[GB] Time TKL - GB closed

[senter]

Dear buyers in Time TKL group buy,

Some one have already received messages from DHL and should will receive the keyboard in this week.

At this moment I'd like to say thank you all for your support in this group buy.

Time TKL is the second keyboard we developed. It's a little crazy, yet special.
It's so special that not everyone like, but I'm glad I made it happen because you like it and joined the group buy.

Many buyers in Orange TKL group buy also joined this one. I'm so glad that I gain your trust.

Special thanks to zFrontier. They were very professional and patient through all the phases in this group buy and make sure everything goes well.

There are also three unexpected issues in the gb/keyboard.

• The secret gift for founder editions we intended to give were custom-made desk mats. We changed our mind at last because of lack of time. The final secret gifts are not so special but are pricier than the original one.
• The brass weights were planned to be electroplated. However, the factory found that the small brass parts will be burnt to black with normal electroplating. We decided to only polish the brass surface lightly and keep the raw brass parts as is. You can compare the electroplated brass and raw brass small parts. If your brass parts are oxidized in the future, the recommended treatment for them are applying a mixture of lemon juice + baking soda. You can also contact me if you’re not satisfied with the brass parts.
• The design of top case is a little lack of consideration that the assembled plate is pretty difficult to be screwed in the top case. You'll need to find the correct angle to put together the plate and top case, which is tricky. A easy way to solve this problem is to solder switches while the plate is attached to the top case.

At last, we'll be responsible for all possible problems. Feel free to ask me if you get any problems. My email address is runninghack[at]gmail[dot]com. Joining our discord channel is also an easy way to find me.

January 24, 2018
Senter


Introduction






IC post

Please find the detailed information and put your order on zFrontier

They will start accepting orders on November 2nd (eastern daylight time), 8 PM, right before TopClack starts.

Price

The price will be a fixed $458 with free shipping.

The pricing is like $390 for the board + $20 for paypal transaction fee + $50 for shipping (if it was a self-organized GB)

What you get

• Aluminum top and bottom case
• Aluminum switch plate
• Aluminum weights (11 parts)
• Aluminum logo plate (The 'TIME' logo above the arrow keys)
• PCB: compatible with both MX switches and ALPS switches
• Other accessories: screws, neoprene damping pad, self-adhesive rubber feet, screwdriver, and so on

All the aluminum parts are either CNC machined or wire EDMed.

Fox Lab && zFrontier

Reasons why FoxLab is collaborating with zFrontier to organize and fulfill the GB for Time TKL:

• Guarantee a successful GB. There're always risks joining GBs in the community. Working with a reputable vender is the best way we can think of to allay your concerns.
• Avoid mistakes. zFrontier is professional on organizing the order information and sorting the boards.
• Fast and reliable logistic solution. zFrontier has facilities in Shanghai and Hong Kong and full time employees to provide better logistic solutions
• Customer service. With the help of zFrontier, we will provide professional after sales service for this GB.

Founder Edition

• Founder edition has 'founder edition' engraved on the bottom weights, instead of the time of GB on normal editions.
• Founder edition comes with an additional secrete gift for free.
• The first 38 orders will get founder editions.
• Old customers of Orange TKL can get founder editions as well. Please PM me you order number or send me an email.

Contact

• Comment here or PM me
• Click 'support' on the right corner of zFrontier's webpage

GB closed

[senter]

As I mentioned, two days to go before GB starts on zfrontier.

I didn't expect this post can be approved in such a short time. LOL

[digi]

1st

[gt1989]

Are there anymore pictures of the color samples, the ones on the site are kind small.

[xondat]

1st

You're 2nd there mate.

GLWB senter

[senter]

Are there anymore pictures of the color samples, the ones on the site are kind small.

Yes, check out these photos

[senter]

1st

You're 2nd there mate.

GLWB senter

Thank you and GLWB for you 268 GB

[gt1989]

Are there anymore pictures of the color samples, the ones on the site are kind small.

Yes, check out these photos

Awesome, thanks

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[ye_cole]

When will it end?

[senter]

When will it end?

Nov 2th - Nov 23th, 2017

[_rubik]

I want to pull the trigger... but I just don't think I can. It's so painful to let this one go...

[lanyusea]

When will it end?

Nov 2th - Nov 23th, 2017

so does it mean the GB in GH is non such limited as the one in ZF.cn?

I thought the GB of Time would start in China and overseas at the same time with both 66 units limited.  LOL

[fishpod]

GLWGB

this is definitely gonna be a big and successful GB

[Stresemann]

I would like to buy one. I hope there are more rendering photos available with other colors

[senter]

When will it end?

Nov 2th - Nov 23th, 2017

so does it mean the GB in GH is non such limited as the one in ZF.cn?

I thought the GB of Time would start in China and overseas at the same time with both 66 units limited.  LOL

It's not limited here.

[senter]

I would like to buy one. I hope there are more rendering photos available with other colors

There're some renders for the emerald green version in the IC post. That's all I got.

You can also check out these photos for color samples.

[Yeols]

Is it available 87keys(including windows keys) as well?

[senter]

Is it available 87keys(including windows keys) as well?

Yes, 87, 86, and 84 keys are all available.

[gt1989]

I'm torn between the blue and green color for the case. Anyone know what are some SA keysets that would look good with a green case?

[aspenc4]

Hana would look good on that imo


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[aspenc4]

Or Grand Budapest


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[TerryMathews]

Is this BootMapper like Orange was?

[PotatoTM]

What an absolutely stunning board, I sadly won't be getting this one but look forward to your future projects!

[senter]

Is this BootMapper like Orange was?

The PCBs use atmega32a as the controller which means they can be programmed using bootmapper client. They were supplied by another team who makes PCBs.

BTW, I'm working on a 32u4 or 32u2 version as well. I can make the schematics and TMK/QMK firmware but I'm not good at making the PCB file. This won't be an option in this GB but I'll work it out some day at least for myself.

[nurupism]

Thanks for opening this up, been looking forward to this for a long time.

What is the pricing like for the brass weight? Does it replace all 11 pieces of aluminum?

[Tally810]

Will the clock be brass if I do the brass upgrade?

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[//gainsborough]

Thanks for opening this up, been looking forward to this for a long time.

What is the pricing like for the brass weight? Does it replace all 11 pieces of aluminum?

I'm interested in knowing this as well!

[KetchyKech]

Im def in. Senter, I'd like to know if there will be a carrying case included this time around and if we can pick the color of top and bottom half (if I were to get two different colors for the halves for example). Thank you! Looking forward to this. 

[Tre3Cycl3S]

Oh boy, really excited to get my hands on this!

Just a question: Looks like the PCB supports split right shift and split backspace,and it seems like the MX plate supports that configuration, but does the alps plate supports that configuration? I think I remember senter mentioned that the alps plate is not universal in the IC thread, just wondering if anything changed between then and now.

[senter]

Thanks for opening this up, been looking forward to this for a long time.

What is the pricing like for the brass weight? Does it replace all 11 pieces of aluminum?

Upgrading to brass weight will cost around $92 or so. All the 11 pieces will be brass.

[senter]

Im def in. Senter, I'd like to know if there will be a carrying case included this time around and if we can pick the color of top and bottom half (if I were to get two different colors for the halves for example). Thank you! Looking forward to this. 

Sorry, no carrying case this time, and not available for different colors on two halves

[senter]

Oh boy, really excited to get my hands on this!

Just a question: Looks like the PCB supports split right shift and split backspace,and it seems like the MX plate supports that configuration, but does the alps plate supports that configuration? I think I remember senter mentioned that the alps plate is not universal in the IC thread, just wondering if anything changed between then and now.

The PCB was designed by another team and this is the first time they make ALPS compatible PCBs. Honestly I'm not 100% sure what layouts it will support without problems. For now it's only safe to say it will support WKL 84 key layout. We'll figure it out the compatibility and make it fully tested of course.

[Eric404atx]

Anyone else notice the typo in the renders showing "founder editon"?  I hope this isn't on the production models.

[xondat]

Anyone else notice the typo in the renders showing "founder editon"?  I hope this isn't on the production models.

Could be a translation issue as I've seen that before.

For the note, it should be "Founders Edition"

[senter]

Anyone else notice the typo in the renders showing "founder editon"?  I hope this isn't on the production models.

Yes, that was a typo. It's been fixed already.

[JDragon]

Will the brass be coated to prevent tarnishing?

[senter]

Will the brass be coated to prevent tarnishing?

Yes

[elightcap]

Ordered! How do i know if i got founders?

[//gainsborough]

Ordered! How do i know if i got founders?

I was wondering that as well!  Hahaha.

[BJW]

I just have ordered Time TKL and have some questions about it.
1. what is the difference between 'extra time logo aluminum plate' and 'extra regular MX compatible plate'.
2. As I ordered mine through en.Zfroniter, how can I select the color and what key settings I want(I want 86 with 6.25 spacebar)
3. From the post, it is said that the GB starts at 8PM for EDT which is 9AM for KST(next day). But I have found that the thread was already opened at 8:57. I really wanted a Founders' edition as I could not afford to buy Orange TKL.

[Vigrith]

Ordered! How do i know if i got founders?

Better question yet, what even is the founders?

Edit: I'm blind, seen it on the OP now. Durr.

[beerafffe1]

Is there any sample of the rose pink weights and plates? Hard to make the decision on which color to get.

[senter]

I just have ordered Time TKL and have some questions about it.
1. what is the difference between 'extra time logo aluminum plate' and 'extra regular MX compatible plate'.
2. As I ordered mine through en.Zfroniter, how can I select the color and what key settings I want(I want 86 with 6.25 spacebar)
3. From the post, it is said that the GB starts at 8PM for EDT which is 9AM for KST(next day). But I have found that the thread was already opened at 8:57. I really wanted a Founders' edition as I could not afford to buy Orange TKL.

Thank you for your order!

1. 'time logo aluminum plate' is the 'Time' logo on the front.  'regular MX compatible plate' is the switch plate
2. There're options for colors. They didn't add the layout options but now they're adding the options now. Please contact the customer service of zFrontier to confirm your layout. Here's the email you can send emails to: support@zfrontier.com
3. The launch time should be correct. I guess you mixed up EST and EDT.

[senter]

Is there any sample of the rose pink weights and plates? Hard to make the decision on which color to get.

There're only color samples for rose pink. You can find them on zFrontier.

[senter]

The first several orders didn't have layout options (84, 86, 87). The default setting is 87 WK layout. If you're the first people who placed orders and want to choose 84 or 86 layouts, please contact support@zfrontier.com

[Vigrith]

The first several orders didn't have layout options (84, 86, 87). The default setting is 87 WK layout. If you're the first people who placed orders and want to choose 84 or 86 layouts, please contact support@zfrontier.com

Pardon my ignorance but if 87 is WK, then 84 is WKL and 86 is... something? Sorry if this is obvious.

[Puddsy]

The first several orders didn't have layout options (84, 86, 87). The default setting is 87 WK layout. If you're the first people who placed orders and want to choose 84 or 86 layouts, please contact support@zfrontier.com

Pardon my ignorance but if 87 is WK, then 84 is WKL and 86 is... something? Sorry if this is obvious.

I think it's WKL without blockers.

[senter]

The first several orders didn't have layout options (84, 86, 87). The default setting is 87 WK layout. If you're the first people who placed orders and want to choose 84 or 86 layouts, please contact support@zfrontier.com

Pardon my ignorance but if 87 is WK, then 84 is WKL and 86 is... something? Sorry if this is obvious.

Actually I don't know how people call these three layouts. I check some posts and found they just call them 84, 86, and 87 layouts. That's how the options show on zfrontier currently. Tell me if it's not correct.

[BJW]

There are two types of 86 key with the one 7U spacebar and 6.25U spacebar
Which one do you support? I would prefer 86 with 6.25U

[Delirious]

87 = no blockers
86 = chinese winkeyless with small blockers (6.25u)
84 = og winkeyless with big blockers (7u)

Also senter can we have the option of alps plate right off the main order?

[senter]

There are two types of 86 key with the one 7U spacebar and 6.25U spacebar
Which one do you support? I would prefer 86 with 6.25U

Our 86 key layout is exactly the type you like.

[senter]

87 = no blockers
86 = chinese winkeyless with small blockers (6.25u)
84 = og winkeyless with big blockers (7u)

Also senter can we have the option of alps plate right off the main order?

ALPS plates are only available as an extra part which cost $22. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Vigrith]

Actually I don't know how people call these three layouts. I check some posts and found they just call them 84, 86, and 87 layouts. That's how the options show on zfrontier currently. Tell me if it's not correct.

I think it's WKL without blockers.

87 = no blockers
86 = chinese winkeyless with small blockers (6.25u)
84 = og winkeyless with big blockers (7u)

Also senter can we have the option of alps plate right off the main order?

Thanks homies, Delirious' explanation makes perfect sense, it was just hard for me to picture it without actual images portraying the different layouts as I'm not super familiar with the nomenclature.

86 key it is then!

[KetchyKech]

Ordered!!! Msg'ing you now for dat founders <3 

[Sylanthra]

I am confused about the logo. There is an option to buy an extra brass logo plate, but no option to upgrade the logo to brass. Does this mean that logo is brass by default? If not, can you add an upgrade option, I don't want to pay extra for the aluminum logo that I will never use.

Thanks.

[senter]

I am confused about the logo. There is an option to buy an extra brass logo plate, but no option to upgrade the logo to brass. Does this mean that logo is brass by default? If not, can you add an upgrade option, I don't want to pay extra for the aluminum logo that I will never use.

Thanks.

The default logo plate is in aluminum. The only way to get a brass "Time" logo is to buy an extra one. It's not able to add all customization options on the website. And we're not able to add that option for you. Sorry about that. The aluminum logo only sells for $10.

[Jokrik]

Hello good sir, very interesting keyboard and thinking to get one
wondering how heavy the keyboard roughly after assembly?

[Tre3Cycl3S]

Would love to know if I got founders edition. I really hope I made it in TIME! (... I'll show myself out...)

[senter]

Hello good sir, very interesting keyboard and thinking to get one
wondering how heavy the keyboard roughly after assembly?

top and bottom cases + aluminum plate + aluminum weight = 3.7 lbs

It will be how heavier with brass weights of course.

We didn't measure it after assembly.

[senter]

Would love to know if I got founders edition. I really hope I made it in TIME! (... I'll show myself out...)

You should be. There were not so many people joined last night.

[vtachkov]

Just placed an order (hoping not too late for dat founders edition), but I wasn't decided on upgrading to the brass weight. Will we still be able to add additional items up until the GB ends?

[senter]

Just placed an order (hoping not too late for dat founders edition), but I wasn't decided on upgrading to the brass weight. Will we still be able to add additional items up until the GB ends?

Yes, you still have plenty time to decide.

[ElvenSmite]

Ordered (Hopefully in time for founders edition... )!

[dante]

This desperately needs Chrono Trigger music playing in the background.

Edit: Or the movie Interstellar!

[papa]

Ordered! 

[senter]

Here's a build video from /u/manofinterests

[Sylvester]

Here's a build video from /u/manofinterests

The matte black PCB looks great!

[mbljs5555]

Can't wait!

[senter]

Thanks Brian and Huey, Time TKL showed up on NorCal Meetup: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7ce4z1/my_norcal_meetup_bestof_list/

[lshlsh1995]

So if I order it now, do I still have a chance of getting founder edition?

[lshlsh1995]

The first several orders didn't have layout options (84, 86, 87). The default setting is 87 WK layout. If you're the first people who placed orders and want to choose 84 or 86 layouts, please contact support@zfrontier.com

SO if I order now, do I still have a chance of getting the founder edition ones?

[senter]

So if I order it now, do I still have a chance of getting founder edition?

The first 38 orders will be founder editions. You can ask zFrontier to confirm what version you will get. I don't know the current number. There were about 10 old customers contacted me about their purchase. They will get founder editions as well but they are not included in the 38 orders.

[manofinterests]

I just finished my review of the Time TKL!

Here it is:

[senter]

I just finished my review of the Time TKL!

Here it is:

Thank you for the professional review. This is a prototype version. The CNC and anodizing will be even better in the final products. The design of little tip has been changed a little bit to make it stronger. /u/zF_IndianaJones or I can send you a replacement of that part.

BTW, nice stickers on your table

[nurupism]

Hey Senter, do you have any photos of what color/shade the brass weights are? Are they going to be the same color as the brass weight on the Fox Orange?
I'm trying to figure out how good they would look with a black case.

[senter]

Hey Senter, do you have any photos of what color/shade the brass weights are? Are they going to be the same color as the brass weight on the Fox Orange?
I'm trying to figure out how good they would look with a black case.

Brass weights for Time TKL haven't been made. The color is identical to the brass weight on Orange TKL.

[GeauxBulldogs]

Hello.  I'm new to Mech Keyboards and this will be my first custom build.  If I were to upgrade to brass weights, would I still get a set of aluminum weights in the color of my choice?

[Puddsy]

Hello.  I'm new to Mech Keyboards and this will be my first custom build.  If I were to upgrade to brass weights, would I still get a set of aluminum weights in the color of my choice?

not unless you order an alu weight to go with it, no

[senter]

Hello.  I'm new to Mech Keyboards and this will be my first custom build.  If I were to upgrade to brass weights, would I still get a set of aluminum weights in the color of my choice?

I'm glad you're choosing Time TKL as your first custom keyboard. Puddsy was right about your question.

[euphoria]

Hello, I am considering joining this group buy, however on zFrontier there doesn't seem to be an option of picking the color when adding it to the cart. Is this intentional? If so how do we specify what colors we want?

[senter]

Hello, I am considering joining this group buy, however on zFrontier there doesn't seem to be an option of picking the color when adding it to the cart. Is this intentional? If so how do we specify what colors we want?

Is this the page you were looking at? There're 4 options of colors as I can see. The second option is for the color of top/bottom cases. The 3rd option is for the bottom parts, plate, and logo plate.

[euphoria]

Yes it is. This is the page as I see it. I only see one drop down menu on the whole page. Hopefully I'm not missing anything..

[senter]

Yes it is. This is the page as I see it. I only see one drop down menu on the whole page. Hopefully I'm not missing anything..

I guess it's a technical problem. Could you try to use another browser?

You can also contact zFrontier and see what's the problem.

[euphoria]

I have tried multiple browsers and still no luck. Will reach out to support and see what I can do.

[BJW]

Hey Senter, do you have any photos of what color/shade the brass weights are? Are they going to be the same color as the brass weight on the Fox Orange?
I'm trying to figure out how good they would look with a black case.

Brass weights for Time TKL haven't been made. The color is identical to the brass weight on Orange TKL.

Where can I see the color of brass weight on Orange TKL cannot find one

[Puddsy]

Hey Senter, do you have any photos of what color/shade the brass weights are? Are they going to be the same color as the brass weight on the Fox Orange?
I'm trying to figure out how good they would look with a black case.

Brass weights for Time TKL haven't been made. The color is identical to the brass weight on Orange TKL.

Where can I see the color of brass weight on Orange TKL cannot find one

it's just normal uncoated brass

[senter]

Hey Senter, do you have any photos of what color/shade the brass weights are? Are they going to be the same color as the brass weight on the Fox Orange?
I'm trying to figure out how good they would look with a black case.

Brass weights for Time TKL haven't been made. The color is identical to the brass weight on Orange TKL.

Where can I see the color of brass weight on Orange TKL cannot find one

There's an option 'upgrade from aluminum weight to brass weight' on this page: https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/keyboards/products/foxlab-time-ac?variant=271550775307

[elightcap]

Sorry if its posted somewhere (im sure it is) but i don't remember, is there a schedule/timeline for production and shipping on this?

[shadowrealmwarez]

Sorry if its posted somewhere (im sure it is) but i don't remember, is there a schedule/timeline for production and shipping on this?

From the zfrontier page:

• Group buy: Nov 2th - Nov 23th, 2017
• Estimated ship date:  within 8 weeks
• Free shipping

[Yeols]

I want to know the progress of the work.

[senter]

I want to know the progress of the work.

Everything is going well so far. The production will be finished late this month or early next month. After that we'll examine the quality then ship all the boards to zFrontier. zFrontier will double check the quality and ship the boards to you.

[quanghuy1200]

Sorry guys

[blacksimon]

I have join the GB but I need the money for now. I got the FE No. but don't know the exact number yet. Mine is black color full upgrade to brass and 1 extra black alu logo.
https://imgur.com/wPHPWb1
WTS it at: $570

why you gotta cross out the package prices like that bro, you afraid we're gonna dox you based on your currency or what?

[Pell99]

I am really looking forward.

[BJW]

Happy new year~

Any updates?

[senter]

Happy new year~

Any updates?

Happy new year. Anodizing will be started tomorrow. You can expect anodizing to be finished in one week.

[Puddsy]

Happy new year~

Any updates?

Happy new year. Anodizing will be started tomorrow. You can expect anodizing to be finished in one week.

christ

we're looking at another 6 week GB

why can't every GB be like this

[alienman82]

removed.

[senter]

Quick update: Anodizing has been finished. Sorting starts today.

[gt1989]

Quick update: Anodizing has been finished. Sorting starts today.

Awesome, you don't happen to have any pictures to share, do you?

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[BJW]

Amazing speed! After sorting will the ktis be shipped?

[senter]

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Amazing speed! After sorting will the ktis be shipped?

Sorting on our side has been finished. All the boards are being shipped to zfrontier. zfrontier will do the QC again, then package and ship boards to you.

[BJW]

You guys are so fast... did not even waste time in taking pictures of Time TKL kit. ) )

[avid]

Very impressive.

[TechieWeirdo]

Very impressive of the professionalism and effectiveness. One of the quickest GBs I have ever joined so far. How long will the delivery to zFrontier and QC take (approximately)?

[Pell99]

That's really fast! 

[lanyusea]

well....

that's the normal speed for keeb's GB in China 

[BJW]

Is this using USB Mini B cable  or USB C type or micro 5pin?
Also is there any picture of the kit?

[AgonizedFish]

Any news on the status of the kits? I haven't seen any updates!

[senter]

Is this using USB Mini B cable  or USB C type or micro 5pin?
Also is there any picture of the kit?

USB Mini B

Any news on the status of the kits? I haven't seen any updates!

We've sent all the boards to zFrontier for more than one week. The buyers in the Chinese GB have already received their boards. zFrontier checked more carefully on the international ones since this shipping will be expensive if problems happen.

I just asked zFrontier about the status. They told me that boards will be shipped in two days.

Here're some photos shared by Chinese buyers:

[tanvir175]

Oh man, I wish I could have jumped on this.

Any plans to bring back the Time keeb, maybe in other form factors? Or will your next project be completely different?

[Vigrith]

Oh man, I wish I could have jumped on this.

Any plans to bring back the Time keeb, maybe in other form factors? Or will your next project be completely different?

Would also love another run, in any form factor/layout, really. This keyboard is incredibly special.

[senter]

Oh man, I wish I could have jumped on this.

Any plans to bring back the Time keeb, maybe in other form factors? Or will your next project be completely different?

Would also love another run, in any form factor/layout, really. This keyboard is incredibly special.

Time TKL was a little crazy even for me. I'm glad I tried to make such a special keyboard come true.

I'm considering to make the next one a little regular. Orange/Pizza in 75% layout might be worth trying since I've been asked for many times.

[tanvir175]

Oh man, I wish I could have jumped on this.

Any plans to bring back the Time keeb, maybe in other form factors? Or will your next project be completely different?

Would also love another run, in any form factor/layout, really. This keyboard is incredibly special.

Yeah, that is the most gorgeous "rear end" of a keyboard I've seen. It would have been super insane if it had moving parts and worked as a clock but it's for the better that it didn't, lol.

Time TKL was a little crazy even for me. I'm glad I tried to make such a special keyboard come true.

I'm considering to make the next one a little regular. Orange/Pizza in 75% layout might be worth trying since I've been asked for many times.

I'll be keeping an eye out on your other projects and patiently waiting for another Time Keeb, if you decide to run it again

[breusch91]

Oh man, I wish I could have jumped on this.

Any plans to bring back the Time keeb, maybe in other form factors? Or will your next project be completely different?

Would also love another run, in any form factor/layout, really. This keyboard is incredibly special.

Time TKL was a little crazy even for me. I'm glad I tried to make such a special keyboard come true.

I'm considering to make the next one a little regular. Orange/Pizza in 75% layout might be worth trying since I've been asked for many times.

Do an infinity ergodox case! files are already freely available, just need to be spiced up with some cool flair!

[lanyusea]

Oh man, I wish I could have jumped on this.

Any plans to bring back the Time keeb, maybe in other form factors? Or will your next project be completely different?

Would also love another run, in any form factor/layout, really. This keyboard is incredibly special.

Time TKL was a little crazy even for me. I'm glad I tried to make such a special keyboard come true.

I'm considering to make the next one a little regular. Orange/Pizza in 75% layout might be worth trying since I've been asked for many times.

Do an infinity ergodox case! files are already freely available, just need to be spiced up with some cool flair!

They runned an ergo case GB in China last year.

[elightcap]

awwww yeah just got my tracking, board should be here friday. so quick.

[senter]

Dear buyers in Time TKL group buy,

Some one have already received messages from DHL and should will receive the keyboard in this week.

At this moment I'd like to say thank you all for your support in this group buy.

Time TKL is the second keyboard we developed. It's a little crazy, yet special.
It's so special that not everyone like, but I'm glad I made it happen because you like it and joined the group buy.

Many buyers in Orange TKL group buy also joined this one. I'm so glad that I gain your trust.

Special thanks to zFrontier. They were very professional and patient through all the phases in this group buy and make sure everything goes well.

There are also three unexpected issues in the gb/keyboard.

• The secret gift for founder editions we intended to give were custom-made desk mats. We changed our mind at last because of lack of time. The final secret gifts are not so special but are pricier than the original one.
• The brass weights were planned to be electroplated. However, the factory found that the small brass parts will be burnt to black with normal electroplating. We decided to only polish the brass surface lightly and keep the raw brass parts as is. You can compare the electroplated brass and raw brass small parts. If your brass parts are oxidized in the future, the recommended treatment for them are applying a mixture of lemon juice + baking soda. You can also contact me if you’re not satisfied with the brass parts.
• The design of top case is a little lack of consideration that the assembled plate is pretty difficult to be screwed in the top case. You'll need to find the correct angle to put together the plate and top case, which is tricky. A easy way to solve this problem is to solder switches while the plate is attached to the top case.

At last, we'll be responsible for all possible problems. Feel free to ask me if you get any problems. My email address is runninghack[at]gmail[dot]com. Joining our discord channel is also an easy way to find me.

January 24, 2018
Senter

[TechieWeirdo]

Already got mine! Will upload some pics soon!

Edit: Added Pics ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0rsw )

[tanvir175]

Already got mine! Will upload some pics soon!

Edit: Added Pics ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0rsw )

****, I'm even more upset I missed this. That's beautiful.

[Wongstongs]

For that price I would be extremely upset with that fit and finish. Brass is just scratched to all hell.

[nurupism]

Already got mine! Will upload some pics soon!

Edit: Added Pics ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0rsw )

As someone who also ordered the brass weight, the scratches are really concerning. Are all the brass weights like this?

For an extra $100, it would be pretty disappointing if that is the case.

[OmegaSupreme]

Already got mine! Will upload some pics soon!

Edit: Added Pics ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0rsw )

As someone who also ordered the brass weight, the scratches are really concerning. Are all the brass weights like this?

For an extra $100, it would be pretty disappointing if that is the case.

That looks like someone went out of their way to scratch it up.  I wonder what went on there.  Hopefully, this is just a one off.

[DALExSNAIL]

Already got mine! Will upload some pics soon!

Edit: Added Pics ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0rsw )

Well that's dissapointing

[Puddsy]

Already got mine! Will upload some pics soon!

Edit: Added Pics ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0rsw )

As someone who also ordered the brass weight, the scratches are really concerning. Are all the brass weights like this?

For an extra $100, it would be pretty disappointing if that is the case.

That looks like someone went out of their way to scratch it up.  I wonder what went on there.  Hopefully, this is just a one off.

Brass is a very soft metal, and (to my knowledge, i'm no machinist) scratches like this are common on machined brass parts.

[senter]

Dear buyers in Time TKL group buy,

Some one have already received messages from DHL and should will receive the keyboard in this week.

At this moment I'd like to say thank you all for your support in this group buy.

Time TKL is the second keyboard we developed. It's a little crazy, yet special.
It's so special that not everyone like, but I'm glad I made it happen because you like it and joined the group buy.

Many buyers in Orange TKL group buy also joined this one. I'm so glad that I gain your trust.

Special thanks to zFrontier. They were very professional and patient through all the phases in this group buy and make sure everything goes well.

There are also three unexpected issues in the gb/keyboard.

• The secret gift for founder editions we intended to give were custom-made desk mats. We changed our mind at last because of lack of time. The final secret gifts are not so special but are pricier than the original one.
• The brass weights were planned to be electroplated. However, the factory found that the small brass parts will be burnt to black with normal electroplating. We decided to only polish the brass surface lightly and keep the raw brass parts as is. You can compare the electroplated brass and raw brass small parts. If your brass parts are oxidized in the future, the recommended treatment for them are applying a mixture of lemon juice + baking soda. You can also contact me if you’re not satisfied with the brass parts.
• The design of top case is a little lack of consideration that the assembled plate is pretty difficult to be screwed in the top case. You'll need to find the correct angle to put together the plate and top case, which is tricky. A easy way to solve this problem is to solder switches while the plate is attached to the top case.

At last, we'll be responsible for all possible problems. Feel free to ask me if you get any problems. My email address is runninghack[at]gmail[dot]com. Joining our discord channel is also an easy way to find me.

January 24, 2018
Senter

I'm sorry for the scratches of brass parts. Totally 28 sets of brass weights were sold. We'll take care of these orders. Aluminum parts don't have problems AFAIK.

Reasons of scratches: The original plan was bead blasting + anodizing. Bead blasting will remove the scratches, anodizing will provide a beautiful finish. As I explained, anodizing has some problems on small brass parts, only bead blasting makes the surface dark and won't look good. Another method we can use is polishing, however the factory can't polish small parts very well.

We choose polishing at last because We believe this is the best option. Since these are raw brass parts, you can polish them manually with fine sand papers. It's not difficult to make them look incredible. If it's unacceptable to you, here are the options I can provide:

1) Replacing the brass parts with anodized aluminum parts. I'll cover all the costs and refund you the price difference.
2) Replacing the long straight brass parts. I've talked with the factory about the issues. They said they can try to make the two long straight brass parts better. They can't do anything to the other brass parts. I'll cover all the costs.
3) Returning the brass parts to the factory for bead blasting. The bead blasted brass parts will look dark but without scratches. Polishing bead blasted brass parts will ruin the finish. I'll cover all the costs.

I didn't make this GB perfect but I'll try my best to fix it. If you have any other suggestions, please let me know.

Send me an email with the

• photos of your parts
• screenshot of your order
• text says "I don't want to polish the parts by myself"
• the option you want to choose

Thank you
Senter

[senter]

https://imgur.com/a/htBMb

Here's the result of several minutes' manually polishing

[excluisve]

Actually I have read this thread all days

Brass always be a question ,but it also have solvement .

Like this scratch you can polish it easily I think.

Run a gb not easy ,especially big gb

[lanyusea]

Actually I have read this thread all days

Brass always be a question ,but it also have solvement .

Like this scratch you can polish it easily I think.

Run a gb not easy ,especially big gb

agree

[lanyusea]

Already got mine! Will upload some pics soon!

Edit: Added Pics ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0rsw )

As someone who also ordered the brass weight, the scratches are really concerning. Are all the brass weights like this?

For an extra $100, it would be pretty disappointing if that is the case.

That looks like someone went out of their way to scratch it up.  I wonder what went on there.  Hopefully, this is just a one off.

I saw someone post her brass weight, it looks not that bad. http://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/4401 (Please ignore things other than Time TKL)
Hopefully, just a one off.

[BJW]

I saw someone post her brass weight, it looks not that bad. http://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/4401 (Please ignore things other than Time TKL)
Hopefully, just a one off.

Isn't this aluminum? by the looks of color I think its not brass: too bright compared to mine

[TechieWeirdo]

 

Already got mine! Will upload some pics soon!

Edit: Added Pics ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0rsw )

As someone who also ordered the brass weight, the scratches are really concerning. Are all the brass weights like this?

For an extra $100, it would be pretty disappointing if that is the case.

That looks like someone went out of their way to scratch it up.  I wonder what went on there.  Hopefully, this is just a one off.

I saw someone post her brass weight, it looks not that bad. http://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/4401 (Please ignore things other than Time TKL)
Hopefully, just a one off.

Idk man, mine's really scratched up, don't think this is brass too, btw did anyone notice that there's gold screws for the top and bottom weight? I got grey ones 🤔

[hormbre]

Personally, I like the brass weight, which is more matchable with the retro punk style of TIME kbd. It may not be a good idea to make it too bright.

It is an impressive product, which took a very short time to make and send out.

To the one who prefers a brighter brass weight, you may rub it down with sandpaper, it is not a hard working though 

[KetchyKech]

Rawwrrr founder's edition has arrived and I love the color. Although less green than I envisioned. I think the founder's gift was some clear stabs? I do like the inscription! 

can't wait to build this when I get some free time.

[AgonizedFish]

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Rawwrrr founder's edition has arrived and I love the color. Although less green than I envisioned. I think the founder's gift was some clear stabs? I do like the inscription!  :thumb:

can't wait to build this when I get some free time.

Wow the cyan(green?) and silver is gorgeous! I'm somewhat regretting not going with it now! What caps are you going with for your build?

[KetchyKech]

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Rawwrrr founder's edition has arrived and I love the color. Although less green than I envisioned. I think the founder's gift was some clear stabs? I do like the inscription!  :thumb:

can't wait to build this when I get some free time.

Wow the cyan(green?) and silver is gorgeous! I'm somewhat regretting not going with it now! What caps are you going with for your build?

I'd like to use my GMK Iris :) !!

thanks!

[gt1989]

Are the stabs that came with the Founder's Edition boards from Zeal PC?

[zl_ramiel]

Are the stabs that came with the Founder's Edition boards from Zeal PC?

Senter mentioned on discord that the gifts are Zeal stabs which worth $35 I guess.

[Tre3Cycl3S]

Got my Time TKL! It looks gorgeous besides the imperfections of the brass parts. Here are some pictures: (pictures taken using my phone, sorry for the poor quality)



Some close up of imperfections:



Question: Any idea how to remove that fingerprint stain here:

I tried wiping it with cloth towel but nothing seemed to worked, not sure why

Edit: Senter, what is your email address? I have some questions about the options offered to remedy this plus some problems with my order. never mind, found it!

[MoebiuS451]

Already got mine! Will upload some pics soon!

Edit: Added Pics ( https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0rsw )

****, I'm even more upset I missed this. That's beautiful.

On the contrary I am happy to have missed that order, since I should have chosen same options. Brass finition at this price tag is just plainly awfull...

[Water lee]

Amazing speed. This is the most quick gb I have ever seen. Great work. Senter
Can't wait. 
By the way. I don't think the brass is so bad. I prefer this more.I am agree with exclusive. Run a gb is not easy.

[beerafffe1]

Got mine too, my first custom. As a mechanical watch lover, this was the perfect board I simply have to get. Was not sure about the color combo when I ordered but I have to say it is spectacular in person. So spectacular that have decided to build it with Tealios to match the case.

[Puddsy]

Got mine too, my first custom. As a mechanical watch lover, this was the perfect board I simply have to get. Was not sure about the color combo when I ordered but I have to say it is spectacular in person. So spectacular that have decided to build it with Tealios to match the case.

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[le_wraith]

Just got mine. I am super disappointed by the execution of this. The brass parts are just a mess and show tons of machining marks. The plate is scratched and stained. This is really not even close to acceptable.

[Puddsy]

Just got mine. I am super disappointed by the execution of this. The brass parts are just a mess and show tons of machining marks. The plate is scratched and stained. This is really not even close to acceptable.

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take better pictures of the plate so i can see the blemishes, it looks fine in your picture

[le_wraith]

Just got mine. I am super disappointed by the execution of this. The brass parts are just a mess and show tons of machining marks. The plate is scratched and stained. This is really not even close to acceptable.

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take better pictures of the plate so i can see the blemishes, it looks fine in your picture

Look at the QWERTY row on the right between what would be the "[" and "]" keys (weird stain) and the space bar row (scratch). Some other stains as well. Honestly keys cover the plate, so the much bigger deal is the brass front and back parts and the TIME logo. Really bad machining marks all over that you can't wipe off. Same issue as with the other guy who posted his black/brass unit above me.

[vtachkov]

Just received mine as well, a black/brass combo. First thing be careful when taking it out of the box; the screws for one of the brass inserts were loose so when I flipped it over right-side-up the brass piece slipped out. Oops, but the piece is ok! The anodizing looks and feels amazing (although this is my first alum case so take that with a grain of salt). No issues with the alum plate, but I am seeing the same issues as those above for the brass. I'll reserve final judgement for after I attempt to clean up the machining marks and the splotches in the brass polish, but overall I am pretty happy with the result

On that note, does anyone have a recipe for cleaning up the brass?

[xondat]

Just received mine as well, a black/brass combo. First thing be careful when taking it out of the box; the screws for one of the brass inserts were loose so when I flipped it over right-side-up the brass piece slipped out. Oops, but the piece is ok! The anodizing looks and feels amazing (although this is my first alum case so take that with a grain of salt). No issues with the alum plate, but I am seeing the same issues as those above for the brass. I'll reserve final judgement for after I attempt to clean up the machining marks and the splotches in the brass polish, but overall I am pretty happy with the result

On that note, does anyone have a recipe for cleaning up the brass?

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Unfortunately you won't be able to get rid of the machining marks in the 2nd picture without a harsher abrasive; probably best to keep it as is.

Cleaning wise, just isopropyl alcohol will do fine for pictures 1/3/4.

[senter]

2000 grit sandpaper like this will remove scratches from the brass parts.

If you don't want to do it by yourself, here are the options: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92349.msg2552663#msg2552663

[Puddsy]

2000 grit sandpaper like this will remove scratches from the brass parts.

If you don't want to do it by yourself, here are the options: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92349.msg2552663#msg2552663

should have been done before the boards were shipped, but glad to know there's an easy solution

[vtachkov]

2000 grit sandpaper like this will remove scratches from the brass parts.

If you don't want to do it by yourself, here are the options: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92349.msg2552663#msg2552663

Alright I can give that shot plus cleaning with some isopropyl alcohol and post back with some hopefully positive results.

--- Update ---

Ok! Using 91% isopropyl alcohol with a dish washing sponge, I was able to clean most of the splotches left on the brass. Here are my previous 'before' pictures with an 'after' shot. I know it's not perfect but I'm an amateur and we're working with brass here




I'm currently soaking the 2000 grit paper, since every resource I see online says to do it. Most recommend soaking overnight so I'll try it after 15 minutes tonight and if it doesn't work out soak overnight and try again tomorrow.

[laminam]

Got mine, looks great! Really glad I skipped the brass bits.

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[BJW]

For my brass part, rub with toothpaste as they have function of polishing. 

[Puddsy]

Got mine, looks great! Really glad I skipped the brass bits.

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oh wow, great color

[nurupism]

2000 grit sandpaper like this will remove scratches from the brass parts.

If you don't want to do it by yourself, here are the options: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92349.msg2552663#msg2552663

Thanks for offering some options for the brass issue, senter. I'm still waiting for my Time TKL to arrive, hopefully it'll be okay with some polish.

In retrospect, I wish the communication for this GB was better. Many buyers would have appreciated learning about the change for the brass finish before the kits were sent out. Perhaps this is something that could be improved for future GBs? Personally I might have wanted a different colored keyboard if I knew that brass wasn't going to work out.

[seblove]

Got mine today and ... woah

[gt1989]

Got mine today and ... woah
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[Puddsy]

Got mine today and ... woah
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damn, that's  nice too

looks like all the alu parts turned out great

[le_wraith]

I hate to be a buzzkill, but the more pics I see of the other boards the angrier I am that black/brass buyers weren't warned about how badly ours would suck and given the option to switch. This just isn't right.

[TerryMathews]

I hate to be a buzzkill, but the more pics I see of the other boards the angrier I am that black/brass buyers weren't warned about how badly ours would suck and given the option to switch. This just isn't right.

I was pretty interested in the black and brass, I'm glad I didn't buy in.

[lshlsh1995]

I hate to be a buzzkill, but the more pics I see of the other boards the angrier I am that black/brass buyers weren't warned about how badly ours would suck and given the option to switch. This just isn't right.

I was pretty interested in the black and brass, I'm glad I didn't buy in.

I hate to be a buzzkill, but the more pics I see of the other boards the angrier I am that black/brass buyers weren't warned about how badly ours would suck and given the option to switch. This just isn't right.

well, copper is copper. In essence it is better than alluminum. I am thinking if I should try to make the copper parts look aged.
Idk how well google can translate this link: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-15833883722.99.473879ecnZ9IFa&id=12625996815
but basically such solution can make copper and brass look like antique. So in the very first pic, the brighter ones turn into the darker ones after being sunk into the solution.
I feel that this will definitely solve the scratch problem, but I am just kind of hesitating because I am just not sure if the color will match to black that well.

[le_wraith]

well, copper is copper. In essence it is better than alluminum. I am thinking if I should try to make the copper parts look aged.
Idk how well google can translate this link: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-15833883722.99.473879ecnZ9IFa&id=12625996815
but basically such solution can make copper and brass look like antique. So in the very first pic, the brighter ones turn into the darker ones after being sunk into the solution.
I feel that this will definitely solve the scratch problem, but I am just kind of hesitating because I am just not sure if the color will match to black that well.
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I get it . Sort of a steampunk vibe. Could work. If you try it please post results! Good luck.

[//gainsborough]

Just finished mine!!  Super happy with it! 

[fohat.digs]

That is beautiful. Sometimes I wish that I understood how group buys work. They always seem impossibly convoluted and impenetrable.

[//gainsborough]

That is beautiful. Sometimes I wish that I understood how group buys work. They always seem impossibly convoluted and impenetrable.

This was actually my first group buy!  It was pretty straightforward for the most part.  Apparently, it's normal for people to buy-in to a group buy and then wait an insanely long time after placing an order, but this one was fulfilled in like 3 months or so - which was awesome.  So now I'm probably spoiled for future group buys and I'll be pissed when I don't have the product within 3 months, haha.

[nurupism]

Just finished mine!!  Super happy with it! 

That looks pretty great! Is yours with the aluminum or brass weight?

[//gainsborough]

Just finished mine!!  Super happy with it! 

That looks pretty great! Is yours with the aluminum or brass weight?

I got brass on mine.  It's pretty heavy.

[Pell99]

Top case CNC machining has an error.
What should I do? 

[Puddsy]

Top case CNC machining has an error.
What should I do? 

picture please

[nurupism]

That looks pretty great! Is yours with the aluminum or brass weight?

I got brass on mine.  It's pretty heavy.

Did you do any polishing for your weights to get the scratches out? I'm still waiting for my kit to arrive, but I'm curious what the other brass owners have done.

[Pell99]

I sent an email to senter. I hope the problem is solved.

[//gainsborough]

Did you do any polishing for your weights to get the scratches out? I'm still waiting for my kit to arrive, but I'm curious what the other brass owners have done.

Didn't do anything to mine.  I'm alright with the worn-down look, personally.  I mainly upgraded to brass for the extra weight - I can always polish the brass at a later time if it starts to bother me at all.

Top case CNC machining has an error.
What should I do? 

Do you have a picture?  How bad is it?

[Pell99]

Did you do any polishing for your weights to get the scratches out? I'm still waiting for my kit to arrive, but I'm curious what the other brass owners have done.

Didn't do anything to mine.  I'm alright with the worn-down look, personally.  I mainly upgraded to brass for the extra weight - I can always polish the brass at a later time if it starts to bother me at all.

Top case CNC machining has an error.
What should I do? 

Do you have a picture?  How bad is it?

top case overall is bad. I do not know the exact name, cutting finish is not uniform throughout.



+I received a positive email. I hope this problem will be solved well.

[vtachkov]

Still working on polishing the brass, need to buy some more sandpaper this weekend. Despite that, overall I'm pretty happy with the result. I don't even see the brass anyways, and the thing feels like a tank. Using JTK WoB with HKP mods until I can get my hands on GMK red Samurai.

[senter]

Updates on after-sale service:

Replacements and missing parts reported to me/zFrontier before CNY have all been shipped out by zFrontier. edit: Please contact zFrontier if you need a tracking number.

[Vigrith]

Updates on after-sale service:

Replacements and missing parts reported to me/zFrontier before CNY have all been shipped out by zFrontier. edit: Please contact zFrontier if you need a tracking number.

So is this the time (pun, hurrhurr) to pressure you into having a round 2 at some point? Can be in a year or two for all I care, I just want one! 

[tanvir175]

Updates on after-sale service:

Replacements and missing parts reported to me/zFrontier before CNY have all been shipped out by zFrontier. edit: Please contact zFrontier if you need a tracking number.

So is this the time (pun, hurrhurr) to pressure you into having a round 2 at some point? Can be in a year or two for all I care, I just want one! 

Seconded!

[vtachkov]

Updates on after-sale service:

Replacements and missing parts reported to me/zFrontier before CNY have all been shipped out by zFrontier. edit: Please contact zFrontier if you need a tracking number.

I received the tracking from DHL. Thanks again Senter for taking care of us

[lovetree]

Still waitng for my Time TKL to be shipped...

[senter]

Still waitng for my Time TKL to be shipped...

 

didn't know you are missing parts as well. It should be on the way to you tho.

I always take care of familiar faces first but I didn't know one of those order numbers belongs to you.

Ask zFrontier for the tracking number. Feel free to PM me with any other problems.

[trikoi00]

Finished building mine. Sorry for potato pics

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[vtachkov]

I received the replacement brass bars last night. Top bar is the replacement, bottom is the original. There's still a faint line that you can see, but it looks like this time they bead blasted the piece as all of the machining marks are gone. It's practically perfect!  Thank you Senter for your amazing customer service. I can't wait for the Orange 75%

[senter]

I received the replacement brass bars last night. Top bar is the replacement, bottom is the original. There's still a faint line that you can see, but it looks like this time they bead blasted the piece as all of the machining marks are gone. It's practically perfect!  Thank you Senter for your amazing customer service. I can't wait for the Orange 75%

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Hi vtachkov, actually I really want to thank you for your request of customer service.

1. Thanks for your optimistic. You gave me a positive comment at the start of your email, which encouraged me a lot.
2. Thank for your forgiving. You mentioned the effort you made for fixing the messes we fxxked up. Sometimes we do make mistakes, while we'll try our best to solve them, I really appreciate you were being flexible and would like to cooperate.
3. Thanks for your grateful. We spent a lot of money on the founder editions' gifts, when we can choose a much cheaper one. Most buyers just take it as a sure thing but you expressed your gratitude.

Unfortunately not everyone one was like you. I'm VERY sensitive to people's comments so that I was under a lot of pressure after the "brass parts drama". At least 3 or 4 people keep bad mousing on me, some are buyers some are even not. Why not ask me for solutions before bad mouthing on the brass parts? Where come the negative comments even you're not a part of this group buy? Some other buyers were just rude and troublesome to communicate. They keep messaging me for questions I explained in the post, asking for additional compensations that I can't provide, sending tons of photos on discord for a scratch around screw hole, sending multiple same emails in one day. I was deeply depressed, especially after accidents in real life at the same time. I wasn't even dare to watch Topclack or search on mechkeys because I was afraid of unpleasant comments. There were several times I really want to quite Fox Lab, or even this community. Keyboards is just a hobby to me, not my business.

I'm very grateful for those who encouraged me when I was down, for those good buyers like you. It was my pleasure to communicate with you for solving all your problems. You were a gentleman and I try my best to solve gentlemen's problems. Oh, keep that in mind, old customers always get discount/gifts if they buy again. I'll SPECIALLY take care of your order if you join again in the future.

BTW, here are some [url＝https://imgur.com/a/ktiLr]photos[/url] of the brass parts polished by myself. You can compare them with your parts. Have fun with your board.

[tanvir175]

I received the replacement brass bars last night. Top bar is the replacement, bottom is the original. There's still a faint line that you can see, but it looks like this time they bead blasted the piece as all of the machining marks are gone. It's practically perfect!  Thank you Senter for your amazing customer service. I can't wait for the Orange 75%

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Hi vtachkov, actually I really want to thank you for your request of customer service.

1. Thanks for your optimistic. You gave me a positive comment at the start of your email, which encouraged me a lot.
2. Thank for your forgiving. You mentioned the effort you made for fixing the messes we fxxked up. Sometimes we do make mistakes, while we'll try our best to solve them, I really appreciate you were being flexible and would like to cooperate.
3. Thanks for your grateful. We spent a lot of money on the founder editions' gifts, when we can choose a much cheaper one. Most buyers just take it as a sure thing but you expressed your gratitude.

Unfortunately not everyone one was like you. I'm VERY sensitive to people's comments so that I was under a lot of pressure after the "brass parts drama". At least 3 or 4 people keep bad mousing on me, some are buyers some are even not. Why not ask me for solutions before bad mouthing on the brass parts? Where come the negative comments even you're not a part of this group buy? Some other buyers were just rude and troublesome to communicate. They keep messaging me for questions I explained in the post, asking for additional compensations that I can't provide, sending tons of photos on discord for a scratch around screw hole, sending multiple same emails in one day. I was deeply depressed, especially after accidents in real life at the same time. I wasn't even dare to watch Topclack or search on mechkeys because I was afraid of unpleasant comments. There were several times I really want to quite Fox Lab, or even this community. Keyboards is just a hobby to me, not my business.

I'm very grateful for those who encouraged me when I was down, for those good buyers like you. It was my pleasure to communicate with you for solving all your problems. You were a gentleman and I try my best to solve gentlemen's problems. Oh, keep that in mind, old customers always get discount/gifts if they buy again. I'll SPECIALLY take care of your order if you join again in the future.

BTW, here are some [url＝https://imgur.com/a/ktiLr]photos[/url] of the brass parts polished by myself. You can compare them with your parts. Have fun with your board.

Ignore the haters man. **** happens and from what I've read through this thread, you've taken care of any mistakes that were made. While I understand the reason for frustration, people just jump straight to taking their frustrations out on other people, in the worst, because they don't know how to cope with it.

[trikoi00]

I received the replacement brass bars last night. Top bar is the replacement, bottom is the original. There's still a faint line that you can see, but it looks like this time they bead blasted the piece as all of the machining marks are gone. It's practically perfect!  Thank you Senter for your amazing customer service. I can't wait for the Orange 75%

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Hi vtachkov, actually I really want to thank you for your request of customer service.

1. Thanks for your optimistic. You gave me a positive comment at the start of your email, which encouraged me a lot.
2. Thank for your forgiving. You mentioned the effort you made for fixing the messes we fxxked up. Sometimes we do make mistakes, while we'll try our best to solve them, I really appreciate you were being flexible and would like to cooperate.
3. Thanks for your grateful. We spent a lot of money on the founder editions' gifts, when we can choose a much cheaper one. Most buyers just take it as a sure thing but you expressed your gratitude.

Unfortunately not everyone one was like you. I'm VERY sensitive to people's comments so that I was under a lot of pressure after the "brass parts drama". At least 3 or 4 people keep bad mousing on me, some are buyers some are even not. Why not ask me for solutions before bad mouthing on the brass parts? Where come the negative comments even you're not a part of this group buy? Some other buyers were just rude and troublesome to communicate. They keep messaging me for questions I explained in the post, asking for additional compensations that I can't provide, sending tons of photos on discord for a scratch around screw hole, sending multiple same emails in one day. I was deeply depressed, especially after accidents in real life at the same time. I wasn't even dare to watch Topclack or search on mechkeys because I was afraid of unpleasant comments. There were several times I really want to quite Fox Lab, or even this community. Keyboards is just a hobby to me, not my business.

I'm very grateful for those who encouraged me when I was down, for those good buyers like you. It was my pleasure to communicate with you for solving all your problems. You were a gentleman and I try my best to solve gentlemen's problems. Oh, keep that in mind, old customers always get discount/gifts if they buy again. I'll SPECIALLY take care of your order if you join again in the future.

BTW, here are some [url＝https://imgur.com/a/ktiLr]photos[/url] of the brass parts polished by myself. You can compare them with your parts. Have fun with your board.

Ignore the haters man. **** happens and from what I've read through this thread, you've taken care of any mistakes that were made. While I understand the reason for frustration, people just jump straight to taking their frustrations out on other people, in the worst, because they don't know how to cope with it.

Well said Tanvir, I saw the brass replacement parts. That was really some customer aftersales service. Zeals stab were included in founders edition. That a really sweet gesture. Senter, I still hate myself for missing your first GB. Your post reminded me too. Thanks again for the gift. It really brighten my day.

[Jimmare]

So is this the time (pun, hurrhurr) to pressure you into having a round 2 at some point? Can be in a year or two for all I care, I just want one! 

I dont really care if we get the same thing or something in these lines,but damn,makes you feel REALLY bad not being on this GB.

Yo senter,is there any chance you might do something like this in the near future?

[klennkellon]

Just finished mine!!  Super happy with it! 

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My babies!

[le_wraith]

I am still waiting for replacement parts and have no idea when or if  to expect them or how to get them. I have sent Z frontier probably a dozen emails about it and they say they have not been able to get responses from you. Maybe people would badmouth you less if you communicated better and more frequently.

I received the replacement brass bars last night. Top bar is the replacement, bottom is the original. There's still a faint line that you can see, but it looks like this time they bead blasted the piece as all of the machining marks are gone. It's practically perfect!  Thank you Senter for your amazing customer service. I can't wait for the Orange 75%

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Hi vtachkov, actually I really want to thank you for your request of customer service.

1. Thanks for your optimistic. You gave me a positive comment at the start of your email, which encouraged me a lot.
2. Thank for your forgiving. You mentioned the effort you made for fixing the messes we fxxked up. Sometimes we do make mistakes, while we'll try our best to solve them, I really appreciate you were being flexible and would like to cooperate.
3. Thanks for your grateful. We spent a lot of money on the founder editions' gifts, when we can choose a much cheaper one. Most buyers just take it as a sure thing but you expressed your gratitude.

Unfortunately not everyone one was like you. I'm VERY sensitive to people's comments so that I was under a lot of pressure after the "brass parts drama". At least 3 or 4 people keep bad mousing on me, some are buyers some are even not. Why not ask me for solutions before bad mouthing on the brass parts? Where come the negative comments even you're not a part of this group buy? Some other buyers were just rude and troublesome to communicate. They keep messaging me for questions I explained in the post, asking for additional compensations that I can't provide, sending tons of photos on discord for a scratch around screw hole, sending multiple same emails in one day. I was deeply depressed, especially after accidents in real life at the same time. I wasn't even dare to watch Topclack or search on mechkeys because I was afraid of unpleasant comments. There were several times I really want to quite Fox Lab, or even this community. Keyboards is just a hobby to me, not my business.

I'm very grateful for those who encouraged me when I was down, for those good buyers like you. It was my pleasure to communicate with you for solving all your problems. You were a gentleman and I try my best to solve gentlemen's problems. Oh, keep that in mind, old customers always get discount/gifts if they buy again. I'll SPECIALLY take care of your order if you join again in the future.

BTW, here are some [url＝https://imgur.com/a/ktiLr]photos[/url] of the brass parts polished by myself. You can compare them with your parts. Have fun with your board.

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

[alisonica]

Hey I'm waiting on replacement parts too.

I am still waiting for replacement parts and have no idea when or if  to expect them or how to get them. I have sent Z frontier probably a dozen emails about it and they say they have not been able to get responses from you. Maybe people would badmouth you less if you communicated better and more frequently.

I received the replacement brass bars last night. Top bar is the replacement, bottom is the original. There's still a faint line that you can see, but it looks like this time they bead blasted the piece as all of the machining marks are gone. It's practically perfect!  Thank you Senter for your amazing customer service. I can't wait for the Orange 75%

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Hi vtachkov, actually I really want to thank you for your request of customer service.

1. Thanks for your optimistic. You gave me a positive comment at the start of your email, which encouraged me a lot.
2. Thank for your forgiving. You mentioned the effort you made for fixing the messes we fxxked up. Sometimes we do make mistakes, while we'll try our best to solve them, I really appreciate you were being flexible and would like to cooperate.
3. Thanks for your grateful. We spent a lot of money on the founder editions' gifts, when we can choose a much cheaper one. Most buyers just take it as a sure thing but you expressed your gratitude.

Unfortunately not everyone one was like you. I'm VERY sensitive to people's comments so that I was under a lot of pressure after the "brass parts drama". At least 3 or 4 people keep bad mousing on me, some are buyers some are even not. Why not ask me for solutions before bad mouthing on the brass parts? Where come the negative comments even you're not a part of this group buy? Some other buyers were just rude and troublesome to communicate. They keep messaging me for questions I explained in the post, asking for additional compensations that I can't provide, sending tons of photos on discord for a scratch around screw hole, sending multiple same emails in one day. I was deeply depressed, especially after accidents in real life at the same time. I wasn't even dare to watch Topclack or search on mechkeys because I was afraid of unpleasant comments. There were several times I really want to quite Fox Lab, or even this community. Keyboards is just a hobby to me, not my business.

I'm very grateful for those who encouraged me when I was down, for those good buyers like you. It was my pleasure to communicate with you for solving all your problems. You were a gentleman and I try my best to solve gentlemen's problems. Oh, keep that in mind, old customers always get discount/gifts if they buy again. I'll SPECIALLY take care of your order if you join again in the future.

BTW, here are some [url＝https://imgur.com/a/ktiLr]photos[/url] of the brass parts polished by myself. You can compare them with your parts. Have fun with your board.

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

[KaosJ]

Got mine today and ... woah
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Is your bottom made of alu? Looks perfect 

[Egobean]

OOooOOO love this color scheme

[DukeEsquire]

I heard that there was a R2 of this board. Any truth to that?

[Puddsy]

I heard that there was a R2 of this board. Any truth to that?

if there was i never saw it

[prangano]

senter mentioned it on the key65 thread and on Instagram comments

[Dennyroxsox]

That being said, I do plan to run a group buy for Time 80% in the near future. The concept is the same but all the details have been improved. It will be a totally different Time. I'll IC it and collect feedbacks soon.

copied here for ya

[DukeEsquire]

Ah, thanks guys.

My brother is a big watch collector and I'm trying to track down a Time TKL for a gift.

[Angelsin]

Dear buyers in Time TKL group buy,

Some one have already received messages from DHL and should will receive the keyboard in this week.

At this moment I'd like to say thank you all for your support in this group buy.

Time TKL is the second keyboard we developed. It's a little crazy, yet special.
It's so special that not everyone like, but I'm glad I made it happen because you like it and joined the group buy.

Many buyers in Orange TKL group buy also joined this one. I'm so glad that I gain your trust.

Special thanks to zFrontier. They were very professional and patient through all the phases in this group buy and make sure everything goes well.

There are also three unexpected issues in the gb/keyboard.

• The secret gift for founder editions we intended to give were custom-made desk mats. We changed our mind at last because of lack of time. The final secret gifts are not so special but are pricier than the original one.
• The brass weights were planned to be electroplated. However, the factory found that the small brass parts will be burnt to black with normal electroplating. We decided to only polish the brass surface lightly and keep the raw brass parts as is. You can compare the electroplated brass and raw brass small parts. If your brass parts are oxidized in the future, the recommended treatment for them are applying a mixture of lemon juice + baking soda. You can also contact me if you’re not satisfied with the brass parts.
• The design of top case is a little lack of consideration that the assembled plate is pretty difficult to be screwed in the top case. You'll need to find the correct angle to put together the plate and top case, which is tricky. A easy way to solve this problem is to solder switches while the plate is attached to the top case.

At last, we'll be responsible for all possible problems. Feel free to ask me if you get any problems. My email address is runninghack[at]gmail[dot]com. Joining our discord channel is also an easy way to find me.

January 24, 2018
Senter

Can we get another link to the discord that doesn't expire?