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Title: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Sun, 21 April 2013, 17:27:19

The Cherry Replica Legend team will be using this Post to communicate the progress of our fundraising, legend creation, and legend cutting.

Progress Bars (Calibrating)


Fundraising
DONE!

Final SVG Creation
DONE!

Legends Cut
DONE! (Pending minor fixes)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Sun, 21 April 2013, 17:27:34
Reserved
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 21 April 2013, 17:27:39
reserved

no screw it

THANK YOU SO FREAKING MUCH EVERYONE :D
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Tym on Sun, 21 April 2013, 17:28:48
Reserved
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 21 April 2013, 17:35:13
Table for two reserved at Gordon Ramsay Los Angeles?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 21 April 2013, 17:36:05
he has a restaurant here?!?!

meh, i bet it's crap and expensive.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Tym on Sun, 21 April 2013, 17:37:58
http://m.quickmeme.com/meme/3qm3v2/
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SmallFry on Mon, 22 April 2013, 07:59:41
Wheee! Is the polycarb keys the first set now instead of Dolch pending Sherry's release?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mashby on Mon, 22 April 2013, 08:05:17
This is cool. Thank you.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: leesofi on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:21:50
Calibrating is short than we knew before.
Title: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:25:37
I need some numbers from hashbaz then I will update
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: leesofi on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:40:46
Okay. i like soon™
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SmallFry on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:46:11
Now™
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:53:38
what do the legends that you are raising funds for look like? how are they different from GMK? or even Signature Plastics?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:55:08
GMK have the original Cherry Legends.  We are designing a replica set so we can make Cherry Font sets  at SP.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:58:07
what do the legends that you are raising funds for look like? how are they different from GMK? or even Signature Plastics?

I imagine they would look something like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/fxd0b.jpg)

I borrowed this picture from here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40815.0).
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 22 April 2013, 09:58:56
This is going to be excellent.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: habitualapse on Wed, 24 April 2013, 02:03:03
How can we contribute to the fundraising? And how shy are we of our goal?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 24 April 2013, 06:16:35
Buy the GH backspaces from TechKeys or get in on BunnyLake's auction
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 24 April 2013, 06:34:19
Buy the GH backspaces from TechKeys or get in on BunnyLake's auction

+1

you can also commission me to make a unique color key for you for a nice donation to the fund, and i heard a rumour that you should buy at least 4 geekhack backspaces from techkeys
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: habitualapse on Wed, 24 April 2013, 11:31:44
Buy the GH backspaces from TechKeys or get in on BunnyLake's auction

Done. +1 on items 1, 2 and 3 FTW!  ;)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 24 April 2013, 11:46:13
How much money is being spent on this? I think a ton of the real thing could be bought instead with funds. I don't get the reasoning for making poor imitations of Cherry with SP when you can buy real Cherry with GMK. Legends are not the most important attribute of Cherry key and SP is lacking in every respect there.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 24 April 2013, 12:04:23
How much money is being spent on this? I think a ton of the real thing could be bought instead with funds. I don't get the reasoning for making poor imitations of Cherry with SP when you can buy real Cherry with GMK. Legends are not the most important attribute of Cherry key and SP is lacking in every respect there.

I posted some details (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=28324.msg866040#msg866040) last night.

I considered scrapping the replica project when the GMK news came out, but it has become clear that people still want it to proceed.  Personally, the only real problem I have with SP keys is their sharp spacebar.  Thickness doesn't trouble me one iota.  In fact for tactile switches, I greatly prefer thin keys.  And my impression is that for most of us, the legends are the thing.

Going with SP gives us a ton of flexibility.  We can do lots of smaller GBs for reasonable prices (like we have been doing with the explosion of full-set GBs), rather than one monolithic GB one or twice a year.  If the relationship with GMK continues to develop to the point where our needs and volumes are reasonably met, then I'm all for switching to them as our main manufacturer.  But for now we're better off with SP.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rknize on Wed, 24 April 2013, 12:58:55
April backspace ordered.

What about the original legend adoption pledges?  No longer needed?

I ask because I am wondering about non-ANSI layouts.  I assume that the funds are budgeted to cover the ANSI 104-key layout.  I wonder if non-ANSI folks might interested in adopting some of the legends to make ISO possible?  That would mean that you guys would have more SVGs to make, so i don't want to sign you up for something you may not have time for right now.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 24 April 2013, 13:05:36
The unexpectedly huge success of the Red Cherry group buy mostly eliminated the need for the adoption pledges.  As fun as it is for people to donate directly and "own" a legend, I think the auction- and GB-based fundraising options are cleaner and faster at raising the money anyway.

I think full regional layouts are best left for another day.  That said, we already have the ISO short left shift -- what other legends are required to make an acceptable ISO universal set?  A 1x backslash I know ... anything else?  I'm not sure what the status of SP's J-shaped Enter key is, and whether we can make legends for it.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 24 April 2013, 13:16:55
Next step... SP SCOOPS!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 24 April 2013, 13:59:01
Next step... SP SCOOPS!
:/ ...
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 24 April 2013, 14:10:02
SCOOOPS

(http://i.imgur.com/LWw7dWv.jpg)

Hey whatever happened to that scoops effort that started a while back...
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 24 April 2013, 14:12:45
Next step... SP SCOOPS!
:/ ...
I know it was your idea. Get back on it Moosey.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 24 April 2013, 14:14:02
It's going to happen.

Soon?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 24 April 2013, 14:15:57
It's going to happen.

Soon?

What are the milestones/roadblocks?  I think using some of this sweet Cherry replica money to further the scoops cause would be legit.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 24 April 2013, 14:18:45
Honestly, the roadblock has just been my insufficient amount of time to pursue the effort. The tooling for new molds was already quoted to me, and I posted that in the thread.

What I wanted to do was create a group buy for many of the popular cap sets, and spread the cost of the molds among that. I think it would work out fairly well. Again, just needs me to focus on it...
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Jmneuv on Wed, 24 April 2013, 15:26:36
I think a ton of the real thing could be bought instead with funds.
It's understandable that people don't fully trust gmk yet with the messed up revealing and drama, also the whole SP process seems pretty established by now and you know how inertness works.

However any effort towards SP draws momentum off gmk, but gmk is where it's at.

Outfitting SP now is just conservative, but seeing how fickle people are, especially on spotting a so called vendor, it might be the wiser choice.
Title: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 24 April 2013, 17:09:14
How much money is being spent on this? I think a ton of the real thing could be bought instead with funds. I don't get the reasoning for making poor imitations of Cherry with SP when you can buy real Cherry with GMK. Legends are not the most important attribute of Cherry key and SP is lacking in every respect there.
gmk is fundamentally limited in what they can produce. they can produce exactly what cherry produced years ago and that's about it. new legend designs, special order colors etc etc are all exponentially more difficult with gmk. firther, their production achedule is highly booked by their main business of keyboard production. there are a multitude of reasons why the community can only benefit from completing this project.

finally, there is absolutely no reason why we can't take advantage of both gmk's vintage tooling and sp's flexibility except that these legends are not currently finished. otherwise, they keys blend quite well and can be mixed and matched to make everyone's personally perfect cap set.

frankly, this has been discussed at length, and no one is forcing you to contribute. however, if you're not wanting to discuss positive progress on this project i would please ask you to refrain from adding to this thread
Title: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 24 April 2013, 17:09:58
also, what the heck are scoops
Title: Re: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 24 April 2013, 20:25:22
also, what the heck are scoops
Instead of Wyse nipples or normal dashes, SCOOPS!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 25 April 2013, 10:53:02
also, what the heck are scoops
kawa!? Scoops are the greatest thing ever invented, obviously.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 25 April 2013, 13:41:47
If you say so... custom colors are effortless at GMK I mean look at what we ordered already... they will order any color of plastic stock you want. New legends are more of an effort, they did say they are willing to make them eventually as I have inquired about having some 'Execute' enter keys and 'Fn' keys in a few sizes made at some point. I only asked a question, and offering a counter argument that I felt that going though a lot of cost and effort to recreate something that already exists and is available seems kind of counter intuitive. I will also argue that SP keycaps DO NOT blend quite well as they have a different profile that is different enough to be noticeable.
The biggest hurdle to using GMK more is their MOQ, granted. However if people just go oh, it's too hard and go with SP we never will be able to take advantage of GMK, and I DESPERATELY want to have alternatives to originative. This replicating made some sense before we knew there was other options, but I still say not so much now that we all know better.
I am tired of the if you have an opinion (or simply state logic) that is different you aren't allowed to speak attitude around here sometimes. Now I have said my piece and that is all.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 25 April 2013, 14:02:10
I'm fine with you voicing your opinion, though it would probably be better suited for the main Cherry Replica thread rather than here.  Like I said before, if we can develop our relationship with GMK such that we can cut new legends and do lower-MOQ orders at reasonable prices (or if we grow to the point that the higher MOQ is not a problem), then I am 100% for doing all our Cherry-type stuff with them.  The original molds are better than the replicas, and always will be.

I don't see the replica project as hindering the growth of the GMK relationship.  The SP legends are only costing us about $4K, which is a fraction of what a full-set order with GMK would cost us with a 400 unit MOQ.  And the bulk of that was raised during the Red Cherry group buy, so it's not like everyone is just shoveling donated money into this.  Nearly all of the funds have been generously exchanged for real goods.

It is true that having "Cherry" legends available at SP will decrease the demand for GMK Cherry sets.  But I think holding off on the SP project for something that may take years with GMK -- or never materialize at all -- is silly.  Affordable full-set group buys with GMK are still tantalizing even if we also have the replica legends with SP.  People will always prefer them, and we should keep working to get them.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 25 April 2013, 19:53:09
Also, you could do a couple of things that GMK can't like PBT DSs. Also, if GBs get to GMK MOQ, you could always transfer the GB from SP to GMK, pending people willing to pay the difference. I sure would.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:21:47
Ivan, seriously, we're all happy to argue about this until we die of oxygen deprivation, but not in this thread.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:38:50
Need MOAR update
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:40:25
SP wants to cut all the legends at once as opposed to in small batches.  We are scrambling to finish, but making sure we do not sacrifice quality.

We are shooting to have the order submitted end of the week.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:42:47
We have all the money raised?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:52:22
I think we should be good, if not very close
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:03:42
Horray! Moar PBT DS CHERRY GOODNESS!or Poly, but I know nothing
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 02 May 2013, 12:02:09
I think we should be good, if not very close

Can't wait!  ;D
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: phetto on Thu, 02 May 2013, 12:08:46
When this is finished, what would the first keyset be? Something with transluscent legends like the GH April keycaps? (Time to get something for backlit keyboard users!! xD)

Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 06 May 2013, 04:25:22
i've seen the scoops. they are quite amazing
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 06 May 2013, 04:28:05
i've seen the scoops. they are quite amazing
The... the scoops?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 06 May 2013, 04:32:51
also, what the heck are scoops
Instead of Wyse nipples or normal dashes, SCOOPS!
What about dashed, nipples with scoops?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 07 May 2013, 10:10:30
unfortunately, we haven't budgeted for scoops and i'm going to say from seat-of-pants calculation that we can't afford them :(
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 07 May 2013, 10:46:37
I say we add them to the plans. Moose was also planning on spreading the scoops love to previous sets, pending he could get an affordable tier etc. I'll let you two work it out.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 08 May 2013, 12:59:04
moose is going to have to or email me asap.

ps, that rotating shark is freaking me out in the best possible way.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 08 May 2013, 13:00:11
Rotating shark made my day :D

ALL GLORY TO THE HALVERSON.

Edit: I would also love to see scoops with nipples like Qsanity said. Scoops on their own aren't my favorite.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 08 May 2013, 13:03:10
I see. You like scoopy nips. Kinky.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 09 May 2013, 12:13:59
these would be two separate molds (yes, molds) and hence double the cost.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Sai on Thu, 30 May 2013, 10:04:36
how is this going ?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 03 June 2013, 00:13:45
there are a handful of legends left. basically the tenkey and the '9'. boilermaker is on vacation until tomorrow (or was it later? crap, i can't remember..) though, so it's been taking a little longer to get through the last of the keys; hashbaz is flyin' solo (THROUGH THE DANGER ZONE)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 03 June 2013, 00:18:16
To a zone of.....danger?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 03 June 2013, 02:43:27
there are a handful of legends left. basically the tenkey and the '9'. boilermaker is on vacation until tomorrow (or was it later? crap, i can't remember..) though, so it's been taking a little longer to get through the last of the keys; hashbaz is flyin' solo (THROUGH THE DANGER ZONE)

Great now I'm going back to need with the top gun theme song in my head :P

Thanks for the update! ;)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 03 June 2013, 02:45:08
Exciting stuff.

Since when did Sifo care about legends, you say?

Well... you'll find out Soon™.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: agodinhost on Wed, 05 June 2013, 17:13:37
I'm back again with more dumb questions but I don't know where else I should ask (sorry if I'm in the wrong place):
- How this fundraising works?
- Are we going to get the keycaps in the CapBadAss picture?
- How much it will cost?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Jmneuv on Fri, 21 June 2013, 14:58:03
Is the clear orange on white set still in the pipeline?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 21 June 2013, 15:07:57
I find your lack of updates

(http://i.imgur.com/XxLtLkz.jpg)

disturbing.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Fri, 21 June 2013, 15:14:36
We are very very close to finishing the legend SVGs.  Real life has gotten the better of hashbaz and myself delaying this effort a bit.

We have the entire tenkeless set ready to submit.

The Tenkey has been drafted and needs minor revision/placement.

I expect the entire set of legends to be cutting next week.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 21 June 2013, 16:04:56
As noobish as I'm going to sound, what makes this different from the other cherry replica legends?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 21 June 2013, 16:06:15
As noobish ass I'm going to sound, what makes this different from the other cherry replica legends?

It's double shot and made by SP. Not dyesub.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 21 June 2013, 16:21:35
As noobish ass I'm going to sound, what makes this different from the other cherry replica legends?

I'm not sure which other replica legends you mean...

If you mean the GMK sets from Ivan's group buy, those are not truly replica legends as they use the original molds.

If you mean the sets that e.g., imsto sells, then see jdcarpe's post above.

If you mean the various other group buys that have been labelled "Cherry replica" (e.g., moogle kits), then these are the same legends as those.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 21 June 2013, 16:37:26
As noobish ass I'm going to sound, what makes this different from the other cherry replica legends?

I'm not sure which other replica legends you mean...

If you mean the GMK sets from Ivan's group buy, those are not truly replica legends as they use the original molds.

If you mean the sets that e.g., imsto sells, then see jdcarpe's post above.

If you mean the various other group buys that have been labelled "Cherry replica" (e.g., moogle kits), then these are the same legends as those.

So, why make a new one if one already exists?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Tym on Fri, 21 June 2013, 16:38:54
The problem is GMK require HUGE MOQ and take a while to get orders in
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: kenmai9 on Fri, 21 June 2013, 16:50:55
The problem is GMK require HUGE MOQ and take a while to get orders in
So is the point of this to get our own mold? Is this going to expedite more group buys and make them cheaper?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 21 June 2013, 16:53:56
So, why make a new one if one already exists?

You do realize that GMK, imsto, and SP are three different companies right? They won't have the same molds. Imsto doesn't even have molds since he uses a dye-sub process. Double shot injection molding would need molds. This molding is for SP so that they have a Cherry replica font. GMK wouldn't share their molding with SP...

The problem is GMK require HUGE MOQ and take a while to get orders in
So is the point of this to get our own mold? Is this going to expedite more group buys and make them cheaper?

Future GBs at SP will have nice looking Cherry fonts and legends. It doesn't make them faster or cheaper.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 21 June 2013, 16:54:53
This whole thing was started before GMK was known about. But there are GBs in place now, and there will be more in the future that won't reach the MOQ that GMK sets. This is especially so for some of the things that SP allows us to work with, such as tsangans, ISO kits, etc, which can have very low numbers. So, with some GBs, we're stuck with SP. Well, with that said, some people really prefer the Cherry font over other fonts, such as SPs stock font. So it doesn't matter through what other avenues Cherry font can be obtained. Due to these circumstances, creating these Cherry legend replicas for use with SPs superior price tiering system is why.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Thu, 27 June 2013, 16:08:20
Invoice is paid and legends are being cut
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 27 June 2013, 16:14:10
Invoice is paid and legends are being cut

 :o Awesomeness!

We need some videos of the process!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Rayne on Thu, 27 June 2013, 16:30:32
We need some videos of the process!
That would be pretty awesome too see!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Jmneuv on Thu, 27 June 2013, 18:22:01
Now on to a flatter row 4 profile!

Thanks for the cherry legends.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 27 June 2013, 18:27:49
This is quite exciting!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 27 June 2013, 22:36:31
It's been a long haul.  Huge thanks to i3oiler for helping make it happen.  We should have a prototype set done in a few weeks!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: longweight on Sun, 30 June 2013, 05:52:33
Have the extra ISO keys been included?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 30 June 2013, 12:26:08
ISO keys are not part of this initial big submission and test set.  They will get done either with the corrections from the proof set that SP is running for us or during a subsequent group buy.

We have the 1.25x left shift already cut.  I'm not sure whether it's possible to cut a new legend for the ISO enter key ... i3oiler might know more there but I think I remember ISO kits from other sets having blank enters.

So that leaves a 1x backslash.  What else is required for a basic ISO set?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: longweight on Sun, 30 June 2013, 12:27:09
I think that is all.


So for the first few groupbuys ISO probably won't be covered?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 30 June 2013, 12:30:07
I'm not sure what the plans are for the GH polycarb set that mkawa and boiler are doing as the first Cherry replica set, but I would imagine they'll include the standard options for ISO, 10key, and tsangan kits.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: longweight on Sun, 30 June 2013, 12:30:35
Ok thanks.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 01 July 2013, 08:31:49
nathan's set is on hold while we mourn nathan.

the legends have been invoiced and paid for, however.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bueller on Wed, 17 July 2013, 10:24:50
Sorry if this is in poor taste due to SmallFry's passing but I'd like to ask a question if possible. Will there be any plans to do Tsangan/Anti-Caps Lock kits in future?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 17 July 2013, 12:14:00
Cherry replica tsangan kits already exist.  A Caps Lock/Control switch kit would be trivial to produce.  It'll all depend on what future group buy runners want to offer.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 18 July 2013, 11:50:50
legend production is in process and hash and boiler are debugging some legend issues with SP. the full prototype set we produce will very likely actually be a copy of nathan's set. we might hopefully have this in *fingers crossed* about 6-8 weeks depending on how things go.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 July 2013, 13:05:32
Actually, Melissa just told me that the prototype set should be finished on the 25th -- I should have the set in hand by early August!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:43:16
Actually, Melissa just told me that the prototype set should be finished on the 25th -- I should have the set in hand by early August!

Aaaand she took a couple of pics of the keys they have already cut!

(http://i.imgur.com/LsTdfor.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/8AKFUu9.jpg)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:44:37
Show Image
Actually, Melissa just told me that the prototype set should be finished on the 25th -- I should have the set in hand by early August!

Aaaand she took a couple of pics of the keys they have already cut!

(http://i.imgur.com/LsTdfor.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/LsTdfor.jpg)
  (http://i.imgur.com/8AKFUu9.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/8AKFUu9.jpg)

 :o ....that is all I can say!!  :thumb: :thumb:

Actually I might actually use my back lighting again.  8)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:47:47
I redid the "@" symbol on the 2 key just last night ... kind of amazing to see it on a key already. :D
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Badwrench on Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:49:32
Beautiful!  Those are tuning out killer!  Might force me to swap my green leds for some light purple or white. 
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:51:45
I redid the "@" symbol on the 2 key just last night ... kind of amazing to see it on a key already. :D

Is the @ symbol slightly rotated right?

And the # looks a little short top and bottom compared to left and right.

Perhaps this is what cherry legends look like I don't have any to compare :( .

Just asking not complaining!!!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:54:19
They are both pretty accurate -- the Cherry # just looks a little bit strange.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rknize on Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:55:06
Yup, the # key is weird on Cherry caps, among other things.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:56:57
They are both pretty accurate -- the Cherry # just looks a little bit strange.


Yup, the # key is weird on Cherry caps, among other things.


So basically this is just more stuff I've been missing by not having cherry keycaps!! You guys are awesome for doing all this work, and really everyone on this forum who has played a part with fundraisers, planning etc etc  ;D

It's so exciting.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 18 July 2013, 16:57:53
Man... Cherry font with backlight capability? I may actually have to buy another SP set...
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:04:04
Man... Cherry font with backlight capability? I may actually have to buy another SP set...

...and in all the colors of the rainbow!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:11:13
Man... Cherry font with backlight capability? I may actually have to buy another SP set...

...and in all the colors of the rainbow!

Mmm... Now, let's have some discussions. Would it be possible to have all the colors of the rainbow in one set? Like those POM jellies, but with different polycarb colored shots.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:22:25
So are these thicker ABS caps or are they still thin SP ABS? 
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:33:33
They are regular SP ABS caps.  Same profile and thickness as all the other sets we've done.  We went around and around about this last year; there's no practical way to get thicker keys from SP.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:35:37
I assume by practical, you mean not spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on new molds?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:36:38
Yes.  That and the expertise to produce and QA them.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:41:00
Well, at least the Cherry font looks very nice.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: SP deserves some respect for how they work with us. They give us free reign to create many things with any colorways, and reasonable MOQs that other companies choose to stay away from.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:51:55
Oh yeah.  I'm definitely not complaining.  Do I wish it was thick ABS?  Yes, but SP is great to work with, especially when it comes to color selections, sampling, MOQs, and their general flexibility.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 18 July 2013, 18:39:21
thick keymolds don't play very well with 2-shotting the nearly arbitrary legends we get out of SP's process. they also make it much more difficult to work with multiple plastic types. the keys above are hybrids of PC and ABS. thicker molds would have made it much more difficult, if not impossible to obtain these keys, particularly at larger key sizes (which are naturally essential to making full sets..).

and to make this tooling for a relatively small enthusiast community without multi-hundred set MOQs is unheard of in the plastics industry. SP's willingness to experiment, tool, deliver to and support our community has made them an absolutely invaluable partner to us. I can't and don't want to imagine how much poorer we'd be as enthusiasts without them. WE'D BE TYPING ON PAD PRINTED CAPS PEOPLE. PAD PRINT. THINK ABOUT IT.

seriously, i love the folks at SP for doing their thing for us, i literally am going to go up and hug everyone who works there next time i'm up in seattle and can free up the time to drive to custer. every morning i wake up with crazy ideas based on my extremely limited understanding of polymer chemistry and a few months later, TRANSLUCENT KEYCAPS FOR EVERYONE! so many things that we've accomplished on this site, and done to grow the mechanical keyboard wave that literally sold cherry's entire production line out for 6 months is rooted in the cool stuff that SP lets us do. i am absolutely 100% serious. everyone's getting a hug.

this set is going to be epic. nathan, if you're up there, this one is for you.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Jmneuv on Thu, 18 July 2013, 20:36:06
wow..

what color code is used for the white?

p.s: the asterisk above the 8 needs some work
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 18 July 2013, 22:38:19
wow..

what color code is used for the white?

p.s: the asterisk above the 8 needs some work

The white is WFK.  And we'll be doing a round of fixes once I have the keys in hand and can compare them in detail with Cherry keys.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bueller on Fri, 19 July 2013, 01:23:28
I just went from six to midnight.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 19 July 2013, 01:44:51
I can't wait to see this kit!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 19 July 2013, 05:37:56
I just went from six to midnight.

Knowing you live in Australia, I'm sorry to hear of your disapproval of this work...
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: kenmai9 on Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:51:18
These look great, but I have a question. Are there no legal implications of replicating Cherry's font and selling these?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 19 July 2013, 14:25:39
IANAL, but my understanding is that you cannot protect a font's design with trademark and/or copyright law.  If we had used an actual TTF file stolen from Cherry I think the situation would be different.  But we did the work of producing a new character set that is modelled after an existing one, using publicly available images of keys as reference.  I think we're ok.

Maybe we could get in trouble for using Cherry's name without permission?  If we are notified of such we'll be happy to call it something else.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 19 July 2013, 14:37:13
Moose legends.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 19 July 2013, 23:24:26
Moose legends.

Each keycap with its own little antlers.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 22 July 2013, 19:45:26
and to make this tooling for a relatively small enthusiast community without multi-hundred set MOQs is unheard of in the plastics industry. SP's willingness to experiment, tool, deliver to and support our community has made them an absolutely invaluable partner to us. I can't and don't want to imagine how much poorer we'd be as enthusiasts without them. WE'D BE TYPING ON PAD PRINTED CAPS PEOPLE. PAD PRINT. THINK ABOUT IT.

This is why I'm waiting to do Toxic set with SP. Even though we pretty much have the numbers to do toxic with GMK and people send me tells all the time to switch to GMK. You have to support the companies that are willing to work with you, and Signature Plastics is that company.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: oluf on Mon, 22 July 2013, 22:27:20
and to make this tooling for a relatively small enthusiast community without multi-hundred set MOQs is unheard of in the plastics industry. SP's willingness to experiment, tool, deliver to and support our community has made them an absolutely invaluable partner to us. I can't and don't want to imagine how much poorer we'd be as enthusiasts without them. WE'D BE TYPING ON PAD PRINTED CAPS PEOPLE. PAD PRINT. THINK ABOUT IT.

This is why I'm waiting to do Toxic set with SP. Even though we pretty much have the numbers to do toxic with GMK and people send me tells all the time to switch to GMK. You have to support the companies that are willing to work with you, and Signature Plastics is that company.

Right on Dan! Stick to your guns... SP FTW!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: le_doosh on Fri, 26 July 2013, 20:25:20
I really like how they came out. I am curious to see what they look like on a backlit keyboard.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 26 July 2013, 20:44:31
speaking of issues with 2-shotting, the first prototype is already showing some issues with both legends and the ABS + PC process in general. they might be solvable via manipulating the legends, but we're going to have to run some more prototypes and cut a few more legends to see.

basically, we're getting remelting on larger keys with small legend details. the reason why is that, to get the PC to flow into the ABS first shot with the small diameter openings of our font, pressure on the molder has to be cranked up. pressure is proportional to temperature, as usual, so we get remelting of the grid and even some of the legends. not good.

SP's production schedule opens back up for legends late next week at the earliest, so we're going to powow when Hash gets back from well, here to home and has a chance to look at some splines close up.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 26 July 2013, 20:53:19
Splinessss
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 01 August 2013, 11:50:47
Melissa has sent out the prototype set, sans keys that had the issues mkawa detailed.  It's scheduled for delivery tomorrow!

I'll be taking loads of comparison pictures and making adjustments as necessary.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 01 August 2013, 11:57:47
Awesome!! So glad this is proceeding.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 01 August 2013, 15:55:59
Those keys look incredible. Much respect for the work done so far, and also for the work ahead.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 01 August 2013, 15:57:20
what material/color are those legends?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mashby on Thu, 01 August 2013, 16:01:30
what material/color are those legends?

I believe it's the polycarbonate orange like the GeekHack April Part 2 (http://techkeys.us/collections/keys/products/gh-april-part-2-key) backspace.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: le_doosh on Fri, 02 August 2013, 13:36:02
what material/color are those legends?


what material/color are those legends?

I believe it's the polycarbonate orange like the GeekHack April Part 2 (http://techkeys.us/collections/keys/products/gh-april-part-2-key) backspace.

Ya they the same as the April GH keys, but there's this:

Man... Cherry font with backlight capability? I may actually have to buy another SP set...

...and in all the colors of the rainbow!
So maybe there will be more colors other than just orange/white. Or maybe I am wrong. Regardless, the keys look awesome

Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 02 August 2013, 13:41:39
So maybe there will be more colors other than just orange/white. Or maybe I am wrong. Regardless, the keys look awesome

This is just a prototype set to proof the legends.  There will be a group buy after the legends are all done for an orange polycarb-on-white set.  After that the legends will be available for any group buy organizer to use for whatever color combos they choose.  I'd expect danielucf's green-on-black Toxic set to be next up.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 02 August 2013, 14:13:56
Aaand they've arrived!

(http://i.imgur.com/NWqrbAW.jpg)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Fri, 02 August 2013, 14:14:44
!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 02 August 2013, 14:15:24
Well when you take a picture of them with all that other stuff as a backdrop, it's kind of hard to get so excited, hashbaz...
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 02 August 2013, 14:37:44
Aaand they've arrived!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NWqrbAW.jpg)


nice!!

you should have also received a keyboard today  ::)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: le_doosh on Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:50:42
So maybe there will be more colors other than just orange/white. Or maybe I am wrong. Regardless, the keys look awesome

This is just a prototype set to proof the legends.  There will be a group buy after the legends are all done for an orange polycarb-on-white set.  After that the legends will be available for any group buy organizer to use for whatever color combos they choose.  I'd expect danielucf's green-on-black Toxic set to be next up.

Thank for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:53:06
Is it just me, or is anyone else not a fan of the Orange poly with the white legends? I think something nicer would be a dark color for the mods with orange poly legends and white for the rest with the orange poly.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:54:54
round one is probably the orange, but that remind me, i have to get a pic of the polycarbonate color ring. no one else has one yet :X

POTATOCAM INCOMING

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24794081/2013-08-02%2014.00.06.jpg)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: oTurtlez on Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:55:36
Is it just me, or is anyone else not a fan of the Orange poly with the white legends? I think something nicer would be a dark color for the mods with orange poly legends and white for the rest with the orange poly.

Kinda agree. I think the poly mods look a bit out of place. Can't really tell for sure till I see it on a board though.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:56:02
round one is probably the orange, but that remind me, i have to get a pic of the polycarbonate color ring. no one else has one yet :X

^^ yes please!!!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 02 August 2013, 16:12:53
Is it just me, or is anyone else not a fan of the Orange poly with the white legends? I think something nicer would be a dark color for the mods with orange poly legends and white for the rest with the orange poly.

TBH I agree.  Transparent plastic is not really my thing.  The original plan was to do a Dolch set first, but Originative makes that kind of redundant.  I would really love to see a cream cheese 'n' blue Cherry replica set.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: le_doosh on Fri, 02 August 2013, 17:35:14
Yes, a raindrop set with polycarb would be awesome looking, Instead of orange just change everything to blue.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bueller on Fri, 02 August 2013, 22:23:27
Yes, a raindrop set with polycarb would be awesome looking, Instead of orange just change everything to blue.

This x100000
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 03 August 2013, 00:17:56
Overall I'm really pleased.  The missing keys are those that had the melting issues, which we are working to correct.  I'll be scrutinizing the keys individually, but so far the only egregious differences I've seen are the ones we already knew about: the asterisk above the 8 key, and the pound symbol above the 3 key.  I have the full-res images if anyone would like to see them.

Full album (http://imgur.com/a/fZwnx)

(http://i.imgur.com/mGwh3EJ.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/mGwh3EJ.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/WF3hF2K.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/WF3hF2K.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0pqUomU.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0pqUomU.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/DuQhIjf.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/DuQhIjf.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Badwrench on Sat, 03 August 2013, 00:24:15
These are looking really interesting.  I think the * needs a little work as well, a bit smaller than the cherry one above it.  Other than that, I actually like the polycarb look with the opaque first shot. 
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 03 August 2013, 00:30:04
I really like the alphas but those modifiers...:-\
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Sat, 03 August 2013, 00:50:05
yes, i am _not_ happy with the remelting on the modifiers. nor am i happy with the lack of consistency on the grid formats. all of these things will be addressed BEFORE we go into production. this is nate's set and these kinds of discrepancies will not be allowed.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mtl on Sat, 03 August 2013, 01:27:44
I like these better than the Cherry legends. Nice work! :-D
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: codyeatworld on Sat, 03 August 2013, 02:06:30
Wow those legends look great, but I agree the inconsistent remelting really throws me off.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 03 August 2013, 02:30:08
I too like the orange, although something a bit more yellow would be perfect ;)

The inconsistent 1st shot in the WoO mods is a bit distracting - looking forward to a successful resolution of the issues.

Well done to everyone who has been working on this!!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: le_doosh on Sat, 03 August 2013, 02:50:21
Wow those legends look great, but I agree the inconsistent remelting really throws me off.

I agree with you. Looks kind of half-assed. Hopefully that can get worked out
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bueller on Sat, 03 August 2013, 04:18:26
Well done to everyone who has been working on this!!

Agreed, I'm sure this set will turn out to be awesome!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mkawa on Sat, 03 August 2013, 08:21:44
Wow those legends look great, but I agree the inconsistent remelting really throws me off.

I agree with you. Looks kind of half-assed. Hopefully that can get worked out
its not half-assed at all, and i was not pointing the finger at SP yesterday night. to be clear, this is a side effect of the process. it's _extremely_ difficult to do this without some remelting, but we're going to burn some midnight oil and work together to minimize it.

sorry to all parties, i've been very cranky lately.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 03 August 2013, 19:09:38
I said it was a bit distracting ;)

The main point of this thread is the Cherry legends, not the polycarbs.  They are an added bonus.

The Cherry legends are fantastic!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Jmneuv on Sun, 04 August 2013, 14:56:26
Remelting only happens with white-on-orange as far as i can see?
Well, i'd sure take the set in only orange-on-white aswell.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: danielucf on Sun, 04 August 2013, 21:05:25
Remelting only happens with white-on-orange as far as i can see?
Well, i'd sure take the set in only orange-on-white aswell.

Looking at my Vegas dice set, and the geekhack blue polycarb keys it can happen on those color combinations too.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Jmneuv on Mon, 05 August 2013, 06:00:13
Yea i think more specifically it happens when polycarb is the second shot.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: oTurtlez on Mon, 05 August 2013, 08:42:16
Not sure if anyone else noticed, or cared in particular, as it doesn't even really bother me, but the line through the Q on Nate's set seems a bit wider than the one on the Cherry set. Not sure if we're going for 100% identical, but yeah, just my $.02 :)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Xenderwind on Mon, 05 August 2013, 10:55:14
I like the idea of orange modifiers but like others, I don't like how inconsistent the remelting is on the polycarbs.  I'd even buy just white on orange doubleshots.  Is there any chance we can get the \| and `~ keys in both colors?  I know some prefer just modifiers but I just like symmetry.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: oTurtlez on Mon, 05 August 2013, 10:58:06
I like the idea of orange modifiers but like others, I don't like how inconsistent the remelting is on the polycarbs.  I'd even buy just white on orange doubleshots.  Is there any chance we can get the \| and `~ keys in both colors?  I know some prefer just modifiers but I just like symmetry.

+1 for that idea :)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: domoaligato on Mon, 05 August 2013, 14:27:08
dumb question why do some of the doubleshots show / and others \  why not all the same direction?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: oTurtlez on Mon, 05 August 2013, 14:30:26
dumb question why do some of the doubleshots show / and others \  why not all the same direction?

Whatcha mean? All /'s seem to be /'s and \'s seem to be \'s
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Xenderwind on Mon, 05 August 2013, 14:30:38
dumb question why do some of the doubleshots show / and others \  why not all the same direction?

I assume its just the remelting process that they have been talking about. 


dumb question why do some of the doubleshots show / and others \  why not all the same direction?

Whatcha mean? All /'s seem to be /'s and \'s seem to be \'s

I think he means the legends, like look at the numpad(the legends have lines going through them).  But like I said, I think its just h ow the remelting stuff works with polycarbs.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 05 August 2013, 14:34:06
That is the support structure for the legend (the 1st shot).  There are several variations (some / some \ some other), with different properties for supporting legends with different demands.  It is normally hidden by the keycap (the 2nd shot) and is chosen according to the needs of the particular legend.  With clear 1st shots, and especially clear 2nd shots, this support structure becomes a visible part of the keycaps' aesthetic.  One of the things we are working on is to see if we can make them all uniform.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: domoaligato on Mon, 05 August 2013, 14:36:00
That is the support structure for the legend (the 1st shot).  There are several variations (some / some \ some other), with different properties for supporting legends with different demands.  It is normally hidden by the keycap (the 2nd shot) and is chosen according to the needs of the particular legend.  With clear 1st shots, and especially clear 2nd shots, this support structure becomes a visible part of the keycaps' aesthetic.  One of the things we are working on is to see if we can make them all uniform.

thank you. this perfectly answers my question.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: jil_jil32 on Tue, 06 August 2013, 02:34:02
ummm the legends look really great!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bahamot on Thu, 15 August 2013, 20:43:34
Looks awesome! Definitely gonna get a set when GB is up!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bueller on Mon, 02 September 2013, 08:05:01
Any updates? I'm itching to get some money down for new Cherry keys  :D
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Mon, 02 September 2013, 11:06:35
Fixed legends have been submitted to SP.

We are leaning away from the orange poly second shot mods because with the inconsistent meshes the set looks ugly.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bueller on Mon, 02 September 2013, 11:10:01
Fixed legends have been submitted to SP.

We are leaning away from the orange poly second shot mods because with the inconsistent meshes the set looks ugly.

Cheers for the news! It's a shame about the orange polys but it was worth investigating I guess.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mashby on Mon, 02 September 2013, 12:48:06
Fixed legends have been submitted to SP.

We are leaning away from the orange poly second shot mods because with the inconsistent meshes the set looks ugly.

Does this means we might see orangesicle instead?  :eek:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8588675681_08123259be_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52308907@N07/8588675681/)
05quarter (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52308907@N07/8588675681/) by kaporkle (http://www.flickr.com/people/52308907@N07/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 02 September 2013, 13:02:35
I still think a darker color for the mods' second shot would be better. Something like a dark grey/charcoal, with the orange poly legends.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 02 September 2013, 13:05:52
I still think a darker color for the mods' second shot would be better. Something like a dark grey/charcoal, with the orange poly legends.
This please.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: domoaligato on Mon, 02 September 2013, 13:23:01
I like the poly alphas and I think a complete base set with matching mods is the way to go.
then it could have a few choices for the mod kits.

1. mashby's orangesicle
2. orange poly (if it gets fixed)
3. orangesicle with white poly or clear poly legends?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 02 September 2013, 23:13:42
Does this means we might see orangesicle instead?  :eek:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8588675681_08123259be_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52308907@N07/8588675681/)
05quarter (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52308907@N07/8588675681/) by kaporkle (http://www.flickr.com/people/52308907@N07/), on Flickr

I actually freaking love this.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Tue, 03 September 2013, 09:26:19
Does this means we might see orangesicle instead?  :o

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8588675681_08123259be_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52308907@N07/8588675681/)
05quarter (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52308907@N07/8588675681/) by kaporkle (http://www.flickr.com/people/52308907@N07/), on Flickr

I actually freaking love this.

I like this, but the alphas to be orange poly on white ABS.  All the mods to be all ABS.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rknize on Tue, 03 September 2013, 09:48:25
How about clear poly on orange ABS for the mods?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 03 September 2013, 10:15:46
I feel like if we're doing poly at all then ask the keys should have it. Otherwise it'll look funny on a backlit keyboard.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Tue, 03 September 2013, 10:45:39
How about clear poly on orange ABS for the mods?

Clear Poly on Orange does not really have a ton of contrast.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 03 September 2013, 11:37:12
white poly?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 16 September 2013, 18:29:11
The second-round fixed legends should be en route to me by the end of the week.  So if those look good, I think we're like, ... done.  As in GB can commence.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 16 September 2013, 18:43:10
Exciting!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: oaklandishh on Tue, 17 September 2013, 15:38:36
These all look nice! cant wait for the legends to be ready for toxic and whatever is to come after!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 28 September 2013, 11:06:45
The second-round fixed legends should be en route to me by the end of the week.  So if those look good, I think we're like, ... done.  As in GB can commence.

Did they make ti to you yet? Although I think if they did, you would have given us an update.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 28 September 2013, 23:41:44
They did ship out from SP but I've been out of town so I haven't seen them yet.  I will be back in a few days.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 29 September 2013, 02:04:57
Fixed legends have been submitted to SP.

We are leaning away from the orange poly second shot mods because with the inconsistent meshes the set looks ugly.

Does this means we might see orangesicle instead?  :eek:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8588675681_08123259be_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52308907@N07/8588675681/)
05quarter (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52308907@N07/8588675681/) by kaporkle (http://www.flickr.com/people/52308907@N07/), on Flickr

This is strangely attractive :)

And another example that looks best on a white case.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 01 October 2013, 11:47:37
I'm back at work this morning and found the corrected keys waiting for me.  The 3/# and 8/* look much, much better.  I'll take comparison pics tonight to confirm, but I think we have a complete set (104 key ANSI) of acceptable legends.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8588675681_08123259be_z.jpg)

Also, the redone modifiers are white-on-orange, like the mockup mashby posted, and look delicious. ^^
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 01 October 2013, 11:48:24
Awesome!!!!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 01 October 2013, 11:55:52
can't wait for the pics!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 01 October 2013, 12:11:20
Preview...

(http://i.imgur.com/hDhN3NG.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/YOvuKKB.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/s8LL2F7.jpg)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 01 October 2013, 12:36:13
The new ones look pretty good.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 01 October 2013, 18:11:43
I'm back at work this morning and found the corrected keys waiting for me.  The 3/# and 8/* look much, much better.  I'll take comparison pics tonight to confirm, but I think we have a complete set (104 key ANSI) of acceptable legends.

Show Image
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8588675681_08123259be_z.jpg)


Also, the redone modifiers are white-on-orange, like the mockup mashby posted, and look delicious. ^^

That looks fantastic!

Almost as good as if they were yellow, although the white legends wouldn't show up as well.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: xavierblak on Tue, 01 October 2013, 18:52:47
Looks good. I'm guessing the keys will look more orange in person. They look pretty red from those photos.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: LONGZILLA on Tue, 01 October 2013, 19:15:21
I'm back at work this morning and found the corrected keys waiting for me.  The 3/# and 8/* look much, much better.  I'll take comparison pics tonight to confirm, but I think we have a complete set (104 key ANSI) of acceptable legends.

Show Image
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8588675681_08123259be_z.jpg)


Also, the redone modifiers are white-on-orange, like the mockup mashby posted, and look delicious. ^^

SWEET ORANGE GOODNESS... oh yeah, the legends look great too
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 01 October 2013, 19:25:42
Looks good. I'm guessing the keys will look more orange in person. They look pretty red from those photos.

Bro you need some calibration, those are about as Orange as it gets!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: xavierblak on Tue, 01 October 2013, 20:05:21
I'm guessing it's just a matter of point of view.

These mods look nice and orange to me. This would be the color I would picture if someone said something was orange to me.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8588675681_08123259be_z.jpg)

These mods look do look orange but they are more shifted to red.
(http://i.imgur.com/s8LL2F7.jpg)

Are you saying these look like the same color?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 01 October 2013, 20:51:36
^^ well they aren't exactly the same since one is a render and one is a real life photo but yes they both look orange to me.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: jcrouse on Tue, 01 October 2013, 21:15:36
Well, the shade of the render will draw much more interest than the shade of the real caps.

John
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 01 October 2013, 21:17:08
Dat Tab

good work gents
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Badwrench on Tue, 01 October 2013, 21:32:59
Nice.  Dramatically better on the # and *.  I really loved the transparent mods, but this just looks so much cleaner.  Glad you kept the poly shot in the alphas.  I assume you are still using the same colors as the geekhack backspace and hazard cone?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 01 October 2013, 23:06:39
Looks good. I'm guessing the keys will look more orange in person. They look pretty red from those photos.

Those pics were taken with my phone in bad lighting with a flash, so yeah.  Colors not necessarily representative.  The keys are perfectly Halloween orange in real life.

Though remember guys this is just the proof set.  What the first GB goes with remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Jmneuv on Wed, 02 October 2013, 09:56:37
Hope there'll be a chance for a full polycarb on white set. I think the orange on the mods is too strong (it's a nice color by itself) but due to the transparency the poly-orange looks more towards yellow thus the mods don't really match.
Nice results either way though.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 02 October 2013, 13:13:50
Well, the shade of the render will draw much more interest than the shade of the real caps.

John

They could also order the same color as the orange mods via pantone color and get exactly what the picture looks like.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 03 October 2013, 15:41:40
I was able to borrow a CODE keyboard from a coworker, so I'll have some nice images of the keys with backlighting later!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bueller on Fri, 04 October 2013, 02:20:28
I was able to borrow a CODE keyboard from a coworker, so I'll have some nice images of the keys with backlighting later!

SWEET! Dat avatar as well hahahaha
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 04 October 2013, 02:49:02
SWEET! Dat avatar as well hahahaha

Thanks!

(http://i.imgur.com/Ukcg3qx.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/HeOvvg0.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DdXiyb2.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/6EPcYUe.jpg)

Full album (http://imgur.com/a/pYV1D)

I think the backlighting looks kinda bad tbh.  Keycaps are too thin and too much light shines through.  And the orange here still looks darker than it does in person.  Again, this is just the proof set; the colors the GB will use are still up in the air.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bueller on Fri, 04 October 2013, 03:31:52
Yeah not a fan of the backlighting but then again I don't have any backlit keyboards so that says a lot :)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Badwrench on Fri, 04 October 2013, 03:55:40
 Yeah, that is a lot going on.  The white is def. not helping with the transparency.  I know that grey/orange has been done before, but what about a nice med. grey with the poly orange legends, and then the solid orange mods with med. grey legends?

Kind of a shame as it looks really sharp until you turn on the leds. 
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: bueller on Fri, 04 October 2013, 03:59:48
Something tells me we'll have the same problem no matter what the color used, SP caps are just too thin to allow the poly to shine.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 04 October 2013, 04:20:06
Backlighting - yeah, the alpha legends are towards the top, which is great, but the number keys the legends are towards the bottom, so the shifted characters are illuminated.

Plus I wonder what this would look like with red or green LEDs ...
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: LONGZILLA on Fri, 04 October 2013, 08:50:33
Personally I think it looks fine when the LEDs were on but not at full intensity (that or the room wasn't completely dark)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: mtl on Fri, 04 October 2013, 18:49:51
Again, this is just the proof set; the colors the GB will use are still up in the air.

It's too bad the transparent orange modifiers didn't work out. Those would have been really cool. :cool: Maybe you could join forces with some other GB with high interest (e.g., toxic), add some new legends in celebration of SmallFry, and move this great set into production. :-D
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 04 October 2013, 18:51:35
(http://i.imgur.com/6EPcYUe.jpg)

Amazing

this will be the last SP set that i will purchase ever again
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: oluf on Fri, 04 October 2013, 18:59:29
I wonder how they would look in SA profile... They're a bit thicker. Can SP shoot poly into SA?
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: LONGZILLA on Fri, 04 October 2013, 19:10:46
this will be the last SP set that i will purchase ever again

Pretty sure this is the opposite of what they were going for with the Cherry Replica initiative... but i get what you're saying :) this is totally hot
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 04 October 2013, 19:54:47
this will be the last SP set that i will purchase ever again

Pretty sure this is the opposite of what they were going for with the Cherry Replica initiative... but i get what you're saying :) this is totally hot

personal preference ~

once you try the best, there is no going back 
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 07 October 2013, 21:29:08
SWEET! Dat avatar as well hahahaha

Thanks!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Ukcg3qx.jpg)
 
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/HeOvvg0.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/DdXiyb2.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/6EPcYUe.jpg)


Full album (http://imgur.com/a/pYV1D)

I think the backlighting looks kinda bad tbh.  Keycaps are too thin and too much light shines through.  And the orange here still looks darker than it does in person.  Again, this is just the proof set; the colors the GB will use are still up in the air.

 :eek:  The full orange set looks like gold in dim lighting!  Very nice amber effect!  I agree it looks a tad over the top, but nonetheless, that warm golden glow is just so nice!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: i3oilermaker on Wed, 09 October 2013, 08:20:18
GB coming real soon - just hashing out some final details.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: LONGZILLA on Wed, 09 October 2013, 09:01:05
GB coming real soon - just hashing out some final details.

RAWRRRREADY
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 09 October 2013, 09:28:49
GB coming real soon - just hashing out some final details.

Awww Yissssss!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 09 October 2013, 16:42:01
GB coming real soon - just hashing out some final details.

Oh no, another excuse to become poor!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: leesofi on Fri, 11 October 2013, 02:13:59
great :)
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: HendyZone on Fri, 11 October 2013, 03:42:46
I"m ready :cool:
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: ijprest on Mon, 14 October 2013, 13:23:28
Any chance I could get the SVG with the legends? 

I'd like to roll support for this into my little online layout editor (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/).  (And if I can track down an electronic version of Gorton, I want to add that legend-font as well...)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 14 October 2013, 13:49:09
Any chance I could get the SVG with the legends? 

I'd like to roll support for this into my little online layout editor (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/).  (And if I can track down an electronic version of Gorton, I want to add that legend-font as well...)

Thanks!
There is no TTF of Gorton, however "Engravers Gothic BT" is the close enough.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: ijprest on Mon, 14 October 2013, 20:15:57
There is no TTF of Gorton, however "Engravers Gothic BT" is the close enough.

Thanks for that... it's not perfect (some real obvious differences, like the ampersand), but it'll do.  I'll get that into my next version. 

Hopefully I can get the Cherry Replica legend too...
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 15 October 2013, 01:08:50
I'll be releasing the SVGs at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: crazee64 on Fri, 01 November 2013, 19:47:43
I know I'm a bit late to the party here (came by this thread while catching up on news from the toxic GB) but can I just saw these photos may be the sexiest thing I have seen in keyboards ever. I was waiting until WASD make a code with red switches but hell, I might have to buy whatever they get in stock just hoping a set like this is produced that I can stick on it.  :eek:
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 01 November 2013, 20:00:01
First group buy is up

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50292.0
Title: Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
Post by: crazee64 on Fri, 01 November 2013, 21:49:09
Oh wow! Thanks - dunno how I missed that  :-[