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Title: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: Nukz on Tue, 21 February 2023, 13:45:37
(https://imgur.com/65mpv3X.jpg)

Group buy info

Introducing PBTfans Origami, a keycap set made after the classic ePBT Origami (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111860.0) that each one of you adored, hitting majestic sales (https://imgur.com/B6AXQnj.jpg) around the world, this time we aim for a better overall quality and way faster shipping time as it will be an in-stock set

Here is my Discord server. This is where updates and teasers are released first. This is the fastest way to contact me as well, just give me a ping if you have a question. (https://discord.gg/8r3UDPthCs)

When?
May-June 2023

Proxies:
KBDfans


ePBT Origami Actual Photos Note: This is not exactly how will the set PBTfans Origami look, I put these photos for you to see an aproximate for how will the colors of the set look irl
(https://imgur.com/xPyzDy6.jpg)  (https://imgur.com/bhL8VT9.jpg)
ePBT Origami on Space65
Photos taken by Lemongrass

More


(https://imgur.com/ZhZssrf.jpg)  (https://imgur.com/XSX1GX6.jpg)
ePBT Origami on Spring
Photos taken by Kakasi


(https://imgur.com/lq4YPib.jpg)  (https://imgur.com/KYCKEzX.jpg)
ePBT Origami on Rama Zenith
Photos taken by Reactor

(https://imgur.com/jPg6kxv.jpg)
ePBT Origami on TENET70
Photo taken by Neo old man



Renders

(https://imgur.com/k2gg2FX.jpg) 
(https://imgur.com/XzXLLxC.jpg)


(https://imgur.com/UfCvtK5.jpg) 
(https://imgur.com/iBn84Fp.jpg)


(https://imgur.com/RZnrcbk.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/TjVmVFv.jpg)


Kits

The Base Kits support a variety of boards, from 60 to TKL. Including the novelty kit, relegendables and stickers
(https://imgur.com/bTfffPI.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/sCFYJGk.jpg)

The Numpad kit supports full-size, 1800 boards, and separated numpads.
(https://imgur.com/mBqpqVd.jpg)

The Spacebar kit includes many spacebar options along with accented ones.
(https://imgur.com/QqdMFwh.jpg)

The 40s kit supports many Ortho and 40% boards.
(https://imgur.com/Olj5Anz.jpg)

Your feedback is much appreciated!

(https://imgur.com/Ljm6q4a.png) (https://discord.gg/SzJ2YzRHJA)
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: jabe8i on Tue, 21 February 2023, 13:55:05
Damn, I was hoping the "Modern" kit would be a part of this.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: NihonCK on Tue, 21 February 2023, 13:57:31
whats the pantone colors this is based on? do you have a color chip for color matching this time?
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: TyPo.mk on Tue, 21 February 2023, 14:08:04
Isn’t there like 1,500 epbt origami extras floating around?

Edit: nevermind looks like they’re sold out or close to selling our most places, sorry I didn’t realize epbt actually delivered keycaps
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: trung11.kb on Tue, 21 February 2023, 14:18:03
I noticed that your novs are from The Noun Project and I was wondering if you ever paid the license fees for the unattributed icons in the epbt version as well as if you plan on paying the license fees for this PBTFans version.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: AmethystDCVR on Tue, 21 February 2023, 14:23:37
the epbt set had icon mods. will icons option be offered for pbtfans version? for me personally, this will be make or break.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: Nukz on Tue, 21 February 2023, 14:23:56
I noticed that your novs are from The Noun Project and I was wondering if you ever paid the license fees for the unattributed icons in the epbt version as well as if you plan on paying the license fees for this PBTFans version.
Actually only half of the novelties were bought through NounProject and half were made by one of my friend Tsakuyo. And yes, everything was paid for ePBT Origami, all the licenses are here!
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: Nukz on Tue, 21 February 2023, 14:25:20
whats the pantone colors this is based on? do you have a color chip for color matching this time?
The colors are both RAL and of course, everything has been matched ;)
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: DaaDaa on Tue, 21 February 2023, 14:35:05
The mods like enter shift and tab having text is not a good idea and it doesn't match the theme. They should be icon only.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: andromache on Tue, 21 February 2023, 14:40:09
Why didn't you ever post updates in your GB threads for EPBT Origami and EPBT Simple Baybayin? According to the GH rules, you're supposed to update monthly, which is kind of an unnecessary amount given how slow some GBs go, but you literally never posted any updates at all on sample progress, etc. I guess that won't matter for this one since it'll be in-stock, but kind of sucks for the people who wanted updates on the previous GBs of yours they joined and never heard anything.....
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 21 February 2023, 15:20:56
random list of thoughts:
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: digitalnothing on Tue, 21 February 2023, 16:15:41
Text+icon mods are trash, but the colors are really nice. Love the novelties. Change to icon mods and this would be a definitely buy.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: PuNkShoO on Tue, 21 February 2023, 17:05:10
Will these be PBT or ABS?
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Tue, 21 February 2023, 18:26:15
I'll be real I prefer the Icon+text to just icons, but then again I can't buy more caps without having a board to put them on so I'm not going to buy this anyways.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: Araset on Wed, 22 February 2023, 05:29:34
Is that a 1.25u R2 in the 40s kit?
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: Cylent on Wed, 22 February 2023, 06:08:14
I still do not understand the hate for pbtfans text + icon legends.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: matthewdias on Wed, 22 February 2023, 13:03:01
I still do not understand the hate for pbtfans text + icon legends.

the text is just kind of wonky. look at the lowercase e's for example. also it doesnt match the stock 40s kit
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: Cylent on Wed, 22 February 2023, 17:25:40
I still do not understand the hate for pbtfans text + icon legends.

the text is just kind of wonky. look at the lowercase e's for example. also it doesnt match the stock 40s kit
The complaint that that the text+icon legends do not match the stock 40s kit makes sense to me. Looking at the text+icon legends in person, they look fine imo. Even if you don't like the font it's less noticeable than GMK's wonky alignment.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: ankit on Wed, 22 February 2023, 18:25:12
I still do not understand the hate for pbtfans text + icon legends.

would prefer a text only r3 control, text + icon is a dealbreaker for me

Even if you don't like the font it's less noticeable than GMK's wonky alignment.

??
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: Cylent on Wed, 22 February 2023, 19:00:45
Even if you don't like the font it's less noticeable than GMK's wonky alignment.

??
You cannot be a GMK user and not know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: mr_foggy on Thu, 23 February 2023, 05:09:12
Even if you don't like the font it's less noticeable than GMK's wonky alignment.

ehhhhhh no.

GMK's kerning > PBTfans wretched Delete and the Aifei looking ass Backspace
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: ravenousrhino on Thu, 23 February 2023, 05:38:37
Why didn't you ever post updates in your GB threads for EPBT Origami and EPBT Simple Baybayin? According to the GH rules, you're supposed to update monthly, which is kind of an unnecessary amount given how slow some GBs go, but you literally never posted any updates at all on sample progress, etc. I guess that won't matter for this one since it'll be in-stock, but kind of sucks for the people who wanted updates on the previous GBs of yours they joined and never heard anything.....

He never even updated regularly in the Discord. And when he did, the info he gave was wrong. Literally learned nothing from people teaching him how to give updates.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: DaaDaa on Thu, 23 February 2023, 07:01:23
Why didn't you ever post updates in your GB threads for EPBT Origami and EPBT Simple Baybayin? According to the GH rules, you're supposed to update monthly, which is kind of an unnecessary amount given how slow some GBs go, but you literally never posted any updates at all on sample progress, etc. I guess that won't matter for this one since it'll be in-stock, but kind of sucks for the people who wanted updates on the previous GBs of yours they joined and never heard anything.....

He never even updated regularly in the Discord. And when he did, the info he gave was wrong. Literally learned nothing from people teaching him how to give updates.

True. All the things he said in this thread about his discord being the place to get updates is not true. I guess he means that from now on that's gonna be the case; if you are inclined to believe. But you have to remember this was epbt so there literally was no info at all until just before they started shipping. Also for matching , epbt is literally the worst which makes blaming the designer a little difficult.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: mr_foggy on Thu, 23 February 2023, 09:15:11
Also for matching , epbt is literally the worst which makes blaming the designer a little difficult.
so? does epbt start production without sample approval from the designer? I doubt that.
epbt *is* the worst but someone must have green lighted the mismatched accent color.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: NihonCK on Thu, 23 February 2023, 14:22:11
Why didn't you ever post updates in your GB threads for EPBT Origami and EPBT Simple Baybayin? According to the GH rules, you're supposed to update monthly, which is kind of an unnecessary amount given how slow some GBs go, but you literally never posted any updates at all on sample progress, etc. I guess that won't matter for this one since it'll be in-stock, but kind of sucks for the people who wanted updates on the previous GBs of yours they joined and never heard anything.....

He never even updated regularly in the Discord. And when he did, the info he gave was wrong. Literally learned nothing from people teaching him how to give updates.

True. All the things he said in this thread about his discord being the place to get updates is not true. I guess he means that from now on that's gonna be the case; if you are inclined to believe. But you have to remember this was epbt so there literally was no info at all until just before they started shipping. Also for matching , epbt is literally the worst which makes blaming the designer a little difficult.

The color matching, wasn't done properly at all
simply just received the first samples, asked people if it looked good on the discord server, then approved them for production. No attempts at all to match with a color chip or comparison wasn't shown, didn't even attempt a round 2 of sampling either.

Sure, ePBT is slow as hell and can be quite terrible with matching even when provided a color chip, but the excuses out of this designer and never owning up to the mistakes they have made, make this set and the other one still pending with ePBT, rather concerning.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: Nukz on Thu, 23 February 2023, 15:37:08
The color matching, wasn't done properly at all
simply just received the first samples, asked people if it looked good on the discord server, then approved them for production. No attempts at all to match with a color chip or comparison wasn't shown, didn't even attempt a round 2 of sampling either.
These are photos from my discord server, posted this a day after recieving the samples (12/10/2021)
https://imgur.com/a/TR4dBrx

Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: aicyborg on Thu, 23 February 2023, 19:34:30
Since you will be running a latin alphas base and PBTfans has the capacity to produce nordeuk kits, please add international support to this set via a nordeuk kit.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: Cylent on Fri, 24 February 2023, 06:59:26
Even if you don't like the font it's less noticeable than GMK's wonky alignment.

ehhhhhh no.

GMK's kerning > PBTfans wretched Delete and the Aifei looking ass Backspace
Legends are definitely a subjective thing, so what you prefer is pure preference. For me pbtfans' text legends blend into the background when I look at my board, but every time I look down I notice GMK's number row alignment. As someone who has "fixed" GMK's legends to have consistent alignment, there are errors across the board with GMK's legends because they were originally made by hand.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 24 February 2023, 11:35:19
Even if you don't like the font it's less noticeable than GMK's wonky alignment.

ehhhhhh no.

GMK's kerning > PBTfans wretched Delete and the Aifei looking ass Backspace
Legends are definitely a subjective thing

incorrect, my comparison was a subjective thing, but objectively uneven legend height and objectively inconsistent legend thickness such as those on pbtfans text+icon mods are facts. it's ok if it doesn't bother you but it doesn't mean it's not there.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: Cylent on Sat, 25 February 2023, 16:52:38
Even if you don't like the font it's less noticeable than GMK's wonky alignment.

ehhhhhh no.

GMK's kerning > PBTfans wretched Delete and the Aifei looking ass Backspace
Legends are definitely a subjective thing, so what you prefer is pure preference. For me pbtfans' text legends blend into the background when I look at my board, but every time I look down I notice GMK's number row alignment. As someone who has "fixed" GMK's legends to have consistent alignment, there are errors across the board with GMK's legends because they were originally made by hand.
incorrect, my comparison was a subjective thing, but objectively uneven legend height and objectively inconsistent legend thickness such as those on pbtfans text+icon mods are facts. it's ok if it doesn't bother you but it doesn't mean it's not there.
There, I fixed it by adding back the context in my comment that you strangely removed.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | In-Stock Set
Post by: mr_foggy on Sun, 26 February 2023, 08:13:04
There, I fixed it by adding back the context in my comment that you strangely removed.

removed because it had nothing to do with what was being discussed.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: Nukz on Mon, 06 March 2023, 13:13:53
Changed the base kits from Icon + Text to just Icon Mods :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: kkd_20 on Wed, 08 March 2023, 02:00:27
Those renders look sick  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: tactilesbad on Thu, 09 March 2023, 10:41:08
Changed the base kits from Icon + Text to just Icon Mods :thumb:

thank god text on pbt fans mods is a war crime
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: aicyborg on Thu, 09 March 2023, 19:48:16
Changed the base kits from Icon + Text to just Icon Mods :thumb:

Please consider adding an international kit to this. I asked before but the request got drowned out in the arguing over icon/text mods. PBTfans has one pre-made so you wouldn't have to design anything. It opens this set up to regional ISO users.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: involuntarysoul on Fri, 10 March 2023, 12:14:18
looks lot like GMK Sixes
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: YoungManKim on Fri, 10 March 2023, 14:01:47
looks lot like GMK Sixes

Yes, they are both beige sets. Great observation.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: DaaDaa on Fri, 10 March 2023, 16:40:00
looks lot like GMK Sixes

if you ever see GMK umka or klassiker you will doopdis yourself.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: savovo on Tue, 14 March 2023, 10:52:19
Current ePBT origami owner here and I must say that the GB was a mess. A lot of customers were mad in the discord due to lack of updates and when we did get updates, it wasn't good news. A lot of us received keycaps with defects such as nubs(?) or extra material from the casting which was not pleasant to see. Additionally, the thing that irked me the most is that before everyone received their sets, the designer decided to release an IC in the discord server to say that they were working with pbtfans for a cheaper and better quality origami set. So everyone who got epbt origami pretty much got played like test subjects.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: tactilesbad on Thu, 16 March 2023, 12:13:50
Current ePBT origami owner here and I must say that the GB was a mess. A lot of customers were mad in the discord due to lack of updates and when we did get updates, it wasn't good news. A lot of us received keycaps with defects such as nubs(?) or extra material from the casting which was not pleasant to see. Additionally, the thing that irked me the most is that before everyone received their sets, the designer decided to release an IC in the discord server to say that they were working with pbtfans for a cheaper and better quality origami set. So everyone who got epbt origami pretty much got played like test subjects.

can confirm, sold my unit as soon as I opened the tray. colors were wrong, dyesub was fuzzy, the whole nav cluster looked like ****
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: Zitrouny on Sat, 25 March 2023, 11:10:43
Please add NorDeUK/International Set. Every PBTfans set has it. It's a dealbreaker without it!
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: Akele on Sat, 25 March 2023, 17:12:40
Please add NorDeUK/International Set. Every PBTfans set has it. It's a dealbreaker without it!

Likewise hoping to see a NorDeUK kit as an option.
Title: Re: [IC] PBTfans Origami | Changed to Icon Mods
Post by: aicyborg on Sat, 25 March 2023, 20:05:06
Please add NorDeUK/International Set. Every PBTfans set has it. It's a dealbreaker without it!

Likewise hoping to see a NorDeUK kit as an option.

Please add NorDeUK/International Set. Every PBTfans set has it. It's a dealbreaker without it!

Don't think it's going to happen, unfortunately. I've asked twice and definitely asked early enough to be seen but ignored. This set's likely already in production given it'll be in stock in May and the designer's obviously not that bothered about international support. If that bothers you (and it should) just don't buy when it's available.