Why the left control 1.75, and the space is sooooooooooooooooooo tiny. That would be unusable for me, I press space always right under the C V keys... unless I could remap that left FN to space lol.
Also, I wonder why they bothered to have 2nd layer cursor key and on ESDF seems pointless. One thing they did get right was the 2nd layer nav cluster though. Much better than Poker and Pure.
Do not want.
I'm only waiting for my GH60... I can achieve my own perfection.
This is a new keyboard layout suggestion. So, there are arguments both for and against the measure.in their Facebook
I don't really like the "jagged" edge up the top there. But other than that, it looks good.
^ My right shift is (looks) bigger than your spacebar :p
^ My right shift is (looks) bigger than your spacebar :p
I think it's cuz in Japanese, SHIFT isn't a problem because they don't have capitals...
They also DON"T need space bar nearly as much.. because there doesn't need to be spacing between words like ours.
they only need space between punctuation, and new clause.
well, I know they have capital characters, but those are rare, and i've only seen them for numbers.
^ My right shift is (looks) bigger than your spacebar :p
I think it's cuz in Japanese, SHIFT isn't a problem because they don't have capitals...
They also DON"T need space bar nearly as much.. because there doesn't need to be spacing between words like ours.
they only need space between punctuation, and new clause.
well, I know they have capital characters, but those are rare, and i've only seen them for numbers.
I prefer the layout in the FKB91JPM (http://www.diatec.co.jp/products/det.php?prod_c=5) as opposed to the MINILA. Gotta love that metal plate/wrist rest
Was exciting, and then meh. Saw the layout.
Too many 60% keyboards in the market.
Less 60%, more rebooting of the Zero line!
^ My right shift is (looks) bigger than your spacebar :p
I think it's cuz in Japanese, SHIFT isn't a problem because they don't have capitals...
They also DON"T need space bar nearly as much.. because there doesn't need to be spacing between words like ours.
they only need space between punctuation, and new clause.
well, I know they have capital characters, but those are rare, and i've only seen them for numbers.
I went to diatec website and found they had a "gaming brand" for accessories. Anyone know of these? CyberSnipa it's called.
https://www.diatec.co.jp/products/CS/
I prefer the layout in the FKB91JPM (http://www.diatec.co.jp/products/det.php?prod_c=5) as opposed to the MINILA. Gotta love that metal plate/wrist rest
Too many 60% keyboards in the market. We need to see some 65% keyboards (around 70 keys) ... something in-between a Poker and a RACE. Leopold FC660M could be it, but it's missing at least 2 keys :-(
Will be interested if there is a Mac version.
Will be interested if there is a Mac version.it will work with OS X fine im sure just like every other filco that i know of. if you want the mods in the 'correct' place it is trivial to do so via System Preferences > Keyboards > Modifier keys
Will be interested if there is a Mac version.it will work with OS X fine im sure just like every other filco that i know of. if you want the mods in the 'correct' place it is trivial to do so via System Preferences > Keyboards > Modifier keys
I like a better engineered Filco with Mac function keys, Win/Mac modifier key cap setsyou can get mac mods elsewhere, but this board has weird mods so maybe not. just touch type and get blanks :DWill be interested if there is a Mac version.it will work with OS X fine im sure just like every other filco that i know of. if you want the mods in the 'correct' place it is trivial to do so via System Preferences > Keyboards > Modifier keys
I mean if it's cheap I might just get it for whatever (cuz its Filco amirite) but I'd rather grab a different mini board available.
What's MSRP?
ISO version:
http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/MINILAUK/
So got a tweet back from keyboard co. They said that the minila should be available on their amazon store in the next month or 2.
they make mini keyboard and then they add 2cm top bezel :D
i also don't like the layout :c pure still has the best layout for me...also, why noone still makes mini keyboard with trackpoint :c
Less 60%, more rebooting of the Zero line!
It sucks because i love Filco and i would have bought a red, blue and brown model from them but not with that layout. I may settle for the Leopold.I think the only thing this has in common with the Majestouch series is the badge.
It sucks because i love Filco and i would have bought a red, blue and brown model from them but not with that layout. I may settle for the Leopold.I think the only thing this has in common with the Majestouch series is the badge.
It looks awesome, I love the double fn keys and their placement.
I'm not sure how fond I am about the smaller right shift key, but I'd probably get used to it. Also I don't understand why the left control is bigger than usual. I love how the space bar is short on the right hand side but I would probably appreciate a longer left hand side (aka use a normal sized left control key)(<--Although perhaps the space bar being shown is a more regular size?). I am also unsure if I like the second layer, being able to customize this would be awesome, perhaps replace the apps button with the a pn button (I honestly have no idea what the apps or menu button does, as I regularly use a laptop keyboard). I'm also not a huge fan of the size of the bezel, I wish it was smaller like the pure/poker. But so far I think this may be the nicest 60% I've seen.
That being said I would love to see a (65%) keyboard like the Leopold FC660M with no spacing in between the backspace and the insert key and the extra home/end/pgDn/pgUp keys. On this keyboard I'd also like to see a similar bottom row to the filco minila and a programmable second layer.
But that's just me.
Let's say you do this.. You'd be dropping 135g force, almost super black...
What appeals to you about this board? Just curious.
The biggest part is: Supports full unix mode.You just described Poker and Pure.
ESC above tab
ctrl instead of caps lock
backspace right above \
The biggest part is: Supports full unix mode.You just described Poker and Pure.
ESC above tab
ctrl instead of caps lock
backspace right above \
(Fn Q on the Poker to swap ESC and grave key).
Too many 60% keyboards in the market. We need to see some 65% keyboards (around 70 keys) ... something in-between a Poker and a RACE. Leopold FC660M could be it, but it's missing at least 2 keys :-(
I watch pics of this keyboard several times a day and looking forward to it. I really hope I can snatch one of those JIS ones.
Make a new spacebar over at shapeways or something similar in beige, and go cherry hunting for different keycaps that I know exist in beige.
I'm not too sure about the placement of the Up arrow keys on the left side of the right shift key. I think they might as well just have neglected the Right Shift gear all together.
The spacebar looks okay considering you can switch the FN keys to the spacebar, but I don't think I could get used to that 1x shift. Who thought a left shift that small was a good idea?
The spacebar looks okay considering you can switch the FN keys to the spacebar, but I don't think I could get used to that 1x shift. Who thought a left shift that small was a good idea?
I just noticed the board has no setting for a Control key on the right side. There should be a dip switch to change the App key to a Control.
How do they expect people to hit Ctrl-A or Ctrl-C, single handedly ?
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ? By the way, apart from being easier on the hand, using 2 hands is way faster too than doing single-hand combos which take completely off the typing position.
I'm in bash all day and use Ctrl-A to go to the beginning of the line and Ctrl-E to go to the end, and the right control is by far the fastest and most comfortable way. Try it sometime :-)
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ? By the way, apart from being easier on the hand, using 2 hands is way faster too than doing single-hand combos which take completely off the typing position.I prefer to hit control with my palm/base of the pinky. Less hand movement for me that way.
I'm in bash all day and use Ctrl-A to go to the beginning of the line and Ctrl-E to go to the end, and the right control is by far the fastest and most comfortable way. Try it sometime :-)
How often do you really hit control though.. If you're hitting Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, you're probably already disrupted by the mouse or hitting shift+home keys or something, all which are going to require you to move your hands anyway.That's why I made my function layer to have all those keys on or 1 key away from homerow.
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ? By the way, apart from being easier on the hand, using 2 hands is way faster too than doing single-hand combos which take completely off the typing position.
I'm in bash all day and use Ctrl-A to go to the beginning of the line and Ctrl-E to go to the end, and the right control is by far the fastest and most comfortable way. Try it sometime :-)
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ? By the way, apart from being easier on the hand, using 2 hands is way faster too than doing single-hand combos which take completely off the typing position.
I'm in bash all day and use Ctrl-A to go to the beginning of the line and Ctrl-E to go to the end, and the right control is by far the fastest and most comfortable way. Try it sometime :-)
I just did, and I think my right hand wanted to strangle me for abusing it so. Hitting right control from the home row is the most uncomfortable stretch on a keyboard I've done in a while.
It's far easier just to remap CapsLock to LControl, and then use your left pinky to hit it. Much more ergonomic, way less strain on your hands.
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ?Use Your Palm or Semi-Fist (http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/emacs_pinky.html)
Edit: Oh... I didn't notice the small backspace key. Screw that, I make a lot of mistakes. That singlehandedly ruins it for me... I hit right in the middle of those two keys, and I'm too stubborn to change for one dinky keyboard. ;-)
I warn you that the Left Shift has a different size compared to a standard LShift so replacement keycaps would be a headache.
The JIS layout one is a copy of the HHKB PRO JP with different key sizes in the last row:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QltK1.jpg)
The spacebar is the best one they could fit in the keyboard. It is just perfect for me.
Is it up for sale in any US stores yet?Nah . . it's in Vietnam.
waaat the faaak. I would totally buy this thing if greenies were an option but everyones so damn racist against mx greens...
Wonder how difficult changing the switches on this would be...
Not gonna lie, actually pretty excited about this. I always hit space right below the B and N keys, always with my right thumb. This layout will allow me to reclaim some of that wasted space. It's got dedicated arrow keys, which means I can use it in Visual Studio without it being all awkward like the HHKB.
And, of course.. it's a Filco.
I have one as well and are you surprised that the space key hasn't been an issue for you? I thought it was going to be too small but i have had no problems what so ever. Thoughts about the small space bar...
Folks, you are not supposed to hit the right control by stretching your hand open, but by moving your entire arm. This way both your hands remain very relaxed at all times.
But contorting your left hand to hit Control and A single-handedly, not only moves one of you hands away from typing position anyway, but puts a lot of strain on it.
Ctrl-Q and Ctrl-W are even worse than Ctrl-A. Apart from straining your hand, it takes more time to bend your hand rather than move your other hand.
Anyway, our bodies are symmetric and there's a reason we have 2 shifts, 2 alts and 2 controls.
BTW, while my usage of the 2 shifts is pretty even, I use the right control far more frequently than the left. I guess I will have to map the App/Menu key to be a right Control, no big deal. On my Poker I sacrifice the same key anyway (for the tilde).
I just got this board after quite a bit of deliberation. The double function keys are what really sold me. I like the fact I don't have to move my fingers off the home row to use the arrow keys. The backspace was a concern as it seems to be for a lot of people here. One thing that nobody has mentioned yet is that you can use (FN + ;) as delete. So again you don't have to move your fingers off the home row to delete. Very smart in my opinion.
One thing that nobody has mentioned yet is that you can use (FN + ;) as delete.
Can I remap Fn key to something else e.g. Ctrl?Typically FN keys cannot be changed (especially on OEM boards) as they work at a hardware level with no OS interaction.