Looks amazing!
Will this fit my backlit Pok3r with ErgoDox and Planck compatibility?
Looks amazing!
Will this fit my backlit Pok3r with ErgoDox and Planck compatibility?
GMKs MOQ and price will make this set incompatible with the ErgoDox and Planck, but it will fit your Pok3r ;)
You'll note that some of these layouts do not currently have the proper keys in the render. We know that the FC660 extra left-shift and ISO-Nordic keys still need to be added. If there are any other additions that people want, please let us know in the thread.
I like the mods better but I'd probably buy the set.
I also dare to say that the arrows cluster should use the mods scheme.
Not sure if you are requesting us to say a) which keys are missing from the supported layouts you've listed or b) additional layouts we would like to see. If the former, there are several keys missing for 1800 and 75% support in the render.
2) Love the option for consistent F-keys colors. :thumb:
I'd have prefered brighter legends, but overall this set looks great and I'll be definitely in once it launches.
I always hated how nearly every single GMK set is X on white (at least for the alphas) and the only way to get some more colorfull keysets in Cherry(-like)-profile is to get something from SP, which are unreasonably expensive.
Is it possible to get a stylised pine (cone?) instead (or in addition) of the winkey? I feel like the tea-symbol (茶) made a huge difference in the appearance of the green-tea set and this set would profit from something similar as well.
Really looking forward to this, especially if there will be no customs for europeans! Thanks a lot for your efforts.
I'd prefer it if the green alpha keys were a beige or something, with green legends. Hard to tell though, with GMK render colours being so off. I might light it more if there was a full render using accurate colours.
I agree with the preference for brighter legends, but the only option to fix that would've been custom colors. The two greens that GMK have available as default colors are just a bit too close together, I think, and wouldn't contrast enough.I didn't mean a brighter green, but rather a pure white or something like that, but that would make the set look a lot like green tea, so I understand if you're not up for it.
I'd prefer it if the green alpha keys were a beige or something,That'd be a total dealbreaker for me.
I must be blind.I like the mods better but I'd probably buy the set.Yea, there are alternate arrow keys in the mod color scheme below the set.
I also dare to say that the arrows cluster should use the mods scheme.
I'd prefer it if the green alpha keys were a beige or something, with green legends. Hard to tell though, with GMK render colours being so off. I might light it more if there was a full render using accurate colours.
Yea, I have thought about doing that. If others feel the same we can request another render, but at this point I've gotten 3 from GMK, so I don't want to ask for a ton without knowing others' feelings on the set.
I have also thought about getting a 3rd party to do a full 3D render with more accurate colors, but wanted to see if there's some minimum of interest first before spending $ to do that. I do think a non-GMK render will show the color contrast a bit better. Not exactly sure why theirs are so off from their own swatches.
I'd prefer it if the green alpha keys were a beige or something, with green legends. Hard to tell though, with GMK render colours being so off. I might light it more if there was a full render using accurate colours.
Yea, I have thought about doing that. If others feel the same we can request another render, but at this point I've gotten 3 from GMK, so I don't want to ask for a ton without knowing others' feelings on the set.
I have also thought about getting a 3rd party to do a full 3D render with more accurate colors, but wanted to see if there's some minimum of interest first before spending $ to do that. I do think a non-GMK render will show the color contrast a bit better. Not exactly sure why theirs are so off from their own swatches.
I'm also not a fan of colored alphas, so I'd also prefer green on white/beige personally. I understand if you want to make something different and go with colored alphas though.
Ps. I love the N9/AE mods though, totally my style =D Ds.
[SNIP]QuoteNot sure if you are requesting us to say a) which keys are missing from the supported layouts you've listed or b) additional layouts we would like to see. If the former, there are several keys missing for 1800 and 75% support in the render.
Thanks, both actually. Which are missing for 1800? I'm aware of the missing ones for 75% and they'll be added.
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R4 1u Numpad 0[SNIP]QuoteNot sure if you are requesting us to say a) which keys are missing from the supported layouts you've listed or b) additional layouts we would like to see. If the former, there are several keys missing for 1800 and 75% support in the render.
Thanks, both actually. Which are missing for 1800? I'm aware of the missing ones for 75% and they'll be added.
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For full 1800 support you would need
- R2 1x Numpad minus
- R3 1x Numpad plus
Definitely interested.
Yea, I could honestly go either way on the alphas direction - might be worth seeing the green on white/beige, at least, though I do agree with the sentiment earlier in the thread that there are too few GMK sets with colored alphas. Any green on white/beige would need to be sufficiently different from royal alpha.
One option, if there aren't enough people on one side or the other w/r/t the alphas - we could run the mod set separately. It does seem like the reception for those is better overall, between here and reddit. And they could be paired with royal alpha alphas as another alternate mod set for that kit.
Very interested.This ^ (although Prt Sc instead of Print Sc, as I don't think GMK has the latter)
I would love it if the "Ctrl" legends were changed to Control, and if the Ins and Del and Print legends were changed to Insert, Delete, and Print Sc. Would also love to see a r2 backspace, and r3 control added for HHKB like layout support, but its your set so choose whichever you prefer ;D
R4 1u Numpad 0[SNIP]QuoteNot sure if you are requesting us to say a) which keys are missing from the supported layouts you've listed or b) additional layouts we would like to see. If the former, there are several keys missing for 1800 and 75% support in the render.
Thanks, both actually. Which are missing for 1800? I'm aware of the missing ones for 75% and they'll be added.
[SNIP]
For full 1800 support you would need
- R2 1x Numpad minus
- R3 1x Numpad plus
Where are the Nordic keys? This feels like GMK American Pine. :(
We also tentatively plan to add nordic layout compatibility with the next round of renders. This should not require any custom molds, and should add about $5-10 to the cost of the base set. We are about 90% on this, but will reevaluate and keep the thread updated as we learn more about this option. I am strongly of the opinion that, given GMK's relatively high MOQs compared to SP, breaking off compatibility keys into child kits is a poor option for this set. GMK Nordic Pine will thus consist of a single set, but with ample layout compatibility and a reasonable cost due to no custom legends, no custom colors, and the potential for a unique tax/shipping savings (details coming soon).
What he said.Very interested.This ^ (although Prt Sc instead of Print Sc, as I don't think GMK has the latter)
I would love it if the "Ctrl" legends were changed to Control, and if the Ins and Del and Print legends were changed to Insert, Delete, and Print Sc. Would also love to see a r2 backspace, and r3 control added for HHKB like layout support, but its your set so choose whichever you prefer ;D
I couldn't buy the set without those changes, but would certainly buy it with them. Also, further to the changes suggested, I would suggested that you add "Sys Rq" and "Break" side printed legends in green to Prt Sc and Pause respectively.
Would also love to see scooped f/j keys.
Where are the Nordic keys? This feels like GMK American Pine. :(
meetWe also tentatively plan to add nordic layout compatibility with the next round of renders. This should not require any custom molds, and should add about $5-10 to the cost of the base set. We are about 90% on this, but will reevaluate and keep the thread updated as we learn more about this option. I am strongly of the opinion that, given GMK's relatively high MOQs compared to SP, breaking off compatibility keys into child kits is a poor option for this set. GMK Nordic Pine will thus consist of a single set, but with ample layout compatibility and a reasonable cost due to no custom legends, no custom colors, and the potential for a unique tax/shipping savings (details coming soon).
(Yeah, I missed it too at first).
Where are the Nordic keys? This feels like GMK American Pine. :(
meetWe also tentatively plan to add nordic layout compatibility with the next round of renders. This should not require any custom molds, and should add about $5-10 to the cost of the base set. We are about 90% on this, but will reevaluate and keep the thread updated as we learn more about this option. I am strongly of the opinion that, given GMK's relatively high MOQs compared to SP, breaking off compatibility keys into child kits is a poor option for this set. GMK Nordic Pine will thus consist of a single set, but with ample layout compatibility and a reasonable cost due to no custom legends, no custom colors, and the potential for a unique tax/shipping savings (details coming soon).
(Yeah, I missed it too at first).
Ooh!
Will buy 2 sets :D
- R5 bottom row. Honestly I like it myself, have a BSP set with it and it feels great. But I'm wary of scaring people away with it, I'm not even sure GMK does R5 though of course cherry molds exist for it, and I'd like the mod keys especially to stay compatible with other GMK sets, none of which use R5.Thanks for taking it into consideration. If it's not gonna be in the main set, which I totally expect, at least, please, try and gather the interest for a child set.
MoreWhere are the Nordic keys? This feels like GMK American Pine. :(
meetWe also tentatively plan to add nordic layout compatibility with the next round of renders. This should not require any custom molds, and should add about $5-10 to the cost of the base set. We are about 90% on this, but will reevaluate and keep the thread updated as we learn more about this option. I am strongly of the opinion that, given GMK's relatively high MOQs compared to SP, breaking off compatibility keys into child kits is a poor option for this set. GMK Nordic Pine will thus consist of a single set, but with ample layout compatibility and a reasonable cost due to no custom legends, no custom colors, and the potential for a unique tax/shipping savings (details coming soon).
(Yeah, I missed it too at first).
Ooh!
Will buy 2 sets :D
Thanks soilheart - was about to post the same.
Thanks also all for the suggestions for additions. So far, the plans for the next set of renders include:
- Adding the missing 1800/75% keys
- Adding the missing extra shift for FC660
- Adding the missing nordic keys
- Adding the missing key next to iso enter
- Changing the ins/del/print/etc to their longer versions (Ctrl will likely stay the same - just personal preference, unless more folks would prefer the full Control)
- F/J will also definitely be scoops. I requested that originally, not sure why the render has bars.
The ones I'm not sure about are:
- Adding the HHKB compatability keys. Would users of that layout be ok w/ just the r1 pipe/backslash 1u and r2 backspace 1.5u keys, without the r3 control and r4 1.75u shift? I'm looking for places to pare down, and my general philosophy for layout compatibility is to prioritize profile/size compatibility over proper legends. I'd love to have HHKB compatibility in the set overall, but it might require some hard choices over full 1800 vs full hhkb to keep costs down. [Edit: the more I think about this this afternoon, the more I think I will look into adding all the requested HHKB-compatible keys. If anything I would guess there are more MX HHKB users than 1800, though of course if the costs are doable then we'd want to support both.]
- How would folks feel about losing the green-primary arrows, and shifting the dark-gray-primary arrows currently in the "extras" half of the render into the main set?
- Winkey - I also don't like the Win10 logo, but I think it is one of those things where a small percentage really object to it while most others are neutral or mildly in favor. Informal poll: would people prefer Win10, Win98, a custom logo (e.g. stylized pine tree - extra cost for custom mold), CODE, or blank?
Things I'm not planning to change for the next set of renders:
- Main color choices. On the one hand, I'm curious to see what the set would look like as kind of a "dolch-lite with bright green uniform legends" a la sky dolch, but most in the thread seem to support the colorscheme overall, so I think it will probably stand for now.
- R5 bottom row. Honestly I like it myself, have a BSP set with it and it feels great. But I'm wary of scaring people away with it, I'm not even sure GMK does R5 though of course cherry molds exist for it, and I'd like the mod keys especially to stay compatible with other GMK sets, none of which use R5.
Things I'm not planning to change for the next set of renders:
- Main color choices. On the one hand, I'm curious to see what the set would look like as kind of a "dolch-lite with bright green uniform legends" a la sky dolch, but most in the thread seem to support the colorscheme overall, so I think it will probably stand for now.
I like the direction. The green alphas might be a little hard to make out in harsh light but count me interested overall.
- Winkey - I also don't like the Win10 logo, but I think it is one of those things where a small percentage really object to it while most others are neutral or mildly in favor. Informal poll: would people prefer Win10, Win98, a custom logo (e.g. stylized pine tree - extra cost for custom mold), CODE, or blank?
- Winkey - I also don't like the Win10 logo, but I think it is one of those things where a small percentage really object to it while most others are neutral or mildly in favor. Informal poll: would people prefer Win10, Win98, a custom logo (e.g. stylized pine tree - extra cost for custom mold), CODE, or blank?
I love blanks for those keys. Custom logo or CODE would also be good
- Winkey - I also don't like the Win10 logo, but I think it is one of those things where a small percentage really object to it while most others are neutral or mildly in favor. Informal poll: would people prefer Win10, Win98, a custom logo (e.g. stylized pine tree - extra cost for custom mold), CODE, or blank?Personally I have nothing against the win 10 logo, I'd just like a custom molded Pinecone (or something similar) as an eyecatcher, just like the "cha" character was for Green Tea. Pad printed would be okay too, as long as it (the pad-printing) has a different colour than the other mods, as the different states of decay on my OG skidata look horrible.
(Ctrl will likely stay the same - just personal preference, unless more folks would prefer the full Control)I actually prefer Control as well, at least for cherry-profile. It is no big deal for me though.
- How would folks feel about losing the green-primary arrowsDo not care, as I'll use it on a 60% keyboard anyway
"dolch-lite with bright green uniform legends"I feel like we need an own GB for that, as it sounds delicious, but very different to the current render (which looks great also)
i prefer to AE or other green "CODE" legend in black
just from my pointview.i prefer to AE or other green "CODE" legend in black
Why CODE in black it would just look off and out of place with the set?
Still no 75% compatibility? Will the renders updated later?
CODE or blank are my preference.
For the HHKB layout, split right shift is kinda necessary.
Quote- Winkey - I also don't like the Win10 logo, but I think it is one of those things where a small percentage really object to it while most others are neutral or mildly in favor. Informal poll: would people prefer Win10, Win98, a custom logo (e.g. stylized pine tree - extra cost for custom mold), CODE, or blank?Personally I have nothing against the win 10 logo, I'd just like a custom molded Pinecone (or something similar) as an eyecatcher, just like the "cha" character was for Green Tea. Pad printed would be okay too, as long as it (the pad-printing) has a different colour than the other mods, as the different states of decay on my OG skidata look horrible.Quote(Ctrl will likely stay the same - just personal preference, unless more folks would prefer the full Control)I actually prefer Control as well, at least for cherry-profile. It is no big deal for me though.
I know it's a long shot, but maybe you could include both, the excess one can be used on (Sky) Dolch :D.Quote- How would folks feel about losing the green-primary arrowsDo not care, as I'll use it on a 60% keyboard anywayQuote"dolch-lite with bright green uniform legends"I feel like we need an own GB for that, as it sounds delicious, but very different to the current render (which looks great also)
"dolch-lite with bright green uniform legends" a la sky dolch,
Please don't add ISO-Nordic support. Too few people to justify everyone paying more.
I disagree. Adding Nordic keys would bring something different and an uniqueness to the set. It is not called Nordic Pine for nothing. Just like Cyrillic is considered in the Yuri SA set.There's an easy way to test for that. Has there ever been a successful group buy with nordic keys? No. Imsto couldn't even reach an MOQ of 20 (if I remember the number correctly) buyers for his last group buy. Comparatively, there's always been a lot of interest in Cyrillic, Japanese and Korean sets and plenty of successful group buys. This makes sense, because all three are exotic, but also still have US legends.
I am from Sweden so naturally I am a little bit biased. Still I stand behind my statement above and truly believe in it. Just as I want both Japanese and Korean sets.
Sooner or later there must be a first ;)I disagree. Adding Nordic keys would bring something different and an uniqueness to the set. It is not called Nordic Pine for nothing. Just like Cyrillic is considered in the Yuri SA set.There's an easy way to test for that. Has there ever been a successful group buy with nordic keys? No. Imsto couldn't even reach an MOQ of 20 (if I remember the number correctly) buyers for his last group buy. Comparatively, there's always been a lot of interest in Cyrillic, Japanese and Korean sets and plenty of successful group buys. This makes sense, because all three are exotic, but also still have US legends.
I am from Sweden so naturally I am a little bit biased. Still I stand behind my statement above and truly believe in it. Just as I want both Japanese and Korean sets.
I disagree. Adding Nordic keys would bring something different and an uniqueness to the set. It is not called Nordic Pine for nothing. Just like Cyrillic is considered in the Yuri SA set.There's an easy way to test for that. Has there ever been a successful group buy with nordic keys? No. Imsto couldn't even reach an MOQ of 20 (if I remember the number correctly) buyers for his last group buy. Comparatively, there's always been a lot of interest in Cyrillic, Japanese and Korean sets and plenty of successful group buys. This makes sense, because all three are exotic, but also still have US legends.
I am from Sweden so naturally I am a little bit biased. Still I stand behind my statement above and truly believe in it. Just as I want both Japanese and Korean sets.
Sooner or later there must be a first ;)People have been saying that for years now. If the plan is to add extra keys with nordic characters, that is an added cost. If the plan is to just not include all US characters, then alright.
Given the theme of the set, a Nordic kit might pull through. If MOQ is not met for the kit, then so be it and it can be pulled back. I do not understand how this would cost the other buyers more money. I might completely wrong on this of course.
IMSTO is producing the swedish keys, making your point moot. Besides, adding the nordic keys adds the same amount to the set as ansi support ;)I didn't know the Swedish set made it through. That's interesting, but doesn't quite make my point moot. The interest was still pretty low, and it's been that way for European sets for a long time. I actually agree that I think it would be better to drop ANSI support entirely. That way, the set can be kept cheap by not trying to be everything to everyone, and it will have the best chance possible to succeed. I'm somewhat skeptical, because people tend to complain that a set doesn't match all their requirements.
Would be fun to see if nordic+german set could be made. By dropping ansi support completely and sticking to the basics the price would be around 90$.
Would be fun to see if nordic+german set could be made. By dropping ansi support completely and sticking to the basics the price would be around 90$.
After reading this thread, other threads and posts on reddit I wonder if it's time to do a UK/DE/Nordic GMK set. Skip the ANSI unless there is great demand for it.
After reading this thread, other threads and posts on reddit I wonder if it's time to do a UK/DE/Nordic GMK set. Skip the ANSI unless there is great demand for it.
Having only a DE/Nordic GMK set will probably make it very hard to reach MOQ, maybe it might be possible if multiple forums are reached out to. It will probably be better to add ANSI-us instead of removing ISO-uk.After reading this thread, other threads and posts on reddit I wonder if it's time to do a UK/DE/Nordic GMK set. Skip the ANSI unless there is great demand for it.
I don't think that keeping UK in the kit is really worth it. UK ISO has more keys in common with ANSI than with DE/Nordic combined. I haven't counted them, but I approximate it would be around 15 keys to add it. With 15 keys we could rather add maybe 2-3 other languages that do not have GMK kits coming in once in a month.
After reading this thread, other threads and posts on reddit I wonder if it's time to do a UK/DE/Nordic GMK set. Skip the ANSI unless there is great demand for it.
I don't think that keeping UK in the kit is really worth it. UK ISO has more keys in common with ANSI than with DE/Nordic combined. I haven't counted them, but I approximate it would be around 15 keys to add it. With 15 keys we could rather add maybe 2-3 other languages that do not have GMK kits coming in once in a month.
Having only a DE/Nordic GMK set will probably make it very hard to reach MOQ, maybe it might be possible if multiple forums are reached out to. It will probably be better to add ANSI-us instead of removing ISO-uk.After reading this thread, other threads and posts on reddit I wonder if it's time to do a UK/DE/Nordic GMK set. Skip the ANSI unless there is great demand for it.
I don't think that keeping UK in the kit is really worth it. UK ISO has more keys in common with ANSI than with DE/Nordic combined. I haven't counted them, but I approximate it would be around 15 keys to add it. With 15 keys we could rather add maybe 2-3 other languages that do not have GMK kits coming in once in a month.
Personally I'd have standard ANSI-us and ISO-uk and make a very simple support for FR/SP/IT/DE/Nordic by removing the shift layer for the number keys as well as adding the å/ä/ö/ü/ø/æ/y/z/w/m/ñ/a/q/</,/./- keys along with a few blanks for the other not as commonly used keys. That would mean support for 8 extra languages by adding around 30 or 17 keys, depending on whether or not blanks are added. You could possibly add enough blank keys to make support both for the other languages as well as something like planck, that way some ansi users won't have to pay for too many keys that are unnecessary for them.
Having only a DE/Nordic GMK set will probably make it very hard to reach MOQ, maybe it might be possible if multiple forums are reached out to. It will probably be better to add ANSI-us instead of removing ISO-uk.After reading this thread, other threads and posts on reddit I wonder if it's time to do a UK/DE/Nordic GMK set. Skip the ANSI unless there is great demand for it.
I don't think that keeping UK in the kit is really worth it. UK ISO has more keys in common with ANSI than with DE/Nordic combined. I haven't counted them, but I approximate it would be around 15 keys to add it. With 15 keys we could rather add maybe 2-3 other languages that do not have GMK kits coming in once in a month.
Personally I'd have standard ANSI-us and ISO-uk and make a very simple support for FR/SP/IT/DE/Nordic by removing the shift layer for the number keys as well as adding the å/ä/ö/ü/ø/æ/y/z/w/m/ñ/a/q/</,/./- keys along with a few blanks for the other not as commonly used keys. That would mean support for 8 extra languages by adding around 30 or 17 keys, depending on whether or not blanks are added. You could possibly add enough blank keys to make support both for the other languages as well as something like planck, that way some ansi users won't have to pay for too many keys that are unnecessary for them.
We'd have to poll this, but I find it more likely that we can sell 150 kits to Germany and the nordics with the correct glyphs at under 100$ than something half assed for the whole world at 150-200$. People are already hesitant on adding even basic ISO support to their sets for just one layout because of additional cost to ANSI users (carbon etc.). Also I'm not aware that GMK has monolegends available (could be wrong though!) and the cost of additional molds (around 25 for full mono legends) would probably take the set way over 150$. Regarding blanks, I'd rather use blanks exclusively than sprinkled midst proper looking keys.
One way to get over this problem would be to split the set to three. a basic set with common keys between ANSI/UK and NorDe and two separate sets one with the rest of ANSI/UK keys and the other one with just NorDe keys. That way The price would not be bloated for either party and the MoQ would stay the same anyway for the 'more likely to succeed' ANSI set. Then if we get enough ISO buyers we could hit better price tiers for the basic set making the set cheaper for all.
One could even bundle the more America -oriented additional keys, like those for the HHKB and FC660 layouts, to the ANSI/UK set only and thus keep the basic+NorDe as a very cheap set.
After reading this thread, other threads and posts on reddit I wonder if it's time to do a UK/DE/Nordic GMK set. Skip the ANSI unless there is great demand for it.
I don't think that keeping UK in the kit is really worth it. UK ISO has more keys in common with ANSI than with DE/Nordic combined. I haven't counted them, but I approximate it would be around 15 keys to add it. With 15 keys we could rather add maybe 2-3 other languages that do not have GMK kits coming in once in a month.
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Ooh, pretty...
- Winkey - I also don't like the Win10 logo, but I think it is one of those things where a small percentage really object to it while most others are neutral or mildly in favor. Informal poll: would people prefer Win10, Win98, a custom logo (e.g. stylized pine tree - extra cost for custom mold), CODE, or blank?
Hi folks,I don't know man, but I might be willing to do a 0 profit run on it for kicks.
Sorry for the lack of updates - cross-country move and new job meant not nearly as much time for keyboard stuff as I had before.
I am inclined to either a) give this up, b) put it on hold for the foreseeable future, or c) hand it off to someone else interested in running it. Mostly, I feel the need for a highly compatible gray/black + green keyset is a bit less given the launch of GMK Terminal: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5j65sx/buyinggmk_terminal_gb_announcement/. There are a lot of similarities between the sets in terms of colors and included keys, and it's being run by a good group of folks, so if you were interested in this set I highly encourage you to check that one out.
If you'd still like to run this set despite the existence of Terminal, and are interested in taking point on revising the kits, please send me a PM, and I'll loop you into the email exchanges I had with GMK involving colors and included keys.
Thanks,
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