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Title: [IC] Hawking48 — *on pause for a lil; come back in a few months*
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 17 June 2019, 22:57:05


Important –

sry bb but this board has taken a pretty wild backseat while I pursue other projects like Austin, Nord, and Cygnus. I'll drop a huge update when I come back to it in a few months, tho. I definitely intend to run Hawking48, just not right now :)






(https://i.imgur.com/ZEN75NI.jpg)

/) hi geekhack

I think it's time the ortho crowd gets some attention. What say y'all to a gasket-mounted 40%?

     Features

  •  6061-T6 aluminum case & plate; brass PVD or maybe sandblast weight & plate
  •  Planck-style 48-key layout (at 19.00mm spacing, as per OLKB specs), with support for 2u MIT spacebar
  •  Double gasket mount (dampening & isolation); 1/16" thick Sorbothane
  •  Flex-slotted PCB (MX only) with ESD, USB-C, and STM32 running QMK & VIA (or possibly a brand spanking new custom firmware)
  •  5.5° typing angle

     IC Form: https://forms.gle/Bs3YXFJvg9d5Ykiw8 (https://forms.gle/Bs3YXFJvg9d5Ykiw8)






     Cool Renders


(https://i.imgur.com/GzlU6LO.jpg)

So far, I'm thinking I'll offer the case in Onyx Black, Space Gray, & Nightingale Blue. If you want to see any other colors, say so on the IC form!

(https://i.imgur.com/nFwfBfJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Oj6DNjP.jpg)

As you can see, there'll be either a PVD or sandblasted brass plate. It's not final, though—I'm thinking I'll offer aluminum, as well.

(https://i.imgur.com/8U1OSfd.jpg)

The weight features a symbol reminiscent of a black hole.

(https://i.imgur.com/aFnLwGV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/g46tloc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SM50xOc.jpg)

It's attached with two M2 screws.

(https://i.imgur.com/KMkWc3E.jpg)

The construction itself is a double-gasket mount using 1.5mm-thick Sorbothane (a shock-absorbent polymer) gaskets. You, the end-user, will be able to adjust the pressure applied to the gaskets at your leisure by adjusting the four assembly screws.

(https://i.imgur.com/cqcgsBV.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:06:27
exactly what ive been wanting. sign me up.

would planck pcb fit as well?
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: vikipedeer on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:07:53
never really interested in ortho but my god if this would convince me otherwise...
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:09:52
Quote from: scoopbb on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:06:27
exactly what ive been wanting. sign me up.

would planck pcb fit as well?

I do want it to. The only issue is the thick bezel, which makes the USB-C port difficult to reach. I'll keep working on it and see what I can do, though.
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:12:18
Quote from: PheonixStarr on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:09:52


I do want it to. The only issue is the thick bezel, which makes the USB-C port difficult to reach. I'll keep working on it and see what I can do, though.

hope it works out. either way, super stoked for this.
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: phunktional on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:16:40
Very interested
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: appaboy on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:25:01
very cute
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: mwahlig on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:29:36
very interested in this
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: rowie on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:36:14
Very nice. Wish there was a white one.
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:42:23
Quote from: rowie on Mon, 17 June 2019, 23:36:14
Very nice. Wish there was a white one.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: dav1k on Tue, 18 June 2019, 00:47:08
I really like your design.

When it comes to ortholinear keyboards, I prefer the Preonic/5x12 layout.

What are you thoughts regarding this layout? Any consideration towards a possible "Hawking60"?
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: nasp on Tue, 18 June 2019, 00:53:44
Quote from: dav1k on Tue, 18 June 2019, 00:47:08
I really like your design.

When it comes to ortholinear keyboards, I prefer the Preonic/5x12 layout.

What are you thoughts regarding this layout? Any consideration towards a possible "Hawking60"?

+1

Also, what will the switch spacing be? Standard or what the Planck/Preonic use?
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: ttom on Tue, 18 June 2019, 01:23:27
Very interested
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: PheonixStarr on Tue, 18 June 2019, 01:56:04
Quote from: dav1k on Tue, 18 June 2019, 00:47:08
Any consideration towards a possible "Hawking60"?

Very possible! It really comes down to whether or not a) this design works practically; & b) Preonic is popular enough to meet MOQ. I would love to run a Preonic-sized Hawking, but it's a niche (gasket) inside a niche (high end) inside a niche (Preonic) inside a niche (ortho) so prospects aren't great :(
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Tue, 18 June 2019, 02:59:27
It was only a matter of time! Very interested!
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: VaclavKucera on Tue, 18 June 2019, 04:25:24
I'd love to see some rotary encoder support (preferably in bottom left corner), but either way sign me up!
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: deacon on Tue, 18 June 2019, 06:50:19
One thing I like about the Niu Mini is that the port is sunk deep enough that it's protected. With the right sized connector side loads are are transferred to the case rather than the port and prevent damage to the PCB.

The Planck PCB can also use a daughterboard if needed.

Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: EricJames on Tue, 18 June 2019, 09:27:31
What does gasket mount get you in terms of user benefits?
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 18 June 2019, 09:38:48
Quote from: EricJames on Tue, 18 June 2019, 09:27:31
What does gasket mount get you in terms of user benefits?
Since there is sorbothane between the plate and the case, much of the vibrations (and sound from vibrations) are dampened
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: garbo on Tue, 18 June 2019, 10:57:44
I'm personally all about the 4x12 ortho layout and like what you're proposing here. Adding sorbothane to a mechmini 2's mounting points has had nice enough effects that I'm a believer in these sort of systems on small boards.

On the other hand, I'd assume that the cost of the construction/materials involved here would put this in the $250-300 high end 40% price bracket. There hasn't really been a product that's proven the market for an ortholinear-only option at that position is large enough to make such a group buy viable, and I'm not fully convinced that's the case (though hopefully you can show that it is).

I do think the design could be refined aesthetically - the overall shape is a bit too tall and boxy for a keyboard this size IMO. The top piece's proportions are obviously set by the need to fit over the plate and bottom, but I feel it should be possible to take a more elegant looking approach to the bezelled look, somehow.

Oh, and a sandwiched 4x12 aluminium plate surely doesn't have enough flex for those PCB slots to make any difference at all. You'd  probably need some sort of half plate, which on a 40% means you'd have the top alpha row really inconsistent with the other two.
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: mwahlig on Tue, 18 June 2019, 11:15:14
Quote from: nasp on Tue, 18 June 2019, 00:53:44
Quote from: dav1k on Tue, 18 June 2019, 00:47:08
I really like your design.

When it comes to ortholinear keyboards, I prefer the Preonic/5x12 layout.

What are you thoughts regarding this layout? Any consideration towards a possible "Hawking60"?

+1

Also, what will the switch spacing be? Standard or what the Planck/Preonic use?

Looks like it uses 19.00mm spacing, same as the Planck/preonic.
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: dav1k on Fri, 21 June 2019, 04:06:28
Quote from: PheonixStarr on Tue, 18 June 2019, 01:56:04
Very possible! It really comes down to whether or not a) this design works practically; & b) Preonic is popular enough to meet MOQ. I would love to run a Preonic-sized Hawking, but it's a niche (gasket) inside a niche (high end) inside a niche (Preonic) inside a niche (ortho) so prospects aren't great :(

I am fully aware of the niche-inception ;D, but given this is an IC, would you be willing to explore a larger sized design to accommodate 5 rows?

Either way, the design is really strong and awesome!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 24 June 2019, 13:10:40
any idea when/if this will run
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 24 June 2019, 22:44:19
Quote from: scoopbb on Mon, 24 June 2019, 13:10:40
any idea when/if this will run

Dunno. I'm hoping before November. The timetable is wack rn because Sorbo is legit ignoring my emails >:L and I'm attempting to make it Planck PCB compatible without having ever touched a Planck PCB. I'll have an update sometime within the next few days tho, so keep your eyes peeled.
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: pheonix991 on Wed, 03 July 2019, 14:44:57
I'd love to see a purple or pink case offered.

+1 for Planck pcb.  +10 if you can ship the Planck pcb with it.
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: escher on Wed, 03 July 2019, 14:56:01
Watching with lots of interest! Looks great!


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Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: Develspede on Sat, 06 July 2019, 15:05:59
Very interested in a premium ortho 40. Maybe consider adding 2x2u space bar support, but it looks great.
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: bthezebra on Thu, 25 July 2019, 21:03:13
Quote from: PheonixStarr on Mon, 24 June 2019, 22:44:19
Quote from: scoopbb on Mon, 24 June 2019, 13:10:40
any idea when/if this will run

Dunno. I'm hoping before November. The timetable is wack rn because Sorbo is legit ignoring my emails >:L and I'm attempting to make it Planck PCB compatible without having ever touched a Planck PCB. I'll have an update sometime within the next few days tho, so keep your eyes peeled.
Any updates :)
Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — Gasket-Mounted 40% Ortho
Post by: equalunique on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:18:27
If it will help, I'll donate my Planck Rev6 PCB to the cause.

There's a lot to like about this design.

Sorbothane seems like a cool nice-to-have but I'd settle for "burger mount" just to have an angled 4*12 ortho case.

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Title: Re: [IC] Hawking48 — *on pause for a lil; come back in a few months*
Post by: dom on Wed, 27 November 2019, 10:56:07
Any updates Sir?  ;)