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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #200 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:50:33 »
Argh can't get it assembled with Zealios. At the moment i've ordered it as a kit, but wondering what people would recommend if I get an assembled board?

Will it be hard to assemble for someone who has 0 experience of soldering?

Not at all. Soldering is easy peasy. Just don't hold the iron to the switch pins for too long because you might melt the housings. Just enough for the solder to wet the pin and the pad and create a secure joint. Switch soldering is one of the easiest things to do. Don't be intimidated!  :thumb:

Any quick reference guides you could link us to for switch soldering to illustrate? I could probably just go check the wiki's, but simpler to ask! :)

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #201 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:55:00 »
I remembered matt3o mentioned wanting to keep the production at 500. Was it MD that went against your will for 1000 units?

we are dealing with OEMs to get the best pricing possible, so 1000 is not really that much (actually the bare minimum)

Given the sales numbers not even an hour after the debut, I think that was probably a good decision. Is it too early to call this a stunning success?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #202 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 02:58:32 »
Any quick reference guides you could link us to for switch soldering to illustrate? I could probably just go check the wiki's, but simpler to ask! :)
Soldering is much easier than I thought it would be before I started. It's more about knowing the right technique, and using the right equipment than having nimble fingers and a steady hand. I seem to remember watching a few videos from EEVblog when I first started. Anyhow invest a few hours researching, you'll be happy you did.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #203 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 03:25:43 »
I remembered matt3o mentioned wanting to keep the production at 500. Was it MD that went against your will for 1000 units?

Agreed! I am also a noob when it comes to soldering, but I read up a lot here and followed build logs of others and it helped me a lot. Now I feel like I know more what to watch out for. I am using a Teensy to covert an old Apple keyboard to USB and will harvest switches from another keyboard to use in my Monarch keyboard. This is all good experience for putting together a board of my own. This one might be it.

I say you can do it if you arm yourself with some knowledge and the right tools.

Failing all that you might find someone to assemble it for you. :D

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #204 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 03:26:59 »
Just entered the drop. Really excited about it.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #205 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 03:36:18 »
Given the sales numbers not even an hour after the debut, I think that was probably a good decision. Is it too early to call this a stunning success?

not until everybody get a working WhiteFox on their hands.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #206 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 04:41:40 »
Does it come with the cable i see in the pics on Massdrop?
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #207 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 04:42:28 »

Does it come with the cable i see in the pics on Massdrop?
If not where can i get a cable like that from?

I don't know, but you can get those cables from pexonpcs or zeal for example.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #208 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 04:49:37 »
Does it come with the cable i see in the pics on Massdrop?
If not where can i get a cable like that from?

cable is included

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #209 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 06:12:13 »
Congrats to matt on getting this to where it is, really looking good and I'm glad so many people are excited. Personally looking forward to a premium edition.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #210 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 06:24:36 »
"Estimated ship date is March 28, 2016"

3 months is plenty of time to make a custom plate. Correct me if these (mostly guess) specs are wrong, Matt3o:
  • 8 mounting holes, diameter = 2mm
  • Width padding: 4mm
  • Height padding: 4mm
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #211 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 06:34:16 »
"Estimated ship date is March 28, 2016"

3 months is plenty of time to make a custom plate. Correct me if these (mostly guess) specs are wrong, Matt3o:
  • 8 mounting holes, diameter = 2mm
  • Width padding: 4mm
  • Height padding: 4mm
  • Plate corner radius: 2mm

I'll give you full specs in the coming days, but seems pretty much right. The corner radius should be something more than that. Have to check.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #212 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 07:22:36 »
I just ordered The True Fox with Gateron Blues (because I haven't tried their blues yet). I can't wait! They're selling like hotcakes, congratulations Matt3o!

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #213 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 07:40:38 »
Is there a reason Zealios don't come assembled? Are they in ZealPC's stock only?
Also, why are assembled boards cheaper than kits?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #214 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 07:56:38 »
Ordered a kit with MX-Whites. Was going to do the Bare Bones, but I wanted the key caps and figured I'd go ahead and get the switches too.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #215 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 08:05:24 »
Ordered a kit with MX-Whites. Was going to do the Bare Bones, but I wanted the key caps and figured I'd go ahead and get the switches too.

From what I can tell, pricing is accurate. The Gaterons are cheaper than Cherry, so while the assembled Gateron costs more than the Gateron kit, it's still cheaper than the Cherry kit.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #216 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 08:18:11 »
It probably wouldn't hurt if some of our esteemed SMEs in here would post some of their recommended videos for how to "best practices" in soldering a keyboard, even a reference or two to another thread they (me) could read while we patiently wait for the shipments to come in next year.  If some could throw in the specifics on temperature setting (F or C) and the exact solder type to use.  For those (me) with a Hakko FX-888D (soldering iron), soldering tip to use (bevel, chisel tip, needle point), and a FR300 (desoldering iron for mistakes), it would go a long way for a few (me).

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #217 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 08:20:34 »
The Living Soldering Thread is a good place to start.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42824.0

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #218 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 08:21:51 »
Hey Matt3o, what can we do about the limited edition options that didn't make it in this first round?  Is Kunal working on this or are we just on hold?  Seems we can make something possible as a separate GB for those pieces similar to what MD did when they ran the infinity parts.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #219 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 08:36:22 »
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?

that's the one million dollar question. I despise tactile switches, for me only clicky or linear, with a preference on MX white, green (for clicky) and black (for linear). So I'll probably have one with linear zaelios and one with possibly mx white (just because of WHITE fox)

PS: the one I have now is a variable Cherry MX green+blue+white. It's pretty nice actually.

Are there any quick references I can look at with respect to the Zealio Linear options vs Cherry Black & Red?

I ordered this board in Gateron Red to see how "smooth" it is compared to MX Red, but the Zealio Linear options are intriguing as well - something to consider for a second run with the special edition.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #220 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 09:27:58 »
I think Ill hold out for the special edition and hopefully its not too much more expensive. Will there be another regular run too?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #221 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 09:29:23 »
wait, what's this about a special edition?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #222 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 09:32:20 »
Hey Matt3o, what can we do about the limited edition options that didn't make it in this first round?  Is Kunal working on this or are we just on hold?  Seems we can make something possible as a separate GB for those pieces similar to what MD did when they ran the infinity parts.

considering the number of orders in less than 24h it is very likely that we will run more in the future. But it's still early to say, we have to see if everything in production goes smooth.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #223 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 09:49:29 »
Glad I as able to get in on this before all 500 orders are up!

Congrats Matt3o on another super awesome and successful creation! And thank you for bringing it to the community <3

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #224 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 09:58:38 »
Glad I as able to get in on this before all 500 orders are up!

Congrats Matt3o on another super awesome and successful creation! And thank you for bringing it to the community <3

It's been extended to 1,000. So far we're over 400 (in less than 24 hours)!

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #225 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 10:15:08 »
Glad I as able to get in on this before all 500 orders are up!

Congrats Matt3o on another super awesome and successful creation! And thank you for bringing it to the community <3

It's been extended to 1,000. So far we're over 400 (in less than 24 hours)!

That's mad, will the production time stay the same though?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #226 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 10:31:08 »
I just ordered The True Fox with Gateron Blues (because I haven't tried their blues yet). I can't wait! They're selling like hotcakes, congratulations Matt3o!

I got the same thing!  :thumb: I think part of it was that sexy photo they're using that show the clear switch tops sticking out.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #227 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 10:52:29 »
I jumped on the drop from my mobile to make sure that I didn't miss out, so I didn't focus too much on the pricing. Now that I'm reviewing my order on my desktop, I'm amazed at some of the pricing. Matt3o, you did an amazing job providing assembled boards!

Here's a breakdown of what the prices are if you're looking for a clicky switch:

$109.99 -  Barebones (-$60)
$169.99 - DIY Kit with Gateron Blue
$184.99 - Assembled with Gateron Blue (+15)
$189.99 - DIY Kit with Cherry MX-Blue (+20)
$204.99 - Assembled with Cherry MX-Blue (+$35)
$219.99 - DIY Kit with Cherry MX-White (+$50)

Unfortunately, the option I want is the most expensive, but I'm really impressed at the assembled prices. If you want stock Gateron switches, I don't know why you would opt for the assembled board for only $15 more.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #228 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 10:57:48 »
I do not want to miss out on this, but im short on $ to invest in a long term project :/
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #229 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 10:58:44 »
I do not want to miss out on this, but im short on $ to invest in a long term project :/

I'm in the same boat as you, trying to save to splurge on a new monitor but I've been waiting so long for this board to be released. :(

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #230 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 11:04:03 »
wait, what's this about a special edition?

From the OP:
As a side note, I'm fighting (and seems that I won the battle) for a limited edition WhiteFox, available in only one layout (#5 the true fox) with dark gold anodized case and black on dark-gray keycaps. That it is expected to be a pinch more expensive, but gosh if it will be sexy!


Now the only question is a pinch actually a pinch or sarcasm?

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #231 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 11:07:54 »
wait, what's this about a special edition?

From the OP:
As a side note, I'm fighting (and seems that I won the battle) for a limited edition WhiteFox, available in only one layout (#5 the true fox) with dark gold anodized case and black on dark-gray keycaps. That it is expected to be a pinch more expensive, but gosh if it will be sexy!


Now the only question is a pinch actually a pinch or sarcasm?

Later in the thread (so somewhere above) he stated he couldn't make it work after all for this round, but he still hopes to bring it in future drop.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #232 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 11:46:23 »
In for an assembled Cherry MX Brown. I wanted to try the Zealios purples but they were sold out by the time I joined and didn't come assembled so I guess that made my decision easier lol
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #233 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 12:08:12 »
wait, what's this about a special edition?

From the OP:
As a side note, I'm fighting (and seems that I won the battle) for a limited edition WhiteFox, available in only one layout (#5 the true fox) with dark gold anodized case and black on dark-gray keycaps. That it is expected to be a pinch more expensive, but gosh if it will be sexy!


Now the only question is a pinch actually a pinch or sarcasm?

Later in the thread (so somewhere above) he stated he couldn't make it work after all for this round, but he still hopes to bring it in future drop.

Right I wasnt expecting it this round. I was hoping for a later one because I dont think I can get in on this one.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #234 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 12:17:32 »
kinda accidentally bought one because the paypal payment system isn't explicit when you hit "continue" that it would actually submit and process your payment. Anywhooooooooooo imma leave it alone. #truefox


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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #235 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 12:28:11 »
kinda accidentally bought one because the paypal payment system isn't explicit when you hit "continue" that it would actually submit and process your payment. Anywhooooooooooo imma leave it alone. #truefox

I hate when that happens! Good thing it won't be a regrettable purchase though. :)

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #236 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 12:53:21 »
kinda accidentally bought one because the paypal payment system isn't explicit when you hit "continue" that it would actually submit and process your payment. Anywhooooooooooo imma leave it alone. #truefox

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #237 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 13:09:35 »
kinda accidentally bought one because the paypal payment system isn't explicit when you hit "continue" that it would actually submit and process your payment. Anywhooooooooooo imma leave it alone. #truefox

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #238 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 13:45:23 »
ok, I also bought one :). Can't wait to get my hands on it.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #239 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 14:29:42 »
So my next question for matt3o is, which switch will you be using in your white fox?

that's the one million dollar question. I despise tactile switches, for me only clicky or linear, with a preference on MX white, green (for clicky) and black (for linear). So I'll probably have one with linear zaelios and one with possibly mx white (just because of WHITE fox)

PS: the one I have now is a variable Cherry MX green+blue+white. It's pretty nice actually.

Matt3o, what's your opinion of MX Linear Grey?  Ever used it for extended typing?  Thanks and congratulations.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #240 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 15:05:53 »
Ordered one. Words cannot describe how excited I am to not only get some Zealios, but also to finally get to assemble a board from scratch.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #241 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 15:08:29 »
is there guide on how to flash the firmware? and do the costar stabilizers have the white stem insert included?
« Last Edit: Fri, 11 December 2015, 15:18:12 by ccc24 »

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #242 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 15:22:36 »
kinda accidentally bought one because the paypal payment system isn't explicit when you hit "continue" that it would actually submit and process your payment. Anywhooooooooooo imma leave it alone. #truefox

With Massdrop you can always set your payment type to bitcoin if you want time to decide. You aren't asked for payment information until the drop ends. Then you have 24 hours (I think) to enter a valid payment.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #243 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:11:01 »
Does the plate allow the switch tops to be opened without desoldering them?

I decided to go with the fully assembled Gateron Brown option as $15 is cheaper than buying a soldering iron and learning how to solder.

If at some point in the future I decide to get some purple Zealios can just I pop the switch open and swap the slider and spring in? Would that feel the same as proper Zealios?


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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #244 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:15:02 »
Does the plate allow the switch tops to be opened without desoldering them?

I decided to go with the fully assembled Gateron Brown option as $15 is cheaper than buying a soldering iron and learning how to solder.

If at some point in the future I decide to get some purple Zealios can just I pop the switch open and swap the slider and spring in? Would that feel the same as proper Zealios?



Based on the massdrop plate photos they should however, it won't work if you have LED's installed unless you use sip sockets for the LED's.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #245 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:15:14 »
Does the plate allow the switch tops to be opened without desoldering them?

I decided to go with the fully assembled Gateron Brown option as $15 is cheaper than buying a soldering iron and learning how to solder.

If at some point in the future I decide to get some purple Zealios can just I pop the switch open and swap the slider and spring in? Would that feel the same as proper Zealios?

Zealios have modified contact leaves compared to normal Gaterons, so they wouldn't be compatible, at least not the purple Zealios, as the original leaf was incompatible with Cherry MX Clear sliders. I vaguely recall a member on here swapping out all the contacts on their Gateron switches for Cherry contacts just so they could use MX clear stems. This was before Zealios landed.

You can always get linear Zealios if they are still available, as those do have modified leaves that are compatible with clear stems/purple zealio stems.
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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #246 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:40:13 »
is there guide on how to flash the firmware? and do the costar stabilizers have the white stem insert included?

there will be soon enough

Matt3o, what's your opinion of MX Linear Grey?  Ever used it for extended typing?  Thanks and congratulations.

I find black stiff enough, I honestly never typed for long time over a full linear gray keyboard.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #247 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:41:06 »
is there guide on how to flash the firmware? and do the costar stabilizers have the white stem insert included?

Related to this - I've never used Input Club before to create a layout. Can anyone tell me which is the "Fn" key? I know where I want it to be, but I dont see the "Fn" command available.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #248 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:43:20 »
Related to this - I've never used Input Club before to create a layout. Can anyone tell me which is the "Fn" key? I know where I want it to be, but I dont see the "Fn" command available.

If you look on the first row under "special", there are buttons for f1-7.

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Re: The long journey of the WhiteFox
« Reply #249 on: Fri, 11 December 2015, 16:48:42 »
Related to this - I've never used Input Club before to create a layout. Can anyone tell me which is the "Fn" key? I know where I want it to be, but I dont see the "Fn" command available.

If you look on the first row under "special", there are buttons for f1-7.

Ahh.. That makes sense. Thanks!!

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