I can afford at the moment. I wish I had a money printer to just make it happen.
Post by: kevinzavier on Thu, 25 May 2017, 12:34:53
Post by: elfick on Thu, 25 May 2017, 13:14:23
Not sure if its too late, but I think it would be really helpful if this group buy lasted until the end of June. Looking at the survey results, a lot of people into mk are around 20 years old, myself included. So I, and I am sure many others, have summer jobs/internships that they are waiting to start for mk money :). And with the recent drop of Yuri, plus Carbon coming out next week (even though I haven't bought Yuri), I think it would be nice to have a bit of space. Just my opinion.With Carbon running (effectively) the beginning of June, this may not start until the end of June. Since 2 weeks seems to be the average length of these popular drops, the earliest it would start would be mid June, so going through to the end of June is almost guaranteed.
On another topic, have the novelties ever been released? I know the project site says February 23rd or something like that. Did I miss them?
Post by: Simia_4 on Thu, 25 May 2017, 13:22:18
Not sure if its too late, but I think it would be really helpful if this group buy lasted until the end of June. Looking at the survey results, a lot of people into mk are around 20 years old, myself included. So I, and I am sure many others, have summer jobs/internships that they are waiting to start for mk money :). And with the recent drop of Yuri, plus Carbon coming out next week (even though I haven't bought Yuri), I think it would be nice to have a bit of space. Just my opinion.
I'm with ya!
Post by: jihadu on Thu, 25 May 2017, 15:47:05
Novelties are still TBD. Zambumon is still quiet about them.Not sure if its too late, but I think it would be really helpful if this group buy lasted until the end of June. Looking at the survey results, a lot of people into mk are around 20 years old, myself included. So I, and I am sure many others, have summer jobs/internships that they are waiting to start for mk money :). And with the recent drop of Yuri, plus Carbon coming out next week (even though I haven't bought Yuri), I think it would be nice to have a bit of space. Just my opinion.With Carbon running (effectively) the beginning of June, this may not start until the end of June. Since 2 weeks seems to be the average length of these popular drops, the earliest it would start would be mid June, so going through to the end of June is almost guaranteed.
On another topic, have the novelties ever been released? I know the project site says February 23rd or something like that. Did I miss them?
SoonTM
Post by: Darknight00z on Sat, 27 May 2017, 19:24:41
Post by: ykilroy on Sat, 27 May 2017, 21:07:17
Post by: sachin3767 on Sat, 27 May 2017, 21:16:17
Any chance of an icon modifier child kit. I think that would look phenomenal with the Yuri alphas!
I second this. Just mods in yellow font and that yellow ISO enter would be awesome.
Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 29 May 2017, 00:57:50
Any chance of an icon modifier child kit. I think that would look phenomenal with the Yuri alphas!
I second this. Just mods in yellow font and that yellow ISO enter would be awesome.
Cheers, I've also added the icon modifier option to vote on Massdrop if you want to help out as well. https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Nautilus-The-Tale-of-a-Explorer?mode=guest_open&clickid=WaKVf1Qkix0RRcfWt4RyqRvUUkhT2yR1GVNX1I0&utm_term=252901&utm_content=Skimbit%20Ltd.&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=impactradius&irgwc=1
Post by: maximm on Mon, 29 May 2017, 02:21:51
Post by: Auk on Mon, 29 May 2017, 03:10:10
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 29 May 2017, 15:10:52
Blue ISO enter key omitted entirely is unfortunate. Didn't notice that before, but it would be nice to squeeze it in somewhere. Too late for it to go in the base kit?
There are a few people asking for it so I hope it can go in there somewhere :)
Post by: avid on Mon, 29 May 2017, 16:26:57
Post by: kevinzavier on Tue, 30 May 2017, 02:36:49
Post by: rioc on Tue, 30 May 2017, 02:56:29
what is the point of iso if i may ask, why does return need to be that big??? or is it just for the extra key on the left shift?
both... the extra key is a nice bonus... I also like a split right shift, cause I don't see the point in having shift keys that long.
going from that mentality, the ISO, nor the ANSI Enter make sense, but the ISO enter is so satisfying to smash after entering a line! It's like a perfect commit button, as in "take this!" ;) (the shape of ISO enter does make it easier to hit when inputting text or code angrily)
Post by: pomk on Tue, 30 May 2017, 03:58:31
what is the point of iso if i may ask, why does return need to be that big??? or is it just for the extra key on the left shift?What is the point of ansi, if I may ask? ISO is at least an international standard. ;)
Post by: rioc on Tue, 30 May 2017, 03:59:42
what is the point of iso if i may ask, why does return need to be that big??? or is it just for the extra key on the left shift?What is the point of ansi, if I may ask? ISO is at least an international standard. ;)
SHOTS FIRED
(https://m.popkey.co/7efc68/Eprg8.gif)
Post by: My_Thoughts on Tue, 30 May 2017, 13:23:36
Post by: elfick on Tue, 30 May 2017, 14:33:13
Post by: ideus on Tue, 30 May 2017, 14:46:51
Blue ISO enter key omitted entirely is unfortunate. Didn't notice that before, but it would be nice to squeeze it in somewhere. Too late for it to go in the base kit?
If this particular buy does not include an ISO key in base color why you have to fight for it? You should join any other of the GMK sets that includes it, instead. You are just revisiting and old and point-less discussion on ANSI vs ISO enters. I use both; but, I prefer ISO; again, I do not have to convince the community on my preferences, as long as most GMK sets include both, so I can use whatever I want.
Post by: AndyPock on Thu, 01 June 2017, 03:18:02
Is that a go-ahead for Nautilus Colevrak!?!?
Post by: ..//dexx on Thu, 01 June 2017, 03:59:40
So GMK Yuri's Colevrak kit didn't hit MoQ, but people are saying that they have been invoiced for it meaning that GMK are going ahead with its production.
Is that a go-ahead for Nautilus Colevrak!?!?
Best results, they managed to talk GMK into lowering the the MoQ.
Don't get your hopes up too much. Massdrop could just very well refund them the difference.
Post by: AndyPock on Thu, 01 June 2017, 04:17:24
So GMK Yuri's Colevrak kit didn't hit MoQ, but people are saying that they have been invoiced for it meaning that GMK are going ahead with its production.
Is that a go-ahead for Nautilus Colevrak!?!?
Best results, they managed to talk GMK into lowering the the MoQ.
Don't get your hopes up too much. Massdrop could just very well refund them the difference.
Well hopefully they do make it. I hate being one of those people but it's a make or break issue for me. Not that I'm demanding it be included either. Those people **** me. I'm just gonna sit here quietly with bated breath.
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 01 June 2017, 08:30:04
Post by: rioc on Thu, 01 June 2017, 08:32:12
From what I remembered with the GMK carbon international kit, Massdrop just outright bought up the number of kits short of MOQ to get them produced, then they listed those extras they bought later on at one of those large stock clearance sale (not at clearance prices, mind you)
yep... moq was 100, only 75 sold, MD bought the rest
Post by: joelfong on Fri, 02 June 2017, 11:33:51
Nothing against Yuri itself but its colorway is a bit more niche in some sense compared to Nautilus and its DC kit still hit 46, which shows pretty decent support. Nautilus' colors should have wider general appeal and that is likely to boost the number of people buying in too.
I personally want a GMK set with DC compatibility but did not like Yuri that much so I did not support it. So I am hoping for Nautilus to include a DC kit. I will still support Nautilus regardless of whether it has one or not, but I definitely think it's worth adding it in.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 02 June 2017, 17:15:23
Nothing against Yuri itself but its colorway is a bit more niche in some sense compared to Nautilus and its DC kit still hit 46, which shows pretty decent support. Nautilus' colors should have wider general appeal and that is likely to boost the number of people buying in too.
I mean, I have no counter argument really but everything you just said there is complete and utterly subjective. Unless you have accurate studies proving that a yellow/deep blue theme has wider general appeal than a pale blue/orange one then why would you ever bring something like this up? It may well be the case, we'll never know until it pops up and there are still a myriad of external factors/dampeners that might affect the outcome (the fact Yuri was out 1 day after Miami Dolch and at the exact same time as K-Type, etc).
Post by: kmba on Sat, 03 June 2017, 07:38:52
Post by: elfick on Sat, 03 June 2017, 08:48:14
Yuri sold over 750 base sets which is a crap ton for a custom keycap set. And yet still only 46 DC kits. That's the proper way to think about it.. 5-6% rate for DC, and that's not going to change based on the colorway. With moq on smaller kits usually set at 150, it's a pipe dream.I wouldn't say it's a pipe dream, but it it probably does require a different set layout. One in which all the non-standard users help each other. If international, DC, and other alternate layouts were put into one kit we may get enough buyers for it to tip. It would be expensive, but at least we could get the keys we want.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 03 June 2017, 09:07:13
I wouldn't say it's a pipe dream, but it it probably does require a different set layout. One in which all the non-standard users help each other. If international, DC, and other alternate layouts were put into one kit we may get enough buyers for it to tip. It would be expensive, but at least we could get the keys we want.
International users were already *****ing about how they have to buy a kit of 3-4 times more keys than what they need for their own language. Do you think they would have a change of heart now and help out DC & exotic layouts in 1 kit too? Humour me please!
Post by: elfick on Sat, 03 June 2017, 09:42:34
You're absolutely right, people are going to complain. You can't stop that. But this idea is the very basis of the group buy. "I can't make this happen alone, so let's make it happen as a group." It really doesn't matter how many people complain, it just matters how many pony up the money to make it happen. Massdrop numbers show that there are generally more people interested (and willing to spend the money) on a DC kit than on the international kit so it should be the DC users complaining about supporting the vocal but non-spending i11l peeps. But I'll bet that it's the DC peeps that will be dropping the cash to make it happen. If the MOQ is 150 and the kit cost is under $150 (though I'd prefer under $100), then we only need to find 149 more peeps to make it happen. ;DI wouldn't say it's a pipe dream, but it it probably does require a different set layout. One in which all the non-standard users help each other. If international, DC, and other alternate layouts were put into one kit we may get enough buyers for it to tip. It would be expensive, but at least we could get the keys we want.
International users were already *****ing about how they have to buy a kit of 3-4 times more keys than what they need for their own language. Do you think they would have a change of heart now and help out DC & exotic layouts in 1 kit too? Humour me please!
EDIT: lest anyone think I'm claiming this thought process as my own, I'm not... Evangs basically did this very thing with Lightcycle and I'm sure there were others before that. It makes sense, particularly with GMK, to offer fewer but larger kits in hopes that all kits will tip. I.E.: base, novelties, alternate layouts. Starting from one giant kit and splitting out only the subsets that will tip on their own. Also, I'm not suggesting this be necessarily done for Nautilus but rather just in the general discussion sense. (Sorry for disrupting the thread with my ramble) :-X
Post by: Auk on Sat, 03 June 2017, 10:00:07
Post by: elfick on Sat, 03 June 2017, 10:31:53
DC doesn't face a regional barrier, it really should be able to stand on its' own. International is very different. Consider how some of the ANSI users object to subsidizing the ISO keys in the base kit, so it's that sentiment dialled up to 11 and instead of encouraging buyers it gives them a compelling reason to reject the set entirely.I think you could consider DC a regional kit. Or rather all regions could be considered alternate layouts (as in alternate from the base kit). The bottom line is that the goal is to have legends that match the key output, right?
I do agree this strategy would discourage some potential buyers, but if it allows $MOQ like-minding individuals to get a kit to tip, isn't that really the goal? Sure, high-quantity price drops are nice, but in the end everyone that's interested (and able) should be willing to spend the base cost to make it happen simply because they want the product.
Post by: Auk on Sat, 03 June 2017, 10:53:47
I worked in an industry where similar issues occur, everyone complains about extremely high, constantly spiraling costs, but buyers really don't care about that because they are only interested in the value for their $ and they can get that better value elsewhere.
DC ought to be different because anyone using it should be able to make full use of the keys they are buying and there shouldn't be the same reason to resent paying for it.
Post by: AndyPock on Sat, 03 June 2017, 10:56:26
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 03 June 2017, 11:10:32
I've been extremely busy over the last month but here is an update:
- Ergodox & Planck kit will come with R4C 2U and 1U spacebars
- Norde will stay as it is. Offering a $60 kit isn't viable for me.
- Dvorak & Colemak won't be offered.
- 7 kits will be available for purchase.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sat, 03 June 2017, 11:52:31
Update time
I've been extremely busy over the last month but here is an update:
- Ergodox & Planck kit will come with R4C 2U and 1U spacebars
- Norde will stay as it is. Offering a $60 kit isn't viable for me.
- Dvorak & Colemak won't be offered.
- 7 kits will be available for purchase.
No Dvorak & Colemak kit makes it seem like MD didn't push it through for YURI
Still very excited none the less! :thumb:
Post by: elfick on Sat, 03 June 2017, 12:00:29
I don't think it will ever work to keep pushing the poor value kits with large numbers of keys that will be unused. Buyers want value for their money regardless of how much disposable cash they have. We're reading GH (or Reddit or Deskthority) but I think most would not be aware of the reasoning that drives the kit grouping, they just see: "Hey these keys look awesome, what do I need for my keyboard? there's the language kit. How much? Why do I have to buy all those when I just need #? Seller is a cheat and treating us like idiots. I'm not buying this!"I agree that is probably how most people think. My point is that you can't keep idiots from being idiots. You can only hope to educate them, and barring that, ignore them and still hope for a successful GB.
I worked in an industry where similar issues occur, everyone complains about extremely high, constantly spiraling costs, but buyers really don't care about that because they are only interested in the value for their $ and they can get that better value elsewhere.
DC ought to be different because anyone using it should be able to make full use of the keys they are buying and there shouldn't be the same reason to resent paying for it.
You are incorrect about the DC kit. People use Colemak or Dvorak, not both, which is impossible to do, so there are always keys that are unused, same as for any other kit.
Post by: elfick on Sat, 03 June 2017, 12:16:46
Update timeWhile no DC makes me sad, but if it won't tip, it won't tip. I'm still interested in base and ErgoPlanck.
I've been extremely busy over the last month but here is an update:
- Ergodox & Planck kit will come with R4C 2U and 1U spacebars
- Norde will stay as it is. Offering a $60 kit isn't viable for me.
- Dvorak & Colemak won't be offered.
- 7 kits will be available for purchase.
But it makes me wonder why you're even bothering to offer Norde since that won't tip either.
And why chose to offer a kit that definitely won't tip over a more expensive kit that may or may not tip? The worst you'd get is the same result.
Thanks and still looking forward to Nautilus!
Post by: Auk on Sat, 03 June 2017, 14:53:28
You are incorrect about the DC kit...fair enough, I thought there were only a few keys that didn't overlap + the selection of scooped and bars for home on each
Post by: pomk on Sat, 03 June 2017, 15:37:06
Update timeOh well, GLWS I guess.
Norde will stay as it is. Offering a $60 kit isn't viable for me.[/li][/list]
Should the norde kit sell even worse than what is typical for GMK sets, please consider proper support for future designs.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Sat, 03 June 2017, 17:33:02
Post by: bun on Sat, 03 June 2017, 23:07:33
Update time
I've been extremely busy over the last month but here is an update:
- Ergodox & Planck kit will come with R4C 2U and 1U spacebars
- Norde will stay as it is. Offering a $60 kit isn't viable for me.
- Dvorak & Colemak won't be offered.
- 7 kits will be available for purchase.
Can't wait... day 1 buy for me ;D
Post by: ashwinv11 on Sun, 04 June 2017, 13:49:00
Can't wait... day 1 buy for me ;D
Same here I can't wait!!! :D
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 04 June 2017, 18:18:12
Post by: colbs on Sun, 04 June 2017, 19:13:00
So will this drop after SA Carbon or GMK Laser?
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Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 04 June 2017, 19:15:58
Post by: e_l_tang on Mon, 05 June 2017, 11:29:57
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 05 June 2017, 11:34:23
So how is it looking for more sizes of space bars?
R4c: 2U, 6U, 6.25U, 7U
R4: 1.75U, 2.25U, 2.75U
Post by: e_l_tang on Mon, 05 June 2017, 11:38:16
Yeah, so have you inquired whether it'd be possible to make some or all of the last three sizes convex?So how is it looking for more sizes of space bars?
R4c: 2U, 6U, 6.25U, 7U
R4: 1.75U, 2.25U, 2.75U
Post by: ..//dexx on Mon, 05 June 2017, 20:16:48
Right after Carbon.
Oh good. That leaves me enough time to see if I still have enough to spare to get in on K-type.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 06 June 2017, 05:40:44
Yeah, so have you inquired whether it'd be possible to make some or all of the last three sizes convex?So how is it looking for more sizes of space bars?
R4c: 2U, 6U, 6.25U, 7U
R4: 1.75U, 2.25U, 2.75U
Making new molds is always possible. However, Nautilus won't have more R4C molds other than the 2Us and 1Us.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Tue, 06 June 2017, 07:21:26
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 06 June 2017, 08:00:22
Could we have a comment on the option for a Blue ISO enter ? Thanks :)
My main objetive with this project was to offer a base kit right under the $100. I do want a GMK set that balances both compatibility and afforadibility. With that in mind, I want the core kits (such as the Base kit and Ergodox) to be as affordable as possible.
Now regarding ISO: unlike Carbon, the base kit comes with UK ISO. That's something that you guys complained with the very first version of Nautilus, and to keep things balanced I removed the blue ISO enter. However, if the pricepoint at 1000 units allows me to add a blue ISO enter while staying the $95-$105 price point, I'll make sure to include one.
Post by: e_l_tang on Tue, 06 June 2017, 09:19:08
Yeah, so have you inquired whether it'd be possible to make some or all of the last three sizes convex?So how is it looking for more sizes of space bars?
R4c: 2U, 6U, 6.25U, 7U
R4: 1.75U, 2.25U, 2.75U
Making new molds is always possible. However, Nautilus won't have more R4C molds other than the 2Us and 1Us.
Okay then, when will we see the updated ErgoDox and Planck kit?
Post by: avid on Tue, 06 June 2017, 13:05:48
Could we have a comment on the option for a Blue ISO enter ? Thanks :)
My main objetive with this project was to offer a base kit right under the $100. I do want a GMK set that balances both compatibility and afforadibility. With that in mind, I want the core kits (such as the Base kit and Ergodox) to be as affordable as possible.
Now regarding ISO: unlike Carbon, the base kit comes with UK ISO. That's something that you guys complained with the very first version of Nautilus, and to keep things balanced I removed the blue ISO enter. However, if the pricepoint at 1000 units allows me to add a blue ISO enter while staying the $95-$105 price point, I'll make sure to include one.
Couldnt a blue iso enter be included in the NORDE kit?
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 06 June 2017, 13:17:35
Could we have a comment on the option for a Blue ISO enter ? Thanks :)
My main objetive with this project was to offer a base kit right under the $100. I do want a GMK set that balances both compatibility and afforadibility. With that in mind, I want the core kits (such as the Base kit and Ergodox) to be as affordable as possible.
Now regarding ISO: unlike Carbon, the base kit comes with UK ISO. That's something that you guys complained with the very first version of Nautilus, and to keep things balanced I removed the blue ISO enter. However, if the pricepoint at 1000 units allows me to add a blue ISO enter while staying the $95-$105 price point, I'll make sure to include one.
Couldnt a blue iso enter be included in the NORDE kit?
I've been thinking a similar solution for this problem by moving the yellow ISO Enter to the novelties kit and keeping a blue one in the base kit. It might work.
Post by: avid on Tue, 06 June 2017, 13:51:28
Could we have a comment on the option for a Blue ISO enter ? Thanks :)
My main objetive with this project was to offer a base kit right under the $100. I do want a GMK set that balances both compatibility and afforadibility. With that in mind, I want the core kits (such as the Base kit and Ergodox) to be as affordable as possible.
Now regarding ISO: unlike Carbon, the base kit comes with UK ISO. That's something that you guys complained with the very first version of Nautilus, and to keep things balanced I removed the blue ISO enter. However, if the pricepoint at 1000 units allows me to add a blue ISO enter while staying the $95-$105 price point, I'll make sure to include one.
Couldnt a blue iso enter be included in the NORDE kit?
I've been thinking a similar solution for this problem by moving the yellow ISO Enter to the novelties kit and keeping a blue one in the base kit. It might work.
Yes the blue iso in base kit and yellow in norde would be perfect. I think most people would prefer blue instead of yellow.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 06 June 2017, 13:53:32
Post by: Belgaer on Tue, 06 June 2017, 15:15:58
Could we have a comment on the option for a Blue ISO enter ? Thanks :)
My main objetive with this project was to offer a base kit right under the $100. I do want a GMK set that balances both compatibility and afforadibility. With that in mind, I want the core kits (such as the Base kit and Ergodox) to be as affordable as possible.
Now regarding ISO: unlike Carbon, the base kit comes with UK ISO. That's something that you guys complained with the very first version of Nautilus, and to keep things balanced I removed the blue ISO enter. However, if the pricepoint at 1000 units allows me to add a blue ISO enter while staying the $95-$105 price point, I'll make sure to include one.
Couldnt a blue iso enter be included in the NORDE kit?
I've been thinking a similar solution for this problem by moving the yellow ISO Enter to the novelties kit and keeping a blue one in the base kit. It might work.
Please don't do this, yellow really makes this set pop! The yellow is wonderful, really brings out the other colours, I'd be devastated if yellow iso enter wasn't in the base kit.
Post by: ThatsFineThatOne on Tue, 06 June 2017, 16:01:26
Could we have a comment on the option for a Blue ISO enter ? Thanks :)
My main objetive with this project was to offer a base kit right under the $100. I do want a GMK set that balances both compatibility and afforadibility. With that in mind, I want the core kits (such as the Base kit and Ergodox) to be as affordable as possible.
Now regarding ISO: unlike Carbon, the base kit comes with UK ISO. That's something that you guys complained with the very first version of Nautilus, and to keep things balanced I removed the blue ISO enter. However, if the pricepoint at 1000 units allows me to add a blue ISO enter while staying the $95-$105 price point, I'll make sure to include one.
Couldnt a blue iso enter be included in the NORDE kit?
I've been thinking a similar solution for this problem by moving the yellow ISO Enter to the novelties kit and keeping a blue one in the base kit. It might work.
Please don't do this, yellow really makes this set pop! The yellow is wonderful, really brings out the other colours, I'd be devastated if yellow iso enter wasn't in the base kit.
Agreed
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 06 June 2017, 16:02:54
Could we have a comment on the option for a Blue ISO enter ? Thanks :)
My main objetive with this project was to offer a base kit right under the $100. I do want a GMK set that balances both compatibility and afforadibility. With that in mind, I want the core kits (such as the Base kit and Ergodox) to be as affordable as possible.
Now regarding ISO: unlike Carbon, the base kit comes with UK ISO. That's something that you guys complained with the very first version of Nautilus, and to keep things balanced I removed the blue ISO enter. However, if the pricepoint at 1000 units allows me to add a blue ISO enter while staying the $95-$105 price point, I'll make sure to include one.
Couldnt a blue iso enter be included in the NORDE kit?
I've been thinking a similar solution for this problem by moving the yellow ISO Enter to the novelties kit and keeping a blue one in the base kit. It might work.
Please don't do this, yellow really makes this set pop! The yellow is wonderful, really brings out the other colours, I'd be devastated if yellow iso enter wasn't in the base kit.
Agreed
No, if one of those enters gets moved it will go to the Novelties kit.
Post by: kmba on Tue, 06 June 2017, 16:32:22
Post by: fouras on Tue, 06 June 2017, 16:59:34
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 06 June 2017, 18:24:29
So is this pushed back now that the Carbon drop was extended?
Yes, we'll have to wait and sea.
It's taking us longer than what we expected to get there, but July will come in no time. I'll continue to work hard on this set and re-run the IC with all the updated kits this week. :thumb:
Post by: Atredl on Tue, 06 June 2017, 18:39:23
Obviously the colors will be a bit different, but whipping these sets together made me pretty excited for this set to be made. I give you SA Nautilus ;-D
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 06 June 2017, 18:59:30
Yes, we'll have to wait and sea.
It's taking us longer than what we expected to get there, but July will come in no time. I'll continue to work hard on this set and re-run the IC with all the updated kits this week. :thumb:
I sea what you did there, sir.
Post by: kmba on Tue, 06 June 2017, 19:28:10
Post by: ..//dexx on Tue, 06 June 2017, 20:23:35
I wonder if massdrop will continue this trend of "making sure everyone gets a chance to buy" aka "make more money on best sellers". Lol. Normally wouldn't mind, but when it pushes back their own queue I kind of do.
And to mixed reactions too. In K-Type drop, the 1st round buy-ins went ballistic with the extension. But in SA Carbon, the crowd seems to be calm. But then again, there isn't another drop like GMK Yuri currently on going. A lot of people seemed to buy less or drop out of Yuri for K-Type.
Post by: elfick on Wed, 07 June 2017, 12:42:43
And to mixed reactions too. In K-Type drop, the 1st round buy-ins went ballistic with the extension. But in SA Carbon, the crowd seems to be calm. But then again, there isn't another drop like GMK Yuri currently on going. A lot of people seemed to buy less or drop out of Yuri for K-Type.I dropped out of Yuri when they announced Carbon.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Wed, 07 June 2017, 13:06:10
I wonder if massdrop will continue this trend of "making sure everyone gets a chance to buy" aka "make more money on best sellers". Lol. Normally wouldn't mind, but when it pushes back their own queue I kind of do.
And to mixed reactions too. In K-Type drop, the 1st round buy-ins went ballistic with the extension. But in SA Carbon, the crowd seems to be calm. But then again, there isn't another drop like GMK Yuri currently on going. A lot of people seemed to buy less or drop out of Yuri for K-Type.
I think the difference is that they extended k-type after it ended. This time they have told everyone of the extension a week before the drop was supposed to end so everyone still has a chance to get in on whatever else they want. Granted I wish they had told us a day sooner since I skipped the hi-profile planck case because I spent so much on Carbon, but had I known I wouldn't be charged for Carbon until the end of the month I probably would have gotten in on the planck. Can't please everyone, but MD did handle it much better this time around.
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 07 June 2017, 14:06:25
Post by: kmba on Wed, 07 June 2017, 14:32:59
Post by: ideus on Wed, 07 June 2017, 16:46:22
Are there no alternatives for the Number Row on this drop? I personally dislike the standard cherry design and always use novelties or whichever for that row.
What "alternative" legend could replace a simple number row, besides novelties?
Post by: MUMU on Thu, 08 June 2017, 07:17:12
Post by: ppp on Thu, 08 June 2017, 08:51:15
Planned to have a topre spacebar for this set? :)
???
gmk has always only been mx compatible. If you want to use 90% of the gb sets out there, you should probably get some topre-mx sliders
Post by: kmba on Thu, 08 June 2017, 09:15:28
Post by: ppp on Thu, 08 June 2017, 09:52:35
You're always stuck using topre spacebars though. I would suggest getting a white or light gray pbt topre spacebar and having it custom dyed to match. There is a gentleman on Reddit that does dye services and his color matching is spot on.
right haha.
You're probably talking about https://www.reddit.com/user/crj3012
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 08 June 2017, 10:51:53
Post by: kmba on Thu, 08 June 2017, 11:14:07
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 08 June 2017, 11:44:37
What about stab fitment though
I wouldn't be surprised if Rixtox modifies the stabs he has already created for the 6.25U SA spacebars.
Source (https://github.com/rixtox/Topre-to-Cherry-MX-Adapter)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 08 June 2017, 12:11:13
The 6U spacebar will have a centered stem, so modding your Topre keyboard will be much easier now.
Interesting. That means the 6u space bar would be useless for a 18xx board, or any compatible one.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 08 June 2017, 12:49:13
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 08 June 2017, 12:54:45
Post by: ideus on Thu, 08 June 2017, 12:55:45
As far as I know, Yuri's 6U spacebars will have a centered stem.
The standard GMK (Previously Cherry) 6u space bar is off-centered. First time I heard about a centered 6u spacebar coming from GMK.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 08 June 2017, 12:57:51
Wait, did you confirm this 6u news with GMK? They've always used off-center stems for the 6u bars, have they had a mold with both center/off-center this whole time or are they now making one for Yuri?
I asked them a couple months ago (T0mb3ry might have done the same) about it and they told me that they would be making a new mold for the 6U stems. This week GMK confirmed me that the molds will be ready to use.
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 08 June 2017, 13:03:43
Post by: ideus on Thu, 08 June 2017, 13:08:25
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 08 June 2017, 13:08:51
Interesting. I wonder if massdrop actually asked them to make that since there are people always asking on drop pages if their Razer keyboard is compatible.
MD didn't need to ask them, GMK has been really proactive for the last year and they have been taking our suggestions seriously.
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 08 June 2017, 13:16:39
Post by: ideus on Thu, 08 June 2017, 13:19:28
I guess that's true, they were on-board to make more convex caps for the planck/etc users. Also just to clarify, do you mean they're making 6u bars that have both centered/off-center stems or that they're switching from off-center to centered?
Well, it appears that they are adding some quality issues along with new features. Back to the matter, the decision going with one or the other space bar should be explicitly discussed with interested parties.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 08 June 2017, 13:21:22
I guess that's true, they were on-board to make more convex caps for the planck/etc users. Also just to clarify, do you mean they're making 6u bars that have both centered/off-center stems or that they're switching from off-center to centered?
Due to the stem position, GMK can't make a double stem spacebar, so either off-center or centered.
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 08 June 2017, 13:27:56
Post by: ideus on Thu, 08 June 2017, 13:30:09
Post by: pomk on Thu, 08 June 2017, 16:39:24
A double stem space bar looks like a better featured thing, than asking people opting for one or the other. SP does it, I do not see why GMK doesn't.There would be no room for a double stem in this case. The second stem would hit the side of the switch making it unusable.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 08 June 2017, 17:13:05
A double stem space bar looks like a better featured thing, than asking people opting for one or the other. SP does it, I do not see why GMK doesn't.There would be no room for a double stem in this case. The second stem would hit the side of the switch making it unusable.
Haven't check dimensions; but, if that is the case, then each GB leader should discuss the options with the participants, going for one, or the other, or even both.
Post by: Cas on Fri, 09 June 2017, 05:22:28
Post by: poolside on Sat, 10 June 2017, 14:03:31
The 6U spacebar will have a centered stem, so modding your Topre keyboard will be much easier now.
The Hammer SA Carbon spacebar, and now this :)
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:04:23
Interested, vote here and get notified! (http://bit.ly/NautilusPoll)
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Base kit
Composed by almost 150 keycaps, the base kit balances cost and layout coverage: 60% (Poker, Ducky Mini, HHKB, KBParadise V60…), Leopold FC660M and Clueboard ,65% and 75% (Whitefox, TADA68, Saber68 M65-A, Exent, Octagon…) , TKL, ZZ96, RS96, Leopold FC980M, Duck Lightsaver, Duck Blackbird, 40% keyboards(JD40, JD45, Minorca, Minivan, and Caravan) and full-sized keyboards. It also includes UK ISO keycaps, winkeyless modifiers as well as a 6U spacebar with a centered stem.
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Ergodox & Planck
In combination with the base kit, the Ergodox & Planck kit provides all the extra keycaps you would need to cover your Ergodox, Planck, Preonic, or Let's Split. Includes 1U and 2U R4C keycaps. And yep, no blanks.
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NORDE
NORDE provides Danish, Finnish, German, Norwegian, and Swedish the essential keycaps needed for their keyboard layouts while keeping in mind affordability.
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Community
Because The MK community is both the best and the worst of this hobby. This kit offers you a set of 15 R1 novelties.
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Space bars
6u, 6.25U, and 7.00U spacebars as well as 1.75U, 2.00U, 2.25U, and 2.75U for split keyboards and 40 percents
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Gallery
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Post by: colbs on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:12:56
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Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:27:21
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:29:03
Darn. I have been planning on putting this on my dox for a while now, but the new ergodox kit with legends sort of ruins it for me, as it doesn't match my layout at all. Why the change?
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If you've been following the last 4-5 group buys at Massdrop, all the Ergodox kits have been doing really well, specially those with legends (check out Godspeed, for instance). This kit covers plenty of combinations for Plancks, Ergodoxes and even the Kinesis Advantage.
I've received countless PMs asking for a kit like this and I believe that Nautilus is a set that can make it possible.
Post by: gaiden on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:29:07
June 6th updateWell at first there were some asking for a Stepped CTRL but the render of the base kit doesn't even have a Stepped key at all. Or did you just forgot a Stepped CapLock? Still secretly hoping for Stepped Ctrl 😌
Interested, vote here and get notified! (http://bit.ly/NautilusPoll)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/novhaU0.png)
Base kit
Composed by almost 150 keycaps, the base kit balances cost and layout coverage: 60% (Poker, Ducky Mini, HHKB, KBParadise V60…), Leopold FC660M and Clueboard ,65% and 75% (Whitefox, TADA68, Saber68 M65-A, Exent, Octagon…) , TKL, ZZ96, RS96, Leopold FC980M, Duck Lightsaver, Duck Blackbird, 40% keyboards(JD40, JD45, Minorca, Minivan, and Caravan) and full-sized keyboards. It also includes UK ISO keycaps, winkeyless modifiers as well as a 6U spacebar with a centered stem.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ct1lUed.png)
Ergodox & Planck
In combination with the base kit, the Ergodox & Planck kit provides all the extra keycaps you would need to cover your Ergodox, Kinesis Advantage, Planck, Preonic, or Let's Split. Includes 1U and 2U R4C keycaps. And yep, no blanks.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3twuoMY.png)
NORDE
NORDE provides Danish, Finnish, German, Norwegian, and Swedish the essential keycaps needed for their keyboard layouts while keeping in mind affordability.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/70bsMu3.png)
Community
Because The MK community is both the best and the worst of this hobby. This kit offers you a set of 12 R1 novelties.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LCotMkX.png)
Space bars
6u, 6.25U, and 7.00U spacebars as well as 1.75U, 2.00U, 2.25U, and 2.75U for split keyboards and 40 percentsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/VrMZeY8.png)
GalleryShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GRRX3vO.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TOUw2Oh.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BCS9IPR.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FhTpBWY.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/opddi14.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GxNHhjg.png)
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Post by: gnmar2723 on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:29:29
Darn. I have been planning on putting this on my dox for a while now, but the new ergodox kit with legends sort of ruins it for me, as it doesn't match my layout at all. Why the change?
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While I don't use ergodox myself, I feel like it's a bad idea to have legends as per the reason stated above. People have lots of different layouts and might turn away people who would have otherwise purchased the kit.
No stepped caps???? :-\
Hmmm that seems to be a pretty big oversight as well...
Post by: colbs on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:34:11
Darn. I have been planning on putting this on my dox for a while now, but the new ergodox kit with legends sort of ruins it for me, as it doesn't match my layout at all. Why the change?
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If you've been following the last 4-5 group buys at Massdrop, all the Ergodox kits have been doing really well, specially those with legends (check out Godspeed, for instance). This kit covers plenty of combinations for Plancks, Ergodoxes and even the Kinesis Advantage.
I've received countless PMs asking for a kit like this and I believe that Nautilus is a set that can make it possible.
Fair enough. You are correct on ergodox kits with legends doing well (e.g. carbon ergodox pro has sold almost twice as well as blanks). I am just bummed because (1) my layout is not close to being covered with the new nautilus ergodox kit, and (2) I got yuri for a 60%, but would have gotten it for the ergodox (and bought nautilus for the 60%) if I knew this change was coming.
Oh well, good luck with the GB
Post by: ehmlis on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:50:48
EDIT: I will ofc get the novelties as well, if they get released.
Post by: Parva Ovis on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:54:38
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 10 June 2017, 16:56:06
Darn. I have been planning on putting this on my dox for a while now, but the new ergodox kit with legends sort of ruins it for me, as it doesn't match my layout at all. Why the change?
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While I don't use ergodox myself, I feel like it's a bad idea to have legends as per the reason stated above. People have lots of different layouts and might turn away people who would have otherwise purchased the kit.No stepped caps???? :-\
Hmmm that seems to be a pretty big oversight as well...
Sorry, it was a render mistake. There should be a stepped caps lock in there.
Post by: e_l_tang on Sat, 10 June 2017, 17:08:57
Post by: avid on Sat, 10 June 2017, 17:14:32
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 10 June 2017, 17:16:53
Is there any reason the 1u thumb cluster keycaps and the Lower and Raise keycaps aren't convex in the ErgoDox/Planck kit?
Those work as spacebars, not as Raise and lower keycaps.
Post by: e_l_tang on Sat, 10 June 2017, 17:31:02
What do you mean? All thumb keycaps should be convex, not just space bars.Is there any reason the 1u thumb cluster keycaps and the Lower and Raise keycaps aren't convex in the ErgoDox/Planck kit?
Those work as spacebars, not as Raise and lower keycaps.
Post by: Atredl on Sat, 10 June 2017, 18:42:19
What do you mean? All thumb keycaps should be convex, not just space bars.Is there any reason the 1u thumb cluster keycaps and the Lower and Raise keycaps aren't convex in the ErgoDox/Planck kit?
Those work as spacebars, not as Raise and lower keycaps.
Not sure there's a mold for 1u convex keys yet. It is a good idea to get those made though.
Post by: e_l_tang on Sat, 10 June 2017, 18:51:13
There is. Yuri had convex 1u keycaps and this set has them too.What do you mean? All thumb keycaps should be convex, not just space bars.Is there any reason the 1u thumb cluster keycaps and the Lower and Raise keycaps aren't convex in the ErgoDox/Planck kit?
Those work as spacebars, not as Raise and lower keycaps.
Not sure there's a mold for 1u convex keys yet. It is a good idea to get those made though.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sat, 10 June 2017, 19:04:17
No blue iso enter? Couldnt it be fitted into something like Norde kit?
Since ANSI gets both, it seems pretty unfair to only give the yellow one to ISO users. It doesn't matter which kit it's in, but I really think that this needs to be added.
Post by: schoolbus on Sat, 10 June 2017, 21:04:40
Post by: My_Thoughts on Sun, 11 June 2017, 09:08:06
Could we have a comment on the option for a Blue ISO enter ? Thanks :)
My main objetive with this project was to offer a base kit right under the $100. I do want a GMK set that balances both compatibility and afforadibility. With that in mind, I want the core kits (such as the Base kit and Ergodox) to be as affordable as possible.
Now regarding ISO: unlike Carbon, the base kit comes with UK ISO. That's something that you guys complained with the very first version of Nautilus, and to keep things balanced I removed the blue ISO enter. However, if the pricepoint at 1000 units allows me to add a blue ISO enter while staying the $95-$105 price point, I'll make sure to include one.
Thanks :) Where ever the blue ISO ends up, I will buy it :)
Post by: Konjungamo on Sun, 11 June 2017, 11:43:39
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Post by: kawaiicheung on Mon, 12 June 2017, 01:50:18
Post by: loud_asian on Mon, 12 June 2017, 03:42:23
Does anyone know which keyboard is the first pic of Gallery?
It's just a render, that keyboard doesn't exist
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 12 June 2017, 07:33:56
Does anyone know which keyboard is the first pic of Gallery?
It's just a render, that keyboard doesn't exist
That's Nara. As loud-asian said, and like all the keyboard that I use for the renders, it doesn't exist. However I plan to keep working on it.
Post by: ppp on Mon, 12 June 2017, 16:52:07
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 14 June 2017, 13:22:38
Will buy 3-5 sets if nordic is added to base or non-standard.
I doubt that'll happen, as it would be overkill for the majority of the buyers I believe...
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Fri, 16 June 2017, 14:22:37
Darn. I have been planning on putting this on my dox for a while now, but the new ergodox kit with legends sort of ruins it for me, as it doesn't match my layout at all. Why the change?
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If you've been following the last 4-5 group buys at Massdrop, all the Ergodox kits have been doing really well, specially those with legends (check out Godspeed, for instance). This kit covers plenty of combinations for Plancks, Ergodoxes and even the Kinesis Advantage.
I've received countless PMs asking for a kit like this and I believe that Nautilus is a set that can make it possible.
The introduction of legends in the Ergodox kit made this a must buy for me. I'm not an Ergodox user but I am a beginning Planck user and I really like the look of legends on my modifiers. I'm curious about what layouts the Ergodox users are using that don't match these legends -- it seems like the keys in the Ergodox kit along with the keys in the base kit would cover 99% of the Ergodox layouts I've seen in my cursory google search.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 16 June 2017, 16:29:39
- Base kit: No changes
- Norde: A blue iso enter has been added to this kit as I don't want to add more keycaps to the base kit, but still want to offer one.
- Dvorak & Colemak: I've reconsidered my position about this kit and it would be the best for everyone to offer it.
- Ergodox & Planck: some R2 1.5Us will be added, as well as a couple 1U R4s and R1s
- Novelties: awaiting GMK's response regarding any issues with them.
- Community: Nautilus will use Mito's RMK logo.
- Spacebars: no changes
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Post by: colbs on Fri, 16 June 2017, 18:28:17
The introduction of legends in the Ergodox kit made this a must buy for me. I'm not an Ergodox user but I am a beginning Planck user and I really like the look of legends on my modifiers. I'm curious about what layouts the Ergodox users are using that don't match these legends -- it seems like the keys in the Ergodox kit along with the keys in the base kit would cover 99% of the Ergodox layouts I've seen in my cursory google search.
For me, the rows are wrong on the main modifiers, so most (75%) of the keys I need for the main sections are there, but incorrectly profiled for my layout. On my thumb clusters, other than space/backspace/enter, every key is a macro or shortcut for my IDE for programming. About 80% of my personal layout would be wrong with the new legends. I am fine with a few mislabeled keys, but that is too much for me.
I am fully aware my use case is probably not the norm, and I am happy for anyone that appreciates the addition of legends. The set just isn't for me anymore.
Cheers
Post by: kevinzavier on Fri, 16 June 2017, 20:11:05
Post by: colbs on Fri, 16 June 2017, 20:29:31
yall need to calm down, theres no way this guy can cater to every single one of ure "needs"
???
I don't really see where people are not being "calm" (except maybe the ISO enter stuff, and even that isn't too extreme). No one expects everyone's needs to be met, but this is pretty tame for an interest check discussion as far as I can tell.
Post by: euphxenos on Fri, 16 June 2017, 22:11:24
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 17 June 2017, 06:41:02
I see the base kit is described as supporting the 65% layout of the Tada68/Saber68, but I don't see the R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn used in the default layout on those keyboards. Can that be added?
Just use the R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn. There are no real standard when it comes to 68% keyboards and you can just remap the keys anyway...
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 17 June 2017, 07:13:15
Novelties: awaiting GMK's response regarding any issues with them.
Which novelties are you referring to? Can't find any renders of them
Post by: schoolbus on Sat, 17 June 2017, 07:18:43
Novelties: awaiting GMK's response regarding any issues with them.
Which novelties are you referring to? Can't find any renders of them
They've never been posted.
Post by: avid on Sat, 17 June 2017, 07:47:15
This and solarized dark is going to be so sweet. Actually going to be my first GMK sets.
Probably getting two of the nautilus. How many are you guys getting?
Is there any pointers to prices?
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 17 June 2017, 08:10:22
Post by: Auk on Sun, 18 June 2017, 04:05:08
- Norde: A blue iso enter has been added to this kit as I don't want to add more keycaps to the base kit, but still want to offer one.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0AA3kxy.png)
4 with € is missing from the Norde kit?
I know you want to keep this set affordable, so maybe this one didn't make the cut?
Post by: online on Sun, 18 June 2017, 12:21:57
I want this set on my minila so bad!!
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sun, 18 June 2017, 15:21:54
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 18 June 2017, 17:17:43
I don't think GMK has 3u molds. YURI didn't even have them IIRCYup. Yuri only had 2.75 u keys in the spacebar
Post by: vafan on Sun, 18 June 2017, 23:06:06
Here is an update regarding all of Nautilus' kits:
- Base kit: No changes
- Norde: A blue iso enter has been added to this kit as I don't want to add more keycaps to the base kit, but still want to offer one.
- Dvorak & Colemak: I've reconsidered my position about this kit and it would be the best for everyone to offer it.
- Ergodox & Planck: some R2 1.5Us will be added, as well as a couple 1U R4s and R1s
- Novelties: awaiting GMK's response regarding any issues with them.
- Community: Nautilus will use Mito's RMK logo.
- Spacebars: no changes
I will join this, definitely. Howerver, IMO, I think you should add some extra blank 1.5 keycaps for Ergodox or a full blank set.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0AA3kxy.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6qFdOwY.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fTN9OXX.png)
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Post by: euphxenos on Mon, 19 June 2017, 00:57:57
I see the base kit is described as supporting the 65% layout of the Tada68/Saber68, but I don't see the R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn used in the default layout on those keyboards. Can that be added?
Just use the R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn. There are no real standard when it comes to 68% keyboards and you can just remap the keys anyway...
I realize that there's no real standard for 65%/68% layouts, but if you look at the description of the base kit in the original post in this thread, it explicitly lists the White Fox, Tada68, and Saber68 as being covered by the base kit, but the base kit is missing the R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn, which are used in the default layouts of all three of those keyboards. I'd like to use the default layout, and I'd like to use the correct profile on every key. Would you claim that this base kit covers a Dvorak? It's the same issue -- the keys are there but in the wrong profile.
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 19 June 2017, 08:59:52
I see the base kit is described as supporting the 65% layout of the Tada68/Saber68, but I don't see the R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn used in the default layout on those keyboards. Can that be added?
Just use the R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn. There are no real standard when it comes to 68% keyboards and you can just remap the keys anyway...
I realize that there's no real standard for 65%/68% layouts, but if you look at the description of the base kit in the original post in this thread, it explicitly lists the White Fox, Tada68, and Saber68 as being covered by the base kit, but the base kit is missing the R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn, which are used in the default layouts of all three of those keyboards. I'd like to use the default layout, and I'd like to use the correct profile on every key. Would you claim that this base kit covers a Dvorak? It's the same issue -- the keys are there but in the wrong profile.
Those three keyboards are programmable, so technically they are still covered. And you cannot compare Dvorak, which can be applied to any form factor, with the placement of 2 modifier keycaps for a particular format (65%/75%).
Post by: euphxenos on Mon, 19 June 2017, 12:27:43
I see the base kit is described as supporting the 65% layout of the Tada68/Saber68, but I don't see the R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn used in the default layout on those keyboards. Can that be added?
Just use the R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn. There are no real standard when it comes to 68% keyboards and you can just remap the keys anyway...
I realize that there's no real standard for 65%/68% layouts, but if you look at the description of the base kit in the original post in this thread, it explicitly lists the White Fox, Tada68, and Saber68 as being covered by the base kit, but the base kit is missing the R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn, which are used in the default layouts of all three of those keyboards. I'd like to use the default layout, and I'd like to use the correct profile on every key. Would you claim that this base kit covers a Dvorak? It's the same issue -- the keys are there but in the wrong profile.
Those three keyboards are programmable, so technically they are still covered. And you cannot compare Dvorak, which can be applied to any form factor, with the placement of 2 modifier keycaps for a particular format (65%/75%).
Thanks for a definitive answer. I'll just pass on this one in favor of the other sets that do fully cover this layout.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 19 June 2017, 13:36:57
Thanks for a definitive answer. I'll just pass on this one in favor of the other sets that do fully cover this layout.
Whilst I sympathize with the sentiment and understand the disappointment/decision, I feel like it's such a small thing that most people wouldn't care - some people don't use those 2 keys for pgup/dn, some people use those slots for artisans, etc. There's many ways around it to the point where I understand Zambu's decision but yea, it is complicated to please everyone.
Post by: merintil on Mon, 19 June 2017, 14:38:48
This isn't a dealbreaker for me, but I do prefer to have 1u backspace keys in R1.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 19 June 2017, 15:01:06
Post by: ye_cole on Mon, 19 June 2017, 18:01:46
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Mon, 19 June 2017, 18:12:19
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Post by: Auk on Mon, 19 June 2017, 18:16:59
Haven't had chance to read the whole thread but will there be a 7u space bar option?
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Yes, see both the base kit and the extra space bars kit
Post by: ArchDill on Mon, 19 June 2017, 18:31:40
Post by: ZA Design on Mon, 19 June 2017, 23:20:52
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 20 June 2017, 12:16:26
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 20 June 2017, 12:34:04
@Zambumon Any chance of getting an EU proxy for this. MykeyboardsEU is hosting the EU proxy for GMK Solarized Dark and at those prices it is very hard to say no. https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/gmk-solarized-dark_21/
This is being ran on Massdrop, they don't work like that.
You could try and get MykeyboardsEU to proxy their own Massdrop order like is usually done on Taobao- but I don't think there's really much of a financial benefit.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 20 June 2017, 13:16:25
You could try and get MykeyboardsEU to proxy their own Massdrop order like is usually done on Taobao- but I don't think there's really much of a financial benefit.
Yea there's not a big monetary difference at all, I mean some countries have pretty heavy import tax (not VAT) but it'd be like a 20€ save or something at most. The biggest deal would be expediting the shipments along if anything because some countries' customs take forever to process international packages. In Portugal for example it takes between 4 to 8 weeks which is awful, if mykeyboards would take care of all of that then it'd probably shave off a couple weeks off of the wait time, but that's hardly worth all the effort, imo.
Plus EU orders as opposed to the Asian ones probably comprise a smaller portion - if the ISO numbers are anything to go by, adding a few extras for people that use ANSI-US (like myself) or alternative layouts, I'd imagine they'd be maybe 10% of total orders maximum. Asian orders usually pull in like 20-25%; someone's made up stats for this before for an older drop but I can't remember who/where honestly.
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 20 June 2017, 15:08:58
I would expect the EU order count to rise significantly if moving forward, there would be more proxies and ISO kits included in the base kits (like some of the upcoming ones)You could try and get MykeyboardsEU to proxy their own Massdrop order like is usually done on Taobao- but I don't think there's really much of a financial benefit.
Yea there's not a big monetary difference at all, I mean some countries have pretty heavy import tax (not VAT) but it'd be like a 20€ save or something at most. The biggest deal would be expediting the shipments along if anything because some countries' customs take forever to process international packages. In Portugal for example it takes between 4 to 8 weeks which is awful, if mykeyboards would take care of all of that then it'd probably shave off a couple weeks off of the wait time, but that's hardly worth all the effort, imo.
Plus EU orders as opposed to the Asian ones probably comprise a smaller portion - if the ISO numbers are anything to go by, adding a few extras for people that use ANSI-US (like myself) or alternative layouts, I'd imagine they'd be maybe 10% of total orders maximum. Asian orders usually pull in like 20-25%; someone's made up stats for this before for an older drop but I can't remember who/where honestly.
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 20 June 2017, 15:24:32
Just look at SA carbon, there are 1700 orders right now for Alphas, and 66 orders for ISO kits. 66, that's not even 4%.
Are there less international orders because people don't want to pay shipping/import fees?
Or are there less because there isn't really a market?
I'd love to see the data on how many orders end up going international so we could truly understand this better.
Is it it the chicken or the egg? I personally feel if the demand was truly there for ISO that Massdrop / someone else would jump in or pop up to accommodate.
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 20 June 2017, 16:32:35
I mean, almost every modern GMK drop that I know of has basic ISO support. The specialty kits that allow for more ISO compatibility always struggle or don't make MOQ. The vast, vast majority of the purchases though are obviously for ANSI users, and naturally so ANSI folks don't want to pay more to subsidize ISO- which I don't think is fair.
Just look at SA carbon, there are 1700 orders right now for Alphas, and 66 orders for ISO kits. 66, that's not even 4%.
Are there less international orders because people don't want to pay shipping/import fees?
Or are there less because there isn't really a market?
I'd love to see the data on how many orders end up going international so we could truly understand this better.
Is it it the chicken or the egg? I personally feel if the demand was truly there for ISO that Massdrop / someone else would jump in or pop up to accommodate.
Yup, if Massdrop had a european proxy, those stats would look much different
Post by: merlin64 on Tue, 20 June 2017, 16:34:39
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 20 June 2017, 16:36:41
...
Yup, if Massdrop had a european proxy, those stats would look much different
I just don't think that's true. And I'd encourage you to look at group buys based Internationally as evidence.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88361.0
Post by: rioc on Tue, 20 June 2017, 16:37:55
Apparently Tai-Hao made a copy of this set! Right before it goes on GB!
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501)
yea... they showed that set at computex
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 20 June 2017, 16:38:09
Apparently Tai-Hao made a copy of this set! Right before it goes on GB!
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501
That's not really a copy of this set, that's a copy of danger zone
http://imgur.com/uChIaQH
Post by: Auk on Tue, 20 June 2017, 16:39:37
Tai-Hao made a copy...
That was on reddit, some of the comments there said it was a copy of Danger Zone rather than Nautilus. Either way it looks pish...
Post by: rioc on Tue, 20 June 2017, 16:39:58
Apparently Tai-Hao made a copy of this set! Right before it goes on GB!
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501)
That's not really a copy of this set, that's a copy of danger zone
http://imgur.com/uChIaQH (http://imgur.com/uChIaQH)
true... it's the deep blue that reminded me of this set
Post by: merlin64 on Tue, 20 June 2017, 16:40:54
Apparently Tai-Hao made a copy of this set! Right before it goes on GB!
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501
That's not really a copy of this set, that's a copy of danger zone
http://imgur.com/uChIaQH
My apologies! You are correct, I completely forgot about that set!
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 20 June 2017, 16:48:29
Apparently Tai-Hao made a copy of this set! Right before it goes on GB!
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501
That's not really a copy of this set, that's a copy of danger zone
http://imgur.com/uChIaQH
What about this :))
(http://i.imgur.com/hxsNZ39.jpg)
Post by: rioc on Wed, 21 June 2017, 01:56:11
Apparently Tai-Hao made a copy of this set! Right before it goes on GB!
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501)
That's not really a copy of this set, that's a copy of danger zone
http://imgur.com/uChIaQH (http://imgur.com/uChIaQH)
What about this :))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hxsNZ39.jpg)
ah, that's the one I meant which was seen at computex... not the other one
this is defo nautilus rip
Post by: Auk on Wed, 21 June 2017, 05:16:13
What about this...
Is that also Tai Hao? quality looks quite dubious, but maybe it's just because it's shine through legends? whatever the reason I can't see it taking sales from Nautilus.
Post by: merlin64 on Wed, 21 June 2017, 09:16:10
Within the enthusiast community I don't think anyone would choose this over GMK. However it's a good way to get new people into the hobby!
Post by: ppp on Wed, 21 June 2017, 09:26:18
If it were me 2-3 years ago, I'd probably say. "Plastic is plastic...go for this because its cheaper and you get it faster".
Within the enthusiast community I don't think anyone would choose this over GMK. However it's a good way to get new people into the hobby!
This. Cheap keysets get you suckered in then you realize there are quality ones and that's what we stay for.
Post by: kmba on Thu, 22 June 2017, 23:04:21
I got 99 problems but cheap plastic ain't one
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Fri, 23 June 2017, 17:41:29
Post by: colbs on Tue, 27 June 2017, 12:26:41
I've never actually used an Ergodox. Are the keycaps different for the left and right sides? Or do they only differ based on row profile (i.e. R1, R2, R3, R4)? The render shows a vertical R2 keycap for open braces/open bracket ("{", "[") on both the right-hand and left-hand sides, but unless the right-hand and left-hand sides have different stem patterns it seems like that would be a duplicate keycap which could potentially have a different label on it.
Same keycap, but legend is flipped 180 degrees. The vertical keys on the ergodox are R2 profile, 1.5u (exactly the same as the tab key). On the ergodox, the 'front' face of the vertical keys points towards the gaps between the two halves. So even though they are the same key profile and width, their different orientation on each half of the ergodox requires that both keys be made. If you open up the ergodox render and look at those keys more closely, you can see that the less steep face of the keycaps point in different directions depending on which hand of the ergodox they are on.
Post by: theillumedpanda on Tue, 27 June 2017, 15:39:52
This looks terrible :DApparently Tai-Hao made a copy of this set! Right before it goes on GB!
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2501
That's not really a copy of this set, that's a copy of danger zone
http://imgur.com/uChIaQH
What about this :))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hxsNZ39.jpg)
Post by: rippor on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:49:46
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:08:32
Probably a dumb question, but will this come in those cool trays like the other GMK sets?
Of course. And they'll be packed in a custom banderole. :thumb:
Post by: ppp on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:11:41
Post by: typischt on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:22:34
Can carbon end already so we can get on board??? I've been waiting foreverrrr x__x
Seriously, Carbon is going on for aaages! O.o
But tbh, in regards to budget, I'm kinda glad it's like that. :)
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Post by: kmba on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:35:58
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:39:06
Can carbon end already so we can get on board??? I've been waiting foreverrrr x__x
Can carbon end already so we can get on board??? I've been waiting foreverrrr x__x
Seriously, Carbon is going on for aaages! O.o
But tbh, in regards to budget, I'm kinda glad it's like that. :)
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Can carbon end already so we can get on board??? I've been waiting foreverrrr x__x
(https://media.tenor.com/images/e7574749cd687b4bf56331c43385eddb/tenor.gif)
:)
Post by: ppp on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:51:53
Can carbon end already so we can get on board??? I've been waiting foreverrrr x__xCan carbon end already so we can get on board??? I've been waiting foreverrrr x__x
Seriously, Carbon is going on for aaages! O.o
But tbh, in regards to budget, I'm kinda glad it's like that. :)
Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant TapatalkCan carbon end already so we can get on board??? I've been waiting foreverrrr x__xShow Image(https://media.tenor.com/images/e7574749cd687b4bf56331c43385eddb/tenor.gif)
:)
<3 just teasing. I'm just mad cuz I can't afford all the mods :p
Post by: rippor on Wed, 28 June 2017, 12:49:32
Probably a dumb question, but will this come in those cool trays like the other GMK sets?
Of course. And they'll be packed in a custom banderole. :thumb:
a custom what?
Ive never purchased GMK keys so pardon the ignorance
Post by: ppp on Wed, 28 June 2017, 13:06:53
Probably a dumb question, but will this come in those cool trays like the other GMK sets?
Of course. And they'll be packed in a custom banderole. :thumb:
a custom what?
Ive never purchased GMK keys so pardon the ignorance
It's just one of those slip-on box type things.
The box with no sides.
here's a picture of the hydro banderole + tray http://i.imgur.com/MrqxOxr.jpg
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 28 June 2017, 15:59:19
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FvCjCfCR1QzyNm1CPlwlT_n2.png)
Post by: Konjungamo on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:00:16
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:14:50
Post by: merintil on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:18:28
Post by: Konjungamo on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:19:00
If I'm being honest I have no idea what the enter novelty is supposed to be though :D
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:25:15
The price for the NORDE-Kit is fantastic!I'm really happy too with how the NORDE kit has been priced.
If I'm being honest I have no idea what the enter novelty is supposed to be though :D
The enter key is the Nautilus II from the League of extraordinary gentlemen, I thought it was a cool addition and tried my best to match the original one.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/75/5a/1c/755a1ce5dae986b98719cd662a08765c.jpg)
Post by: euphxenos on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:25:52
Post by: Konjungamo on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:33:03
The price for the NORDE-Kit is fantastic!I'm really happy too with how the NORDE kit has been priced.
If I'm being honest I have no idea what the enter novelty is supposed to be though :D
The enter key is the Nautilus II from the League of extraordinary gentlemen, I thought it was a cool addition and tried my best to match the original one.Show Image(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/75/5a/1c/755a1ce5dae986b98719cd662a08765c.jpg)
Oh that's cool, definitely an eyecatcher and something to talk about even for people not interested in keybaords!
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:50:33
Post by: ppp on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:56:11
Post by: ctrl on Wed, 28 June 2017, 17:25:20
I was going to go for Carbon (because it is a damn fine set! Love those hexagons!), but I was planning on using this purchase for a split spacebar build (which likely will become my first build ever) and I'd like the bottom row to be uniform. For this purpose Nautilus would be better, I think.
Post by: Konjungamo on Wed, 28 June 2017, 19:30:54
Would be sad to see this set without them as I definitely prefer bars to scoops for orientation.
Maybe at 1000 orders, pretty please?
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 28 June 2017, 19:41:18
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 28 June 2017, 20:14:11
What is the reasoning for keeping certain keycaps in the ErgoDox/Planck kit concave? I don't see any reason why they should stay concave when they can be made convex as they should be without any extra cost.
Convex keycaps don't have legends and are intended to be used as spacebars by Planck users, the rest of the keycaps have to be concave, as it allows them to get legends.
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 28 June 2017, 22:00:33
Why can't convex keycaps have legends?What is the reasoning for keeping certain keycaps in the ErgoDox/Planck kit concave? I don't see any reason why they should stay concave when they can be made convex as they should be without any extra cost.
Convex keycaps don't have legends and are intended to be used as spacebars by Planck users, the rest of the keycaps have to be concave, as it allows them to get legends.
Post by: pab on Wed, 28 June 2017, 22:07:35
Why can't convex keycaps have legends?What is the reasoning for keeping certain keycaps in the ErgoDox/Planck kit concave? I don't see any reason why they should stay concave when they can be made convex as they should be without any extra cost.
Convex keycaps don't have legends and are intended to be used as spacebars by Planck users, the rest of the keycaps have to be concave, as it allows them to get legends.
My naive guess is that they would requite separate molds, and therefore more expensive.
Post by: bun on Thu, 29 June 2017, 07:19:24
DO WANT. SHALL HAVE.
;D
Post by: Belgaer on Thu, 29 June 2017, 08:08:10
Post by: Arallu on Thu, 29 June 2017, 08:31:40
Sooo, definitely no barred F and J keys?
Would be sad to see this set without them as I definitely prefer bars to scoops for orientation.
Maybe at 1000 orders, pretty please?
No barred F/J keys is really a letdown.
Post by: ppp on Thu, 29 June 2017, 08:36:28
Sooo, definitely no barred F and J keys?
Would be sad to see this set without them as I definitely prefer bars to scoops for orientation.
Maybe at 1000 orders, pretty please?
No barred F/J keys is really a letdown.
Oh I didn't even notice... +1.
Still going to buy but I'd rather have bars than learn something new :p
never really used scoops before.
Post by: Konjungamo on Thu, 29 June 2017, 08:53:57
Sooo, definitely no barred F and J keys?
Would be sad to see this set without them as I definitely prefer bars to scoops for orientation.
Maybe at 1000 orders, pretty please?
No barred F/J keys is really a letdown.
Oh I didn't even notice... +1.
Still going to buy but I'd rather have bars than learn something new :p
never really used scoops before.
Same situation here. Apparently, there can also be light bleeding issues when GMKs scooped caps are paired with switch LEDs (althought that might affect light-alpha sets like Plum or Carbon more than a dark set like Nautilus).
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:36:15
Sooo, definitely no barred F and J keys?
Would be sad to see this set without them as I definitely prefer bars to scoops for orientation.
Maybe at 1000 orders, pretty please?
No barred F/J keys is really a letdown.
Oh I didn't even notice... +1.
Still going to buy but I'd rather have bars than learn something new :p
never really used scoops before.
Same situation here. Apparently, there can also be light bleeding issues when GMKs scooped caps are paired with switch LEDs (althought that might affect light-alpha sets like Plum or Carbon more than a dark set like Nautilus).
The light leaks were produced in Triumph Adler due to a change in the composition of the plastic used (Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74258.0)) and I haven't spotted a single keyset that has had them after it.
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8025/28705792234_a943d10136_k.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/12/6b/52/126b524c0c28bf17b1d2a8522a57c4be.jpg)
(https://mechanicalkeyboardinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/RS96-GMK-Retro.jpg)
(https://mechanicalkeyboardinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/GoN-NerD60-Skidata.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:38:28
Post by: Konjungamo on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:59:41
The light leaks were produced in Triumph Adler due to a change in the composition of the plastic used (Source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74258.0)) and I haven't spotted a single keyset that has had them after it.Show Image(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8025/28705792234_a943d10136_k.jpg)Show Image(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/12/6b/52/126b524c0c28bf17b1d2a8522a57c4be.jpg)Show Image(https://mechanicalkeyboardinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/RS96-GMK-Retro.jpg)Show Image(https://mechanicalkeyboardinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/GoN-NerD60-Skidata.jpg)
Not trying to start a fight or anything, but it seems to be a more recent problem as well, at least with Plum:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-jessica-gmk-plum-custom-keycap-set/talk/1733595?utm_source=linkshare&referer=65KF82
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment%2FDzIIGCGqRnSeHqRiHK2j_IMG_2364.JPG?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=min&h=284&dpr=1)
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/6jwqom/usca_h_paypal_w_gmk_plum_scooped_f/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6k4iby/gmk_bleedthrough_of_backlighting/ <-- Admittedly, this is where I first heard of this problem and it seems to be isolated incidents.
So probably nothing to worry about with the darker color of Nautilus, just trying to find some more reasons for including our beloved barred F/J caps.
Post by: Auk on Thu, 29 June 2017, 11:25:52
Scoop Nazi ?!
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NEXT !!!
Post by: dubious on Thu, 29 June 2017, 11:27:03
scoops are just warped keys :rolleyes:
Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 29 June 2017, 11:27:36
This doesn't apply to most of the legends in the kit, since they have to be made new anyway. No one's ever going to need concave Lower and Raise keycaps for example and only a legend mold for convex keycaps would be needed.Why can't convex keycaps have legends?What is the reasoning for keeping certain keycaps in the ErgoDox/Planck kit concave? I don't see any reason why they should stay concave when they can be made convex as they should be without any extra cost.
Convex keycaps don't have legends and are intended to be used as spacebars by Planck users, the rest of the keycaps have to be concave, as it allows them to get legends.
My naive guess is that they would requite separate molds, and therefore more expensive.
Post by: elfick on Fri, 30 June 2017, 13:15:45
I didn't even check earlier because I had assumed all GMK sets came with them.
I just find them easier to home on than scoops.
Either way, I'm still in for the set, because ...
Zambumon, I missed the post where you had reconsidered DC support so when I saw them in the drop preview I was stoked!
Thanks man, you rock!!!!
Post by: KnightDX on Fri, 30 June 2017, 13:17:35
Post by: Auk on Fri, 30 June 2017, 13:27:42
Does this drop today ? June 30th?
I think MD drops usually start at 6 AM PT, but I'm not sure it's the case for every drop they do. Anyway I'm guessing Nautilus drop probably isn't starting today. Next week maybe?
Also, Zambumon was last weeks guest on Top Clack (https://youtu.be/r4CWk3k7yJc?t=1292)
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 30 June 2017, 13:30:20
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 30 June 2017, 13:58:33
Post by: typischt on Mon, 03 July 2017, 08:09:31
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-nautilus-custom-keycap-set
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Post by: OneNightFriend on Mon, 03 July 2017, 08:17:47
It's live!Awesome!
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-nautilus-custom-keycap-set
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Post by: infiniti on Mon, 03 July 2017, 08:29:05
MOD EDIT: Changed title from "[IC] GMK Nautilus" to "[GB] Massdrop x Zambumon GMK Nautilus Custom Keycap Set" and moved to the Group Buys and Preorders sub-forum (https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=70.0).
Post by: litster on Mon, 03 July 2017, 17:22:22
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 03 July 2017, 17:23:54
Are the tiny short spacebars in the spacebar kit in actually spacebar profile or are they just blank shift keys?Those marked R4C are convex.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 03 July 2017, 20:28:27
It's live!Awesome!
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-nautilus-custom-keycap-set (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-nautilus-custom-keycap-set)
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Brilliant, another fine GMK order to buy into :thumb: .
Just placed my order through and now the waiting begins, yet again.
Post by: OneNightFriend on Mon, 03 July 2017, 20:29:37
But the wait is worth it... Right? Right?!?It's live!Awesome!
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-nautilus-custom-keycap-set (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-nautilus-custom-keycap-set)
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Brilliant, another fine GMK order to buy into :thumb: .
Just placed my order through and now the waiting begins, yet again.
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 03 July 2017, 22:35:39
Post by: theillumedpanda on Tue, 04 July 2017, 02:38:16
Is this the most successful as of now?
Post by: Auk on Tue, 04 July 2017, 02:55:11
I guess that's a total for all sets purchased, so not just base sets
Correct, the live total is every kit. The price table graphic is updated every 24-72 hrs:
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Is this the most successful as of now?
Pretty sure /dev/tty, Carbon and Yuri got very large sales on the first day, but it's to be expected, early rush before the sales slow right down, then a spike toward then end.
Yuri's sales were split because there was an Asian proxy, anyone know if there are any proxies operating for this buy or is it all Massdrop for Nautilus?
Post by: FSund on Tue, 04 July 2017, 03:38:23
Dasher & Dancer sold 1252+483 base kits and 103+18 ISO kits == 6.4 % (separate ISO and international kits)
/dev/tty sold 1836 base kits and 106 international kits == 5.8 % (basic ISO support in base kit)
Carbon sold 2355 alpha kits and 116+16 NORDEUK kits == 5.6 % (a single international+ISO kit)
Nautilus has sold 679 base sets and 39 Nordic sets == 5.8 % (basic ISO support in base kit)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 04 July 2017, 03:42:22
I guess that's a total for all sets purchased, so not just base sets
Correct, the live total is every kit. The price table graphic is updated every 24-72 hrs:
(Attachment Link)Is this the most successful as of now?
Pretty sure /dev/tty, Carbon and Yuri got very large sales on the first day, but it's to be expected, early rush before the sales slow right down, then a spike toward then end.
Yuri's sales were split because there was an Asian proxy, anyone know if there are any proxies operating for this buy or is it all Massdrop for Nautilus?
It's up on Tao-Bao ya.
Post by: Auk on Tue, 04 July 2017, 04:14:10
It's up on Tao-Bao ya.
So Nautilus may doing even better than it looks just based on the current sales.
percentage of nordic/international kits sold
Yuri is the one we're most interested in for similar price GMK sets running a few weeks apart.
The final tally for Yuri (which wasn't updated after the update ~6 hrs from the end) shows 935 base kits and only 40 international, although we do know it all tipped and there were extra sales allowed after the official drop end (to give extra time for the K-Type drop buyers who wanted both.)
Post by: Konjungamo on Tue, 04 July 2017, 04:19:27
The final tally for Yuri (which wasn't updated after the update ~6 hrs from the end) shows 935 base kits and only 40 international, although we do know it all tipped and there were extra sales allowed after the official drop end (to extra time fore the K-Type drop buyers who wanted both.)
Damn, I didn't know Yuri's international kit finished that low. Good to see they still pushed it through!
That obviously doesn't guarantee the same will happen here, but I think we're in a good spot with the decent order amount and lower overall cost of the kit :)
Post by: FSund on Tue, 04 July 2017, 05:11:09
percentage of nordic/international kits sold
Yuri is the one we're most interested in for similar price GMK sets running a few weeks apart.
The final tally for Yuri (which wasn't updated after the update ~6 hrs from the end) shows 935 base kits and only 40 international, although we do know it all tipped and there were extra sales allowed after the official drop end (to give extra time for the K-Type drop buyers who wanted both.)
40 international kits and 935 base kits gives 4.3 % international kits, which I would say is almost within the margin of error of the observations from the other sets. But definitely lower than the others.
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 04 July 2017, 05:18:22
Post by: pon10 on Tue, 04 July 2017, 05:26:30
Forty NorDe kits on the first day, no matter what the percentage is, is a good start to me.
+1 !!
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 04 July 2017, 06:36:51
Forty NorDe kits on the first day, no matter what the percentage is, is a good start to me.
Yes it is, and I'm very surprised on how strong this kit is going on the first day specially when NORDE kits have usually rough starts. Let's see how the kit does over the next couple days. :thumb:
Post by: Auk on Tue, 04 July 2017, 07:00:30
Anyway the Norde kit is doing nicely, though there is a little grumbling about the row one ^ key with ° that is not in the kit.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 04 July 2017, 07:18:11
I see some of the discussion on Massdrop has become monumentally stupid, drama and petty attacks over nothing :rolleyes:
Anyway the Norde kit is doing nicely, though there is a little grumbling about the row one ^ key with ° that is not in the kit.
Hang on a little bit on that kit, some small tweaks might be done.
Post by: Auk on Tue, 04 July 2017, 07:22:21
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 04 July 2017, 07:26:37
not sure you should say that publicly, you're going to get bombarded with requests for every key possible now :))
The only key that would be added would be the one you have mentioned: ^ °
Post by: Auk on Tue, 04 July 2017, 07:56:40
The only key that would be added would be the one you have mentioned: ^ °
I was going to suggest trying to squeeze a single 1U blank or 1U novelty into the base kit - I thought a 1U novelty might be better because there are none in the novelty pack, and it's always a popular option for all users to have the Esc key replaced with a novelty,
However the actual key people are asking for in the Norde kit would certainly be better. Germany only benefit from this tweak to the kit?
Post by: avid on Tue, 04 July 2017, 08:00:05
Forty NorDe kits on the first day, no matter what the percentage is, is a good start to me.
Yes it is, and I'm very surprised on how strong this kit is going on the first day specially when NORDE kits have usually rough starts. Let's see how the kit does over the next couple days. :thumb:
The price is very attractive on it and i think its very well balanced in terms of size. Im a norde user, but dont really care to pay extra for the scandinavian letters, but rather for the blue ISO enter. The others are just a bonus.
Post by: dblack on Tue, 04 July 2017, 15:57:33
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 05 July 2017, 00:39:30
But the wait is worth it... Right? Right?!?
For GMK, it's the Wait that always makes you excited for the brilliant results, which they never fail in producing.
This is the difference between waiting for cheapo sh1te from Tai-Hao or some chinese knock-offs, bought over Flebay. It can never compare to the quality and excellence in Cherry Profiled key-caps done correctly.
ALL of GMKs key-sets fit every keyboard made on Earth, simply because they have been doing it for a very long time using decent machinery (plastic injection).
Post by: OneNightFriend on Wed, 05 July 2017, 00:45:05
As someone with two sets of gmk mixed on my home keyboard, I totally agree. Was just joking around :)But the wait is worth it... Right? Right?!?
For GMK, it's the Wait that always makes you excited for the brilliant results, which they never fail in producing.
This is the difference between waiting for cheapo sh1te from Tai-Hao or some chinese knock-offs, bought over Flebay. It can never compare to the quality and excellence in Cherry Profiled key-caps done correctly.
ALL of GMKs key-sets fit every keyboard made on Earth, simply because they have been doing it for a very long time using decent machinery (plastic injection).
Post by: pomk on Wed, 05 July 2017, 02:37:41
Zambumon - the eater of words.not sure you should say that publicly, you're going to get bombarded with requests for every key possible now :))
The only key that would be added would be the one you have mentioned: ^ °
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-nautilus-custom-keycap-set/talk/1741381
Anyway, while you are at it, please consider adding support for some nordic languages to the NORde kit as well. Nordic countries are like 60% of NOR_DE anyway. :))
Regarding the confusion about the norde kit in the discussion over massdrop, maybe adding some disclaimer about the norde kit content on the main page could help. I know that the keys are very much visible, but people are used to having full norde support in norde sets and thus some note about this not being the case is something to consider.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 05 July 2017, 03:56:55
The only key that would be added would be the one you have mentioned: ^ °
I was going to suggest trying to squeeze a single 1U blank or 1U novelty into the base kit - I thought a 1U novelty might be better because there are none in the novelty pack, and it's always a popular option for all users to have the Esc key replaced with a novelty,
However the actual key people are asking for in the Norde kit would certainly be better. Germany only benefit from this tweak to the kit?
As an ISO user I feel that every kit should include a single R1 blank key for the annoying key next to 1, that is different is every layout and just annoys everyone.
Post by: avid on Wed, 05 July 2017, 04:04:06
The only key that would be added would be the one you have mentioned: ^ °
I was going to suggest trying to squeeze a single 1U blank or 1U novelty into the base kit - I thought a 1U novelty might be better because there are none in the novelty pack, and it's always a popular option for all users to have the Esc key replaced with a novelty,
However the actual key people are asking for in the Norde kit would certainly be better. Germany only benefit from this tweak to the kit?
As an ISO user I feel that every kit should include a single R1 blank key for the annoying key next to 1, that is different is every layout and just annoys everyone.
A blank key next to "1" would just look weird and out of place.
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 05 July 2017, 04:08:37
I agree, any key or a blank are the same if they don't match your keyboard layout, but at least a key with legends would match the colour scheme better.As an ISO user I feel that every kit should include a single R1 blank key for the annoying key next to 1, that is different is every layout and just annoys everyone.
A blank key next to "1" would just look weird and out of place.
Post by: ctrl on Wed, 05 July 2017, 04:37:31
Zambumon - the eater of words.not sure you should say that publicly, you're going to get bombarded with requests for every key possible now :))
The only key that would be added would be the one you have mentioned: ^ °
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-nautilus-custom-keycap-set/talk/1741381
Anyway, while you are at it, please consider adding support for some nordic languages to the NORde kit as well. Nordic countries are like 60% of NOR_DE anyway. :))
Regarding the confusion about the norde kit in the discussion over massdrop, maybe adding some disclaimer about the norde kit content on the main page could help. I know that the keys are very much visible, but people are used to having full norde support in norde sets and thus some note about this not being the case is something to consider.
Second that. I'm using Swedish ISO for the layout, but in this case I'll go for a 60% so I won't lament the passing of the §˝ key. Had I been going for a 75%/TKL/full size build, I would probably have thought once or twice about what layout to use so a disclaimer would've been helpful in that case.
Also, on Swedish layouts, the extra symbol on R1 4 is actually the currency symbol ¤. $ is accessed with AltGr. Always thought this weird. It feels like ¤ is a fragment from a time long ago (it's a replacement symbol for when you can't type the correct currency cymbol, if I understand it correctly - I've never used it). It was used in BASIC on the ancient ABC80, a Swedish computer manufactured between the 70s and 80s. Removing it and replacing it with $ feels like a rational decision. :thumb:
A suggestion, and a question, though. I noticed that there are in total five keys to cover Nordic layouts. I don't know if it's possible with the printing technique used by GMK, but these are usually rationalized down to only three keys on Scandinavian keyboards: R3 ÄĆŘ and ÖŘĆ (Swedish and Norwegian layouts use the same placement of the keys, but Danish switch them). If it's possible to print the keys with three characters on the same key, two keys could be "saved" and perhaps used for other missing keys? (As a reference, have a look at the Nordic layout of the Vortex Pok3r RGB here: https://www.maxgaming.se/gaming-tangentbord/pok3r-rgb-mechanical-keyboard-mx-brown (https://www.maxgaming.se/gaming-tangentbord/pok3r-rgb-mechanical-keyboard-mx-brown))
Perhaps this has been discussed elsewhere, if so, I apologize for bringing it up again.
Post by: avid on Wed, 05 July 2017, 09:26:38
Zambumon - the eater of words.not sure you should say that publicly, you're going to get bombarded with requests for every key possible now :))
The only key that would be added would be the one you have mentioned: ^ °
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-nautilus-custom-keycap-set/talk/1741381
Anyway, while you are at it, please consider adding support for some nordic languages to the NORde kit as well. Nordic countries are like 60% of NOR_DE anyway. :))
Regarding the confusion about the norde kit in the discussion over massdrop, maybe adding some disclaimer about the norde kit content on the main page could help. I know that the keys are very much visible, but people are used to having full norde support in norde sets and thus some note about this not being the case is something to consider.
Second that. I'm using Swedish ISO for the layout, but in this case I'll go for a 60% so I won't lament the passing of the §˝ key. Had I been going for a 75%/TKL/full size build, I would probably have thought once or twice about what layout to use so a disclaimer would've been helpful in that case.
Also, on Swedish layouts, the extra symbol on R1 4 is actually the currency symbol ¤. $ is accessed with AltGr. Always thought this weird. It feels like ¤ is a fragment from a time long ago (it's a replacement symbol for when you can't type the correct currency cymbol, if I understand it correctly - I've never used it). It was used in BASIC on the ancient ABC80, a Swedish computer manufactured between the 70s and 80s. Removing it and replacing it with $ feels like a rational decision. :thumb:
A suggestion, and a question, though. I noticed that there are in total five keys to cover Nordic layouts. I don't know if it's possible with the printing technique used by GMK, but these are usually rationalized down to only three keys on Scandinavian keyboards: R3 ÄĆŘ and ÖŘĆ (Swedish and Norwegian layouts use the same placement of the keys, but Danish switch them). If it's possible to print the keys with three characters on the same key, two keys could be "saved" and perhaps used for other missing keys? (As a reference, have a look at the Nordic layout of the Vortex Pok3r RGB here: https://www.maxgaming.se/gaming-tangentbord/pok3r-rgb-mechanical-keyboard-mx-brown (https://www.maxgaming.se/gaming-tangentbord/pok3r-rgb-mechanical-keyboard-mx-brown))
Perhaps this has been discussed elsewhere, if so, I apologize for bringing it up again.
really dislike that idea. Having plenty of the nordic characters on the same key looks like ****.
Post by: FSund on Thu, 06 July 2017, 03:30:04
Post by: Auk on Thu, 06 July 2017, 04:01:08
Post by: rioc on Thu, 06 July 2017, 04:49:38
Will the child kits be produced even if they don't meet 100 orders? Mainly thinking about the Norde kit.
usually if any of the kits go near 75% of MoQ, MD just buys the rest as spares for RMA and so on, so the kits do get produced
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 06 July 2017, 04:53:02
Will the child kits be produced even if they don't meet 100 orders? Mainly thinking about the Norde kit.
I have no need of a Norde kit. Ordered one for solidarity. If nothing else I can use it to confuse my coworkers who can't touch type.
Post by: rioc on Thu, 06 July 2017, 04:56:33
Will the child kits be produced even if they don't meet 100 orders? Mainly thinking about the Norde kit.
I have no need of a Norde kit. Ordered one for solidarity. If nothing else I can use it to confuse my coworkers who can't touch type.
that's a very nice gesture... both the ordering of a kit you don't need, as well as the confusion of coworkers part :p
Post by: FSund on Thu, 06 July 2017, 06:13:11
Will the child kits be produced even if they don't meet 100 orders? Mainly thinking about the Norde kit.
I have no need of a Norde kit. Ordered one for solidarity. If nothing else I can use it to confuse my coworkers who can't touch type.
Nice!
Make no mistake, I have ordered the Norde kit, but if that won't be produced I think I'll have to cancel the whole order.
We're at 50 Norde kits already, so we'll probably creep close to 100 by the end.
Post by: Zero2Cool on Thu, 06 July 2017, 09:26:45
edit: the Nautilus Keycap Set is really nice !
Post by: yokken on Thu, 06 July 2017, 09:32:44
Post by: Konjungamo on Thu, 06 July 2017, 09:36:30
I miss the ^° in the norde kit and i don't want to buy the community kit for one other R1 cap.Zambumon said, that the ^° key is coming to the Norde set!
edit: the Nautilus Keycap Set is really nice !
Post by: Zero2Cool on Thu, 06 July 2017, 09:41:21
I miss the ^° in the norde kit and i don't want to buy the community kit for one other R1 cap.Zambumon said, that the ^° key is coming to the Norde set!
edit: the Nautilus Keycap Set is really nice !
that would be great !!!
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 06 July 2017, 12:08:38
Dang this thread has been busy. I just noticed that the base kit (nor any of the kits) doesn't come with barred F and J keys, which is a huge bummer considering the base kit comes with a lot of arguably less useful/more niche keys. I guess I will just have to live with it, but I thought a lot of people liked barred F and J. Not too many scoop fans. And this is coming from a person who can type without looking with no problem, but re-centers their hands by using the bars. The scoops just aren't deep enough to be easily found without spending a considerable amount of time "feeling" the key to figure out if it's the right one, in my opinion. That's the only thing missing from an otherwise legendary set. I will just have to live with it.
Scoops are life.
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Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 06 July 2017, 16:15:33
Post by: Konjungamo on Thu, 06 July 2017, 16:31:39
Barred f and j are pretty standard nowadays. Don't know why they are not in the set.
Yep, this has been discussed before, no real comment from Zambumon, apparently the kits are locked down :(
Post by: Auk on Thu, 06 July 2017, 17:10:46
If you put the F & J bars in what will you cut instead? UK support? The UK buyers won't pay for International kits if you do that. What if you cut a couple of the extra sizes of Alt or Fn? Now you lose some layout support.. There is no way to have everything unless you increase the price.
You can go around in circles forever trying to do better. In hindsight I think maybe the only change I would've made to the base kit would be to sacrifice one of the vertical numpad enter key colors in favor of having both ISO enter colors, and that change is arguable since ANSI is still the bigger market.
Post by: Arallu on Thu, 06 July 2017, 22:45:06
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 06 July 2017, 23:43:25
Cutting prices in addition to the huge exposure massdrop brings in tow with the volume discounts seems a little overkill, but it is what it is.
Five to six years ago getting anything made by GMK was extremely difficult and only a tiny handful of people here on GH had the ability to start and run a group buy for them but they wanted a very distinct number of customers to buy in first before GMK would even warm up their facilities to run the order.
Now with MassDrop GMK gets a very comfortable order number coming through and they know that via MD they get far more interest than by any other means. So either like or hate MassDrop they actually made buying and owning any type of GMK key-sets far easier.
The trick now is to convince them of certain special keys requirement for certain countries and regions within the EU.
Post by: MMjacksN on Sun, 09 July 2017, 08:37:07
(http://i.imgur.com/DmoUU5c.png)
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:28:26
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.
The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.
So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.
Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.
I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.
I'm really excited, and we're almost there.
Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----
Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.
I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.
Any chances of this key being added to the Norde kit?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmoUU5c.png)
The ^ one was added exceptionally as GMK offered it with no additional charge. Additional keys would suposse a change on the kit's price.
Now the cool stuff:
Base kit's 1500 unit price point has been added: $99.99
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:50:53
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:52:09
Base kit's 1500 unit price point has been added: $99.99Sooner or later we'll need a quote for 2.000 sets.
Post by: RealLaugh on Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:52:14
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.
The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.
So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.
Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.
I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.
I'm really excited, and we're almost there.
Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----
Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.
I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.Any chances of this key being added to the Norde kit?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DmoUU5c.png)
The ^ one was added exceptionally as GMK offered it with no additional charge. Additional keys would suposse a change on the kit's price.
Now the cool stuff:
Base kit's 1500 unit price point has been added: $99.99
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:09:17
can we get an update on the numbers, zambu? md seems to lag by a day or two..
Numbers were updated both on Sunday and today…
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:24:51
Post by: xondat on Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:27:20
Base kit's 1500 unit price point has been added: $99.99Sooner or later we'll need a quote for 2.000 sets.
Maybe if a colourway runs for its second/third time as GMK (like Carbon). GMK Carbon did 1956 (what was Plum?) and I doubt that'd be possible without the SA set that happened before.
Getting close though.
Post by: Petch on Tue, 11 July 2017, 17:21:40
Post by: chuckdee on Tue, 11 July 2017, 17:29:54
Do people really prefer scooped over barred f/j???
Yes. :p
Post by: Konjungamo on Tue, 11 July 2017, 17:32:07
Do people really prefer scooped over barred f/j???
I was surprised as well, but it seems to be the designer's choice unfortunately :/
Post by: TerryMathews on Tue, 11 July 2017, 17:41:46
Do people really prefer scooped over barred f/j???
I do
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 11 July 2017, 18:37:09
But I do like the ePBT sets that have scooped + bar
Post by: Blazestorm on Tue, 11 July 2017, 19:35:56
I'm fine either way, just don't change the location like AEK caps did...
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 12 July 2017, 03:34:17
Do people really prefer scooped over barred f/j???
I don't, but some do. I know it's up to the designer but I fully support every set offering both scoops and bars
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 12 July 2017, 04:05:03
I never used scooped until GMK, but I've gotten used to it. I thought I would have hated it, but it's kind of nice.I had the very same experience, now I like dished keys much better than barred ones.
Post by: FloFoer94 on Wed, 12 July 2017, 04:06:18
22-150 € => Only 19% "Einfuhrumsatzsteuer"
> 150 € => Plus "Zoll" .. What percentage is that for keycaps?
Post by: Auk on Wed, 12 July 2017, 04:20:01
how much would i have to pay at german customs?
Not German, but for the EU you calculate: price you paid of item itself + duty (zoll?) according to TARIC. Add together item price with duty applied + shipping cost, then add sales tax (MwSt, VAT etc.) on top, and yes the sales tax is compound on top of duty.
You may expect a customs processing fee, but for Germans it is usually zero or a nominal fee, since for the time being international law is followed and courier agents are not able to charge extra fees to customers just because they feel like grabbing an extra profit from your item.
Fortunately the duty on computer parts and accessories is zero. For Germans 19% sales tax, so it's easy and you just need total price paid at Massdrop checkout × 1.19, plus maybe a few € processing fee.
Post by: Draic on Wed, 12 July 2017, 06:19:35
Another german here that could answer my question? If i would buy this, how much would i have to pay at german customs? I know:
22-150 € => Only 19% "Einfuhrumsatzsteuer"
> 150 € => Plus "Zoll" .. What percentage is that for keycaps?
There are no extra Zoll fees for keycaps or other keyboard components for that matter. Imported quite a lot keyboard related stuff already and always only had to pay the Einfuhrumsatzersatzsteuer (19%).
And Einfuhrumsatzersatzsteuer begins at 25€, while the Zoll is up from 125€. Both are always including your shipping costs
Post by: FloFoer94 on Wed, 12 July 2017, 06:58:59
Now i must think about if i should throw all my money that's left after amazon prime day at this ;D
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 12 July 2017, 15:25:01
... Einfuhrumsatzersatzsteuer ...
What a mouthful!
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Wed, 12 July 2017, 18:24:21
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Post by: simonyunhe on Wed, 12 July 2017, 18:31:08
Anyone know how close we are to the $99 mark?1142/1500 Based on MD.
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Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 12 July 2017, 18:52:58
Post by: FSund on Thu, 13 July 2017, 01:23:21
Anyone know how close we are to the $99 mark?1142/1500 Based on MD.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/739944d1bee5d2f0136dff76240d539a.jpg)
1251 now.
(http://i.imgur.com/l9y4oHy.png)
Very excited to see the Norde set creep upwards!
Post by: Petch on Thu, 13 July 2017, 03:05:04
Will there be an extra scooped J in the vim set in the novelties kit?
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 13 July 2017, 03:26:07
Will there be an extra scooped J in the vim set in the novelties kit?
That is a really good question
Post by: neon_tom on Thu, 13 July 2017, 06:15:28
Guess I'll take the plunge (ha) and get it despite the lack of muh bars
Will there be an extra scooped J in the vim set in the novelties kit?
The vim J in the render on Massdrop appears to be scooped
Post by: avid on Wed, 19 July 2017, 18:52:00
Post by: kmba on Wed, 19 July 2017, 21:42:50
Post by: ideus on Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:07:09
1500+ base kits! Congrats! Is this the highest selling gmk kit ever now? Wish the spacebar kit has another drop point but no biggie.
GMK-MD venture did not do well with extremely large production batches, like the infamous TA set, just hoping that they have learnt their lessons and this order runs smoothly and defect free. It was said that the TA issues were due to a new plastic compound color used, who knows, this set includes custom colors as well.
Post by: kmba on Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:31:26
Post by: TerryMathews on Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:34:50
GMK-MD venture did not do well with extremely large production batches
GMK Carbon was IMO fine.
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 19 July 2017, 23:02:27
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 19 July 2017, 23:27:23
IIRC the biggest problem with GMK TA was that they were shipped in insufficient packaging -- just the old GMK trays in a box. This led to keys coming loose and being scratched. The issues with improper colour mixing were comparatively uncommon, and that would be the real issue about a custom colour
TA was the first GMK trays. Before that, they were shipped in bags. Was also the first set with pantone colors.
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 20 July 2017, 03:09:39
IIRC the biggest problem with GMK TA was that they were shipped in insufficient packaging -- just the old GMK trays in a box. This led to keys coming loose and being scratched. The issues with improper colour mixing were comparatively uncommon, and that would be the real issue about a custom colour
TA was the first GMK trays. Before that, they were shipped in bags. Was also the first set with pantone colors.
I was under the impression the trays had been redesigned since TA, have they not?
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 20 July 2017, 13:27:46
IIRC the biggest problem with GMK TA was that they were shipped in insufficient packaging -- just the old GMK trays in a box. This led to keys coming loose and being scratched. The issues with improper colour mixing were comparatively uncommon, and that would be the real issue about a custom colour
TA was the first GMK trays. Before that, they were shipped in bags. Was also the first set with pantone colors.
I was under the impression the trays had been redesigned since TA, have they not?
Yup they were redesigned quickly after TA. IMO it was pretty impressive how quickly they responded to the criticism.
Post by: litster on Thu, 20 July 2017, 14:38:59
Post by: kmba on Thu, 20 July 2017, 14:49:50
The base kit price has come down enough that I added a novelty kit to my order. I want those 4 yellow arrow keys!!
I was on the fence about novelties too.. but yellow arrows are nice, and I like to use novelties for left control since I use hhkb layout and make caps into control.
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 20 July 2017, 15:09:32
The base kit price has come down enough that I added a novelty kit to my order. I want those 4 yellow arrow keys!!
Good to see I'm not the only one :)
Post by: litster on Thu, 20 July 2017, 17:31:44
Post by: Ball-o-tron on Fri, 21 July 2017, 07:07:32
Post by: Auk on Fri, 21 July 2017, 07:11:27
There have been no updates since Tuesday, so with a few more days to run, the spike at the end, plus Asian proxies to add, Norde may be a lot closer to 100 than any other GMK set so far.
Post by: Ball-o-tron on Fri, 21 July 2017, 07:14:11
Post by: avid on Fri, 21 July 2017, 07:41:05
Post by: Auk on Fri, 21 July 2017, 07:49:37
XDA Canvas did OK, but MT3 /dev/tty did very well (no surprise since it had the best pricing ever for separate UK and NordeES kits)
Post by: kmba on Fri, 21 July 2017, 08:32:31
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 21 July 2017, 16:07:46
Hey they added another space drop. $1 off is $1!
Truer words have never been spoken!
Post by: barcode on Fri, 21 July 2017, 16:42:15
(http://i.imgur.com/GRRX3vO.png)
Post by: Auk on Fri, 21 July 2017, 16:49:38
Good news: it's Zambumon's design and he hopes to make it real.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 22 July 2017, 01:32:14
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/mechcables-nautilus-custom-sleeved-usb-cable
More navy things
Post by: pab on Sun, 23 July 2017, 14:46:28
Oooooooo:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/mechcables-nautilus-custom-sleeved-usb-cable
More navy things
Welp, this will be a must-buy. Probably will get two (one regular USB, one USB-C).
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 23 July 2017, 16:50:46
Bad news: it's just a render and not real.
Good news: it's Zambumon's design and he hopes to make it real.
There's still a long road and the "bad news" is that I want to do some research before even making a prototype. The good news is that I know exactly who I would want to make the board with.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 24 July 2017, 02:43:03
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 24 July 2017, 02:45:59
By the look of my bill, I'd say NorDe made it.
That's not how it works... They would refund you if it doesn't go through. But given this set sold like at least 2x the 40 sets sold in Yuri, and that set went through, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. But you won't know until they submit payment to GMK and THEN process any refunds.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 24 July 2017, 03:04:10
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info.By the look of my bill, I'd say NorDe made it.
That's not how it works... They would refund you if it doesn't go through.
Post by: FSund on Mon, 24 July 2017, 03:22:00
By the look of my bill, I'd say NorDe made it.
That's not how it works... They would refund you if it doesn't go through. But given this set sold like at least 2x the 40 sets sold in Yuri, and that set went through, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. But you won't know until they submit payment to GMK and THEN process any refunds.
Do they just refund the Norde kit, or can I cancel the whole thing in that case? The rest of the set doesn't have any use to me if I don't get the Norde kit.
Post by: Petch on Mon, 24 July 2017, 03:23:47
By the look of my bill, I'd say NorDe made it.
That's not how it works... They would refund you if it doesn't go through. But given this set sold like at least 2x the 40 sets sold in Yuri, and that set went through, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. But you won't know until they submit payment to GMK and THEN process any refunds.
Do they just refund the Norde kit, or can I cancel the whole thing in that case? The rest of the set doesn't have any use to me if I don't get the Norde kit.
I would assume you'd get the option of cancelling your entire order at the very least. But it's massdrop, so who knows ;D
Post by: SBN on Mon, 24 July 2017, 03:42:18
Do you have the final order numbers? I find it kind of annoying, that Massdrop never updates them, when a drop finishes.
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Mon, 24 July 2017, 04:33:26
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 24 July 2017, 04:39:40
Congratulations on the successful group buy Zambumon!
Do you have the final order numbers? I find it kind of annoying, that Massdrop never updates them, when a drop finishes.
We should get the final numbers later today.
Post by: Aox on Mon, 24 July 2017, 15:23:51
Great looking set though, congrats on getting through the order phase, Zambumon.
-Aox
Post by: Dangeel on Tue, 25 July 2017, 06:43:11
Post by: Konjungamo on Tue, 25 July 2017, 06:44:52
I somehow managed to miss the massdrop...
Damn, that sucks, but what were you doing the last three weeks :O
Maybe you'll be able to snag a set in another "Yanbo's closet" sale :)
Post by: My_Thoughts on Tue, 25 July 2017, 08:02:08
I somehow managed to miss the massdrop...
Already 177 requests on Massdrop to run it again!
Post by: rioc on Tue, 25 July 2017, 08:39:28
I somehow managed to miss the massdrop...
Already 177 requests on Massdrop to run it again!
as if that's gonna happen any time soon
also, not that I've got a problem with this set, in the contrary it's bloody beautiful, but I'm not a fan of rerunning stuff and want more diversity (but that's PP ofc)
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 26 July 2017, 17:44:15
I somehow managed to miss the massdrop...
Already 177 requests on Massdrop to run it again!
As if requests on MD actually means anything at all (spoiler: it doesn't)
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 26 July 2017, 21:54:03
I somehow managed to miss the massdrop...
Already 177 requests on Massdrop to run it again!
As if requests on MD actually means anything at all (spoiler: it doesn't)
It does, actually. Just not as much as others think they should. There are several factors from what people at Massdrop have said, and the number of requesters is one of those.
Post by: FSund on Fri, 28 July 2017, 03:37:52
Quote from: Zambumon@Massdrop
NORDE kit reached over 100 orders.
Quote from: Zambumon@Massdrop
Just got a confirmation from GMK & Yanbo: all kits will be manufactured!
Post by: Trousers on Sat, 25 November 2017, 06:57:12
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment/AfYtlDnPQPiUEtF8rw5F_IMG_2046.JPG?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=1300&h=752&dpr=1&q=80)
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sun, 26 November 2017, 22:22:25
I'm getting mildly excited!Holy **** this looks way better than I hopedShow Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment/AfYtlDnPQPiUEtF8rw5F_IMG_2046.JPG?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=1300&h=752&dpr=1&q=80)
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Wed, 29 November 2017, 13:21:22
I'm getting mildly excited!Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment/AfYtlDnPQPiUEtF8rw5F_IMG_2046.JPG?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=1300&h=752&dpr=1&q=80)
Oh I hope this means we're on track for a December ship date!
Post by: zoomwalt on Fri, 01 December 2017, 16:30:57
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3134
Post by: Blazestorm on Fri, 01 December 2017, 18:41:29
Although I thought a lot of those PBT double-shot processes used a different material for the inner shot (POM?)
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 01 December 2017, 18:44:08
One key difference w/ the Ducky is those are double-shot PBT vs. ABS... I think one of the first sets using a new process (from them, Tai-Hao already did PBT double-shot). https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3051
Although I thought a lot of those PBT double-shot processes used a different material for the inner shot (POM?)
most pbt doubleshots are pbt/pom
leopold's are pbt/pbt, but that's all i know of
Post by: Blazestorm on Fri, 01 December 2017, 20:05:03
most pbt doubleshots are pbt/pom
leopold's are pbt/pbt, but that's all i know of
That's the manufacturer I was thinking of, not sure if these Ducky ones are PBT/POM or PBT/PBT. I also don't know if it really matters either...
Post by: TalkingTree on Sat, 09 December 2017, 14:11:40
We are a few days ahead of schedule.
Post by: zoomwalt on Sat, 09 December 2017, 14:33:28
Post by: Petch on Sat, 09 December 2017, 16:01:55
Post by: OfTheWild on Sat, 09 December 2017, 17:03:15
Post by: SpareWalrus on Sat, 09 December 2017, 19:55:01
Nice to see that shipping notification - early for a change as well. Now just waiting for the MiraSE to show up that its going on. :thumb:
I see you have great taste, as I am doing the same thing. Very excited for both!
Post by: OfTheWild on Sat, 09 December 2017, 20:48:24
Nice to see that shipping notification - early for a change as well. Now just waiting for the MiraSE to show up that its going on. :thumb:
I see you have great taste, as I am doing the same thing. Very excited for both!
Blue anodizing?! we're going to be twins'ies
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 09 December 2017, 21:41:29
Nice to see that shipping notification - early for a change as well. Now just waiting for the MiraSE to show up that its going on. :thumb:
I see you have great taste, as I am doing the same thing. Very excited for both!
Blue anodizing?! we're going to be twins'ies
you have blue he has silver
both will be cash af
Post by: ye_cole on Mon, 11 December 2017, 12:30:36
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Post by: Elrick on Mon, 11 December 2017, 18:03:29
Heading down to Convict Town, hubba, hubba 8) .
Post by: tobsn on Wed, 13 December 2017, 05:17:27
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Your Massdrop x Zambumon GMK Nautilus Custom Keycap Set has shipped
Shipped 16 hours ago :)
Post by: BJW on Wed, 13 December 2017, 10:27:26
I just bought base+spacebars and after seeing the real images, I am regretting that I did not buy the novelties :(
Post by: schoolbus on Wed, 13 December 2017, 12:04:11
Is there any way that I can buy novelty kits?
I just bought base+spacebars and after seeing the real images, I am regretting that I did not buy the novelties :(
/r/mechmarket or wait & hope for the next Massdrop random keycap sale that'll probably happen in 2-3 months.
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 20 December 2017, 13:14:48
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 20 December 2017, 13:23:24
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OOh, nice cable/novelty coordination. I was going to comment and say I'd like to see it with the yellow enter, but then I saw that sweet cable. I guess you win the internet for today.
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 20 December 2017, 13:27:20
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 21 December 2017, 19:14:38
Post by: neon_tom on Thu, 21 December 2017, 21:22:21
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Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 21 December 2017, 21:28:04
Got my set today and put it on my AMJ40. Absolutely stunning set of keycaps.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171222/bbc7c4ac71e1627de72d69752ee619f4.jpg)
very nice! I got the space bar kit too. That yellow is pretty amazing.
Post by: gutsack on Fri, 22 December 2017, 12:58:08
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Post by: ideus on Fri, 22 December 2017, 15:43:21
Got Nautilus this week and put it on a new TINA-C build. Love the way the alphas turned out, the colors are perfect.
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Nice board.
Post by: litster on Fri, 22 December 2017, 18:34:30
(https://i.imgur.com/fyED9dk.gif)
Post by: poolside on Sat, 23 December 2017, 04:48:12
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This half-thing is lit :cool:
Post by: DonnyD on Sat, 10 February 2018, 12:23:38
1. R1 1.5U Backspace
2. R2 1U "\ |" key
3. R3 1.75U Enter
4. R4 1.25U Shift
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 10 February 2018, 13:45:19
I want to know about sizes of few keys and/or if they are in base kit:
1. R1 1.5U Backspace
2. R2 1U "\ |" key
3. R3 1.75U Enter
4. R4 1.25U Shift
No, no, no, yes
Post by: cspirou on Fri, 31 May 2019, 13:15:52
Post by: Pieminister on Fri, 31 May 2019, 15:29:38
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 31 May 2019, 17:35:54
Post by: flying1911 on Fri, 31 May 2019, 21:35:07
Yes, that is my intention.
Maybe too soon to ask, but in which form will it come back?
Someone told me that you never run the same design in the same profile twice, so will you consider SA for the 2020 run? I know there's a few SA Nautilus out there already, but that was more like an experimental and grounded project.
Post by: Darknight00z on Sat, 01 June 2019, 00:21:06
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 01 June 2019, 04:01:28
Yes, that is my intention.
Maybe too soon to ask, but in which form will it come back?
Someone told me that you never run the same design in the same profile twice, so will you consider SA for the 2020 run? I know there's a few SA Nautilus out there already, but that was more like an experimental and grounded project.
It won't come back in SA profile. It will be a proper GMK run with Core, extension, and novelties kits.