[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92796.0][img width=480 height=120]https://i.imgur.com/frRxk3p.png[/img][/url]In if SP SA.
Agreeing with Xondat, you should add R2 1.5u BACKSPACE (2 liner), R3 1.75u CONTROL for HHKB style support. Also R1 DEL END PAGEDOWN for 1800 support. 1x 1u ALT and 1x 1u CTRL would also be useful.
Personal opinions ahead:
#1 CONTROL > CTRL for 1.5u or larger keys
#2 RETURN > ENTER
#3 SUPER > WIN for the 1u keys, also helps with the HHKB coverage
#4 PAGE UP/DOWN (2 liners) > PG UP/DN
and if you choose SP for manufacturing, I recommend using these nice big function row legends instead of the lame small ones most other sets use:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ejRGZMn.jpg)
In if SP SA.
Agreeing with Xondat, you should add R2 1.5u BACKSPACE (2 liner), R3 1.75u CONTROL for HHKB style support. Also R1 DEL END PAGEDOWN for 1800 support. 1x 1u ALT and 1x 1u CTRL would also be useful.
Personal opinions ahead:
#1 CONTROL > CTRL for 1.5u or larger keys
#2 RETURN > ENTER
#3 SUPER > WIN for the 1u keys, also helps with the HHKB coverage
#4 PAGE UP/DOWN (2 liners) > PG UP/DN
and if you choose SP for manufacturing, I recommend using these nice big function row legends instead of the lame small ones most other sets use:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ejRGZMn.jpg)
Wow thanks for the advice! Pardon me if I pick yours and others brains for a moment
I'm still fairly new to the varying keyboard layouts, is what you listed enough to cover what Xondat had suggested? the 65/75/1800 and HHKB? I had read somewhere that SP does not have 6u spacebars and I was under the impression that HHKB layout primarily uses a 6u...I could be totally wrong though
RE: your last comment about the 1x1 Alt and 1x1u CTRL keys, that is also in reference to the 1800 coverage, so those too would all be R4
I went to KLE and switched the keys around based on your personal opinions and I actually liked most of the changes, seemed like less wasted space on the larger keys, switching to CONTROL... and I've heard from others before that RETURN looks better than ENTER!
I too am hopeful for SP SA, really hard getting a hold on anybody from there but I guess I should get used to waiting :D
again thanks for the input!
In if SP SA.
Agreeing with Xondat, you should add R2 1.5u BACKSPACE (2 liner), R3 1.75u CONTROL for HHKB style support. Also R1 DEL END PAGEDOWN for 1800 support. 1x 1u ALT and 1x 1u CTRL would also be useful.
Personal opinions ahead:
#1 CONTROL > CTRL for 1.5u or larger keys
#2 RETURN > ENTER
#3 SUPER > WIN for the 1u keys, also helps with the HHKB coverage
#4 PAGE UP/DOWN (2 liners) > PG UP/DN
and if you choose SP for manufacturing, I recommend using these nice big function row legends instead of the lame small ones most other sets use:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ejRGZMn.jpg)
Wow thanks for the advice! Pardon me if I pick yours and others brains for a moment
I'm still fairly new to the varying keyboard layouts, is what you listed enough to cover what Xondat had suggested? the 65/75/1800 and HHKB? I had read somewhere that SP does not have 6u spacebars and I was under the impression that HHKB layout primarily uses a 6u...I could be totally wrong though
RE: your last comment about the 1x1 Alt and 1x1u CTRL keys, that is also in reference to the 1800 coverage, so those too would all be R4
I went to KLE and switched the keys around based on your personal opinions and I actually liked most of the changes, seemed like less wasted space on the larger keys, switching to CONTROL... and I've heard from others before that RETURN looks better than ENTER!
I too am hopeful for SP SA, really hard getting a hold on anybody from there but I guess I should get used to waiting :D
again thanks for the input!
HHKB uses a 6u spacebar indeed which SP does not offer, hence me calling it HHKB style. Boards like the Duck Viper are called that and use a 7u spacebar. the 1u alt and 1u ctrl are more for 65%/75%/96key layouts that use 1u keys on the right side of the spacebar. (example: https://i.imgur.com/2hue6p8.jpg) 1800 would need one pair on each side, but also the 6u spacebar which does not exist, so having two of each outside of GMK kits is pointless, which I mistakenly did in the SA Oblivion Extension kits. Unless you expect people to use artisan 6u spacebars.
For 65/75% support you'd also need R2 Page Up, R3 Page Down, possibly R4 End (I personally use the FN key at the last spot)
Sorry, should've been more helpful with actual keys!
Oblotzky missed off the HHKB style/split backspace R1 | \ key. I think he's covered the rest, but here is a layout mockup of keys that I personally think should be essential to all keysets. It covers most, if not all, non-obscure layouts:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EAcY5M6.png)
Only cover the yellow spacebars and up with the base kit. If you need to trim some keys out, I'd say with the purple navigation keys, and keep the green/yellow nav keys. If you need to trim further (which you shouldn't need to), the remaining purple keys can be cut.
If you really wanted an ISO kit, then wodan's essentials are there (I wouldn't bother with ISO, they never meet MOQ without vendor assistance). Spacebar pack for the split users, but I wouldn't worry about those as it's a niche.
Hey dude! Saw your comment and set, and i think it looks beautiful! Shoot me any info you had and wanted me to look at. I think your idea of coverage is wonderful. I'll be checking up on this :]
Hope this kit could cover the ergodox and planck ;D
not a big fan of the novelties (mostly because i don't get them) but the design of them looks great. and i love the color scheme. great job.
Looks awesome :-)
Others have already mentioned HHKB-style layout and offered their advice, however would just like to add that HHKB layout involves 1.5u meta(or super if you like). Have a look at a proper HHKB, the alt keys are 1u. One way round this to try and keep as many people happy as possible is to add 1.5u novelties instead ;-)
Sort this out and I promise to order a set!
Looks awesome :-)
Others have already mentioned HHKB-style layout and offered their advice, however would just like to add that HHKB layout involves 1.5u meta(or super if you like). Have a look at a proper HHKB, the alt keys are 1u. One way round this to try and keep as many people happy as possible is to add 1.5u novelties instead ;-)
Sort this out and I promise to order a set!
ha thats actually a pretty good idea! When I was trying to update the base kit, I was running like 5 KLE tabs at once, while using photoshop and about 30 google image search tabs to try and accurately cover the hhkb style bottom! But you're right it should be 1u ALT's and I'll switch to 1.5u META's
So then base kit image will go from thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/E8g0lPw.png)
to thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/u23a7y2.png)
Or am I still not getting it? sorry am still new with understanding other layouts!
Looks awesome :-)
Others have already mentioned HHKB-style layout and offered their advice, however would just like to add that HHKB layout involves 1.5u meta(or super if you like). Have a look at a proper HHKB, the alt keys are 1u. One way round this to try and keep as many people happy as possible is to add 1.5u novelties instead ;-)
Sort this out and I promise to order a set!
ha thats actually a pretty good idea! When I was trying to update the base kit, I was running like 5 KLE tabs at once, while using photoshop and about 30 google image search tabs to try and accurately cover the hhkb style bottom! But you're right it should be 1u ALT's and I'll switch to 1.5u META's
So then base kit image will go from thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/E8g0lPw.png)
to thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/u23a7y2.png)
Or am I still not getting it? sorry am still new with understanding other layouts!
Ideally HHKB-style users have a Alt Super Spacebar Super Alt bottom row as far as I am aware, but due to the 1.5u Super keys usually lacking, they are quite used to using Alt or Control in it's place. 1.5u Control keys on the other hand are not expendable due to the wide useage of the WKL layout, see image below. I would skip the Super keys for this set, big sets like Carbon can afford to support them, but you must not lose track of pricing for this type of set. It's a neat one for sure, but it will be a small run, think 100-200 units. So keep it as it is.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NgMHjjc.png)
Tossing my hat in as another supporter of a 40s kit. Also, since the blue and salmon are custom colors, a kit with some blank 1u keys in each row might be fairly successful.
Will it be possible to order additional alphas to cover two boards? Cause buying full kit plus 40s kit to cover single pearl is overkill: more keys will stay unused than on the actual board
Update 12/3/17
Alright guys, so based on the feedback I've received through r/mk, the strawpoll and feedback form, I thought it'd be a good idea to break the base kit down into smaller options in an attempt to cut costs and allow buyers to maximize their boards coverage without breaking the bank!
EDIT: I actually managed to deleted my entire KLE file trying to break the kits down, so I had a fun time staying up until 4am the past couple nights rebuilding the kits haha
I've put in for revised quotes from SP and still waiting to hear back on novelty feasibility!
Kits as follows!MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/w2v8RgR.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vbPRFRs.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/pMrjL2y.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Gc2ByHV.png)
Yah I'm going to keep base kit the way it is!Yeah you’ll upset too many windows users who swap their HHKB layouts :-/
I actually received a quote from SP pre-changes and it seems pretty reasonable. Awaiting shipping quotes, but yah
I might go with what the one poster suggested and just add some 1.5u novelties that can float wherever and whenever to not lose site of the set as it is!
Yah I'm going to keep base kit the way it is!Yeah you’ll upset too many windows users who swap their HHKB layouts :-/
I actually received a quote from SP pre-changes and it seems pretty reasonable. Awaiting shipping quotes, but yah
I might go with what the one poster suggested and just add some 1.5u novelties that can float wherever and whenever to not lose site of the set as it is!
1.5u novelties will Be fine. Or stick an extra 1.5u super in the 40s kit, (already one in there) that would do.
Personally I find it terribly frustrating that sets add all sorts of niche and weird keys but don’t simply add a couple of 1.5u meta/super keys (hell or even command keys, I know that SP have the molds for them!), but I can understand why I guess, you’re essentially here to make money, so reduce set size and sell cheaper boxes to more people.
Should split the num pad kit out of modifier to low down the cost for ppl doesn't need them at all? I'm TKL, 75 so I really don't want the num pad kit.
Love those colors, would buy it.
Just a quick request: Alphas + 40s kit is enough to cover Pearl, right?
run GB now and get it in 2019 :thumb:
So, where are we now at this?
So, where are we now at this?
just waiting on some additional renders from Oblotzky,
once I get those in, going to make a full GB prep announcement. 3/4 weeks before GB starts
can we get a "pitted" keycap :cool: :))
Nice!! I want this keycap.
Looking great! Any chance of a Planck render?
+1 for EU proxies. I think mykeyboard.eu would certainly be down.
Are proxies(EU) being considered?
Ahhhhhhhhh we have a new render and we got ourselves a start date!
Super stoked guys, we're only a couple weeks away! Going to be working on getting some extra goodies to go with the sets!
For everyone's patience here's a render of the set on the PearlShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/z7Hf7e9.jpg)
Only need the Alphas+Novelties kit plus the 40s kit to fit most any 40% board!
Coming soon to Mechkeys.ca on February 12th!
special thanks to Oblotzky for all these gorgeous renders!
Looking great! Any chance of a Planck render?
Looking great! Any chance of a Planck render?
1% is a chance! Oblotzky been squeezing these in between his alreay nuts workload of projects so if we got a planck a render it might not be for quite a while!
I could also try learn blender and see what I can do :D
Oh lordy lord this looks too good! Great workLooking great! Any chance of a Planck render?Looking great! Any chance of a Planck render?
1% is a chance! Oblotzky been squeezing these in between his alreay nuts workload of projects so if we got a planck a render it might not be for quite a while!
I could also try learn blender and see what I can do :D
Well I did my best! Its pretty rough in my opinion
but this is about as close as I could get to showing what BY THE SEA would look like on the Planck!(still learning the Blender ropes!)
Color grading and SA Profile is a bit off but everything in the image is built using just the Alpha/Novelties + 40s kit!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6gLcZw7.png)
Oh lordy lord this looks too good! Great workLooking great! Any chance of a Planck render?Looking great! Any chance of a Planck render?
1% is a chance! Oblotzky been squeezing these in between his alreay nuts workload of projects so if we got a planck a render it might not be for quite a while!
I could also try learn blender and see what I can do :D
Well I did my best! Its pretty rough in my opinion
but this is about as close as I could get to showing what BY THE SEA would look like on the Planck!(still learning the Blender ropes!)
Color grading and SA Profile is a bit off but everything in the image is built using just the Alpha/Novelties + 40s kit!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6gLcZw7.png)
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How long will GB be open? My wallet screams in frustration, so I have to sweeten the pill.
Any chance of a norde kit happening? ;)
GROUPBUY IS LIVE
just waiting on mod approval of the official GB thread!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Tb7JmIk.jpg)
The blank kit is for ergodox compatibility?
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No ISO keys sadly sees me out of this GB...
I'm so disappointed right now.
The EU proxy price is $275 USD and the CA site is 210 USD for a full base set.
Like what the hell man. I was really hoping to get a set but $285 after shipping is just....
I'm so disappointed right now.Well, 210 + 20% tax equals 252, $25 for additional fees elsewhere, maybe the proxy takes a little profit. It's the way it is unless you want to do it illegally.
The EU proxy price is $275 USD and the CA site is 210 USD for a full base set.
Like what the hell man. I was really hoping to get a set but $285 after shipping is just....
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