[Oddforge] VE.A 2nd

[PainMaster]

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* 2018/11/25

Thank you for pointing out the details I didn't mention.

That's quite interesting.
The nameplates are replaceable

We were able to add color to the sample production process
and used several different colors to identify the range of colors we could express.

Actually, the nameplate color is not like that.




Communication is on this side.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2683073





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* 2018/11/24

Sample production Open.

Information web page Open.  (oddforge.com)


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* 2017/12/10

Sample production completed.

Build with PainMaster

Testing in private

[AuthenticDanger]

Excited for this board!

[switchnollie]

In for 6

[superdoedoe]

In for 6

[OneNightFriend]

[phatty]

Yeah, put me down. Bummed I missed the previous round

[aeryxz]

Looks Dope.
Any SKU with B on the right side?

[P1kas]

Will latency issues be resolved? Supposedly one half of the VE.A had some lag?

[Puddsy]

Will latency issues be resolved? Supposedly one half of the VE.A had some lag?

it still uses sata so no

[urbantheii]

I can't wait for this to finally happen

[Sup]

I need this!

[crykn]

How bad was the latency issue?

[Vigrith]

How bad was the latency issue?

Very.

[P1kas]

This is a very underwhelming V2 if the latency issue hasn't been resolved.

Is that going to be the only color available for the VE.A logo badge?

[Skull_Angel]

Looking forward to v2

[AuthenticDanger]

Here's a complaint about the lag from over a year ago:

Jump to 2:38 for the complaint

EDIT:
Found this thread, too
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5gbr5i/help_vea_ps2avrgb_firmware_input_lagdelay/

[clik_clak]

Here's a complaint about the lag from over a year ago:

Jump to 2:38 for the complaint

EDIT:
Found this thread, too
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5gbr5i/help_vea_ps2avrgb_firmware_input_lagdelay/

As I said...a single youtube video.

And that reddit thread mentions absolutely nothing about the latency being caused by the SATA cable. As a matter of fact, they clearly point to it being a firmware/processing issue, specifically as they ran into the same issue with the Leeku pcb's

[HouseofSuffering]

I had an original VE.A and never experienced latency issues with it.

Even when I heard rumblings and a few people complaining about it and I tried to see if I could duplicate it on mine......never could.

Guy I sold it to never complained about latency issues to me afterwards either.

[AuthenticDanger]

Here's a complaint about the lag from over a year ago:

Jump to 2:38 for the complaint

EDIT:
Found this thread, too
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5gbr5i/help_vea_ps2avrgb_firmware_input_lagdelay/

As I said...a single youtube video.

And that reddit thread mentions absolutely nothing about the latency being caused by the SATA cable. As a matter of fact, they clearly point to it being a firmware/processing issue, specifically as they ran into the same issue with the Leeku pcb's

I didn't say it was the cable. I'm just providing information that was asked for in the locked IC. I certainly don't care WHY there's lag, but if it can be fixed, it should be.

Since there is limited availability for the VE.A & most people don't type at 100+ WMP, I'm not surprised that only 1 video calls out the lag.

Are you claiming that there isn't any lag?

[clik_clak]

Here's a complaint about the lag from over a year ago:

Jump to 2:38 for the complaint

EDIT:
Found this thread, too
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5gbr5i/help_vea_ps2avrgb_firmware_input_lagdelay/

As I said...a single youtube video.

And that reddit thread mentions absolutely nothing about the latency being caused by the SATA cable. As a matter of fact, they clearly point to it being a firmware/processing issue, specifically as they ran into the same issue with the Leeku pcb's

I didn't say it was the cable. I'm just providing information that was asked for in the locked IC. I certainly don't care WHY there's lag, but if it can be fixed, it should be.

Since there is limited availability for the VE.A & most people don't type at 100+ WMP, I'm not surprised that only 1 video calls out the lag.

Are you claiming that there isn't any lag?

I'm claiming that people are blowing this way out of proportion. The vast majority of people are complaining that its the SATA cable that is causing the latency, yet I haven't seen a single shred of info that indicates its the SATA that's causing it.

Yes, if there's latency it should be fixed. But then again, people just assuming there will be latency are making rather large assumptions.

[HouseofSuffering]

Here's a complaint about the lag from over a year ago:

Jump to 2:38 for the complaint

EDIT:
Found this thread, too
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5gbr5i/help_vea_ps2avrgb_firmware_input_lagdelay/

As I said...a single youtube video.

And that reddit thread mentions absolutely nothing about the latency being caused by the SATA cable. As a matter of fact, they clearly point to it being a firmware/processing issue, specifically as they ran into the same issue with the Leeku pcb's

I didn't say it was the cable. I'm just providing information that was asked for in the locked IC. I certainly don't care WHY there's lag, but if it can be fixed, it should be.

Since there is limited availability for the VE.A & most people don't type at 100+ WMP, I'm not surprised that only 1 video calls out the lag.

Are you claiming that there isn't any lag?

I'm claiming that people are blowing this way out of proportion. The vast majority of people are complaining that its the SATA cable that is causing the latency, yet I haven't seen a single shred of info that indicates its the SATA that's causing it.

Yes, if there's latency it should be fixed. But then again, people just assuming there will be latency are making rather large assumptions.

Agreed.

There were over 100 VE.As sold in MASSDROP group buy (I think it was 114), Then Oddforge sold off all the B Stocks......no to mention the handful of pre-production ones out there.

A handful of complaints when there are a 100+ boards out there......is not really the epidemic people are making it out to be.

There did seem to be an issue with some boards and that issue should be resolved.

But, if the issue was indeed as prevalent as people are leading us to believe, the actual cause and solution would of been found by now. But neither of those things ever happened....because all we have is a couple examples and a bunch of hearsay.....and yes people blaming the SATA cable (not authenticdanger, but others).

......I actually prefer the SATA cable connection..... I think it makes the VE.A unique and at the time of the original release is was just right for the VE.A. Zefyr explained why it had to be SATA way back in the old IC for the Original.

But at the same time I can also see how in 2018/2019 people are seeing it as an eyesore and outdated.

[MajorKoos]

I have 3 R1 units (yes, 3).
I've never experienced the lag issue, but I have had 2 SATA cables fail on me.
The standard SATA cable is too stiff to allow easy repositioning of the 2 halves.
I think it's the solid core wire which eventually fails.
I did find some more flexible silverstone cables (CP11), but they're even more prone to failure.

[Kavik]

I had the chance to get one on Massdrop but passed it up. I am down for a V2 model. 

[DillonHightower]

Im in sata cable or not..

[Sup]

I have 3 R1 units (yes, 3).
I've never experienced the lag issue, but I have had 2 SATA cables fail on me.
The standard SATA cable is too stiff to allow easy repositioning of the 2 halves.
I think it's the solid core wire which eventually fails.
I did find some more flexible silverstone cables (CP11), but they're even more prone to failure.

'

I think the lagg only appears if you go above a certain WPM.

[regionfree]

I have 3 R1 units (yes, 3).
I've never experienced the lag issue, but I have had 2 SATA cables fail on me.
The standard SATA cable is too stiff to allow easy repositioning of the 2 halves.
I think it's the solid core wire which eventually fails.
I did find some more flexible silverstone cables (CP11), but they're even more prone to failure.

'

I think the lagg only appears if you go above a certain WPM.

just finished building a v1 today and I usually type around 95~105 wpm. haven't been able to see the dropped letters so far. it could be that i'm actually typing below those numbers when doing normal work (those numbers are from 10ff). but anyway, i love this board and so glad that I could put my trackpad in between, with my hands able to position in a more comfortable way.

definitely in for v2. sata or not, this **** is good.

[MajorKoos]

I have 3 R1 units (yes, 3).
I've never experienced the lag issue, but I have had 2 SATA cables fail on me.
The standard SATA cable is too stiff to allow easy repositioning of the 2 halves.
I think it's the solid core wire which eventually fails.
I did find some more flexible silverstone cables (CP11), but they're even more prone to failure.

'

I think the lagg only appears if you go above a certain WPM.

just finished building a v1 today and I usually type around 95~105 wpm. haven't been able to see the dropped letters so far. it could be that i'm actually typing below those numbers when doing normal work (those numbers are from 10ff). but anyway, i love this board and so glad that I could put my trackpad in between, with my hands able to position in a more comfortable way.

definitely in for v2. sata or not, this **** is good.

I think we isolated this to the debounce delay being set too high.
It's configurable on the last tab of bootmapper client, and setting it to 1 or 2 seems to work.

My gripe with SATA is you either get a hard cable which gets in the way on any desk not cleared of everything to take glamor shots or you get a soft one from a SFF PC which breaks because they're not made for the abuse.  Like driving in a screw with a hammer, it works, but it's not ideal.

[trizkut]

I have 3 R1 units (yes, 3).
I've never experienced the lag issue, but I have had 2 SATA cables fail on me.
The standard SATA cable is too stiff to allow easy repositioning of the 2 halves.
I think it's the solid core wire which eventually fails.
I did find some more flexible silverstone cables (CP11), but they're even more prone to failure.

'

I think the lagg only appears if you go above a certain WPM.

avg 130wpm, bursts up to 165.  no lag here.

[Sintpinty]

Looks amazing!
The amount of lights, and the keyboard case looks really nice. Combine that with nice keycaps, and you've got yourself a good looking keyboard.

[litster]

Hello, any update on VE.A 2nd?  Thanks.