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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #550 on: Tue, 23 October 2012, 20:05:35 »
My plate will be clear acrylic so the color will be visible to me :-)

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #551 on: Tue, 23 October 2012, 22:54:29 »
Great work! I missed great progress of this project these days.

Number of this prototype PCB will be 10? If so, I guess extra still is available.
I'll take a set out of its extra if my purchase mitigates your expense of prototyping.


So we have 8 people now:
komar007
jdcarpe
kmiller8
TheProfosist
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lysol
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I think I'll order with matte black soldermask. Should look nice.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #552 on: Tue, 23 October 2012, 23:31:23 »
oh what the heck, i'll be a tester too if there's room. I don't know a lot, but the only way i'll actually learn is by doing.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #553 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 00:15:33 »
Wow, even more prototypes.
This is starting to look more like the actual group buy. What if they don't work? :D
Ok, it seems I'll have to recheck everything once again.

Great work! I missed great progress of this project these days.

Number of this prototype PCB will be 10? If so, I guess extra still is available.
I'll take a set out of its extra if my purchase mitigates your expense of prototyping.
I'll order as many as necessary

Anyway:
komar007
jdcarpe
kmiller8
TheProfosist
WhiteFireDragon
lysol
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Index
hasu
kravlin
engicoder
modulor
tipo33
TheQsanity
mkawa_

There are 11 12 13 14 15 16, so I went for ENIG instead of HASL.

I know I've written this many times, but the thread is getting long and some people might loose track:
* Everyone on the list is getting a PCB (which at the current number of people ordering should be made in the same technology as the final product) and a full set of parts.
* You are required to solder all the components yourself or ask someone else.
* If you don't want the parts, write to me before paying.
* The set comes with no warranty. Although the probability that it won't work at all is rather low, the reason for prototyping is to fix errors, including the bad ones. If you're concerned about the correctness of the prototype, you can download the project and take a look, maybe you'll spot bugs before production (https://github.com/komar007/ghkb).
* You're not required to become a beta tester and report errors by buying the prototype, but it would be nice to do so.
* The cost of this prototype is $41 + shipping.
* Shipping to the US is $8-$10, to be split among US buyers. US distribution is up to you.
* Shipping to Japan should be about $11.
« Last Edit: Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:55:22 by komar007 »
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #554 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 01:33:47 »
I thought 10 was Minimum Order Quantity of this PCB prototyping, I guess 11 is enough for prototyping. My intention is that you should not pay alone for the risk too much.

I'm sure I want to share the risk of  this prospective and immature product with you!
* The set comes with no warranty. Although the probability that it won't work at all is rather low, the reason for prototyping is to fix errors, including the bad ones. If you're concerned about the correctness of the prototype, you can download the project and take a look, maybe you'll spot bugs before production (https://github.com/komar007/ghkb).

No problem. I know that Japan is furthest country from anywhere :p
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* Shipping to Japan should be about $11.

And I'll be happy to work on firmware of GH64 with you guys!

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #555 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 04:53:16 »
Coming along nicely! I haven't posted here for a while but I've been reading it once or twice a day. Amazing work so far, everyone that's involved :D

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #556 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 07:24:30 »
There must be some deadline or this will never end...
Let's say today evening (11 pm, 24 October 2012, CEST) is the deadline to be added or removed from the list.
After that, I'll send you payment instructions.

I've just found one missing trace in the pcb, so I'll go check everything else now.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #557 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 07:30:31 »
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* Shipping to the US is $8-$10, to be split among US buyers. US distribution is up to you.
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If noone else will volunteer I'll gladly handle US distribution.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #558 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 07:36:55 »
WhiteFireDragon has already voluneered, since he will also solder some of the kits.
But thanks for the proposition anyway;)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #559 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 07:41:03 »
WhiteFireDragon has already voluneered, since he will also solder some of the kits.
But thanks for the proposition anyway;)

Oh, I read over that. My bad.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #560 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 07:59:18 »
Just wanted to pop my head in and say that I am following this thread with great interest as well. I am interested in jumping in on the prototype, because I like to tinker and am an AVR freak. I have a hot air station, so the soldering doesn't scare me, but I was wondering about what others will do about the switches...
   

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #561 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 08:00:44 »
Oops...I was unclear...I meant about sourcing them...I don't know what, where or how.
   

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #562 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 08:03:49 »
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #563 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 08:07:43 »
engicoder, should I put you on the list?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #564 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 08:18:26 »
LOL....well, thats just too obvious. I check the various sources and none seem to have browns or reds...MX1A-G1xx
Looks like blacks or blues, maybe clears.
   

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #565 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 08:18:59 »
Yes, add me to the list please!
   

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #566 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 08:19:45 »
Check around the forum here and Deskthority, IIRC there is someone selling red/blues/green/greys/blacks for $.60/ea Plate mount or $.80/ea PCB mount

EDIT: http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html <- claims to have stock
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #567 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 08:23:37 »
LOL....well, thats just too obvious. I check the various sources and none seem to have browns or reds...MX1A-G1xx
Looks like blacks or blues, maybe clears.
7bit still has some leftovers from the last group buy: http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760-360.html
« Last Edit: Wed, 24 October 2012, 08:25:31 by komar007 »
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #568 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 09:33:52 »
You can always get a refurb CM Storm QuickFire Rapid for $50 and harvest the 87 blue switches from it. Or look on eBay for other used MX switch boards, such as the Compaq MX 11800, etc. and harvest switches from them.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #569 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 09:44:59 »
You can always get a refurb CM Storm QuickFire Rapid for $50 and harvest the 87 blue switches from it. Or look on eBay for other used MX switch boards, such as the Compaq MX 11800, etc. and harvest switches from them.

I have ~180 brown stems if anyone wants to buy them cheap (if you don't like blues)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #570 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 09:49:13 »
Marclgw also is selling new PCB Mount switches for $.60/ea, but only Red/Blue/Brown/Clear

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36337

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #571 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 10:22:29 »
I'd like to be added to the prototype list if possible.  I saw you posted that WhiteFireDragon will be handling US distribution -  if I need assistance with the SMD parts, should I contact him ahead of time?

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #572 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 11:12:15 »
I have loads of browns, if anyone needs some switches for $.20 each.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #573 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 11:48:00 »
Sure I do. Do you want to pay for prototype in switches?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #574 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 11:53:42 »
I could certainly do that if you like. Would work well for me.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #575 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 20:27:10 »
Is it too late to gen in on a prototype PCB?  If not I'll just wait for the final product.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #576 on: Wed, 24 October 2012, 22:20:42 »
You have a Filco Zero Ski? WTF? When did this happen?

Sorry for the derailment.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #577 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 00:07:54 »
I can only assume the inquires about my browns mostly spawned from my post in this thread, so I will just update the quantity here. I currently have 213 available loose and ready to ship, with up to 240 more when I get around to desoldering them.
Those that have dibs on whatever they need first
komar007
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then anyone else on prototype list, then any others.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #578 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 01:13:31 »
Is it too late to gen in on a prototype PCB?  If not I'll just wait for the final product.
I was going to order yesterday, but I didn't, so I'll add you.

I can only assume the inquires about my browns mostly spawned from my post in this thread, so I will just update the quantity here. I currently have 213 available loose and ready to ship, with up to 240 more when I get around to desoldering them.
Those that have dibs on whatever they need first
komar007
whitefiredragon
engicoder

then anyone else on prototype list, then any others.


Not sure how many you reserved for me, but I was thinking something like 120. That should cover the prototype and shipping to me. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #579 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 02:13:42 »
If the Price is right(looks like it will be), I am in too. :)

Edit: F-keys anyone?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #580 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:41:28 »
Do you have experience in using paypal for money collection?
I've read about accounts being locked during round 4, I know it's much less money here, but still I'm concerned.
Which option is safer: gift or goods?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #581 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:48:29 »
Not on a large scale, but others who have run GBs before may be able to give you a head's up of what's risky.  I would say it's reasonable and safer to go with Goods - I don't mind factoring the 3% Paypal Fee (and I'd imagine others wouldn't either).  I'm not sure of the limitations Paypal enforces that would cause an account to be locked, though.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #582 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:51:35 »
services is probably safest. if asked, describe your services as prototyping and kitting.

if it's not too late, i'd like a board. i also have a few hundred extra switches lying around if you need some asap komat

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #583 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:52:51 »
also, ifthis is single layer, have you tried etching a copy komar? this is pretty high volume for a proto

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #584 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:52:54 »
Goods is safer (than gift), but you must mark it as shipped within a few days.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #585 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:59:57 »
Thanks mkawa_, I'll add you to the list.
As for switches, I'm already buying browns from lysol and I have some reds from 7bit, so this should be enough.


No, I haven't tried (it's double layer), there were supposed to be 4 boards, which then made sense for a prototype. Now it's 16:).
On the other hand there isn't much that can go wrong here. Hopefully.
I was amazed too that so many people wanted it, but it's also a good chance to get the first GH60s cheaper, as they will be more expensive when they're factory assembled, even though the volume will be higher.
The only disadvantage is it might not work:)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #586 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 16:15:42 »
It would be nice to make some gold plated geekhack logo as well as GH60 logo to put on the board.
Do you think I can uses images from here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=16022.0?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #587 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 16:24:18 »
It would be nice to make some gold plated geekhack logo as well as GH60 logo to put on the board.
Do you think I can uses images from here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=16022.0?
I plan to get WASD to put it on my spacebar just like I did for my Phantoms

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #588 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 16:29:15 »
I was thinking just on the back side of the pcb so far;)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #589 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 16:32:03 »
Actually if the prototype board works that spacebar will probably say GH60 Proto or something to that respect

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #590 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 16:42:27 »
Cool;)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #591 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 16:43:05 »
How many of these boards will be made? how many Prototypes will be made? Is there a price difference between them?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #592 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 16:48:44 »
As many as the number of people who want them +1.
I'll send information about payments very soon.
How many of these boards will be made? how many Prototypes will be made? Is there a price difference between them?
I'm hoping to make about 50 final boards. The final boards will be more expensive, because of smd assembly.
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« Reply #593 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 17:02:52 »
I'm definitely interested in a final board, as I'm about 85% certain I want to have a 60% clear spring board, I just suck at QA and being a beta tester.

Plus this will give me reason to buy moar keycap sets. 

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« Reply #594 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 17:06:47 »
As many as the number of people who want them +1.
I'll send information about payments very soon.
How many of these boards will be made? how many Prototypes will be made? Is there a price difference between them?
I'm hoping to make about 50 final boards. The final boards will be more expensive, because of smd assembly.

Do you have a rough estimate off the top of your head what that difference would be?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #595 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 17:08:08 »
Sorry, no idea. I don't want to give estimates, so that I don't have to change them later.
Okay, I was aiming at $50 tag at the beginning, but I know it may be hard, mainly because of high assembly costs. We'll see.
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« Reply #596 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 17:12:26 »
Sorry, no idea. I don't want to give estimates, so that I don't have to change them later.
Okay, I was aiming at $50 tag at the beginning, but I know it may be hard, mainly because of high assembly costs. We'll see.

Sounds like you are doing some good work. Thanks for the info!
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #597 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 17:38:01 »
"Invoices" sent.
If you wanted a prototype and didn't get a PM, write to me.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #598 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 17:41:51 »
I think it will be closer to 100+ final boards sold. Perhaps we can get the price of the PCB and plate combo close to $50 at that volume. If someone wants to crank out 100 CNC milled aluminum or stainless cases for these, we could have a final product that is only missing switches and stabilizers. One can only hope. :D
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #599 on: Thu, 25 October 2012, 17:43:22 »
And a case and keycaps;)
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