Post by: upas on Sat, 27 April 2019, 17:02:14
EDIT: These are now fully sold out. Apologies if you didn't get one, but you had more than 1 week before it sold out! Options will be finalized on May 20th - I'll update the spreadsheet again tonight (15th), and again on the 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ak-TL8ng2dmhJuuQSQ8STyjWctciFrhVIKanwmQ1qBE/edit?usp=sharing
The Satisfaction 75 is a 75% keyboard featuring a rotary encoder (knob), and an OLED screen. The design was inspired by Pirate Captain Henry Morgan's flagship vessel the "Satisfaction". The curve in the back of the case is supposed to be reminiscent of a pirate ship.
(https://i.imgur.com/KJdU1JM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rFgLgJ1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qVaJqUu.jpg)
The keyboard has all of the following features:
OLED Screen
Real time clock
Rotary encoder with really nice knobs
VIA Configurator Support and Powered by QMK
STM32 ARM Microprocessor
South facing backlight LEDs (single color)
"Burger" o-ring top mount plate
6 degree slope
Aluminum Top and Bottom, Brass plate, Brass weight
Right side USB-C
Weights 1.7 kg / 3.75 lbs without switches, PCB, keycaps, or knob
Dimensions: 327mm x 136mm x 40mm (with default knob and cherry keycaps)
Two plates will be offered, Standard and WKL.
Standard KLE
(http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/7eb4e525f055d49be0dce0d41753ffa8)WKL KLE (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/0c1cbcf785b173a39b6b3da280db62e2)
The PCB supports ISO, but plates will not be offered in ISO. DXF files for plates will be made available once the purchasing period ends. The PCB will be a blue color.
PCB Layout Support
(http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/2156e0dbbaffd0f243269cdfa357e1c9)
The bottom weight has some engraved artwork.
(https://i.imgur.com/agBSRaR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/F00AsBI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OccYa7L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WePBhss.jpg)
The saber will move to the right to be close to the treasure chest in production. This will make the weight look cleaner.
Blank weights are available as extras.
Every kit comes with a top, bottom, sandblasted brass plate, and sandblasted and engraved weight. Additionally, a PCB, an OLED screen (white or blue), rotary encoder, and knob will also be provided.
Each Satisfaction75 will also come with a neoprene carrying sleeve.
The brass is raw brass, its not sealed, and as such, it can patina. You can use brasso every so often to clean off the developing patina. But this should look really good with a nice patina.
After the group buy period ends, I will release plate DXF files to the public.
Pricing for this group buy will start at a base price of $399.99. I wanted to aim for lower, but the factory I ended up going with is one of the pricier ones. In return for the added expense, they meet my quality bar.
The following colors are available:
Deep Ocean Blue (Navy Blue - Pantone 2767C)
Cloud White (E-white - Extra $20 Charge)
Stormy Gray (Dark Gray - RAL 7021)
Pirate Black (Anodized Black)
Color examples and renders:
(https://i.imgur.com/l62E9V5.jpg)
Original Prototype, Pirate Black. NOTE: DESIGN NOT ACCURATE TO PRODUCTION.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fRHcZTm2/Sat-Top.jpg)
Cloud White w/ GMK Mizu (Render)
(https://i.imgur.com/BlIukQl.jpg)
Stormy Grey w/ GMK Modern Dolch (Render)
(https://i.imgur.com/xRtoFhw.jpg)
Deep Ocean Blue w/ GMK Voyage (Render)
(https://i.imgur.com/j8EqBI0.png)
Deep Ocean Blue w/ GMK Calm Depths (Render)
Only 40 units of the Cloud White color will be made available.
COLOR DISCLAIMER: The prototype is not quite Pantone 2767C. The factory has not guaranteed being able to get a perfect match, but they will get as close as possible. This also applies for the RAL 7021 Dark Grey.
By default, the kit comes with the following knob:
(https://i.imgur.com/yhGGQ5O.jpg)
You can choose between silver, black, and gold.
The following extras will also be available:
Extra PCB +$45
Extra OLED +$4
Extra Weight (Blank) +$45
Extra Plate (Brass) Standard +$45
Extra Plate (Brass) WKL +$45
Extra Plate (FR4 - White) Std +$25
Extra Plate (FR4 - White) WKL +$25
Extra Default Knob +$7
Pearloid Knob +$13
The Pearloid Knob looks like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/93s1mm8.jpg)
And fits best with high profile keycaps. It's also available in silver, black, and gold.
Unfortunately, due to the CITES Conservation Treaty, I will not be offering Mother of Pearl knobs. Since I can't ship them outside the US, it would add an extra layer of logistics I do not want to handle.
Finally, I'll also be offering a beautiful RAMA knob to go with the Satisfaction 75, and should pair nicely with Cherry profile keycaps. It's a Brass knob with a gold PVD finish.
(https://i.imgur.com/QGnKTh9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YGT8IdL.jpg)
There will be 200 slots for this group buy. I do not expect to hit 200 units sold, and I hope that everyone who wants one of these boards can get one, but 200 is the absolute limit of what I can handle. I'm willing to QC and fulfill so many units in an effort to prevent ridiculous flipping as soon as the GB is over. Estimated time of delivery is Late October. Shipping will be staggered, and orders will be fulfilled in the order that they are placed.
Shipping will be charged at time of purchase, based on the rates I will have to pay to ship the items.
In summary:
$399.99 Base Price - Includes top, bottom, brass plate, engraved brass weight, PCB, OLED screen, rotary encoder, knob, neoprene sleeve
200 Unit Limit, 40 Cloud White Limit
Shipping paid upfront
Estimated time of delivery is Late October
Shipping will be staggered, and orders will be fulfilled in the order that they are placed.
4 options:
Case Color (Deep Ocean Blue, Stormy Gray, Pirate Black, $20 extra for Cloud White)
OLED Color (White, Blue)
Knob Color (Silver, Gold, Black)
Plate Layout (WKL, Standard)
Extras:
Extra PCB - $45
Extra OLED - $4
Extra Weight - $45
Extra Plate (Brass) Standard - $45
Extra Plate (Brass) WKL - $45
Extra Plate (FR4 - White) Standard - $25
Extra Plate (FR4 - White) WKL - $25
Extra Default Knob (Silver, Gold, Black) - $7
Pearloid Knob (Silver, Gold, Black) - $13
Specials
RAMA Knob - $56 (Includes Torx Screw + Driver for installation)
This group buy will go live on CannonKeys.com (https://cannonkeys.com/) at 6PM EDT on Monday, May 6th, and will remain open for 2 weeks, or until the buy is full.
Feel free to join my discord: http://discord.gg/gAy6sqp
Post by: upas on Sat, 27 April 2019, 17:02:25
Using the Knob and OLED Features:
Fn + Knob Press changes the OLED mode (3 modes - default, datetime, and off)
Fn + Knob Turn changes the Knob mode:
Here are the modes and their behaviors:
Abbreviation - Full name - Clockwise/Counterclockwise/Press
VOL - Volume - Volume Up/Down/Mute
MED - Media - Next Track/Previous Track/PlayPause
SCR - Scroll - Mouse Wheel Down/Mouse Wheel Up/Mouse Wheel Press
BRT - Brightness - Brightness Up/Brightness Down/Nothing
BKL - Backlight - Backlight Intensity Up/Down/Toggle breathing
There are also 3 custom modes that are configurable in VIA configurator.
Fn + (Key under the knob) enters Clock set mode. It changed the knob behavior to the following:
CLK - Clock Set - Increase selected number (hour or minute)/Decrease selected number (hour or minute)/Toggle hour or minute Press the same key to leave clock set mode and save the time.
The clock can also be set in VIA.
VIA Example:
Post by: upas on Sat, 27 April 2019, 17:02:33
Q. Where are you shipping from?
A. Rhode Island, USA. I will update the above post with shipping estimates by region later tonight.
Q. Will the RAMA cap be avail on my 6th or will it be later?
A. You will be able to buy it as an extra with the group buy
Q: What does the neoprene sleeve look like?
A. A sample is on the way, I'll post pictures when it arrives.
Q: What specific pantone/RAL is each color?
A. In general, I want to remind everyone of the color disclaimer. These are not plastic keycaps. Anodizing/e-white coating aluminum is not an exact process, the factory only guarantees that they will get close to the provided reference colors. I know a lot of you are asking for precise color codes, but it's best not to expect any precise matching.
There will be a Pirate Black, Cloud White, Deep Ocean blue, and Stormy Grey. They will be close to the reference Pantone/RAL, but they may not match exactly.
This is also why I am not posting Pantone/RAL for white/black. The white will be similar to the prototype which Jae built. I do not have the RAL/Pantone code for it, but hopefully the photos will suffice.
I will be instructing the factory to prioritize matching top/bottom case over matching a pantone. Likewise, my focus during QC will be ensuring that the top/bottom cases match, not that the delivered colors match a reference color precisely.
Post by: pilotxj on Sun, 28 April 2019, 12:22:54
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Post by: upas on Sun, 28 April 2019, 12:39:50
Wait, so the base 400 USD is without PCB? I know it doesn't make sense and is probably just a mistake, but you only mention the case parts, in 2 separate places...
I've updated the post to clarify. Thanks!
It does come with a PCB, encoder, OLED Screen, and Knob.
Post by: cyyz on Sun, 28 April 2019, 12:49:09
Post by: eastern_thug on Sun, 28 April 2019, 12:50:55
And then just touch me
Till I can get my satisfaction.. 75
Hope I'm quick enough for the white. Think Ice Caps would go well with a tall golden knob.
Post by: upas on Sun, 28 April 2019, 12:51:59
Hope I'm quick enough for the white. Think Ice Caps would go well with a tall golden knob.
The pearlescent knob is a little taller than an R0 SA Keycap.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Sun, 28 April 2019, 12:58:06
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Post by: eastern_thug on Sun, 28 April 2019, 12:59:52
Hope I'm quick enough for the white. Think Ice Caps would go well with a tall golden knob.
The pearlescent knob is a little taller than an R0 SA Keycap.
Are the default knobs shorter than the pearl ones?
That would be fine since SA Ice Caps are uniform R3 anyway.
Post by: connor4312 on Sun, 28 April 2019, 13:00:44
Post by: BrutalBanana on Sun, 28 April 2019, 13:02:41
Do you personally have a preference on OLED color? Would you think white or blue looks overall better, or does it depend on case color?
Post by: upas on Sun, 28 April 2019, 13:04:44
This looks super interesting! I apologize if I missed it, but is the OLED screen programmable? Showing Slack/email notifications / code build status / etc there would be super neat.
All of those things would require extra PC-side software, which I wanted to avoid for everyday use. (VIA is just used to configure the board).
If you know how to code, you could potentially add this to the board via QMK firmware. But I do not plan on writing anything to enable this.
Post by: upas on Sun, 28 April 2019, 13:05:48
Awesome design, definite buy from me.
Do you personally have a preference on OLED color? Would you think white or blue looks overall better, or does it depend on case color?
Personally, I like both the white and the blue. But the white will match with more keysets. The video has an example of the blue, and you can see, it's pretty bright.
For example, it'd look great with a blue or white keyset, but might clash with a green one.
Post by: connor4312 on Sun, 28 April 2019, 13:20:39
This looks super interesting! I apologize if I missed it, but is the OLED screen programmable? Showing Slack/email notifications / code build status / etc there would be super neat.
All of those things would require extra PC-side software, which I wanted to avoid for everyday use. (VIA is just used to configure the board).
If you know how to code, you could potentially add this to the board via QMK firmware. But I do not plan on writing anything to enable this.
Ah, figured as much. Definitely agree with the desire to not require bloatware to use the keyboard, but an optional programming interface would be really neat :)
I haven't done much with QMK internals before, I'll have to play around. Maybe I'll be able to get a version going with a programmable ui, then build a little higher level python/node.js/whatever library for people to throw together custom scripts/plugins...
Post by: vision-quest on Sun, 28 April 2019, 13:40:27
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Post by: p_blaze on Sun, 28 April 2019, 15:02:02
guess I gotta pass.
awesome board, and best of luck with the GB
Post by: rope on Sun, 28 April 2019, 15:05:49
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Post by: stevevu2816 on Sun, 28 April 2019, 18:14:20
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Post by: phorx on Sun, 28 April 2019, 18:19:13
Post by: mrpetrov on Sun, 28 April 2019, 18:27:00
Of all the options, the Rama know is the lowest profile right?
yup!
Post by: Tekniqs on Sun, 28 April 2019, 19:14:13
Post by: goddream on Sun, 28 April 2019, 19:44:22
Post by: upas on Sun, 28 April 2019, 21:45:31
Will there be any way to swap the FR4 plate for the Brass in the base purchase? or is it only available by getting an extra?
Nope, FR4 is only available as an extra.
is the knob work fully with Macos because i am using Macbook???
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Yes
Of all the options, the Rama knob is the lowest profile right?
Yes
Post by: cynnoh on Sun, 28 April 2019, 22:39:51
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Post by: upas on Sun, 28 April 2019, 23:16:05
I am so in for 1 of this! Quick question, is it still possible to elevate the OLED screen so that it's more even to the top case? Atm the screen regressed a bit too much into the casing which might make it hard to read the information on the screen imo.
It's not possible to raise the screen. There are pins on top of the OLED breakout that will short if they are touching aluminum. The gap needs to stay for this reason - I wanted to use an OLED breakout so its easy to replace if needed.
When you sit up ergonomically in your chair, you can see the screen.
Even if you slouch a little, you can still see it.
If you slouch a lot, you won't be able to see the screen well, unfortunately.
Post by: kitty on Sun, 28 April 2019, 23:35:33
Post by: BrutalBanana on Mon, 29 April 2019, 00:05:48
I am so in for 1 of this! Quick question, is it still possible to elevate the OLED screen so that it's more even to the top case? Atm the screen regressed a bit too much into the casing which might make it hard to read the information on the screen imo.
It's not possible to raise the screen. There are pins on top of the OLED breakout that will short if they are touching aluminum. The gap needs to stay for this reason - I wanted to use an OLED breakout so its easy to replace if needed.
When you sit up ergonomically in your chair, you can see the screen.
Even if you slouch a little, you can still see it.
If you slouch a lot, you won't be able to see the screen well, unfortunately.
Even better, this board can help you fix your bad posture. Now that's some satisfaction.
Post by: yohannes on Mon, 29 April 2019, 00:44:03
Post by: add1ct3dd on Mon, 29 April 2019, 04:00:49
I think that's me out, thanks though.
Post by: rondg on Mon, 29 April 2019, 06:09:13
Surprised that the material around the LCD isn't going to be milled to raise it even a few mm, but the more disappointing thing is the lack of ISO.
I think that's me out, thanks though.
I think the PCB supports ISO but not the switch plate. Upas did mention that he will release the plate file.
Post by: upas on Mon, 29 April 2019, 06:22:02
2 questions @upas. 1) What is a FR4 plate? 2) For the default included brass plate, will there be a different color option?
FR4 is a fiberglass material typically used for PCBs. It has a good flex to it - it's one of my favorite plate materials.
For the brass plate, it's just sandblasted brass colored. No other options.
Surprised that the material around the LCD isn't going to be milled to raise it even a few mm, but the more disappointing thing is the lack of ISO.
I think that's me out, thanks though.
I think the PCB supports ISO but not the switch plate. Upas did mention that he will release the plate file.
The PCB does support ISO and I am releasing the plate files once the GB closes. This information was posted in the first post of the GB thread.
Post by: yohannes on Mon, 29 April 2019, 08:26:11
Post by: upas on Mon, 29 April 2019, 08:51:20
@upas, can you show rendered pictures of the diff between white and blue OLED? Can. You consider bundling price for those who will be getting all 3 knobs (pearl / regular)?
I'll take photos of the blue and white OLEDs tonight. Not renders :)
No bundling prices - I'm not making a lot of profit on the knobs already, so I don't think I could offer a discount and also adequately handle risk.
Post by: yohannes on Mon, 29 April 2019, 09:21:06
Post by: DuellM on Mon, 29 April 2019, 09:27:35
1 Keyboard $399 or $420 (Deep Ocean Blue or Cloud White)
3 Pearloid Knob $13 each $39 (Silver, Gold, Black)
2 Extra Default Knob $7 each $14 (Gold & Black)
Extra OLED - $4 (White)
RAMA Knob - $80
Post by: KeyCap75 on Mon, 29 April 2019, 12:12:05
6pm EDT will be midnight here in Europe (Vienna)...never the less, I'll be in for one...just have to decide which colour :cool:
Post by: R0N1N on Mon, 29 April 2019, 12:42:56
Love your work.
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Post by: upas on Mon, 29 April 2019, 14:15:22
Upas, which Colour is the one in the wavez render, which knob as well?
Love your work.
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The wavez render has a dark grey case. The knob is a planned custom knob that did not work out.
Perhaps in the future i can offer these knobs.
In general, I want to remind everyone of the color disclaimer. These are not plastic keycaps. Anodizing/e-white coating aluminum is not an exact process, the factory only guarantees that they will get close to the provided reference colors. I know a lot of you are asking for precise color codes, but it's best not to expect any precise matching.
There will be a Pirate Black, Cloud White, Deep Ocean blue, and Stormy Grey. They will be close to the reference Pantone/RAL, but they may not match exactly.
This is also why I am not posting Pantone/RAL for white/black. The white will be similar to the prototype which Jae built. I do not have the RAL/Pantone code for it, but hopefully the photos will suffice.
I will be instructing the factory to prioritize matching top/bottom case over matching a pantone. Likewise, my focus during QC will be ensuring that the top/bottom cases match, not that the delivered colors match a reference color precisely.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 29 April 2019, 14:34:02
I will be instructing the factory to prioritize matching top/bottom case over matching a pantone. Likewise, my focus during QC will be ensuring that the top/bottom cases match, not that the delivered colors match a reference color precisely.
I'm glad you're taking this approach. Would prefer to have my keyboard look coherent than match a proto/render exactly.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Mon, 29 April 2019, 17:01:34
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Post by: Starston3 on Mon, 29 April 2019, 17:02:12
Refreshing on my phone like mad right now.It's next Monday
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Post by: Slash Emperor on Mon, 29 April 2019, 17:03:06
I'm an idiot. Thanks, mate.Refreshing on my phone like mad right now.It's next Monday
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Post by: rondg on Mon, 29 April 2019, 17:16:40
Post by: upas on Mon, 29 April 2019, 21:45:20
Is it possible to order extra pcb/plate/knob/lcd even if the 200-slot for the keyboard is all filled up?
Yes, it should be possible.
Post by: upas on Mon, 29 April 2019, 21:47:06
Default knob:
(https://i.imgur.com/nYHNNvq.jpg)
Pearloid knob:
(https://i.imgur.com/6hoHeHU.jpg)
RAMA knob (3d print basic mockup of geometry):
(https://i.imgur.com/QwX48Nu.jpg)
The RAMA knob sit approx. 1 to 2mm lower than the Default knob. The pearloid knob sits the highest.
We are still refining the specific geometries for the RAMA knob. We may have it sit even lower.
Post by: stevevu2816 on Mon, 29 April 2019, 23:05:43
Post by: thecyangiant on Mon, 29 April 2019, 23:41:54
The RAMA knob sit approx. 1 to 2mm lower than the Default knob. The pearloid knob sits the highest.
Is the barrel of the standard and perloid nob the same? This image shows a big difference in the height, but appears to be due to how its mounted.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190430/3da1d3e6dffb5e58e416d6490248e895.jpg)
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Post by: upas on Mon, 29 April 2019, 23:56:06
hi UPAS, is the pcb hot swap or solderable, I have never soldered before, thanks
The PCB is solderable, not hotswap. Even if you have never soldered before, you shouldn't be afraid to solder a keyboard :)
Shameless plug, I sell a kit on my website cannonkeys.com called the Practice60. It's fairly inexpensive and when you're done putting it together, you have a 60% keyboard. It's a great way to practice soldering before doing it on a more expensive custom!
Is the barrel of the standard and perloid nob the same? This image shows a big difference in the height, but appears to be due to how its mounted.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190430/3da1d3e6dffb5e58e416d6490248e895.jpg)
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The barrel on the pearloid knob is not as deep as the standard. The difference in height is due to the mounting, but that still plays into where it ultimately sits.
As a matter of fact, the pearloid knob is 17mm tall, and the standard is 19mm tall, but because of the short barrel, the 17mm knob sits higher.
Post by: kitty on Tue, 30 April 2019, 00:03:40
The RAMA knob sit approx. 1 to 2mm lower than the Default knob. The pearloid knob sits the highest.
We are still refining the specific geometries for the RAMA knob. We may have it sit even lower.
i think it'd look nice sitting a bit lower and could pair nicely with lower-profile keycaps
Post by: gordonderp on Tue, 30 April 2019, 00:39:27
Post by: Macmutant on Tue, 30 April 2019, 01:00:22
Post by: xondat on Tue, 30 April 2019, 01:05:15
Seriously though, had the pleasure of seeing Jae's at the UK meetup. Very impressed. Love the tactile knob. Screen is uber cool. :-*
Post by: goddream on Tue, 30 April 2019, 02:32:45
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Tue, 30 April 2019, 03:27:13
Will we be able to install millmax sockets/holtites to make it hotswappable? Any idea what sizes we can use? :p
Just about every custom or mass-produced board I've worked with has had a slightly different way of installing either holtites or millmax sockets, due to size of the pcb holes. I think this will be no different. There isn't much choice aside from either 0705 or 0305 millmax sockets, or 8134 holtites, since those are the only ones that fit all switch pins.
Post by: add1ct3dd on Tue, 30 April 2019, 03:50:20
2 questions @upas. 1) What is a FR4 plate? 2) For the default included brass plate, will there be a different color option?
FR4 is a fiberglass material typically used for PCBs. It has a good flex to it - it's one of my favorite plate materials.
For the brass plate, it's just sandblasted brass colored. No other options.Surprised that the material around the LCD isn't going to be milled to raise it even a few mm, but the more disappointing thing is the lack of ISO.
I think that's me out, thanks though.
I think the PCB supports ISO but not the switch plate. Upas did mention that he will release the plate file.
The PCB does support ISO and I am releasing the plate files once the GB closes. This information was posted in the first post of the GB thread.
Yeah I have nowhere to get the plate cut though :'( sadface
Post by: rondg on Tue, 30 April 2019, 05:08:20
2 questions @upas. 1) What is a FR4 plate? 2) For the default included brass plate, will there be a different color option?
FR4 is a fiberglass material typically used for PCBs. It has a good flex to it - it's one of my favorite plate materials.
For the brass plate, it's just sandblasted brass colored. No other options.Surprised that the material around the LCD isn't going to be milled to raise it even a few mm, but the more disappointing thing is the lack of ISO.
I think that's me out, thanks though.
I think the PCB supports ISO but not the switch plate. Upas did mention that he will release the plate file.
The PCB does support ISO and I am releasing the plate files once the GB closes. This information was posted in the first post of the GB thread.
Yeah I have nowhere to get the plate cut though :'( sadface
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Post by: stevevu2816 on Tue, 30 April 2019, 09:19:50
thank youhi UPAS, is the pcb hot swap or solderable, I have never soldered before, thanks
The PCB is solderable, not hotswap. Even if you have never soldered before, you shouldn't be afraid to solder a keyboard :)
Shameless plug, I sell a kit on my website cannonkeys.com called the Practice60. It's fairly inexpensive and when you're done putting it together, you have a 60% keyboard. It's a great way to practice soldering before doing it on a more expensive custom!
Is the barrel of the standard and perloid nob the same? This image shows a big difference in the height, but appears to be due to how its mounted.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190430/3da1d3e6dffb5e58e416d6490248e895.jpg)
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The barrel on the pearloid knob is not as deep as the standard. The difference in height is due to the mounting, but that still plays into where it ultimately sits.
As a matter of fact, the pearloid knob is 17mm tall, and the standard is 19mm tall, but because of the short barrel, the 17mm knob sits higher.
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Post by: phorx on Tue, 30 April 2019, 09:36:36
Post by: upas on Tue, 30 April 2019, 09:58:20
Will we be able to install millmax sockets/holtites to make it hotswappable? Any idea what sizes we can use? :p
Just about every custom or mass-produced board I've worked with has had a slightly different way of installing either holtites or millmax sockets, due to size of the pcb holes. I think this will be no different. There isn't much choice aside from either 0705 or 0305 millmax sockets, or 8134 holtites, since those are the only ones that fit all switch pins.
0705 or 0305 millmax sockets will work. Not sure about the holtites.
What type of threading is the knob on? I have a couple guitar knobs and I'm wondering if they can fit.
Upas, would you be willing to share the key measurements for the knobs? I'm wondering if these are things we might be able to source ourselves or perhaps even get made from wood or other materials.
This is the encoder: ALPS Electric EC11E18244A5
Based on that information, you should be able to make a knob to your liking, or see if a certain knob fits :)
I do plan on offering custom knobs in different colors in the future.
Post by: jaang on Tue, 30 April 2019, 10:02:19
Post by: poodude on Tue, 30 April 2019, 22:59:44
Post by: sadmachine on Wed, 01 May 2019, 03:52:24
The RAMA knob sit approx. 1 to 2mm lower than the Default knob. The pearloid knob sits the highest.
We are still refining the specific geometries for the RAMA knob. We may have it sit even lower.
Oh yes, even lower would be even better.
Post by: noktrnlco on Wed, 01 May 2019, 10:13:05
Post by: upas on Wed, 01 May 2019, 19:54:32
A quick update - the RAMA knob quote has arrived. Each knob will be $56, and includes a torx driver and screw for mounting.
Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 01 May 2019, 20:12:19
Hey guys,
A quick update - the RAMA knob quote has arrived. Each knob will be $56, and includes a torx driver and screw for mounting.
That痴 a pretty good price!
I still haven稚 decided what color to get, but I really look forward to this board.
Post by: upas on Wed, 01 May 2019, 22:13:13
The product page is now live on CannonKeys, stock will be released at exactly 6PM EDT on Monday.
https://cannonkeys.com/collections/satisfaction-75
After purchasing, you will receive an email with a link to a google form to select your options.
Extras for the S75 will be listed at 5PM EDT so that you can add them to your cart.
If you place separate orders for extras and the Satisfaction75, I will hold on to your extra shipping costs and refund the difference AFTER the group buy has shipped (many months from now).
To avoid this situation, If you want to buy right at 6PM, and you plan on purchasing extras, I suggest adding the extras you want to your cart ahead of time, and purchasing the Satisfaction75 itself when it goes live.
There is plenty of stock of extras, so having them in your cart should not slow down the purchasing process.
Post by: mrpetrov on Wed, 01 May 2019, 22:35:30
Hello everyone,
The product page is now live on CannonKeys, stock will be released at exactly 6PM EDT on Monday.
https://cannonkeys.com/collections/satisfaction-75
After purchasing, you will receive an email with a link to a google form to select your options.
Extras for the S75 will be listed at 5PM EDT so that you can add them to your cart.
If you place separate orders for extras and the Satisfaction75, I will hold on to your extra shipping costs and refund the difference AFTER the group buy has shipped (many months from now).
To avoid this situation, If you want to buy right at 6PM, and you plan on purchasing extras, I suggest adding the extras you want to your cart ahead of time, and purchasing the Satisfaction75 itself when it goes live.
There is plenty of stock of extras, so having them in your cart should not slow down the purchasing process.
Just to clarify, can you essentially "reserve" any extras you want by simply placing them in your cart?
Post by: upas on Wed, 01 May 2019, 22:40:58
Hello everyone,
The product page is now live on CannonKeys, stock will be released at exactly 6PM EDT on Monday.
https://cannonkeys.com/collections/satisfaction-75
After purchasing, you will receive an email with a link to a google form to select your options.
Extras for the S75 will be listed at 5PM EDT so that you can add them to your cart.
If you place separate orders for extras and the Satisfaction75, I will hold on to your extra shipping costs and refund the difference AFTER the group buy has shipped (many months from now).
To avoid this situation, If you want to buy right at 6PM, and you plan on purchasing extras, I suggest adding the extras you want to your cart ahead of time, and purchasing the Satisfaction75 itself when it goes live.
There is plenty of stock of extras, so having them in your cart should not slow down the purchasing process.
Just to clarify, can you essentially "reserve" any extras you want by simply placing them in your cart?
That's right. Since I'll be releasing the extras 1 hour ahead of time, you can place them in your cart and do a combined checkout for your keyboard and extras.
Post by: goddream on Wed, 01 May 2019, 23:38:01
Anyone got cool ideas on combos that match with the rama knob? Starting to think about black...
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 02 May 2019, 00:48:47
I was thinking about getting the White with the GMK Mizu set, but the more I think about the Brass/gold rama knob the more I worry they won't match.Darker colors are generally safer and match with more keysets. Gold in particular is hard to find stuff to match, and if thats your worry I'd definitely go Blue or Black.
Anyone got cool ideas on combos that match with the rama knob? Starting to think about black...
Post by: goddream on Thu, 02 May 2019, 00:56:56
I was thinking about getting the White with the GMK Mizu set, but the more I think about the Brass/gold rama knob the more I worry they won't match.Darker colors are generally safer and match with more keysets. Gold in particular is hard to find stuff to match, and if thats your worry I'd definitely go Blue or Black.
Anyone got cool ideas on combos that match with the rama knob? Starting to think about black...
I was looking at grabbing some aftermarket GMK Phantoms for those beautiful gold accents. Flip flopping on black or white base but actually leaning towards white
Post by: Clo_0lD on Thu, 02 May 2019, 05:07:10
Post by: upas on Thu, 02 May 2019, 13:04:26
I know that the keyboard is limited to a specific amount of units, but will the extras (PCB, knobs, screens, etc.) be available for the duration of the group buy or do they also have a limit? I'll be picking up a the keyboard for sure on Monday, but I'd rather wait on the extras until I get more money if possible.
The extras will be available until the group buy closes. I plan on closing the buy 2 weeks after opening it.
Post by: ppnp253 on Thu, 02 May 2019, 19:30:05
I'm also on the fence for blue or white. The blue would pair nicely with GMK Metropolis and DSA Scientific, but that GMK Mizu combo just looks so nice.I was thinking about getting the White with the GMK Mizu set, but the more I think about the Brass/gold rama knob the more I worry they won't match.Darker colors are generally safer and match with more keysets. Gold in particular is hard to find stuff to match, and if thats your worry I'd definitely go Blue or Black.
Anyone got cool ideas on combos that match with the rama knob? Starting to think about black...
I was looking at grabbing some aftermarket GMK Phantoms for those beautiful gold accents. Flip flopping on black or white base but actually leaning towards white
Post by: KaosJ on Fri, 03 May 2019, 00:35:32
@upas, can you show rendered pictures of the diff between white and blue OLED? Can. You consider bundling price for those who will be getting all 3 knobs (pearl / regular)?
I'll take photos of the blue and white OLEDs tonight. Not renders :)
No bundling prices - I'm not making a lot of profit on the knobs already, so I don't think I could offer a discount and also adequately handle risk.
@yohannes In case you want them all, you can find the knobs on the china market, almost everywhere. These are going for like $5-9 for 3 knobs and comes with different pearl color so you just need to buy the right measure. In case you need just one, buying it in the GB makes sense, otherwise if you want them all, you might save $30 and just pay 2-3 bucks for each knob.
Post by: lakeboredom on Sat, 04 May 2019, 09:12:14
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Sat, 04 May 2019, 11:18:48
Post by: upas on Sat, 04 May 2019, 12:56:16
Where can we find knobs that look like the smooth ones in the renders? Or any alternate knobs too, would be cool. Is there a diameter or mounting type to search for?
I posted the exact part number above.
I just want to check ahead of time, but will there be an order limit like one keyboard per person or will multiple board purchases require separate invoices?
There is a 1 board per order limit. If you want to purchase multiple, you can, but you will have to make multiple purchases.
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Sat, 04 May 2019, 13:20:00
Cool. And is there any possibility of combining shipping or have you already worked out the logistics for shipping boards individually?I just want to check ahead of time, but will there be an order limit like one keyboard per person or will multiple board purchases require separate invoices?
There is a 1 board per order limit. If you want to purchase multiple, you can, but you will have to make multiple purchases.
Post by: Sazuke9 on Sat, 04 May 2019, 19:59:02
Post by: Create_alt_delete on Sat, 04 May 2019, 20:04:17
Is it possible if I can get more than one? Absolutely love them and would love to have 2 different colors for 2 different gmk sets.The answer is in the post right before this.
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Post by: lakeboredom on Sun, 05 May 2019, 05:01:27
Where can we find knobs that look like the smooth ones in the renders? Or any alternate knobs too, would be cool. Is there a diameter or mounting type to search for?
I posted the exact part number above.
Guess I'm not good at searching.. Not sure I'm smart enough to search for knobs based on specs from the encoder. Got any hot leads? I understand if you'd rather we figure that out after the GB!
Post by: upas on Sun, 05 May 2019, 12:23:44
Some updates - the Group buy will end on Monday May 20th. If stock runs out before then, you won’t be able to buy, but you can still edit your option selection until the 20th.
Everyone who purchases will receive an email to a form to select options - you can edit that as many times as you like, but on May 20th, they will be locked in.
Similarly, you have until the 20th to purchase extras.
The OLED screens works with 0305 Mill max hotswap sockets, so if you want to easily swap them, I highly recommend the sockets!
Post by: upas on Sun, 05 May 2019, 21:12:17
Due to the demand, I will be offering CF plates as an add on as well, during the GB.
They will be $40.
Post by: upas on Mon, 06 May 2019, 07:44:31
For the real time clock built in to the keyboard, you will have to source a CR1025 battery.
It痴 not a hard requirement, but the battery will allow the clock to persist through power down.
I can稚 send CR1025 batteries because they are lithium ion batteries, but they are <$1 each and should last up to 10 years.
Post by: thecyangiant on Mon, 06 May 2019, 07:50:36
And yet another post -Can the battery be replaced without de-soldering switches?
For the real time clock built in to the keyboard, you will have to source a CR1025 battery.
It痴 not a hard requirement, but the battery will allow the clock to persist through power down.
I can稚 send CR1025 batteries because they are lithium ion batteries, but they are <$1 each and should last up to 10 years.
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Post by: rondg on Mon, 06 May 2019, 08:23:29
And yet another post -Can the battery be replaced without de-soldering switches?
For the real time clock built in to the keyboard, you will have to source a CR1025 battery.
It痴 not a hard requirement, but the battery will allow the clock to persist through power down.
I can稚 send CR1025 batteries because they are lithium ion batteries, but they are <$1 each and should last up to 10 years.
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If the images on cannonkeys is the real PCB, we should be able to remove the battery even with switches soldered. It's on the underside of the PCB though
Post by: thecyangiant on Mon, 06 May 2019, 08:44:46
Brilliant, thank you!And yet another post -Can the battery be replaced without de-soldering switches?
For the real time clock built in to the keyboard, you will have to source a CR1025 battery.
It痴 not a hard requirement, but the battery will allow the clock to persist through power down.
I can稚 send CR1025 batteries because they are lithium ion batteries, but they are <$1 each and should last up to 10 years.
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If the images on cannonkeys is the real PCB, we should be able to remove the battery even with switches soldered. It's on the underside of the PCB though
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Post by: alfa147x on Mon, 06 May 2019, 10:18:22
A few simple questions:
- Is this a fully assembled keyboard? What are the default switch?
- If not fully assembled - Which switch types are compatible?
Sorry if these were previously answered.
Thanks
Post by: Capsy on Mon, 06 May 2019, 10:25:37
I'm very excited about this group buy.1) Not assembled. It's a do it yourself kit. You'd need to solder in the switches.
A few simple questions:
- Is this a fully assembled keyboard? What are the default switch?
- If not fully assembled - Which switch types are compatible?
Sorry if these were previously answered.
Thanks
2) Any MX style switches are compatible (cherry, gateron, zeal, etc.)
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Post by: Rumblehotep on Mon, 06 May 2019, 10:25:43
Post by: alfa147x on Mon, 06 May 2019, 10:30:14
I'm very excited about this group buy.1) Not assembled. It's a do it yourself kit. You'd need to solder in the switches.
A few simple questions:
- Is this a fully assembled keyboard? What are the default switch?
- If not fully assembled - Which switch types are compatible?
Sorry if these were previously answered.
Thanks
2) Any MX style switches are compatible (cherry, gateron, zeal, etc.)
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Wonderful. Thanks!
Post by: upas on Mon, 06 May 2019, 12:51:40
And yet another post -Can the battery be replaced without de-soldering switches?
For the real time clock built in to the keyboard, you will have to source a CR1025 battery.
It痴 not a hard requirement, but the battery will allow the clock to persist through power down.
I can稚 send CR1025 batteries because they are lithium ion batteries, but they are <$1 each and should last up to 10 years.
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
If the images on cannonkeys is the real PCB, we should be able to remove the battery even with switches soldered. It's on the underside of the PCB though
This is correct - you can remove it without desoldering (soldering a battery sounds... dangerous), and its on the underside of the PCB.
Post by: thecyangiant on Mon, 06 May 2019, 13:09:24
Yeah! Soldering a battery would be bad news.And yet another post -Can the battery be replaced without de-soldering switches?
For the real time clock built in to the keyboard, you will have to source a CR1025 battery.
It痴 not a hard requirement, but the battery will allow the clock to persist through power down.
I can稚 send CR1025 batteries because they are lithium ion batteries, but they are <$1 each and should last up to 10 years.
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
If the images on cannonkeys is the real PCB, we should be able to remove the battery even with switches soldered. It's on the underside of the PCB though
This is correct - you can remove it without desoldering (soldering a battery sounds... dangerous), and its on the underside of the PCB.
My question was really what side of the PCB is the battery housing, and that was answered above. It is on the other side if the pcb from the switches.
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Post by: nadayada on Mon, 06 May 2019, 13:38:25
Post by: xondat on Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:02:35
Post by: lakeboredom on Mon, 06 May 2019, 16:46:07
Post by: Slash Emperor on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:05:04
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:05:20
That's what I get for going to the bathroom right before the GB started.
Post by: Kevadu on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:05:28
Post by: lakeboredom on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:06:09
Do Mill-Max sockets fit every pin hole on the pcb?Oh, and how many sockets are needed for the oled screen? There's a GB for millmax sockets running right now fyi guys.
Post by: lakeboredom on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:06:49
Ordered, but I noticed there was no option for choosing color when ordering, other than white which costs more. Where do we specify that?It says clearly multiple times here you will fill out a google form with your options AFTER paying.
Post by: trizkut on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:08:36
Post by: cfiggis on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:08:57
Post by: jaang on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:10:23
If we want a pearlescent knob, is that one of the options in the form, or do we need to go back and order it separately?
Should be an extra that you add to your cart, not one of the options in the form.
Post by: upas on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:12:30
Super amazed at the demand! The cloud white addon sold out within 3 minutes.
If your cart did not have the cloud white addon, it means it was sold out when you purchased.
If you did checkout and wanted white, but placed your purchase after the addon ran out, please let me know if you want to cancel your order.
Thanks,
Upas
Post by: Slash Emperor on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:13:08
Wow...did all of the white units really sell out in under 2 minutes?!
That's what I get for going to the bathroom right before the GB started.
Damn, that fast? Makes me wonder how soon all 200 slots will fill, then.
Post by: jaang on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:15:07
Hey everyone,
Super amazed at the demand! The cloud white addon sold out within 3 minutes.
If your cart did not have the cloud white addon, it means it was sold out when you purchased.
If you did checkout and wanted white, but placed your purchase after the addon ran out, please let me know if you want to cancel your order.
Thanks,
Upas
If in our order history, the white addon is there, it should be fine correct?
Post by: DuellM on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:23:16
Post by: japancakes on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:27:13
Had Cloud White in cart in the first 2 seconds and missed it as a result. Stormy Grey it is (unless someone wants to trade!)
PM me about any Cloud White cancellations or refunds plz.
Post by: upas on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:38:27
Hey everyone,
Super amazed at the demand! The cloud white addon sold out within 3 minutes.
If your cart did not have the cloud white addon, it means it was sold out when you purchased.
If you did checkout and wanted white, but placed your purchase after the addon ran out, please let me know if you want to cancel your order.
Thanks,
Upas
If in our order history, the white addon is there, it should be fine correct?
Yep - it should be an actual line item with a $20 charge.
If there is no additional $20 charge, it means you tried to get it but it sold out.
Post by: eyedrop on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:45:04
Post by: Clo_0lD on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:49:31
Do you have a picture comparing the white and blue OLED screen?
There are pictures of them on the OLED product page on CannonKeys.
Post by: eyedrop on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:57:54
Do you have a picture comparing the white and blue OLED screen?
There are pictures of them on the OLED product page on CannonKeys.
Thanks, I guess that'll do for now. :)
Post by: eyedrop on Mon, 06 May 2019, 17:59:01
Wow...did all of the white units really sell out in under 2 minutes?!
That's what I get for going to the bathroom right before the GB started.
Better than 2 seconds. :p
What color did you end up picking instead?
Post by: lakeboredom on Mon, 06 May 2019, 18:02:59
Lol, what else were you hoping for? You wanted pics, there are pics. You guess thats okay? Exactly what you wanted? lol..Do you have a picture comparing the white and blue OLED screen?
There are pictures of them on the OLED product page on CannonKeys.
Thanks, I guess that'll do for now. :)
Post by: eyedrop on Mon, 06 May 2019, 18:09:08
Lol, what else were you hoping for? You wanted pics, there are pics. You guess thats okay? Exactly what you wanted? lol..Do you have a picture comparing the white and blue OLED screen?
There are pictures of them on the OLED product page on CannonKeys.
Thanks, I guess that'll do for now. :)
I was hoping upas has renders of the different screen on different color board. Since I didn't get navy, I want to see how they pair with other color board. That's all.
Post by: rondg on Mon, 06 May 2019, 18:15:20
Post by: Create_alt_delete on Mon, 06 May 2019, 18:19:43
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Post by: mrpetrov on Mon, 06 May 2019, 20:06:31
I need to go cool off a bit... so ****ing pissed at the Shopify SMS confirmation.
Had Cloud White in cart in the first 2 seconds and missed it as a result. Stormy Grey it is (unless someone wants to trade!)
PM me about any Cloud White cancellations or refunds plz.
My dude I got the Stormy Grey by choice over the cloud white! You have made the right long term decision, don't worry. Super compatible and easy on the eyes for long sessions. Team Stormy!
Post by: Keebmeupscotty on Mon, 06 May 2019, 20:30:16
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 07 May 2019, 00:08:28
I wonder how many spots are left ;D
Post by: cynnoh on Tue, 07 May 2019, 01:45:37
Post by: bj on Tue, 07 May 2019, 02:18:48
Post by: celta on Tue, 07 May 2019, 04:06:29
Post by: Clo_0lD on Tue, 07 May 2019, 04:11:24
So I've purchased a kit, but asides from the white add on there weren't any other options for colors. Do we get to pick these later or did I miss something somewhere?
Look for an email from CannonKeys. There will be a link to a google form that asks for your order info and lets you choose the color of the case, OLED, and knob.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Tue, 07 May 2019, 07:09:55
Post by: xondat on Tue, 07 May 2019, 07:20:57
I wonder what the total number of sold units will be at the 24-hour mark?
34 left right now... Might make 180 total?
Post by: Slash Emperor on Tue, 07 May 2019, 07:36:35
I wonder what the total number of sold units will be at the 24-hour mark?
34 left right now... Might make 180 total?
Wow, that's a hell of a start. I'm really happy for upas on such a successful start to this GB.
I'm glad I got my orders in when I did, I'd be real mad at myself if I slept on this. Time to start picking out my extra knobs/plates/PCBs.
Post by: upas on Tue, 07 May 2019, 12:23:52
I'll be doing an audit of form submissions tonight to make sure that people who selected cloud white actually were able to add it to cart.
If you missed the cutoff, I will be emailing you for next steps / potential to cancel since you didn't get cloud white.
Also, if you missed the email for the form, please check your spam folder or promotions folder. Filling out the form is very important! And if you need to revise your selection, you can just resubmit.
I will be releasing a spreadsheet of order numbers to option selections so that everyone can double check what I have for them is correct. It will be released tonight, then updated again on Monday. As the group buy comes closer to a close, I will update more frequently.
EDIT: I will do this by tomorrow evening - tonight got taken up by some other stuff.
Post by: Rak8886 on Tue, 07 May 2019, 12:40:44
Post by: upas on Tue, 07 May 2019, 14:13:34
Why is cloud white option only limited to 40?
I posted this earlier on reddit:
The e-white finish is difficult. There are lower yields, and it costs more. Limiting the units decreases the chance that catastrophic things happen that could put the whole group buy at risk.
Trust me, if I could offer unlimited e-white spots, I would. Some group buy runners who live in China are able to do this, as they can actually go visit the factory in-person multiple times and have a tight communication loop. I’m in the US, so in order to ensure a smooth group buy, I had to limit the e white spots.
Post by: lakeboredom on Tue, 07 May 2019, 18:22:30
Post by: Kevadu on Tue, 07 May 2019, 19:45:30
Also, if you missed the email for the form, please check your spam folder or promotions folder. Filling out the form is very important! And if you need to revise your selection, you can just resubmit.
Was this email sent out already? I checked my spam and promotions folders and I never got it.
Post by: Clo_0lD on Tue, 07 May 2019, 20:57:50
Also, if you missed the email for the form, please check your spam folder or promotions folder. Filling out the form is very important! And if you need to revise your selection, you can just resubmit.
Was this email sent out already? I checked my spam and promotions folders and I never got it.
The email was sent about a minute after I ordered.
Also, Upas, do you know if 7305 millmax sockets will fit the PCB?
Post by: phorx on Wed, 08 May 2019, 05:21:20
The OLED screens works with 0305 Mill max hotswap sockets, so if you want to easily swap them, I highly recommend the sockets!
Post by: upas on Thu, 09 May 2019, 09:06:43
Also, if you missed the email for the form, please check your spam folder or promotions folder. Filling out the form is very important! And if you need to revise your selection, you can just resubmit.
Was this email sent out already? I checked my spam and promotions folders and I never got it.
The email was sent about a minute after I ordered.
Also, Upas, do you know if 7305 millmax sockets will fit the PCB?
7305 and 0305 should work for switches. DMC is sending me some 7305 so I can test them on the OLED.
0305 confirmed works for the OLED.
I had a house fire and have been dealing with that recently. Everything and everyone is ok.
But as a result my form audit has been delayed. Hopefully soon!
Post by: crd on Thu, 09 May 2019, 10:21:50
I had a house fire and have been dealing with that recently. Everything and everyone is ok.
But as a result my form audit has been delayed. Hopefully soon!
Oh no! So sorry to hear about this. Sending good vibes.
Post by: mta on Thu, 09 May 2019, 12:22:23
Post by: nostr on Thu, 09 May 2019, 12:30:58
Post by: mxgian99 on Thu, 09 May 2019, 13:17:18
this GB will deliver in sept/oct. so its gonna be a while before it runs again.
Post by: KevlarBear on Thu, 09 May 2019, 13:25:40
Any plans to run this again in the future?
If you are thinking of getting one, I'd get one now while they are still available instead of waiting on a 2nd round, which isn't something that is guaranteed to happen
Post by: mta on Thu, 09 May 2019, 13:29:29
edit: Bought anyway oof
Post by: phorx on Thu, 09 May 2019, 13:50:29
Post by: DuellM on Thu, 09 May 2019, 15:33:12
Post by: ppnp253 on Thu, 09 May 2019, 16:17:07
Do you guys think adding hotswap sockets to this keyboard is something I first time solderer should undertake or should I just solder switches on and be done with it? I'm new to keyboard/soldering. You know what I mean ;)I just recently made my first hotswap board with Mill Max sockets and it's not that difficult. You just need to make sure the switches are in correctly and that you don't use too much solder.
Post by: DuellM on Fri, 10 May 2019, 06:40:37
Post by: Tekniqs on Fri, 10 May 2019, 15:35:30
Post by: vision-quest on Fri, 10 May 2019, 16:06:36
Post by: nasp on Fri, 10 May 2019, 16:27:56
Ugh, still unsure whether to go with the blue or dark gray. Probably going to pair with the Metropolis so maybe blue would be better?
Dark gray IMO. It'll also pair better with other sets if for some reason you were to put something else on the Satisfaction besides Metropolis.
Post by: vision-quest on Fri, 10 May 2019, 16:36:39
Ugh, still unsure whether to go with the blue or dark gray. Probably going to pair with the Metropolis so maybe blue would be better?
Dark gray IMO. It'll also pair better with other sets if for some reason you were to put something else on the Satisfaction besides Metropolis.
Yeah I definitely considered the versatility of the dark gray. Now to decide on LED display... blue looks nice but again, less flexible with other sets.
Post by: moonux on Fri, 10 May 2019, 17:07:48
Ugh, still unsure whether to go with the blue or dark gray. Probably going to pair with the Metropolis so maybe blue would be better?I'm going with dark blue for Metropolis as well. I think they're going to look amazing together, along with that brass knob. Every keyboard has a gray option, but I find this shade of blue less common. Of course, if this is end game, maybe gray is the better choice for its versatility.
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Post by: Macmutant on Fri, 10 May 2019, 17:47:53
I'm going with blue, also. Planning to pair with Calm Depths, but also have Metropolis coming, so that could be an option. I like sets with blue in them, so not too worried about versatility. You can't go wrong with the gray, though. Seems like you could pair it with just about anything. I went with a blue LED, but also grabbed a white spare, just in case.Ugh, still unsure whether to go with the blue or dark gray. Probably going to pair with the Metropolis so maybe blue would be better?I'm going with dark blue for Metropolis as well. I think they're going to look amazing together, along with that brass knob. Every keyboard has a gray option, but I find this shade of blue less common. Of course, if this is end game, maybe gray is the better choice for its versatility.
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Post by: Clo_0lD on Fri, 10 May 2019, 22:01:05
Also, if you missed the email for the form, please check your spam folder or promotions folder. Filling out the form is very important! And if you need to revise your selection, you can just resubmit.
Was this email sent out already? I checked my spam and promotions folders and I never got it.
The email was sent about a minute after I ordered.
Also, Upas, do you know if 7305 millmax sockets will fit the PCB?
7305 and 0305 should work for switches. DMC is sending me some 7305 so I can test them on the OLED.
0305 confirmed works for the OLED.
I had a house fire and have been dealing with that recently. Everything and everyone is ok.
But as a result my form audit has been delayed. Hopefully soon!
Glad everyone is okay and the fire wasn't too bad over there.
Thanks for the info on the sockets. Also, I have one other question about the knobs and rotary encoder. Knobs meant for solid shaft pots would still fit the flat/d shaft pot of the S75 as long as they can be screwed in, right? I've found some guitar knobs that are good dimensions wise, but it says they are for solid and split shafts and I can't really find any info on their compatibility with the flat/d shaft pots.
Post by: rondg on Fri, 10 May 2019, 23:20:27
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Sat, 11 May 2019, 00:39:46
Anyone knows where to find Milmax sockets?
Group Buys on /r/mechmarket.
Or search for 0305 or 0705 millmax sockets on digikey or mouser.
Post by: Hell-es on Sat, 11 May 2019, 10:56:06
Post by: rondg on Sat, 11 May 2019, 16:44:26
Just for clarification - what do I have todo by myself? Just soldering switches and adding stabs or anything else with encoder etc.? Total noob here ;)
I think that's basically it. You might want to test the pcb first before soldering anything. Download Switch Hitter, and short each key.
Post by: ian13 on Sat, 11 May 2019, 20:37:04
Post by: vision-quest on Sun, 12 May 2019, 14:21:37
yo Upas. any source on maybe a flatter knob style ala the renders? those things look great with their coinciding keycaps
I would also like to know this. That blue flat encoder with the modern dolch in the render is amazing and I would love to get my hands on one.
Post by: KevlarBear on Sun, 12 May 2019, 14:31:34
yo Upas. any source on maybe a flatter knob style ala the renders? those things look great with their coinciding keycaps
I would also like to know this. That blue flat encoder with the modern dolch in the render is amazing and I would love to get my hands on one.
Best bet is to search for them. What I've been searching for are guitar knobs with a max outer diameter of 19mm and a shaft diameter of 6mm with some sort of screw mechanism to make sure it attaches to the alps encoder shaft
Post by: DuellM on Sun, 12 May 2019, 17:05:48
The Abalone Version of these knobs look pretty nice, might have to pick some up one along with the Pearloid versions
Post by: mrpetrov on Sun, 12 May 2019, 18:50:03
Post by: DuellM on Sun, 12 May 2019, 21:19:00
The mini Domes on this site are pretty low and they come in a lot of diffrent top colors and finishes (you get the finish option when you click on one) they may be a good option.
https://www.qparts.com/index.php/knob/mini-dome.html
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sun, 12 May 2019, 22:06:47
Nice find, thanks!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CHfuRRQ.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uNJWDgA.jpg)
The mini Domes on this site are pretty low and they come in a lot of diffrent top colors and finishes (you get the finish option when you click on one) they may be a good option.
https://www.qparts.com/index.php/knob/mini-dome.html
Post by: Clo_0lD on Sun, 12 May 2019, 23:18:58
Post by: ian13 on Mon, 13 May 2019, 04:53:55
Damn, this hobby forces people to develop multiple personalities :-\
Post by: booshi on Mon, 13 May 2019, 11:14:51
Post by: Boy_314 on Mon, 13 May 2019, 11:20:55
Only blue is available. Cloud white has been sold out for a bit now.
blue is not the only non-white color option
Post by: upas on Mon, 13 May 2019, 22:44:10
I performed the audit and public spreadsheet parsing today.
You can see the results here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ak-TL8ng2dmhJuuQSQ8STyjWctciFrhVIKanwmQ1qBE/edit?usp=sharing
There are a few orders that ordered cloud white that didn't buy the addon - I'll be reaching out to you shortly.
Similarly, there are some orders without any form submissions. You'll also be receiving an email from me soon!
Post by: Tekniqs on Mon, 13 May 2019, 22:53:54
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yo upas..any place to get a flat style knob like they are in the keeb renders?
Post by: upas on Mon, 13 May 2019, 23:01:10
AFAIK, A knob like that would have to be custom made. If anyone finds one in-stock somewhere, please let us know in this thread :)
Post by: IggyL on Wed, 15 May 2019, 09:00:00
Post by: Slash Emperor on Wed, 15 May 2019, 09:42:02
For the extra PCBs, since you have to solder the rotary encoder and the OLED screen to it, I was just wondering if that'll essentially just be like soldering switches? I have only soldered switches before and just wanted to check before I could potentially screw it up.
Post by: upas on Wed, 15 May 2019, 10:15:35
Does this PCB support USB-C to USB-C cables?
Yes, it does.
Finally sat down and put together my order for extras. This'll be very exciting!
For the extra PCBs, since you have to solder the rotary encoder and the OLED screen to it, I was just wondering if that'll essentially just be like soldering switches? I have only soldered switches before and just wanted to check before I could potentially screw it up.
It's just like soldering switches. Both are easy through hole parts :)
Post by: Slash Emperor on Wed, 15 May 2019, 10:23:22
Finally sat down and put together my order for extras. This'll be very exciting!
For the extra PCBs, since you have to solder the rotary encoder and the OLED screen to it, I was just wondering if that'll essentially just be like soldering switches? I have only soldered switches before and just wanted to check before I could potentially screw it up.
It's just like soldering switches. Both are easy through hole parts :)
Excellent news, thank you! Had to snag a couple extra PCBs so I could test out the plate options. Never used FR4 before, so I am excited.
Post by: upas on Wed, 15 May 2019, 15:46:57
The S75 Group buy is now officially sold out! The only way more units will be released is if someone doesn't submit options by the 20th.
I'll be updating the spreadsheet today, then every day from Friday to Monday.
Options will be locked after May 20th, 11:59PM EDT.
EDIT: The spreadsheet is updated. 11 orders still do not have options selected. I'll start sending more nag emails about it.
Post by: Tekniqs on Wed, 15 May 2019, 17:07:27
Hey everyone,
The S75 Group buy is now officially sold out! The only way more units will be released is if someone doesn't submit options by the 20th.
I'll be updating the spreadsheet today, then every day from Friday to Monday.
Options will be locked after May 20th, 11:59PM EDT.
EDIT: The spreadsheet is updated. 11 orders still do not have options selected. I'll start sending more nag emails about it.
nice! congrats man.
edit: how do we go about modifying our order? I went for a silver knob but thinking i should have probably gotten the black knob option.
Post by: HekusuTekusu on Wed, 15 May 2019, 18:39:26
Hey everyone,
The S75 Group buy is now officially sold out! The only way more units will be released is if someone doesn't submit options by the 20th.
I'll be updating the spreadsheet today, then every day from Friday to Monday.
Options will be locked after May 20th, 11:59PM EDT.
EDIT: The spreadsheet is updated. 11 orders still do not have options selected. I'll start sending more nag emails about it.
nice! congrats man.
edit: how do we go about modifying our order? I went for a silver knob but thinking i should have probably gotten the black knob option.
When you first filled in your form, you should have received an email copy of your own responses and there should be an edit response at the top.
Post by: Tekniqs on Thu, 16 May 2019, 04:31:16
When you first filled in your form, you should have received an email copy of your own responses and there should be an edit response at the top.
hmmm i'm not sure i did get an email copy of my responses. searched gmail via cannonkeys and satisfaction75. I can only find the original email i got that links to the form.
Post by: upas on Thu, 16 May 2019, 05:42:52
When you first filled in your form, you should have received an email copy of your own responses and there should be an edit response at the top.
hmmm i'm not sure i did get an email copy of my responses. searched gmail via cannonkeys and satisfaction75. I can only find the original email i got that links to the form.
If you can稚 find the edit link, feel free to resubmit. I値l use the most recent submission.
Post by: R0N1N on Fri, 17 May 2019, 03:52:51
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Post by: Gobluebro on Fri, 17 May 2019, 06:56:47
I'm in a similar situation and don't have a copy of my responses, should I submit again?
Check the first page for the excel document with everyone's responses. Look up your order number and check to see if it has something listed instead of N/A. If it does, then you have submitted your form correctly.
Post by: R0N1N on Fri, 17 May 2019, 07:03:58
It is there, thank you.I'm in a similar situation and don't have a copy of my responses, should I submit again?
Check the first page for the excel document with everyone's responses. Look up your order number and check to see if it has something listed instead of N/A. If it does, then you have submitted your form correctly.
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Post by: upas on Fri, 17 May 2019, 22:31:25
Post by: Clo_0lD on Sat, 18 May 2019, 20:10:42
Got a peach knob for my white S75 and peaches and cream and I got the eyeball because I liked it so why not... I think I'm going to have to file the bottom edges of the eyeball though because I think it's going to be too big on the bottom.
Post by: IggyL on Sat, 18 May 2019, 20:36:09
Post by: upas on Sat, 18 May 2019, 23:10:50
Hey I haven't gotten an email with my responses nor is my order updated on the form. What are my options?
I just updated the spreadsheet.
Make sure you're looking at the 5/18 page.
There are still 8 people without responses, please get everything submitted by Sunday!
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sun, 19 May 2019, 00:39:38
(Attachment Link)
Got a peach knob for my white S75 and peaches and cream and I got the eyeball because I liked it so why not... I think I'm going to have to file the bottom edges of the eyeball though because I think it's going to be too big on the bottom.
Wow that is cool as hell
Post by: stillzman on Sun, 19 May 2019, 08:01:48
(Attachment Link)
Got a peach knob for my white S75 and peaches and cream and I got the eyeball because I liked it so why not... I think I'm going to have to file the bottom edges of the eyeball though because I think it's going to be too big on the bottom.
thats awesome, where did you get them? do they have other designs? different colors?
Post by: Clo_0lD on Sun, 19 May 2019, 12:31:12
Super happy to be a part of this but a bit bummed to have missed out on cloud white :((Attachment Link)
Got a peach knob for my white S75 and peaches and cream and I got the eyeball because I liked it so why not... I think I'm going to have to file the bottom edges of the eyeball though because I think it's going to be too big on the bottom.
xentricguitars on ebay. They have plenty of other options and colors for their normal knobs. They also have some other unique ones like the eyeball, but I don't think a lot of the unique ones are going to fit the dimensions of the S75. Good thing is that all the normal colored options should fit.
thats awesome, where did you get them? do they have other designs? different colors?
Post by: stillzman on Sun, 19 May 2019, 16:49:10
Super happy to be a part of this but a bit bummed to have missed out on cloud white :((Attachment Link)
Thank you for the info!
Got a peach knob for my white S75 and peaches and cream and I got the eyeball because I liked it so why not... I think I'm going to have to file the bottom edges of the eyeball though because I think it's going to be too big on the bottom.
xentricguitars on ebay. They have plenty of other options and colors for their normal knobs. They also have some other unique ones like the eyeball, but I don't think a lot of the unique ones are going to fit the dimensions of the S75. Good thing is that all the normal colored options should fit.
thats awesome, where did you get them? do they have other designs? different colors?
Post by: vision-quest on Sun, 19 May 2019, 22:01:10
Post by: upas on Sun, 19 May 2019, 22:12:40
The spreadsheet has been updated again, make sure you look at the 5/19 sheet and make any changes before 11:59PM Eastern on 5/20.
There are still 5 people who haven't submitted forms. GET THOSE IN ASAP!!! I'm sending out a few more nag emails tomorrow.
Post by: ian13 on Mon, 20 May 2019, 04:32:39
Post by: upas on Mon, 20 May 2019, 21:17:44
You guys have till I finalize the spreadsheet tomorrow to make changes.
Fill it out ASAP and get your orders for extras in!
P.S. 3 people have still not filled out the form. All the cloud white spots are spoken for, but 3 normal spots may be re-released, if those people do not submit the form by midnight tonight. I've sent out multiple emails, so now it's on them.
Post by: vision-quest on Mon, 20 May 2019, 21:32:05
Post by: mrpetrov on Mon, 20 May 2019, 21:33:35
Any reason NOT to go WKL that I'm missing? I don't need the function down there as I can have it on the far right, and it seems to look better as WKL.
If you don't need the key(s) and you prefer the aesthetic, go WKL (I'm going WKL for the same reason).
Post by: mxgian99 on Mon, 20 May 2019, 22:06:09
Any reason NOT to go WKL that I'm missing? I don't need the function down there as I can have it on the far right, and it seems to look better as WKL.
If you don't need the key(s) and you prefer the aesthetic, go WKL (I'm going WKL for the same reason).
i can go either way, while i like the look of WKL, there are still some keysets that don't include the right 1.5u mods and 7u spacebars (really the SP sets), most of the GMK sets seem to include them now. but if you're not worried about keyset compat, like the look of WKL and dont need the keys then go for it.
i use MAC and prefer 3 keys to the left of space.
Post by: ian13 on Tue, 21 May 2019, 03:58:22
I've updated the spreadsheet with today's data.
You guys have till I finalize the spreadsheet tomorrow to make changes.
Fill it out ASAP and get your orders for extras in!
P.S. 3 people have still not filled out the form. All the cloud white spots are spoken for, but 3 normal spots may be re-released, if those people do not submit the form by midnight tonight. I've sent out multiple emails, so now it's on them.
Oof! Will it be reopened automatically on your website or will it be communicated here in gh? Still hoping to get one as I have missed this due to my busy work schedule :(
Post by: upas on Tue, 21 May 2019, 08:32:11
After 6 PM tonight, I will release the DXF files.
The spreadsheet has been updated with final option selections. New submissions will no longer be taken into account.
Extras are still available, but will be closed at 6 PM today along with the overall GB.
Post by: StrangPrisoner on Tue, 21 May 2019, 16:34:20
Post by: upas on Tue, 21 May 2019, 18:53:50
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ak-TL8ng2dmhJuuQSQ8STyjWctciFrhVIKanwmQ1qBE/edit#gid=344720220
The GB is now officially closed!
Post by: vision-quest on Tue, 21 May 2019, 20:44:14
Post by: upas on Tue, 21 May 2019, 21:11:27
This is true - one person who purchased cloud white actually changed their selection.
I've contacted that person to make sure they wanted to do that.
If that is the case, I will be raffling off the last Cloud White spot to someone already in the GB.
Post by: vision-quest on Tue, 21 May 2019, 21:28:34
Some astute observers have noticed only 39 people selected Cloud White in the options form.
This is true - one person who purchased cloud white actually changed their selection.
I've contacted that person to make sure they wanted to do that.
If that is the case, I will be raffling off the last Cloud White spot to someone already in the GB.
Nice.
Post by: upas on Wed, 22 May 2019, 10:16:00
https://forms.gle/WUvWzrJxEgnnfa6SA
Please submit ONE TIME ONLY. I will use the email address associated with your order number for communication.
Raffle entries close on Friday May 24th, 2019, 5 PM EDT
Post by: eyedrop on Wed, 22 May 2019, 12:05:40
Post by: HekusuTekusu on Thu, 23 May 2019, 18:15:01
Post by: upas on Fri, 24 May 2019, 13:10:29
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx2rzLNnZsq/?igshid=10uc0ekvgl14s
More details there, and to follow :)
Post by: mgsickler on Fri, 24 May 2019, 16:34:58
I'm extremely happy to announce that I've been working with TTYler Durden from CYO Keycaps on an artisan knob.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx2rzLNnZsq/?igshid=10uc0ekvgl14s
More details there, and to follow :)
Love this! The knob is the new accessory.
Post by: upas on Fri, 24 May 2019, 21:01:00
I've sent you an email with further instructions.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 24 May 2019, 21:24:05
I'm extremely happy to announce that I've been working with TTYler Durden from CYO Keycaps on an artisan knob.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx2rzLNnZsq/?igshid=10uc0ekvgl14s
More details there, and to follow :)
Bloody fantastic knob there mate.
Artisan knobs are the future.
Post by: vision-quest on Sat, 25 May 2019, 12:05:23
Congratulations to Order #1583 - you've won the raffle for the last Cloud White unit.
I've sent you an email with further instructions.
Damn, so close. Congrats 1583 :thumb:
Post by: upas on Sun, 26 May 2019, 19:13:43
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b2ok2f5bp54jxd3/AACJfer2a8j8vCob7Kw_w6ZRa?dl=0
Enjoy :)
Post by: rondg on Sun, 26 May 2019, 19:29:15
As promised, I'm open sourcing the DXFs for the Satisfaction75 plate.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b2ok2f5bp54jxd3/AACJfer2a8j8vCob7Kw_w6ZRa?dl=0
Enjoy :)
Thanks! ;D
Post by: KeyCap75 on Mon, 27 May 2019, 02:37:13
I'm extremely happy to announce that I've been working with TTYler Durden from CYO Keycaps on an artisan knob.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx2rzLNnZsq/?igshid=10uc0ekvgl14s
More details there, and to follow :)
WOW! Stunning! :eek:
Post by: upas on Wed, 19 June 2019, 08:47:02
The keyboard cases, RAMA Knobs, FR4 plates, and PCBs are all undergoing manufacturing.
OLED screens and CF plates have already finished manufacturing and are on their way.
Keep your eyes open for the SatisKracken artisan knob release, coming soon!
There are still more custom knobs being developed.
Post by: vision-quest on Wed, 19 June 2019, 10:14:08
Hey guys, just some quick updates:
The keyboard cases, RAMA Knobs, FR4 plates, and PCBs are all undergoing manufacturing.
OLED screens and CF plates have already finished manufacturing and are on their way.
Keep your eyes open for the SatisKracken artisan knob release, coming soon!
There are still more custom knobs being developed.
Appreciate the update :thumb:
Post by: toejelly on Wed, 19 June 2019, 23:57:42
Hey guys, just some quick updates:
The keyboard cases, RAMA Knobs, FR4 plates, and PCBs are all undergoing manufacturing.
OLED screens and CF plates have already finished manufacturing and are on their way.
Keep your eyes open for the SatisKracken artisan knob release, coming soon!
There are still more custom knobs being developed.
saweeeeet! super interested in all these future knob options
Post by: e_bb on Sat, 22 June 2019, 12:42:06
Post by: NoEndGame on Mon, 24 June 2019, 17:16:13
Post by: Sazuke9 on Fri, 28 June 2019, 02:51:04
#5893 :)
Post by: japancakes on Fri, 28 June 2019, 12:20:48
Out of fund for an upcoming board. Looking to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
PM'ed
Post by: nicx on Fri, 28 June 2019, 22:12:44
Aside from that, this is one of the sickest boards i've seen on here. If I missed something about the durability of the knob, I would totally be down to pick up a cloud white one from someone.
Post by: Sazuke9 on Fri, 05 July 2019, 16:06:39
#5893 :)
Post by: Clo_0lD on Fri, 05 July 2019, 16:22:38
Still looking for a buyer. Need to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
If it doesn't work out for you here, then post it over on the mechmarket discord page. I'm sure someone over there will pick it up pretty quick.
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 05 July 2019, 16:28:16
Still looking for a buyer. Need to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
If it doesn't work out for you here, then post it over on the mechmarket discord page. I'm sure someone over there will pick it up pretty quick.
Personally, i just don't trust it. I want a cloud white kit, but I can't trust this person to change address when they don't exactly seem to be honest about why they're selling their spot in the first place.
Post by: rondg on Fri, 05 July 2019, 17:49:59
Still looking for a buyer. Need to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
If it doesn't work out for you here, then post it over on the mechmarket discord page. I'm sure someone over there will pick it up pretty quick.
Personally, i just don't trust it. I want a cloud white kit, but I can't trust this person to change address when they don't exactly seem to be honest about why they're selling their spot in the first place.
Yeah. At the very least, include the GB runner in the transaction. All 3 should communicate. Of course, this all depends with the GB runner, if he will permit this or not.
Post by: Sazuke9 on Sat, 06 July 2019, 08:52:50
Will do, thanks!Still looking for a buyer. Need to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
If it doesn't work out for you here, then post it over on the mechmarket discord page. I'm sure someone over there will pick it up pretty quick.
Post by: Sazuke9 on Sat, 06 July 2019, 08:56:35
PM => Pay with Paypal Good and Services => then I will contact the gb runner to change the address(Will CC the buyer in the mail as well). Just need money for an upcoming board nothing to worry about lolStill looking for a buyer. Need to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
If it doesn't work out for you here, then post it over on the mechmarket discord page. I'm sure someone over there will pick it up pretty quick.
Personally, i just don't trust it. I want a cloud white kit, but I can't trust this person to change address when they don't exactly seem to be honest about why they're selling their spot in the first place.
Post by: upas on Tue, 09 July 2019, 08:32:41
Still looking for a buyer. Need to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
If it doesn't work out for you here, then post it over on the mechmarket discord page. I'm sure someone over there will pick it up pretty quick.
Personally, i just don't trust it. I want a cloud white kit, but I can't trust this person to change address when they don't exactly seem to be honest about why they're selling their spot in the first place.
Yeah. At the very least, include the GB runner in the transaction. All 3 should communicate. Of course, this all depends with the GB runner, if he will permit this or not.
Still looking for a buyer. Need to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
If it doesn't work out for you here, then post it over on the mechmarket discord page. I'm sure someone over there will pick it up pretty quick.
Personally, i just don't trust it. I want a cloud white kit, but I can't trust this person to change address when they don't exactly seem to be honest about why they're selling their spot in the first place.
PM => Pay with Paypal Good and Services => then I will contact the gb runner to change the address(Will CC the buyer in the mail as well). Just need money for an upcoming board nothing to worry about lolStill looking for a buyer. Need to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
If it doesn't work out for you here, then post it over on the mechmarket discord page. I'm sure someone over there will pick it up pretty quick.
Personally, i just don't trust it. I want a cloud white kit, but I can't trust this person to change address when they don't exactly seem to be honest about why they're selling their spot in the first place.
Hey guys,
So, in the past I have allowed a transfer of a single spot. Both the seller and buyer kept me in the loop, and to the best of my knowledge, the spot was sold at the GB price.
It's come to my attention that there may be unscrupulous folks trying to sell their spots without looping me in, and also trying to make a significant profit. ($300 profit at first). This individual also claimed that they bought their spot resale, which is patently false.
For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping.
It's extremely hard for me to keep track of all of these things, and it causes a significant amount of extra work and makes me assume extra risk, so from here on out, I will no longer allow transfers of GB spots. I understand that things can happen in life, and if circumstances come up where you might need the money, please send me an email with proof to support <at> cannonkeys.com and we can work something out.
The individual who was trying to flip the spot has been refunded in full, and his unit will be sold as an extra after all of the group buy participants have received their boards.
Post by: Sazuke9 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 10:51:46
"For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping." Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable. Not sure why there is such acting in a free market economy. This should only be happening in China and North Korea lol. Anyways, I don't care if you cancelled my order, however, there should be some compensation for holding my money for 2 months even the greedy bank give some back for their customers. I am not asking for one. But most keyboard designers have to go through gb and not have product available in-store is because lack of funds to support their projects. If this is how you treat the people who entrusted the money to you to do your project then it is quite disappointing.
Post by: xondat on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:01:01
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could.
Get a job
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:04:33
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are. There was another buyer who pm'ed before him so I told him if I cannot work out a plan with this buyer within a week then it will for him at cost. It wasn't even a week yet, and he already pmed me. However, when it was over a week and I pmd him asking if he still wants it. He didn't respond for 2 days. "I was at my best friend's wedding all weekend and my daughter was in the hospital today" lol dude u were online in those 2 days. Discord doesn't lie lol. I asked for 500 + 50 PP(who knows how PayPal fee work lol). It's only a few dollars difference. He then asked me to do F&F to save money. It is understandable, but I don't even know who is this guy why would I do F&F. I even let him know beforehand that I only do G&S. After that, I tried to tell him to look for someone's else. He insisted on buying and said, "whatev just do that". Okay, so I spent my lunch break to sent him an invoice. Somehow, he changed his mind and told me "Sorry to bother but can you edit for $499.21 then select buyer pays fees? It should automatically add them to my total when I pay it". Like there is an option for that? At this point, he just gonna waste more of my time, and I told him to look for someone's else to buy.
"For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping." Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable. Not sure why there is such acting in a free market economy. This should only be happening in China and North Korea lol. Anyways, I don't care if you cancelled my order, however, there should be some compensation for holding my money for 2 months even the greedy bank give some back for their customers. I am not asking for one. But most keyboard designers have to go through gb and not have product available in-store is because lack of funds to support their projects. If this is how you treat the people who entrusted the money to you to do your project then it is quite disappointing.
Sorry you lost your spot bro, but this all sounds like a you problem
Post by: Sazuke9 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:08:02
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could.
Get a job
What is your point?
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:09:22
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could.
Get a job
What is your point?
Post by: Sazuke9 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:11:14
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are. There was another buyer who pm'ed before him so I told him if I cannot work out a plan with this buyer within a week then it will for him at cost. It wasn't even a week yet, and he already pmed me. However, when it was over a week and I pmd him asking if he still wants it. He didn't respond for 2 days. "I was at my best friend's wedding all weekend and my daughter was in the hospital today" lol dude u were online in those 2 days. Discord doesn't lie lol. I asked for 500 + 50 PP(who knows how PayPal fee work lol). It's only a few dollars difference. He then asked me to do F&F to save money. It is understandable, but I don't even know who is this guy why would I do F&F. I even let him know beforehand that I only do G&S. After that, I tried to tell him to look for someone's else. He insisted on buying and said, "whatev just do that". Okay, so I spent my lunch break to sent him an invoice. Somehow, he changed his mind and told me "Sorry to bother but can you edit for $499.21 then select buyer pays fees? It should automatically add them to my total when I pay it". Like there is an option for that? At this point, he just gonna waste more of my time, and I told him to look for someone's else to buy.
"For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping." Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable. Not sure why there is such acting in a free market economy. This should only be happening in China and North Korea lol. Anyways, I don't care if you cancelled my order, however, there should be some compensation for holding my money for 2 months even the greedy bank give some back for their customers. I am not asking for one. But most keyboard designers have to go through gb and not have product available in-store is because lack of funds to support their projects. If this is how you treat the people who entrusted the money to you to do your project then it is quite disappointing.
Sorry you lost your spot bro, but this all sounds like a you problem
Can you explain why is it on my end? I am pretty sure Amazon or Bestbuy or any other online shops wouldn't have done the same thing.
Post by: gt1989 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:30:24
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are. There was another buyer who pm'ed before him so I told him if I cannot work out a plan with this buyer within a week then it will for him at cost. It wasn't even a week yet, and he already pmed me. However, when it was over a week and I pmd him asking if he still wants it. He didn't respond for 2 days. "I was at my best friend's wedding all weekend and my daughter was in the hospital today" lol dude u were online in those 2 days. Discord doesn't lie lol. I asked for 500 + 50 PP(who knows how PayPal fee work lol). It's only a few dollars difference. He then asked me to do F&F to save money. It is understandable, but I don't even know who is this guy why would I do F&F. I even let him know beforehand that I only do G&S. After that, I tried to tell him to look for someone's else. He insisted on buying and said, "whatev just do that". Okay, so I spent my lunch break to sent him an invoice. Somehow, he changed his mind and told me "Sorry to bother but can you edit for $499.21 then select buyer pays fees? It should automatically add them to my total when I pay it". Like there is an option for that? At this point, he just gonna waste more of my time, and I told him to look for someone's else to buy.
"For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping." Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable. Not sure why there is such acting in a free market economy. This should only be happening in China and North Korea lol. Anyways, I don't care if you cancelled my order, however, there should be some compensation for holding my money for 2 months even the greedy bank give some back for their customers. I am not asking for one. But most keyboard designers have to go through gb and not have product available in-store is because lack of funds to support their projects. If this is how you treat the people who entrusted the money to you to do your project then it is quite disappointing.
Sorry you lost your spot bro, but this all sounds like a you problem
Can you explain why is it on my end? I am pretty sure Amazon or Bestbuy or any other online shops wouldn't have done the same thing.
I'm pretty sure if you cancel a pre-order on Amazon or Best Buy they just refund your money, not your money plus interest.
Post by: Chaselicious17 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:31:18
I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are.Yikes.
It seems like a common thing that people are flipping SPOTS in a GB for profit instead of the actual end-product, nowadays.
Post by: Clo_0lD on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:34:19
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:36:39
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are. There was another buyer who pm'ed before him so I told him if I cannot work out a plan with this buyer within a week then it will for him at cost. It wasn't even a week yet, and he already pmed me. However, when it was over a week and I pmd him asking if he still wants it. He didn't respond for 2 days. "I was at my best friend's wedding all weekend and my daughter was in the hospital today" lol dude u were online in those 2 days. Discord doesn't lie lol. I asked for 500 + 50 PP(who knows how PayPal fee work lol). It's only a few dollars difference. He then asked me to do F&F to save money. It is understandable, but I don't even know who is this guy why would I do F&F. I even let him know beforehand that I only do G&S. After that, I tried to tell him to look for someone's else. He insisted on buying and said, "whatev just do that". Okay, so I spent my lunch break to sent him an invoice. Somehow, he changed his mind and told me "Sorry to bother but can you edit for $499.21 then select buyer pays fees? It should automatically add them to my total when I pay it". Like there is an option for that? At this point, he just gonna waste more of my time, and I told him to look for someone's else to buy.
"For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping." Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable. Not sure why there is such acting in a free market economy. This should only be happening in China and North Korea lol. Anyways, I don't care if you cancelled my order, however, there should be some compensation for holding my money for 2 months even the greedy bank give some back for their customers. I am not asking for one. But most keyboard designers have to go through gb and not have product available in-store is because lack of funds to support their projects. If this is how you treat the people who entrusted the money to you to do your project then it is quite disappointing.
Sorry you lost your spot bro, but this all sounds like a you problem
Can you explain why is it on my end? I am pretty sure Amazon or Bestbuy or any other online shops wouldn't have done the same thing.
I don't understand why you aren't happy-- you got your money back in full, so now you can put it towards the No.2 as you originally intended. You were never entitled to an extra $300 at any point in the GB.
Post by: eyedrop on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:39:31
You are seriously comparing this transaction to something you buy at a B&M like BestBuy, or online retailer like Amazon?
In Amazon's condition of use, it has a clause that states "reserves the right to refuse service, terminate accounts, terminate your rights to use Amazon Services, remove or edit content, or cancel orders in its sole discretion."
I would argue in this case, upas has the right to refund your money and revoke your participation in the GB because you didn't abide to the rule.
Sure, the rule wasn't explicitly stated, but since this is a very close knit community, it has been frown upon to flip GB spot when the creator/designer set a price they think is reasonable.
That is why some like Keycult allocate a certain unit to do a vickrey auction.
Like upas said, things happen in life, keyboard is not the end of life. I think if you were to sell your GB spot at the price you paid, folks would be more understandable.
Post by: Capsy on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:40:58
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Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 09 July 2019, 11:53:32
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are. There was another buyer who pm'ed before him so I told him if I cannot work out a plan with this buyer within a week then it will for him at cost. It wasn't even a week yet, and he already pmed me. However, when it was over a week and I pmd him asking if he still wants it. He didn't respond for 2 days. "I was at my best friend's wedding all weekend and my daughter was in the hospital today" lol dude u were online in those 2 days. Discord doesn't lie lol. I asked for 500 + 50 PP(who knows how PayPal fee work lol). It's only a few dollars difference. He then asked me to do F&F to save money. It is understandable, but I don't even know who is this guy why would I do F&F. I even let him know beforehand that I only do G&S. After that, I tried to tell him to look for someone's else. He insisted on buying and said, "whatev just do that". Okay, so I spent my lunch break to sent him an invoice. Somehow, he changed his mind and told me "Sorry to bother but can you edit for $499.21 then select buyer pays fees? It should automatically add them to my total when I pay it". Like there is an option for that? At this point, he just gonna waste more of my time, and I told him to look for someone's else to buy.
"For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping." Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable. Not sure why there is such acting in a free market economy. This should only be happening in China and North Korea lol. Anyways, I don't care if you cancelled my order, however, there should be some compensation for holding my money for 2 months even the greedy bank give some back for their customers. I am not asking for one. But most keyboard designers have to go through gb and not have product available in-store is because lack of funds to support their projects. If this is how you treat the people who entrusted the money to you to do your project then it is quite disappointing.
Sorry you lost your spot bro, but this all sounds like a you problem
Can you explain why is it on my end? I am pretty sure Amazon or Bestbuy or any other online shops wouldn't have done the same thing.
I'm not aware of Amazon or Bestbuy letting you transfer pre-orders...
Also, I think it's pretty well known that if you are going to sell a GB spot and you need the GB runner's help, selling it for more than face value is going to get you a slap down.
Post by: vision-quest on Tue, 09 July 2019, 12:29:45
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could.
Get a job
What is your point?
His point was to get a job.
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Tue, 09 July 2019, 13:15:15
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are. There was another buyer who pm'ed before him so I told him if I cannot work out a plan with this buyer within a week then it will for him at cost. It wasn't even a week yet, and he already pmed me. However, when it was over a week and I pmd him asking if he still wants it. He didn't respond for 2 days. "I was at my best friend's wedding all weekend and my daughter was in the hospital today" lol dude u were online in those 2 days. Discord doesn't lie lol. I asked for 500 + 50 PP(who knows how PayPal fee work lol). It's only a few dollars difference. He then asked me to do F&F to save money. It is understandable, but I don't even know who is this guy why would I do F&F. I even let him know beforehand that I only do G&S. After that, I tried to tell him to look for someone's else. He insisted on buying and said, "whatev just do that". Okay, so I spent my lunch break to sent him an invoice. Somehow, he changed his mind and told me "Sorry to bother but can you edit for $499.21 then select buyer pays fees? It should automatically add them to my total when I pay it". Like there is an option for that? At this point, he just gonna waste more of my time, and I told him to look for someone's else to buy.
"For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping." Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable. Not sure why there is such acting in a free market economy. This should only be happening in China and North Korea lol. Anyways, I don't care if you cancelled my order, however, there should be some compensation for holding my money for 2 months even the greedy bank give some back for their customers. I am not asking for one. But most keyboard designers have to go through gb and not have product available in-store is because lack of funds to support their projects. If this is how you treat the people who entrusted the money to you to do your project then it is quite disappointing.
Sorry you lost your spot bro, but this all sounds like a you problem
Can you explain why is it on my end? I am pretty sure Amazon or Bestbuy or any other online shops wouldn't have done the same thing.
ITT: comparing a group buy to Amazon :rolleyes:
We're given the opportunity to own limited runs of cool products. Not only that, but you get to interact with the vendors, designers, manufactures etc.
Group Buys are a treat; don't muck it up for everyone else.
...and, as was previously stated, money was refunded, so win win. Right?
Post by: Visionaire on Tue, 09 July 2019, 13:16:26
Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for?
The point is simple. You don't actually have 'property' at this point. You have a spot in the group buy while that property is manufacturered. Until such time that you have that property in your hands, the GB runner has the right to refund your money for any reason they so choose. In this case, because they don't want the additional hassle of working out the transfer to another person and they don't like your desire to flip the SPOT for more money. If you wanted to make money on the board and sell it for profit after you own it, that's up to you. But at that point you owned nothing.
Also, nobody cares what you want the money for. Glad you want a No.2. Awesome. Go buy one. That has no impact on your right to sell the GB spot. Just because you were fast enough, lucky enough, whatever... to get a spot in the S75 GB does not mean you just won $300 in profit.
Post by: switchnollie on Tue, 09 July 2019, 15:58:50
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are. There was another buyer who pm'ed before him so I told him if I cannot work out a plan with this buyer within a week then it will for him at cost. It wasn't even a week yet, and he already pmed me. However, when it was over a week and I pmd him asking if he still wants it. He didn't respond for 2 days. "I was at my best friend's wedding all weekend and my daughter was in the hospital today" lol dude u were online in those 2 days. Discord doesn't lie lol. I asked for 500 + 50 PP(who knows how PayPal fee work lol). It's only a few dollars difference. He then asked me to do F&F to save money. It is understandable, but I don't even know who is this guy why would I do F&F. I even let him know beforehand that I only do G&S. After that, I tried to tell him to look for someone's else. He insisted on buying and said, "whatev just do that". Okay, so I spent my lunch break to sent him an invoice. Somehow, he changed his mind and told me "Sorry to bother but can you edit for $499.21 then select buyer pays fees? It should automatically add them to my total when I pay it". Like there is an option for that? At this point, he just gonna waste more of my time, and I told him to look for someone's else to buy.
"For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping." Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable. Not sure why there is such acting in a free market economy. This should only be happening in China and North Korea lol. Anyways, I don't care if you cancelled my order, however, there should be some compensation for holding my money for 2 months even the greedy bank give some back for their customers. I am not asking for one. But most keyboard designers have to go through gb and not have product available in-store is because lack of funds to support their projects. If this is how you treat the people who entrusted the money to you to do your project then it is quite disappointing.
Def the biggest L of 2019
On geekhack
He the new how many gmks guy
Post by: Chaselicious17 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 16:00:58
Def the biggest L of 2019Would love a link to that one :))
On geekhack
He the new how many gmks guy
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 09 July 2019, 17:14:07
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are. There was another buyer who pm'ed before him so I told him if I cannot work out a plan with this buyer within a week then it will for him at cost. It wasn't even a week yet, and he already pmed me. However, when it was over a week and I pmd him asking if he still wants it. He didn't respond for 2 days. "I was at my best friend's wedding all weekend and my daughter was in the hospital today" lol dude u were online in those 2 days. Discord doesn't lie lol. I asked for 500 + 50 PP(who knows how PayPal fee work lol). It's only a few dollars difference. He then asked me to do F&F to save money. It is understandable, but I don't even know who is this guy why would I do F&F. I even let him know beforehand that I only do G&S. After that, I tried to tell him to look for someone's else. He insisted on buying and said, "whatev just do that". Okay, so I spent my lunch break to sent him an invoice. Somehow, he changed his mind and told me "Sorry to bother but can you edit for $499.21 then select buyer pays fees? It should automatically add them to my total when I pay it". Like there is an option for that? At this point, he just gonna waste more of my time, and I told him to look for someone's else to buy.
"For what it's worth, I don't care if people flip for profit after they receive their boards. But given that Cloud White was a limited addon, and the GB has not shipped yet, I do not agree with this sort of flipping." Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable. Not sure why there is such acting in a free market economy. This should only be happening in China and North Korea lol. Anyways, I don't care if you cancelled my order, however, there should be some compensation for holding my money for 2 months even the greedy bank give some back for their customers. I am not asking for one. But most keyboard designers have to go through gb and not have product available in-store is because lack of funds to support their projects. If this is how you treat the people who entrusted the money to you to do your project then it is quite disappointing.
Def the biggest L of 2019
On geekhack
He the new how many gmks guy
The biggest L is the guy on /r/mm who was trying to corner the market on aftermarket GMK Serika. He was buying them up from everyone for $450+. People thought he was a scam artist but he paid for all of them.
And then the hype died.
Edit: Or maybe the two guys that were trying to sell their GB spots for SA Olivia and Novelkeys pulled their orders. That's got to hurt. SA Olivia is going to break the record for non-vintage keycaps.
Post by: walie on Tue, 09 July 2019, 18:11:36
Is it possible if I can get more than one? Absolutely love them and would love to have 2 different colors for 2 different gmk sets.
Well this aged well
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 09 July 2019, 18:26:29
Is it possible if I can get more than one? Absolutely love them and would love to have 2 different colors for 2 different gmk sets.
Well this aged well
Dude all of this guy's posts are buying and flipping GB spots.
Here's him trying to buy a GB spot in the E6.5 GB: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99655.msg2758433#msg2758433
Here's him flipping the GB spot a few weeks later: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99655.msg2769735#msg2769735
And the same day that he is trying to off-load his Satisfaction 75 (supposedly for a No. 2), he's trying to buy a JER Mini.
Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 09 July 2019, 20:28:05
Is it possible if I can get more than one? Absolutely love them and would love to have 2 different colors for 2 different gmk sets.
Well this aged well
LMAOIs it possible if I can get more than one? Absolutely love them and would love to have 2 different colors for 2 different gmk sets.
Well this aged well
Dude all of this guy's posts are buying and flipping GB spots.
Here's him trying to buy a GB spot in the E6.5 GB: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99655.msg2758433#msg2758433
Here's him flipping the GB spot a few weeks later: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99655.msg2769735#msg2769735
And the same day that he is trying to off-load his Satisfaction 75 (supposedly for a No. 2), he's trying to buy a JER Mini.
Post by: Kevadu on Tue, 09 July 2019, 20:30:27
Are u serious? I told the guy that 800$ because I need the money to buy a no2. Just trying to get as much help as I could. Anyone trying to buy a no2 knows how expensive they are.
"I only wanted the money to buy something expensive" has got to be the worst excuse ever...
Post by: Choobies on Wed, 10 July 2019, 00:09:58
Post by: kiwi99 on Wed, 10 July 2019, 01:13:22
...lol dude u were online in those 2 days. Discord doesn't lie lol. ...
This post has to be satire in its highest form, right?
Post by: steelpot on Wed, 10 July 2019, 16:36:19
Post by: Midori on Wed, 10 July 2019, 17:29:13
If we're saying down with flippers, does this mean mech market is going to shut down permanently and all resales are going to be banned going forward? Enforcement of that sure would be neat. I guess I should return all of the keycaps I've bought off people.
nice
Post by: mrpetrov on Wed, 10 July 2019, 17:34:23
If we're saying down with flippers, does this mean mech market is going to shut down permanently and all resales are going to be banned going forward? Enforcement of that sure would be neat. I guess I should return all of the keycaps I've bought off people.
Yes that's exactly what everyone is saying!
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 10 July 2019, 19:01:35
If we're saying down with flippers, does this mean mech market is going to shut down permanently and all resales are going to be banned going forward? Enforcement of that sure would be neat. I guess I should return all of the keycaps I've bought off people.
Yeah, you def understood the conversation.
10/10
Post by: Tekniqs on Wed, 10 July 2019, 19:11:06
Post by: dwarflemur on Wed, 10 July 2019, 19:50:44
it's probably sazuke's alt lolThat's what I was about to say haha it's his first post on the account
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 10 July 2019, 21:53:04
Post by: swangful on Thu, 11 July 2019, 00:29:23
Post by: Sazuke9 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 06:24:07
Go to the first page of this GB, and check where Upas(GB owner) say anything about the buyer can or cannot do with their order. Just outright remove order without a legitimate reason 10/10
Post by: rondg on Thu, 11 July 2019, 06:27:21
The truth is hated when they cannot face it.
Go to the first page of this GB, and check where Upas(GB owner) say anything about the buyer can or cannot do with their order. Just outright remove order without a legitimate reason 10/10
Well, he did not say what he can and cannot do, so...
Post by: Sazuke9 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 07:18:37
Post by: rondg on Thu, 11 July 2019, 08:31:25
And by your logic, if he steal someone stuff then it will be okay too? Since he can do whatever he want right? Free country btw.
No, it is not okay.
Post by: gt1989 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 09:14:35
And by your logic, if he steal someone stuff then it will be okay too? Since he can do whatever he want right? Free country btw.
except he didn't steal anything from you since he refunded you your money.
Post by: Sazuke9 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 09:43:48
Post by: Kawamashi on Thu, 11 July 2019, 09:49:26
Post by: Chaselicious17 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:00:52
I am not saying he steal from me. But hey I will wait for him to refund my time.You must think you're so important. What about upas's time? Shouldn't you refund them their time?
Post by: Sazuke9 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:10:16
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:12:04
Stop getting into GBs if you want people to not call you out when you try to rip people off for a product that's not even released yet.
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Post by: bthezebra on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:12:19
Did I force it on him? Nope.Out of curiosity, what are you expecting to accomplish in this thread by posting more?
Post by: Sazuke9 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:15:06
More doesn't always mean right.
Edit: My bad, not meant to be rude.
Post by: Sazuke9 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:19:11
Imagine being unethical and then complaining about being reprimanded.
Stop getting into GBs if you want people to not call you out when you try to rip people off for a product that's not even released yet.
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I don't care... To me, it is not "rip off" someone as long as I don't force. What I did might not be right ethically, but legally... I am not convinced that I am wrong.
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:26:48
Who said anything about being wrong legally? Upas is not wrong legally either. So pipe down.Imagine being unethical and then complaining about being reprimanded.
Stop getting into GBs if you want people to not call you out when you try to rip people off for a product that's not even released yet.
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
I don't care... To me, it is not "rip off" someone as long as I don't force. What I did might not be right ethically, but legally... I am not convinced that I am wrong.
Post by: Sazuke9 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:32:55
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:37:43
Post by: thecyangiant on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:46:58
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 11 July 2019, 12:26:48
Well in this world it's not about good or bad/right or wrong but legal or not legal. Upas did not make any rules in this gb thread on what buyer can or cannot do with their order. Then later without a legitimate reason, he canceled order based on nothing. If he did not like what I did then maybe he should have set out a rule during the gb stating xyz...Hmm, to quote you from your own perspective:
"What UPAS did may not be ethical for you but I'm not convinced that it's illegal".
So very sorry.
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 11 July 2019, 12:35:54
Well in this world it's not about good or bad/right or wrong but legal or not legal. Upas did not make any rules in this gb thread on what buyer can or cannot do with their order. Then later without a legitimate reason, he canceled order based on nothing. If he did not like what I did then maybe he should have set out a rule during the gb stating xyz...
From the Cannonkeys site:
Quote
Can I get a refund for my Group Buy purchase? I changed my mind.
The nature of the GB process means that funds for refunds are not available after submission of the group payment to the manufacturer. Refunds may not be available after submission of your Group Buy order. Refunds will not be available after bulk order submission to the vendor. Refunds may be made available on a case-by-case basis at my discretion.
From the FAQs (https://cannonkeys.com/pages/frequently-asked-questions)
Quote
SECTION 2 - GENERAL CONDITIONS
We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason at any time.
You understand that your content (not including credit card information), may be transferred unencrypted and involve (a) transmissions over various networks; and (b) changes to conform and adapt to technical requirements of connecting networks or devices. Credit card information is always encrypted during transfer over networks.
You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, resell or exploit any portion of the Service, use of the Service, or access to the Service or any contact on the website through which the service is provided, without express written permission by us.
The headings used in this agreement are included for convenience only and will not limit or otherwise affect these Terms.
Quote
SECTION 6 - ACCURACY OF BILLING AND ACCOUNT INFORMATION
We reserve the right to refuse any order you place with us. We may, in our sole discretion, limit or cancel quantities purchased per person, per household or per order. These restrictions may include orders placed by or under the same customer account, the same credit card, and/or orders that use the same billing and/or shipping address. In the event that we make a change to or cancel an order, we may attempt to notify you by contacting the e‑mail and/or billing address/phone number provided at the time the order was made. We reserve the right to limit or prohibit orders that, in our sole judgment, appear to be placed by dealers, resellers or distributors.
From the Terms of Service (https://cannonkeys.com/policies/terms-of-service)
Post by: vision-quest on Thu, 11 July 2019, 12:56:16
I am not saying he steal from me. But hey I will wait for him to refund my time.
Your time? Hahaha he doesn't owe you ****. **** off already.
Post by: farmisen on Thu, 11 July 2019, 14:30:04
Quote
Okay, but I don't get your logic. It is my board/property why I cannot sell it at whatever I feel like it is worth for? 550$ wasn't reasonable? It is a few dollars difference than at cost but considering the time, inflation, etc. In my opinion, it was very reasonable.[/quote]
Inflation? Do you live in Venezuela? I think you mean interest rate instead.
Post by: Tekniqs on Thu, 11 July 2019, 15:54:36
Post by: NAV on Thu, 11 July 2019, 17:54:17
Well in this world it's not about good or bad/right or wrong but legal or not legal. Upas did not make any rules in this gb thread on what buyer can or cannot do with their order. Then later without a legitimate reason, he canceled order based on nothing. If he did not like what I did then maybe he should have set out a rule during the gb stating xyz...
WELL THIS AGED WELL LMAO HAHAHAHAHA
Well in this world it's not about good or bad/right or wrong but legal or not legal. Upas did not make any rules in this gb thread on what buyer can or cannot do with their order. Then later without a legitimate reason, he canceled order based on nothing. If he did not like what I did then maybe he should have set out a rule during the gb stating xyz...
From the Cannonkeys site:QuoteCan I get a refund for my Group Buy purchase? I changed my mind.
The nature of the GB process means that funds for refunds are not available after submission of the group payment to the manufacturer. Refunds may not be available after submission of your Group Buy order. Refunds will not be available after bulk order submission to the vendor. Refunds may be made available on a case-by-case basis at my discretion.
From the FAQs (https://cannonkeys.com/pages/frequently-asked-questions)QuoteSECTION 2 - GENERAL CONDITIONS
We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason at any time.
You understand that your content (not including credit card information), may be transferred unencrypted and involve (a) transmissions over various networks; and (b) changes to conform and adapt to technical requirements of connecting networks or devices. Credit card information is always encrypted during transfer over networks.
You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, resell or exploit any portion of the Service, use of the Service, or access to the Service or any contact on the website through which the service is provided, without express written permission by us.
The headings used in this agreement are included for convenience only and will not limit or otherwise affect these Terms.QuoteSECTION 6 - ACCURACY OF BILLING AND ACCOUNT INFORMATION
We reserve the right to refuse any order you place with us. We may, in our sole discretion, limit or cancel quantities purchased per person, per household or per order. These restrictions may include orders placed by or under the same customer account, the same credit card, and/or orders that use the same billing and/or shipping address. In the event that we make a change to or cancel an order, we may attempt to notify you by contacting the e‑mail and/or billing address/phone number provided at the time the order was made. We reserve the right to limit or prohibit orders that, in our sole judgment, appear to be placed by dealers, resellers or distributors.
From the Terms of Service (https://cannonkeys.com/policies/terms-of-service)
On the real, why do you think this is your property? You have paid money to *order* something, you have not received the product.
You wanna talk real world?
Ferrari cancels orders of flippers, and also forbids limited car resale. And they won in court. Porsche also punished 911 R flippers.
Stores can fully reserve the rights to cancel your _order_, because in the end, you have not taken delivery of the product.
Post by: Kev on Thu, 11 July 2019, 18:22:57
Stop wasting time in this thread and move on to your next scam if your time is so precious.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 11 July 2019, 18:32:22
Truly, these are the threads gh is made from.
Post by: goddream on Thu, 11 July 2019, 18:54:40
The truth is hated when they cannot face it.
Take a look at what you wrote yourself, and then a good look at yourself. Can you face the truth?
Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 12 July 2019, 02:48:59
Upas did not make any rules in this gb thread on what buyer can or cannot do with their order.You actually signed off these rules when paying for your order. I know that most people would not read them, but then they arent going to claim imaginary legalities when they get caught breaking these very rules.
Post by: switchnollie on Fri, 12 July 2019, 12:46:51
Sazuke9 the type of guy to say Wingardium Levio-sar and get mad at everyone cuz he ain't makin em float.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/382/159/89e.jpg)
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/382/159/89e.jpg)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 12 July 2019, 12:51:45
Sazuke9 the type of guy to say Wingardium Levio-sar and get mad at everyone cuz he ain't makin em float.Show Image(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/382/159/89e.jpg)
People think s/he's just burying himself deeper with every post s/he makes, but really s/he's just making Horcruxes.
Post by: sleepy on Fri, 12 July 2019, 12:59:46
Sazuke9 the type of guy to say Wingardium Levio-sar and get mad at everyone cuz he ain't makin em float.Show Image(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/382/159/89e.jpg)
classy L delivery with the centered text
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 12 July 2019, 13:00:42
Well in this world it's not about good or bad/right or wrong but legal or not legal.
Ignoring the obvious concerns here (morality trumps legality every day, and frankly your statement makes you seem a bit psychopathic), you have not only broken the ToS that upas outlined in their GB description and website (detailed by other users above), but you have also broken the GH ToS by creating multiple accounts to run this GB flipping scheme you've developed.
Someone with a shred of morality would have been met with a heavy dose of mercy. Not so much the case here...
Thank you for creating such a spectacle and helping bring awareness to this.
Post by: Visionaire on Fri, 12 July 2019, 14:20:04
Well in this world it's not about good or bad/right or wrong but legal or not legal.
Ignoring the obvious concerns here (morality trumps legality every day, and frankly your statement makes you seem a bit psychopathic), you have not only broken the ToS that upas outlined in their GB description and website (detailed by other users above), but you have also broken the GH ToS by creating multiple accounts to run this GB flipping scheme you've developed.
Someone with a shred of morality would have been met with a heavy dose of mercy. Not so much the case here...
Thank you for creating such a spectacle and helping bring awareness to this.
Fatality.
Post by: Taeha Types on Fri, 12 July 2019, 15:57:49
"Thanks for playing"Well in this world it's not about good or bad/right or wrong but legal or not legal.
Ignoring the obvious concerns here (morality trumps legality every day, and frankly your statement makes you seem a bit psychopathic), you have not only broken the ToS that upas outlined in their GB description and website (detailed by other users above), but you have also broken the GH ToS by creating multiple accounts to run this GB flipping scheme you've developed.
Someone with a shred of morality would have been met with a heavy dose of mercy. Not so much the case here...
Thank you for creating such a spectacle and helping bring awareness to this.
Post by: cfiggis on Fri, 12 July 2019, 16:27:22
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 12 July 2019, 17:14:31
Fatality.
teehee
Post by: romevi on Fri, 12 July 2019, 17:42:37
Hi guys, any GB updat...oh, I see.
(https://i.imgur.com/iqwz4NK.gif)
Post by: nicx on Fri, 12 July 2019, 23:28:59
Post by: dallman5 on Sat, 13 July 2019, 12:22:37
That extra cloud white board should come with a special edition engraving.
I think you mean salt white.
Post by: Bleddyn on Sat, 13 July 2019, 18:38:52
That extra cloud white board should come with a special edition engraving.
That extra cloud white board should come with a special edition engraving.
I think you mean salt white.
Should come with NaCl engraved on the inside bottom case.
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sat, 13 July 2019, 19:09:17
Post by: break on Sun, 14 July 2019, 22:26:28
catches up
(https://media.giphy.com/media/YnmEsq9ICSYQ8/giphy.gif)
Post by: silas on Wed, 17 July 2019, 15:04:56
Hey everyone! Curious about extras. When will they-
catches upShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/YnmEsq9ICSYQ8/giphy.gif)
lol x2 and I actually was wondering... :(
Post by: Choobies on Wed, 17 July 2019, 15:56:35
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 18 July 2019, 10:47:56
He created multiple accounts?
Correct. Multiple accounts to buy/sell group buy spots as he discussed doing earlier in this thread.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 18 July 2019, 13:17:58
Out of fund for an upcoming board. Looking to sell my Cloud White spot. If anyone interested then please contact me via Discord: Amino
#5893 :)
Retail?
Post by: Tekniqs on Thu, 18 July 2019, 17:27:55
Post by: upas on Wed, 21 August 2019, 07:27:37
We are on track to ship by the estimated October timeframe.
You might have seen RAMA knobs teased by RAMA - they are in the process of packing and shipping them to me now. After those arrive, all we are waiting on are the cases.
I also have news about two things.
1. CYO Keycaps SatisKlacken Artisan knob raffle
2. New artisan knobs
For #1 there are a handful of SatisKlacken knobs available that TTyler Durden of CYO Keycaps. They are available in a number of different colors as shown here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByBvRfOHmPR/?igshid=1gds1zd8gupjb
https://www.instagram.com/p/BypfToGnSqL/?igshid=1qjlce4ust0fg
Each color is unique, only one has been made. I will be opening a raffle on SATURDAY AUGUST 24th at a random time in the morning, EDT. The form will be open for 12 hours. The artisan knobs are $40 each plus shipping, and if you win, you will receive a random color. I want to encourage trading for the colors you want, etc. invoices will go out shortly after the raffle closes. The raffle is also limited to those who purchased S75 keyboards. Unpaid invoiced will be re-raffled.
I will follow up shortly with another post about yet another type of artisan knob :)
Post by: toejelly on Fri, 23 August 2019, 01:04:42
Post by: jwilthethrill on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:37:16
Whats is going on with this gb, can someone break it down in 3 words or less on whats happening.
TY!
Post by: eyedrop on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:38:51
TLDR
Whats is going on with this gb, can someone break it down in 3 words or less on whats happening.
TY!
Wait for fulfillment :cool:
Post by: eskimojo on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:47:49
TLDR
Whats is going on with this gb, can someone break it down in 3 words or less on whats happening.
TY!
Now we wait.
Post by: upas on Sat, 24 August 2019, 13:45:21
If you're interested in the SatisKlacken Artisan knob, please enter here: https://forms.gle/SBHsmdbCv5e3D3jo6
It will be open until 10 AM EDT tomorrow!
Post by: KeyCap75 on Sat, 24 August 2019, 14:02:50
Post by: supersahib on Sat, 24 August 2019, 14:04:43
Post by: upas on Sat, 24 August 2019, 14:56:07
(https://i.imgur.com/0lUCbYi.jpg)
If you win the raffle, you will receive one of these.
Post by: mrpetrov on Sat, 24 August 2019, 19:24:31
Here's a photo of all the artisan SatisKlackens all together:
If you win the raffle, you will receive one of these.
I propose that the collective noun for a group of klackens is a satisfaction. So, here is a satisfaction of klackens.
Post by: VelourFog on Sat, 24 August 2019, 20:22:19
Post by: upas on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:48:44
All SatisKlacken knobs have gone out. RAMA Knobs have arrived. For those of you who just bought knobs, and not S75 keyboards, those orders should be going out over the next week or so.
The last outstanding part of the keyboard is the cases. Everything else has arrived.
-Upas
Post by: Tekniqs on Fri, 13 September 2019, 21:56:00
Post by: upas on Sat, 14 September 2019, 00:17:38
any news on the other knob artisans? :D
VictorStagnetty is making these knobs. If there is enough interest, he will do a run of them.
Teaser:
(https://i.imgur.com/SLC7tQ4.jpg)
This one is my personal favorite:
(https://i.imgur.com/MK1pqMf.jpg?1)
And here are a bunch of other ones he's made, including a knob out of a D20, and a bunch of different colorways:
More
(https://i.imgur.com/Y9rz5t1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IPqfRwN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zwmGHUL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CIK6x6u.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/94efyFu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/n4pTs2r.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/v9uHg32.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SQLZojL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ot5oq7e.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eOgZere.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZYuJTdy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eQJWsSi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dAzNZdY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IPqfRwN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zwmGHUL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CIK6x6u.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/94efyFu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/n4pTs2r.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/v9uHg32.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SQLZojL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ot5oq7e.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eOgZere.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZYuJTdy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eQJWsSi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dAzNZdY.jpg)
Post by: ppnp253 on Sat, 14 September 2019, 01:14:03
Do you have pics of the Rama knobs? Would love to see how they turned out.
Post by: DMC86 on Sat, 14 September 2019, 04:58:03
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/563c788ae4b099120ae219e2/1566215280687-5L0HJJIO0LL1L4FJU69Z/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kBT2rXoy5gSgszpAGgjfx-gUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8N_N4V1vUb5AoIIIbLZhVYy7Mythp_T-mtop-vrsUOmeInPi9iDjx9w8K4ZfjXt2dpYm70YFrWWe-mgMDiSKjKkIKZvE2I8sh7HAMfHA-3LZm7cT0R_dexc_UL_zbpz6JQ/L1030524.JPG?format=1500w)
Would definitely be interested in a VictorStagnetty knob!
Post by: sadmachine on Sat, 14 September 2019, 11:59:04
any news on the other knob artisans? :D
VictorStagnetty is making these knobs. If there is enough interest, he will do a run of them.
Interested. They look a bit shorter, which I like. Which colorway would look good on stormy grey, hm...
Post by: Stan137 on Mon, 16 September 2019, 12:19:14
Post by: DukeEsquire on Mon, 16 September 2019, 12:21:05
Hey, I'm very new to this hobby (actual first post here) but I fell in love with this board and pretty upset that I missed it. What's the possibility of a rerun of this GB? alternatively, How would I find someone to sell me theirs at one point? r/Mechmarket?
Word to the wise, especially for someone new to the hobby, don't get too caught up on any single board until you know what you really like.
You're going to go broke really quickly if you buy too many boards from the secondary market.
Post by: Stan137 on Mon, 16 September 2019, 13:19:39
Hey, I'm very new to this hobby (actual first post here) but I fell in love with this board and pretty upset that I missed it. What's the possibility of a rerun of this GB? alternatively, How would I find someone to sell me theirs at one point? r/Mechmarket?
Word to the wise, especially for someone new to the hobby, don't get too caught up on any single board until you know what you really like.
You're going to go broke really quickly if you buy too many boards from the secondary market.
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW RICH I AM! :)
Jokes aside, thanks for the advice. I got a WASD V2, CTRL, GMMK and a couple Realforce to see what I like. I have MX Greens, MX Blues(don't hurt me), Zealious 78s, Halo Trues, Hako Trues, Royal Hako Trues and topre's obviously. All my boards are TKL and I want brass or aluminum %75 but want the directionals to be separated. This board has all that + that amazing dial... it's just looks so beautiful and unique and afaict there's nothing like it anywhere.
Post by: vision-quest on Mon, 16 September 2019, 15:09:51
Post by: Stan137 on Mon, 16 September 2019, 15:21:33
Possible to cancel order and get refund if we changed our mind?
What are the colors you picked? I might buy it for whatever you paid.
Post by: VelourFog on Mon, 16 September 2019, 17:12:12
Possible to cancel order and get refund if we changed our mind?
Haha this is one way to start a feud here.
Post by: vision-quest on Tue, 17 September 2019, 02:56:45
It痴 a legitimate question?Possible to cancel order and get refund if we changed our mind?
Haha this is one way to start a feud here.
Post by: Choobies on Tue, 17 September 2019, 12:05:18
Post by: Stan137 on Tue, 17 September 2019, 13:20:39
I think asking for refunds during GB stage is okay, but I think whether refunds are allowed depends on the GB runner. I would suggest rather than (or in addition to) asking for a refund, find someone who wants to buy your spot, and ask the GB runner if you can transfer your spot over to that buyer. :)
Yes, I offered to take your spot/board. Let me know if that's what you want IF the GB runner allows it.
Post by: Choobies on Tue, 17 September 2019, 13:22:42
I think asking for refunds during GB stage is okay, but I think whether refunds are allowed depends on the GB runner. I would suggest rather than (or in addition to) asking for a refund, find someone who wants to buy your spot, and ask the GB runner if you can transfer your spot over to that buyer. :)
Yes, I offered to take your spot/board. Let me know if that's what you want IF the GB runner allows it.
Wrong person!
Post by: Tekniqs on Tue, 17 September 2019, 19:43:57
Post by: neutralstate on Thu, 19 September 2019, 09:42:53
noob question - how do i know if i should get screw in or pcb mounted stabilizers for this keyboard (and keyboards in general)?
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 19 September 2019, 09:53:51
looking forward to october for this!There is no noob question :)
noob question - how do i know if i should get screw in or pcb mounted stabilizers for this keyboard (and keyboards in general)?
First, screw ins are also PCB mounted. There are two kinds of stabilisers, PCB mounted and plate mounted. Get PCB mounted for the satisfaction. Now, in PCB mounted, there's again 2 kinds - Clip ins and screw ins. Clip ins have a clip that goes into the PCB and holds the stabiliser in place. Screw ins have screws in place of clips to hold the stabiliser in place. I personally prefer screw ins as they're more stable and less prone to popping out. Again IMO. There are people who like clip ins as well. Buy either of them but make sure you get cherry/GMK authentic ones. I'll suggest you get them from novelkeys.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 19 September 2019, 10:20:42
First, screw ins are also PCB mounted. There are two kinds of stabilisers, PCB mounted and plate mounted. Get PCB mounted for the satisfaction. Now, in PCB mounted, there's again 2 kinds - Clip ins and screw ins. Clip ins have a clip that goes into the PCB and holds the stabiliser in place. Screw ins have screws in place of clips to hold the stabiliser in place. I personally prefer screw ins as they're more stable and less prone to popping out. Again IMO. There are people who like clip ins as well. Buy either of them but make sure you get cherry/GMK authentic ones. I'll suggest you get them from novelkeys.
Screw ins are definitely my preference as well. Always great to eliminate the annoyance of stabs popping out when you remove caps. :thumb:
One thing I rarely see mentioned regarding them (probably a sign that this has been remedied / doesn't happen anymore). When they first started to become popular, I built a board with them and the screw caused one of the rows/columns to short out from the screw, either because of tight placement or the use of multiple layers that were now making contact. Just something to keep in mind, in case anyone does experience weird behavior - it might be the screw in stabs.
Post by: neutralstate on Thu, 19 September 2019, 10:27:37
There is no noob question :)
First, screw ins are also PCB mounted. There are two kinds of stabilisers, PCB mounted and plate mounted. Get PCB mounted for the satisfaction. Now, in PCB mounted, there's again 2 kinds - Clip ins and screw ins. Clip ins have a clip that goes into the PCB and holds the stabiliser in place. Screw ins have screws in place of clips to hold the stabiliser in place. I personally prefer screw ins as they're more stable and less prone to popping out. Again IMO. There are people who like clip ins as well. Buy either of them but make sure you get cherry/GMK authentic ones. I'll suggest you get them from novelkeys.
Screw ins are definitely my preference as well. Always great to eliminate the annoyance of stabs popping out when you remove caps. :thumb:
One thing I rarely see mentioned regarding them (probably a sign that this has been remedied / doesn't happen anymore). When they first started to become popular, I built a board with them and the screw caused one of the rows/columns to short out from the screw, either because of tight placement or the use of multiple layers that were now making contact. Just something to keep in mind, in case anyone does experience weird behavior - it might be the screw in stabs.
wow thanks for the fast response, you guys rock!
just one more quick question - how does one tell if a board should use pcb or plated mounted stabs?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 19 September 2019, 10:30:56
just one more quick question - how does one tell if a board should use pcb or plated mounted stabs?
A combination of the PCB and plate design. In order for either type to be used, the PCB needs to have stab holes (for PCB mount) or the plate needs the appropriate notches (for plate mount). I haven't followed the custom scene quite as close lately as I used to, so I might not be the best resource there, but I would think it'd be specified (has been the case in the past).
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 19 September 2019, 10:33:21
There are holes on the PCB for stabs. If they're missing, then that keyboard uses plate mounted stabs.There is no noob question :)
First, screw ins are also PCB mounted. There are two kinds of stabilisers, PCB mounted and plate mounted. Get PCB mounted for the satisfaction. Now, in PCB mounted, there's again 2 kinds - Clip ins and screw ins. Clip ins have a clip that goes into the PCB and holds the stabiliser in place. Screw ins have screws in place of clips to hold the stabiliser in place. I personally prefer screw ins as they're more stable and less prone to popping out. Again IMO. There are people who like clip ins as well. Buy either of them but make sure you get cherry/GMK authentic ones. I'll suggest you get them from novelkeys.
Screw ins are definitely my preference as well. Always great to eliminate the annoyance of stabs popping out when you remove caps. :thumb:
One thing I rarely see mentioned regarding them (probably a sign that this has been remedied / doesn't happen anymore). When they first started to become popular, I built a board with them and the screw caused one of the rows/columns to short out from the screw, either because of tight placement or the use of multiple layers that were now making contact. Just something to keep in mind, in case anyone does experience weird behavior - it might be the screw in stabs.
wow thanks for the fast response, you guys rock!
just one more quick question - how does one tell if a board should use pcb or plated mounted stabs?
Like in this image, the two holes on the right of zeal65 text are stabiliser holes.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190919/9056982f8afef25a207cccaeb12ee569.jpg)
Mod Edit: Resized image :eek:
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 19 September 2019, 10:36:23
wow thanks for the fast response, you guys rock!
just one more quick question - how does one tell if a board should use pcb or plated mounted stabs?
Also, most of the custom keyboards nowadays use PCB mounted stabs. So don't worry. If they use plate mounted stabs, the runner will explicitly mention it as that is rare.
Post by: neutralstate on Thu, 19 September 2019, 10:51:39
wow thanks for the fast response, you guys rock!
just one more quick question - how does one tell if a board should use pcb or plated mounted stabs?
Also, most of the custom keyboards nowadays use PCB mounted stabs. So don't worry. If they use plate mounted stabs, the runner will explicitly mention it as that is rare.
thank you so much, appreciate this alot!
Post by: upas on Tue, 24 September 2019, 23:12:28
After the snafu with my Brutal60 round 3 plates, I double checked the FR4 plates. The first few plates met tolerances, but they quickly deteriorated after that, and the stab cutouts are too small.
This means they'll have to be remade. It shouldn't delay the expected late October ship date, though.
The carbon fiber plates are great, I double checked those as well.
In other news, some production color full boards came in for final signoff. The rest of the boards will be ready imminently. I'll try to get some nice pictures that capture the real production colors this weekend!
Note - I didn't get a production sample of black because black is black and there's not much question about what it'll look like. But for deep ocean blue, cloudy white, and stormy grey, those pictures will go up this weekend.
Post by: Tekniqs on Wed, 25 September 2019, 03:10:37
Post by: upas on Sun, 29 September 2019, 11:58:15
will extra plates be available? i only ordered a brass plate one. Kinda want to check out something but a little more give. PC plate would be nice but I don't think these were offered in the gb. How does the fr4 compare to it in terms of flex and give?
Maybe, it'll depend on how shipping goes. FR4 is stiffer than PC but flexes more than Alu.
In other news, as promised, here are photos of the production color samples. I've approved all of them and the keyboards will start shipping by late October.
Also you might notice the sabre is still in the middle of the weight - after trying it the other way, this looks better so we went with it.
Deep Ocean Blue:
(https://i.imgur.com/zWn5ijG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HsfK29I.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6HVfTfq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1ADydPh.jpg)
Stormy Grey:
(https://i.imgur.com/DJ3G46N.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M2d4VKe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/010eXBx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Y3qfgUj.jpg)
Cloud White:
(https://i.imgur.com/QKxwYFX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ccnjObp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lI6Vo03.jpg)
The finish quality is impeccable. If all the production units are like these samples, I'll be extremely happy.
Post by: mrpetrov on Sun, 29 September 2019, 12:19:52
Post by: hammerbrotha on Sun, 29 September 2019, 23:38:09
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Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Mon, 30 September 2019, 09:14:11
Post by: VictorStagnetty on Tue, 01 October 2019, 17:02:06
Better question is what colorway(s) goes with your cap(s)?any news on the other knob artisans? :D
VictorStagnetty is making these knobs. If there is enough interest, he will do a run of them.
Interested. They look a bit shorter, which I like. Which colorway would look good on stormy grey, hm...
Post by: Re9456 on Wed, 09 October 2019, 15:47:57
Post by: upas on Sun, 13 October 2019, 21:30:26
Quick update - there was a slight PCB issue, so those need to get remanufactured. Given the issue, the new shipping estimate is early-mid November.
The cases have finished production and are on their way to me.
Post by: ZoomBoy on Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:13:41
Post by: toejelly on Thu, 14 November 2019, 22:50:15
Hey guys,
Quick update - there was a slight PCB issue, so those need to get remanufactured. Given the issue, the new shipping estimate is early-mid November.
The cases have finished production and are on their way to me.
Hey, what's the latest?
Post by: thecyangiant on Fri, 15 November 2019, 07:44:40
From the discord server yesterday (11/14)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191115/96de20b0138b975e175bff20b54c389d.jpg)Hey guys,
Quick update - there was a slight PCB issue, so those need to get remanufactured. Given the issue, the new shipping estimate is early-mid November.
The cases have finished production and are on their way to me.
Hey, what's the latest?
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Post by: upas on Mon, 25 November 2019, 12:33:05
Post pics if you got them!
Post by: hiddensong on Tue, 26 November 2019, 01:44:27
Post by: Kevadu on Sat, 30 November 2019, 23:05:44
Post by: stillzman on Sun, 01 December 2019, 09:10:00
Post by: hammerbrotha on Sun, 01 December 2019, 16:06:52
Post by: ian13 on Sun, 01 December 2019, 19:25:07
Post by: Kevadu on Mon, 02 December 2019, 23:32:00
Post by: Capsy on Mon, 02 December 2019, 23:36:24
Post by: kujibiki on Wed, 04 December 2019, 01:15:36
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 04 December 2019, 08:04:32
I haven't seen it mentioned here yet (maybe I just missed it) but thanks so much for doing the build guide (https://docs.cannonkeys.com/satisfaction75/build_guide/). It was quite helpful, particularly since this board is a bit more complex than your standard build.+1
Post by: Create_alt_delete on Thu, 05 December 2019, 13:38:46
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Post by: goddream on Thu, 05 December 2019, 16:11:36
Anyone else unable to flash their board? QMK just crashes everytime for me. I've never had issues with it before
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have you followed the build guide https://docs.cannonkeys.com/satisfaction75/
Post by: Create_alt_delete on Thu, 05 December 2019, 22:11:27
I figured it out. It seems something went wrong with my driver install the first time around. I tried to reinstall with zadig and that would just hang and crash too. So, I uninstalled the driver via device manager, then installed with zadig again. After all that, QMK worked just fine.Anyone else unable to flash their board? QMK just crashes everytime for me. I've never had issues with it before
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have you followed the build guide https://docs.cannonkeys.com/satisfaction75/
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Post by: Kevadu on Thu, 12 December 2019, 20:48:10
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 12 December 2019, 21:07:15
Hey, I ordered a second plate, PCB, OLED, and encoder hoping to basically do two builds and be able to swap between them relatively easily. And I got all of that...but I only got one set of the little nylon spacers that keep the OLED in place. It's a tiny thing but still enough to keep me from being able to do a second build. Where can I even get something like that?
I didn't even think of this, but I have the same problem.
Usually you can buy parts like this from electronics suppliers like Digikey, Mouser, etc. or a parts supplier like McMaster-Carr. But getting a part number from Upas would be helpful.
Post by: Kevadu on Fri, 13 December 2019, 14:18:58
Post by: Capsy on Fri, 13 December 2019, 14:31:00
Also any suggestions for debugging issues with the OLED? I finished my first build and everything seems fine except the OLED isn't displaying anything. All the keys plus the encoder work though. I double checked the solder joints to the OLED and they look really good...I could try swapping it with the spare I got I guess but that doesn't tell me why this one isn't working.Did you follow the build guide? The stock firmware on the PCB does not support OLED.
Post by: Kevadu on Fri, 13 December 2019, 15:01:52
Also any suggestions for debugging issues with the OLED? I finished my first build and everything seems fine except the OLED isn't displaying anything. All the keys plus the encoder work though. I double checked the solder joints to the OLED and they look really good...I could try swapping it with the spare I got I guess but that doesn't tell me why this one isn't working.Did you follow the build guide? The stock firmware on the PCB does not support OLED.
I feel dumb. I did read the guide but somehow missed that note...
But speaking of flashing is there a way to do it in just plain QMK? I run Linux and the tools the guide recommends don't work for me.
Post by: upas on Mon, 27 January 2020, 20:31:26
Extra sales ran, they'll be shipped out over the course of this week.
Some people missed out on extra PCBs, so I'm starting an IC for a potential extra PCB group buy.
Please only fill it in if you're interested.
Thanks!
https://forms.gle/Tu3j87aDswjcpfui8
Post by: dANii2k on Sun, 02 February 2020, 09:22:15
Post by: Wadz1lla on Tue, 24 March 2020, 10:43:53
Post by: Evo_Spec on Tue, 24 March 2020, 13:03:31
Is another run of these planned?
There is an R2 planned some time this year. Keep an eye out on CannonKeys website or Discord.
Post by: DoCallMeKing on Sun, 19 April 2020, 19:41:11
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sun, 19 April 2020, 23:35:04
I知 looking for a pcb/plate/encoder/oled
It doesn't entirely help during this time because of crazy shipping but you can find the encoder and OLED easily on Aliexpress for pretty cheap.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Mon, 20 April 2020, 10:38:43
Absolutely loving it, I think it'll be a daily driver at home for quite some time.
Post by: bryanwafu on Tue, 21 April 2020, 05:25:04
Post by: Evo_Spec on Tue, 21 April 2020, 09:53:24
does anyone know where to purchase the plastic spacer part between the OLED and the pcb? and also, what size of O-ring do we need for the mounting part? Thanks in advance.
It's called a pin header. Specifically a straight 2mm pin header.
Your location shows Philippines and a quick google game me this site.
https://www.e-gizmo.net/oc/index.php?route=product/product&path=228&product_id=1046
You can also get them from Aliexpress, or even the whole OLED unit for like 2 bucks.
Post by: abrokencondom on Mon, 04 May 2020, 04:51:37
Is another run of these planned?
There is an R2 planned some time this year. Keep an eye out on CannonKeys website or Discord.
Any idea if they'll still do a burger o-ring top mount plate or change it up?
Post by: oalmali on Thu, 07 May 2020, 05:47:59
Post by: Evo_Spec on Fri, 08 May 2020, 06:54:27
Is another run of these planned?
There is an R2 planned some time this year. Keep an eye out on CannonKeys website or Discord.
Any idea if they'll still do a burger o-ring top mount plate or change it up?
No idea but I imagine it'd stay the same.
Post by: Crappytree on Sun, 24 May 2020, 21:35:11
Post by: chowbabyloving on Mon, 25 May 2020, 00:03:43
Please have a R2, I'm new to this hobby and am already in love with this keyboard.
What makes you love this keyboard?
Post by: PureLuck on Mon, 25 May 2020, 00:18:59
Please have a R2, I'm new to this hobby and am already in love with this keyboard.
What makes you love this keyboard?
What's there not to love?
Post by: Crappytree on Wed, 27 May 2020, 08:29:43
Please have a R2, I'm new to this hobby and am already in love with this keyboard.
What makes you love this keyboard?
I need Fn & arrow keys, this keyboard has them, and I really like the case design.
Post by: jamster on Sat, 30 May 2020, 07:57:27
Post by: neutralstate on Sat, 30 May 2020, 08:00:14
I've done a word search through this thread but still haven't been able to figure it out- what does the rotary encoder / knob actually do?
by default the volume. pressing it down mutes.
Post by: jamster on Sat, 30 May 2020, 08:11:53
I've done a word search through this thread but still haven't been able to figure it out- what does the rotary encoder / knob actually do?
by default the volume. pressing it down mutes.
Ah, thanks. I was guessing volume, just couldn't find mention of it :)
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Sat, 30 May 2020, 09:29:07
Is another run of these planned?
There is an R2 planned some time this year. Keep an eye out on CannonKeys website or Discord.
F yeah!!
Post by: neutralstate on Sat, 30 May 2020, 12:21:34
I've done a word search through this thread but still haven't been able to figure it out- what does the rotary encoder / knob actually do?
by default the volume. pressing it down mutes.
Ah, thanks. I was guessing volume, just couldn't find mention of it :)
cheers man , welcome.
Post by: Mindsmog on Sat, 06 June 2020, 14:15:46
Post by: JustFluxz on Thu, 11 June 2020, 21:26:02
Post by: dwarflemur on Fri, 12 June 2020, 12:58:42
Post by: Diggidy on Fri, 19 June 2020, 19:51:10
Also, this board is beautiful. The 75% layout with a rotary is end-game for me. I am a day 1 buyer for R2 - please make it happen!
Post by: JustFluxz on Mon, 22 June 2020, 22:38:36
Post by: khoaistran on Fri, 31 July 2020, 01:40:58
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 05 August 2020, 12:11:02
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 05 August 2020, 14:10:34
Post by: svenge on Thu, 13 August 2020, 14:33:41
Post by: scandrew19 on Sat, 15 August 2020, 18:00:24
Post by: JustFluxz on Thu, 27 August 2020, 15:56:06
Post by: sirieous on Thu, 27 August 2020, 16:14:25
When will R2 occur? Will there be a hotswap option? Is it a groupbuy, raffle, or till supplies last?R2 sometime this year. Unsure if any other details were revealed.
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Post by: JimmyJim on Fri, 28 August 2020, 14:05:37
https://docs.cannonkeys.com/satisfaction75/build_guide/
Post by: Havattack on Sun, 11 October 2020, 13:40:05
Post by: shansoft on Mon, 12 October 2020, 02:20:10
What size are the o-rings that comes with this board? Where can I get replacements?
https://docs.cannonkeys.com/satisfaction75/build_guide/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GJML4CN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This is what I used among my boards.
Post by: JimmyJim on Sun, 22 November 2020, 15:09:59
What size are the o-rings that comes with this board? Where can I get replacements?
https://docs.cannonkeys.com/satisfaction75/build_guide/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GJML4CN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This is what I used among my boards.
ordered these but found they were the wrong size
decided to email cannonkey's support and received this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vsVvRZ1pW7RWgFFIbMU-KSWnBFgR055epp96CJpkkqY/edit#gid=0
Post by: shansoft on Sun, 22 November 2020, 19:38:52
What size are the o-rings that comes with this board? Where can I get replacements?
https://docs.cannonkeys.com/satisfaction75/build_guide/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GJML4CN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This is what I used among my boards.
ordered these but found they were the wrong size
decided to email cannonkey's support and received this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vsVvRZ1pW7RWgFFIbMU-KSWnBFgR055epp96CJpkkqY/edit#gid=0
Really? It fit mine just fine.....
The specs are nearly identical to the one provided by the cannonkey, except the full diameter size, which is 6mm vs 4mm. Mid diameters are both 2mm.
Post by: yco on Fri, 22 January 2021, 11:10:55
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 22 January 2021, 11:14:20
So is this going to happen? We need R2 please.
You missed R2 by a few months... It ran back in November.
https://cannonkeys.com/blogs/news/satisfaction75-round-2
Post by: killuchen on Fri, 22 January 2021, 11:14:59
So is this going to happen? We need R2 please.
R2 happened last year.
https://cannonkeys.com/blogs/news/satisfaction75-round-2
Post by: yco on Fri, 22 January 2021, 11:26:46
So is this going to happen? We need R2 please.
R2 happened last year.
https://cannonkeys.com/blogs/news/satisfaction75-round-2
NOOOOOOOOOO. Im assuming no extras will be available?
Post by: atlanticise on Sat, 23 January 2021, 23:37:49
So is this going to happen? We need R2 please.
R2 happened last year.
https://cannonkeys.com/blogs/news/satisfaction75-round-2
NOOOOOOOOOO. Im assuming no extras will be available?
There probably will be, it'll just be a pretty long wait for you I'm afraid. If you really really want, I'm sure you could find someone reliable to sell you their GB spot. Although I would stress on the someone reliable bit. A friend who changed their mind, maybe!
Post by: Sycomore on Sun, 24 January 2021, 06:22:22
So is this going to happen? We need R2 please.
R2 happened last year.
https://cannonkeys.com/blogs/news/satisfaction75-round-2
NOOOOOOOOOO. Im assuming no extras will be available?
There probably will be, it'll just be a pretty long wait for you I'm afraid. If you really really want, I'm sure you could find someone reliable to sell you their GB spot. Although I would stress on the someone reliable bit. A friend who changed their mind, maybe!
After the first round of this, i don't think upas will allow a spot sale, so probs have to wait till they're delivered and buy one off of someone then, or buy one that is already in the aftermarket.
Post by: kebskebs on Sat, 13 November 2021, 20:34:17
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628589897623797780/909034559457337424/Satisfaction_75_R2_x_KAT_Arctic.png)
One sexy board.
Post by: svenge on Wed, 01 December 2021, 01:29:52
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This design is what suckered me into this forsaken hobby. Now here we finally are.
Post by: hzh0525 on Mon, 10 April 2023, 15:38:07