Dental floss silences the ping by dampening the spring vibrations. Originally a mod for the IBM Model M it works for Cherry MX as well.
mhhhh thx
oh hey i tried to pm you, but you got pms disabled...
how can i get in touch with you?
id like to ask you and other senior kb veterans for suggestions about our products
Hey battlesheep.
First of all, great job on this KB!!!!
Secondly, some questions.
1) Will they be back in stock on PCHome soon? http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH28-A58428401&SR_NO=DCAH28&ROWNO=20&tm=u
2) Will you include a plastic keyboard cover with them?
thx! glad you like it!
i just asked, they should be...
in the future maybe, for now no... sorry...
rispter's on a short vacation... but I can answer the question. You actually disassemble the key and string floss through the spring. If I recall correctly you use a properly trimmed length of the 'fluffy' style of floss and just fill the spring with it.
On a completely different note 'we' had been discussing the pluses and minuses of the CM Storm keyboards and I had another way to perhaps convince your marketing team (or whoever it was that wanted a million logos) as to why understated is best. It's all about getting people to talk about your product. I'll admit that computers aren't the most social (physically interfacing here... face to face) item, but gaming boards and certainly tenkeyless gaming boards are likely to be dragged around to LAN parties and such... So to the point, you plaster your logo/name all over your device and you give reasons for people NOT to talk about it.
If I'm hanging around at a LAN and see a cool item that I might like to have, typical geek response is that if I don't have to talk to figure out how to find one of my own, I won't talk! That gives your users (who will typically be pro-you) no opportunity to evangelize your product. You want people to get close and personal and hear what the happy owners have to say about your stuff.
So in this way, understated is far better than all that extra ink.
ohh... stuff the spring with floss huh? mmhhh that makes sense...
cherry should offer something like this with their switches... for us its impossible to do, we can pry all switches open, fiddle around and then pop em back together :/
i doubt cherry cares though, or maybe i just havent found a good contact window yet...
i understand why its too many logos, dont have to tell me
i said its too much since we internally discussed the logo placement a long time ago...
The only other big concern I have after reading this thread is the use of a single layered PCB. I really am looking for that deeper more "solid" sound and feeling keyboard. I really thought this was more related to the plate though ? Was that incorrect ? I thought if it was plastic on plastic , that the lower plastic being mounted on a plate rather than the PCB itself would be what really made the difference in feel and sound.
for trigger dual layer PCB made it sound slightly more solid and sound slightly deeper when bottoming out... BUT the keycap sounds actually got slightly higher pitched...
no huge difference... but i did notice it immediatly when i first tried the dual layer version
In German layout (ISO) for example there are nearly no mechanical tenkeyless keyboards available.
The one or two existing are only available from other european countries (at high price and expensive shipping IF they are in stock) and not one in german shops or in german online stores.
So how could anybody know that the demand is low here?
idk how they do their demand research...
maybe checking if something is widelely available? if its not, there CANT be high demand for it according to their rationale
Ok , Having never really compared the two , I was going by others postings about the Filco's and Battlesheeps comment here :
"well, for blues and browns maybe it you hover around the click/bump point... but the only difference i noticed between the thinner and thicker pcbs is the sound...
thinner ones make higher pitched sounds, while the thicker double pcb sounds more solid and deeper, AND is quieter!
thats why trigger for example is dual..."
Perhaps I should make a sound file for the WYSE 60 I have. The sound is just awesome but the springs are a bit stiff for me after being on blues for a couple weeks now.
yes please! id appreciate that
a sound library of different keycap and keyboard sounds would be awesome for GH, dont you think?
a sound clip for every keyboard, so people can LISTEN and compare keyboard sounds
for me, thats actually a very important point, feeling is the most important, but sound is VERY important too...
if blues would be silent, id probably like them a lot for example!
About the branding: Yeah I prefer no logo's on the top of the keyboard, sides are fine. One reason is that I like to mod my keyboard's keycaps, and the red of the logo really limits my color options.
About the font / material of the keys: if I were you, I'd leave it the way it is. Since you are targeting the gamer market, people want the cheapest (ABS plastic) and they will probably like the font. This is a website for elitists and we have different needs than the general gamer market. Personally, I am going to replace the keycaps with something else, no matter what keycaps you'd put on there. So cheaper = better for me
I hope the MX Red board is in stock again soon, can't wait to order mine!
OMG, GH has become self aware! :0
yeah, i know, despite all the complaints about the font here, i didnt recommend our guys to change them...
i did tell them, but i said its feedback from mostly non gamers, and gamers usually really like the font, so...
Hi, I just got this keyboard as well. I didn't want to make a new thread, so I'll post my impressions here.
My new keyboard is equipped with MX-red as well, so it has the spiffy red backplate peeking through between the keys. Very cool. Though, my Ducky bunny year edition also have red backplate, but on white lasered keys, which has a slight cool advantage. One of the first things I do not like about the keyboard is the rubberized coating. Sure I loved it on my motorola phones, but it always dries and peels after awhile. Also, it is a dust magnet. We'll see how it holds up after a few month. Someone else already noted the odd inverted media key legend, so I'll just mention the odd placement. The location make it a 2hand affair to use them, or you have to contort your hands into unnatural position (or use left hand... on right side of keyboard.....). I would have liked it on the arrow keys, or the edit cluster for right hand usage.
yeah... agree...
So onto the build quality. This keyboard is solidly built, as expected from Costar. I did my cheap keyboard twist test, and there was no flex I can detect. I remember battlesheep saying it has a single sided PCB, which does make it sound like my old Majestouch 1. My daily driver Majestouch 2 has a slightly lower tone when bottoming out (The keycaps appears to be the same, so we can rule that out as cause of the difference). But ya, we're keyboard elites, we hardly ever bottom out right? 
The keys with stabilizers does sound more noisy (squeaks) than my Majestouch2. I have not pull the keys, so I don't know if they lubed it up. The tiny rubber feet makes them easily slide around on my glass desktop, where as my other keyboards do not.
your the second who mentioned that, i asked and it seems some balancers were not lubed up properly, costar said they solved the problem (fired the guy who did a sloppy job? lol)
just add some grease yourself, or RMA it to your local coolermaster office, they should lube it up for ya... even if its from another region... not 100% sure but i think so...
As for typing... it is a plate mounted MX-Red. I have MX brown fingers, so the linear keys do feel slightly odd. I do bottom much more on MX red (it is my first red). Not much more I can add other than it is LIGHT. The bump in browns really do add some extra force to the stroke given that the same springs are used in both. Now I want a bumpy key that feels this light.
yeah... i know...
dont think its possible though... then the spring would be too weak to overcome the bump on the way back up i think...
thats what happens with some blue switches already, according to cherry, they get stuck cause the spring is too weak pushing it back up...
Overall, I do like the keyboard, and it is priced right. I wanted something smaller that I can put on my lap when kick my feet up and relax, and this hit the spot.
/long time lurker
glad u like it!
Probably from finger oil, as my experience with soft touch rubber coating is with cellphones. It literally peels and becomes brittle, like old paint, but with the added bonus of feeling sticky and yucky. I am not saying this will peel, but given my previous experience, I am not hopeful.
i know what you mean from mice...
NEVER use alcohol or chemicals to clean rubber or rubberized surfaces... it only makes it worse!
use a tiny bit of dishwashing soap or shampoo and water, thats all....
but yeah, if you throw your quickfire into a backpack full of other stuff and carry it around, the rubber coating will definitely peel off!
but hey, if it was plastic it would be scratches too... cant treat your gear bad and then complain it has marks imo
i tried to scratch off the rubber coating on some samples and you need a sharp edge and notable force to do it, and its more like scratching off plastic, its not like the rubber coating is a skin you can peel off like i originally thought.
anyways, def dont handle it rough and i recommend wrapping it in a towel when carrying it around to keep it in prime condition
