Post by: olivia on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:39:28
Launching on December 1st, 2019.
oliviaplus.plus (http://oliviaplus.plus)
(https://i.imgur.com/ap3Qc4S.jpg)
After much waiting, I'm excited to announce that Olivia++ will be in GB in short time! The "++" in Olivia++ is a shorthand used in programming to indicate incrementing by 1. This not only applies to this being the second round of the keyset being offered, but also the fact that we have a Dark Alternative set for those interested in a monotone version.
Colors
I will be using the same colors that were used in the first run.
RAL 040 80 20
RAL 000 20 00
GMK CP
Kits & Pricing
Light
(https://i.imgur.com/fyZzLJy.jpg)
Dark
(https://i.imgur.com/vfnb6CQ.jpg)
Novelties
(https://i.imgur.com/JW4qSin.jpg)
Extension
(https://i.imgur.com/xbpChq0.jpg)
ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/tSfPNyQ.jpg)
Spacebar
(https://i.imgur.com/P2qWcZJ.jpg)
Hihihi
(https://i.imgur.com/penpUl9.jpg)
Vendors & Pricing
I am happy for the opportunity to be working with NovelKeys, Mykeyboard, iLuMKB, Zfrontier, and Daily Clack as the vendor/proxies.
NA: Novelkeys.xyz
Light: $110
Dark: $110
Novelties: $20
Extension: $42
ISO: $26
Spacebar: $14
Hihihi: $34
EU: Mykeyboard.eu
Light: €119
Dark: €119
Novelties: €21
Extension: €45
ISO: €29
Spacebar: €14
Hihihi: €36
Australia (AUD): Dailyclack.com
Light: $179
Dark: $179
Novelties: $33
Extension: $68
ISO: $42
Spacebar: $23
Hihihi: $55
Singapore - Ilumkb.com
Light: $162 SGD
Dark: $162 SGD
Novelties: $30 SGD
Extension: $63 SGD
ISO: $39 SGD
Spacebar: $21 SGD
Hihihi: $50 SGD
China: Zfrontier.com
Light: ¥818/$130
Dark: ¥818/$130
Novelties: ¥147/$21
Extension: ¥306/$45
ISO: ¥187/$27
Spacebar: ¥102/$15
Hihihi: ¥244/$36
Pictures
(https://i.imgur.com/QVOaJfw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QhHzaap.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vysvbjC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fVKDvYh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mAQuYA7.jpg)
Special Thanks
Many thanks to Zambumon, RAMA Team, and the awesome vendors who will be listing it!
Post by: minaknits on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:40:27
the time has come!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by: iaman on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:42:31
Oh huh. Wasn’t expecting this for the last month or anythingWell, it kept getting pushed back by folks asking about it on Discord 😂
Post by: ilouis_07 on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:43:33
从我的 iPhone 发送，使用 Tapatalk
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Post by: excluisve on Sun, 13 October 2019, 21:39:04
let us look forward this keycpas on E8.5 render
Post by: infinitykw on Sun, 13 October 2019, 21:42:49
Post by: andrewregal on Sun, 13 October 2019, 22:49:55
Post by: vicissitude on Sun, 13 October 2019, 22:50:50
Thank you. :-* :-* :-*
Post by: born2relax on Sun, 13 October 2019, 22:54:29
Post by: stevenT on Sun, 13 October 2019, 23:06:02
basically a GMK Cafe knockoffGMK Olivia - a knockoff? For real? :eek:
Post by: KingOfMemes on Sun, 13 October 2019, 23:06:13
Post by: hansikhouse on Sun, 13 October 2019, 23:06:40
basically a GMK Cafe knockoff
This guy knows what's up. ;)
Post by: hound on Sun, 13 October 2019, 23:19:31
Post by: MMKB on Sun, 13 October 2019, 23:31:10
No need for renders. NUT
No need for IC either
Post by: Kokaloo on Sun, 13 October 2019, 23:40:43
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Post by: Chodaniel on Mon, 14 October 2019, 00:41:20
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 14 October 2019, 00:55:28
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/582516550179880979.png?v=1)
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 14 October 2019, 01:01:31
Did anyone else solve the puzzle yet?Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/582516550179880979.png?v=1)
Nope. I tried base64 but got a broken hyperlink. Going to try and decode it further. Perhaps some type of letter swapping?
Post by: lolafineday on Mon, 14 October 2019, 01:04:13
Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk
Post by: dexie on Mon, 14 October 2019, 01:09:41
Post by: dexie on Mon, 14 October 2019, 01:12:40
Did anyone else solve the puzzle yet?Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/582516550179880979.png?v=1)
Nope. I tried base64 but got a broken hyperlink. Going to try and decode it further. Perhaps some type of letter swapping?
Hey, that's easy. Reverse base64 + ROT12, and we get this link https://imgur.com/a/xXLQShK .
There we got another base64 string, which translates to "We must go deeper...". IDK if there's much more to decrypt
Post by: vheissu on Mon, 14 October 2019, 01:13:48
Post by: Kerasan on Mon, 14 October 2019, 01:28:57
Post by: vheissu on Mon, 14 October 2019, 01:29:19
Edit: nvm
Post by: Flexerman on Mon, 14 October 2019, 02:16:39
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Post by: lemongrassii on Mon, 14 October 2019, 05:42:36
Did anyone else solve the puzzle yet?Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/582516550179880979.png?v=1)
I'm doing something wrong with the image.. I've been stuck trying to find anything useful with zsteg for hours now
Post by: Pach on Mon, 14 October 2019, 06:42:16
Post by: vision-quest on Mon, 14 October 2019, 06:56:16
Post by: ctrlshiftba on Mon, 14 October 2019, 07:09:58
Is this essentially just an Olivia rerun? Not sure what the ++ stands for?
Pretty sure it’ll be a rerun with new additional kits. I’ve seen a dark mode for sure.
Post by: born2relax on Mon, 14 October 2019, 07:42:10
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Post by: lolafineday on Mon, 14 October 2019, 09:39:22
Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk
Post by: olivia on Mon, 14 October 2019, 10:07:30
https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp (https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp)
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 14 October 2019, 10:11:08
Thank you for the great feedback guys! My good friend JohnWest recently posted something, if you have some time, give it a listen!Solve fast get gifts? Colevrak?
https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp (https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp)
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 14 October 2019, 10:26:59
Post by: Miyiou on Mon, 14 October 2019, 10:33:25
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 14 October 2019, 10:35:51
Has gifts for me? For being slow but trying my best?The twin peaks homie coming in hot
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:28:47
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:40:13
Not that I want to be that guy (who am I kidding here?), but... what will the kit's coverage be? Same as before? Will some omissions be not ommited anymore? Will anything be taken off?Do not ask such silly questions. Only consume plastic then wait for next plastic to consume.
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:41:50
Not that I want to be that guy (who am I kidding here?), but... what will the kit's coverage be? Same as before? Will some omissions be not ommited anymore? Will anything be taken off?Do not ask such silly questions. Only consume plastic then wait for next plastic to consume.
I'm out of plastic right now and I'm hungry. Can you send me your unused ISO Enter keys, please? Space bars as well, if you can spare a few...
Post by: Gosling_dkc on Mon, 14 October 2019, 12:03:27
Post by: Gosling_dkc on Mon, 14 October 2019, 12:10:47
Thank you for the great feedback guys! My good friend JohnWest recently posted something, if you have some time, give it a listen!
https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp (https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp)
Is there something I am supposed to do with this message? haha. Or is it a just for fun kinda thing? Had fun deciphering it.
Post by: edasaur on Mon, 14 October 2019, 13:15:30
Thank you for the great feedback guys! My good friend JohnWest recently posted something, if you have some time, give it a listen!
https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp (https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp)
Just saw this, and I solved it fast from when I saw the puzzle. Does that count? XD
More
SOLVE FAST GET GIFTS
Post by: MMKB on Mon, 14 October 2019, 13:22:26
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 14 October 2019, 13:30:52
Hold on, almost there...
Post by: edasaur on Mon, 14 October 2019, 13:34:23
BESURETODRINKYOUROVALT
Hold on, almost there...
🤔 🤔 🤔
Post by: Orca Builds on Mon, 14 October 2019, 13:39:43
Post by: SUB01 on Mon, 14 October 2019, 15:31:22
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Mon, 14 October 2019, 17:36:07
OLIVIA++_BASE_OLIVIA
OLIVIA++_MODIFIERS
Post by: stuey138 on Mon, 14 October 2019, 19:04:10
Paul McCartney' HiHiHi was released December 1st. Olivia++ release December 1st?I would be inclined to believe that is true as well
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 14 October 2019, 19:05:28
Paul McCartney' HiHiHi was released December 1st. Olivia++ release December 1st?I would be inclined to believe that is true as well
Crack the code and you’ll find some fun facts
Post by: olivia on Mon, 14 October 2019, 19:27:31
6c6576656c2b2b
Olivia++ is launching on December 1st, 2019.
Post by: Paddel06 on Mon, 14 October 2019, 19:36:15
Congratulations to cijanzen for figuring out the release date! :D We will be in touch.Level++ ?
6c6576656c2b2b
Olivia++ is launching on December 1st, 2019.
Post by: vheissu on Mon, 14 October 2019, 20:27:13
Paul McCartney' HiHiHi was released December 1st. Olivia++ release December 1st?I would be inclined to believe that is true as well
Crack the code and you’ll find some fun facts
Just for the sake of knowledge, what was the key for 57IZCJCPQ/vRqF1xc24u73JPfPLVQgGEJ1sFVZ8DTKTyrTJVPKjTvk/iYT7IoJlz ¿?
Post by: stevenT on Mon, 14 October 2019, 20:37:25
I am not a programmer and don't have any skill related to decoding, so I googled #657665 and got Hex color #657665 to RAL 6011, but the code couldn't be that easy.
or 6c6576 656c2b 6c2b2b
update
could it be 6 kits(6c), shipping estimate June 5(65 and 6c), 2020(2b2b) and another(desk mat, artisan) on July 6 (76) :rolleyes: or there could be 2 other updates comming(2 be continue x 2). Aw too curious.
Post by: stuey138 on Mon, 14 October 2019, 21:37:24
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Post by: SwitchKeys on Tue, 15 October 2019, 00:54:49
can someone fill me in on this puzzle thing? I have no idea where this came from...
No one knows what it means, but it's provocative ... it gets the people going!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 15 October 2019, 01:40:05
can someone fill me in on this puzzle thing? I have no idea where this came from...It's a "big **** energy" IC that - everyone knows - is unnecessary because of how popular the Olivia colorway is, so this is just OP having fun with teasing the community.
And well, due to the name, we are expecting something more than just a rehash of R1. So who knows?
Post by: Ultimatum on Tue, 15 October 2019, 05:17:52
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Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 15 October 2019, 15:10:30
Do you even dare to hope for a NorDEUK kit?
i'd stop hoping now
Post by: dorf on Tue, 15 October 2019, 15:34:00
Do you even dare to hope for a NorDEUK kit?
i'd stop hoping now
Everything you have said in the past has been false so I will keep my hope.
Post by: ilemondrop on Tue, 15 October 2019, 16:14:50
Post by: Sintpinty on Tue, 15 October 2019, 16:18:42
GMK Olivia++
Launching on December 1st, 2019.
I'm thinking of using this for my new profile pic: dmhoZGc6Ly93YXVpZi5xY2Evby9sTFpFR3ZZ
After much waiting, I'm excited to announce that Olivia++ will be in GB in short time! I'll be working with NovelKeys, Mykeyboard, iLuMKB, Zfrontier, and Daily Clack as the vendor/proxies.
Details soon to follow? ? ? ? ? ?
Many thanks to: Zambumon, RAMA Team, and the awesome vendors who will be listing it!
Le code has arrived
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 15 October 2019, 20:15:21
Do you even dare to hope for a NorDEUK kit?
i'd stop hoping now
Everything you have said in the past has been false so I will keep my hope.
Ah good a new quote for my signature
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 15 October 2019, 21:38:04
Post by: andtar2 on Wed, 16 October 2019, 01:55:17
Hey everyone, I wrote about solving the Avatar puzzle over on Keebtalk if you're interested in finding out how it was completed: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen (https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen)
Wow! Great work! Thanks for very interesting writeup.
This could easily been a real CTF-challenge :)
Post by: CF73 on Wed, 16 October 2019, 03:15:58
Hey everyone, I wrote about solving the Avatar puzzle over on Keebtalk if you're interested in finding out how it was completed: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen (https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen):eek:
Post by: krey on Wed, 16 October 2019, 05:08:27
Post by: joerush25 on Wed, 16 October 2019, 14:50:28
But please don't make this a remix of Olivia, we want the same colors please!
New desk-mats are welcome though.
Thank you
Post by: delrn on Wed, 16 October 2019, 15:30:19
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Post by: appaboy on Wed, 16 October 2019, 15:42:24
I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.I'm pretty sure teaser pics have text+ icon
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: d00deitsnik on Wed, 16 October 2019, 17:44:09
Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 16 October 2019, 18:35:26
Post by: blakstealth on Wed, 16 October 2019, 19:17:36
(https://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/nike-air-max-90-pink-325213-143-3.jpg?w=1140)
Post by: MMKB on Wed, 16 October 2019, 22:03:55
Found the perfect shoe to complement this.Show Image(https://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/nike-air-max-90-pink-325213-143-3.jpg?w=1140)
Man, Air Max Olivia
Post by: appaboy on Wed, 16 October 2019, 22:05:16
Post by: tunadesu on Wed, 16 October 2019, 22:43:45
Found the perfect shoe to complement this.Show Image(https://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/nike-air-max-90-pink-325213-143-3.jpg?w=1140)
maybe even these pups
(https://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Air-Jordan-1-Retro-High-OG-Crimson-Tint-3-3.jpg?x98166)
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 16 October 2019, 23:40:05
Found the perfect shoe to complement this.Show Image(https://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/nike-air-max-90-pink-325213-143-3.jpg?w=1140)
maybe even these pupsShow Image(https://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Air-Jordan-1-Retro-High-OG-Crimson-Tint-3-3.jpg?x98166)
hot damn. :eek:
Post by: xchangmanx on Thu, 17 October 2019, 10:57:31
Post by: wholypantalones on Thu, 17 October 2019, 12:04:25
I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.I'm pretty sure teaser pics have text+ icon
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I hope so, too many sets with icons and not enough text + icon.
Post by: PocketAces on Thu, 17 October 2019, 20:05:03
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 18 October 2019, 10:04:38
Post by: dexie on Fri, 18 October 2019, 10:06:57
Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 18 October 2019, 12:46:55
Right, more clues for the next puzzle
Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
Pretty sure that's not what he meant
Post by: Hedgey on Fri, 18 October 2019, 12:48:52
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Post by: MMKB on Fri, 18 October 2019, 12:55:14
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
It's about time
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 18 October 2019, 14:29:49
Hey everyone, I wrote about solving the Avatar puzzle over on Keebtalk if you're interested in finding out how it was completed: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen (https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzen)
nice job.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 18 October 2019, 14:32:13
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Who uses that board?
Post by: Hedgey on Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:04:47
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Who uses that board?
Way more people than you'd like to admit, and you know it. Still the most retarded "controversy" to happen to the hobby within the last few years, and it only hurts the people who choose to exclude 2 keys from their keysets. Especially now that GBs are more of a money grab rather than an actual group buy these days.
Post by: Remsky on Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:13:24
Lets not derail this thread with Van drama. Its still not even a proper IC yet.....OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Who uses that board?
Way more people than you'd like to admit, and you know it. Still the most retarded "controversy" to happen to the hobby within the last few years, and it only hurts the people who choose to exclude 2 keys from their keysets. Especially now that GBs are more of a money grab rather than an actual group buy these days.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:27:04
Link for the ill informed?OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Who uses that board?
Way more people than you'd like to admit, and you know it. Still the most retarded "controversy" to happen to the hobby within the last few years, and it only hurts the people who choose to exclude 2 keys from their keysets. Especially now that GBs are more of a money grab rather than an actual group buy these days.
Post by: Hedgey on Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:29:55
Lets not derail this thread with Van drama. Its still not even a proper IC yet.....OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Who uses that board?
Way more people than you'd like to admit, and you know it. Still the most retarded "controversy" to happen to the hobby within the last few years, and it only hurts the people who choose to exclude 2 keys from their keysets. Especially now that GBs are more of a money grab rather than an actual group buy these days.
Sure but let’s keep posting pictures of shoes.....
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 18 October 2019, 17:46:45
should see some movement shortly...
Post by: ThePanduuh on Fri, 18 October 2019, 17:57:58
Some people just want to watch the world burn, some people just want to see bad interest checks be removed :)
edited to remove a bad word
Post by: mrpetrov on Fri, 18 October 2019, 19:08:16
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Hedgey, no need to be rude mate. Do you actually speak to people like this when you're not behind a keyboard?
Post by: Hedgey on Fri, 18 October 2019, 20:42:01
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Hedgey, no need to be rude mate. Do you actually speak to people like this when you're not behind a keyboard?
This is one of the laziest attempts at an IC I’ve ever seen. It’s very clear that this is going to be a popular set, but why not actually do the IC when you have renders, info, etc...Instead she’s using this as a marketing or teaser, and a very poor one at that.
Also, she’s removed compatibility that was in R1 because she’s partnered up with someone who is STILL partaking in one of the most dumb boycotts in this hobby. Why remove an entire group of users from your potential pool of buyers? It’s asinine how this has lingered, and people need to get a beer together or hug it out or whatever.
Finally, yeah bro, I’m in sales so I have no problem speaking my mind. It’s amazing how many people ****foot around each other on the internet and are afraid of telling others the truth.
Post by: ThePanduuh on Fri, 18 October 2019, 20:48:34
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 18 October 2019, 20:52:59
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Hedgey, no need to be rude mate. Do you actually speak to people like this when you're not behind a keyboard?
This is one of the laziest attempts at an IC I’ve ever seen. It’s very clear that this is going to be a popular set, but why not actually do the IC when you have renders, info, etc...Instead she’s using this as a marketing or teaser, and a very poor one at that.
Also, she’s removed compatibility that was in R1 because she’s partnered up with someone who is STILL partaking in one of the most dumb boycotts in this hobby. Why remove an entire group of users from your potential pool of buyers? It’s asinine how this has lingered, and people need to get a beer together or hug it out or whatever.
Finally, yeah bro, I’m in sales so I have no problem speaking my mind. It’s amazing how many people ****foot around each other on the internet and are afraid of telling others the truth.
Doesn’t mean you need to be a **** about it
Post by: rionlion100 on Fri, 18 October 2019, 20:58:36
Post by: slxdegrees on Fri, 18 October 2019, 21:13:44
148 comments without a single render. That sounds like it's being marketed alright to me. Marketing is not as one-dimensional as you make it out to be. Then again, what would you know - you're in sales.OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Hedgey, no need to be rude mate. Do you actually speak to people like this when you're not behind a keyboard?
This is one of the laziest attempts at an IC I’ve ever seen. It’s very clear that this is going to be a popular set, but why not actually do the IC when you have renders, info, etc...Instead she’s using this as a marketing or teaser, and a very poor one at that.
Also, she’s removed compatibility that was in R1 because she’s partnered up with someone who is STILL partaking in one of the most dumb boycotts in this hobby. Why remove an entire group of users from your potential pool of buyers? It’s asinine how this has lingered, and people need to get a beer together or hug it out or whatever.
Finally, yeah bro, I’m in sales so I have no problem speaking my mind. It’s amazing how many people ****foot around each other on the internet and are afraid of telling others the truth.
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Post by: mrkantz on Fri, 18 October 2019, 21:18:48
Post by: mrkantz on Fri, 18 October 2019, 21:19:10
Post by: Lumenoctis on Fri, 18 October 2019, 21:38:28
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 18 October 2019, 21:40:11
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 18 October 2019, 21:43:21
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?Oh it's 101% coming.
It's the second round.
Same set as before but also more (hence the ++), like this new all-dark kit (https://www.instagram.com/p/B3XQp56lueP/).
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 18 October 2019, 21:51:59
Bro, how long have you been around? This community is just a designer circle jerk where well known designers are deities that can do no wrong. Fall in line, droneOP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Like she even gives a damn. This stupid set is going to sell 1K plus units and it won't matter whatever feedback she takes.
(Like getting rid of van support because she caved to "not supporting Evan" from the other person helping her out....)
Hedgey, no need to be rude mate. Do you actually speak to people like this when you're not behind a keyboard?
This is one of the laziest attempts at an IC I’ve ever seen. It’s very clear that this is going to be a popular set, but why not actually do the IC when you have renders, info, etc...Instead she’s using this as a marketing or teaser, and a very poor one at that.
Also, she’s removed compatibility that was in R1 because she’s partnered up with someone who is STILL partaking in one of the most dumb boycotts in this hobby. Why remove an entire group of users from your potential pool of buyers? It’s asinine how this has lingered, and people need to get a beer together or hug it out or whatever.
Finally, yeah bro, I’m in sales so I have no problem speaking my mind. It’s amazing how many people ****foot around each other on the internet and are afraid of telling others the truth.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 18 October 2019, 22:38:38
148 comments without a single render. That sounds like it's being marketed alright to me. Marketing is not as one-dimensional as you make it out to be. Then again, what would you know - you're in sales.
The set is obviously incredible popular and people know what round 2 is gonna look (just about) like; has very little to do with marketing per se, it's just what it is.
Post by: Hedgey on Fri, 18 October 2019, 22:42:29
Bro, how long have you been around? This community is just a designer circle jerk where well known designers are deities that can do no wrong. Fall in line, drone
:)) :)) ;)
Post by: olivia on Fri, 18 October 2019, 22:52:42
Will buy 100%
But please don't make this a remix of Olivia, we want the same colors please!
New desk-mats are welcome though.
Thank you
They will be the same colors, and there will be desk mats!
Not that I want to be that guy (who am I kidding here?), but... what will the kit's coverage be? Same as before? Will some omissions be not ommited anymore? Will anything be taken off?
The kits will be very different from the original GB to support the 2 different color modes.
Do you even dare to hope for a NorDEUK kit?
There will not be a NorDEUK kit, only UK ISO.
OP (@olivia), this thread currently provides no useful information and is not soliciting feedback on the design of the set (the whole purpose of an IC post). This is just an ad tease, with puzzles to increase engagement. Please update the OP with some relevant information and/or engage with the community in response to their feedback for the set.
Thank you for the advisory HoffmanMyster, I updated the OP with more information.
I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.
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I am using text mods, so there won't be the adjusted icon legends.
Colvrak?
I know you said no before, but, Colemak would be really ****ing nice.
Thank you for the great feedback guys! My good friend JohnWest recently posted something, if you have some time, give it a listen!Solve fast get gifts? Colevrak?
https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp (https://soundcloud.com/user-695656261/agloawhp)
Please include colevrak. You know this kit has hype behind it. I have faith a colevrak kit would hit MOQ with the hype. Even if it doesn't, the base kits + other kits sold to colevrak users would certainly cover it, right?
ne r3 1.25 enter avail?
also vim kit pls
R5 Bottom row option please <2
Apologies, there will be no Colverak, Colemak, R3 1.25 Enter or R5 kit <2
Post by: edasaur on Fri, 18 October 2019, 23:27:39
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
Should've been ++Olivia 😉😉
Post by: AT on Fri, 18 October 2019, 23:32:06
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 19 October 2019, 11:29:11
If it isn't feedback on the set, don't post it.
Let's stop with personal attacks and derailing.
Post by: radam on Sun, 20 October 2019, 08:19:39
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
So, now that olivia = R2, running olivia++ again after this round would technically be R3?
Post by: PocketAces on Sun, 20 October 2019, 08:39:02
Also, hoping for a 1.75u shift.
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Post by: lolafineday on Sun, 20 October 2019, 08:42:25
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Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 20 October 2019, 09:11:43
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
So, now that olivia = R2, running olivia++ again after this round would technically be R3?
Haha I suppose it would be, yeah you got the idea.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Sun, 20 October 2019, 11:36:24
Cleaned this thread up.
If it isn't feedback on the set, don't post it.
Let's stop with personal attacks and derailing.
Think you missed some :))
Post by: patientyogurtcloset on Sun, 20 October 2019, 23:04:55
Post by: killermax on Sun, 20 October 2019, 23:38:29
Post by: Myk! on Mon, 21 October 2019, 22:48:13
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 21 October 2019, 23:30:25
What is the base kit color? Is it dark? The light alphas will be sold as kit?
believe white alphas but i'm kind of out of the loop on specifics for this GB as of late
that was correct last i heard, though
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Mon, 21 October 2019, 23:37:53
Post by: architones on Tue, 22 October 2019, 03:49:05
I hope the default set will be the black kit. Though to be honest, I just want the mods so I can combine it with Kuro Shiro.
Just a head's up, but if you plan on mixing ePBT with GMK, ePBT keycaps sit slightly higher (i.e. taller) than GMK keycaps. Hopefully that doesn't bother you too much.
Post by: NimbleTortoise on Tue, 22 October 2019, 05:45:04
I hope the default set will be the black kit. Though to be honest, I just want the mods so I can combine it with Kuro Shiro.
Just a head's up, but if you plan on mixing ePBT with GMK, ePBT keycaps sit slightly higher (i.e. taller) than GMK keycaps. Hopefully that doesn't bother you too much.
Thanks for letting me know. I've heard people say they mstch so I assumed they'd sit at same height. But it probably wouldn't bother me if it were just alphas vs mods.
Post by: Lumenoctis on Wed, 23 October 2019, 04:19:02
I'm in Intermediate Java and I still didn't know... Sigh... But thank you for clarifying!This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
Post by: Lumenoctis on Wed, 23 October 2019, 04:19:48
Thank you for the clarification!This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?Oh it's 101% coming.
It's the second round.
Same set as before but also more (hence the ++), like this new all-dark kit (https://www.instagram.com/p/B3XQp56lueP/).
Post by: KebinPls on Sun, 27 October 2019, 11:31:55
Post by: Deadboy on Sun, 27 October 2019, 11:47:55
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Post by: namvu257 on Wed, 30 October 2019, 14:07:03
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Post by: shansoft on Wed, 30 October 2019, 16:18:28
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
So, now that olivia = R2, running olivia++ again after this round would technically be R3?
Next would probably called Olivia#..... ^-^
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 30 October 2019, 17:38:43
This is the first thing I wanted to buy on Geekhack and I hope it comes true! Question: Is Olivia++ the same color as the previous ones and the '++' just indicates this is the third round or have they been revised?
++ is a programming short version of olivia = olivia + 1 so it’s incrementing by 1. This will be round 2!
So, now that olivia = R2, running olivia++ again after this round would technically be R3?
Next would probably called Olivia#..... ^-^
EEEEEEEWWWW.
It should clearly be Olivia+=2.
Post by: lamenthe on Wed, 30 October 2019, 23:32:51
Post by: Tennstrong on Thu, 31 October 2019, 01:24:34
Just to say in case you haven't already considered- adjusted icons could still be used for arrow keys (I noticed they were old arrow alignment in the jules render (https://www.instagram.com/p/B2kWFpHF0_F)). Might look better with the centered aligned text bottom row, either way I'm happy but I just wanted to bring that to your attention :)I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.
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I am using text mods, so there won't be the adjusted icon legends.
Set looks great, one of the very select few that I would call "bucket-list" for myself within keyboards as a whole. Unfortunately I couldn't achieve my other grail of camping + novs (r1) this year, but this has more than made up for it! Will be 100% be getting base, dark alphas, and possibly whatever other accent/nov kits are offered... maybe a rama or two as well.... All/almost all of the rest of my keycap budget for the year has been set aside for olivia++ since its announcement, the only other consideration being.. GMK Olive extras! Damn you make beautiful sets haha
Cheers, wishing you the best of luck! (though you probably don't need it heh)
Tenn
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 31 October 2019, 02:12:32
I'd like to add that there are those of us who completely disagree with 9009 R3's unnecesaary legend re-alignment & thus are happy that this annoying change has not been picked up (so far) by other keysets.Just to say in case you haven't already considered- adjusted icons could still be used for arrow keys (I noticed they were old arrow alignment in the jules render (https://www.instagram.com/p/B2kWFpHF0_F)). Might look better with the centered aligned text bottom row, either way I'm happy but I just wanted to bring that to your attention :)I hope this is going to have the improved legends (like 9009 R3), probably going to buy multiple sets anyway though.
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I am using text mods, so there won't be the adjusted icon legends.
Set looks great, one of the very select few that I would call "bucket-list" for myself within keyboards as a whole. Unfortunately I couldn't achieve my other grail of camping + novs (r1) this year, but this has more than made up for it! Will be 100% be getting base, dark alphas, and possibly whatever other accent/nov kits are offered... maybe a rama or two as well.... All/almost all of the rest of my keycap budget for the year has been set aside for olivia++ since its announcement, the only other consideration being.. GMK Olive extras! Damn you make beautiful sets haha
Cheers, wishing you the best of luck! (though you probably don't need it heh)
Tenn
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 31 October 2019, 08:00:43
I'd like to add that there are those of us who completely disagree with 9009 R3's unnecesaary legend re-alignment & thus are happy that this annoying change has not been picked up (so far) by other keysets.
And you're definitely not alone in that line of thinking (as much as we may disagree in other stuff).
Post by: needmorewood on Thu, 31 October 2019, 20:59:27
Post by: valkyr1e on Fri, 01 November 2019, 10:08:38
Is the design for the deskmat going to be the same as R1? Or will there be a new graphic?
Post by: AidenHero on Fri, 01 November 2019, 13:19:02
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Post by: factoryofidols on Mon, 04 November 2019, 16:01:30
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Post by: Tonkatonk on Mon, 04 November 2019, 17:43:42
Is there a possibility for a Canadian vendor? avoiding the hidden fees is really nice and i think deskhero has been doing a really good job with the sets that have recently ran"Hidden fees" What an interesting way for you to call your countries customs, duties and import regulations.
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Post by: kraken_kr on Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:18:55
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:55:50
Post by: megaforce on Mon, 04 November 2019, 22:20:13
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 04 November 2019, 22:29:17
imagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019
just use blanks or adapt like an adult
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 04 November 2019, 22:57:18
imagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019
just use blanks or adapt like an adult
What about NorDeUK
Can we have this added to every base
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 04 November 2019, 23:04:04
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 04 November 2019, 23:42:31
imagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019
just use blanks or adapt like an adult
What about NorDeUK
Can we have this added to every base
just use blanks
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 05 November 2019, 06:42:23
imagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019Imagine typing in QWERTY in 2019.
Post by: kraken_kr on Tue, 05 November 2019, 10:09:55
Is there a possibility for a Canadian vendor? avoiding the hidden fees is really nice and i think deskhero has been doing a really good job with the sets that have recently ranSecond this...We really need a Canadian proxy please
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 05 November 2019, 10:13:27
blanks pleaseThe dream
Post by: appaboy on Tue, 05 November 2019, 10:54:44
my hands are breaking as im typing thisimagine asking for colvrak kit in 2019Imagine typing in QWERTY in 2019.
Post by: MrBIGEURO on Tue, 05 November 2019, 11:51:37
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Post by: honoka on Tue, 05 November 2019, 13:36:46
What type of IC is this with no input wanted or needed from the community?
I'm confucious.
Post by: blakstealth on Tue, 05 November 2019, 13:56:25
So less than a month before start of GB and still no kits or real information in OP.yeah, it's sad. It doesn't feel like much of an IC knowing that tons of people will jump on it regardless of lack of information.
What type of IC is this with no input wanted or needed from the community?
I'm confucious.
Post by: ctrlshiftba on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:04:26
Post by: OtherAndrew on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:05:09
Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.
:weirdchamp:
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:14:36
Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:18:30
Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:26:54
I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:30:51
I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
Post by: nickel8448 on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:34:47
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:40:19
Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
Post by: ab042896 on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:41:39
I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
IMO, if feedback is not at least recognized, even if nothing ends up changing, then a thread ends up being nothing more than an advert. Not necessarily a bad thing mind you, these group buys must conjure up enough attention to reach MOQs in some way. It's just disappointing when presented under false pretenses.
That being said, this is a great set that will no doubt do well anyways, so I suppose any changes (if there are any) from R1 will not determine the overall success up the GB.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:51:52
I mean, feedback from day 1 was literally just denying any and all proposed changes, further proving your point lol: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102914.msg2823313#msg2823313I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
That's all fine and dandy, but I agree, this thread only exists as a hype shill. If that's all IC's are for then by all means it should stay, but otherwise it should go to the vendor board.
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:58:09
Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
Well what about this scenario,
I wanna make a set and I know I'm going to run it but I want to run it through IC first to gauge interest before wasting my time and failing MOQ.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 05 November 2019, 15:06:21
That's a great scenario for an interest check. It also doesn't apply to one of the most hype sets in the community lol. Olivia++ would meet a MOQ in the first week (or sooner) without any form of publicity, let alone an IC. You know how many neckbeards have been thirsting for this set since R1 hit mailboxes?Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
Well what about this scenario,
I wanna make a set and I know I'm going to run it but I want to run it through IC first to gauge interest before wasting my time and failing MOQ.
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 05 November 2019, 15:12:39
You damn well know there is a lot more necessary to running an keyset than just posting an idea or proof of concept. I've made by point.Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
Well what about this scenario,
I wanna make a set and I know I'm going to run it but I want to run it through IC first to gauge interest before wasting my time and failing MOQ.
Post by: Tonkatonk on Tue, 05 November 2019, 16:14:28
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 05 November 2019, 16:24:57
Interest check != Feedback checkSo it is just a hype platform? I'm cool either way, I just want it to be clear for myself and everyone/anyone else who thinks it is something besides that
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Post by: ctrlshiftba on Tue, 05 November 2019, 16:32:03
Interest check != Feedback checkSo it is just a hype platform? I'm cool either way, I just want it to be clear for myself and everyone/anyone else who thinks it is something besides that
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Depends for big name designers or GMK key sets that have base kits that aren’t too weird it’s just hype. For everything else they still function as feedback and product design mechanisms.
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 05 November 2019, 16:55:48
You damn well know there is a lot more necessary to running an keyset than just posting an idea or proof of concept. I've made by point.Yes. And that is exactly why it belongs in a subforum that is designated for advertising.I think I have said this before in this very thread, but do you honestly believe any kit changes will be made from the time this was posted to the GB stage?Mega sets like this don’t need real Interest checks. Just more marketing which is basically what this is. Get hyped.So it should probably be on a vendor subforum instead of one that is used for gauging interest and community feedback.
It's only here because a majority of users exclusively browse this subforum.
I have mixed feelings about the IC sub forum.
It does have "Interest" in it's name, and technically it is gathering said "interest".
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it's an "Interest" Check with feedback accepted.
I'm just one man though, or am I?
99% chance kits have been decided long ago and will not change no matter the feeedback.
I mean, they haven't even been posted yet. We might be stuck with pink spacebar in base again for all we know.
Okay, let me rephrase
Feedback is welcomed, but not required.
Well what about this scenario,
I wanna make a set and I know I'm going to run it but I want to run it through IC first to gauge interest before wasting my time and failing MOQ.
I'm just explaining how some people may process the subforum.
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 05 November 2019, 17:03:25
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 05 November 2019, 17:07:08
fking boomers in here are insanewho ****ing cuts greninja
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 05 November 2019, 17:10:33
fking boomers in here are insanewho ****ing cuts greninja
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
Bro I know right? Not having legendaries is one thing, but cutting all the starters except for one is some scrub trash. Gamefreak litterally being ran by 40% Ortho users.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 05 November 2019, 20:02:51
fking boomers in here are insane
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
i agree with my son
it's ****ing keycaps, if you're that desperate to have them a certain way, then run the expansion kit yourself
Post by: gecruz on Tue, 05 November 2019, 20:15:55
Post by: kolyz on Tue, 05 November 2019, 21:44:55
fking boomers in here are insane
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
I've noticed the increase in new accounts asking for canadian proxies, and as a canadian, this worries me a little.
What's the deal?
Post by: bball2 on Tue, 05 November 2019, 22:05:12
fking boomers in here are insane
If only you put this much passion into #BringBackNationalDex we can have Ivysaur and typhlosion in Pokemon Sword and Shield instead of complaining about adding garbage colveak kits and other silly international kits that will never hit moq.
Smfh
Also what is up with these new accounts with post count of under 5 asking for CA proxies. Some fishy stuff going on here.
I've noticed the increase in new accounts asking for canadian proxies, and as a canadian, this worries me a little.
What's the deal?
I dunno it seems nice to have a Canadian proxy. Ie) for the gmk umbra set pricing seems to be about the same as ordering from deskhero.ca vs. kono store but you don't get hit with the extra $15-20 stupid "handling fees" from DHL or USPS. You also get to pay in Canadian funds so depending on your payment method you're saving an extra 3-5% conversion fees.
Not sure why so many people are against this.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Tue, 05 November 2019, 22:34:47
Post by: tableadventurer on Wed, 06 November 2019, 10:39:19
Post by: L8T on Wed, 06 November 2019, 11:30:23
Post by: jerrolds on Wed, 06 November 2019, 11:50:50
I heard the guy who runs deskhero.ca is jacked. Not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. Yall are pathetic if you dont let him be the Canadian proxy for this set.
Lol - mostly true!
Would absolutely love to be able to proxy for Olivia++, I've already reached out to Olivia (i think anyways, the messaging system doesnt have it as a "sent" message weird). But i've talked to NK and he's great but probably wants to take care of NA for now - but I'm ready to help should he need heh
My wife is crazy for Olivia++ and it would be so sick if i could help with that ha
I've been super active on the Canadian Mech Keyboard Discord and other keyset specific servers (Cafe, Apollo, etc), as well as reddit /r/mechmarket - not so much on GH though.
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 06 November 2019, 12:05:03
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 06 November 2019, 12:06:44
Barely a month left for GB and we have no info on kits and pricing :< I hope it doesnt get delayed!
All that info is coming soon. This won’t delay the GB. It will start on Dec 1.
Post by: Rexcramer on Wed, 06 November 2019, 12:55:47
Post by: brln on Wed, 06 November 2019, 15:14:50
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 06 November 2019, 15:33:45
Please add a NorDE / international kit. I need this set in my life and on my boards :-*
I'd also love to see a NorDEUK kit
rip...
Post by: Imperilous on Wed, 06 November 2019, 16:19:44
Post by: Jude. on Wed, 06 November 2019, 22:40:48
Post by: honoka on Thu, 07 November 2019, 02:21:28
I don't agree how this platform is used. But then again I don't know the guidelines for the IC forum. But I do know there is a section for vendors.
Post by: heyjaykay on Thu, 07 November 2019, 05:17:15
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Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 07 November 2019, 06:32:36
Are we expecting a price hike for Olivia++?
price++
Post by: Moustacher on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:45:42
Post by: nappis on Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:12:16
Post by: honoka on Thu, 07 November 2019, 10:37:59
This IC is ****e
Yes! Beyond ****e. I have been trying to raise awareness but fan boisss are stuck in Stockholm syndrome :)
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 07 November 2019, 10:47:09
Interest checks are hype train ad space once you become too big to failThis IC is ****e
Yes! Beyond ****e. I have been trying to raise awareness but fan boisss are stuck in Stockholm syndrome :)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Thu, 07 November 2019, 10:50:42
I wonder what r2 of an existing set. I can't use the search feature to find what this set looks like...Interest checks are hype train ad space once you become too big to failThis IC is ****e
Yes! Beyond ****e. I have been trying to raise awareness but fan boisss are stuck in Stockholm syndrome :)
What a tragedy
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Post by: bukowski on Fri, 08 November 2019, 02:04:40
What about NorDeUKSince this is going to be even more popular than Oblivion v2 I have no doubt that we will get NorDeUK. It will reach MOQ in an instant. :-)
Can we have this added to every base
Post by: andtar2 on Fri, 08 November 2019, 02:50:55
Post by: Kerasan on Fri, 08 November 2019, 04:37:41
Post by: msting on Fri, 08 November 2019, 12:29:12
Doubt we'll get a Colevrak kit but if so, Merry Christmas to ME!
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 08 November 2019, 13:11:32
Really anxious to see the kits offered!?It was confirmed that there will be no Colevrak or Nordeuk kits in an earlier comment
Doubt we'll get a Colevrak kit but if so, Merry Christmas to ME!
Post by: wholypantalones on Fri, 08 November 2019, 19:45:41
Post by: honoka on Sat, 09 November 2019, 04:31:32
Post by: bukowski on Sat, 09 November 2019, 12:55:58
Post by: lolafineday on Sat, 09 November 2019, 12:57:00
Can we organize that ourselfs without the original creator of the set? I mean GMK lets you choose colours and pick kits, so technically there is no need for the one true Olivia to run GMK Olivia Colevrak/NorDeUK right?Maybe you could you just gotta ask olivia for permission, as gmk wouldn't let you run without that.
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Post by: jakereps on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:08:02
Can we organize that ourselfs without the original creator of the set? I mean GMK lets you choose colours and pick kits, so technically there is no need for the one true Olivia to run GMK Olivia Colevrak/NorDeUK right?Maybe you could you just gotta ask olivia for permission, as gmk wouldn't let you run without that.
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Is that actually the case? I'm not advocating for doing a run w/o designer permissions, but I thought GMK will make you whatever you want - I thought it's community blowback that stops people from running others sets/colors?
Post by: digid3ar on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:37:32
Can we organize that ourselfs without the original creator of the set? I mean GMK lets you choose colours and pick kits, so technically there is no need for the one true Olivia to run GMK Olivia Colevrak/NorDeUK right?Maybe you could you just gotta ask olivia for permission, as gmk wouldn't let you run without that.
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Is that actually the case? I'm not advocating for doing a run w/o designer permissions, but I thought GMK will make you whatever you want - I thought it's community blowback that stops people from running others sets/colors?
from what i know, gmk wont do it, because is a custom color, kingnestea explained that even if kono store wants to run gmk camping, gmk would ask for his permission, so in context you could run an addon pack if its not using custom colors i guess.
Post by: honoka on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:59:43
I dont see why permission wouldn't be granted though. Selling more base kits without needing to worry about norde and colevrak moq '
should be a win-win.
Post by: brln on Sat, 09 November 2019, 15:57:02
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
Post by: KingOfMemes on Sat, 09 November 2019, 17:07:28
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?IC's aren't for gauging demand, they are for producing hype.
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
Post by: brln on Sat, 09 November 2019, 17:32:59
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?IC's aren't for gauging demand, they are for producing hype.
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
So... interests checks aren't for checking interest ??
Post by: Tonkatonk on Sat, 09 November 2019, 17:38:20
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Sat, 09 November 2019, 18:04:29
Correct, just look at this threadCan't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?IC's aren't for gauging demand, they are for producing hype.
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
So... interests checks aren't for checking interest ??
Post by: honoka on Sun, 10 November 2019, 05:21:42
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
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I would buy 100 of each just to prove you wrong. You not being interested in something does not mean much. You are one person. You have one opinion. Now imagine many people with many different opinions.
Post by: bukowski on Sun, 10 November 2019, 05:34:26
This is not the csgo-subreddit. Find somewhere else to be a douche.Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
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I would buy 100 of each just to prove you wrong. You not being interested in something does not mean much. You are one person. You have one opinion. Now imagine many people with many different opinions.Lets split, I‘ll go for 50 as well ;-)
Post by: Imperilous on Sun, 10 November 2019, 07:51:51
I'll join the split. 33,33 sets each ;)I would buy 100 of each just to prove you wrong. You not being interested in something does not mean much. You are one person. You have one opinion. Now imagine many people with many different opinions.Lets split, I‘ll go for 50 as well ;-)
Post by: Tonkatonk on Sun, 10 November 2019, 09:21:04
Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
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I would buy 100 of each just to prove you wrong. You not being interested in something does not mean much. You are one person. You have one opinion. Now imagine many people with many different opinions.
It's the same story in every thread. Look at the lastest oblivion: 1.6k base kits sold, 61 colverak and 113 international kits. Jamon: 846 base, 37 iso kits. 9009 R3: 445 base, 11 norde kits.
If I was designing a keyset, I wouldn't waste time on child kits sell an average of 4% compared to moq. So if you really want to prove me wrong go ahead spend the 5k getting the child kits to moq. Because if you're looking at it from a business perspective, you're not selling 100 norde kits unless 2.6k+ units of Olivia++ sell.
Post by: brln on Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:40:47
a) ignore this fraction just because they're below some threshold (you individually have in mind)
b) be a **** about it.
From my perspective it's the whole point within this interest check thread to indicate interest on these kits. Contrary to the opinion of others...
Post by: KingOfMemes on Sun, 10 November 2019, 13:37:55
I'd love to know where you get the numbers on your proposed losses of alternative kits to the overall sale. Oblivion's original moq for 125$ was 500 base kits. It surpassed it so far that a new price drop at 1000 kits came into play. It eventually ended up at over 3 times the original moq of 500. Colverak and International both hit past their moq, so I don't know how that fits "the same story," but I would LOVE to pretend for a second that they did not for the sake of helping your argument and getting insight on how they "aren't worth it". Let's pretend only 1 of each kit sold with their moq's of 50 units. I'd pretend 0 sold, but then the kit would just be scrapped, no harm no foul. You're looking at 49u*$57 + 49u*75 = $6368 lost by running AND fulfilling the kits, and that's only the absolute worst case. You expect all of us to believe that 3xing the base kit moq got impacted heavily by alternative layouts? ****, how many of base kits (or addons) do you think would not have been purchased without alternative layout kits?Can't we just do some poll or so beforehand? To gauge if the overall demand for these extra sets is there?Go ahead, build the kits get a quote from GMK, sell 3 norde and colevrak kits and then refund it and call it a day
I don't understand why you wouldn't run those; I can't imagine not hitting the MOQ is the reason...
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I would buy 100 of each just to prove you wrong. You not being interested in something does not mean much. You are one person. You have one opinion. Now imagine many people with many different opinions.
It's the same story in every thread. Look at the lastest oblivion: 1.6k base kits sold, 61 colverak and 113 international kits. Jamon: 846 base, 37 iso kits. 9009 R3: 445 base, 11 norde kits.
If I was designing a keyset, I wouldn't waste time on child kits sell an average of 4% compared to moq. So if you really want to prove me wrong go ahead spend the 5k getting the child kits to moq. Because if you're looking at it from a business perspective, you're not selling 100 norde kits unless 2.6k+ units of Olivia++ sell.
I'm an alternative layout user, and I'm very down telling alternative layout users to get ****ed. Seriously I mean that. All I ask is that people say it how it is. Don't beat around the bush and try to use some weird pseudo logic to justify not running the kits on hype sets like oblivion or olivia, how it's 'not worth it'.
Post by: Lazy_Borzoi on Sun, 10 November 2019, 14:31:51
What do you guys think?
Post by: KingOfMemes on Sun, 10 November 2019, 14:39:30
I feel like this set will break all records in terms of sets bought.Of course it will
What do you guys think?
Post by: bukowski on Sun, 10 November 2019, 14:39:52
I feel like this set will break all records in terms of sets bought.Yes it probably will. Thats why its so embarassing that regarding olivia++ the "custom" in our "custom keyboard community" means "ansi" and thats it.
What do you guys think?
Post by: InsightIsUseful on Sun, 10 November 2019, 19:04:33
Post by: megaforce on Sun, 10 November 2019, 20:08:23
A Canadian source like deskhero.ca would be greatly appreciated! It’s a big hassle to get it via other sources.
stop
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Sun, 10 November 2019, 20:20:51
A Canadian source like deskhero.ca would be greatly appreciated! It’s a big hassle to get it via other sources.
I pressume this is the proxy you're talking about?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102914.msg2830761#msg2830761
proxies confirmed, not sure your proxy is included
Sorry everyone. Proxies are all confirmed at this point.
Post by: jooobe on Sun, 10 November 2019, 20:33:26
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Post by: olivia on Sun, 10 November 2019, 22:13:43
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 10 November 2019, 23:28:46
Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Can't argue with "NTdJWkNKQ1BRL3ZScUYxeGMyNHU3M0pQZlBMVlFnR0VKMXNGVlo4RFRLVHlyVEpWUEtqVHZrL2lZVDdJb0pseg==⠀"
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Mon, 11 November 2019, 00:25:37
Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Can't argue with "NTdJWkNKQ1BRL3ZScUYxeGMyNHU3M0pQZlBMVlFnR0VKMXNGVlo4RFRLVHlyVEpWUEtqVHZrL2lZVDdJb0pseg==⠀"
somebody please translate... I mean decode :-X
Post by: msting on Mon, 11 November 2019, 07:45:25
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:48:33
https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzenThank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Can't argue with "NTdJWkNKQ1BRL3ZScUYxeGMyNHU3M0pQZlBMVlFnR0VKMXNGVlo4RFRLVHlyVEpWUEtqVHZrL2lZVDdJb0pseg==⠀"
somebody please translate... I mean decode :-X
Post by: dexie on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:53:43
Zambumon's Instagram post is another puzzle, not decoded yet.https://www.keebtalk.com/t/solving-round-1-of-the-olivia-ic/7287?u=cijanzenThank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
Can't argue with "NTdJWkNKQ1BRL3ZScUYxeGMyNHU3M0pQZlBMVlFnR0VKMXNGVlo4RFRLVHlyVEpWUEtqVHZrL2lZVDdJb0pseg==⠀"
somebody please translate... I mean decode :-X
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Post by: audiosl4ve on Mon, 11 November 2019, 09:20:15
Post by: lemongrassii on Mon, 11 November 2019, 09:56:47
(https://i.imgur.com/d4hVYab.png)
Post by: GMK_Andy on Mon, 11 November 2019, 12:58:26
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 11 November 2019, 15:20:37
if it's Zambumon then i bet it just says "NO"
No.
buy 40s everyoneShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/d4hVYab.png)
No.
Post by: PocketAces on Mon, 11 November 2019, 15:24:42
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Post by: Rayndalf on Mon, 11 November 2019, 17:46:05
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 11 November 2019, 20:16:30
While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
that's a no
Post by: Pulstura on Mon, 11 November 2019, 20:56:29
Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 11 November 2019, 21:13:28
Is there anymore news about this?What news are you looking for? It's launching December 1st
Post by: joerush25 on Tue, 12 November 2019, 00:02:56
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 12 November 2019, 00:42:28
While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Who could take these risks? Novelkeys? Mykeyboard.eu? Daily Clack?
And what risks, exactly? Do you mean praying this sells 1,500 base kits and NorDeUK kit gets 5% (optimistic) and hits a 75 MOQ?
And what if it doesn't? Who has to buy up the MOQ? All the proxies who can't sell NorDeUK kits?
And should the NorDeUK be light or dark alphas? Or both?
It's almost like there are deciding factors other than courage.
Color me surprised.
Post by: bukowski on Tue, 12 November 2019, 03:47:14
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 12 November 2019, 04:36:39
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).
Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't post on geekhack.
I'll crawl back under a rock now.
Peace.
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 12 November 2019, 06:19:44
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).tldr: switch to ansi
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 12 November 2019, 06:31:00
On a serious note; excited to see what kits will be, especially for the all-dark options :)
Post by: Digitize on Tue, 12 November 2019, 09:57:56
thank goodness I’m simple with my ANSI asssh layout.
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Post by: mrpetrov on Tue, 12 November 2019, 10:15:40
•\O_O/•.....???? my reaction the the weird conversations above but...
thank goodness I’m simple with my ANSI asssh layout.
You're lucky you were born with ANSI privilege.
Post by: bukowski on Tue, 12 November 2019, 11:10:08
Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't post on geekhack.Sorry for contributing to your bad experience on these forums. But if you make (weak) points you should also be able to defend them. And you don‘t learn that by „crawling under a rock“ everytime you encounter the slightest bit of controversy. ;-)
tldr: switch to ansiYeah but then again: not exactly my idea of a „custom“ keyboard community.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 12 November 2019, 11:19:06
Lol how long have you been around? The second anyone hints at an alt layout you are met with "Nah **** you, it's bad lul." And don't EVER expect any indepth explanation beyond that lol. "But if you make (weak) points you should also be able to defend them." You will never get numbers, or logic, or explanations for anything. Pretentious, snide remarks are all you'll ever get. You are a drone in the hive. Act like it and fall in line.Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't post on geekhack.Sorry for contributing to your bad experience on these forums. But if you make (weak) points you should also be able to defend them. And you don‘t learn that by „crawling under a rock“ everytime you encounter the slightest bit of controvery. ;-)tldr: switch to ansiYeah but then again: not exactly my idea of a „custom“ keyboard community.
Post by: L8T on Tue, 12 November 2019, 12:19:55
Post by: ian13 on Tue, 12 November 2019, 21:07:07
Thank you very much for bringing this back. I hope this will also be a huge success like what R1 did. :)
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:01:25
While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Who could take these risks? Novelkeys? Mykeyboard.eu? Daily Clack?
And what risks, exactly? Do you mean praying this sells 1,500 base kits and NorDeUK kit gets 5% (optimistic) and hits a 75 MOQ?
And what if it doesn't? Who has to buy up the MOQ? All the proxies who can't sell NorDeUK kits?
And should the NorDeUK be light or dark alphas? Or both?
It's almost like there are deciding factors other than courage.
Color me surprised.
For starters, the legends that are universally available to anyone to use (languages, cadet, ascii,etc) aren't charged to the buys in any of these cases, GMK foots this bill.
NorDeUK is never easy to hit MOQ really, there is always risk inherently involved here. They can and do hit, but it is often a struggle and never a guarantee still these days.
Hard to talk about taking "risks" when you aren't footing the money, as Wilba stated rather well.
To me a lot of sensible decisions have been made in terms of the design. This is a great set, and I'm sure Olivia will knock set design out of the park.
PS, <3 you Wilba :-*
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:05:21
tldr: switch to ansiYeah but then again: not exactly my idea of a „custom“ keyboard community.
i use blanks for two reasons
1) i think they look better
2) i use colemak and >lol getting a colemak kit produced in a color i actually want
adapt
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:53:03
What are the numbers? What are the actual risks? What is a scenario where this actually happened and someone was deeply regretful for including nordeuk? How badly, in money, could a hype set like Olivia failing a moq on nordeuk really screw someone over?While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Who could take these risks? Novelkeys? Mykeyboard.eu? Daily Clack?
And what risks, exactly? Do you mean praying this sells 1,500 base kits and NorDeUK kit gets 5% (optimistic) and hits a 75 MOQ?
And what if it doesn't? Who has to buy up the MOQ? All the proxies who can't sell NorDeUK kits?
And should the NorDeUK be light or dark alphas? Or both?
It's almost like there are deciding factors other than courage.
Color me surprised.
For starters, the legends that are universally available to anyone to use (languages, cadet, ascii,etc) aren't charged to the buys in any of these cases, GMK foots this bill.
NorDeUK is never easy to hit MOQ really, there is always risk inherently involved here. They can and do hit, but it is often a struggle and never a guarantee still these days.
Hard to talk about taking "risks" when you aren't footing the money, as Wilba stated rather well.
To me a lot of sensible decisions have been made in terms of the design. This is a great set, and I'm sure Olivia will knock set design out of the park.
PS, <3 you Wilba :-*
I don't use nordeuk. I'm all for telling people to just stfu about nordeuk, but nobody ever gives them a good reason to. It's always just snide remarks. "Hard to talk about risks when you aren't fronting the money". Yeah sure. Let's put these people in the dirt once and for all. Tell them about the real risk and consequences, and the realities, of a failed nordeuk kit missing moq on set that's going to set records for base kits sold. Nobody wants those answers more than nordeuk users, but nobody is ever willing to give them a straight forward answer as to why they should shut up
Post by: Han on Tue, 12 November 2019, 23:23:25
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 12 November 2019, 23:24:29
What are the numbers? What are the actual risks? What is a scenario where this actually happened and someone was deeply regretful for including nordeuk? How badly, in money, could a hype set like Olivia failing a moq on nordeuk really screw someone over?While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Who could take these risks? Novelkeys? Mykeyboard.eu? Daily Clack?
And what risks, exactly? Do you mean praying this sells 1,500 base kits and NorDeUK kit gets 5% (optimistic) and hits a 75 MOQ?
And what if it doesn't? Who has to buy up the MOQ? All the proxies who can't sell NorDeUK kits?
And should the NorDeUK be light or dark alphas? Or both?
It's almost like there are deciding factors other than courage.
Color me surprised.
For starters, the legends that are universally available to anyone to use (languages, cadet, ascii,etc) aren't charged to the buys in any of these cases, GMK foots this bill.
NorDeUK is never easy to hit MOQ really, there is always risk inherently involved here. They can and do hit, but it is often a struggle and never a guarantee still these days.
Hard to talk about taking "risks" when you aren't footing the money, as Wilba stated rather well.
To me a lot of sensible decisions have been made in terms of the design. This is a great set, and I'm sure Olivia will knock set design out of the park.
PS, <3 you Wilba :-*
I don't use nordeuk. I'm all for telling people to just stfu about nordeuk, but nobody ever gives them a good reason to. It's always just snide remarks. "Hard to talk about risks when you aren't fronting the money". Yeah sure. Let's put these people in the dirt once and for all. Tell them about the real risk and consequences, and the realities, of a failed nordeuk kit missing moq on set that's going to set records for base kits sold. Nobody wants those answers more than nordeuk users, but nobody is ever willing to give them a straight forward answer as to why they should shut up
I'm just saying nothing is a guarantee with NorDeUk kits, even still. It's definitely a decision that affects the vendor as well as the designer (if its nots Drop and buying any kit they run from the start period).
I've designed my sets, I've worked on countless others with just about every vendor or designer out ther, work full time with caps (at GMK), and know the risks all too well. I've sen all the backend numbers on these international kits and know that they are consistently the worst selling kits in a set overall. I know Massdrop (from working for them for years) is sitting on a number of these international kits from all of their buys because of very low sales on thes kits.
Money is an issue here. If a smaller vendor is going to risk the kit, paying for extras of an international kit (which will be quite spendy if under 150 units, and it almost certainly will be) could really eat into their profits. For a lot of these vendors they need the profits to continue to provide the services they do. If they don't but the kits and it doesnt make it, you can also be in a very tricky situation. Sure you can refund the money for the failed International Kit, but then what happens when those people don't want a base set or the other additional sets either? Now you refund those, and now you are potentially in a differnt price tier for those other kits making them more expensive. Now price changes for everyone. etc. etc. And this is all going on when the buy is supposed to be "over." It is a very complex issue for sure, which is why people are always cautious with kits and generally not just desinging heaps of kits and throwing them out to "see what sticks." This wouldn't work well at all.
A huge issue with what people have called a "NorDeUK" kit, for instance, is right in the name. It's trying to combine 3+ unique layouts, none of which are very popular in the grand scheme, and make sense of it in a way that makes people happy at a cost they can stomach. If you do all of the languages and layouts right in a combined kit is super expensive, so sales are almost always low. Cut out certain keys for languages and layouts and fewer people are buying the kit.
I'm a huge proprieter that ISO should be supported in base kits. Physical layout is by far the first and most important consideration. Having the correct text layout is far less important. Is it nice to have perfect coverage, of course, but with how many unique physical layouts there are these days you're lucky to even get that. Have we found the "ideal" international kit yet? Honestly, I don't think so. Even internally we've had numerous talks with how to provide these kits for our own sets to the community. We almost certainly will take a loss on the sets if we make even the MOQ. We are doing it for Q:01 for example and fully plan on a loss. Not all vendors can stomach this.
I'm always all ears for someone to come up with a new plan for International Kits, but when one isn't provided it certainly isn't because the designer and/or vendor don't care about those users. It's just never possible to make everyone happy.
Post by: Butterbeer on Tue, 12 November 2019, 23:33:55
(https://i.imgur.com/OBOcqVp.png)
NorDeUK MOQ for this set was 50.
To hit that number Olivia++ needs to sell 1200 base kits.
Now if someone wants to do the marketing analysis to project sales, I believe this problem will be solved.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 12 November 2019, 23:36:33
Everyone needs to relax and look at the numbers. Let's look at the numbers from the most recent NorDeUK group buy of GMK Dracula!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OBOcqVp.png)
NorDeUK MOQ for this set was 50.
To hit that number Olivia++ needs to sell 1200 base kits.
Now if someone wants to do the marketing analysis to project sales, I believe this problem will be solved.
or instead of having this debate you could just use blanks or switch to ansi
Post by: Digitize on Tue, 12 November 2019, 23:52:37
I come back and this is still what people are talking about?
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 13 November 2019, 00:19:22
Thanks for the indepth answer. I understand vendors take hits on failed moqs, and everything you said about the complexity of those hits makes sense (ie, refunded base kits, etc). The baseline $$ is the most important thing here, and I respect that. Another question though is, are we really, really that confident that nordeuk would fail, or confident in the risk that it will fail, on a hype set like this? Especially with recent hype sets meeting moq? I think its entirely fair to generalize alt layout kits risks in general, but when it comes to record breaking hype kits I think an exception should be made. I mentioned Oblivion earlier, and how it 3x'd moq on base kits and met moq on colevrak and locale kits. Anyone and everyone knew that set was going to slap. Dracula comes out after, wrecks base kit moq, and meets locale moq. Again... everyone knew that set was going to bank. Back to looking at risk... We are looking at a set that's been begged for since R1, has 8 pages of discussion in less then a month AND has a single render in the 1st post with no pricing or layout information. Is it really, really that absurd of me to think that a nordeuk kit would not be that risky? Is it really that absurd for me to assume that there is very little financial risk involved at all for doing so with this set?What are the numbers? What are the actual risks? What is a scenario where this actually happened and someone was deeply regretful for including nordeuk? How badly, in money, could a hype set like Olivia failing a moq on nordeuk really screw someone over?While absolutemadmenheroes like T0mb3ry or Oblotzky use successful colorways as a way to get new tooling made (good chunk of cyrillic and R0 + R5 or Space Cadet which even supported Colemak), this set won't even put out a NorDeUk kit that would make MOQ quite easily...
This is a nice colorway, but given the overwhelming popularity you could definately take a few (small) risks and run a child kit with lower profit margins (even if you sold it for less "profit", the extra 75 base kits it would help sell could be 5% of total sales) and make an even better product.
Who could take these risks? Novelkeys? Mykeyboard.eu? Daily Clack?
And what risks, exactly? Do you mean praying this sells 1,500 base kits and NorDeUK kit gets 5% (optimistic) and hits a 75 MOQ?
And what if it doesn't? Who has to buy up the MOQ? All the proxies who can't sell NorDeUK kits?
And should the NorDeUK be light or dark alphas? Or both?
It's almost like there are deciding factors other than courage.
Color me surprised.
For starters, the legends that are universally available to anyone to use (languages, cadet, ascii,etc) aren't charged to the buys in any of these cases, GMK foots this bill.
NorDeUK is never easy to hit MOQ really, there is always risk inherently involved here. They can and do hit, but it is often a struggle and never a guarantee still these days.
Hard to talk about taking "risks" when you aren't footing the money, as Wilba stated rather well.
To me a lot of sensible decisions have been made in terms of the design. This is a great set, and I'm sure Olivia will knock set design out of the park.
PS, <3 you Wilba :-*
I don't use nordeuk. I'm all for telling people to just stfu about nordeuk, but nobody ever gives them a good reason to. It's always just snide remarks. "Hard to talk about risks when you aren't fronting the money". Yeah sure. Let's put these people in the dirt once and for all. Tell them about the real risk and consequences, and the realities, of a failed nordeuk kit missing moq on set that's going to set records for base kits sold. Nobody wants those answers more than nordeuk users, but nobody is ever willing to give them a straight forward answer as to why they should shut up
I'm just saying nothing is a guarantee with NorDeUk kits, even still. It's definitely a decision that affects the vendor as well as the designer (if its nots Drop and buying any kit they run from the start period).
I've designed my sets, I've worked on countless others with just about every vendor or designer out ther, work full time with caps (at GMK), and know the risks all too well. I've sen all the backend numbers on these international kits and know that they are consistently the worst selling kits in a set overall. I know Massdrop (from working for them for years) is sitting on a number of these international kits from all of their buys because of very low sales on thes kits.
Money is an issue here. If a smaller vendor is going to risk the kit, paying for extras of an international kit (which will be quite spendy if under 150 units, and it almost certainly will be) could really eat into their profits. For a lot of these vendors they need the profits to continue to provide the services they do. If they don't but the kits and it doesnt make it, you can also be in a very tricky situation. Sure you can refund the money for the failed International Kit, but then what happens when those people don't want a base set or the other additional sets either? Now you refund those, and now you are potentially in a differnt price tier for those other kits making them more expensive. Now price changes for everyone. etc. etc. And this is all going on when the buy is supposed to be "over." It is a very complex issue for sure, which is why people are always cautious with kits and generally not just desinging heaps of kits and throwing them out to "see what sticks." This wouldn't work well at all.
A huge issue with what people have called a "NorDeUK" kit, for instance, is right in the name. It's trying to combine 3+ unique layouts, none of which are very popular in the grand scheme, and make sense of it in a way that makes people happy at a cost they can stomach. If you do all of the languages and layouts right in a combined kit is super expensive, so sales are almost always low. Cut out certain keys for languages and layouts and fewer people are buying the kit.
I'm a huge proprieter that ISO should be supported in base kits. Physical layout is by far the first and most important consideration. Having the correct text layout is far less important. Is it nice to have perfect coverage, of course, but with how many unique physical layouts there are these days you're lucky to even get that. Have we found the "ideal" international kit yet? Honestly, I don't think so. Even internally we've had numerous talks with how to provide these kits for our own sets to the community. We almost certainly will take a loss on the sets if we make even the MOQ. We are doing it for Q:01 for example and fully plan on a loss. Not all vendors can stomach this.
I'm always all ears for someone to come up with a new plan for International Kits, but when one isn't provided it certainly isn't because the designer and/or vendor don't care about those users. It's just never possible to make everyone happy.
Everyone needs to relax and look at the numbers. Let's look at the numbers from the most recent NorDeUK group buy of GMK Dracula!This is absolutely what we need, but I'm assuming nobody knows any numbers besides GMK, the vendors, and the people running the set. I also don't think there is any obligation to publicize those numbers from any of the parties, BUT I do think that if you don't then you should expect voices from people who want support for alternative layouts and sympathize with their plight. Again, I think the real solution to shutting them up is showing these analytics that you suggest. Show them the numbers. Show them how ridiculous their request isShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OBOcqVp.png)
NorDeUK MOQ for this set was 50.
To hit that number Olivia++ needs to sell 1200 base kits.
Now if someone wants to do the marketing analysis to project sales, I believe this problem will be solved.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 13 November 2019, 00:27:41
Is it really, really that absurd of me to think that a nordeuk kit would not be that risky? Is it really that absurd for me to assume that there is very little financial risk involved at all for doing so with this set?
I'm not saying one way or another, I'm simply saying and explaining there is risk involved (however big or small) so while input is good to give, you also just have to be respectful of the final decisions the creators go with.
I also don't ever assume how big or small a financial risk is for anyone but myself. What is huge for me may be miniscule to you.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 13 November 2019, 01:03:17
Sure, but you can similarly say that there is even risk running this set at all without any alt layout kits. I'm certainly not the only one that think that this kit by itself is that risky in the grand scheme of 'assessing risk' though. We can see that's the case with the hype surrounding this set. With that, everyone is very adamant about how risky an alt layout set would be. Everyone is so easily convinced this set will kill (aka not be risky) without the alt kits. We are SURE that is going to happen. Risk analysis has been done by the gmk, the vendors, and runners, and they have concluded that Olivia++ should be run and will make money and will not lose money. Risk analysis (in this case feeding into the hype) has been done by laymen in the community to come to that same conclusion. APPARENTLY risk analysis has been done by all development parties to where offering alt layouts should not be done. There are many people here, including myself that does not and will not use nordeuk, that think that kit will easily make moq. Financial risk on vendors was explained to me very well. I get all of that. What I, and I think a lot of people want to know is what analysis went into coming to the conclusion that nordeuk kits chance AND value of profits do not outweigh the chance AND value of potential losses? There was certainly analysis done on the base kits/kits that are offered, and there was (hopefully?) some done on alt layouts. If a moq of 50 kits is the 0 out number where there are 0 profits and losses, does an extra 30 kits on top of moq not hold good enough value for the potential losses from -10 (40) kits? Was there any predictive analysis done on potential numbers of alt kits to be sold? What are these numbers? What numbers and price of a nordeuk kit need to exist for it to be worth while? What is a real moq at a real price that makes the benefit outweigh the risk. It certainly can't be a moq of 50 at a price of $97 per, because hype kits DO perform well enough to at least meet moq.Is it really, really that absurd of me to think that a nordeuk kit would not be that risky? Is it really that absurd for me to assume that there is very little financial risk involved at all for doing so with this set?
I'm not saying one way or another, I'm simply saying and explaining there is risk involved (however big or small) so while input is good to give, you also just have to be respectful of the final decisions the creators go with.
I also don't ever assume how big or small a financial risk is for anyone but myself. What is huge for me may be miniscule to you.
I'm not asking for people to take a financial risk by offering alt layouts, I'm asking WHAT that risk is, specifically, straight forward. All I have to go off of are moqs from hype sets and moqs from non-hype sets for my own pseudo analysis. The hype sets I see hit moqs, the non-hype sets don't. My bull**** pseudo analysis tells me that Olivia++ is a hype set, which means a moq of 50 at $100 will be met easily, which means there is a high chance of profit from this kit, which makes it a nobrainer to run. Why am I wrong here? What am I missing in that?
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Wed, 13 November 2019, 04:14:24
Post by: bukowski on Wed, 13 November 2019, 04:21:07
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Wed, 13 November 2019, 04:22:21
NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
agree!
if they can find enough buyers, organizing a GB like GMK. WOB & BOW. NORDEUK++ ADD-ON KIT (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99984.0") is totally possible.
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 13 November 2019, 05:24:34
Sure, but you can similarly say that there is even risk running this set at all without any alt layout kits. I'm certainly not the only one that think that this kit by itself is that risky in the grand scheme of 'assessing risk' though. We can see that's the case with the hype surrounding this set. With that, everyone is very adamant about how risky an alt layout set would be. Everyone is so easily convinced this set will kill (aka not be risky) without the alt kits. We are SURE that is going to happen. Risk analysis has been done by the gmk, the vendors, and runners, and they have concluded that Olivia++ should be run and will make money and will not lose money. Risk analysis (in this case feeding into the hype) has been done by laymen in the community to come to that same conclusion. APPARENTLY risk analysis has been done by all development parties to where offering alt layouts should not be done. There are many people here, including myself that does not and will not use nordeuk, that think that kit will easily make moq. Financial risk on vendors was explained to me very well. I get all of that. What I, and I think a lot of people want to know is what analysis went into coming to the conclusion that nordeuk kits chance AND value of profits do not outweigh the chance AND value of potential losses? There was certainly analysis done on the base kits/kits that are offered, and there was (hopefully?) some done on alt layouts. If a moq of 50 kits is the 0 out number where there are 0 profits and losses, does an extra 30 kits on top of moq not hold good enough value for the potential losses from -10 (40) kits? Was there any predictive analysis done on potential numbers of alt kits to be sold? What are these numbers? What numbers and price of a nordeuk kit need to exist for it to be worth while? What is a real moq at a real price that makes the benefit outweigh the risk. It certainly can't be a moq of 50 at a price of $97 per, because hype kits DO perform well enough to at least meet moq.Is it really, really that absurd of me to think that a nordeuk kit would not be that risky? Is it really that absurd for me to assume that there is very little financial risk involved at all for doing so with this set?
I'm not saying one way or another, I'm simply saying and explaining there is risk involved (however big or small) so while input is good to give, you also just have to be respectful of the final decisions the creators go with.
I also don't ever assume how big or small a financial risk is for anyone but myself. What is huge for me may be miniscule to you.
I'm not asking for people to take a financial risk by offering alt layouts, I'm asking WHAT that risk is, specifically, straight forward. All I have to go off of are moqs from hype sets and moqs from non-hype sets for my own pseudo analysis. The hype sets I see hit moqs, the non-hype sets don't. My bull**** pseudo analysis tells me that Olivia++ is a hype set, which means a moq of 50 at $100 will be met easily, which means there is a high chance of profit from this kit, which makes it a nobrainer to run. Why am I wrong here? What am I missing in that?
It's much easier to just run a set addressing only the biggest group than branching out and cater to the niches in this communtiy. I don't think it's much of a risk, it's just more effort for relatively little returns.
In other words, it's about maximizing profit while minimizing effort.
Post by: andtar2 on Wed, 13 November 2019, 06:32:08
NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
As I understand running a separate GB would have 150MOQ (or maybe even more when its custom colors?). Running extra kit in same GB could have as low as 50MOQ (with higher price like GMK Dracula did) or 100MOQ as usual.
Vendors together will GB-runner can always cancel any kit that did not meet MOQ and that they found its not worth saving. That should not put too much stress/risk on them?
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 13 November 2019, 12:09:32
well, as you know, the group of users for that kit are a vocal minority. the backlash would be huge, and there's a reason you don't see 12 kits running for every set.NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
As I understand running a separate GB would have 150MOQ (or maybe even more when its custom colors?). Running extra kit in same GB could have as low as 50MOQ (with higher price like GMK Dracula did) or 100MOQ as usual.
Vendors together will GB-runner can always cancel any kit that did not meet MOQ and that they found its not worth saving. That should not put too much stress/risk on them?
Post by: Possumx on Wed, 13 November 2019, 13:07:17
After 2 months i can say it was probably for the better i did this, i got used to the new layout super quick :)
Post by: brln on Wed, 13 November 2019, 13:36:54
Additionally, for me the NorDeUK kit does not determine if I buy the kit or not. It determines if I buy two or one (2 base kits + 1 NorDeUK). With that in mind: Please consider that there is also a dark number of people buying the base kit only because there is a NorDeUK (or whatever kit). So the sole sale of a particular kit does probably not do the overall success in terms of income justice.
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Wed, 13 November 2019, 13:50:05
NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
As I understand running a separate GB would have 150MOQ (or maybe even more when its custom colors?). Running extra kit in same GB could have as low as 50MOQ (with higher price like GMK Dracula did) or 100MOQ as usual.
Vendors together will GB-runner can always cancel any kit that did not meet MOQ and that they found its not worth saving. That should not put too much stress/risk on them?
If NorDeUk community can't reach MOQ of 100 or 150 with one of the most hyped sets of all time, then maybe the community isn't big enough to sustain the things they are asking for. Which is why I like this idea. Either A) The MOQ is reached, which is great - and everyone gets their keys or B) They realize first hand that there simply aren't enough people using those layouts and the set is either canceled OR the NorDeUk community has to help buy out the set (which they are asking the proxies themselves to do now).
The risk in canceling it a kit was laid out very well above. But essentially if the kit gets canceled, people often pull out of their base kits order too. Which can push the base kits/other child kits under the MOQ thresholds. All of this is done after the GB has ended (or close to it) which puts the stress/risk on the proxies to either A) Buy out the NorDeUk sets or B) risk losing orders which can increase the price if it goes below certain MOQ threshholds.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 13 November 2019, 14:03:01
We keep talking about people refunding base kits when moqs for alt kits are missed. That leads me, once again, question all the numbers that nobody ever gives. Are all of 'lost' base kits, especially those far above base kit moq, not just stacks of profit? With the base kits being more expensive than the alt layout kits, do those profits not counteract the potential, or literal, losses on the alt kits? If a single alt kit is equivalent to the purchase of an alt kit + base kit, is it not in the best interests to make it? Obviously, I assume that's the case, but again, I'll keep repeating myself asking for the realistic number values that makes that true or false.NorDeUk enthusiasts should ask Olivias permission to run a NorDeUk kit in Olivia colorways separate from the official group buy. It would take any risk/stress off of Mike and the other proxies, and put the ball in their court.
As I understand running a separate GB would have 150MOQ (or maybe even more when its custom colors?). Running extra kit in same GB could have as low as 50MOQ (with higher price like GMK Dracula did) or 100MOQ as usual.
Vendors together will GB-runner can always cancel any kit that did not meet MOQ and that they found its not worth saving. That should not put too much stress/risk on them?
If NorDeUk community can't reach MOQ of 100 or 150 with one of the most hyped sets of all time, then maybe the community isn't big enough to sustain the things they are asking for. Which is why I like this idea. Either A) The MOQ is reached, which is great - and everyone gets their keys or B) They realize first hand that there simply aren't enough people using those layouts and the set is either canceled OR the NorDeUk community has to help buy out the set (which they are asking the proxies themselves to do now).
The risk in canceling it a kit was laid out very well above. But essentially if the kit gets canceled, people often pull out of their base kits order too. Which can push the base kits/other child kits under the MOQ thresholds. All of this is done after the GB has ended (or close to it) which puts the stress/risk on the proxies to either A) Buy out the NorDeUk sets or B) risk losing orders which can increase the price if it goes below certain MOQ threshholds.
Post by: honoka on Wed, 13 November 2019, 14:25:51
Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 13 November 2019, 15:31:03
Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 13 November 2019, 17:30:41
Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 13 November 2019, 18:04:47
Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Another clue will be up today
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 13 November 2019, 18:30:24
How about some straight up information? Why should consumers jump through hoops to know what will be available to them?Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Another clue will be up today
Post by: jakereps on Wed, 13 November 2019, 18:38:16
How about some straight up information? Why should consumers jump through hooks to know what will be available to them?Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Another clue will be up today
Because they don't care about sharing information, they know people will buy it anyways. This GB is reaching peak arrogance, as it drops in a few weeks and the IC hasn't been touched in a month other than when mandated by a mod. The game was "cute" on day 1, but begging the consumers to solve some riddle to get more information is ridiculous IMO. As has been said previously, this IC is trash.
Post by: tonydatigeryo on Wed, 13 November 2019, 18:43:44
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 13 November 2019, 19:25:45
Fall in line, droneHow about some straight up information? Why should consumers jump through hooks to know what will be available to them?Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Another clue will be up today
Because they don't care about sharing information, they know people will buy it anyways. This GB is reaching peak arrogance, as it drops in a few weeks and the IC hasn't been touched in a month other than when mandated by a mod. The game was "cute" on day 1, but begging the consumers to solve some riddle to get more information is ridiculous IMO. As has been said previously, this IC is trash.
Post by: stevenT on Wed, 13 November 2019, 20:21:06
Post by: renolo on Wed, 13 November 2019, 20:47:35
"Whats this? you plebs actually thought you guys were gonna get a second round of Olivia? Lmao, if you want Olivia go sell your kidneys and buy one off mech market you peasant."
Post by: bukowski on Thu, 14 November 2019, 01:48:03
With that in mind: Please consider that there is also a dark number of people buying the base kit only because there is a NorDeUK (or whatever kit). So the sole sale of a particular kit does probably not do the overall success in terms of income justice.Exactly the position that I and probably every NorDeUK user is in. There are so many sets I didn't buy even though I loved their colours: GMK 8008, GMK Nines and now probably GMK Olivia++.
Post by: dexie on Thu, 14 November 2019, 02:20:23
The post is
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What? Where? hihihi YXBvdHB1d2FtYWh0d29wdHdvcA==Base64 part translates to Code: [Select]
apotpuwamahtwoptwopIt looks very cipher-ish, so I tried to go through all the most common cyphers. ROTn, atbash, caesar, substition, rail fence - nothing yielded any results. You can notice the string ends with "...twoptwop", which might be a substitution for "...plusplus", but the order in which letters are substituted is not obvious (numbers of letters do not change in linear way), so there must be some kind of "rule" behind it. Let's call it a "Key"!
So, I looked through "keyed" ciphers (the ones requiring a key to decrypt), and I assumed that hihihi from the post might be a key. Long story short, it is a Beaufort Cipher. If we decode "apotpuwamahtwoptwop" with "hihihi" using Beaufort Cipher, we get "httpsoliviaplusplus" string.
I guess it is a website for additional info on the groupbuy. According to whois "https://oliviaplus.plus" was registered on Oct 15, so it must be it :)
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 14 November 2019, 03:03:16
How about some straight up information? Why should consumers jump through hoops to know what will be available to them?Blanks?Thank you everyone for the thoughtful discussion and feedback. The intensity of this thread is awe-inspiring. I've read every comment in this thread multiple times over, and these posts have reminded me why I joined this community in the first place. Thank you :)
To my Colevrak and NorDeUK friends, have you seen Zambumon's post?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3m-ov3FeFD/
I've seen the post but I'm too stupid to make something of it. I can imagine what it could be, but I don't even dare mentioning it.
It has nothing to do with Colevrak or NordeUK
Another clue will be up today
Because this is not an IC. This is just hype building.
Post by: honoka on Thu, 14 November 2019, 03:11:12
Zambumon, naughty boy for being so tricky.
Post by: Khers on Thu, 14 November 2019, 06:12:47
GLWB
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 14 November 2019, 08:26:55
This IC only started from October with 1 rendered picture and short announcement, yet there are 7 pages of comments, replies,.etc. I would just call it a huge success. ;D
People are nonstop complaining. The thread is a ****show
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 14 November 2019, 08:38:22
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).
NK and Mykeyboard aren't Massdrop.
PS: Colevrak and norde suck.
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 14 November 2019, 08:59:24
You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).
NK and Mykeyboard aren't Massdrop.
PS: Colevrak and norde suck.
So edgy.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 14 November 2019, 09:01:46
(https://i.imgur.com/rowTbGQ.png)You are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Risk can and should be split - so that vendors each would have to bear just a few kits. But considering firstly how huge this run is and secondly how Oblivion v2 turned out, its weird to talk about "courage", "risk" and "buy ups" in this matter. And the NorDeUK kit should have the usual light alphas of course, since this is the original kit (why are there dark alphas/2 different versions anyway? just run a new design if you want a new look).
NK and Mykeyboard aren't Massdrop.
PS: Colevrak and norde suck.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 14 November 2019, 12:03:20
Regarding: Feedback
Most of the changes between Olivia and Olivia++ were based on feedback from the first round. Olivia came with a list of changes for ++ including kit changes, layout coverage, and an alternate color-scheme, and currently this thread is a circlejerk about NorDEUK and Colemak & Dvorak.
Some of you have suggested some additions on this IC, most of them were already addressed by Olivia on October 19:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102914.150
Q: Base kits:
A: "The kits will be very different from the original GB to support the 2 different color modes."
If this is not clear enough, this means that Olivia ++ will have two base kits and both kits will have the exact same layout support:
40%, UK ISO, Space Bars, Novelties, and More Novelties.
Q: tweaked icon mods?:
A: No, the set will use the standard text + icon mods.
Just like the first round, the set will use the same modifiers.
Q: R5 bottom row?
No, the set will be using a R4.
Q: Colemak & Dvorak kit:
A: No, it won't be available.
Q: NorDEUK kit?
A: There will not be a NorDEUK kit, only UK ISO.
Getting suggestions is one thing, complaining for 4 pages about 2 kits is another.
Group buy runners deal differently when someone repeatedly complains on their IC about the lack of X or Y kit or layout support.
Some confront those messages with short line answers and get the reputation of being massive ****s.
For some others it makes them less confident about their sets, and creates stress.
Regarding: this set will sell so much that we have to make X kit.
You are assuming too much. There's a lot of interest for this set, but that doesn't guarantee a damn thing.
Interest is not a direct translation to "this set will sell 1200 Dark base kits".
We have many examples of a designer trying to please everyone and then having issues during the group buy, ending up with the vendor purchasing kits to MOQ.
Assuming that a set will sell like hot cakes can lead to bad group buys.
Regarding: not having posted the kits yet.
I take the blame for that one.
For ++, I strongly suggested Olivia to make a site (https://oliviaplus.plus) so she could to provide all the information you need about the set including kits, kit descriptions, keyboard gallery, links to all of the vendors, pricing...
Olivia will be posting instead an OP update later today.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 14 November 2019, 13:25:25
Group buy runners deal differently when someone repeatedly complains on their IC about the lack of X or Y kit or layout support.None of that would happen if there were clear cut, transparent answers that can convince all the people *****ing that they are being morons. It's always shady, beating around the bush ****. Imagine if runners just said, "Our budgeting estimates 1200 base kits sold around $X per kit, 600 of <insert kit here> sold for $Y a kit. NordeUK estimates 50 at $Z, and with our 5% safety padding for all kits, presents way to much risk to run, so we aren't going to do it." OR "We don't feel like doing any risk assessment, and we also don't really give a **** about nordeuk anyway, so we just aren't going to do it."
Some confront those messages with short line answers and get the reputation of being massive ****s.
For some others it makes them less confident about their sets, and creates stress.
No runner owes anybody any of this, but when they just brush people off with arrogance, they are going to look like a massive **** (your words), and they could have done something about it.
We have many examples of a designer trying to please everyone and then having issues during the group buy, ending up with the vendor purchasing kits to MOQ.Wouldn't it be good to share those examples, for the sake of everyone in this thread? Designers, people *****ing about alt kits, and people *****ing about people *****ing about alt kits would all benefit with an example of where hype and hubris screwed over a vendor.
Again, none of this is owed to anyone, but if people actually cared about all these nordeuk fanboys complaining, there would be a post truly showing how stupid their complaints are. Everyone, INCLUDING NordDeUK fanboys, want a reason for Nordeuk fanboys to shutup, but nobody will give a clearcut reason. NorDeUk is obviously a relevant enough of a layout that it can soak up 4 pages in a month old thread, as well as be a whole meme for drama, but it's also apparently obvious (to runners, vendors, designers) to not run it. Why not just share what is so painfully obvious to runners with the low tier, plebeian drones, so it can be painfully obvious for them too?
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Thu, 14 November 2019, 13:25:45
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Post by: tunadesu on Thu, 14 November 2019, 13:43:41
Q: Base kits:
A: "The kits will be very different from the original GB to support the 2 different color modes."
If this is not clear enough, this means that Olivia ++ will have two base kits and both kits will have the exact same layout support:
40%, UK ISO, Space Bars, Novelties, and More Novelties.
How was that clear cut at all? Why's it gotta be so secretive
Post by: lolafineday on Thu, 14 November 2019, 13:53:11
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Post by: msting on Thu, 14 November 2019, 14:09:27
There!
>:D
Post by: megaforce on Thu, 14 November 2019, 14:33:42
Group buy runners deal differently when someone repeatedly complains on their IC about the lack of X or Y kit or layout support.None of that would happen if there were clear cut, transparent answers that can convince all the people *****ing that they are being morons. It's always shady, beating around the bush ****. Imagine if runners just said, "Our budgeting estimates 1200 base kits sold around $X per kit, 600 of <insert kit here> sold for $Y a kit. NordeUK estimates 50 at $Z, and with our 5% safety padding for all kits, presents way to much risk to run, so we aren't going to do it." OR "We don't feel like doing any risk assessment, and we also don't really give a **** about nordeuk anyway, so we just aren't going to do it."
Some confront those messages with short line answers and get the reputation of being massive ****s.
For some others it makes them less confident about their sets, and creates stress.
No runner owes anybody any of this, but when they just brush people off with arrogance, they are going to look like a massive **** (your words), and they could have done something about it.We have many examples of a designer trying to please everyone and then having issues during the group buy, ending up with the vendor purchasing kits to MOQ.Wouldn't it be good to share those examples, for the sake of everyone in this thread? Designers, people *****ing about alt kits, and people *****ing about people *****ing about alt kits would all benefit with an example of where hype and hubris screwed over a vendor.
Again, none of this is owed to anyone, but if people actually cared about all these nordeuk fanboys complaining, there would be a post truly showing how stupid their complaints are. Everyone, INCLUDING NordDeUK fanboys, want a reason for Nordeuk fanboys to shutup, but nobody will give a clearcut reason. NorDeUk is obviously a relevant enough of a layout that it can soak up 4 pages in a month old thread, as well as be a whole meme for drama, but it's also apparently obvious (to runners, vendors, designers) to not run it. Why not just share what is so painfully obvious to runners with the low tier, plebeian drones, so it can be painfully obvious for them too?
Are you done wasting your parents internet bandwidth?
**** off m8
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 14 November 2019, 14:40:56
LUL I'm sorry did I upset you? Pardon me, let me just fall in line with everyone elseGroup buy runners deal differently when someone repeatedly complains on their IC about the lack of X or Y kit or layout support.None of that would happen if there were clear cut, transparent answers that can convince all the people *****ing that they are being morons. It's always shady, beating around the bush ****. Imagine if runners just said, "Our budgeting estimates 1200 base kits sold around $X per kit, 600 of <insert kit here> sold for $Y a kit. NordeUK estimates 50 at $Z, and with our 5% safety padding for all kits, presents way to much risk to run, so we aren't going to do it." OR "We don't feel like doing any risk assessment, and we also don't really give a **** about nordeuk anyway, so we just aren't going to do it."
Some confront those messages with short line answers and get the reputation of being massive ****s.
For some others it makes them less confident about their sets, and creates stress.
No runner owes anybody any of this, but when they just brush people off with arrogance, they are going to look like a massive **** (your words), and they could have done something about it.We have many examples of a designer trying to please everyone and then having issues during the group buy, ending up with the vendor purchasing kits to MOQ.Wouldn't it be good to share those examples, for the sake of everyone in this thread? Designers, people *****ing about alt kits, and people *****ing about people *****ing about alt kits would all benefit with an example of where hype and hubris screwed over a vendor.
Again, none of this is owed to anyone, but if people actually cared about all these nordeuk fanboys complaining, there would be a post truly showing how stupid their complaints are. Everyone, INCLUDING NordDeUK fanboys, want a reason for Nordeuk fanboys to shutup, but nobody will give a clearcut reason. NorDeUk is obviously a relevant enough of a layout that it can soak up 4 pages in a month old thread, as well as be a whole meme for drama, but it's also apparently obvious (to runners, vendors, designers) to not run it. Why not just share what is so painfully obvious to runners with the low tier, plebeian drones, so it can be painfully obvious for them too?
Are you done wasting your parents internet bandwidth?
**** off m8
Post by: honoka on Thu, 14 November 2019, 15:13:46
Website's morse code message:MoreHIDDEN INSIDE
I officially don't want this anymore.
Not that it matters to anyone but I've never seen this level of arrogance on this platform.
Post by: gMit on Thu, 14 November 2019, 15:17:06
Post by: mgsickler on Thu, 14 November 2019, 15:20:49
Website's morse code message:MoreHIDDEN INSIDE
I officially don't want this anymore.
Not that it matters to anyone but I've never seen this level of arrogance on this platform.
I’m not sure how that comes across as arrogance, but I can tell you that it definitely is not from Olivia. She wanted to do something fun with solving a puzzle. A lot of effort was actually made for this scavenger hunt/ riddle.
The kits will be coming very soon, and they are priced better than I have ever been able to price things.
I’m sorry you feel that way, but that’s not how it was meant to come across.
Post by: honoka on Thu, 14 November 2019, 15:28:12
Usually people plan for what they want to reserve funds for and since these sets are expensive, however cheap they might be comparatively, it's still a lot of money. Not knowing what's even on the table 2 weeks from the start is putting me off.
Also, that's the reason for this discussion. We are a bunch of people that don't know and the speculation is killing the intent of this IC.
Edit: Quote editing on mobile is weird.
Post by: Imperilous on Thu, 14 November 2019, 15:39:54
Yeah, same here. No NorDeUK = No purchase. There has probably been like 6-8 sets that i would've wanted to buy the last year but i haven't due to the fact that NorDeUK is not an option. The only one I've jumped on is Oblivion V2 (which hopefully will start shipping soon), and now it looks like Modern Dolch Light may be the next set dropping with Norde included so i'll deffo join that with a full set or two.With that in mind: Please consider that there is also a dark number of people buying the base kit only because there is a NorDeUK (or whatever kit). So the sole sale of a particular kit does probably not do the overall success in terms of income justice.Exactly the position that I and probably every NorDeUK user is in. There are so many sets I didn't buy even though I loved their colours: GMK 8008, GMK Nines and now probably GMK Olivia++.
I think Olivia looks amazing so i'm really sad to see NorDeUK won't be an option. Fingers crossed for round 3 (+++) then i suppose :/
Post by: tonydatigeryo on Thu, 14 November 2019, 15:49:11
A random picture here and there, with no kit information since the IC... it’s a bit frustrating especially with so many group buys running right now, and I’m not sure if I should save money for this or buy something else, and time runs out quickly.
Time is of the essence, but there has only been small teasers that don’t give people information they need to make good purchasing decisions with these limited time frame buys.
Post by: dragon564738 on Thu, 14 November 2019, 16:11:57
Literally, no sets sell an adequate amount of Nordeuk/Colevrak sets, especially since there are two colors of alphas now, you could conceivably cut numbers for Dracula, etc in half to get a reasonable amount; probably going to be less than MOQ.
Not enough people use either layout to make it economical. The set runners have no obligation to cater to your personal needs and honestly if you care enough about the set to write like 3 pages of rants about how ne nordeuk avail, you should honestly just change to ANSI because it seems that you really care about the set.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 14 November 2019, 16:29:27
They just bounce people from one dead-end point to another.
It seems like the reward for solving one puzzle is another puzzle.
I think it was cool for the first puzzle to tell us when the GB date was, but a puzzle that leads to a website that leads to morse code that leads to...etc. doesn't add much.
Post by: superuser41 on Thu, 14 November 2019, 16:31:06
Post by: dexie on Thu, 14 November 2019, 16:32:57
Open Sesame!Probably a related question: did you use Octave or MATLAB?
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Post by: superuser41 on Thu, 14 November 2019, 16:33:36
Post by: dexie on Thu, 14 November 2019, 16:36:45
OctaveBravo! I decoded "Open Sdqaf", and I am not sure why :(
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Post by: olivia on Thu, 14 November 2019, 17:02:28
Open Sesame!
Correct!
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 14 November 2019, 18:24:31
I’m not sure how that comes across as arrogance, but I can tell you that it definitely is not from Olivia. She wanted to do something fun with solving a puzzle. A lot of effort was actually made for this scavenger hunt/ riddle.
The kits will be coming very soon, and they are priced better than I have ever been able to price things.
I’m sorry you feel that way, but that’s not how it was meant to come across.
I love scavenger hunts/riddles personally, so I'm a huge fan of what has been done here - as other have stated, I think gating stuff behind it to this extent is a little excessive though. My main qualm with how the IC has been handled is mostly relating to what Zambu addressed above; nothing posted on the date the thread was created, one render thrown out after Hoff called out the lack of information, no real community outreach from any of the people responsible for the project, no kit mockups so that people can know what to expect/how much they should be looking at saving in order to purchase the set, etc.
I just think the advertisement vs actual IC tension here is just too high for a lot of people, comes across as kinda smug being this cryptic and truth be told rightfully so in my opinion, even though I'm entirely sure that's not the intent.
There was huge tumult when Mito used to post his ICs on here if anyone remembers that, because they were basically an ad for his Massdrop collabs rather than an actual interest check - despite him typing out a 1000 line OP with ultra detailed info and responding to basically every single person with concerns. What we've seen here is basically the same except pretty much without the detail, renders and communication from OP's side.
Post by: superuser41 on Thu, 14 November 2019, 19:12:41
OctaveBravo! I decoded "Open Sdqaf", and I am not sure why :(
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Post by: jakereps on Thu, 14 November 2019, 19:36:44
I’m not sure how that comes across as arrogance, but I can tell you that it definitely is not from Olivia. She wanted to do something fun with solving a puzzle. A lot of effort was actually made for this scavenger hunt/ riddle.
The kits will be coming very soon, and they are priced better than I have ever been able to price things.
I’m sorry you feel that way, but that’s not how it was meant to come across.
I love scavenger hunts/riddles personally, so I'm a huge fan of what has been done here - as other have stated, I think gating stuff behind it to this extent is a little excessive though. My main qualm with how the IC has been handled is mostly relating to what Zambu addressed above; nothing posted on the date the thread was created, one render thrown out after Hoff called out the lack of information, no real community outreach from any of the people responsible for the project, no kit mockups so that people can know what to expect/how much they should be looking at saving in order to purchase the set, etc.
I just think the advertisement vs actual IC tension here is just too high for a lot of people, comes across as kinda smug being this cryptic and truth be told rightfully so in my opinion, even though I'm entirely sure that's not the intent.
There was huge tumult when Mito used to post his ICs on here if anyone remembers that, because they were basically an ad for his Massdrop collabs rather than an actual interest check - despite him typing out a 1000 line OP with ultra detailed info and responding to basically every single person with concerns. What we've seen here is basically the same except pretty much without the detail, renders and communication from OP's side.
Very much agree with this statement. I mentioned earlier, but the puzzle on day one was cool - me and my buddy were messaging each other trying to figure it out, and it was fun to see/read the reveal and write up of the puzzle. A month later and only weeks before GB, having no more information than the picture that was already leaked before the IC is just too much of a "dgaf" vibe, intentional or not.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 14 November 2019, 20:14:32
I’m not sure how that comes across as arrogance, but I can tell you that it definitely is not from Olivia. She wanted to do something fun with solving a puzzle. A lot of effort was actually made for this scavenger hunt/ riddle.
The kits will be coming very soon, and they are priced better than I have ever been able to price things.
I’m sorry you feel that way, but that’s not how it was meant to come across.
I love scavenger hunts/riddles personally, so I'm a huge fan of what has been done here - as other have stated, I think gating stuff behind it to this extent is a little excessive though. My main qualm with how the IC has been handled is mostly relating to what Zambu addressed above; nothing posted on the date the thread was created, one render thrown out after Hoff called out the lack of information, no real community outreach from any of the people responsible for the project, no kit mockups so that people can know what to expect/how much they should be looking at saving in order to purchase the set, etc.
I just think the advertisement vs actual IC tension here is just too high for a lot of people, comes across as kinda smug being this cryptic and truth be told rightfully so in my opinion, even though I'm entirely sure that's not the intent.
There was huge tumult when Mito used to post his ICs on here if anyone remembers that, because they were basically an ad for his Massdrop collabs rather than an actual interest check - despite him typing out a 1000 line OP with ultra detailed info and responding to basically every single person with concerns. What we've seen here is basically the same except pretty much without the detail, renders and communication from OP's side.
Very much agree with this statement. I mentioned earlier, but the puzzle on day one was cool - me and my buddy were messaging each other trying to figure it out, and it was fun to see/read the reveal and write up of the puzzle. A month later and only weeks before GB, having no more information than the picture that was already leaked before the IC is just too much of a "dgaf" vibe, intentional or not.
Yup. Agreed.
Teasers are fun. Teasers this close to the drop without any new info is less fun.
Post by: Aevyn on Thu, 14 November 2019, 22:57:45
So kudos to this amazing interest check. /s
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Post by: dom on Thu, 14 November 2019, 23:10:20
Definitely, there is a pattern established on how the IC is constructed (some info, renders, etc, ...), but I believe the purpose of IC is to give feedback to designers, but only if they need it.
IC - is to help designers to make the right decisions, not to help us. So if they don't need our feedback, let believe in them and give them room to breathe. They already have ideas for any creation they do, IC should be place where they can ask "us" about certain decisions if they need it, not to answer or deal with "we want things" comments (interest check form is for that). If they ask - we can answer, with respect and some empathy. We don't have to deal with the design process, vendors, risk, etc. This is not place to expose the final product, if Olivia++ is less open, then it means they already established some decisions and design going well. Let's respect that :)
GB - this is the place to ask questions before the final buy. The design process is done, and before we put our money for creation they prepared, GB owner should be obligated to answer any question (and here IMHO is the place to judge anyone if there is lack of answer). GB runs for a month usually, so this is enough time for anyone to make the right decision before buy, save money or ask questions on GB threat.
PS: There is always drama when dealing with people and opinions what is right/wrong, on forums, at work, school ;) but at least people are able to forgive. Let's be happy about the new set coming out and respect each other.
Have a good day!
Peace and love :)
xoxo
Post by: olivia on Thu, 14 November 2019, 23:31:43
Post by: suparnemo on Thu, 14 November 2019, 23:42:08
Updated the IC with the full details. Thank you very much friends for your patience!
Looks great. Pricing is really good, too. Super hype!
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Thu, 14 November 2019, 23:43:14
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Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 15 November 2019, 00:02:24
Oh wow I was expeciting $120 for base but this is even better! Thanks Olivia and vendors! :thumb:
presumably this is because it is v high MOQ
which it will meet because, olivia
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Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 15 November 2019, 00:11:13
Argh. I was actually hoping we'd be allowed to just purchase dark alphas separately instead of being forced to purchase a whole base kit..
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full base kit is more effective for more people, so that's probably why it was run
shouldn't be hard to sell the mods, should you choose to go that route
Post by: LXVRGS on Fri, 15 November 2019, 00:22:45
Post by: nasp on Fri, 15 November 2019, 00:24:46
I'd like to see split bars and the extra 'B' in the spacebar kit please. Preferably the white bars.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Fri, 15 November 2019, 00:32:01
Are the split white space bars missing from the space bars kit or is that just a render error?
If you're taking feedback...
I'd like to see split bars and the extra 'B' in the spacebar kit please. Preferably the white bars.
they're in "Extra Mods" kit
Post by: LXVRGS on Fri, 15 November 2019, 00:36:53
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Post by: nappis on Fri, 15 November 2019, 01:21:20
Updated the IC with the full details. Thank you very much friends for your patience!(https://i.imgur.com/bbulQbA.png)
Post by: martink on Fri, 15 November 2019, 01:55:06
why the price in Europe is so different than US? (it is information not a controversy)
mykeyboard.eu price includes 21% VAT.
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 15 November 2019, 02:04:35
LUL I'm sorry did I upset you? Pardon me, let me just fall in line with everyone elseGroup buy runners deal differently when someone repeatedly complains on their IC about the lack of X or Y kit or layout support.None of that would happen if there were clear cut, transparent answers that can convince all the people *****ing that they are being morons. It's always shady, beating around the bush ****. Imagine if runners just said, "Our budgeting estimates 1200 base kits sold around $X per kit, 600 of <insert kit here> sold for $Y a kit. NordeUK estimates 50 at $Z, and with our 5% safety padding for all kits, presents way to much risk to run, so we aren't going to do it." OR "We don't feel like doing any risk assessment, and we also don't really give a **** about nordeuk anyway, so we just aren't going to do it."
Some confront those messages with short line answers and get the reputation of being massive ****s.
For some others it makes them less confident about their sets, and creates stress.
No runner owes anybody any of this, but when they just brush people off with arrogance, they are going to look like a massive **** (your words), and they could have done something about it.We have many examples of a designer trying to please everyone and then having issues during the group buy, ending up with the vendor purchasing kits to MOQ.Wouldn't it be good to share those examples, for the sake of everyone in this thread? Designers, people *****ing about alt kits, and people *****ing about people *****ing about alt kits would all benefit with an example of where hype and hubris screwed over a vendor.
Again, none of this is owed to anyone, but if people actually cared about all these nordeuk fanboys complaining, there would be a post truly showing how stupid their complaints are. Everyone, INCLUDING NordDeUK fanboys, want a reason for Nordeuk fanboys to shutup, but nobody will give a clearcut reason. NorDeUk is obviously a relevant enough of a layout that it can soak up 4 pages in a month old thread, as well as be a whole meme for drama, but it's also apparently obvious (to runners, vendors, designers) to not run it. Why not just share what is so painfully obvious to runners with the low tier, plebeian drones, so it can be painfully obvious for them too?
Are you done wasting your parents internet bandwidth?
**** off m8
It's obviously a troll.
Post by: Tennstrong on Fri, 15 November 2019, 02:06:55
I'm gonna be in for [light] [dark] [novs] [hihihi] [spaces] and possibly [iso] :D (as well as deskmats)
Post by: dmxtrix on Fri, 15 November 2019, 02:40:56
Are the split white space bars missing from the space bars kit or is that just a render error?If you're taking feedback...
I'd like to see split bars and the extra 'B' in the spacebar kit please. Preferably the white bars.
they're in "Extra Mods" kit
I think they're talking about white split spacebars and not the accent colored ones.
Post by: OtherAndrew on Fri, 15 November 2019, 03:11:53
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 15 November 2019, 04:01:28
Great kits! Love that there are two separate base kits so you won't be forced to buy an additional alpha kit!
One of the main things I hear a lot about the OG Olivia set is that there only are accents spacebars. With that in mind, have you considered adding alpha colored split spacebar support to perhaps the add-on kit or the spacebar kit? I honestly don't have an exact idea how to split this up, since it would either make the add-on kit very big (and most likely expensive) or would mean that for 40's support you'd have to buy both spacebar kit AND 40's kit. My first gut feeling would be to keep the add-on as-is but alpha colored split spacebar support to the spacebar kit making that slightly larger.
Post by: Dakk1d on Fri, 15 November 2019, 04:47:05
Post by: olsen34 on Fri, 15 November 2019, 04:55:55
So much drama surrounding this set. Shush and be grateful you're even getting a chance to order it again. :eek:
If you don't know what's going on then kindly shut up. ;D
Post by: ActuallySeph on Fri, 15 November 2019, 05:02:50
Post by: wukong_bot on Fri, 15 November 2019, 05:16:19
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
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Post by: slxdegrees on Fri, 15 November 2019, 05:19:17
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
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I think you both mean 1.5u...
Post by: wukong_bot on Fri, 15 November 2019, 05:22:46
Lmao sorry for being dumb. My eyes and brain don't work well at 6am@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
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I think you both mean 1.5u...
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Post by: ttom on Fri, 15 November 2019, 05:42:08
Post by: ActuallySeph on Fri, 15 November 2019, 05:50:55
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
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I think you both mean 1.5u...
Yeah. Sorry about that. Thanks for correcting
Post by: ctrlshiftba on Fri, 15 November 2019, 06:01:47
Post by: olivia on Fri, 15 November 2019, 06:23:18
@Olivia
Great kits! Love that there are two separate base kits so you won't be forced to buy an additional alpha kit!
One of the main things I hear a lot about the OG Olivia set is that there only are accents spacebars. With that in mind, have you considered adding alpha colored split spacebar support to perhaps the add-on kit or the spacebar kit? I honestly don't have an exact idea how to split this up, since it would either make the add-on kit very big (and most likely expensive) or would mean that for 40's support you'd have to buy both spacebar kit AND 40's kit. My first gut feeling would be to keep the add-on as-is but alpha colored split spacebar support to the spacebar kit making that slightly larger.
I did strongly consider the inclusion of alpha color split spacebars, but as you mentioned it grows the kits larger or requires purchasing more kits. Unfortunately the decision Zambumon and I ended up on was excluding them from the kits.
please consider changing the r2 1.50 delete to backspace, i don't see why you would put delete there
@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!Agreed was a bit confused by 1.75u delete instead of backspace
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@Olivia Amazing set overall! I've been really looking forward to this set. Just a question, can you still provide another key for a 1.75 Backspace? It seems missing since it is a 1.75 Delete button in the Core Kits. It's kinda weird looking in some boards that have the 1.75 backspace and regular delete button on top to have it both labelled as delete buttons. Thanks and have a great day!
This feedback was also given in the original topic so it is also quite nolstalgic: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94386.msg2582941#msg2582941
In short, I don't like any of the other options except for 1.5u Delete. As you can see in the OG HHKB, Delete was Fujitsu's solution as well. I appreciate you all bringing it up, I'm quite firm in my opinion on this.
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Post by: hb_swift on Fri, 15 November 2019, 06:42:36
Post by: mgsickler on Fri, 15 November 2019, 06:52:05
Is the GB limited quantity?
Nope! Unlimited.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 15 November 2019, 12:03:11
Keep the conversation about the keyset and stop with the personal attacks.
Post by: factoryofidols on Fri, 15 November 2019, 12:04:33
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Post by: bukowski on Fri, 15 November 2019, 12:05:40
Olivia are we allowed to organize a NorDeUK/Ortho/Colevrak compatibility groupbuy ourselfs?
Post by: Sigil on Fri, 15 November 2019, 12:13:59
In short, I don't like any of the other options except for 1.5u Delete. As you can see in the OG HHKB, Delete was Fujitsu's solution as well. I appreciate you all bringing it up, I'm quite firm in my opinion on this.
To be fair, the Delete key on the HHKB was a layout decision rather than an aesthetic one. If you don't flip dip switch 3 on an HHKBP2, that key actually is delete, with Backspace on the Fn layer. It doesn't really bother me though, I know what the key does and "Delete" is a nicer looking word.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 15 November 2019, 14:02:52
Okay let's try this again
Post by: tunadesu on Mon, 18 November 2019, 16:43:34
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 18 November 2019, 16:49:22
Can discussion remain open for 2 more weeks?!
what discussion, runner already said she had no intention on taking any input from this IC. Its just an advertisement
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 18 November 2019, 16:57:54
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561640161381842946/645042912987447307/unknown.png)
This is not my board of course.
Post by: Hedgey on Mon, 18 November 2019, 17:09:49
Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
Post by: PocketAces on Mon, 18 November 2019, 17:15:23
Apologies if this was already discussed before.
Love this set btw
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Post by: Rayndalf on Mon, 18 November 2019, 17:38:52
The thread was locked when "yeah this is getting a timeout" was posted, and the "okay lets try this again" was added when the thread was unlocked.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
I don't think the kits are subject to change at this point (especially since this omission of Minivan support is clearly intentional, and similar to the actions of the CIA, you probably won't get an answer), so you should look at all the other wonderful buys on the horizon and ask them instead :-*
Post by: hamilton on Mon, 18 November 2019, 17:57:45
So how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
Post by: PocketAces on Mon, 18 November 2019, 17:59:59
Okay sweet thanks. Any idea where people get something like that from gmk? I’m very new to this hobby lolSo how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
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Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 18 November 2019, 18:26:39
So how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
What sets have CP spacebars?
Post by: hamilton on Mon, 18 November 2019, 18:38:57
So how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
What sets have CP spacebars?
I'm pretty sure hagoromo in oblivion uses CP
Post by: stevenT on Mon, 18 November 2019, 19:23:39
you should check GMK FuyuSo how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
What sets have CP spacebars?
Am I the only one think that ISO kit should just stay with core kit instead of getting split and price increase, I am ANSI user, though
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 18 November 2019, 19:56:07
you should check GMK FuyuSo how does one acquire the split white spacebars? It’s in one of the renders but it doesn’t look like it’s in any of the kits.
I'm pretty sure they were dropped, but they are a standard GMK color so you could find them elsewhere
What sets have CP spacebars?
Am I the only one think that ISO kit should just stay with core kit instead of getting split and price increase, I am ANSI user, though
Fuyu utilizes WS1. Hagoromo and Honeywell have CP space bars. I think Stormtrooper uses CP as well.
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 18 November 2019, 20:28:46
IC stands for "interest check". Clearly, by the number of times people have come on this thread to rant about there not being support for layout xyz, and how this is simply an ad, there is significant interest in the set. Hence, interest has been checked. I don't know what exactly people who clog up this thread with aimless comments are trying to achieve.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
Demanding that Olivia or Zambumon answer your questions directly is just petty. The reason why has been reiterated several times. If that's a dealbreaker for you, vote with your $. Half the people complaining will wind up getting the set anyways :)) :))
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 18 November 2019, 21:54:09
It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
And, let's be realistic here, between the seller's past behaviors and the closure of his shop gauranteeing
the ceasing of Minivan's production, do we still need to ask why there's no support for that board?
Post by: slxdegrees on Mon, 18 November 2019, 22:06:23
Couldn't have said it better myself. Runners, whilst encouraged to, are certainly NOT any obligation to respond to any queries/demands that may come his/her way, and likewise, simply posting a question in no way entitles one to an answer, no matter how desperate you may be for one.It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
And, let's be realistic here, between the seller's past behaviors and the closure of his shop gauranteeing
the ceasing of Minivan's production, do we still need to ask why there's no support for that board?
Post by: Krelbit on Mon, 18 November 2019, 22:36:35
Thanks, Olivia!
;)
Post by: Kerasan on Mon, 18 November 2019, 22:38:28
Post by: PocketAces on Mon, 18 November 2019, 22:51:16
Waiting for deskmat and artisan :cool:Same
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Post by: nappis on Mon, 18 November 2019, 23:37:22
It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.If the runner wants total control then why not order few thousand sets on her own and advertise and hype the sale with nonsense puzzles for as long as she likes?
And, let's be realistic here, between the seller's past behaviors and the closure of his shop gauranteeing
the ceasing of Minivan's production, do we still need to ask why there's no support for that board?
The runner needs us for this group buy to happen. It's bad form to ignore input.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 18 November 2019, 23:45:42
Post by: Aevyn on Mon, 18 November 2019, 23:49:44
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Post by: factoryofidols on Mon, 18 November 2019, 23:50:51
There is no ceasing or minivan production just a closing of the shop and a change in the way things will happen, and even if there were it doesn’t change the fact that there are a ton of minivan users out there. Past behavior what a joke, the current pettiness of designers who are still boycotting a couple keys is what needs to be answered.It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
And, let's be realistic here, between the seller's past behaviors and the closure of his shop gauranteeing
the ceasing of Minivan's production, do we still need to ask why there's no support for that board?
I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 19 November 2019, 00:13:23
I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Designers do not owe anyone justification for their decisions. They will offer it at their discretion, to be polite to people who politely ask.
If their decisions are not to your liking, then the respectful thing to do is to vote with your wallet, not to not continue whining in the IC thread and criticizing the designer's decisions.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 19 November 2019, 00:14:48
I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Designers do not owe anyone justification for their decisions. They will offer it at their discretion, to be polite to people who politely ask.
If their decisions are not to your liking, then the respectful thing to do is to vote with your wallet, not to not continue whining in the IC thread and criticizing the designer's decisions.
this is actively the best way i've ever seen this worded
Post by: factoryofidols on Tue, 19 November 2019, 00:15:48
Orrrrr maybe designers could actually take feedback in an IC instead of ignoring literally any suggestion.I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Designers do not owe anyone justification for their decisions. They will offer it at their discretion, to be polite to people who politely ask.
If their decisions are not to your liking, then the respectful thing to do is to vote with your wallet, not to not continue whining in the IC thread and criticizing the designer's decisions.
Ultimately it’s obvious that van support got removed because Zamb got involved and still has twisted knickers. I just wish it would get admitted.
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Post by: slxdegrees on Tue, 19 November 2019, 00:18:39
And what would admitting that do for you? It wouldn't change the fact that support is still not gonna be added for the van or any of the other boards that chooses to use the same layout. And I guess you could also consider your suggestions received, considered and discarded.Orrrrr maybe designers could actually take feedback in an IC instead of ignoring literally any suggestion.I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Designers do not owe anyone justification for their decisions. They will offer it at their discretion, to be polite to people who politely ask.
If their decisions are not to your liking, then the respectful thing to do is to vote with your wallet, not to not continue whining in the IC thread and criticizing the designer's decisions.
Ultimately it’s obvious that van support got removed because Zamb got involved and still has twisted knickers. I just wish it would get admitted.
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Post by: Wilba on Tue, 19 November 2019, 00:25:48
Orrrrr maybe designers could actually take feedback in an IC instead of ignoring literally any suggestion.I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Designers do not owe anyone justification for their decisions. They will offer it at their discretion, to be polite to people who politely ask.
If their decisions are not to your liking, then the respectful thing to do is to vote with your wallet, not to not continue whining in the IC thread and criticizing the designer's decisions.
Ultimately it’s obvious that van support got removed because Zamb got involved and still has twisted knickers. I just wish it would get admitted.
Can you please explain how you can tell the difference between a designer ignoring feedback, and a designer considering feedback yet not changing their mind?
Also, as far as I am aware, this is GMK Olivia++, designed by Olivia, just like the original GMK Olivia.
Are you suggesting Olivia can't design a keycap set without help from Zambumon?
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 19 November 2019, 01:41:32
Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
There is no ceasing or minivan production just a closing of the shop and a change in the way things will happen, and even if there were it doesn’t change the fact that there are a ton of minivan users out there. Past behavior what a joke, the current pettiness of designers who are still boycotting a couple keys is what needs to be answered.It's an IC, not a democratic vote. GB runners are not obligated in any way to satisfy your needs, no matter how many ask for the same thing.Yeah this is getting a time out.So you going to delete the thread or move it to vendor posts? Because there is no discussion and this isn’t an IC.
Okay let's try this again
I still want Either Olivia or Zamb to respond why they removed Van Support when it was in R1 and she owns a minivan herself.
And, let's be realistic here, between the seller's past behaviors and the closure of his shop gauranteeing
the ceasing of Minivan's production, do we still need to ask why there's no support for that board?
I ask my question again what justification is there for removing support for the van when it was in R1?
Orrrrr maybe designers could actually take feedback in an IC instead of ignoring literally any suggestion.
Ultimately it’s obvious that van support got removed because Zamb got involved and still has twisted knickers. I just wish it would get admitted.
We're not going to move it to vendor posts. Historically, we had intended for the main vendor subforum to be for vendor group buys, but we've found over time that people were missing or just plain not noticing vendor GBs as a result. So, to simplify things, we renamed the GB forum to "Group Buys and Preorders" in order to simplify things for users. Not everyone may read Spy or even check gh on a daily or weekly basis, so to come back after a stint of inactivity, it just easier if they're all in one place. Similarly, it's just more convenient for teasers to also occupy the IC forum. I do believe that we can make a distinction between ICs which are actively taking input and "basically in the pipeline" buys that will likely not be making many, if any, major changes to the design.
That doesn't change the fact that much of the discourse from minivan users in this thread have been overly aggressive and condescending. Yes, there are a good number of minivans out there. But just like not every TKL user is going to buy Olivia++, not every minivan user would necessarily buy it. You especially, keep asserting that everyone else is being petty, while being extremely petty yourself. Not everyone that disagrees with you is a shill. And continuously acting like an ******* is certainly not going to get OP (or anyone) to change their minds about support for minivan.
You both have made your case; There's really no reason for you to continue posting in this thread. If you want to talk about the HuB stuff or the resulting fallout, feel free to start a thread in the keyboards or keycaps subforums, because a good chunk of people here may not know about it as it all happened over a year ago. That said, it was over a year ago and OP's position on the matter has likely settled so antagonizing is only going to reinforce their position on the matter.
Please keep the discussion civil and preferably not passive-aggressive. Any more pointed arguments will be removed without question and the user muted. Puddsy, if you ****post in here again, you're out for three days.
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Tue, 19 November 2019, 02:11:26
In short, I don't like any of the other options except for 1.5u Delete. As you can see in the OG HHKB, Delete was Fujitsu's solution as well. I appreciate you all bringing it up, I'm quite firm in my opinion on this.Show Image(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-bj9b4ipm7o/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/3237/5563/CG01000-291601__23345.1541094873.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on)
This makes a lot of sense.
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 19 November 2019, 02:20:31
Post by: leexy on Tue, 19 November 2019, 02:24:32
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Tue, 19 November 2019, 02:39:31
Especially in the today’s market and with a set like this, where meeting MOQ for the main kits is pretty much guaranteed to happen.
Sets like Colevrak and minivan, imho should just be thrown into their own kits apart from the major child kits. If there a so many mini van users who even change keycaps, then the set would make MOQ on its own. All the other 40s users would make the regular 40s kit happen.
I take it back—I DO understand why it’s not done. It’s a waste of time and energy for the designer to put that much effort into something they don’t care about, and the community involved with it have been openly hostile.
My suggestion: in the future, politely ask to run a separate GB for niche child kits. That person then would have to put the effort of designing the kit, doing/commissioning renders, and promoting the GB.
GMK beige Hangul and Greek alpha buys are good examples of successful recent small kits that easily hit MOQ.
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 19 November 2019, 02:53:48
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Post by: trizkut on Tue, 19 November 2019, 02:58:28
Now that all the criticism has been deleted by the mod the thread is open again for advertising purposes. So that's how this works.
I deleted 5 puddsy posts and 1 pot-stirring emote reply. But nice try.
Post by: Khers on Tue, 19 November 2019, 03:22:04
[...] don't care for Olivia at all.
You seem to care a whole lot for someone who doesn't care, harelkein.
Post by: bukowski on Tue, 19 November 2019, 03:42:11
Also I'd like to ask OP again if "we"/someone would even be a allowed to run these minority-kits in Olivia++ colour-combination regardless of if it is allowed buy GMK or not.
Thanks. :-)
Post by: gateronyellowcult on Tue, 19 November 2019, 03:42:40
Post by: vi0till on Tue, 19 November 2019, 05:02:32
i think we are missing a rama cap?yeah hope there will be rama caps or other artisan
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Post by: beamingrobot on Tue, 19 November 2019, 06:15:29
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:34:34
Nice kits and prices Olivia, a little sad that I can't proxy the set this time around but I'm definitely setting aside funds for this :thumb:
IlumKB is proxying this at least! So there's a plus for the Singapore community. ;D
Post by: Emir on Tue, 19 November 2019, 11:52:25
Zambumon killed any chance of icon mods. :'(
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 19 November 2019, 12:08:49
While ya'll busy discussing 40s and nordeuk and whatnot, you are all ignoring the real issue at hand.Icon plus text is great. Best compromise anyway.
Zambumon killed any chance of icon mods. :'(
Also, this is an R2 not a v2 haha
Post by: bciamny on Tue, 19 November 2019, 12:11:18
Nice kits and prices Olivia, a little sad that I can't proxy the set this time around but I'm definitely setting aside funds for this :thumb:
seriously, the prices are pretty awesome. looking forward to this.
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 19 November 2019, 12:19:37
While ya'll busy discussing 40s and nordeuk and whatnot, you are all ignoring the real issue at hand.
Zambumon killed any chance of icon mods. :'(
Please no. I hate icon mods. Let me have this one set please..
Post by: LXVRGS on Tue, 19 November 2019, 12:24:47
While ya'll busy discussing 40s and nordeuk and whatnot, you are all ignoring the real issue at hand.
Zambumon killed any chance of icon mods. :'(
This is your mind on icon mods, say no to icon mods kids.
Post by: Signature on Tue, 19 November 2019, 12:40:38