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Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 29 July 2011, 15:17:56: NEW ORDER THREAD: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?21283-Group-Buy-Moogle-Kit-2-FINAL-ORDERS-LAST-DAY-8-25

I wanted to see how many of you guys would still be interested in some supplement doubleshot keys for your incomplete Cherry sets. Just to be clear, I'm specifically talking about the control, windows, alt, space, menu and caps lock keys.

I'd be willing to organize or co-organize this group buy. [strike]Since I'm new here, I wouldn't mind fronting the costs myself if enough people sign up for sets. I know nothing about the Group Buy 4 and whether this is planned to be in there, but it would possibly take a small burden off of those guys if it were separate anyway. [/strike]

I bugged Melissa over at SP for a quote. These costs don't include custom legends (which I would really like to do). I found a near perfect match to the Cherry keys if that works out. Custom legends would add ~$25 per key.

UPDATED PRICING (8/20):

Pricing cannot be combined on the white and black sets. 50 white sets and 50 black sets will be priced at 50 sets for all of them.

100 sets (50W/50B): $16.09/set

Legend cost: $210 (about $2 each)

I will try to keep the final cost at around $18

Update: Color choices

I think I'll ask you guys to update your posts with the following color choices and quantities (X = quantity):

(X)WHITE: black legends on beige/grey with white space bar
(X)BLACK: white legends on black

[strike](X)GREY: white legends on grey/beige[/strike] Beyond the scope of this kit.

Includes:

2X Alt
2X Control
2X Windows Logo
1X Space Bar
1X Menu Key
1X Caps Lock
1X Right Shift

(possibly - space saver layouts like G80-1800's didn't have a long numpad 0 or + : seems to fit the criteria of this kit)
[strike] 1X Numpad 0 [/strike] --Since this would be the only white key with legends, it would cost an extra $50 for the color change, then the legend fee on top of that. Probably no.
[strike] 1X Long + [/strike] --No point just having one numpad key.

(we shouldn't need the blank windows keys - let me know)

Once everyone has done this, I'll make a list. I think editing posts is the best way to do this, because then we can keep it down to 1 post per person. I'll check back periodically and update the list.

Update: Order Requests

1 xbb (2)WHITE (2)BLACK

2 rightbraingeek: (2)WHITE (2)BLACK

3 litster: (3)WHITE (3)BLACK ***

4 mmmty: (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

5 Atenacius: (1)BLACK

6 lopan: (3)BLACK

7 reaper: (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

8 lysol: (1)BLACK

9 Laggy-gaga: (2)WHITE (1)BLACK

10 hashbaz: (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

11 Supergleep: (2)BLACK (1)WHITE

12 soulfree914: (5)WHITE (2)BLACK ***

13 Goly: (1)WHITE

14 toast: (1)WHITE

15 oddsratio: (1)BLACK

16 jpm804: (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

17 duq: (1)WHITE

18 N8N: (3)WHITE (2)BLACK ***

19 Grond: (1)BLACK

20 tsangan (1)WHITE (1)BLACK -- 1 or 2?

21 lemonboy (1)WHITE

22 The_Ed (1)BLACK

23 Ascaii (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

24 kaiserreich (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

25 Hakhu (2)BLACK (2)WHITE ***

26 xmrxkrazy (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

27 HongE (1)WHITE (2)BLACK

28 wanabe (1)BLACK

29 Lpb45 (1)BLACK (1)WHITE

30 MrPhil (1)BLACK

31 BiNiaRiS (1)BLACK (1)WHITE

32 dux (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

33 calavera (2)WHITE (1)BLACK

34 agor (1)WHITE

35 jat4 (1)BLACK

36 the_buff (2)BLACK (1)WHITE

37 StinkyTofu (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

38 lootbag (1)WHITE

39 CeeSA (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

40 arc2 (2)WHITE (2)BLACK ***

41 ripster (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

42 Torgee (1)WHITE (1)BLACK

43 cycloverid (me) (4)WHITE

44 iWuzHere (1)WHITE

45 gilgam (2)WHITE (2)BLACK

46 kidchunks (1)BLACK

47 spdx (2)BLACK

48 MissileMike (3)BLACK

TOTAL: 111

---KEEP THE ORDERS COMING---
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: xbb on Fri, 29 July 2011, 15:21:26: count me in
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: calavera on Fri, 29 July 2011, 15:29:26: I'm pretty sure this will be an option in group buy 4.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: rightbraingeek on Fri, 29 July 2011, 15:40:30: Yep. Count me in, too.

***New Quantity due to price change:
[strike](2)(3)(2)[/strike] (3) WHITE
[strike](2)(3)(2)[/strike] (3) BLACK
Thought I'd add extras in GB4; but currently not cheaper @ $20/set and would take much longer. So back to (3) sets of each color. Additional payment sent.

Updated, again.
Updated, 2x's.
Updated, 3x's the charm.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: litster on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:11:14: I am in. Are you going to do both black and white/beige? I am also interested in a moogle kit for Dolch keys. Basically the same keys in a moogle set in Round 3's STANDARD Set color.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: mmmty on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:12:14: Mee too.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: sordna on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:16:27: Are these sets for keyboards with 1 or 2 windows keys? What type of spacebar? Can the OP be mention some examples of keyboard models this kit is compatible with?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:25:36: Hey, cool to see we still have a decent amount of interest.

I'm at work at the moment. I am aware that different layouts are an issue. This was intended as merely an extension of Moogle's final kit (likely two color options), but I will see what I can put together if requests are high enough for additional keys.

I will put up the specs later. Thanks for your patience.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:35:14: I am absolutely 100% interested. I'm only interested in one set of black with white legends and the closest to the Cherry fonts and positioning. Please count me in for the order.

(1)BLACK: white legends on black

EDIT: Preferences based on new design development:
Windows key: Slanted, left-justified
Caps Lock key: Option C Single-line "Caps Lock" without symbols
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: lopan on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:36:02: I would be in for 5 sets probably.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: tsangan on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:40:39: Count me in for a set or 2 on per colour
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: reaper on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:41:04: I'm in for 2 sets.

(1)WHITE: black legends on beige/grey with white space bar
(1)BLACK: white legends on black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:45:16: 1 x BLACK
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 29 July 2011, 16:54:13: I'd like to add that I will be doing my best to match the Cherry keys. So if there is a closer color, text positioning, etc. Moogle did a great job, but no point in not trying to be perfectionists :)
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: calavera on Fri, 29 July 2011, 17:14:56: Quote from: cycloverid;389570
I'd like to add that I will be doing my best to match the Cherry keys. So if there is a closer color, text positioning, etc. Moogle did a great job, but no point in not trying to be perfectionists :)

Right shift font was close to the cherry corps. Others (capslock, alt, ctrl...) need to be slightly bolder. Both black and beige colors are a little off so I hope you find the right color this time.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 29 July 2011, 17:42:08: Quote from: calavera;389581
Right shift font was close to the cherry corps. Others (capslock, alt, ctrl...) need to be slightly bolder. Both black and beige colors are a little off so I hope you find the right color this time.
Moogle didn't use custom legends, which is why the text wasn't as bold. Also, Melissa says that their color GAW is a match for the Cherry keys. But, I'll have to get a hold of one of those plastic color chains that have been going around (either digitally or otherwise).
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Laggy-gaga on Fri, 29 July 2011, 19:14:49: I am in for 3 sets
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: godofdeath on Fri, 29 July 2011, 21:05:01: what are these any pics?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Fri, 29 July 2011, 21:18:08: Its a supplemental kit for those that bought donor Cherry POS boards for double shot keys. These keyboards have incompatible offset stems for the front row, and caps lock keys so they don't fit on Filcos, Leopolds, Das, etc.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: litster on Fri, 29 July 2011, 21:19:35: From GeekHack Round 3 Double-shot Replacement Group Buy Keycap Picture Reference Wiki (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=GeekHack+Round+3+Double-shot+Replacement+Group+Buy+Keycap+Picture+Reference)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=19813&d=1309106527)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=19801&d=1309106521)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21593&d=1311203687)
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: xbb on Fri, 29 July 2011, 22:03:57: Here you can see maybe the color difference.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]22729[/ATTACH]
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Fri, 29 July 2011, 22:12:48: How come the windows legend isn't centered? It looks really weird
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 29 July 2011, 22:17:06: Ignore this part.

EDIT: Well, I just took a look at the original Cherry keys, which are all left justified like this. So, you can call it a mistake on the Windows key, or is it? Up to you guys.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Fri, 29 July 2011, 22:30:00: I think you're right about the left justification. I guess I just prefer it centered. I want the black moogle set either way. I can't stand the mismatched fonts
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 29 July 2011, 23:14:24: [STRIKE]Interested in one black-on-white and one white-on-black.[/STRIKE]

edit: Please change order to:

(2)WHITE
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Supergleep on Fri, 29 July 2011, 23:30:48: I'm in for a couple of black sets and a white set

edit for clarity:

(2) BLACK
(1) WHITE :smile:
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: soulfree914 on Sat, 30 July 2011, 02:39:42: I'm in for a few beige sets.. maybe 2 or 3.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Goly on Sat, 30 July 2011, 05:45:27: I will be in for one set
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: toast on Sat, 30 July 2011, 12:59:23: I'd be in for one set ( black on grey).
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: oddsratio on Sat, 30 July 2011, 13:32:27: Depending on how you coordinate with group buy 4, I'd be in for a set (hell, I'll probably buy a set there too). Black is my preference, but I think grey/beige is where this is going.

(1)BLACK: white legends on black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: N8N on Sat, 30 July 2011, 13:47:41: I am totally in, but will need a 2x numpad zero and a right shift as well. (got a board w/ doubleshots but it is one of those awful space saver deals.) Any chance of hooking that up?

thanks much
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 30 July 2011, 16:33:06: N8N: Yeah, it looks like most of the 1800 layouts have a bad shift and no long numpad 0. Would anyone have a problem with including 1X numpad 0?

I have updated the main post with information regarding color choices.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: jpm804 on Sat, 30 July 2011, 16:47:58: In for:

(1)WHITE: black legends on beige/grey with white space bar
(1)BLACK: white legends on black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: duq on Sat, 30 July 2011, 16:49:06: (1)WHITE
In for a set.

Would it be too much to ask for two keys to swap the standard left control with the caps lock key?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 30 July 2011, 17:12:12: [ATTACH=CONFIG]22814[/ATTACH]

Just for an update regarding font. I think we have enough people in on this that custom legends is my preference.

This is the font I will be using as a base to match to the Cherry keys. The tail on the lower case t doesn't bother me too much, but I can create some custom paths in photoshop to correct non-matching letters like this. EDIT: It also looks like the kerning is too tight on this font between certain letters.

Also, I'm working with 7bit to match the key colors, but there's only a few colors left that I'm asking him about. If that doesnt work out, we might be stuck with the Group Buy 3 colors. Weak sauce :(
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: N8N on Sat, 30 July 2011, 17:18:07: Well I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it! you can sign me up for a couple sets if you decide to include the right shift and long zero.

If you're going to do them in black on white/grey I might be in for a couple sets of those too, I actually prefer that look just haven't been able to find them.

Thank you all for encouraging me to buy crap that I really don't need :)

Now why can't someone just make a bone standard 104 key keyboard with plate-mounted Cherry MX clears, NKRO, a true ANSI layout, and a nice old school doubleshot set of keycaps? If there were something like that available on the market I would have already bought it! (the Cherry POS boards are close, but they're PCB mounted, don't have doubleshots, and I keep hitting backslash instead of enter thanks to that goofy vertical enter key! But even so I owe you guys thanks for turning me onto them because they're cheap and darn good.)

Edit: now that I look at my G81 board vs. a real full sized board, I would also need a "plus" key for the numpad as well. That might be too much scope creep for this project, and sadly, that probably means it's worth my while to just cough up the $80 for a new set of doubleshots even though these ones are not bad looking.

So to make a G81 space saver board set of d'shots work on a full size board you would need:

-full bottom row
-right shift
-numpad zero
-numpad plus

plus, you'd have to mod the stepped caps lock key from the G81 to work on a centered-swtich G80.

not worth it?

anyway, put me down for (3) black (1) white - I may bump that up depending on how many sets of white doubleshots I'm getting (working the DT group buy on those as well.)
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 30 July 2011, 17:43:26: Yep, I feel your pain. I had to get 2 full sets of doubleshots from TaoBao to get what I needed. The first set I got is an 1800. I was actually going to look to see if I had the keys you're talking about, but I remember that it is in fact harvested from the space saver layout. I'm missing the long + and long numpad 0 as well :(

No one else has this issue? I'll ask about the pricing with Signature Plastics on Monday and see how it compares.

EDIT: Here's a color comparison of keys based on one digital photo (not the final word, but gives an idea)

[ATTACH=CONFIG]22817[/ATTACH]

My concern with this color choice is that it is too yellow. Getting the right tone should be the first priority, then matching value.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: thegunner100 on Sat, 30 July 2011, 19:05:26: (1) WHITE

These would fit Filcos correct?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: soulfree914 on Sun, 31 July 2011, 04:45:30: How about a 1.75 right shift, like the one in 1800 or Noppoo choc mini?

(3)WHITE: black legends on beige/grey with white space bar
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: N8N on Sun, 31 July 2011, 05:01:05: soulfree, if you want one, I have one white on black that's yours for postage... will gladly trade for a full size shift if you have one! Do you also have the numpad doubleshots as well? I'd happily buy those from you!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: lemonboy on Sun, 31 July 2011, 09:35:00: I'm in.

(1)WHITE: black legends on beige/grey with white space bar
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: rightbraingeek on Sun, 31 July 2011, 11:19:53: Quote from: cycloverid;390135
Yep, I feel your pain. I had to get 2 full sets of doubleshots from TaoBao to get what I needed. The first set I got is an 1800. I was actually going to look to see if I had the keys you're talking about, but I remember that it is in fact harvested from the space saver layout. I'm missing the long + and long numpad 0 as well :(

No one else has this issue? I'll ask about the pricing with Signature Plastics on Monday and see how it compares.

Yes indeed as well as the keys N8N mentions. So hoping you can get White-on-Black, vice versa and the right tone of Cherry grey as I'm also on the look out for DS greys.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: soulfree914 on Sun, 31 July 2011, 12:20:10: Quote from: N8N;390310
soulfree, if you want one, I have one white on black that's yours for postage... will gladly trade for a full size shift if you have one! Do you also have the numpad doubleshots as well? I'd happily buy those from you!

I would love to trade.. it's only that I'm in South Korea now. :-( Too much postage cost, maybe?
Anyway, I am trying to get a black on beige 1.75 right shift in particular.

Btw, I'm wondering if the caps key is stepped or not.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Grond on Sun, 31 July 2011, 12:33:16: 1 x black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: litster on Sun, 31 July 2011, 14:26:44: Are we supposed to declare our order in this thread now, or will there be a separate order only thread?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 31 July 2011, 17:01:29: SoulFree918: I'm sorry for my ignorance, but is the reason Moogle didn't go with the stepped caps lock due to the stem positioning? If so, then no to the stepped version.

Litster: Unless I get some help with this, I don't see a separate order thread. I might just set a soft maximum to 50 orders. I don't think help is necessary though.

I'll be updating the list of orders shortly. If anyone changes their mind due to the new Group 4 Buy, please note that in your post. Thanks!

EDIT: Let me take the time to answer a couple questions from earlier:

duq: I'm not sure what you mean by those two extra keys. I would say the answer is probably no? But, be more specific.

lysol: Regarding your post on the windows logo, I personally think the windows logo with the four divisions is vastly more recognizable.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: litster on Sun, 31 July 2011, 17:46:55: OK. I am in for the following:

(3)White
(2)Black
(2)Grey

Thanks!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 31 July 2011, 17:52:33: Sorry guys, I'm almost definitely cutting the grey color. This is meant to be a supplemental kit, but the grey kit does sound cool. Maybe in another group buy if this one goes well.

I'll add your first two color choices to the list litster.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 31 July 2011, 17:59:04: Regarding the Windows logo, sure the 'old' one is more recognizable, but I thought it looked terrible on the last moogle kit. Too big of space between segments. It just looks kind of like 4 blobs to me. I was only pointing out that some attention was needed on that specifically and offering a simplified suggestion that SP might manage better.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 31 July 2011, 18:06:22: I see your point lysol. To me, the problem is that the line weight isn't consistent with the other keys. You have these big islands of black, whereas every other key uses a reasonably consistent weight.

EDIT: I do see that the windows keys look stylized. What if it were an outline around the 4 windows shapes?

Quick Mock-up
[ATTACH=CONFIG]22921[/ATTACH]
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 31 July 2011, 18:36:58: Pretty quick and dirty, with the black being the legend, something like this?
[ATTACH=CONFIG]22922[/ATTACH]
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 31 July 2011, 18:38:11: Yep. :)
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: N8N on Sun, 31 July 2011, 18:43:19: Why not just print "Super" on it and call it a day? (yeah, I'm not a Windows fan) but if you have to have a logo, I think the one before that was more attractive... the one like this

[ATTACH=CONFIG]22924[/ATTACH]

of course, that one is actually on the keyboard that I am using so I guess you can just call me old school now. (my favorite keyboard doesn't even have those stinkin' Windows/Super keys...)

Actually, you know what I haven't seen, a Superman logo on a Super key... hey, there's an idea

REALLY Q&D

[ATTACH=CONFIG]22925[/ATTACH]
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 31 July 2011, 18:44:45: Strange I didn't see your edit before I posted... anyway I'm obviously down with that. Do it in the same line weight as the shift arrow, would look more consistent than the Cherry originals.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 31 July 2011, 19:04:02: (1) BLACK for me.
Regarding the font - I just got the 99HK cherry 104 set and the font is perfect. You should contact 99HK to find out what font he used in his 100 sets of doubleshots. Regarding the windows keys - leave them as the XP style. Left justified and four squares of white. The "outline" version would not look good or show up well in my opinion, and cost more too. What do the rest of you think about this?

Edit:
cycloverid: So 99HK got those 100 sets directly from cherry corp? I think there should be a vote on the windows logo to keep the majority happy. All I need at the moment from this "Moogle Kit 2" is those 2 windows keys, the menu key, and an unstepped caps lock to finish off my G80-3494.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: kaiserreich on Sun, 31 July 2011, 19:10:53: (1)white
(1)black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 31 July 2011, 19:11:34: Ed: I will be doing my best to match the Cherry keys perfectly. 99.hk is selling official Cherry Keys, not ones produced by Signature Plastics. We have to work around manufacturing constraints with the windows logo, which is why there are suggestions to change the appearance. If you look at some of the first round of moogle keys, you will see what we're talking about.

The official Cherry font is custom. But there are a couple fonts that are very close. I am a professional artist and I will be doing my very best. All suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 31 July 2011, 19:13:53: Outline style icon looks fine, like the shift arrow.

N8N I think the Superman key would be fun, but as a single key not part of a Cherry match set. Make it for GB4 I'd get one.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: N8N on Sun, 31 July 2011, 19:19:16: Oh, I know... I was just being silly.

But now that I think about it, it actually makes more sense than a penguin, and has a little more eye-grabbing effect than just the printed word "super"...
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Ascaii on Sun, 31 July 2011, 19:56:21: ill take 1 white, 1 black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 31 July 2011, 20:51:25: Ed: 99.hk has probably acquired these keys/keyboards from businesses who have stopped using them, or had them in storage. The windows and menu keys aren't doubleshots on those.

I'm perfectly fine doing a vote, but I'm not so sure how I'd set this up. I've been mocking up some of my own comparisons for logo designs, and the mockup with the outline still looks the most true to the original.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: xmrxkrazy on Mon, 01 August 2011, 03:21:42: (1)White
(1)Black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Hakhu on Mon, 01 August 2011, 07:45:03: (2) black
(2) white
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Goly on Mon, 01 August 2011, 07:57:54: Sorry i didnt put the color :/

(1)WHITE
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: h0ngE on Mon, 01 August 2011, 11:23:52: (1) white
(2) black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: lopan on Mon, 01 August 2011, 11:33:22: I'm going to reduce my order from 5 to (3) black.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: mmmty on Mon, 01 August 2011, 12:13:59: (1)White
(1)Black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Lpb45 on Mon, 01 August 2011, 12:40:18: (1) white
(1) black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: wanabe on Mon, 01 August 2011, 12:41:56: (1) black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 01 August 2011, 12:47:46: Okay guys, I think I need to cut off the orders now. Anyone that is marked down on the list with a ?? I will allow to submit their choices still.

I'm going to be ordering a few blank keys from SP to do some color comparisons.

7bit tells me there is only one black option. I don't have any black doubleshots myself, but does anyone have any pics of a black moogle kit?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: xbb on Mon, 01 August 2011, 12:48:33: I see you have added me but I did not say you the quantities, here they are:

(2)White
(2)Black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: xbb on Mon, 01 August 2011, 13:15:43: Quote from: cycloverid;391020
Okay guys, I think I need to cut off the orders now. Anyone that is marked down on the list with a ?? I will allow to submit their choices still.

I'm going to be ordering a few blank keys from SP to do some color comparisons.

7bit tells me there is only one black option. I don't have any black doubleshots myself, but does anyone have any pics of a black moogle kit?
[ATTACH=CONFIG]22975[/ATTACH]

Left side is Cherry. Right side is moogle kit... ehm shift keys are inverted :)
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Mon, 01 August 2011, 13:32:25: Quote from: xbb;391036
(Attachment) 22975[/ATTACH]

Left side is Cherry. Right side is moogle kit... ehm shift keys are inverted :)

I don't really have a problem with the windows key there but the font kind of looks Comic-Sans-ish. That's close enough for me but if you guys are still set on getting it even better in accuracy, that'd be awesome.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: calavera on Mon, 01 August 2011, 13:52:53: Why do you need to cut orders off? I was about to join. :(
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 01 August 2011, 13:54:56: Quote from: Atenacius;391044
I don't really have a problem with the windows key there but the font kind of looks Comic-Sans-ish. That's close enough for me but if you guys are still set on getting it even better in accuracy, that'd be awesome.

I think it's worth the extra $3-4 each for a matching font. I hope I speak for the majority here.

Calavera, since you posted a couple times, if you want 1 or 2 that's fine.... but I'm going to get overloaded here.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Lpb45 on Mon, 01 August 2011, 15:07:37: lol cutoff right as I put my order in =(
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 01 August 2011, 15:23:10: No, you made it I just missed you lpb45. I could have never guessed so many people still missed out on these from the last buy.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Lpb45 on Mon, 01 August 2011, 15:45:50: Quote from: cycloverid;391126
No, you made it I just missed you lpb45. I could have never guessed so many people still missed out on these from the last buy.

Sweet!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: MrPhil on Mon, 01 August 2011, 17:06:04: Did i miss out?

(1) Black

If you have a spare kit!
Thanks very much
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: wanabe on Mon, 01 August 2011, 19:06:08: just curious..why are orders frozen already? seems like people still want in, it's only been 3 days since they opened
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: reaper on Mon, 01 August 2011, 19:10:15: ^ I think OP doesn't wanna get overwhelmed so he just stops it for now. Once this round is done then perhaps there might be another round. This is a one-man-show after all.. give him a break. lol =P
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: kaiserreich on Mon, 01 August 2011, 19:18:35: Quote from: cycloverid;391069
I think it's worth the extra $3-4 each for a matching font. I hope I speak for the majority here.

Calavera, since you posted a couple times, if you want 1 or 2 that's fine.... but I'm going to get overloaded here.

Seconded, please do the matching font. That's the point of this Kit
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 01 August 2011, 19:31:48: Well, I got an updated quote with the new info.

The bad news is, if you were expecting the price to drop to something like $12, you'll be disappointed. The legend prices are still variable until I get them done. We have at least 1 more key than I originally planned and multiple colors.

The final price should fall between $20 to $25. Closer to $20 I hope.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Mon, 01 August 2011, 19:37:09: This was listed as an interest check thread, not a group buy which is why I hadn't looked at it since it was first posted. I was waiting for an actual group buy thread.

I also wanted to wait until everything, including price was actually finalized.

That being said, I still want in for 1x Black and 1x White.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 01 August 2011, 20:08:23: I apologize, I'm new here.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Mon, 01 August 2011, 20:13:38: Doesn't make sense to ignore the thread if you were interested
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Mon, 01 August 2011, 20:42:17: Quote from: cycloverid;391274
I apologize, I'm new here.

Look at any other Group Buy. They post a date in which orders will stop. That way you don't screw people over.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Mon, 01 August 2011, 20:44:20: First come, first serve. It's his first time, cut him some slack. I'm grateful that he's even troubled himself to do this.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 01 August 2011, 21:12:53: I can assure you that no one is getting screwed. I've already taken more than 10 more than I set a ceiling at.

There will probably be a couple extras, so I'll look to the ones that responded first. No promises sorry!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Mon, 01 August 2011, 22:40:47: Quote from: cycloverid;391306
I can assure you that no one is getting screwed.

Seems like I am.

Sent from my EVO
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Mon, 01 August 2011, 22:49:37: Quote from: BiNiaRiS;391371
Seems like I am.

I don't see why you would ignore this thread in the first place just because it didn't explicitly say that orders were being taken. It seems like it would've been a good idea to see what was going on in this thread if you had any interest at all in getting this kit. It's not his fault you got screwed.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Mon, 01 August 2011, 23:01:09: It's been 3 days and it was an "interest check." It's really that hard to understand? Calavera just got lucky since he posted earlier.

We should set some group buy forum rules. Deadlines really need to be mandatory.

Quote from: Atenacius;391378
I don't see why you would ignore this thread in the first place just because it didn't explicitly say that orders were being taken. It seems like it would've been a good idea to see what was going on in this thread if you had any interest at all in getting this kit. It's not his fault you got screwed.

Sent from my EVO
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Mon, 01 August 2011, 23:10:25: Quote from: BiNiaRiS;391389
It's been 3 days and it was an "interest check." It's really that hard to understand? Calavera just got lucky since he posted earlier.

We should set some group buy forum rules. Deadlines really need to be mandatory.

Better luck next time.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Mon, 01 August 2011, 23:14:05: Quote from: Atenacius;391392
Better luck next time.

You for sure get 1 douche point.

Sent from my EVO
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: calavera on Tue, 02 August 2011, 00:39:56: If I'm still in, I'd like one set of each, If it seems unfair to others then I'm fine with not being included.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 02 August 2011, 00:42:06: First draft (v1.1) images based on custom paths:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]23033[/ATTACH]

I'll have to do some image overlay tests to triple check the width of my paths and make sure the boldness is exact.

I'm going to see if I can use the original windows logo as seen here (with slightly widened bars running through the window shapes).

I hope everything can be done that I want here!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: kaiserreich on Tue, 02 August 2011, 00:52:37: They look Cherrific.
I hope SP does not screw it up

Would you like to share the reason why you do not to add any more orders?
I mean, everybody knows that its going to be cheaper with more orders
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 02 August 2011, 00:56:54: 1.) If I'm really going to be fronting the costs of these keys.... it's a huge financial risk even as it is. I was going to ask if there was a better way we could handle this.

2.) I don't have unlimited time to sort caps and orders.. This is less of an issue though, as there will likely be 10 caps per set.

3.) It would take 100+ orders to really see a huge cost savings. More orders = more headaches with the sorting.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 02 August 2011, 01:12:19: Quote from: cycloverid;391434
1.) If I'm really going to be fronting the costs of these keys.... it's a huge financial risk even as it is. I was going to ask if there was a better way we could handle this.

2.) I don't have unlimited time to sort caps and orders.. This is less of an issue though, as there will likely be 10 caps per set.

3.) It would take 100+ orders to really see a huge cost savings. More orders = more headaches with the sorting.

I was expecting to prepay. Is that not the standard way group buys are done?

Doesn't seem like getting to 100 orders will be a problem, given the interest in this thread.

Sorting is of course a pain. But is sorting 100 really that much more of a timesuck than 60? This is your show of course, but as a participant I would love to hit the next price threshold. What if you capped it at 100 orders?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Supergleep on Tue, 02 August 2011, 01:30:56: Quote from: hashbaz;391441
I was expecting to prepay. Is that not the standard way group buys are done?

This, I was expecting to prepay as well, not put you on the hook to front all the costs.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Tue, 02 August 2011, 01:44:59: Quote from: cycloverid;391434
1.) If I'm really going to be fronting the costs of these keys.... it's a huge financial risk even as it is. I was going to ask if there was a better way we could handle this.

2.) I don't have unlimited time to sort caps and orders.. This is less of an issue though, as there will likely be 10 caps per set.

3.) It would take 100+ orders to really see a huge cost savings. More orders = more headaches with the sorting.

For sure everyone prepays. Don't do it any other way. I'm partially unemployed and have a lot of time on my hands. If you wanted to ship these to me instead I would have plenty of time to sort them and get them in the mail.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 02 August 2011, 01:56:33: Great, we have absolutely no problem then! I'll unlock the order list.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Tue, 02 August 2011, 02:27:17: Quote from: cycloverid;391458
Great, we have absolutely no problem then! I'll unlock the order list.

Awesome, sign me up for:

1x Black
1x White
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Tue, 02 August 2011, 08:37:58: Should we be expecting lower costs now that we're going for 100 orders?

The mock-up looks really good, hopefully the final product will come close
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Laggy-gaga on Tue, 02 August 2011, 09:21:48: Update
I would like to have:
2 sets of white
and 1 set of black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: calavera on Tue, 02 August 2011, 10:54:19: In that case I'm definitely in for:

2 x white/beige
1 x black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: litster on Tue, 02 August 2011, 11:09:27: @cycloverid, please add another set of black for me for a total of

(3)White
(3)Black

Thanks.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: dux on Tue, 02 August 2011, 12:05:32: I'll buy 2 black sets.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 02 August 2011, 12:09:38: Quote from: cycloverid;391431
First draft (v1.1) images based on custom paths:

(Attachment) 23033[/ATTACH]

I'll have to do some image overlay tests to triple check the width of my paths and make sure the boldness is exact.

I'm going to see if I can use the original windows logo as seen here (with slightly widened bars running through the window shapes).

I hope everything can be done that I want here!

This looks like you want to go for SVGs to make sure the keys resemble Cherry keysa as close as possible.

If you want these included into Round 4, order IDs would be:

CHERRYBLACK
CHERRYWHITE
and
CHERRYDOLCH
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 02 August 2011, 12:31:55: Yeah, paths are Photoshop's scalable vector technology. So, those images are just filled selections at that resolution.

I'll ask what formats they need it in today as well as some manufacturing specifics.

I also need to order a few color samples. I really hope there is a color slightly closer than the GAW you guys used last time.

EDIT: Thanks for the help 7bit!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 02 August 2011, 13:13:03: Quote from: cycloverid;391631
Yeah, paths are Photoshop's scalable vector technology. So, those images are just filled selections at that resolution.

I'll ask what formats they need it in today as well as some manufacturing specifics.

I also need to order a few color samples. I really hope there is a color slightly closer than the GAW you guys used last time.

EDIT: Thanks for the help 7bit!

They need them in SVG format. The text (no matter which color it will have on the key) should be black and the rest transparent.

ps: Greet Melissa from me!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: litster on Tue, 02 August 2011, 13:43:43: So are we combining this moogle kit group buy with round 4, or is this still a separate group buy?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Tue, 02 August 2011, 13:46:07: Quote from: litster;391684
So are we combining this moogle kit group buy with round 4, or is this still a separate group buy?

I hope not. I am not a fan of that 7 month wait time :P
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Grond on Tue, 02 August 2011, 14:26:59: Why must the SVGs be remade? Weren't the ones used for the first Moogle Kit good enough?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Tue, 02 August 2011, 14:43:41: Quote from: ripster;391725
Looks off to me. What's up with Tab and Capslock having different fonts?
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21593&d=1311203687)

Yeah the original moogle kit had really thin lineweights. It's noticeably off in comparison to the original Cherry font. Even if the font wasn't exactly the same, matching the thickness would make a huge difference.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 02 August 2011, 15:16:54: Grond: You can see the first draft custom paths I made on the previous page here. Compare these to the ones used on the first Moogle kit - there is a world of difference.

If we reach something like 100 orders, the price increase will be very slight using custom legends (~$2)
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 02 August 2011, 15:19:59: Quote from: Grond;391721
Why must the SVGs be remade? Weren't the ones used for the first Moogle Kit good enough?

In Round 3 they used their standard font, no SVGs from our side.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 02 August 2011, 16:58:35: [ATTACH=CONFIG]23119[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]23120[/ATTACH]
The menu key is way off. This is the 99HK cherry menu key. The windows key is almost right. The tops and bottoms are supposed to be perfect half circles, not what looks to be check marks on yours. Other than that you have gotten the font perfectly.

Edit: first picture at full size has the menu key perfectly, and half the windows key better than the second.

Edit:
7bit: I'm just pointing out inaccuracies to the original cherry style. This moogle kit 2 is an original cherry style replica kit.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 02 August 2011, 17:01:47: Quote from: The_Ed;391861
(Attachment) 23119[/ATTACH] (Attachment) 23120[/ATTACH]
The menu key is way off. This is the 99HK cherry menu key. The windows key is almost right. The tops and bottoms are supposed to be perfect half circles, not what looks to be check marks on yours. Other than that you have gotten the font perfectly.

The SP windows and Menu key are looking much better than the lasered Cherry keys. And I don't mean lasered vs. double shot!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 02 August 2011, 17:11:27: Quote from: The_Ed;391861
(Attachment) 23119[/ATTACH] (Attachment) 23120[/ATTACH]
The menu key is way off. This is the 99HK cherry menu key. The windows key is almost right. The tops and bottoms are supposed to be perfect half circles, not what looks to be check marks on yours. Other than that you have gotten the font perfectly.

Edit: first picture at full size has the menu key perfectly, and half the windows key better than the second.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]23124[/ATTACH]

(Interestingly, the shift keys are swapped. Every other Cherry key is on the left.)

The menu key is way off? I just removed the line on the top in fear that it wouldn't be produced properly due to the measurement constraints I saw on the wiki. It is perfectly accurate otherwise - minus some slight artifacting.

As far as the windows key goes, The curves are slightly different depending on which design we're talking about. I see that the curves are a little wonky, but perfect half-circles they are not. The higher res images you posted will help.

7bit likes the slanted look of the windows key, and I went with the vertical look of the lasered keys seen here. I will revisit this!

I do appreciate the criticisms, this has to be great.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 02 August 2011, 18:00:54: I vastly prefer the style on the Cherry vs the moogle Windows flag, like what you have done. You might want to post your mock up in the OP as it is easier to find there. I might be in the minority here, but I personally like the old style caps lock that has the padlock icon, which can be found on some older European models, along with textless shift.
Also I'd like to add
1x White
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Tue, 02 August 2011, 18:08:09: If it's going to be a supplement kit, maybe it should just stay true to the original Cherry keys. It's going to be difficult for everyone to agree on any changes.

EDIT: I guess it wouldn't be fair to just to go with whatever the standard full-sized US layout was. Anyway, I agree that as long as it's some version of the Cherry keys it should be okay. You can't argue too much with that.
But I would gladly trade my windows key for someones older Moogle key with the slanted logo, heh
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 02 August 2011, 18:12:08: Thats basically the point, but which style of original Cherry keys? There are at least 2 major versions with differing icons and with or without text. In any case I will be happy as long as they look like some version that was produced by Cherry, with the correct font / icons and alignments.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 02 August 2011, 18:25:02: That was just the first draft. All I did was use the lasered logos in one photo I saw. It wasn't necessarily the best choice and it's still a DRAFT!

I'll mock one up of the slanted logo next so we can compare.

Please don't feel like my little doodles are the final say. Speak your mind and we'll come to a consensus.

I have to wait until I get home to do this stuff though, so be patient too!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 03 August 2011, 00:58:19: Here's draft 2:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]23169[/ATTACH]

The windows and menu graphics have been greatly cleaned up. I followed Ed's graphics much more closely. I love the way those ones look, thanks for putting those up.

The menu graphic will more than likely not have the top, central bar on it. Shall we go with the SP version instead? Or just take it out?

The key sample colors will be in the mail tomorrow. I have to reiterate that there is a chance there won't be a better match than the Moogle 1 kit.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 03 August 2011, 01:05:31: I'll draft one up.

Yeah, I think I'll adjust the kerning just a bit to account for that.

Thanks for the input.

EDIT: You have to appreciate those chunky Cherry lines though compared to SP's!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: agor on Wed, 03 August 2011, 02:48:01: How much would shipping to Germany be?
It it's not too much, im in for

(1)WHITE: black legends on beige/grey with white space bar
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Wed, 03 August 2011, 08:38:23: I notice that you're rounding all of the edges based upon the finished result. Is it possible that the vectors that Cherry or SP uses have sharper edges and the roundness of the edges are just a result of the molding process? I just wonder if that might mean that the font will come out even softer and rounder than we intended

EDIT: I agree with the comment below
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: h0ngE on Wed, 03 August 2011, 10:36:31: If the caps lock key isn't stepped I would prefer:

Caps Lock

...in one line instead of:

Caps
Lock

like here:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]23193[/ATTACH]
[http://keyboardporn.com]

... otherwise draft 2 is very nice, cycloverid!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 03 August 2011, 14:10:00: Draft 2 is PERFECT! It has Ed's "Anal Retentive" seal of approval! As to caps lock being 1 or 2 lines - I personally prefer 2 lines left justified like original cherry, but I'm fine with 1 line too.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 03 August 2011, 14:17:13: Quote from: Atenacius;391900
If it's going to be a supplement kit, maybe it should just stay true to the original Cherry keys. It's going to be difficult for everyone to agree on any changes.

EDIT: I guess it wouldn't be fair to just to go with whatever the standard full-sized US layout was. Anyway, I agree that as long as it's some version of the Cherry keys it should be okay. You can't argue too much with that.
But I would gladly trade my windows key for someones older Moogle key with the slanted logo, heh

Doing a new Windows and Menu key costs more than sticking with the much better lookinbg SP ones.

But, becuase I'm not interested in this kit anyway:
If you want to blow your money on these, go ahead!

Quote from: The_Ed;392382
Draft 2 is PERFECT! It has Ed's "Anal Retentive" seal of approval! As to caps lock being 1 or 2 lines - I personally prefer 2 lines left justified like original cherry, but I'm fine with 1 line too.

On a full-touch key it should be one line. The 2 lines are just becuase a 1.25 units field for the text is too small to fit Caps Lock on it.

ps: To give you more ideas about how a Caps Lock key might look like:
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/thumb/b/b2/Cherry19_gross_001.jpg/150px-Cherry19_gross_001.jpg) (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Caps_Lock)

(push the Groß button!)
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 04 August 2011, 01:03:32: For your enjoyment. A couple tests:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]23261[/ATTACH]

Agor: Unfortunately, I can't say what the shipping costs will be to Germany as of this time.

Atenacious: I would hope that things are as accurate as possible in the molding process so that it resembles the original design as closely as possible. What a silly bunch of guesswork that would be otherwise.

7bit: It's possible that if these designs somehow cost a fortunate that I'd be willing to go with the SP windows and menu designs. Otherwise, I personally prefer the Cherry designs. At this point it's totally subjective though.

I kinda like B and D personally.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: calavera on Thu, 04 August 2011, 01:06:41: I personally like A but since there's a chance SP will find a way to mess it up somehow so the arrow doesn't match the shift one on the bottom, C is the most safe choice I think.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 04 August 2011, 01:08:38: I love your work on the font cycloverid. I really hope we can go with your custom designs rather than the standard SP font, as they are a much closer match. As for the Windows and menu keys, I don't really care one way or the other (although your Windows does look really good).

I'd prefer a symbol on caps lock, but I have no strong preference between A and B.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: agor on Thu, 04 August 2011, 01:09:59: Quote from: cycloverid;392708
I kinda like B and D personally.

I'll second this.
But I also have no problems with SP windows/menu keys.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 04 August 2011, 01:14:10: I'll have to see what it looks like on the actual key itself as well. The caps lock with symbols next to the text might just be crowded. But, it could also look fantastic.

EDIT: Maybe when the designs are finalized, we can run a poll with votes or something?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: rightbraingeek on Thu, 04 August 2011, 06:05:05: Quote from: cycloverid;392708
For your enjoyment. A couple tests:

(Attachment) 23261[/ATTACH]

I kinda like B and D personally.

B & D here as well. Nicely done.

And I second h0ngE on the CapsLock.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: rightbraingeek on Thu, 04 August 2011, 07:17:21: Quote from: cycloverid;389517

(possibly - space saver layouts like G80-1800's didn't have a long numpad 0 or + : seems to fit the criteria of this kit)
1X Numpad 0
1X Long +

---KEEP THE ORDERS COMING---

How about adding single key purchase options for all but especially (A)CapsLock(non-stepped) and (B)Right Shift? Seems these two are most often "off" when trying to match a recycled Cherry doubleshot keyboard. I have 3 sets now I'm trying to match in black w/the one missing R-Shift and both missing non-stepped CapsLock.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Thu, 04 August 2011, 08:34:07: Yeah there should be a poll to keep it fair I guess. Even though it seems like my favorite; C, isn't going to be popular
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 05 August 2011, 00:23:21: Well, my worries became a reality. I don't even think we need a vote, the other caps lock designs are out by technicality. There just isn't sufficient room on the key, no point over-thinking it.

Mock-up on keys:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]23334[/ATTACH]
CHERRY LEFT - MOOGLE 2 RIGHT

Simplicity is king. I blame Atenacious for dooming these designs!!

The last factor now is key color. Melissa sent the samples yesterday, so I'll get them hopefully early next week.

Once I get the samples, I'll set a hard last-chance-to-buy date. Then we can sit back and wait for our keyboards to finally be complete!

EDIT: The shift looks a little skinny doesn't it? In fact, many letters look a hair thin.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: jat4 on Fri, 05 August 2011, 00:27:49: If it's still possible to join in,

(1) BLACK

please!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: dux on Fri, 05 August 2011, 04:39:31: Have ever been considered making Enter and Backspace keys? All original Cherry long keys can have problems with wire stabilizers (bottoming out not possible).
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: the_buff on Fri, 05 August 2011, 13:32:22: Did this make it into Group Buy 4?

If not then I'm interested in:
(3) sets of BLACK
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 05 August 2011, 13:53:31: One of the reasons I started this thread was to avoid waiting a year for some keys!

I'd assume everyone else is cool with that.

dux: The only problem I ran into with the long keys is that the stems were a little looser than the Filco's. What kind of board are you using?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: StinkyTofu on Fri, 05 August 2011, 15:13:19: (1)white
(1)black
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: dux on Fri, 05 August 2011, 16:33:46: Quote from: cycloverid;393642
The only problem I ran into with the long keys is that the stems were a little looser than the Filco's. What kind of board are you using?

I have the plu ml87 at the moment. The stabilizer wires are rather thick and long, so the low profile + thick wall of the Cherries make stabilizers hit the wall of the key before the key gets to the bottom. But my Cherry keys are lasered, in a few days I'll get my first Cherry DS so I'll be able to say exactly.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: calavera on Fri, 05 August 2011, 21:37:52: Wondering if people would be interested in a short right shift for the noppoo choco mini keyboards. They're especially hard to get in beige/white.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 05 August 2011, 23:31:10: Hell, I have a short shift you can have if we figure out a cheap way to send it. Or, if I handle the order distribution (which I hope I don't have to!).
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Supergleep on Sat, 06 August 2011, 01:02:43: Quote from: cycloverid;393642
The only problem I ran into with the long keys is that the stems were a little looser than the Filco's. What kind of board are you using?

Easy fix for loose stabilizer stems:

1) Find a sacrificial plastic bag [ATTACH=CONFIG]23403[/ATTACH]
2) Cut of a strip wide enough to cover the width of a key stem [ATTACH=CONFIG]23404[/ATTACH]
3) Cut the strip lengthwise about 1cm long and cover the key stem '+' hole with it [ATTACH=CONFIG]23405[/ATTACH] (sorry for blurry pic)
4) Push the plastic into the key stem with the stabilizer stem. The plastic tightens up the loose stabilizer. [ATTACH=CONFIG]23406[/ATTACH]
5) Voila! No more loose stabilizer, and it's easily reversible with no permanent goop in your doubleshot SP keys! :thumb: [ATTACH=CONFIG]23407[/ATTACH]
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: The_Ed on Sat, 06 August 2011, 18:46:24: I like the menu key design in v2 the most, and v1 is okay, but the new v3 is the worst. The key is supposed to look like a menu of 4 items with the second one highlighted by the cursor arrow. v3 has a white bar over a menu of 3 items with the first one highlighted by the cursor arrow. Go with the v2 menu key, or v1 if SP says the v2 is too detailed to form right. Other than that the rest of "moogle kit 2" looks perfect to original cherry. And yes, I do drive people insane with my perfectionist ways.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: h0ngE on Sat, 06 August 2011, 19:30:36: menu v2 is also my favourite
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 06 August 2011, 20:49:01: Yep, version 2 is the best. That's because it's exactly like the Cherry menu design, but with some very slight changes to account for the manufacturing. Only problem is, the middle bar on top can't be there as it is. So we're left with something like version 1 or 3.

Ed: 'Perfectionist' or opinionated ? :P

Version 3 seems technically superior. When you click on a tool bar menu, a combo box drops down with a list of items. The tool bar menu field is a completely separate object. To separate the two is actually visually more organized, intuitive, and functionally accurate. But, maybe people will like version 1 more because of its more consistent look to the original Cherry design. That is certainly a valid argument. A vote is possibly in order?

I got the samples from Signature Plastics today - which was a lot faster than I expected. Without a doubt GAW is the best match for beige. The other close color (WAR - sounds cool huh?) is actually the same as GAW (proof: SP said it themselves). Just eye-balling it, GAW looks almost indistinguishable from the Cherry beige. Does anyone want photos?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: lootbag on Sat, 06 August 2011, 21:05:53: (1) WHITE

please and thanks!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: CeeSA on Mon, 08 August 2011, 02:12:26: CeeSA (1)WHITE (1)BLACK
thanks
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: arc2 on Tue, 09 August 2011, 01:50:00: arc2 (2)WHITE (2)BLACK

Thanks!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Grond on Tue, 09 August 2011, 05:04:05: I guess it's mostly windows users here, but personally I won't be using windows keys nor the menu key. I'd like to suggest to include a neutral system key (maybe a cherry "star" key) and a blank, if anyone is interested...
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 09 August 2011, 08:19:20: The whole point of this kit is to duplicate a specific style of keys from Cherry. If you want some random other key, hit up GB4.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 09 August 2011, 12:59:08: Just wanted to say:

The legend boldness between the white/beige and the black keys are different. The black keys have noticeably bolder legends. I've seen this for a while now, just refused to admit it until it came time to measure.

The workaround using only one set of legends is obviously to go in between the two. Personally, I'm okay with this - seeing as the discrepancy will be minimal.

:( Thoughts?

I finished the legends. I ultimately went with a menu design as some of you have referred to as version 1 (I think more people will be happy with this). I will try to see if I can get the exact pricing today.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 09 August 2011, 13:40:22: Ripster!

I was just looking through your nice high res shots for examples of this. The individual letters are very much the same, but check out the control, shift, alt, etc. On these keys, the boldness is in fact different... unless you have examples of models that I'm not looking at.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:21:56: It could just be different affects from the molding process when the plastics fuse together.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: dux on Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:15:26: Quote from: cycloverid;394405
Just eye-balling it, GAW looks almost indistinguishable from the Cherry beige. Does anyone want photos?

I'll just believe you. Starting this group buy does mean you are perfectionist enough.

So please, I would like to change my order from (2)BLACK to (1)WHITE and (1)BLACK.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:32:32: dux: the color will be the same as in the last group buy. Comparing a molded key to a flat plastic strip by eye isn't the most exact process though. It looks very close though, and it is easily the closest match they have. We don't really have another option anyway :)

Regarding legend boldness:

Optical illusion is what my intuition told me at first. But under close examination, they are clearly different on a digital image. The material interaction could be a possibility - but that makes my head ache a bit.

Unfortunately, I don't actually HAVE a cherry black key set. I have a couple sets of white/beige. If I could get a single black control, alt, windows, etc key I could measure them with a more exact instrument (ex: calipers). Otherwise it's going to be digital overlays.. which will probably turn out just fine. Either way, it's going to be damn close.

EDIT: Like I said earlier, I have a finalized legend set that is basically exactly between white and black boldness, we're talking .07mm difference. It's very, very close to both.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:41:18: Sounds awesome. I'm sure if it were to be sent out now, the result would still be a vast improvement over the original. Don't kill yourself over it, it's going to be great
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: litster on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:00:20: So, are we ready to pre-pay and get the order to SP? Thanks.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Torgee on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:02:43: (1) WHITE

for me pls,
thx

edit: removed black set from order
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:02:45: I'm working on getting pricing. There is apparently a problem with the submitted SVG's. Something about fonts needing a line through the middle? Working it out...

I'll get a final price and probably set a hard lock date for orders for the end of the week possibly.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 09 August 2011, 17:55:37: The process (on the wiki here) for setting up an SVG file to be submitted to Signature Plastics failed to mention a critical aspect of their process: the cutter follows the guide path (or single line) and a thickness is then assigned.

In other words, my current files are incorrect and need to be redone. I'll need some time to do this... very frustrating.

Interesting that this kind of information isn't more readily available. As if everyone submitting SVG files to them already understands their process.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Tue, 09 August 2011, 18:49:01: Quote from: cycloverid;396098
The process (on the wiki here) for setting up an SVG file to be submitted to Signature Plastics failed to mention a critical aspect of their process: the cutter follows the guide path (or single line) and a thickness is then assigned.

In other words, my current files are incorrect and need to be redone. I'll need some time to do this... very frustrating.

Interesting that this kind of information isn't more readily available. As if everyone submitting SVG files to them already understands their process.

That sounds really limited for designing custom fonts but really easy to set up simple ones at the same time. If only this had been brought to light sooner.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 09 August 2011, 19:06:46: On the bright side, the width seems consistent overall on a Cherry keyboard. So, I'd venture a guess that the process is similar in the old Cherry manufacturing as well? Might also explain why older letters/symbols are round and newer ones are sharp.

Much more limited than I imagined though, yes. Might want to update the wiki with this.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: soulfree914 on Tue, 09 August 2011, 21:05:29: Is there any possibility of adding a winkeyless set? (1.5 ctrl, alt.. 7'' space bar.. etc.)
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 10 August 2011, 15:41:15: soulfree914: it seems like most people don't need these keys, so probably no. I have a couple extras though (probably one good set + one fairly used set) of the white/beige. If I somehow end up sending these out I'll include them for you in your order.

I know a couple of you are probably getting impatient at this point - So here's an update on how things are going:

This weekend is totally booked for me. I wasn't planning on having a lot to do this weekend since I thought everything was mostly finalized. I will work extra hard on monday/tuesday after work to finish these to the new specifications and then send them out to SP.

Again, sorry everyone. Please be patient for the next few days.... and then we can do pre-payments and get these things started.

EDIT: This thread is getting somewhat messy. As soon as send out the SVG's, I think I'll start a new [Group Buy] thread with the current order list.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 10 August 2011, 16:11:31: I'd like to remove my interest in the white set. I no longer have any need for it.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: iWuzHere on Thu, 11 August 2011, 19:45:55: Could i please get a set of (1) WHITE
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: the_buff on Fri, 12 August 2011, 23:43:14: Add a set of (1) White to mine.

Thanks
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 12 August 2011, 23:47:31: I'd like to change my order (back) to:

(1) BLACK
(1) WHITE

When is the cut-off?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: gilgam on Sat, 13 August 2011, 11:31:44: (1) BLACK
(1) WHITE
i have to order via GB4 yes ?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: soulfree914 on Sat, 13 August 2011, 22:30:55: Quote from: cycloverid;396608
soulfree914: it seems like most people don't need these keys, so probably no. I have a couple extras though (probably one good set + one fairly used set) of the white/beige. If I somehow end up sending these out I'll include them for you in your order.

Thanks! I certainly appreciate that. Anything you need from my side? I'll try to find it here(OTD, KBDMANIA) if you are looking for anything in particular..
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Post by: Atenacius on Sat, 13 August 2011, 22:50:59: Quote from: gilgam;398238
(1) BLACK
(1) WHITE
i have to order via GB4 yes ?

No, this is separate from Group Buy 4 so that we can can these quicker.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: soulfree914 on Tue, 16 August 2011, 08:36:11: cycloverid: Can you add 2 BLACK sets to my previous request? (that is... 2 BLACKs, 3 WHITEs in total)
Thanks! :-)
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Goly on Tue, 16 August 2011, 17:28:44: We are more than 100 \o/

When it's going to be the cut off?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 16 August 2011, 17:36:14: Sorry guys, very unproductive weekend as I said it would be last week.

There is no official cutoff date yet. As soon as I submit the new SVG files (I will in the next couple days), I will create a new order thread with all the existing orders and a cut-off date.

You will not have to resubmit anything unless you want something changed.

Sorry for the hiatus, things will resume soon.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: soulfree914 on Tue, 16 August 2011, 23:39:42: Please update my order to: WHITE 5, BLACK 2
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: litster on Wed, 17 August 2011, 00:15:45: Quote from: soulfree914;400207
Please update my order to: WHITE 5, BLACK 2

Wow! You have so many sets of white Cherry?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: kidchunks on Wed, 17 August 2011, 08:47:55: (1)BLACK

Thanks!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: soulfree914 on Wed, 17 August 2011, 20:24:22: Quote from: litster;400221
Wow! You have so many sets of white Cherry?

Nope. two sets are for my friend.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 19 August 2011, 18:43:50: Well, I submitted the final SVG files. Everything is okay there, and the prices are reasonable. But.....

UNEXPECTED SURPRISE #2

I've been JUST told now that pricing can't be combined on multiple colors. So, this means that if we get 50 white and 50 black keys, it's essentially like we're paying for 100 sets at a 50 set rate. Make sense?

The pricing is also very high for 50 sets. When I originally asked for pricing for 9 keys, she said it was $12 if we hit 50 sets. Now she is quoting the price at $16 for one additional key at 50 sets. This company certainly doesn't make things plain and simple.

Personally, I'm confused. I'm okay with paying like $18-19 per set myself, but I know some of you were expecting possibly a lot less.

Looks like I won't have a grand total price until Monday though.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: N8N on Fri, 19 August 2011, 19:01:39: I'm not ecstatic about the pricing, but I'd still be in for a few sets... otherwise my poor keyboard will look all mismatched and unhappy. (yeah, I know, the same was true of the Cherry keyboard I stole the doubleshots from, but still, my desk deserves better.) And I'm hoping that the GB for the white doubleshots works out, 'cause I really want some of those.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: xbb on Fri, 19 August 2011, 19:18:45: Quote from: cycloverid;401932
Well, I submitted the final SVG files. Everything is okay there, and the prices are reasonable. But.....

UNEXPECTED SURPRISE #2

I've been JUST told now that pricing can't be combined on multiple colors. So, this means that if we get 50 white and 50 black keys, it's essentially like we're paying for 100 sets at a 50 set rate. Make sense?

The pricing is also very high for 50 sets. When I originally asked for pricing for 9 keys, she said it was $12 if we hit 50 sets. Now she is quoting the price at $16 for one additional key at 50 sets. This company certainly doesn't make things plain and simple.

Personally, I'm confused. I'm okay with paying like $18-19 per set myself, but I know some of you were expecting possibly a lot less.

Looks like I won't have a grand total price until Monday though.
I'm ok with that as long they don't make mistakes!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Fri, 19 August 2011, 19:37:59: I'm still in, this is the only way we can complete our sets without having to modify pieces ourselves. Reaching 50 for white seems harder, though.

I do want to try to stay below $19-20. They shouldn't be telling you figures and then changing it up on you like that.

Edit: I guess I underestimated the demand for white sets only because I didn't need them. Sounds like that works out well. I thought we would be short by 20
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 19 August 2011, 19:40:48: I'm going to also be ordering one test key that will ship first. Any mistakes should be caught here and corrected before all the rest are manufactured.

At $65 it is well worth the security in my mind. Split more than a hundred ways, this shouldn't be an issue as far as cost.

Atenacious: I did a quick count and it's like 52 Black, 55 White
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: the_buff on Fri, 19 August 2011, 21:01:18: Hmmmm....make that 51 Black and 55 White

At $18-19 a set I'm going to need to have you move me from

(3) BLACK and (1) WHITE

to

(2) BLACK and (1) WHITE
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Atenacius on Fri, 19 August 2011, 21:31:56: I hope everyone is keeping track of the updates. Others may want to pull out with the price change. Is there a way to mass PM everyone?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: spdx on Sat, 20 August 2011, 02:55:09: I'm in for 2 x Blacks.
Thanks a lot.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: Grond on Sat, 20 August 2011, 03:02:04: I guess if the final price is too high we could merge this MO with Round4. And wait forever, I know. But personally, I won't spend more than 20/25$ for one set.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: kaiserreich on Sat, 20 August 2011, 03:23:00: Quote from: Atenacius;402001
I hope everyone is keeping track of the updates. Others may want to pull out with the price change. Is there a way to mass PM everyone?

I think aggiejy‎ mass PMed everyone using scripts for the RGB keycaps
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: agor on Sat, 20 August 2011, 03:27:25: You could also just update the opening post with the latest news, I find it difficult to keep track over the various pages and if I would try to find the latest picture I would be lost
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: gilgam on Sat, 20 August 2011, 07:29:33: Update my order please :-)

2 black and
2 white
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: rightbraingeek on Sat, 20 August 2011, 10:42:15: Quote from: cycloverid;401932

Personally, I'm confused. I'm okay with paying like $18-19 per set myself, but I know some of you were expecting possibly a lot less.

Very true. My cost went from 6 x $13 = $78 to $114 wo/shipping; I would need to lower my order total; probably cut the number of sets down to 3-4.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 20 August 2011, 15:43:58: Hey guys,

I'm just updating those of you following this thread with the latest news. Don't feel like anyone is going to miss out on the info.

I will definitely be starting a new order thread, which clearly states all the final pricing. I originally expected all of this to be a lot simpler.

Updating the main page isn't a bad idea at all though to get an idea sooner than later of the numbers. I do hope we can keep the orders around 90+, but I do expect anyone with 3-6 sets to drop 1-3.

*** Everyone marked like this has 4 or more orders that have not confirmed based on the new pricing.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: xbb on Sat, 20 August 2011, 16:10:48: Quote from: cycloverid;402390
Hey guys,

I'm just updating those of you following this thread with the latest news. Don't feel like anyone is going to miss out on the info.

I will definitely be starting a new order thread, which clearly states all the final pricing. I originally expected all of this to be a lot simpler.

Updating the main page isn't a bad idea at all though to get an idea sooner than later of the numbers. I do hope we can keep the orders around 90+, but I do expect anyone with 3-6 sets to drop 1-3.

*** Everyone marked like this has 4 or more orders that have not confirmed based on the new pricing.
I'm ok with the pricing
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: soulfree914 on Sun, 21 August 2011, 11:48:29: Quote from: cycloverid;402390
Hey guys,

I'm just updating those of you following this thread with the latest news. Don't feel like anyone is going to miss out on the info.

I will definitely be starting a new order thread, which clearly states all the final pricing. I originally expected all of this to be a lot simpler.

Updating the main page isn't a bad idea at all though to get an idea sooner than later of the numbers. I do hope we can keep the orders around 90+, but I do expect anyone with 3-6 sets to drop 1-3.

*** Everyone marked like this has 4 or more orders that have not confirmed based on the new pricing.

I'm still in for the same quantity. (and I hope you can still include those cherry winkeyless 1.5 keycaps :-))
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: litster on Sun, 21 August 2011, 12:23:40: I am keeping my order number, as long as we get them before Group Buy Round 4 :D
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: MissileMike on Mon, 22 August 2011, 06:55:42: In for 3x black!
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: arc2 on Wed, 24 August 2011, 17:36:03: Sorry I would like to cancel my order, thanks.
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: dux on Sun, 28 August 2011, 14:54:37: One word: when?
Title: [Interest Check] Moogle Kit 2: Supplement Cherry Double Shots
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 28 August 2011, 15:09:59: Everyone is at the afterparty dux: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?21283-Group-Buy-Moogle-Kit-2-FINAL-ORDERS-LAST-DAY-8-25