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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:11:13 »
Man... Cherry font with backlight capability? I may actually have to buy another SP set...

...and in all the colors of the rainbow!

Mmm... Now, let's have some discussions. Would it be possible to have all the colors of the rainbow in one set? Like those POM jellies, but with different polycarb colored shots.

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #101 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:22:25 »
So are these thicker ABS caps or are they still thin SP ABS? 

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #102 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:33:33 »
They are regular SP ABS caps.  Same profile and thickness as all the other sets we've done.  We went around and around about this last year; there's no practical way to get thicker keys from SP.

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« Reply #103 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:35:37 »
I assume by practical, you mean not spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on new molds?

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« Reply #104 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:36:38 »
Yes.  That and the expertise to produce and QA them.

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« Reply #105 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:41:00 »
Well, at least the Cherry font looks very nice.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: SP deserves some respect for how they work with us. They give us free reign to create many things with any colorways, and reasonable MOQs that other companies choose to stay away from.

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« Reply #106 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 17:51:55 »
Oh yeah.  I'm definitely not complaining.  Do I wish it was thick ABS?  Yes, but SP is great to work with, especially when it comes to color selections, sampling, MOQs, and their general flexibility.

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« Reply #107 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 18:39:21 »
thick keymolds don't play very well with 2-shotting the nearly arbitrary legends we get out of SP's process. they also make it much more difficult to work with multiple plastic types. the keys above are hybrids of PC and ABS. thicker molds would have made it much more difficult, if not impossible to obtain these keys, particularly at larger key sizes (which are naturally essential to making full sets..).

and to make this tooling for a relatively small enthusiast community without multi-hundred set MOQs is unheard of in the plastics industry. SP's willingness to experiment, tool, deliver to and support our community has made them an absolutely invaluable partner to us. I can't and don't want to imagine how much poorer we'd be as enthusiasts without them. WE'D BE TYPING ON PAD PRINTED CAPS PEOPLE. PAD PRINT. THINK ABOUT IT.

seriously, i love the folks at SP for doing their thing for us, i literally am going to go up and hug everyone who works there next time i'm up in seattle and can free up the time to drive to custer. every morning i wake up with crazy ideas based on my extremely limited understanding of polymer chemistry and a few months later, TRANSLUCENT KEYCAPS FOR EVERYONE! so many things that we've accomplished on this site, and done to grow the mechanical keyboard wave that literally sold cherry's entire production line out for 6 months is rooted in the cool stuff that SP lets us do. i am absolutely 100% serious. everyone's getting a hug.

this set is going to be epic. nathan, if you're up there, this one is for you.

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #108 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 20:36:06 »
wow..

what color code is used for the white?

p.s: the asterisk above the 8 needs some work

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« Reply #109 on: Thu, 18 July 2013, 22:38:19 »
wow..

what color code is used for the white?

p.s: the asterisk above the 8 needs some work

The white is WFK.  And we'll be doing a round of fixes once I have the keys in hand and can compare them in detail with Cherry keys.

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #110 on: Fri, 19 July 2013, 01:23:28 »
I just went from six to midnight.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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« Reply #111 on: Fri, 19 July 2013, 01:44:51 »
I can't wait to see this kit!
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« Reply #112 on: Fri, 19 July 2013, 05:37:56 »
I just went from six to midnight.

Knowing you live in Australia, I'm sorry to hear of your disapproval of this work...

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #113 on: Fri, 19 July 2013, 12:51:18 »
These look great, but I have a question. Are there no legal implications of replicating Cherry's font and selling these?

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« Reply #114 on: Fri, 19 July 2013, 14:25:39 »
IANAL, but my understanding is that you cannot protect a font's design with trademark and/or copyright law.  If we had used an actual TTF file stolen from Cherry I think the situation would be different.  But we did the work of producing a new character set that is modelled after an existing one, using publicly available images of keys as reference.  I think we're ok.

Maybe we could get in trouble for using Cherry's name without permission?  If we are notified of such we'll be happy to call it something else.

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« Reply #115 on: Fri, 19 July 2013, 14:37:13 »
Moose legends.

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« Reply #116 on: Fri, 19 July 2013, 23:24:26 »
Moose legends.

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #117 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 19:45:26 »
and to make this tooling for a relatively small enthusiast community without multi-hundred set MOQs is unheard of in the plastics industry. SP's willingness to experiment, tool, deliver to and support our community has made them an absolutely invaluable partner to us. I can't and don't want to imagine how much poorer we'd be as enthusiasts without them. WE'D BE TYPING ON PAD PRINTED CAPS PEOPLE. PAD PRINT. THINK ABOUT IT.

This is why I'm waiting to do Toxic set with SP. Even though we pretty much have the numbers to do toxic with GMK and people send me tells all the time to switch to GMK. You have to support the companies that are willing to work with you, and Signature Plastics is that company.
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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #118 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 22:27:20 »
and to make this tooling for a relatively small enthusiast community without multi-hundred set MOQs is unheard of in the plastics industry. SP's willingness to experiment, tool, deliver to and support our community has made them an absolutely invaluable partner to us. I can't and don't want to imagine how much poorer we'd be as enthusiasts without them. WE'D BE TYPING ON PAD PRINTED CAPS PEOPLE. PAD PRINT. THINK ABOUT IT.

This is why I'm waiting to do Toxic set with SP. Even though we pretty much have the numbers to do toxic with GMK and people send me tells all the time to switch to GMK. You have to support the companies that are willing to work with you, and Signature Plastics is that company.

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« Reply #119 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 20:25:20 »
I really like how they came out. I am curious to see what they look like on a backlit keyboard.

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« Reply #120 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 20:44:31 »
speaking of issues with 2-shotting, the first prototype is already showing some issues with both legends and the ABS + PC process in general. they might be solvable via manipulating the legends, but we're going to have to run some more prototypes and cut a few more legends to see.

basically, we're getting remelting on larger keys with small legend details. the reason why is that, to get the PC to flow into the ABS first shot with the small diameter openings of our font, pressure on the molder has to be cranked up. pressure is proportional to temperature, as usual, so we get remelting of the grid and even some of the legends. not good.

SP's production schedule opens back up for legends late next week at the earliest, so we're going to powow when Hash gets back from well, here to home and has a chance to look at some splines close up.

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #121 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 20:53:19 »
Splinessss

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #122 on: Thu, 01 August 2013, 11:50:47 »
Melissa has sent out the prototype set, sans keys that had the issues mkawa detailed.  It's scheduled for delivery tomorrow!

I'll be taking loads of comparison pictures and making adjustments as necessary.

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« Reply #123 on: Thu, 01 August 2013, 11:57:47 »
Awesome!! So glad this is proceeding.

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« Reply #124 on: Thu, 01 August 2013, 15:55:59 »
Those keys look incredible. Much respect for the work done so far, and also for the work ahead.

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #125 on: Thu, 01 August 2013, 15:57:20 »
what material/color are those legends?

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« Reply #126 on: Thu, 01 August 2013, 16:01:30 »
what material/color are those legends?

I believe it's the polycarbonate orange like the GeekHack April Part 2 backspace.

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« Reply #127 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 13:36:02 »
what material/color are those legends?


what material/color are those legends?

I believe it's the polycarbonate orange like the GeekHack April Part 2 backspace.

Ya they the same as the April GH keys, but there's this:

Man... Cherry font with backlight capability? I may actually have to buy another SP set...

...and in all the colors of the rainbow!
So maybe there will be more colors other than just orange/white. Or maybe I am wrong. Regardless, the keys look awesome


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« Reply #128 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 13:41:39 »
So maybe there will be more colors other than just orange/white. Or maybe I am wrong. Regardless, the keys look awesome

This is just a prototype set to proof the legends.  There will be a group buy after the legends are all done for an orange polycarb-on-white set.  After that the legends will be available for any group buy organizer to use for whatever color combos they choose.  I'd expect danielucf's green-on-black Toxic set to be next up.

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« Reply #129 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 14:13:56 »
Aaand they've arrived!


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« Reply #130 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 14:14:44 »
!!!!  :o

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« Reply #131 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 14:15:24 »
Well when you take a picture of them with all that other stuff as a backdrop, it's kind of hard to get so excited, hashbaz...

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« Reply #132 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 14:37:44 »
Aaand they've arrived!

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« Reply #133 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:50:42 »
So maybe there will be more colors other than just orange/white. Or maybe I am wrong. Regardless, the keys look awesome

This is just a prototype set to proof the legends.  There will be a group buy after the legends are all done for an orange polycarb-on-white set.  After that the legends will be available for any group buy organizer to use for whatever color combos they choose.  I'd expect danielucf's green-on-black Toxic set to be next up.

Thank for clearing that up.

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« Reply #134 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:53:06 »
Is it just me, or is anyone else not a fan of the Orange poly with the white legends? I think something nicer would be a dark color for the mods with orange poly legends and white for the rest with the orange poly.

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« Reply #135 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:54:54 »
round one is probably the orange, but that remind me, i have to get a pic of the polycarbonate color ring. no one else has one yet :X

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« Reply #136 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:55:36 »
Is it just me, or is anyone else not a fan of the Orange poly with the white legends? I think something nicer would be a dark color for the mods with orange poly legends and white for the rest with the orange poly.

Kinda agree. I think the poly mods look a bit out of place. Can't really tell for sure till I see it on a board though.
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« Reply #137 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 15:56:02 »
round one is probably the orange, but that remind me, i have to get a pic of the polycarbonate color ring. no one else has one yet :X

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« Reply #138 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 16:12:53 »
Is it just me, or is anyone else not a fan of the Orange poly with the white legends? I think something nicer would be a dark color for the mods with orange poly legends and white for the rest with the orange poly.

TBH I agree.  Transparent plastic is not really my thing.  The original plan was to do a Dolch set first, but Originative makes that kind of redundant.  I would really love to see a cream cheese 'n' blue Cherry replica set.

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« Reply #139 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 17:35:14 »
Yes, a raindrop set with polycarb would be awesome looking, Instead of orange just change everything to blue.

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« Reply #140 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 22:23:27 »
Yes, a raindrop set with polycarb would be awesome looking, Instead of orange just change everything to blue.

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« Reply #141 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 00:17:56 »
Overall I'm really pleased.  The missing keys are those that had the melting issues, which we are working to correct.  I'll be scrutinizing the keys individually, but so far the only egregious differences I've seen are the ones we already knew about: the asterisk above the 8 key, and the pound symbol above the 3 key.  I have the full-res images if anyone would like to see them.

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« Reply #142 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 00:24:15 »
These are looking really interesting.  I think the * needs a little work as well, a bit smaller than the cherry one above it.  Other than that, I actually like the polycarb look with the opaque first shot. 
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« Reply #143 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 00:30:04 »
I really like the alphas but those modifiers...:-\

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« Reply #144 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 00:50:05 »
yes, i am _not_ happy with the remelting on the modifiers. nor am i happy with the lack of consistency on the grid formats. all of these things will be addressed BEFORE we go into production. this is nate's set and these kinds of discrepancies will not be allowed.

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« Reply #145 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 01:27:44 »
I like these better than the Cherry legends. Nice work! :-D
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« Reply #146 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 02:06:30 »
Wow those legends look great, but I agree the inconsistent remelting really throws me off.




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« Reply #147 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 02:30:08 »
I too like the orange, although something a bit more yellow would be perfect ;)

The inconsistent 1st shot in the WoO mods is a bit distracting - looking forward to a successful resolution of the issues.

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Re: Cherry Replica Legends Fundraising
« Reply #148 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 02:50:21 »
Wow those legends look great, but I agree the inconsistent remelting really throws me off.

I agree with you. Looks kind of half-assed. Hopefully that can get worked out

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« Reply #149 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 04:18:26 »
Well done to everyone who has been working on this!!

Agreed, I'm sure this set will turn out to be awesome!
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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