geekhack

geekhack Marketplace => Interest Checks => Topic started by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:07:35

Title: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:07:35
(https://imgur.com/j8wRtIn.png)

Hello all! I'm very excited to share my first keyset design with you: ePBT 6085.
This set takes inspiration from the Xerox 6085 / DocuTech keyboards:

(https://i.imgur.com/xWjyNFC.jpg)


Renders:

(https://i.imgur.com/Tk6ZW2F.png)
i69 by Illuminati Keyboards / Ion Keyboards
(https://i.imgur.com/9zGrvIg.png)
Iron180 by Smith + Rune
More
(https://i.imgur.com/CJXQlHl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4qcsm62.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/aJFCw1n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OpRKE8n.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YLfnoL4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UtltANG.jpg)
TMOv2 by Funderburker
(https://i.imgur.com/2hZtzlp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/L4NsMbT.jpg)
Prime_E by PrimeKB
(https://i.imgur.com/dlAnirv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UejAuuN.jpg)
HAUS by Hand Engineering


Kits:
(https://i.imgur.com/ptN00eV.jpg)
A modern, cherry-style, interpretation of the model 65D (the 6085 keyboard) keycap color scheme. Grays with a hint of beige, and beautiful red-violet alpha legends.
(https://imgur.com/h8JxyPQ.jpg)
Inspired by a reference I found in a Xerox 6085 product support manual to the 94D, the Japanese language keyboard model.
(https://i.imgur.com/dnvPSNL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CuDMgyR.jpg)
A collection of 65D inspired keys, many of which performed actions unique to Xerox’s ViewPoint software.
(https://i.imgur.com/E5jY3nv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/U7dakI5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/p7xtzxg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2vzGRVP.jpg)

ePBT Template Design:
More
(https://i.imgur.com/bZIhJKp.png)


Deskmat:
(https://imgur.com/2aIIPcu.jpg)
Sample Photo:
More
(https://i.imgur.com/T1KtXcV.jpg)


Colors:

(https://imgur.com/Bdbxvdm.png)
*A key from my Xerox board has been sent to KBDfans to color match the alpha base color. After rethinking the color choices, I decided to match a physical sample for the mod color, too.


Collaborations:
Rama Works:
(https://imgur.com/bNKJyWN.png)
(https://imgur.com/iYTeKl9.png)

The cherry on top to round off the 6085 aesthetic.

ZeusWorks:
(https://imgur.com/uO3kf8G.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LLVfTY5.jpg)

These will be limited to 15-20 cables, available from ZeusWorks directly after the GB starts.


General info

UPDATES AVAILABLE IN THE SECOND POST

Vendors:
NA: Keyspresso (https://keyspresso.ca/)
UK: Proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net/)
EU: MyKeyboard (https://mykeyboard.eu/)
AU: Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/)
Rest of World: KBDfans (https://kbdfans.com/)

Pricing:
KBDfansKeyspressoMyKeyboardProtoTypistDaily Clack
Base79.00 USD79.00 USD79.00 EURTBDTBD
Numpad18.00 USD18.00 USD18.00 EURTBDTBD
NorDeUK19.00 USD19.00 USD19.00 EURTBDTBD
40s25.00 USD25.00 USD25.00 EURTBDTBD
Spacebar10.00 USD10.00 USD10.00 EURTBDTBD
Hiragana20.00 USD20.00 USD20.00 EURTBDTBD
Cyrillic20.00 USD20.00 USD20.00 EURTBDTBD
Novelties19.00 USD19.00 USD19.00 EURTBDTBD

GB Date: April 15 - May 16

I made a discord: https://discord.gg/9Bx8US7TBR

Honorable Mentions / Credits:
  • Marco - thank you for the amazing renders and invaluable feedback on the kitting/design of the set. Marco's socials: Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/marfriedrichs/) | Twitter (https://twitter.com/marfriedrichs)
  • Puddsy - thank you for the words of encouragement: "Isn't this just worse Red Alert?"
  • Thank you to everyone on the Keyspresso discord for putting up with my endless droning about the set and for the valuable feedback and support.
  • Thank you to everyone on the Carolina Keyboards discord for their feedback.
  • Thank you to the Keycap Designers discord for answering my stupid questions, and for the awesome resources available there.

More context for the inspiration and nerdy computer history:

After years of searching, I recently obtained a Xerox DocuTech (JD-2) keyboard. My sole intent was not only to obtain the SKCM Green Alps it has, as is typically the case, but to own a piece of computer history that holds sentimental value for me. My grandfather worked at Xerox during the period that PARC (Palo Alto Research Center) was making important breakthroughs that shaped modern day computing as we know it. Perhaps their most important contribution was the creation of the "desktop metaphor" for the graphical user interface, first used internally at PARC on their Alto workstations. Later, it made its commercial debut with the Xerox Star system, which was eventually succeeded by the Xerox 6085 (or Xerox Daybreak) workstation on which this keyset is based.

The Xerox 6085 Professional Computer System - an old informational / sales video:

Xerox Star/ ViewPoint System overview - context behind the function of the keys featured in the novelty set:

Please consider adding this to your signature to support the set:
Code: [Select]
[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.0][img]https://imgur.com/QH4ijIH.png[/img][/url]
(https://imgur.com/QH4ijIH.png)
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:08:14
Updates:
  • (4/7) - added F13 to base kit.
  • (4/3) - added 6.25u and 7u keys to alt alpha kits and added rest of num row keys to Cyrillic kit.
  • (3/30) - announced collaborations, added updated renders.
  • (12/28) - kitting updated, samples ordered!
  • (10/6) - added 1u convex space to spacebars
  • (10/6) - added new/corrected legends to the Hiragana and Cyrillic sets
  • (10/6) - changed "num lock" to "num" to make it consistent with the other lock keys
  • (10/6) - corrected <> keys in the Base and NorDeUK kits
  • (10/9) - added updated hiragana board renders
  • (9/14) - Added NorDeUK kit
  • (9/14) - Added vendors
  • (9/14) - Moved second B to base
  • (9/14) - updated spacebar kit to include 6u off-center
  • (9/14) - Updated the scroll lock, print screen, and pause keys to all be single line, with front printing for the secondary functions
  • (9/21) - Updated kits following most suggestions given by Konstantin. Hiragana and Cyrillic kits unchanged, as I plan to use the existing ePBT legends for these.
  • (9/5) - Cyrillic alphas set in the works.
  • (9/5) - Updated colors to more accurately match the OG Xerox board. These colors should be final.
  • (9/6) - Cyrillic alphas added.
  • (9/6) - Pipe keys corrected and missing 4$€ key added.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:10:39
Intrigued!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: ilikerustoo on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:11:29
Sweet docutech!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Hugs94 on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:11:44
great inspiration. love the look of the mods.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: ibabo on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:12:44
This looks dope, I appreciate the large 40s kit
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: OtherAndrew on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:15:10
very cool
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: mcmaxmcmc on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:15:20
Very cool! The 6085 is definitely a looker in person and I hope this set'll turn out to be a looker too. :)
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: gnhuy91 on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:22:16
awesome, but why Hiragana sublegend tho imo Cyrillic sublegends make more sense for this theme
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: GaNeBaL on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:23:15
Nice Set, GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: marcofriedrichs on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:27:23
Nice, I'm in. GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: ButDutWut on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:28:11
I'm very down.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: zoo on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:29:51
My interest is super checked! Hard to go wrong when basing off a classic~
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:33:55
awesome, but why Hiragana sublegend tho imo Cyrillic sublegends make more sense for this theme

I chose Hiragana because there's a reference to the Japanese keyboard model, the 94D, in an old product support manual. I didn't see a Russian one listed, but I did see a generic "European" model listed, the 93D. So, I'm not sure if Cyrillic sublegends really make more sense for this one. However, I'm not completely opposed to the idea if people are in support of it.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:34:33
Nice Set, GLWIC

Thanks man  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: CustomerSupport on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:39:29
Really dig this! Unique novelties and loving the colorway.

Any chance to have 1.5u Super keys in a kit?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: jAngeles on Fri, 04 September 2020, 01:40:09
yesyesyes  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: gnhuy91 on Fri, 04 September 2020, 02:36:17
awesome, but why Hiragana sublegend tho imo Cyrillic sublegends make more sense for this theme

I chose Hiragana because there's a reference to the Japanese keyboard model, the 94D, in an old product support manual. I didn't see a Russian one listed, but I did see a generic "European" model listed, the 93D. So, I'm not sure if Cyrillic sublegends really make more sense for this one. However, I'm not completely opposed to the idea if people are in support of it.
thanks for the detail! I'd love a cyrillic alphas if its avail, but will also get a Latin alphas regardless
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Jampot_298 on Fri, 04 September 2020, 02:48:44
I wish this wasn't using epbt otherwise I'd be in. GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Rayndalf on Fri, 04 September 2020, 03:06:08
Oh yes. Between novelties and 40's this will make anything weird even weirder (and make left side F keys on boards like the Zenith looks great too)

Any chance for an ergodox kit (I know there isn't, but I guess I could ask, right?)

Edit: What will the homing keys be like? Just bars would be great, but if ePBT does scoops now those would be great too... really I prefer either to scooped + barred
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: zekth on Fri, 04 September 2020, 03:44:44
awesome, but why Hiragana sublegend tho imo Cyrillic sublegends make more sense for this theme

I chose Hiragana because there's a reference to the Japanese keyboard model, the 94D, in an old product support manual. I didn't see a Russian one listed, but I did see a generic "European" model listed, the 93D. So, I'm not sure if Cyrillic sublegends really make more sense for this one. However, I'm not completely opposed to the idea if people are in support of it.
thanks for the detail! I'd love a cyrillic alphas if its avail, but will also get a Latin alphas regardless

In for cyrillic!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: kiandelmundo on Fri, 04 September 2020, 03:52:36
cyrillic would be dope
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: bansheetango on Fri, 04 September 2020, 05:06:42
Too bad no EU vendor, will skip this.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 04 September 2020, 05:14:51
This set is giving me GMK DMG vibes.

The kitting split between 40s and Spacebars isn't exactly great. Consider doing it like EPBT Be The One (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108119.0). In fact, consider copying that set's kitting altogether where applicable.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: 100 percent horse on Fri, 04 September 2020, 07:18:43
Totally in for one of the grayscale deskpads.

Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: VXQN on Fri, 04 September 2020, 07:30:56
In the picture of the inspiration, the alphas are grey, but in the kit mock-ups they're beige-y. Any particular reason for this? Set looks great as it is (I want it), but I think the alphas would look better as light grey as it would really make the legends pop.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: of_sam on Fri, 04 September 2020, 08:38:52
+1 for Cyrillic
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: vi0till on Fri, 04 September 2020, 08:44:51
+1 for Cyrillic
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: KneeDeep on Fri, 04 September 2020, 08:48:08
Really digging this, GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: marcofriedrichs on Fri, 04 September 2020, 08:53:56
In the picture of the inspiration, the alphas are grey, but in the kit mock-ups they're beige-y. Any particular reason for this? Set looks great as it is (I want it), but I think the alphas would look better as light grey as it would really make the legends pop.


I do definitely agree that the alphas in the first photo look really grey/cool. When creating the renders I used different photos of the physical color sample (the one that got sent to KBDFans). This post made me think the color I used for the renders was way off, but I just checked again and I think they look pretty close to the pictures of the color sample (but a bit lighter). The color of the alphas is definitely a beige and not a cool grey, but I will talk to nu_types to make sure the colors in the renders are as close to the final result as possible, and correct inaccuracies in a potential second revision. Keep in mind however, that renders will never be 100% accurate.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:06:04
I wish this wasn't using epbt otherwise I'd be in. GLWIC

I'm sorry to hear that. I actually did reach out Hammer to see if there was interest in running the set as CRP but I didn't receive a reply. That said, I'm cautiously optimistic that ePBT will resolve many of their issues with their new molds.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:09:31
Oh yes. Between novelties and 40's this will make anything weird even weirder (and make left side F keys on boards like the Zenith looks great too)

Any chance for an ergodox kit (I know there isn't, but I guess I could ask, right?)

Edit: What will the homing keys be like? Just bars would be great, but if ePBT does scoops now those would be great too... really I prefer either to scooped + barred

I'm not sure about adding an ergodox kit, sorry. As for the homing keys, I'm planning on doing  both scooped, and barred. This should be possible now with the new ePBT molds.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:11:04
Too bad no EU vendor, will skip this.

I can look into doing local vendors, although typically ePBT is run solely through KBDfans. I know there's been exceptions to this such as Ivory. I can't make any promises.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:14:26
In the picture of the inspiration, the alphas are grey, but in the kit mock-ups they're beige-y. Any particular reason for this? Set looks great as it is (I want it), but I think the alphas would look better as light grey as it would really make the legends pop.

Looking at the renders and my board again, I agree that the alphas are slightly off, especially in the kit renders. The color is a bit cooler IRL, still with a touch of beige. The board renders with the hard lighting actually look very close to the real deal. I'll work with Marco to get some updated renders made, I may make further adjustments to the mod color to make it a tad darker as well.

Edit: for clarity, the photo is pretty off as well. The alphas are a little bit cooler IRL, but not as cool as they appear in the photo.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:15:26
+1 for Cyrillic

Since there seems to be a lot of interest in Cyrillic, I'll work to get something added.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Damonskv on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:25:10
The original legends are actually purple, why do you use dark red/burgundy?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: //gainsborough on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:34:49
I like this idea!  Mod colors seems a bit lighter than OG inspiration, as well as alpha legends - but I'll probably be in on this!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:37:25
The original legends are actually purple, why do you use dark red/burgundy?

I compared the RAL I chose to the actual keyboard I have, and it is a very close match. It's actually a bit more purple in color than the real thing because I wanted to account for fading/aging of the dye.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:40:45
I like this idea!  Mod colors seems a bit lighter than OG inspiration, as well as alpha legends - but I'll probably be in on this!

Thanks man! I'm actually working to get the mods darkened a bit. The RAL I chose is very close in hue, but is about 15%-20% lighter than the real thing. I'll probably just end up shipping a mod key to KBDfans for color matching as I did for the alpha keys.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:48:45
This is the first set to catch my attention in months. Extremely well put together, definitely going to buy a couple.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 12:02:11
This is the first set to catch my attention in months. Extremely well put together, definitely going to buy a couple.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Ensaum on Fri, 04 September 2020, 12:58:38
Looks great. I've been thinking about joining the PBT gang since gmk can no longer deliver flat space bars ;D
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: equalunique on Fri, 04 September 2020, 13:17:17
PBT 1u convex space keys? Even if this doesn't have a colevrak set, I have to join it now.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 13:44:17
Changes are in the works to:
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Fri, 04 September 2020, 13:45:50
PBT 1u convex space keys? Even if this doesn't have a colevrak set, I have to join it now.

Actually, this might be a render mistake. I'll need to make sure that ePBT can offer convex 1u.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Kinesiologist on Fri, 04 September 2020, 15:50:34
wow this already looks great, but will keep an eye on ur updates :D
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 05 September 2020, 01:13:00
Looks great. I've been thinking about joining the PBT gang since gmk can no longer deliver flat space bars ;D

buddy banana bars originated with PBT
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Ensaum on Sat, 05 September 2020, 01:23:06
Looks great. I've been thinking about joining the PBT gang since gmk can no longer deliver flat space bars ;D

buddy banana bars originated with PBT

I am aware. But at least with pbt I can just heat them up and flatten them.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Cujo96 on Sat, 05 September 2020, 03:10:31
hmm... cyrillic option plus OCE vendor (DailyClack) and I'm in
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: emerge on Sat, 05 September 2020, 06:25:05
Cyrillic sublegends and I'm in

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 05 September 2020, 08:06:44
It is time for the bar wars.

For historical/aesthetical reasons that refuse to die, the vertical bar (u+007c, | ) is displayed in many sets as the broken bar (U+00a6, ¦ ). In keysets that only support the English (US) national layout this is not much of a problem, but...

As things go, the broken bar symbol IS available in quite a few national layouts, English (UK) in particular. Your set, as it stands now, supports both English (US) over ANSI and English (UK) over ISO... but uses the same legend (¦) to represent the vertical bar (in each \| keycap) and the broken bar (in the UK-specific `¬¦ keycap). I would suggest using the vertical bar to represent... the vertical bar.


Also R3 \| , yadda yadda yadda...



EDIT: also, 4$€.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:51:04
Hello all! A few updates:

Furthermore, I'm looking into getting proxies set up as requested by a few users. I've reached out to KBDfans regarding this.

Regarding the addition of a Cyrillic set, I'm interested in knowing what people think of splitting the Latin alphas from the base set and offering a generic modifier set and separate alphas. I originally wanted to offer a solid base kit that would offer enough compatibility for most people, but I'm wondering if that's the right way to go if there are 3 different alpha kits?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 05 September 2020, 20:53:35
It is time for the bar wars.

For historical/aesthetical reasons that refuse to die, the vertical bar (u+007c, | ) is displayed in many sets as the broken bar (U+00a6, ¦ ). In keysets that only support the English (US) national layout this is not much of a problem, but...

As things go, the broken bar symbol IS available in quite a few national layouts, English (UK) in particular. Your set, as it stands now, supports both English (US) over ANSI and English (UK) over ISO... but uses the same legend (¦) to represent the vertical bar (in each \| keycap) and the broken bar (in the UK-specific `¬¦ keycap). I would suggest using the vertical bar to represent... the vertical bar.


Also R3 \| , yadda yadda yadda...



EDIT: also, 4$€.

Thanks for the feedback! I'm working to get the missing UK ISO '4' key added and the pipe keys update accordingly
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: jimboytacos on Sat, 05 September 2020, 22:01:14
I'm all over those novelties. Yes!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: IMZO on Sat, 05 September 2020, 22:04:12
oh its pretty, GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 06 September 2020, 09:48:51
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: directheatedtriode on Sun, 06 September 2020, 10:20:52
Hello all! A few updates:
  • I updated the colors to more accurately match the OG Xerox board and had new renders made. These colors should be final.
  • A Cyrillic alphas set is in the works.

Furthermore, I'm looking into getting proxies set up as requested by a few users. I've reached out to KBDfans regarding this.

Regarding the addition of a Cyrillic set, I'm interested in knowing what people think of splitting the Latin alphas from the base set and offering a generic modifier set and separate alphas. I originally wanted to offer a solid base kit that would offer enough compatibility for most people, but I'm wondering if that's the right way to go if there are 3 different alpha kits?

Would this include a US proxy? Honestly not a fan of how KBDfans customer service the one time I had to deal with an issue.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Sun, 06 September 2020, 11:15:17
Love it
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Hadi on Sun, 06 September 2020, 12:20:39
Variations on OG colorways are my thing. I'd pick up a kit!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 06 September 2020, 12:58:10
Hello all! A few updates:
  • I updated the colors to more accurately match the OG Xerox board and had new renders made. These colors should be final.
  • A Cyrillic alphas set is in the works.

Furthermore, I'm looking into getting proxies set up as requested by a few users. I've reached out to KBDfans regarding this.

Regarding the addition of a Cyrillic set, I'm interested in knowing what people think of splitting the Latin alphas from the base set and offering a generic modifier set and separate alphas. I originally wanted to offer a solid base kit that would offer enough compatibility for most people, but I'm wondering if that's the right way to go if there are 3 different alpha kits?

Would this include a US proxy? Honestly not a fan of how KBDfans customer service the one time I had to deal with an issue.

Sorry to hear that :(. I am planning on looking for a NA proxy as well... Just waiting on word from KBDfans before I start going down that route.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 06 September 2020, 15:35:15
Colorways like this is just too good, very lovely set! :thumb:

For the regular alphas would a nordeuk / international kit be possible? Should be ok todo with ePBT, child kits are "cheap" ^-^

Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: directheatedtriode on Sun, 06 September 2020, 17:04:45
Hello all! A few updates:
  • I updated the colors to more accurately match the OG Xerox board and had new renders made. These colors should be final.
  • A Cyrillic alphas set is in the works.

Furthermore, I'm looking into getting proxies set up as requested by a few users. I've reached out to KBDfans regarding this.

Regarding the addition of a Cyrillic set, I'm interested in knowing what people think of splitting the Latin alphas from the base set and offering a generic modifier set and separate alphas. I originally wanted to offer a solid base kit that would offer enough compatibility for most people, but I'm wondering if that's the right way to go if there are 3 different alpha kits?

Would this include a US proxy? Honestly not a fan of how KBDfans customer service the one time I had to deal with an issue.

Sorry to hear that :(. I am planning on looking for a NA proxy as well... Just waiting on word from KBDfans before I start going down that route.

Thanks, I love these old school sets in PBT :)
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Qarmaa on Sun, 06 September 2020, 17:30:19
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Ulliam on Sun, 06 September 2020, 17:32:50
I like it, allot. The regular base anyway. but it feels like GMK alchemy with extra steps.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 06 September 2020, 18:00:54
Colorways like this is just too good, very lovely set! :thumb:

For the regular alphas would a nordeuk / international kit be possible? Should be ok todo with ePBT, child kits are "cheap" ^-^

I'll consider this
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 06 September 2020, 18:02:11
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 06 September 2020, 18:03:09
I like it, allot. The regular base anyway. but it feels like GMK alchemy with extra steps.

Thanks! I looked at GMK Alchemy, and I'm not really seeing the similarities other than being gray and beige?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Ulliam on Sun, 06 September 2020, 19:06:26
I like it, allot. The regular base anyway. but it feels like GMK alchemy with extra steps.

Thanks! I looked at GMK Alchemy, and I'm not really seeing the similarities other than being gray and beige?

and the dark red.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 06 September 2020, 19:18:14
I like it, allot. The regular base anyway. but it feels like GMK alchemy with extra steps.

Thanks! I looked at GMK Alchemy, and I'm not really seeing the similarities other than being gray and beige?

and the dark red.

Doesn't GMK Alchemy have brown legends though?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 07 September 2020, 02:51:08
Colorways like this is just too good, very lovely set! :thumb:

For the regular alphas would a nordeuk / international kit be possible? Should be ok todo with ePBT, child kits are "cheap" ^-^

I'll consider this

Thank you! :)

And no one have mentioned all the windowed keys.. YES Thank you :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 07 September 2020, 06:50:42
I find it a bit out of character that this set includes UK-specific ISO keys rather than the awesome and unique ISO keys that the original Xerox 6085 keyboard came with. I get that the original keyboard is just an inspiration, but I think those ’ ‛ and ” ‟ keys would work really well with this set, and they would offer “neutral/novelty” coverage that could be used for any ISO layout, not just UK. This is further compounded by the fact that ISO-UK keys are used by only about 19% of ISO users and 3% of all users (source (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vyY5EjTfzo6YXp_xwQYN_ffcoB0fXdNl8nc0WDteobs/edit?usp=sharing); it's actually less than that for full ISO-UK).

With that in mind, I would like to suggest dropping the following keys from the base kit:
And instead adding the following (all 1u):
By doing this, not only do you save a whole bunch of keys, but the set also remains truer to the original inspiration.

On a personal note, I love seeing vintage-inspired sets that include quirky keys from the original keyboards. Some examples are SA 8010 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106901.0) and KAT Extended APL (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107075.0). I'd love to see this set join that list :D

Edit: fixed link
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: vi0till on Mon, 07 September 2020, 08:35:23
Hello all! A few updates:
  • I updated the colors to more accurately match the OG Xerox board and had new renders made. These colors should be final.
  • A Cyrillic alphas set is in the works.

Furthermore, I'm looking into getting proxies set up as requested by a few users. I've reached out to KBDfans regarding this.

Regarding the addition of a Cyrillic set, I'm interested in knowing what people think of splitting the Latin alphas from the base set and offering a generic modifier set and separate alphas. I originally wanted to offer a solid base kit that would offer enough compatibility for most people, but I'm wondering if that's the right way to go if there are 3 different alpha kits?
Would agree to split mod and offer numerous alpha kit.

Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: emerge on Mon, 07 September 2020, 09:34:48
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.

I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 07 September 2020, 09:41:41
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.

I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..

I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: emerge on Mon, 07 September 2020, 09:55:00


Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.

I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..

I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.

So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Mon, 07 September 2020, 10:14:33


Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.

I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..

I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.

So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

Warping is a common issue with PBT and plastics in general. It's just easier to mitigate warping with ABS. That's why almost every vintage keyboard you see with PBT keycaps has an ABS spacebar. Afaik infinikey has warping issues as well. Additionally, I'm not sure if infinikey does anything other than five-sided dyesub, which I think is the wrong way to go for this set. Lastly, I've already sent a sample from my OG set to KBDfans for color matching and I'm about to send another one. At this point, this set is firmly ePBT.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 07 September 2020, 10:23:11


Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.

I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..

I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.

So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

No, not at all. Both scenarios suck and I used to buy GMK over pbt for their flat space bars. It's just that now, since both options have the same issue, I can at least fix a pbt set.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: bansheetango on Mon, 07 September 2020, 10:44:27
I can look into doing local vendors, although typically ePBT is run solely through KBDfans.
That would be awesome. :thumb: Kon Momo and Cool Kids ran recently on CandyKeys.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: directheatedtriode on Mon, 07 September 2020, 10:48:01


Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.

I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..

I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.

So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

Not sure I agree about Infinikey being better than ePBT. The Infinikey set I have has the tightest keycaps I have ever seen. Like it takes a long time to remove a single cap off a switch because you have to gently rock it for a long time as straight up pulling them with a keycap puller will not pull them out. I use soldered PCBs only, but the caps are so tight it would probably pull up the whole switch on a hotswap board.

Every company making keycaps has some compromise or another these days. From what I read in another Discord channel GMK has settled on this current issue being within their tolerances and they are not going to be replacing people's spacebars.

What I'm wondering is the hot water fix for ePBT spacebars permanent? Or do they slowed go back to their old shape? I only have an older 9009 set from them and the spacebar is so mildly warped I never bothered attempting anything.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 07 September 2020, 11:07:20
I like the Cyrillic one but I hope it does not warp
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 07 September 2020, 11:09:23


Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.

I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..

I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.

So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

Not sure I agree about Infinikey being better than ePBT. The Infinikey set I have has the tightest keycaps I have ever seen. Like it takes a long time to remove a single cap off a switch because you have to gently rock it for a long time as straight up pulling them with a keycap puller will not pull them out. I use soldered PCBs only, but the caps are so tight it would probably pull up the whole switch on a hotswap board.

Every company making keycaps has some compromise or another these days. From what I read in another Discord channel GMK has settled on this current issue being within their tolerances and they are not going to be replacing people's spacebars.

What I'm wondering is the hot water fix for ePBT spacebars permanent? Or do they slowed go back to their old shape? I only have an older 9009 set from them and the spacebar is so mildly warped I never bothered attempting anything.

Yes the fix is permanent

It's how the plastic works
Basically what happens is you are "warping" it back into normal shape ~ ~ Since it's a rigid plastic it won't change shape
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 September 2020, 12:18:27
This is definitely of interest to me. I like the desk mat as well.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Little4Real on Mon, 07 September 2020, 13:30:10
Wish this was CRP
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: DasGnome on Mon, 07 September 2020, 13:52:37
The "Keyboard" cap is amazing
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: kajahtaa on Mon, 07 September 2020, 15:17:35
Love this. I'm in.

Wish Nomad had preonic pipe


Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: tempo on Mon, 07 September 2020, 16:16:41
I would love the full kit for the cyrillic that includes all the numbers
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: directheatedtriode on Mon, 07 September 2020, 16:35:24


Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.

I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..

I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.

So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

Not sure I agree about Infinikey being better than ePBT. The Infinikey set I have has the tightest keycaps I have ever seen. Like it takes a long time to remove a single cap off a switch because you have to gently rock it for a long time as straight up pulling them with a keycap puller will not pull them out. I use soldered PCBs only, but the caps are so tight it would probably pull up the whole switch on a hotswap board.

Every company making keycaps has some compromise or another these days. From what I read in another Discord channel GMK has settled on this current issue being within their tolerances and they are not going to be replacing people's spacebars.

What I'm wondering is the hot water fix for ePBT spacebars permanent? Or do they slowed go back to their old shape? I only have an older 9009 set from them and the spacebar is so mildly warped I never bothered attempting anything.

Yes the fix is permanent

It's how the plastic works
Basically what happens is you are "warping" it back into normal shape ~ ~ Since it's a rigid plastic it won't change shape

Got it, thanks.

nu_types - why no text mod for "shift" and "lock" (even without LED window) in the novelties set? I feel like this would tie in the intended design even more.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Mon, 07 September 2020, 16:45:47
I find it a bit out of character that this set includes UK-specific ISO keys rather than the awesome and unique ISO keys that the original Xerox 6085 keyboard came with. I get that the original keyboard is just an inspiration, but I think those ’ ‛ and ” ‟ keys would work really well with this set, and they would offer “neutral/novelty” coverage that could be used for any ISO layout, not just UK. This is further compounded by the fact that ISO-UK keys are used by only about 19% of ISO users and 3% of all users (source (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vyY5EjTfzo6YXp_xwQYN_ffcoB0fXdNl8nc0WDteobs/edit?usp=sharing); it's actually less than that for full ISO-UK).

With that in mind, I would like to suggest dropping the following keys from the base kit:
  • R1 `¬¦ (mod-colored)
  • R1 `¬¦ (alpha-colored)
  • R1 2"
  • R1
  • R1 4$€
  • R3 '@
  • R3 #~
  • R4 \|
And instead adding the following (all 1u):
  • R3 ’ ‛
  • R3 ” ‟
  • R4 <> (as seen on other Xerox keyboards (https://i.imgur.com/cdb30nh.jpg), and many other terminal boards (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/F-0AAOSwvjdZPZF7/s-l1600.jpg) from the era)
By doing this, not only do you save a whole bunch of keys, but the set also remains truer to the original inspiration.

On a personal note, I love seeing vintage-inspired sets that include quirky keys from the original keyboards. Some examples are SA 8010 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106901.0) and KAT Extended APL (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107075.0). I'd love to see this set join that list :D

Edit: fixed link

Thanks for the information! Right now I'm set on keeping UK ISO as is, moving some of the keys into a NorDeUK kit.

The "Keyboard" cap is amazing

I agree ;D. It's one of my favorite keys from the OG board!

I would love the full kit for the cyrillic that includes all the numbers

Sorry, no plans to add additional keys. I'll be using the existing Cyrillic sublegends that ePBT already has.

Wish this was CRP

Sorry to disappoint. I tried reaching out to Hammer, but I never received a reply. As I've stated before, I'm cautiously optimistic that ePBT will be able to resolve many of the issues people have with their new molds.

Love this. I'm in.

Wish Nomad had preonic pipe

Sorry no plans to add additional keys outside of a NorDeUK set right now.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Mon, 07 September 2020, 16:52:55


Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.

I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.

I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..

I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.

So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.

Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

Not sure I agree about Infinikey being better than ePBT. The Infinikey set I have has the tightest keycaps I have ever seen. Like it takes a long time to remove a single cap off a switch because you have to gently rock it for a long time as straight up pulling them with a keycap puller will not pull them out. I use soldered PCBs only, but the caps are so tight it would probably pull up the whole switch on a hotswap board.

Every company making keycaps has some compromise or another these days. From what I read in another Discord channel GMK has settled on this current issue being within their tolerances and they are not going to be replacing people's spacebars.

What I'm wondering is the hot water fix for ePBT spacebars permanent? Or do they slowed go back to their old shape? I only have an older 9009 set from them and the spacebar is so mildly warped I never bothered attempting anything.

Yes the fix is permanent

It's how the plastic works
Basically what happens is you are "warping" it back into normal shape ~ ~ Since it's a rigid plastic it won't change shape

Got it, thanks.

nu_types - why no text mod for "shift" and "lock" (even without LED window) in the novelties set? I feel like this would tie in the intended design even more.

I get what you mean, however, I personally feel that icons work better. My goal isn't to recreated the original set exactly, but to make a modernized cherry-style version of it. If I were running this as an Alps set, and my primary goal was to make a modernized replica, I would use text only for those keys.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 07 September 2020, 17:19:30
The Hiragana and Cyrillic kits are currently suffering from a few issues/inconsistencies with their legends.

Hiragana

Cyrillic
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 07 September 2020, 17:22:50
Thanks for the information! Right now I'm set on keeping UK ISO as is, moving some of the keys into a NorDeUK kit.

Alright :D In that case please consider adding the R3 ’ ‛ and ” ‟ keys to the novelties kit!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Tue, 08 September 2020, 23:14:49
PBT 1u convex space keys? Even if this doesn't have a colevrak set, I have to join it now.

Actually, this might be a render mistake. I'll need to make sure that ePBT can offer convex 1u.

Small update here: KBDfans confirmed that the 1u convex keys will not be available with the current/new tooling. So these will be standard 1u keys, I hope that's alright with those that were interested in this detail.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: vsrnth on Wed, 09 September 2020, 01:46:33
any chance we'll see a colevrak kit?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: zekth on Wed, 09 September 2020, 05:23:16
Looks great. I've been thinking about joining the PBT gang since gmk can no longer deliver flat space bars ;D

buddy banana bars originated with PBT

I am aware. But at least with pbt I can just heat them up and flatten them.

ePbt is in the process of making new molds to fix this issue.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: marks_ on Wed, 09 September 2020, 08:47:24
Great news on the NorDe kit - thank you! 🙏
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: kiandelmundo on Wed, 09 September 2020, 09:51:48
Yes this would be so good with crp, hoping epbt will do this kit justice though
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 09 September 2020, 11:36:48
Looks great. I've been thinking about joining the PBT gang since gmk can no longer deliver flat space bars ;D

buddy banana bars originated with PBT

I am aware. But at least with pbt I can just heat them up and flatten them.

ePbt is in the process of making new molds to fix this issue.

Woop!
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnlawfulJadedFanworms-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: vincenttngo1 on Wed, 09 September 2020, 11:51:03
I see hirigana sublegends, I buy.

Looks really good!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 10 September 2020, 03:03:36
two line 'print screen' instead of one line 'prt sc' plz
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: Onnimar on Thu, 10 September 2020, 03:30:21
I'm in. Love the kitting. Any chance for a F13 key?

Edit: I second the two line "print screen" as to match the scroll lock and pause break keys.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 12 September 2020, 19:25:17
Small update here: KBDfans confirmed that the 1u convex keys will not be available with the current/new tooling. So these will be standard 1u keys, I hope that's alright with those that were interested in this detail.

Please update the 1u labels in the kit image, or at least put a note next to it so no one is mislead by the OP.  Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 13 September 2020, 00:09:10
Small update here: KBDfans confirmed that the 1u convex keys will not be available with the current/new tooling. So these will be standard 1u keys, I hope that's alright with those that were interested in this detail.

Please update the 1u labels in the kit image, or at least put a note next to it so no one is mislead by the OP.  Thanks!

Hi! I am holding off on doing this as it seems a few others who were planning ePBT sets assumed that 1u convex keys would be available. No promises, but we're trying to see what we can do to make them happen. I'll make sure to update the renders or add a clear disclaimer if we have to use standard 1u blanks.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 13 September 2020, 01:54:30
Small update here: KBDfans confirmed that the 1u convex keys will not be available with the current/new tooling. So these will be standard 1u keys, I hope that's alright with those that were interested in this detail.

Please update the 1u labels in the kit image, or at least put a note next to it so no one is mislead by the OP.  Thanks!

Hi! I am holding off on doing this as it seems a few others who were planning ePBT sets assumed that 1u convex keys would be available. No promises, but we're trying to see what we can do to make them happen. I'll make sure to update the renders or add a clear disclaimer if we have to use standard 1u blanks.

It would be great if they add 1uC tooling.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: zekth on Sun, 13 September 2020, 03:48:43
Small update here: KBDfans confirmed that the 1u convex keys will not be available with the current/new tooling. So these will be standard 1u keys, I hope that's alright with those that were interested in this detail.

Please update the 1u labels in the kit image, or at least put a note next to it so no one is mislead by the OP.  Thanks!

Hi! I am holding off on doing this as it seems a few others who were planning ePBT sets assumed that 1u convex keys would be available. No promises, but we're trying to see what we can do to make them happen. I'll make sure to update the renders or add a clear disclaimer if we have to use standard 1u blanks.

It would be great if they add 1uC tooling.

I'm pushing on my side regarding ePbt - Be The One. Hard to consider not having 1U convex keys.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: MIXO Cables on Sun, 13 September 2020, 22:55:35
the burgundy red  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: nu_types on Mon, 14 September 2020, 21:10:22
Hello everyone! First of all, I have a big announcement to make. The following vendors have agreed to run the set:

NA: Keyspresso (https://keyspresso.ca/)
EU: Proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net/)
AU: Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/)

KBDfans will handle rest of world orders.

Secondly, there are some kit changes:

As of now, I'm considering these kits to be final. The only potential change is to the spacebar kit, if ePBT is unable to produce the 1u convex or 1.25u convex spacebars, the render will be updated accordingly. I will be submitting these kits to KBDfans for an estimate on pricing this evening.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 15 September 2020, 06:23:31
(https://i.imgur.com/eiEcZO7.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 15 September 2020, 06:42:22
As of now, I'm considering these kits to be final. The only potential change is to the spacebar kit, if ePBT is unable to produce the 1u convex or 1.25u convex spacebars, the render will be updated accordingly. I will be submitting these kits to KBDfans for an estimate on pricing this evening.

Sorry, but I think you're jumping the gun here a bit. Your kits still have issues, so I think it's premature to consider them final at this point. I'll outline some of those issues below.


Base kit

Hiragana & Cyrillic kits
Spacebars & 40s kits

Numpad kit

NorDeUK kit

There are a few other, more minor issues, but I feel that this covers most of the major ones.[/list]
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 15 September 2020, 07:10:15
  • ISO-UK support was moved off to a NorDeUK kit, but now basic ISO support is incomplete in the Base kit and isn't usable as-is. To fix that, consider my previous suggestion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.msg2954795#msg2954795) (change R4 \| to <>, add R3 ’ ‛ and ” ‟ to match the original Xerox 6085 keyboard's ISO layout).
    • Alternatively, just go with terminal-style basic ISO (change R4 \| to <> and add R3 \|).
    • In either case, \| should be moved from Base into NorDeUK so that all UK keys are grouped together in that kit. Also, <> will no longer be necessary in the NorDeUK kit as it will be present in Base.
    • Same kit examples as in point #2 (#post_base_kit_2).
This

  • Speaking of ISO, all Alt Gr keys should be moved to the NorDeUK kit since the Base kit is US-ANSI–based and doesn't have any sublegends.

    Give them ansi folks some angry alt.. I foresee a cheap nordekit ;)

    • Not sure I see a point to having extra Print and Pause keys with LED windows. These keys do not use lock lights, nor can the LEDs under these keys be mapped to Num/Caps Lock on the vast majority of custom keyboards, except for boards that have per-key RGB matrices. Either way, this doesn't seem very useful, and this is the first set I've seen that has LED windows on Print and Pause. I would suggest removing them.
      • Kit examples: any kit with windowed keys.
    just let it happen :D

    • R1 1u (Backspace) isn't commonly used on ≥60% boards. Unless this key is something you personally use, I would suggest moving it from Base to the 40s kit.
      • Kit examples: almost any base kit, since very few sets include this key.
    65% ? nvm mistook it for delete

    NorDeUK kit
    • As mentioned previously, R4 \| should be moved from Base into this kit, and R4 <> should be moved from this kit into Base.
    • The R1 /`´ key (far right, third row from the top, used in Norwegian) is supposed to have a \ legend in the bottom-left corner, not /.
      • References: 1 (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Possible-International-Kits-for-Custom-Sets/#NORDEUKPPP) 2 (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#no).

    There are a few other, more minor issues, but I feel that this covers most of the major ones.[/list]

    Nice konstantin, good catch! :) ( You thoroughness is awesome )[/list][/list][/list][/list]
    Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
    Post by: nu_types on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:31:37
    As of now, I'm considering these kits to be final. The only potential change is to the spacebar kit, if ePBT is unable to produce the 1u convex or 1.25u convex spacebars, the render will be updated accordingly. I will be submitting these kits to KBDfans for an estimate on pricing this evening.

    Sorry, but I think you're jumping the gun here a bit. Your kits still have issues, so I think it's premature to consider them final at this point. I'll outline some of those issues below.


    Base kit
    • R1 1u End, Pg Dn should be moved to the Numpad kit, as these keys are only used on boards with numpads (1800/CP/96-key).
      • Kit examples: 1 (https://i.imgur.com/Sh3qA8l.jpg) 2 (https://i.imgur.com/3ZO4xQc.png) 3 (https://i.imgur.com/xx9YSGY.png) 4 (https://i.imgur.com/Kc6NaOo.jpg) 5 (https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a02c663268b961642ad2bbf/1589683762245-0TEIHKM69ZMHL1LQIBES/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPTrHXgsMrSIMwe6YW3w1AZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0k5fwC0WRNFJBIXiBeNI5fKTrY37saURwPBw8fO2esROAxn-RKSrlQamlL27g22X2A/Kit_Num.jpg).

    • R3 1u Pg Up, R4 1u Pg Dn should be added to the Base kit for coverage of modern 65%/75% layouts.
      • Kit examples: 1 (https://i.imgur.com/v2hbpIH.jpg) 2 (https://i.imgur.com/z8uB8yq.png) 3 (https://i.imgur.com/iMQ0RX7.png) 4 (https://i.imgur.com/erSeXKb.jpg) 5 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106058.0).

    • ISO-UK support was moved off to a NorDeUK kit, but now basic ISO support is incomplete in the Base kit and isn't usable as-is. To fix that, consider my previous suggestion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.msg2954795#msg2954795) (change R4 \| to <>, add R3 ’ ‛ and ” ‟ to match the original Xerox 6085 keyboard's ISO layout).
      • Alternatively, just go with terminal-style basic ISO (change R4 \| to <> and add R3 \|).
      • In either case, \| should be moved from Base into NorDeUK so that all UK keys are grouped together in that kit. Also, <> will no longer be necessary in the NorDeUK kit as it will be present in Base.
      • Same kit examples as in point #2 (#post_base_kit_2).

    • Speaking of ISO, all Alt Gr keys should be moved to the NorDeUK kit since the Base kit is US-ANSI–based and doesn't have any sublegends.

      • Not sure I see a point to having extra Print and Pause keys with LED windows. These keys do not use lock lights, nor can the LEDs under these keys be mapped to Num/Caps Lock on the vast majority of custom keyboards, except for boards that have per-key RGB matrices. Either way, this doesn't seem very useful, and this is the first set I've seen that has LED windows on Print and Pause. I would suggest removing them.
        • Kit examples: any kit with windowed keys.

      • Mod-colored R1 1u \| isn't commonly used in split backspace (https://i.imgur.com/J45RnFg.png?1) setups. Unless this key is something you personally use, I would suggest removing it from the kit.
        • Kit examples: almost any base kit, since very few sets include this key.

      • R1 1u (Backspace) isn't commonly used on ≥60% boards. Unless this key is something you personally use, I would suggest moving it from Base to the 40s kit.
        • Kit examples: almost any base kit, since very few sets include this key.

      • The second R4 1u Ctrl key can be removed as it isn't useful for any modern boards larger than 40%.
        • Same kit examples as in point #2 (#post_base_kit_2).

      • R4 1.25u Menu doesn't seem like a very useful addition since there's already Fn in the kit.
        • Same kit examples as in point #2 (#post_base_kit_2).

      Hiragana & Cyrillic kits
      • See here. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.msg2954972#msg2954972)
        • Kit examples: 1 (https://i.ibb.co/ygfmWgf/musubi-Base-Final.png) 2 (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735179686186844202/746114733308117053/gmk_js_kit_01_base.jpg) 3 (https://i.imgur.com/BIw2oxu.jpg) 4 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107255.msg2950982#msg2950982) 5 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104745.msg2956101#msg2956101).

      Spacebars & 40s kits
      • The 40s kit should have it's own space keys included. 40% users hate having to buy a separate kit to get space keys, which, by the way, are not optional for them.
      • On a related note, double 1u space and 1.75u space are 40%-specific things and should not be included in the Spacebars kit, just the 40s kit.
      • Please use EPBT Skadi (https://i.imgur.com/inXzsYS.png) and EPBT Be The One (https://i.imgur.com/fxpDzCq.png)'s kits as a reference to redesign your 40s and spacebars kit.
      • I also don't think it's at all necessary to bloat the kit with both novelty and regular icons. It's better to stick to just one and use the remaining space to include more compatibility for 40s/ortho boards.

      Numpad kit
      • As mentioned previously, R1 1u End, Pg Dn keys should be moved into Numpad from Base.
      • You may want to add a R1 1u = key for some numpad users (Mac, 96-key etc.).
        • Same kit examples as in point #1 (#post_base_kit_1).

      NorDeUK kit
      • As mentioned previously, R4 \| should be moved from Base into this kit, and R4 <> should be moved from this kit into Base.
      • The R1 /`´ key (far right, third row from the top, used in Norwegian) is supposed to have a \ legend in the bottom-left corner, not /.
        • References: 1 (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Possible-International-Kits-for-Custom-Sets/#NORDEUKPPP) 2 (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#no).

      There are a few other, more minor issues, but I feel that this covers most of the major ones.[/list]

      Thanks for the feedback konstantin, you make some good points. I'll be taking some of these recommendations and will make one more revision to the kitting.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: konstantin on Tue, 15 September 2020, 10:21:05
      Thanks for the feedback konstantin, you make some good points. I'll be taking some of these recommendations and will make one more revision to the kitting.

      Thanks for reading and for your consideration. If you would like to discuss the kitting or any of my proposed changes, feel free to reach out on Discord. I'm available in the Keycap Designers and 40% servers, as well as directly at konstantin#6505.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: CustomerSupport on Thu, 17 September 2020, 01:45:22
      I personally like AltGr on ANSI boards, and wouldn't hate having it available in the base kit. I associate it with older/vintage ANSI boards, which this set is based upon.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: konstantin on Thu, 17 September 2020, 05:23:29
      I personally like AltGr on ANSI boards, and wouldn't hate having it available in the base kit. I associate it with older/vintage ANSI boards, which this set is based upon.

      I actually also like Alt Gr on ANSI boards. I think we're in the minority, though. But if the designer decides to replace all Alts with Alt Gr, I'd be down for that.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: xalloumi on Thu, 17 September 2020, 05:31:46
      I think the colours of the Cyrillic set would look nicer if the alphas and sublegends were reversed
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: zekth on Thu, 17 September 2020, 05:42:32
      I personally like AltGr on ANSI boards, and wouldn't hate having it available in the base kit. I associate it with older/vintage ANSI boards, which this set is based upon.

      I actually also like Alt Gr on ANSI boards. I think we're in the minority, though. But if the designer decides to replace all Alts with Alt Gr, I'd be down for that.

      I'm curious about the cost addition on the base kit for the 2 Alt Gr keys.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: CustomerSupport on Thu, 17 September 2020, 13:23:47
      I personally like AltGr on ANSI boards, and wouldn't hate having it available in the base kit. I associate it with older/vintage ANSI boards, which this set is based upon.

      I actually also like Alt Gr on ANSI boards. I think we're in the minority, though. But if the designer decides to replace all Alts with Alt Gr, I'd be down for that.

      I'm curious about the cost addition on the base kit for the 2 Alt Gr keys.

      +1
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 17 September 2020, 13:32:39
      Wouldn't an Alt Gr key be useful for base + Cyrillic?

      The 1U bottom row (2*Alt, 2*Ctrl, 2*Super, Function) are really only useful for covering an OG winkey 1800 (one with a 6U spacebar). That's a fairly niche use-case but including those keys in base increases 40s coverage, so that's nice.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: konstantin on Thu, 17 September 2020, 18:25:28


      Wouldn't an Alt Gr key be useful for base + Cyrillic?

      Not really, no.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Alchemist Keyboards on Sun, 20 September 2020, 12:10:45
      Ok, I'm all in on this.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Mon, 21 September 2020, 10:59:46
      Hello everyone! I've made most of the kit changes suggested by Konstantin. I did not make any changes to the Hiragana or Cyrillic kits because I plan on using the existing legends used by ePBT. These new kits have been sent to KBDfans for pricing.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: soer9459 on Mon, 21 September 2020, 13:01:27
      Regarding the R4 < > keys in base and norde, aren't they reversed?

      > should be on top and < should be on bottom
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Mon, 21 September 2020, 14:45:54
      Regarding the R4 < > keys in base and norde, aren't they reversed?

      > should be on top and < should be on bottom

      Indeed, I'll get that fixed
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: gautema on Mon, 21 September 2020, 14:56:17
      I'd love to see full set of numbers in the Cyrillic set so I can equip two keyboards with base, cyrillic and novelties. Will buy base and novelties anyway.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Rayndalf on Tue, 22 September 2020, 02:53:11
      Is there really a need for a centered and an off centered 6u spacebar? I'm genuinely curious what the different use cases are.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: simpe on Mon, 28 September 2020, 10:12:09
      Looks super nice, im in for base, 40s and norde!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: simpe on Mon, 28 September 2020, 11:14:37
      .
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: sartori24 on Mon, 28 September 2020, 22:53:56
      I really like it. Like a lot. GLWIC
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: DevilZmods on Mon, 05 October 2020, 10:26:18
      would an ergo kit be possible? there's a lot of neat icon variations that can be put on the 1.5u keycaps.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 06 October 2020, 17:19:04
      ...if ePBT is unable to produce the 1u convex or 1.25u convex spacebars, the render will be updated accordingly.

      Regardirg current kit renders in the OP: 40s has two 1u convex, and Spacebars has one 1.25u convex.
           
      More
      (https://imgur.com/4a3kMck.jpg)
      <-- 40s
           
      More
      (https://imgur.com/HlMUq31.jpg)
      <-- Spacebars

      So KBDfans will have convex tooling for 1u and 1.25u, right?
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 06 October 2020, 20:59:34
      Apologies for the lack of updates for the past few weeks. I have been working to make a final wave of changes to the set:


      I'm putting a hard lock on any further changes as I feel that we're finally in a good place. Everything has been sent to KBDfans for pricing and next steps.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 06 October 2020, 21:01:25
      ...if ePBT is unable to produce the 1u convex or 1.25u convex spacebars, the render will be updated accordingly.

      Regardirg current kit renders in the OP: 40s has two 1u convex, and Spacebars has one 1.25u convex.
           
      More
      Show Image
      (https://imgur.com/4a3kMck.jpg)
      <-- 40s
           
      More
      Show Image
      (https://imgur.com/HlMUq31.jpg)
      <-- Spacebars

      So KBDfans will have convex tooling for 1u and 1.25u, right?

      Yes. I asked them and they confirmed that 1u and 1.25u convex will be possible.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 06 October 2020, 21:03:00
      would an ergo kit be possible? there's a lot of neat icon variations that can be put on the 1.5u keycaps.

      Sorry no ergo kit. However, base + 40s should cover preonic layouts.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: CustomerSupport on Wed, 07 October 2020, 00:23:26
      Apologies for the lack of updates for the past few weeks. I have been working to make a final wave of changes to the set:

      • Corrected <> keys in the Base and NorDeUK kits
      • Added new/corrected legends to the Hiragana and Cyrillic sets
      • Changed "num lock" to "num" to make it consistent with the other lock keys
      • Added 1u convex space to spacebars

      I'm putting a hard lock on any further changes as I feel that we're finally in a good place. Everything has been sent to KBDfans for pricing and next steps.

      H E A V Y  P A N T I N G
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: jack47 on Fri, 09 October 2020, 01:53:07
      Would you consider a SEA vendor?
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Fri, 09 October 2020, 23:35:14
      Would you consider a SEA vendor?

      Sorry, at this point there are no plans to add any additional vendors.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: SenseiJia on Sat, 10 October 2020, 18:26:10
      This is looking GOOD!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: kajahtaa on Wed, 28 October 2020, 18:25:07
      GB this year ?
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: GMK83 on Wed, 28 October 2020, 21:03:01
      I’m a sucker for classic colors.  Looking good, hope it runs this year.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: remdell on Fri, 06 November 2020, 14:20:23
      Is it possible to add full purple accent keys for Esc and Enter to the base? Or maybe have an accent kit with Esc, Enter, arrows, and a few mods.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 06 November 2020, 14:22:28
      Is it possible to add full purple accent keys for Esc and Enter to the base? Or maybe have an accent kit with Esc, Enter, arrows, and a few mods.

      I too wasn't fast enough for the DMG extras.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: krautcat on Sun, 08 November 2020, 16:10:42
      This is warm. I am in. Not so hot as if it would be made by Hammeworks, but it is understandable.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: ButDutWut on Sun, 08 November 2020, 18:27:53
      Looking real good. Excited for GB!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Waterrmelonn on Sun, 22 November 2020, 03:19:35
      I'm in!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Digmo on Sun, 22 November 2020, 15:17:20
      very nice, happy to see norde
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: BirgusLatro on Mon, 23 November 2020, 01:03:59
      Yes.   I'm a sucker for legend-heavy sets and cyrillic
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: honoka on Mon, 23 November 2020, 02:32:16
      norde-kit means I'm buying
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Little4Real on Mon, 23 November 2020, 06:29:30
      This is warm. I am in. Not so hot as if it would be made by Hammeworks, but it is understandable.

      Yeah this definitely should've been a CRP keyset.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Galk on Tue, 24 November 2020, 08:52:37
      norde-kit means I'm buying
      Yea i feel the same, its like... You spend tons of money on a keycapset so you might as well spend a little extra and make the layout native to your language

      Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: donny_pete on Tue, 24 November 2020, 10:23:18
      Giving love to the 40's community is enough for me to give this kit some love
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: IMZO on Tue, 24 November 2020, 13:15:28
      idk, kinda excited for this set :)
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: jackrabbit on Fri, 27 November 2020, 05:40:11
      Wow, those colors and the deskmats are excellent. Also, THIS is the real gameboy set  :thumb:
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: ideus on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:00:19
      1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
      2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?


      (https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:11:22
      1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
      2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?


      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)


      Yes, the ‘’ and “ ” keys are there for OG accuracy as well as to provide basic ISO support in the base kit.

      Additionally, I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been working on the set during my free time, but its just taking awhile for me to get everything just the way I want it in the ePBT template. The template they gave me was pretty scuffed so I've been busy fixing things like alignment with the existing legends, the size of legends, etc. I also had to create new Hiragana and Cyrillic sublegends because they were unable to provide the existing files for those.

      That said, this set is obviously not going to run this year. Im hoping to get the template completed sometime this month, at which point I'll share the final design here and ask for samples to be made. I'm hoping for a late Q1 or early Q2 2021 GB - but it heavily depends on when I get the samples and if I need to make any adjustments.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: ideus on Tue, 01 December 2020, 11:57:15
      1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
      2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?


      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)


      Yes, the ‘’ and “ ” keys are there for OG accuracy as well as to provide basic ISO support in the base kit.

      Additionally, I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been working on the set during my free time, but its just taking awhile for me to get everything just the way I want it in the ePBT template. The template they gave me was pretty scuffed so I've been busy fixing things like alignment with the existing legends, the size of legends, etc. I also had to create new Hiragana and Cyrillic sublegends because they were unable to provide the existing files for those.

      That said, this set is obviously not going to run this year. Im hoping to get the template completed sometime this month, at which point I'll share the final design here and ask for samples to be made. I'm hoping for a late Q1 or early Q2 2021 GB - but it heavily depends on when I get the samples and if I need to make any adjustments.


      Thank you for the replay. Take your time, it is understandable that most of the GB's leaders are not full-time into designing MK's stuff.

      On the set design, the special modifiers—those with arrows—may be included in the base set, and the mods with standard legends moved to a subset. Having the original modifiers in the base-set would make it more authentic and faithful to its original.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: VXQN on Tue, 01 December 2020, 12:37:07
      Thanks for the update. It's helpful to know a rough timeline so I know there's no point in me obessively checking the thread for at least 2-3 months!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: it99 on Thu, 10 December 2020, 10:55:00
      Would you consider running a DCS version alongside this since it is originally based on an alps (or should I say THE ALPS!!! SKCM GREEN!!!) board? I think that a lot of people would be interested but it's up to you!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: caronte0 on Sat, 12 December 2020, 16:10:46
      Is there any discord where i can follow this set?
      Also is the EU vendor written in stone? because maybe with the brexit all people outside great britain will have to pay customs, so maybe i just order from kbd
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: zekth on Sat, 12 December 2020, 16:51:45
      Is there any discord where i can follow this set?
      Also is the EU vendor written in stone? because maybe with the brexit all people outside great britain will have to pay customs, so maybe i just order from kbd

      Fair point. You should look for a EU proxy also.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Mon, 21 December 2020, 21:18:53
      Hello everyone! I finally finished mocking up the set in the ePBT template (hopefully) and added an image of it to the first post. I spent a lot of time fixing issues with alignment and legend placement, probably too much time, but I finally got to a place where I was happy with the way things looked. I created new Hiragana and Cyrillic legends for this set, fixing some issues that I had with the existing legends and taking into consideration feedback provided by Konstantin and others. I've said it many times before, but this time I actually mean it: further changes are locked. Of course, if there is some major oversight, I will gladly fix things accordingly.

      Furthermore, a few EU folks have expressed concerns surrounding additional fees/charges with ProtoTypist being the EU proxy. I spoke with Jae not long ago on this, and things still seem up in the air as to how finalizing the separation from the EU will impact this as negotiations are still in progress. I'm obviously hoping that things work out well, but I will continue to keep an eye on things.

      That's it for updates. I sent the completed template to KBDfans and I am awaiting next steps. I am hoping to get samples made soon so I can check out the new legends in person and check them against the original Xerox keycap colors.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Mon, 21 December 2020, 22:30:21
      1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
      2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?


      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)


      Yes, the ‘’ and “ ” keys are there for OG accuracy as well as to provide basic ISO support in the base kit.

      Additionally, I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been working on the set during my free time, but its just taking awhile for me to get everything just the way I want it in the ePBT template. The template they gave me was pretty scuffed so I've been busy fixing things like alignment with the existing legends, the size of legends, etc. I also had to create new Hiragana and Cyrillic sublegends because they were unable to provide the existing files for those.

      That said, this set is obviously not going to run this year. Im hoping to get the template completed sometime this month, at which point I'll share the final design here and ask for samples to be made. I'm hoping for a late Q1 or early Q2 2021 GB - but it heavily depends on when I get the samples and if I need to make any adjustments.


      Thank you for the replay. Take your time, it is understandable that most of the GB's leaders are not full-time into designing MK's stuff.

      On the set design, the special modifiers—those with arrows—may be included in the base set, and the mods with standard legends moved to a subset. Having the original modifiers in the base-set would make it more authentic and faithful to its original.

      Sorry, I almost missed this. I'm keeping the OG modifiers in the novelties kit. I would definitely keep them in the base kit if this set was a replica set, but that's not really what it is. If this was a DCS Alps set I would probably go that direction. Lastly, I think a lot of people would prefer the more Cherry style icons, the 6085 ones are a little out there.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: hkiri on Tue, 22 December 2020, 05:57:11
      Any plans on adding another EU vendor since the UK won't be any longer part of the EU from 1st January 2021 on?
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 22 December 2020, 21:04:29
      Any plans on adding another EU vendor since the UK won't be any longer part of the EU from 1st January 2021 on?

      Hi, I mentioned the brexit situation in an earlier post.

      Furthermore, a few EU folks have expressed concerns surrounding additional fees/charges with ProtoTypist being the EU proxy. I spoke with Jae not long ago on this, and things still seem up in the air as to how finalizing the separation from the EU will impact this as negotiations are still in progress. I'm obviously hoping that things work out well, but I will continue to keep an eye on things.

      I do not currently have any solid plans to add an EU vendor. However, if it's ultimately what works out best for most EU customers, I'll try to see if something can be worked out between ProtoTypist and an EU vendor.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: yoniwolf1202 on Tue, 22 December 2020, 21:38:08
      Can't wait to see this go into GB!

      Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 22 December 2020, 21:57:06
      Dupe
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: hkiri on Wed, 23 December 2020, 10:25:23
      Any plans on adding another EU vendor since the UK won't be any longer part of the EU from 1st January 2021 on?

      Hi, I mentioned the brexit situation in an earlier post.

      Furthermore, a few EU folks have expressed concerns surrounding additional fees/charges with ProtoTypist being the EU proxy. I spoke with Jae not long ago on this, and things still seem up in the air as to how finalizing the separation from the EU will impact this as negotiations are still in progress. I'm obviously hoping that things work out well, but I will continue to keep an eye on things.

      I do not currently have any solid plans to add an EU vendor. However, if it's ultimately what works out best for most EU customers, I'll try to see if something can be worked out between ProtoTypist and an EU vendor.

      Oh sorry, I totally missed that part. Thanks!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Casserole on Wed, 23 December 2020, 14:56:41
      Love this
      Nice work!!!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: ideus on Wed, 23 December 2020, 15:16:12
      1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
      2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?


      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)


      Yes, the ‘’ and “ ” keys are there for OG accuracy as well as to provide basic ISO support in the base kit.

      Additionally, I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been working on the set during my free time, but its just taking awhile for me to get everything just the way I want it in the ePBT template. The template they gave me was pretty scuffed so I've been busy fixing things like alignment with the existing legends, the size of legends, etc. I also had to create new Hiragana and Cyrillic sublegends because they were unable to provide the existing files for those.

      That said, this set is obviously not going to run this year. Im hoping to get the template completed sometime this month, at which point I'll share the final design here and ask for samples to be made. I'm hoping for a late Q1 or early Q2 2021 GB - but it heavily depends on when I get the samples and if I need to make any adjustments.


      Thank you for the replay. Take your time, it is understandable that most of the GB's leaders are not full-time into designing MK's stuff.

      On the set design, the special modifiers—those with arrows—may be included in the base set, and the mods with standard legends moved to a subset. Having the original modifiers in the base-set would make it more authentic and faithful to its original.

      Sorry, I almost missed this. I'm keeping the OG modifiers in the novelties kit. I would definitely keep them in the base kit if this set was a replica set, but that's not really what it is. If this was a DCS Alps set I would probably go that direction. Lastly, I think a lot of people would prefer the more Cherry style icons, the 6085 ones are a little out there.


      That's fair enough. I am in the minority that prefers actual OG's replica sets, but I admire the detail you put into getting the legends accurate, particularly the accents on the NordeUK set. Kudos for a good job.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Wed, 23 December 2020, 19:20:31
      1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
      2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?


      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)


      Yes, the ‘’ and “ ” keys are there for OG accuracy as well as to provide basic ISO support in the base kit.

      Additionally, I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been working on the set during my free time, but its just taking awhile for me to get everything just the way I want it in the ePBT template. The template they gave me was pretty scuffed so I've been busy fixing things like alignment with the existing legends, the size of legends, etc. I also had to create new Hiragana and Cyrillic sublegends because they were unable to provide the existing files for those.

      That said, this set is obviously not going to run this year. Im hoping to get the template completed sometime this month, at which point I'll share the final design here and ask for samples to be made. I'm hoping for a late Q1 or early Q2 2021 GB - but it heavily depends on when I get the samples and if I need to make any adjustments.


      Thank you for the replay. Take your time, it is understandable that most of the GB's leaders are not full-time into designing MK's stuff.

      On the set design, the special modifiers—those with arrows—may be included in the base set, and the mods with standard legends moved to a subset. Having the original modifiers in the base-set would make it more authentic and faithful to its original.

      Sorry, I almost missed this. I'm keeping the OG modifiers in the novelties kit. I would definitely keep them in the base kit if this set was a replica set, but that's not really what it is. If this was a DCS Alps set I would probably go that direction. Lastly, I think a lot of people would prefer the more Cherry style icons, the 6085 ones are a little out there.


      That's fair enough. I am in the minority that prefers actual OG's replica sets, but I admire the detail you put into getting the legends accurate, particularly the accents on the NordeUK set. Kudos for a good job.

      I can't take credit for those :p. Zekth actually provided those to me.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 December 2020, 20:01:26
      You may consider full legends for the windowed keys:




      (https://i.imgur.com/Tp3QJJA.jpg)
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Mon, 28 December 2020, 20:07:05
      Update: after taking another close look into kitting, and with additional feedback (thanks again, Konstantin), I made a few small adjustments:

      In other news, I have placed an order for prototypes with KBDfans! They quoted me roughly a month turn around time - I'll keep you all posted.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Mon, 28 December 2020, 20:08:19
      You may consider full legends for the windowed keys:




      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/Tp3QJJA.jpg)


      Sorry, I decided to leave them as single line to keep it consistent.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 December 2020, 20:11:20
      You may consider full legends for the windowed keys:




      Show Image
      (https://i.imgur.com/Tp3QJJA.jpg)


      Sorry, I decided to leave them as single line to keep it consistent.


      Alright.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Mon, 28 December 2020, 20:15:30
      ugh, dupe post
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 29 December 2020, 21:54:06
      Added updated renders that are more representative of the design in the ePBT template and updated kit renders with latest changes. These should give a closer approximation of the final product.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: juice_pouch on Sat, 02 January 2021, 20:19:34
      Absolutely cannot wait to get my hands on this
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: JucheCatgirlTS on Sun, 03 January 2021, 02:05:09
      Can't wait for this one! I'm a sucker for vintage-inspired sets like this. 10/10 will buy at least the base, novelties, and spacebars.

      Thank you so much for including the R1 numpad equals key! I see so many kits out there that offer a 1u plus key but neglect to add another key to occupy the empty space left behind.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: caronte0 on Thu, 07 January 2021, 06:26:51
      Even with soft brexit there are customs to pay, i dont know but i suppose that Prototypist will not be willing to under value, so i please beg you to consider adding another EU vendor :)
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Thu, 21 January 2021, 20:33:52
      Hello everyone! I have a few updates:
      (https://i.imgur.com/Bturvi1.jpg)

      The order has been placed for prototypes, hoping to get those within the next month or so.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: honoka on Fri, 22 January 2021, 02:17:49
      thanks for the update! looking forward to this
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: zekth on Fri, 22 January 2021, 02:35:42
      Colors look nice!  :thumb:
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: VXQN on Fri, 22 January 2021, 04:17:13
      Excellent news all round. I'm especially pleased to see a UK and EU vendor; mykeyboard is currently not shipping to the UK and I really want this set!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Azurewrath on Fri, 22 January 2021, 04:54:18
      Really nice. Classic and clean. Depending on the price i'd be in for Base, Numpad and NorDeUK. :)
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: krzank on Fri, 22 January 2021, 05:03:47
      Is there any hope for R4:Tilde/GraveAccent/Ё in cyrillic set?
      This would make it fit nicely onto 60% ISO without banishing Tilde/GraveAccent/Ё key to FN layer.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: directheatedtriode on Fri, 22 January 2021, 06:36:21
      From what a couple of people on Discord have said it seems like Hammer is back to communicating with people. So if this isn't set in stone for ePBT maybe try reaching out to him again? I know you said you tried in the past, just thought I'd throw this out there.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Sun, 24 January 2021, 00:48:34
      From what a couple of people on Discord have said it seems like Hammer is back to communicating with people. So if this isn't set in stone for ePBT maybe try reaching out to him again? I know you said you tried in the past, just thought I'd throw this out there.

      Sorry at this point the set is firmly ePBT.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: ideus on Wed, 27 January 2021, 18:28:14
      The Cyrillic and Hiragana sets may have their own 6.25u space–bars. Space–bars will have heavy use and it is always good to have a spare, handy.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Thu, 28 January 2021, 09:47:06
      The Cyrillic and Hiragana sets may have their own 6.25u space–bars. Space–bars will have heavy use and it is always good to have a spare, handy.

      I would, but there isn't really an added benefit other than having an extra 6.25u spacebar. Without the base you can't really fill out any boards with the alphas + some other kit alone. And the color of the alphas won't pair with any other sets, so it's not like you could buy just the alphas and expect them to match some other epbt set.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: paperassgasket on Thu, 28 January 2021, 09:52:25
      I agree, there's really no point. It would just make the alt alphas more expensive. If you want extra spacebars then just pick up the spacebar kit and help it make MOQ.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: zekth on Thu, 28 January 2021, 10:00:52
      I agree, there's really no point. It would just make the alt alphas more expensive. If you want extra spacebars then just pick up the spacebar kit and help it make MOQ.

      Well, 1$ more or something like this. But because 6085 doesn't offer a full alternate mod kit it's useless to have a spacebar in the alt alpha kit.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: ideus on Thu, 28 January 2021, 13:15:21
      The Cyrillic and Hiragana sets may have their own 6.25u space–bars. Space–bars will have heavy use and it is always good to have a spare, handy.

      I would, but there isn't really an added benefit other than having an extra 6.25u spacebar. Without the base you can't really fill out any boards with the alphas + some other kit alone. And the color of the alphas won't pair with any other sets, so it's not like you could buy just the alphas and expect them to match some other epbt set.


      Right, there is no source for a matching space-bar replacement. Give your customers the chance of getting an extra space-bar along with the alternate alphas, which is a plus. When your space-bar gets shiny—and it will, eventually—you will have a spare-one.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nordhelle on Thu, 28 January 2021, 14:38:52
      Very cool!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: CustomerSupport on Fri, 29 January 2021, 16:28:51
      I am itching like a hound to place my order!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 02 February 2021, 12:28:32
      Updates:
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: CustomerSupport on Tue, 02 February 2021, 15:43:42
      Nice. I'm going to throw this on my Nue 8)
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 02 February 2021, 16:10:55
      The Cyrillic and Hiragana sets may have their own 6.25u space–bars. Space–bars will have heavy use and it is always good to have a spare, handy.

      I would, but there isn't really an added benefit other than having an extra 6.25u spacebar. Without the base you can't really fill out any boards with the alphas + some other kit alone. And the color of the alphas won't pair with any other sets, so it's not like you could buy just the alphas and expect them to match some other epbt set.


      Right, there is no source for a matching space-bar replacement. Give your customers the chance of getting an extra space-bar along with the alternate alphas, which is a plus. When your space-bar gets shiny—and it will, eventually—you will have a spare-one.

      Yeah but this would only provide a replacement for the 6.25u spacebar, and only for people who bought the Hiragana or Cyrillic kits. I get where you're coming from, but, to be honest I'm not really making any other changes to the set unless there are glaring issues.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: juice_pouch on Tue, 02 February 2021, 20:41:43
      Let's go !
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: derpturtle on Fri, 05 February 2021, 21:32:56
      this is so nice... make windowed keycaps great again!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085
      Post by: Little4Real on Tue, 09 February 2021, 09:03:27
      From what a couple of people on Discord have said it seems like Hammer is back to communicating with people. So if this isn't set in stone for ePBT maybe try reaching out to him again? I know you said you tried in the past, just thought I'd throw this out there.

      Sorry at this point the set is firmly ePBT.

      So what about DCS Alps? If that was eventually ran, I'd easily purchase 4-5 sets.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: hali on Tue, 09 February 2021, 13:08:26
      god i love windows
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: 1258973 on Fri, 05 March 2021, 18:35:17
      Great looking set.
      Is it possible to include the subtle yellow-ish spacebar from the original in the space bars kit?
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: HappyB0T on Sat, 06 March 2021, 04:35:35
      Woah - this has really changed a lot. I love the base and the new set breakdown!! Great job !
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: LordHaveMercy on Sat, 06 March 2021, 04:48:21
      I want this. Can't wait for the GB to start next month! :D
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: VXQN on Sat, 06 March 2021, 11:18:28
      This set literally has a key that says "keyboard" on it. Do you even like keyboards if you pass on purchasing?
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: shine on Mon, 08 March 2021, 11:40:26
      Really nice set!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: elisyan on Sun, 21 March 2021, 14:35:29
      I'm glad to see 1.5u super keys made it to the base kit. Super useful for a mac hhkb layout.
      The inspiration behind this set is great and I am looking forward to the GB especially since it won't have GMK lead times.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: Mark The Weeb on Sun, 21 March 2021, 21:39:53
      vintage look is killer
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: Endeavour1934 on Fri, 26 March 2021, 19:42:15
      I'm super hyped for this set!

      BTW, could you tell EPBT to fix their stepped caps lock? All the EPBT sets I have have a missaligned stepped caps lock keycap, it's too close to the A next to it. I guess the stem is not placed correctly.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: nu_types on Sun, 28 March 2021, 16:19:35
      Alright everyone some big announcements to make:
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: nu_types on Sun, 28 March 2021, 16:21:53
      I'm super hyped for this set!

      BTW, could you tell EPBT to fix their stepped caps lock? All the EPBT sets I have have a missaligned stepped caps lock keycap, it's too close to the A next to it. I guess the stem is not placed correctly.
      I'll bring this to KBDfans' attention.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: mrkevint on Sun, 28 March 2021, 16:37:21
      Both the collaborative artisan and cable look awesome.

      This set just speaks to me. I'm going to try and go all in once the GB is live. Great job!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: MrSurreal on Mon, 29 March 2021, 06:49:50
      Vintage look, I like it.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: nu_types on Tue, 30 March 2021, 01:42:26
      I'm super hyped for this set!

      BTW, could you tell EPBT to fix their stepped caps lock? All the EPBT sets I have have a missaligned stepped caps lock keycap, it's too close to the A next to it. I guess the stem is not placed correctly.
      I'll bring this to KBDfans' attention.
      I just received confirmation from KBDfans that this issue will be addressed with the new molds.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: actress on Tue, 30 March 2021, 02:26:54
      Thank you for the NorDeUK kit and Cyrillic subs!!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: VXQN on Tue, 30 March 2021, 04:05:51
      Got worried about the pricing for this kit and was fully prepared to spend "too much" on it, but I forgot that ePBT is like...half the price of GMK. The NorDeUK kit especially is something I thought I would have to skip, but €20 is so reasonable!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: hottrout on Wed, 31 March 2021, 03:34:47
      Thank you for UK and the great little STOP cap.  I will go in on these sets for sure.  Well done.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: andtar2 on Wed, 31 March 2021, 04:03:14
      Isn't R3 \| still missing in Base/NorDeUk?
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: nu_types on Wed, 31 March 2021, 08:48:37
      Isn't R3 \| still missing in Base/NorDeUk?

      No. R3 \l is really only included in most sets for generic ISO coverage. Instead of doing that for this set, someone recommended included the OG ‘’ and “” keys and I chose to do that in the base kit.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 31 March 2021, 20:33:58
      Just a couple weeks left. Can't wait!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: nu_types on Sat, 03 April 2021, 14:53:03
      Just a couple weeks left. Can't wait!

      Thanks! Me neither ;D.

      ----------------------------------------------------

      On another note, I've updated the alternate alpha kits to include 6.25 and 7u spacebars and I've added the rest of the number row keys to the Cyrillic kit. This will allow people to use the alternate alphas standalone with mods from a different set on boards 65% or smaller if they wish. These changes will not impact the cost of these kits.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: TalksToChalk on Thu, 08 April 2021, 14:11:13
      Instabuy for me
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: CustomerSupport on Sat, 10 April 2021, 01:41:17
      On another note, I've updated the alternate alpha kits to include 6.25 and 7u spacebars and I've added the rest of the number row keys to the Cyrillic kit. This will allow people to use the alternate alphas standalone with mods from a different set on boards 65% or smaller if they wish.

      These changes will not impact the cost of these kits.

      P.O.G.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: Skeil on Sat, 10 April 2021, 08:53:30
      The design is super clean!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: eniigma on Mon, 12 April 2021, 08:36:11
      I'm super hyped for this set!

      BTW, could you tell EPBT to fix their stepped caps lock? All the EPBT sets I have have a missaligned stepped caps lock keycap, it's too close to the A next to it. I guess the stem is not placed correctly.
      I'll bring this to KBDfans' attention.
      I just received confirmation from KBDfans that this issue will be addressed with the new molds.
      Just to confirm - this set will be produced with the new molds?
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th
      Post by: nu_types on Mon, 12 April 2021, 13:32:18
      I'm super hyped for this set!

      BTW, could you tell EPBT to fix their stepped caps lock? All the EPBT sets I have have a missaligned stepped caps lock keycap, it's too close to the A next to it. I guess the stem is not placed correctly.
      I'll bring this to KBDfans' attention.
      I just received confirmation from KBDfans that this issue will be addressed with the new molds.
      Just to confirm - this set will be produced with the new molds?
      That is correct
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: azzipa on Wed, 14 April 2021, 23:36:51
      loving this set but i have a really stupid observation: i can find no information that states whether this is made from ABS or PBT. yeah, it's ePBT but they also make ABS keycaps. i've looked at this IC and kbdfans (the only website so far with the set posted). fwiw, i've searched each page using " pbt" (space in front of pbt) and "abs"
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: CustomerSupport on Wed, 14 April 2021, 23:46:19
      loving this set but i have a really stupid observation: i can find no information that states whether this is made from ABS or PBT. yeah, it's ePBT but they also make ABS keycaps. i've looked at this IC and kbdfans (the only website so far with the set posted). fwiw, i've searched each page using " pbt" (space in front of pbt) and "abs"

      Should be PBT
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: nu_types on Thu, 15 April 2021, 00:43:47
      loving this set but i have a really stupid observation: i can find no information that states whether this is made from ABS or PBT. yeah, it's ePBT but they also make ABS keycaps. i've looked at this IC and kbdfans (the only website so far with the set posted). fwiw, i've searched each page using " pbt" (space in front of pbt) and "abs"

      It is PBT :thumb:.

      On another note, the GB post should be up soon!
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: azzipa on Thu, 15 April 2021, 08:15:40
      Should be PBT

      It is PBT :thumb:.

      On another note, the GB post should be up soon!

      thanks!

      edit: and keypresso is live! glwgb  :thumb:
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: dkrikun00 on Thu, 15 April 2021, 10:11:40
      Would be a buy for me if that was run in CRP
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: paperassgasket on Thu, 15 April 2021, 10:53:37
      oh dang wasn't there another deskmat?
      When did that get yeeted? I only see the one up on kbdfans
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: azzipa on Thu, 15 April 2021, 10:54:47
      Would be a buy for me if that was run in CRP

      my good dude: you registered your id yesterday and this is your 5th post. did you really mean to show up on the day nu_types' gb goes live (after months of planning and 5 pages of ic) just to say you're not gonna buy? is that really the introduction you want to make? just sayin', seems a bit rude. imagine talking like that irl to a person you just met and know nothing about
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: nu_types on Thu, 15 April 2021, 11:01:20
      oh dang wasn't there another deskmat?
      When did that get yeeted? I only see the one up on kbdfans


      Yeah there was another design, but I dropped it awhile back. I felt like more than one deskmat was a little much for a set like this, and plus, I wasn't really feeling the light variant of the deskmat personally.

      Would be a buy for me if that was run in CRP

      my good dude: you registered your id yesterday and this is your 5th post. did you really mean to show up on the day nu_types' gb goes live (after months of planning and 5 pages of ic) just to say you're not gonna buy? is that really the introduction you want to make? just sayin', seems a bit rude. imagine talking like that irl to a person you just met and know nothing about

      Haha, no worries. No offense taken. People have their preferences and opinions and that's okay.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: P103 on Thu, 15 April 2021, 11:02:16
      6085 to the moon we go.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: paperassgasket on Thu, 15 April 2021, 11:03:55
      oh dang wasn't there another deskmat?
      When did that get yeeted? I only see the one up on kbdfans


      Yeah there was another design, but I dropped it awhile back. I felt like more than one deskmat was a little much for a set like this, and plus, I wasn't really feeling the light variant of the deskmat personally.


      *Cries in RAL4004*

      (https://i.imgur.com/9zGrvIg.png)
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: dkrikun00 on Thu, 15 April 2021, 15:16:22
      oh dang wasn't there another deskmat?
      When did that get yeeted? I only see the one up on kbdfans


      Yeah there was another design, but I dropped it awhile back. I felt like more than one deskmat was a little much for a set like this, and plus, I wasn't really feeling the light variant of the deskmat personally.

      Would be a buy for me if that was run in CRP

      my good dude: you registered your id yesterday and this is your 5th post. did you really mean to show up on the day nu_types' gb goes live (after months of planning and 5 pages of ic) just to say you're not gonna buy? is that really the introduction you want to make? just sayin', seems a bit rude. imagine talking like that irl to a person you just met and know nothing about

      Haha, no worries. No offense taken. People have their preferences and opinions and that's okay.
      I have also registered before yesterday, it is a glitch, and neither this should matter.

      Nope, in fact, it should mean that I love this design a lot. In fact, so much as to care to state that.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: plexabyte on Thu, 15 April 2021, 20:33:39
      How do the alpha colors compare to ePBT Grayscale? I'm assuming they're more beige? Trying to find 2.25u/2.75u spacebars to match Grayscale.
      Title: Re: [IC] ePBT 6085 - GB starts April 15th. Pricing added!
      Post by: nu_types on Thu, 15 April 2021, 21:43:27
      How do the alpha colors compare to ePBT Grayscale? I'm assuming they're more beige? Trying to find 2.25u/2.75u spacebars to match Grayscale.

      Yes, the alphas are going to be more beige than grayscale.

      Btw, since the GB thread is now open, let's take all related conversation there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=112307.0). I'm going to lock this thread.