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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #150 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:06:14 »
Can you autograph mine?

we are talking about the feasibility of this thing with MD, it won't be easy, though. The best thing is probably if I sign a card that will be bundled inside the box.

I honestly was joshing, but that would be awesome!

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #151 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:12:16 »
PS: Alps compatibility is something we discussed at some point, but it would add too much complexity to an already complex projrct, in the future... who knows...

Since the board has been designed with the help of Input Club it should be feasible, since they have alrerady done it for their Infinity pcb. Granted, the Whitefox pcb is more complex (LEDs) but slightly larger pads may not be that big of a hurdle. I would gladly give it a try once the files are released if I knew how to use KiCad.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #152 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:15:00 »
Push the boundaries and spread the Alps love!  :thumb: As long as you have the patience for it, it's definitely possible to modify an MX PCB for Alps compatibility. Maybe Matt3o will add it for a later revision. :)

Why stop at Alps when we have all this Topre to love.  We need a way to boost the new Topre keycaps anyway, this would be perfect  :thumb:

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #153 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:39:19 »
PS: Alps compatibility is something we discussed at some point, but it would add too much complexity to an already complex projrct, in the future... who knows...

Since the board has been designed with the help of Input Club it should be feasible, since they have alrerady done it for their Infinity pcb. Granted, the Whitefox pcb is more complex (LEDs) but slightly larger pads may not be that big of a hurdle. I would gladly give it a try once the files are released if I knew how to use KiCad.

it's not a technical issue but more logistics (more switch options for one). I learned that it's easier to design a product than actually bring it to your home.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #154 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:51:10 »
That's a fair point :D I had not considered the logistical side of things obviously.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #155 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 15:39:28 »

Can you autograph mine?

we are talking about the feasibility of this thing with MD, it won't be easy, though. The best thing is probably if I sign a card that will be bundled inside the box.

PS: Alps compatibility is something we discussed at some point, but it would add too much complexity to an already complex projrct, in the future... who knows...

I'm sure there's some way you can sign something digitally and have it sent over the tubes into a robot hand that translates your signature :D


Is there any way to get the LEDs on their own? I have switches and keycaps but I've got no LEDs due to relying on sethk's GB.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #156 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 16:20:01 »

Can you autograph mine?

we are talking about the feasibility of this thing with MD, it won't be easy, though. The best thing is probably if I sign a card that will be bundled inside the box.

PS: Alps compatibility is something we discussed at some point, but it would add too much complexity to an already complex projrct, in the future... who knows...

I'm sure there's some way you can sign something digitally and have it sent over the tubes into a robot hand that translates your signature :D


Is there any way to get the LEDs on their own? I have switches and keycaps but I've got no LEDs due to relying on sethk's GB.

The FAQ at this link should give you what you need to source LEDs.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #157 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 16:22:04 »
Search for "1.8 mm LEDs" on ebay and you should be set (most kinds of 3 mm LEDs should work as well, but 1.8 mm are shorter, which does not hurt if you want to use thick keycaps).

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #158 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 16:33:22 »
I'll try to keep the base kit as bare bone as possible, so more experienced users can get a WF at a very interesting price point.

LEDs are very easy to source (ebay, mouser, farnell, ...) and cost basically nothing.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #159 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 20:14:19 »
I'll try to keep the base kit as bare bone as possible, so more experienced users can get a WF at a very interesting price point.

LEDs are very easy to source (ebay, mouser, farnell, ...) and cost basically nothing.

Awesome, definitely glad to hear that. LEDs are pretty cheap, I always use eBay and getting a U.S. seller is a little more but ships so much faster in the states but still pretty cheap for a pack of 100.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #160 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 20:25:47 »
Wait, so how do the plates work, can I not get an iso winkeyless plate? Do I have to choose between the two?
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #161 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 20:45:56 »
Estimated ship date is 23 Dec? :O

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #162 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 20:51:15 »
Estimated ship date is 23 Dec? :O

Yeah, when I saw that I was extremely surprised. I think Massdrop may have gotten it wrong since Matt3o said it wouldn't be shipped until like February.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #163 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 20:57:06 »
does anyone know the estimated price for this?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #164 on: Wed, 09 December 2015, 21:25:36 »
How heavy is the whole keyboard? I'm not quite sure how exactly the alu bottom is built. Is it just like a low-profile tray that gets "capped" by the plate, which also serves as the case top?

Also I just realized those keycaps are dyesubbed Gateron! Hype! Wish I could buy another full TKL set...

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #165 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 01:58:51 »
Matt3o, suppose I want to order a custom plate elsewhere, because the options given do not please me. If I use the plate builder tool from swill, what are the configurations I must use on screw diameter (probably 2mm, you said you use M2 screws), width & height paddings and corner radius?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #166 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 02:41:13 »
How heavy is the whole keyboard? I'm not quite sure how exactly the alu bottom is built. Is it just like a low-profile tray that gets "capped" by the plate, which also serves as the case top?

Also I just realized those keycaps are dyesubbed Gateron! Hype! Wish I could buy another full TKL set...

Keyboard weights approx 800g. The case is a tray covered by the switch plate, the plate is also the case top. The top is flush tough not recessed.

Matt3o, suppose I want to order a custom plate elsewhere, because the options given do not please me. If I use the plate builder tool from swill, what are the configurations I must use on screw diameter (probably 2mm, you said you use M2 screws), width & height paddings and corner radius?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #167 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 08:49:13 »
Will there be a way to get a 1.75 control key?
I just saw this and am in love with true fox except the caps lock key which i would prefer to switch to control
Also what switches are people looking to get with this, for someone who's new to Cherry switches which ones would you recommend for gaming?
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #168 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 08:52:42 »
They opened a discussion page for the board on Massdrop. You can find it here.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #169 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 08:53:42 »
Zealios are all the rage, but you can't go wrong with Reds or evens Blacks for gaming. There is no best switch for any kind of use anyway, it's down to anyone's preferences. If you search the forum you'll find tons of threads named "are Reds good for typing" or "are Clears good for gaming" and lots of people answering "yes, they are".

Also according to the mockup on MD there will be 1.75 control and fn keys to replace capslock.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #170 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 08:54:31 »
Will there be a way to get a 1.75 control key?

look closer at the available keycaps :)

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #171 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 09:13:04 »
Zealios are all the rage, but you can't go wrong with Reds or evens Blacks for gaming. There is no best switch for any kind of use anyway, it's down to anyone's preferences. If you search the forum you'll find tons of threads named "are Reds good for typing" or "are Clears good for gaming" and lots of people answering "yes, they are".

Also according to the mockup on MD there will be 1.75 control and fn keys to replace capslock.

Will there be a way to get a 1.75 control key?

look closer at the available keycaps :)

Thanks guys, didn't see the extra pictures on MassDrop.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #172 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 09:26:51 »
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?

that's the one million dollar question. I despise tactile switches, for me only clicky or linear, with a preference on MX white, green (for clicky) and black (for linear). So I'll probably have one with linear zaelios and one with possibly mx white (just because of WHITE fox)

PS: the one I have now is a variable Cherry MX green+blue+white. It's pretty nice actually.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #173 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 09:36:14 »
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?

that's the one million dollar question. I despise tactile switches, for me only clicky or linear, with a preference on MX white, green (for clicky) and black (for linear). So I'll probably have one with linear zaelios and one with possibly mx white (just because of WHITE fox)

PS: the one I have now is a variable Cherry MX green+blue+white. It's pretty nice actually.

I don't know why it bothers me, but is it "Matt3o" or "matt3o"? I always thought the "M" was uppercase, but Massdrop wrote it all lowercase.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #174 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 09:41:25 »
OK thats decided it for me. Going to get it in True Fox fully assembled with Zealio's (I've never soldered before, and don't want to mess up on such a beautiful design)

Now i just want to get a Limited Edition one as well :(
Could you make the Limited Edition one Bluetooth. That would make it even more special :)

          
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #175 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 09:51:28 »
I don't know why it bothers me, but is it "Matt3o" or "matt3o"? I always thought the "M" was uppercase, but Massdrop wrote it all lowercase.

They are both correct :)

matt3o is when I feel more robotic, Matt3o is for the human part.

OK thats decided it for me. Going to get it in True Fox fully assembled with Zealio's (I've never soldered before, and don't want to mess up on such a beautiful design)

Now i just want to get a Limited Edition one as well :(
Could you make the Limited Edition one Bluetooth. That would make it even more special :)

there will be possibly a bluetooth version, but it will take some time and I'm not sure the case could be full alu (due to interference).

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #176 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 09:54:37 »
there will be possibly a bluetooth version,

:eek:

I could totally see a bluetooth version of this being something I would use.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #177 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 09:55:08 »
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?

that's the one million dollar question. I despise tactile switches, for me only clicky or linear, with a preference on MX white, green (for clicky) and black (for linear). So I'll probably have one with linear zaelios and one with possibly mx white (just because of WHITE fox)

PS: the one I have now is a variable Cherry MX green+blue+white. It's pretty nice actually.

I've been debating on the switch to use as well and I think you just helped me make up my mind -- MX White with white tops!

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #178 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 10:01:20 »
The whitefox is now TMK ready! https://github.com/tmk/whitefox thanks to Hasu!


I've been debating on the switch to use as well and I think you just helped me make up my mind -- MX White with white tops!

that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #179 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 10:18:50 »
Any chance that this will support Alps?

I am all about pushing the Alps love over here!

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #180 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 10:22:00 »
Any chance that this will support Alps?

I am all about pushing the Alps love over here!

It's already been mentioned in this thread and in the OP it's only supporting MX. You'd have to do a mod like E3E did on his Eagle PCB.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #181 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:01:57 »
Just trying to see if we can change some minds. this thing looks just great. Modded Gateron Blues can only get you so close.......

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #182 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:16:54 »
Just trying to see if we can change some minds. this thing looks just great. Modded Gateron Blues can only get you so close.......

I'd be happy to modify it to Alps for you if you're really itching for an Alps 65%.  :thumb:

Would have to take a gander at how close the traces are to each other, but regardless, it could most likely be done.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #183 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:37:40 »
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?

I got them as part of the original AboStudio Group Buy kinruan did back in --  :eek: YIKES  :eek: -- 2013.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #184 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 16:43:09 »
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?

I got them as part of the original AboStudio Group Buy kinruan did back in --  :eek: YIKES  :eek: -- 2013.

I'll probably have to rape some gaterons :)

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #185 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 17:25:33 »
I'd be happy to modify it to Alps
Depending on the details, maybe the best route would be to open-source the PCB files sometime near the close of orders, then you can adjust the PCB to be ALPS-only, then have a separate (PCB-Only?) GB for Alps-Adjusted-Whitefox.

But I have to side with Matt3o that concentrating on a single product, makes it more likely to be completely produced.

(but I have to agree with ChildOfTheHorn that a good ALPS PCB would be awesome. )

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #186 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 18:13:30 »
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?

I got them as part of the original AboStudio Group Buy kinruan did back in --  :eek: YIKES  :eek: -- 2013.

I'll probably have to rape some gaterons :)

Yeah. There's no Gateron equivalent for an MX-White is there?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #187 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 18:21:24 »
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?

I got them as part of the original AboStudio Group Buy kinruan did back in --  :eek: YIKES  :eek: -- 2013.

I'll probably have to rape some gaterons :)

Yeah. There's no Gateron equivalent for an MX-White is there?

Nah. Whites are clicky, but a very soft click. I guess you'd have Gateron Blues and mod them somehow to make them quieter. More work than its worth, I'm sure.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #188 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 18:23:47 »
that's actually a very nice idea. where do you get the white tops?

I got them as part of the original AboStudio Group Buy kinruan did back in --  :eek: YIKES  :eek: -- 2013.

I'll probably have to rape some gaterons :)

Yeah. There's no Gateron equivalent for an MX-White is there?

Nah. Whites are clicky, but a very soft click. I guess you'd have Gateron Blues and mod them somehow to make them quieter. More work than its worth, I'm sure.

Yeah. If you don't mind opening all the switches, I hear that it's just a matter of more lube on the slider's legs, but that might be speculation rather than fact. I can't be sure. All I know is that I want some damn vintage MX whites. :P

In general, I think it's stated that lubing clicky switches in the MX family quiets their clicks a bit.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #189 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 22:07:06 »
This is one awesome keyboard, and I definitely want one. I have a few questions though. Will we be able to get parts by themselves? For example, just the case or just the PCB and plate. Sorry of this has been answered already.

Also, do you have any tips for building a keyboard from scratch? I wanted to try and make a keyboard, but I am very much a beginner.
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« Reply #190 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 22:13:10 »
Also, do you have any tips for building a keyboard from scratch?
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #191 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 22:58:04 »
there will be possibly a bluetooth version,

:eek:

I could totally see a bluetooth version of this being something I would use.

+1  I could see myself using a bluetooth WhiteFox as my media center keyboard.  :thumb:

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #192 on: Thu, 10 December 2015, 23:22:41 »
+1  I could see myself using a bluetooth WhiteFox as my media center keyboard.  :thumb:
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #193 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 01:53:13 »
Quantity update bumped this to 1,000.  The drop strikes tonight

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #194 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:04:20 »
Buy is live! I did not expect this price, and fully assembled is only another $15. That's a great deal. I'm really sad to see that it's only compatible with costar stabs, though, I despise them with a passion :(

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #195 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:04:59 »
will this drop have a bluetooth option?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #196 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:09:35 »
Argh can't get it assembled with Zealios. At the moment i've ordered it as a kit, but wondering what people would recommend if I get an assembled board?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #197 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:17:32 »
Argh can't get it assembled with Zealios. At the moment i've ordered it as a kit, but wondering what people would recommend if I get an assembled board?

Will it be hard to assemble for someone who has 0 experience of soldering?

Not at all. Soldering is easy peasy. Just don't hold the iron to the switch pins for too long because you might melt the housings. Just enough for the solder to wet the pin and the pad and create a secure joint. Switch soldering is one of the easiest things to do. Don't be intimidated!  :thumb:

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #198 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:22:06 »
I remembered matt3o mentioned wanting to keep the production at 500. Was it MD that went against your will for 1000 units?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #199 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:46:50 »
I remembered matt3o mentioned wanting to keep the production at 500. Was it MD that went against your will for 1000 units?

we are dealing with OEMs to get the best pricing possible, so 1000 is not really that much (actually the bare minimum)