GH60 Keyboard Project

[The_Beast]

DEMIKBEAR!

WAT!?!?!?!?

[komar007]

I'm not sure so I'll ask:

if the bottom row is 1.5 1 1.5 spacebar 1.5 1 1.5, then the spacebar will be 7 unit right?

Yes

[TheProfosist]

Beast care to make a case for my crazy layout?

[The_Beast]

If I have time. School is starting to break my balls with group projects, research papers and I like to volunteer when I can.


I make no promisses but if I have time after doing my "model m" case, I'll hit you up

[TheProfosist]

Well it shouldnt be much different as the model m version just minus the flaps to cover the unused spots

[The_Beast]

Well it shouldnt be much different as the model m version just minus the flaps to cover the unused spots

Ohh, ok. That shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to change

[TheProfosist]

Well ill post the layout to be sure but the plates going to be different and i prefer standard bottom row.

[mkawa]

DEMIKBEAR!

WAT!?!?!?!?

DEMIK

BEAR


!!?!>!!?>

[kravlin]

Does anyone know where I could pick up a 7 unit spacebar for testing once the prototype comes in? I have the caps/switches for everything else, but finding one of those is more difficult and I'm really not feeling like buying a whole keyboard for a single spacebar.

[The_Beast]

DEMIKBEAR!

WAT!?!?!?!?

DEMIK

BEAR


!!?!>!!?>

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME?!?!?!?!?!

[komar007]

Does anyone know where I could pick up a 7 unit spacebar for testing once the prototype comes in? I have the caps/switches for everything else, but finding one of those is more difficult and I'm really not feeling like buying a whole keyboard for a single spacebar.

http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/doubleshot-replacements-round-4-t1376-2910.html#p80676
Here.

[kravlin]

http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/doubleshot-replacements-round-4-t1376-2910.html#p80676
Here.

That would do it. Thanks!

[mkawa]

tsangan may or may not have more spacebars than the flying spaghetti monster, and they're all ready to ship out, unlike r4

[boost]

TL;DR

Can the standard ansi right shift be used instead of the 1800+fn key?


I also want a prototype

[modulor]

TL;DR

Can the standard ansi right shift be used instead of the 1800+fn key?


I also want a prototype

Yup, it can handle pretty much any alpha/num area layout imaginable in terms of modifiers.

[boost]

TL;DR

Can the standard ansi right shift be used instead of the 1800+fn key?


I also want a prototype

Yup, it can handle pretty much any alpha/num area layout imaginable in terms of modifiers.

Thanks for the super quick answer =)

[komar007]

TL;DR

Can the standard ansi right shift be used instead of the 1800+fn key?


I also want a prototype

Sorry, the prototype list is closed.
But I'm ordering some more pcbs, so if everything goes well, you can get one later.

[OrangeJewce]

Hey all,

What firmware is being used for the layouts? I might not be able to commit to it right now with work on the eDox UI still under construction, but maybe you would want something similar for this project (assuming the underlying firmware supports it). That is, a UI to handle editing of the layout of the keyboard?

Cheers,

[komar007]

There will be a GUI to set the layout in runtime. Any help will be appreciated;)
As for firmware I have a custom base for it and I'll implement a layout model with layers and much more, hopefully.

[Lorem-Ipsum]

There will be a GUI to set the layout in runtime. Any help will be appreciated;)
As for firmware I have a custom base for it and I'll implement a layout model with layers and much more, hopefully.

I do hope that this will be multi platform as I use Linux and FreeBSD.

[kravlin]

There will be a GUI to set the layout in runtime. Any help will be appreciated;)
As for firmware I have a custom base for it and I'll implement a layout model with layers and much more, hopefully.

I do hope that this will be multi platform as I use Linux and FreeBSD.

If there isn't a multi-platform solution I'm sure someone could write one (I'd be willing to try, but I'm a complete noob and know NOTHING about how to program a keyboard (even though I can program), no better way to learn than to try though, right?)

[salmo]

I might be able to help with that part once we see it.

[OrangeJewce]

There will be a GUI to set the layout in runtime. Any help will be appreciated;)
As for firmware I have a custom base for it and I'll implement a layout model with layers and much more, hopefully.

I'm not sure what you mean, how do you plan on doing this without flashing the micro controller directly? Are you doing a Java UI? or something Platform specific? To be completely open, I only do Windows UI programming.

Loren:
Strike my initial comments. There is a way *cough* java *cough*, but that's not something I'd like to do.

Cheers,

[komar007]

For UI I was considering Java/swing and C++/Qt. Or maybe python/Qt.
The micro will be flashed once and later only the layout will be updated and self-programmed through the bootloader API using a separate raw HID descriptor.
Part of this already works;)

[mkawa]

java runtimes are unfortunately a mess right now. i'd say python is the way to go, with either the pygtk or pyqt bindings. imo pygtk is cleanest right now but i don't deal with this stuff day in day out so if there are any experts out there pipe up

komar, how do you get flash access to the micro with your board layout? the micro needs to be user flashable regardless of whether the layout can be written via a HID driver

[nebo]

I still might be able to help with the UI stuff if needed. I just switched jobs and it has a heavy ramp up not to mention me moving so for the next month or so there is no way (and then the holidays ) but I don't think we're that pressed for time yet.

As for interface, if we want multi-platform I was reading in to it and really Java/swing would still be "easiest" but c++/qt would work. I just don't think it needs to be super fancy or all that "holy **** I need this so fast and responsive" so and swing lets you have a lot of stuff for free. Just my opinion though.

[TheProfosist]

Here is the layout that I have planned





Looking for a stainless case for the final model probably going to go with a cardboard one for the proto

[komar007]

java runtimes are unfortunately a mess right now. i'd say python is the way to go, with either the pygtk or pyqt bindings. imo pygtk is cleanest right now but i don't deal with this stuff day in day out so if there are any experts out there pipe up

komar, how do you get flash access to the micro with your board layout? the micro needs to be user flashable regardless of whether the layout can be written via a HID driver

The micro can be flashed using stock DFU bootloader.
And yes, gtk is an option too. I actually prefer it, but I don't know how well it integrates with windows.

[nebo]

java runtimes are unfortunately a mess right now. i'd say python is the way to go, with either the pygtk or pyqt bindings. imo pygtk is cleanest right now but i don't deal with this stuff day in day out so if there are any experts out there pipe up

komar, how do you get flash access to the micro with your board layout? the micro needs to be user flashable regardless of whether the layout can be written via a HID driver

The micro can be flashed using stock DFU bootloader.
And yes, gtk is an option too. I actually prefer it, but I don't know how well it integrates with windows.

The GIMP uses GTK+ if I remember right, even on Windows.

[mkawa]

gtkwin works well. pidgin, gimp and several other large projects use the bindings pretty extensively, so it's unlikely to give anyone fits

[OrangeJewce]

Alright, I might have to pass the torch if you go that route then. Java is a poor option. Python probably would be better, but hey I'm no expert.

Cheers,

[IvanIvanovich]

I don't really know much about gtk+, but it looks like it just needs to be compiled into an exe via mingw. Since Sun dosen't seem to do anything about java being a broken mess of security threat, it not even on my machines anymore. I think I would prefer it being not java too.

[The_Beast]

I have no idea what anyone has been talking about in this whole page. I'll I want it to do is have multiple layers, hardware programmable buttons, works with Windows and a nice GUI if at all possible.

[mkawa]

I don't really know much about gtk+, but it looks like it just needs to be compiled into an exe via mingw. Since Sun dosen't seem to do anything about java being a broken mess of security threat, it not even on my machines anymore. I think I would prefer it being not java too.

ORACLE, SIR

[IvanIvanovich]

Right, I keep forgetting. Either way...

[komar007]

Each time I want to send this PCB project I find something else I can do better...
I think it's time to stop.

[nebo]

Right, I keep forgetting. Either way...

Either way, I'm in to help depending on when the work is done. Java/C++/Python, I don't care, code is code.

[SmallFry]

Send it to get prototyped! We can fix outstanding things for the final PCB. Great work and I can't wait for the group buy/files to be released, since I might not be able to afford the GB, thus I can get the parts later via the files, if need be.

Thanks again for your work Komar!

[mkawa]

Each time I want to send this PCB project I find something else I can do better...
I think it's time to stop.

we can wait komar, if you need some rerouting time. just submit for a netlist review before you send to press

god knows alaric has nothing better to do... HAH!

[komar007]

Okay.
This is what I consider final.

The kicad files are already pushed to the repo.

[mkawa]

__red__, can you and your script take a quick look?

[SmallFry]

Mmmmm Gerber files. Thanks Komar!

[__red__]

__red__, can you and your script take a quick look?

NOt until tomorrow at work.  The last version looked good as far as schematic -> PCB went.  I don't know enough about the hardware side of MX keyboards (stabilizers et al) to comment.  I'll be reviewing the schematic tomorrow.



Red

[OrangeJewce]

I have no idea what anyone has been talking about in this whole page. I'll I want it to do is have multiple layers, hardware programmable buttons, works with Windows and a nice GUI if at all possible.

If it's done in python I'm sure something passable can be thought up. I'll just have to wait and see what comes out in terms of firmware. Regardless, I'm sure the features you want will be available.

Cheers,

[SmallFry]

I have no idea what anyone has been talking about in this whole page. I'll I want it to do is have multiple layers, hardware programmable buttons, works with Windows and a nice GUI if at all possible.

If it's done in python I'm sure something passable can be thought up. I'll just have to wait and see what comes out in terms of firmware. Regardless, I'm sure the features you want will be available.

Cheers,

LoL. "Something passable"

[The_Beast]

I have no idea what anyone has been talking about in this whole page. I'll I want it to do is have multiple layers, hardware programmable buttons, works with Windows and a nice GUI if at all possible.

If it's done in python I'm sure something passable can be thought up. I'll just have to wait and see what comes out in terms of firmware. Regardless, I'm sure the features you want will be available.

Cheers,

I don't mind editing text to change keys, as long as someone gives me some kind a direction to start from. A GUI would make it easier for those of us who are not software inclined.

[TheProfosist]

For me i just need the layout setup once maybe twice if i need a slight change.

[nebo]

I have no idea what anyone has been talking about in this whole page. I'll I want it to do is have multiple layers, hardware programmable buttons, works with Windows and a nice GUI if at all possible.

Cheers,

LoL. "Something passable"

That's what I'm thinking. If I do this I have no idea where to start because I've never even seen what is expected out of a GUI for this so I fully intend to hack it to hell and back. If anyone has some idea of what they want it might be best to post ITT w/ pictures or sketches.
If it's done in python I'm sure something passable can be thought up. I'll just have to wait and see what comes out in terms of firmware. Regardless, I'm sure the features you want will be available.

[komar007]

Yes, you just have to wait;)
We need working hardware first.

[JBert]

I'm interested as long as the ISO 1.25 Winkey PCB + Plate goes through.

BTW: what bootloader are you putting on those Atmels, or do we still need to program them and solder it to the PCB upon arrival?