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does cherry mx silent red more smoother than cherry mx red?

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polyurethane:
planning to buy leopold kb my option either mx red or silent red
which one more smoother? I've read that MX Red is known more scratchy when compared to other mx switch like blue or brown but how about silent red? and i also read that the silent read are pretty mushy and feel like membrane keyboard is it true?

TIA

tp4tissue:
it smooths out over time.  But it will never be as smooth as MX-Blue.

polyurethane:
interesting..i thought mx red much more smoother than mx blue and brown

tp4tissue:

--- Quote from: polyurethane on Fri, 02 April 2021, 23:28:32 ---interesting..i thought mx red much more smoother than mx blue and brown

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MX blue is the smoothest, because the inner shaft doesn't bunch against the leaf spring. The white slider moves itself out of the way,  and the inner blue shaft is much smaller and only rubs against the white shaft slightly.

Take a BIG comforter, put the mxblue/ mxred keyboard under it, wear earplugs.  You'll notice that the blue is significantly smoother than the red.  The sound can be deceiving.

The way we perceive smoothness is through the vibration sensors in our fingers.  So a strong impulse in tactile feedback + click noise makes us perceive the travel as having a hitch, but in reality mx BLUE is smoother for a longer duration of the travel than the mx RED where the leaf spring is always rubbing against the central stem.

Maledicted:

--- Quote from: polyurethane on Fri, 02 April 2021, 23:08:28 ---planning to buy leopold kb my option either mx red or silent red
which one more smoother? I've read that MX Red is known more scratchy when compared to other mx switch like blue or brown but how about silent red? and i also read that the silent read are pretty mushy and feel like membrane keyboard is it true?

TIA

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I have read, and experienced at least in the examples I have in both a tester and a board, that the silent variant is smoother. This may really only come down to the fact that silent red is a relatively new offering from Cherry, so the tooling used was fresh. The older one in my tester was significantly smoother to my senses but I also have a board that's probably a little newer and the difference between it and standard reds I have in other boards is much smaller ... but I have also mostly compared it against a K70 I have been using heavily for the last 7 or so years, so wear over that time must have smoothed them out. Even then, without modification, nothing MX is particularly smooth.

They do feel mushy. They don't feel like rubber domes though, since rubber domes are really more of a tactile switch due to the buckling action of the dome. Imagine the overall feel of a rubber dome but totally linear with only the feel of bottoming out. Even a cheap rubber dome is often smoother than MX too though. lol


--- Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 03 April 2021, 07:16:57 ---
--- Quote from: polyurethane on Fri, 02 April 2021, 23:28:32 ---interesting..i thought mx red much more smoother than mx blue and brown

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MX blue is the smoothest, because the inner shaft doesn't bunch against the leaf spring. The white slider moves itself out of the way,  and the inner blue shaft is much smaller and only rubs against the white shaft slightly.

Take a BIG comforter, put the mxblue/ mxred keyboard under it, wear earplugs.  You'll notice that the blue is significantly smoother than the red.  The sound can be deceiving.
The way we perceive smoothness is through the vibration sensors in our fingers.  So a strong impulse in tactile feedback + click noise makes us perceive the travel as having a hitch, but in reality mx BLUE is smoother for a longer duration of the travel than the mx RED where the leaf spring is always rubbing against the central stem.

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I think perceiving scratchiness to begin with is also harder with clicky switches as well, because of the tactile event. You can push linears straight down gradually and feel for any grit throughout the entirety of travel. With clickies, you've got a lot more going on to occupy your senses during the tactile event. I wonder how much of that accounts for the seemingly stark difference to me between MX brown/sand and MX clear, since the latter has a perceptible tactile bump ... and feels much smoother.

I still like MX red more than MX blue these days, even though I'm a clicky guy. Linears lend themselves well to being acceptable in spite of overall mediocrity.

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