[IC] S66 \\ NEW PROTOS! YAY

[sartori24]

S66
Designed by sartori.works
NEW COLOUR POLL, PLEASE FILL OUT
https://forms.gle/yZ3Qktn8xpYt7QhdA
Inspiration
The S66 is a new take on the 660 layout, with the arrows as a separated cluster.
For me, the 660 layout is one of my favorites and the separated
arrows make accessing them slightly easier.
Please fill out the IC form here: https://forms.gle/UnQA5nDvM2HkEM7M7

Features
The S66 has a top and bottom fully CNC machined out of 6063 aluminium for superior build quality.
A massive brass internal weight, spanning the entire board, allows extra density for the best possible sound quality and resonance, while at the same time adding a bit of extra heft.
 By default the S66 will have an included aluminium plate, or you can make an upgrade to brass. It has the ability to be burger mounted as well, with the included O rings. The plate only screws in at 4 points in the topcase, allowing for more flex and a slightly softer typing feel. The PCB, designed by jtallbean, features a centered USB-C port as well as VIA compatibility (from sillyworld) and ESD protection. In the GB, you will be able to upgrade to case foam for a new sound signature and a carrying case to protect the board.

Specifications
6063 aluminium top and bottom case
Color options for case: New color poll soon!
5 degree typing angle
Aluminium 1.5mm plate, or 1.5mm brass
Plate file made public after GB
Top or burger mount with 4 mounting points
Internal brass weight
USB-C, QMK, ESD protection
Price: $385-425 depending on config
GB Units: 40 GB units, extras after
Supported Layouts

Prototype
New prototype photos!:

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Here are some old prototype images and a sound test.

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More renders!

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Anything Else?
This is my first IC and I would love your feedback on it.
If you have any issues, problems or questions please don't hesitate to contact me at sartori24#1984 on discord.
Thanks again for reading!

[Vireca]

Would be nice if the PCB support a standard bottom row too for a 6.25 spacebar.

[sartori24]

Would be nice if the PCB support a standard bottom row too for a 6.25 spacebar.

I can't do a fully standard bottom row with all 1.25u keys, but I can do 3x1.25u, 1x6.25u, 2x1.5u.
Thanks for the feedback!

[002_GT]

any pictures of the plate avail?

[sartori24]

any pictures of the plate avail?

I will update some renders of the plate ASAP! Just keep in mind I might slightly change it as time goes on - adding flex cuts or possible a half plate.

[Mcnos]

If I weren't already in the other 66 GB I'd be interested

[Kinesiologist]

would love to get a better look at the brass weight design but so far so good.

please consider adding these on the PCB:

- QMK support
- ESD Protection
- USB-C connector

IC form submitted.

[konstantin]

I can't do a fully standard bottom row with all 1.25u keys, but I can do 3x1.25u, 1x6.25u, 2x1.5u.

This is a standard bottom row for 65%, 75%, 1800/CP and 96-key boards (anything with a 1.75u RShift and arrow keys). A winkey bottom row option like this would be nice to have.


In my eyes, this is more of a 65% board than a true 66-key.

[dededecline]

Split space compatibility?

[zoo]

The renders look early. Would like to see more renders of details like USB port shape and weight design. There’s an opportunity to make a sartorial-themed board here.

[djmantis]

I like it. I think this mounting style is generally referred to as "burger mount".

[sartori24]

Split space compatibility?

I'm open to doing that. By split space what would your preferred configuration be?

would love to get a better look at the brass weight design but so far so good.

please consider adding these on the PCB:

- QMK support
- ESD Protection
- USB-C connector

IC form submitted.

The PCB is still in the designing phase, but it will be USB-C. It will have QMK or VIA. As for ESD protection, I am contemplating using a daughterboard. Either way there should still be some form of ESD protection.

The renders look early. Would like to see more renders of details like USB port shape and weight design. There’s an opportunity to make a sartorial-themed board here.

Yes, sadly, the renders are quite early. I will update with new renders once I get them done.

I like it. I think this mounting style is generally referred to as "burger mount".

Updated

[Solus]

Design looks good. 

Hope you don't get death threats like that one poor guy for not having more complete renders/details. Would you also consider polycarbonate as a plate material?

[sartori24]

Design looks good. 

Hope you don't get death threats like that one poor guy for not having more complete renders/details. Would you also consider polycarbonate as a plate material?

Adding a polycarb plate should be fine. I'll update the IC now. As for the death threats... that is concerning 

[sartori24]

If I weren't already in the other 66 GB I'd be interested

That's a pity.

[Scottw]

I am definitely interested (and love the default layout) .

Listen to the feedback, but build the board you desire. There will be enough people to make this reality if you stick to the basics and do not try to please everyone.

Good luck.

[KMPLSV]

Design looks good. 

Hope you don't get death threats like that one poor guy for not having more complete renders/details. Would you also consider polycarbonate as a plate material?

wait, what?

[Solus]

Design looks good. 

Hope you don't get death threats like that one poor guy for not having more complete renders/details. Would you also consider polycarbonate as a plate material?

wait, what?

Someone made an IC for a board that had rough renders; lack of usb cutout, screws, some design flaws. There were a bunch of new accounts that weren't offering criticism beyond "looks like ****" and insulting the designer. He ended up taking down the IC because of death threats being sent.

[sartori24]

Design looks good. 

Hope you don't get death threats like that one poor guy for not having more complete renders/details. Would you also consider polycarbonate as a plate material?

wait, what?

Someone made an IC for a board that had rough renders; lack of usb cutout, screws, some design flaws. There were a bunch of new accounts that weren't offering criticism beyond "looks like ****" and insulting the designer. He ended up taking down the IC because of death threats being sent.

It turns out that it was a person who I knew from discord. What a turn of events!

[thornkin]

Carbon fiber plate?

[sartori24]

Carbon fiber plate?

I will add this to the IC form. If there is enough interest I will.

[VXQN]

Really classy, well proportioned design. Nice low angle too; will be following this closely!

[-Jerry-]

Nice simple and classy, though the seam looks quite prominent in the top render, not sure about that.

Still, I look forward to seeing more renders as I'm a sucker for that separated arrows and pair of function keys design.

[sartori24]

Nice simple and classy, though the seam looks quite prominent in the top render, not sure about that.

Still, I look forward to seeing more renders as I'm a sucker for that separated arrows and pair of function keys design.

Thanks for the kind words! I am talking with a manufacturer about making it cheaper to get produced. This might result in some changes (mainly the top case becoming taller and the bottom case becoming shorter - the whole thing will still be the same height, just slightly different proportions)
Ill update with more renders soon though!

[jack47]

Nice, hope to get a hotswap option

[sartori24]

Nice, hope to get a hotswap option

Hopefully should be able to!

[cadrev]

Any chance for an engraving or something on the empty space on the right?

[sartori24]

Any chance for an engraving or something on the empty space on the right?

Tell me what you would like in the IC form please!

[T_LEMON_56]

Very nice. GLWIC!

[ephemeral25]

First of all good luck for your first IC.

This is my opinion:

-6061 aluminium is bad espacially at this price point, you should aim at 6063.
-The design is really sleek I love it
-Plate choices is nice but not necessary ( You could decrease the choice and make the plate file public after the fulfilment)
-ISO support is nice
-Foam should be an option

[sartori24]

First of all good luck for your first IC.

This is my opinion:

-6061 aluminium is bad espacially at this price point, you should aim at 6063.
-The design is really sleek I love it
-Plate choices is nice but not necessary ( You could decrease the choice and make the plate file public after the fulfilment)
-ISO support is nice
-Foam should be an option

Hey, thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate it! I am glad you like the design. Those plate choices are just for now in the IC, to gauge what people want and I will most likely offer only the 2/3 most popular (same with finishes). I may make the plate file public after the GB is over. Foam most likely will be an option in the GB. As for the aluminium - I am in touch with manufacturers to see what they think is best. Keep in mind that "under $500" is a very early estimate. I think that there is a high chance that it is going to be closer to $400 than 500. I just do not want to underestimate costs and leave a bit of room for things like QC and such.

[ever9415]

The current Lander is great and wants no more change.
If the price is $400 to $450, I will definitely participate.

[ever9415]

But I hope the user can choose the bottom layout.
I suggest the layout of the picture below.

[Klyback]

IC form submitted.

The picture you have on top of the IC form is cool. 

[nasp]

I'd love to see more color options. I have enough grey, silver, black, and blue boards. Perhaps red, purple, yellow, or green option?

[sartori24]

I'd love to see more color options. I have enough grey, silver, black, and blue boards. Perhaps red, purple, yellow, or green option?

I'd be happy to add more color options but keep in mind that each color option will need to hit MOQ.

[catsaresilly25]

Looks nice. Will the pcb have ESD protection?

[sartori24]

Looks nice. Will the pcb have ESD protection?

Currently the prototype one doesn't. If there is a need for it it will be implemented.

[audax989]

First of all good luck for your first IC.

This is my opinion:

-6061 aluminium is bad espacially at this price point, you should aim at 6063.
-The design is really sleek I love it
-Plate choices is nice but not necessary ( You could decrease the choice and make the plate file public after the fulfilment)
-ISO support is nice
-Foam should be an option

I honestly can’t tell the difference between the 606X versions and should not be a factor as you will most like not be able to tell either. More expensive aluminum will not equal a better board. I’ve read somewhere 6063 has problems with anodization so yeah. If OP hasn’t shared what quality alu he’ll use you wouldn’t have brought it up. Just my two cents.

[sartori24]

First of all good luck for your first IC.

This is my opinion:

-6061 aluminium is bad espacially at this price point, you should aim at 6063.
-The design is really sleek I love it
-Plate choices is nice but not necessary ( You could decrease the choice and make the plate file public after the fulfilment)
-ISO support is nice
-Foam should be an option

I honestly can’t tell the difference between the 606X versions and should not be a factor as you will most like not be able to tell either. More expensive aluminum will not equal a better board. I’ve read somewhere 6063 has problems with anodization so yeah. If OP hasn’t shared what quality alu he’ll use you wouldn’t have brought it up. Just my two cents.

The price difference between the two grades is negligible. I will go with 6063 as I personally have heard of better experiences with it, but like you said, the physical difference will probably be very small too.

[sartori24]

PROTO UPDATE
I am updating this just to let you all know the prototypes have been finished! They are being shipped to me right now.

[the1q]

I really like how clean this is. So superficial BS. However I really want a hot swap version. Additionally as primarily a Mac user, I need 3 keys left of the spacebar (control, option, command). My muscle memory can't do without all three keys.

[FootFingers]

Project is shaping up nicely - good job! looking forward to whats next

[sartori24]

I really like how clean this is. So superficial BS. However I really want a hot swap version. Additionally as primarily a Mac user, I need 3 keys left of the spacebar (control, option, command). My muscle memory can't do without all three keys.

I'm glad you like the design. I most likely wont offer hotswap, as the demand isn't really enough, there is still a slim chance though. As for the layout, I will make the plate/pcb files public after GB, so you can edit the layout as much as you like.

[sartori24]

Looks nice. Will the pcb have ESD protection?

My mistake! It does in fact ESD protection, sorry for the false info.

[sartori24]

Hi everyone, I am updating to just let you all know that the prototype has arrived, excluding the PCBs. It turned out really well and I can't wait until the pcb arrives.

[sartori24]

New Update!
Still waiting on PCB, situation explained in my discord. I have ordered more plates (alu and SS) so I can test out some more combos for you guys!

[sartori24]

PROTO UPDATE
Both the plates and PCBs have arrived, and I am typing on the s66 right now! I really am enjoying the feel and layout. I will update tomorrow morning with sound tests and photos.
There were a couple improvements that will be made in the final board:
1) The USB cutout will be bigger, allowing for more flex without damaging the physical port, and allowing for more room if you choose to burger mount it with the included o rings.
2) The spacebar is a little loud, so there will be flex cuts in the final plate around the spacebar.
Both changes have been made as of now, and I am finalizing the details for the GB.
Thanks everyone for the continued support, and I can't wait to get this board out to you guys!

[sartori24]

Hi everyone, I am updating to show this sound test. It is now in the main post aswell.

[nu_types]

looking good!

[sartori24]

Hi everyone, as some of you have noticed I have updated the IC. Please note that these will be the final colour options for GB: Slate (Dark gray/black), Quartz (E-White) and Navy (Navy blue)
The plate options will be Aluminium or a Brass upgrade. Plate files will be made public after, so you can edit them as much as you like.
Any information posted in an update like this will overwrite info in the main post.
Once again thanks for all the support.

[VXQN]

Can barely see the board in the prototype pictures!

[sartori24]

Can barely see the board in the prototype pictures!

Really sorry about that, they were darker than I thought. Taking new photos now!

[sartori24]

Can barely see the board in the prototype pictures!

Fixed.

[cannon-cat]

Hi! I really like this, but there a few things I’d want need to really sell me on it. Ok, first off, I need (want, don’t actually need, but want) a 4.5mm to 5.0mm (brass) plate. Second, would be a like a black PCB mask. Not needed at all, but looks quite cool/nice. Don’t mind that one, it’s just a thing I’d like to see! Next would be considering to increase spots. 30 units + extras is very, very limited for a board, especially for over 10,000 views. I’ll say I understand that it’s hard to work on keyboard designing and GB’ing, that you got this, but I don’t understand. Please disregard my 3rd request if it is too much. Last are just a few things about your prototype! What’s the front end/lip height? What’s the weight of your built proto?

Thanks for reading, I’m off to go fill out your form!

Edit: Should have filled out the form first!

[sartori24]

Hi! I really like this, but there a few things I’d want need to really sell me on it. Ok, first off, I need (want, don’t actually need, but want) a 4.5mm to 5.0mm (brass) plate. Second, would be a like a black PCB mask. Not needed at all, but looks quite cool/nice. Don’t mind that one, it’s just a thing I’d like to see! Next would be considering to increase spots. 30 units + extras is very, very limited for a board, especially for over 10,000 views. I’ll say I understand that it’s hard to work on keyboard designing and GB’ing, that you got this, but I don’t understand. Please disregard my 3rd request if it is too much. Last are just a few things about your prototype! What’s the front end/lip height? What’s the weight of your built proto?

Thanks for reading, I’m off to go fill out your form!

Edit: Should have filled out the form first!

Hey man, thanks for the feedback.
The PCB mask will be black, just not in the protos because it increased production time and cost. I may increase the GB to 40+ extras because then I can color match two colors as well. I am not sure about offering a thick plate in GB, I will make a file for it that I will release, but it is very hard to offer more and more options in GB. The front height is a bit under 18mm, and it is 1.5kg with an aluminium plate. Brass plate will be around 1.6-1.7 or more if you do end up using a 5mm one.

[cannon-cat]

Thanks for the fast response, it was good waking up to this. Good to hear that the extra style will be added to the PCB! Anyways, I completely understand not being able to do the thick brass plate, since not everyone would buy it, making the GB, a "harder". I just came up with this idea: Maybe you could add a "Upgrade to thicker brass weight. From what you said, it sounds like the weight is very large, but from the weight, not as thick as I expected. Unless, of course, your prototype doesn't have the brass weight. Lastly, you could add a "Extra PCB/Plate" option.

Thanks for reading!

[sartori24]

Thanks for the fast response, it was good waking up to this. Good to hear that the extra style will be added to the PCB! Anyways, I completely understand not being able to do the thick brass plate, since not everyone would buy it, making the GB, a "harder". I just came up with this idea: Maybe you could add a "Upgrade to thicker brass weight. From what you said, it sounds like the weight is very large, but from the weight, not as thick as I expected. Unless, of course, your prototype doesn't have the brass weight. Lastly, you could add a "Extra PCB/Plate" option.

Thanks for reading!

There will be an extra pcb/plate option of course. Making the brass weight thicker means that there is less space under the pcb, resulting in the PCB hitting bottomcase if typing with too much force. I know 1.5kg doesn't sound like much, but it isn't a very big board and I can assure you it feels very dense and high quality.

[sartori24]

Proto update 2!
Hey guys, just wanted to say that I have ordered another prototype. Once it gets here the GB should be soon after that. I will update you all once it arrives!

[Koniotaur]

Is this FC660C compatible?

[sartori24]

Is this FC660C compatible?

No, as they are different layouts.

[sartori24]

Update
Added positioning nubs for top and bottom case!

[Desperado.]

I saw this board on discord and searched for a few hours to find you. Love this board and, as someone else said, am a sucker for the split arrow key cluster.

My questions were:
1. Can photos/renders of the keyboard with keycaps to be added?
2. Can we expect this to go into the gb phase before the end of this year? I love this board and would love to be a part of it.
3. Even though there is a weight inside the board, do you have any plans to make a logo on the bottom of the board?


I have been scouring this site for almost a year waiting for the perfect board. I think I finally found it. Would love for this to be my first gb. Keep it up!

[devilDesignsKB]

I want this. so clean

[sartori24]

I saw this board on discord and searched for a few hours to find you. Love this board and, as someone else said, am a sucker for the split arrow key cluster.

My questions were:
1. Can photos/renders of the keyboard with keycaps to be added?
2. Can we expect this to go into the gb phase before the end of this year? I love this board and would love to be a part of it.
3. Even though there is a weight inside the board, do you have any plans to make a logo on the bottom of the board?


I have been scouring this site for almost a year waiting for the perfect board. I think I finally found it. Would love for this to be my first gb. Keep it up!

I'll try do some renders with keycaps, still figuring them out though. Once 2nd proto arrives I will make a GB date, it should definitely be before the end of the year! Right now there is not a logo, as I want to keep the outside branding-free. The only logo as of now is one on the plate that you wont be able to see.

I want this. so clean

Thanks for the positive feedback! I'm glad you like it.

[Desperado.]

 I saw your video of you typing on it and it looked way darker than the image on the front page of the black/slate case. Can we have the option to choose between a slate and black? Or can you tell me if you only plan to have a black or slate?

Thanks!

(would love a slate option)

[sartori24]

I saw your video of you typing on it and it looked way darker than the image on the front page of the black/slate case. Can we have the option to choose between a slate and black? Or can you tell me if you only plan to have a black or slate?

Thanks!

(would love a slate option)

Hi, I got the proto in black but that will not be an option in the groupbuy. There will however, be a grey option (slate) which is colourmatched to pantone 11c.

[dibstern]

Re: split space, a 3-key layout with the small key in the middle is nice! E.g. 2.75-1.25-2.25, or 2.75-2-2.25. 3-1-2.25 could be cool too, and is fairly unique.

[Desperado.]

I saw your video of you typing on it and it looked way darker than the image on the front page of the black/slate case. Can we have the option to choose between a slate and black? Or can you tell me if you only plan to have a black or slate?

Thanks!

(would love a slate option)

Hi, I got the proto in black but that will not be an option in the groupbuy. There will however, be a grey option (slate) which is colourmatched to pantone 11c.

Do you think you can post photos of the boards in their final colors once you get them? I can't wait to see what they actually look like under natural light.

Also, can we expect to see this board show up on MechGroupBuys?

[sartori24]

Update!
Re rendered a lot, hopefully they are nicer now.

[Mechkeeb]

What is the price and is it possible to remove the O ring?

Sent from my SM-G985F using Tapatalk

[sartori24]

What is the price and is it possible to remove the O ring?

Sent from my SM-G985F using Tapatalk

Price is $385 base, not finalised but I am looking at possibly getting it lower. O rings are optional, you can do burger mount or normal top mount. When next proto arrives I’ll try do a comparison!

[sartori24]

Update
After some debate, I've decided to do a colour poll. Please do it, it would mean a lot for me!
https://forms.gle/yZ3Qktn8xpYt7QhdA

[i luv chuletas]

Love the design on this! Any chance for alps support on the pcb?

[//gainsborough]

lilaaaaaaaaac!

[pixelpusher]

I voted for lilac and suggested silver.  Every board should come in silver.  It matches caps even better than e-white and it always looks classy

[Tree_]

Voted for Pink and Lilac. Need something to replace the pink Kkingkkong660 I'm never getting.

[sartori24]

Voted for Pink and Lilac. Need something to replace the pink Kkingkkong660 I'm never getting.

lilaaaaaaaaac!

I voted for lilac and suggested silver.  Every board should come in silver.  It matches caps even better than e-white and it always looks classy

Voted for Pink and Lilac. Need something to replace the pink Kkingkkong660 I'm never getting.

Glad to see you guys like lilac. Will add silver - forgot about it.

Love the design on this! Any chance for alps support on the pcb?

Probably not in this group buy, however I may make pcb files open source after so you can get your own produced. Plates will of course be open sourced after GB concludes.

[Desperado.]

will there be an option to buy an extra plate in case we want multiple options? I am torn between an aluminum or brass plate and would be happy to buy an extra if there is an option.

[nu_types]

So I'll need a silver one for 6085, and a Navy one for Deep Navy....

[Balloz]

Hi! Would be nice if you have a render of the bottom of the S66. Thanks for making a good looking board!

[sartori24]

So I'll need a silver one for 6085, and a Navy one for Deep Navy....

Glad to see you like it! 6085 is a great choice, I want it too.

will there be an option to buy an extra plate in case we want multiple options? I am torn between an aluminum or brass plate and would be happy to buy an extra if there is an option.

Of course! You can buy extra plates and PCBs.

Hi! Would be nice if you have a render of the bottom of the S66. Thanks for making a good looking board!

Hi, I'll do a render. But just to let you know, It is just plain alu.

[kimchijody]

Good IC. When you say "four mounting points" Do you mean the standard 4/4 or "four corners" style?

[sartori24]

Good IC. When you say "four mounting points" Do you mean the standard 4/4 or "four corners" style?

It isn't the 4/4 like you mentioned, It has two on the top and two on the bottom to provide some more flex.

[KZzzz]

The board looks amazing in the photo/render (can't tell). Nice clean design, very geometric, which I like. I assume this will be sold in a raffle format, which makes me a little sad because the chance seems so low...

A little request for the IC: please add more pictures of the bottom case, I would love to see this board in its full glory
A breakdown render of the board would also be nice for people in a hurry to understand the structure of the board, and a nice picture before the text really would leave a lasting impression.

Also, I would double down on the Navy/Deep Navy color for anodization.

[Desperado.]

can we expect to see this in mechgroupbuys IC or upcoming section? if not, will we recieve an email or update on here that the IC has become an active GB? Will this be sold as a raffle or first come first serve?

[sartori24]

Another Proto Update !!
Proto photo came in from factory, more on discord server: https://discord.gg/FjKzgP8pqf. First link in post is also invite link.


Thank you all for the support on this keyboard. It really means a lot to me.

[Amuaisi]

I've been following your board for a while now. It's turning out wonderful, and I really hope I'm able to secure one.

I'm assuming that colors have not been finalized? I'm a little sad that black is not an option for the board.

Exciting stuff.

[krzank]

Clean, 65%, ISO - I'm in.

[sartori24]

I've been following your board for a while now. It's turning out wonderful, and I really hope I'm able to secure one.

I'm assuming that colors have not been finalized? I'm a little sad that black is not an option for the board.

Exciting stuff.

Colours are not finalised - black might be an option now! (please vote in colour poll)

Clean, 65%, ISO - I'm in.

Thanks for all the support!

[Desperado.]

I would love to see the final colors next to each other in the same light if you ever get the chance to do so. Either through photo or render.

Thanks

[sartori24]

I would love to see the final colors next to each other in the same light if you ever get the chance to do so. Either through photo or render.

Thanks

Once I pick the colors from the color poll I will render them all together and pick some Pantones/Ral

[treeleaf64]

Can you do alu/brass plate typing test , it doesn't make sense to offer these options in the GB and then have a different typing plate material in your sound test

Can you also show where the plate mounts to top case? I want to see where the 4 mounting points are

This is treeleaf approved

[sartori24]

Can you do alu/brass plate typing test , it doesn't make sense to offer these options in the GB and then have a different typing plate material in your sound test

Can you also show where the plate mounts to top case? I want to see where the 4 mounting points are

This is treeleaf approved

When I was doing the first sound test the plates weren't finalised. Will do the proper sound tests when the better proto arrives!
When I was designing the case I felt that having only the four mounting point would have some nicer flex on things like alu. May send to a streamer to test out against other top mount/burger mount boards
Random pic of plate:

More

Thanks for the feedback!

[sartori24]

PROTO UPDATE (AGAIN)
The new prototype has arrived! I am still waiting on another shipment for the parts to build it from new, but I have used the parts from the old proto just temporarily. I am very happy with the proto, and it should not need any more changes for the group buy. Expect a group buy page very soon! Photos are in the original post.
Once again, thanks for all the support on this.
Have a great day!

[LASERman Projects]

Would be nice if the PCB support a standard bottom row too for a 6.25 spacebar.

I can't do a fully standard bottom row with all 1.25u keys, but I can do 3x1.25u, 1x6.25u, 2x1.5u.
Thanks for the feedback!

And this would be my have to layout.

[HappyB0T]

Exploded works for me. I was looking for a 660 but now I am seeing this. Super interested. Pricing will let me know if I am in or not. Doesn't seem cheap at all. Goooooood luk!