That FI-kit is realy over-kill... I don't know if there acctualy exist one keyboard with finnish-multilingual layout... Full SW/FI-layout would do the job... So, it's bit moot point, still could change this option to SW/FI inluding Alt Grs...
Need the ESDF, but am I the only one not into the orange color of the orange kit?
Maybe something a little more subtle like a slightly lighter gray...?
I personally would prefer red WASD gaming keys. Just fits my computer color scheme or Black, Grey(Silver) and Red.
The best thing would be, you take the graphic from wikipedia and edit it according to what you think is best and then post it here.
Love the orange as it is very geekhack-ish (unless you are a light theme user). :)
I like the orange too. I want to expand my Round 1 set with it. It's impossible for me to spell ASS in orange right now, but with the orange expansion kit I could spell ASSWAD RAGE. Or GRASS DEW.
+1 for the Orange
Taking pre-orders yet? This is looking awesome, keep it up 7bit!
I'm assuming this kit will work well (layout, size of function keys) with the new boards EliteKeyboards stocks in Jan/Feb.
Thanks again for doing this 7bit.
... (unless you are a light theme user). :)
I think that at least the spacebar is a bit different on the Leopold keyboards compared to Filco/Ducky keyboards.
wooha! Blue text on light gray, wtf uses that?
Ahhh...! Much better!
Well, SH*T. I plan on buying a Leopold black kb w/ cherry browns from EK when they come out, and wanted to put these keycaps on it. I would imagine ROUND THREE will be shipping around the same time the new keyboards come out at Elitekeyboards. Is there a way we can confirm wether it'll fit or not, and if it doesn't, 7bit, any chance of getting that extra spacebar made?
Btw, while we are at this. We should also make a special spacebar/second spacebar for the new and upcoming Leopold boards since sooner or later a lot of people now ordering the set will end up with those. They are entirely different from Filco/Ducky/Cherry. I can measure out mine later if this order sets off before the public launch of those keyboards.
Does the POS kit no longer come with F13-F24? That was one of the primary reasons I was interested in this, as I wanted to replace my relengendable keys with those.
Besides, my F keys aren't double shot like the rest of the board.
Might be the same difference as between Filco and normal Cherry spacebars.
Filco top, Cherry bottom (with extra stem glued on to fit the Filco)...Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11893&d=1280374420)
"I like big fonts and I can not lie..."
any plans to use a different font some day? id be interested in a US standard layout but im not feeling the current font..too big imo
Well, it's not so much the big as the thinness.
Round One - Fairly thin ArialShow Image(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5089/5222293811_19226e0b17_z.jpg)
versus
That old standby, the Selectric with blobby unknown fontShow Image(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/5063535416_91aed6cf43_z.jpg)
Help out Panda-R with Round TWO (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=12682).
As of now, they (Signature Plastics) do only one style of font (though Ripster has a different opinion on that). Also, I love it that way. A clean, readable font.
(so that im not messing anything up) do i vote im interested in the 104 keys but reply and say i want a different font? cant find his post (theres 50 pages)
The chance it will be the same font as round 1 is 99%. The chance that it will be that Selectric typewirter helvetica is 0.999999%, now guess what chance any other font will have for round 3!
Anyway, I will enquire on that font issue at SP on Monday, that's promised.
lol ok..thought u were tryin to say panda shares the same opinion with me, guess i wont bother voting then -.-
Panda Ponders Ponderously.
That FI-kit is realy over-kill
Yep. The SW/FI layouts are the same, sometimes called "SF".
I have not been in on round 1 or 2, so I am not that interested in getting a kit myself, but I would like to offer a suggestion anyway:
Would it be inexpensive to add two extra keys to the SE/FI or NO layouts? If so, then perhaps you could merge those two into one.
The difference between SF and NO layouts is only how the letters Ä/Æ and Ö/Ø are drawn. The Danish (DK) layout is almost the same as the NO, but with Ø and Æ swapped and a different shifted symbol on the key to the left of 1.
Some keyboard vendors, such as Steelseries, don't have different layouts for Sweden/Finland/Norway/Denmark - they print both letters on those keys. Others have included a few extra keys and a key cap puller with their keyboards.
Yep. The SW/FI layouts are the same, sometimes called "SF".
I have not been in on round 1 or 2, so I am not that interested in getting a kit myself, but I would like to offer a suggestion anyway:
Would it be inexpensive to add two extra keys to the SE/FI or NO layouts? If so, then perhaps you could merge those two into one.
The difference between SF and NO layouts is only how the letters Ä/Æ and Ö/Ø are drawn. The Danish (DK) layout is almost the same as the NO, but with Ø and Æ swapped and a different shifted symbol on the key to the left of 1.
Some keyboard vendors, such as Steelseries, don't have different layouts for Sweden/Finland/Norway/Denmark - they print both letters on those keys. Others have included a few extra keys and a key cap puller with their keyboards.
I'm already thinking of that. First thing I thought Ekaros wanted the full layout with all those diacritics and extra labels on A-Z-keys.
Would be helpful if you post diagrams with those labels you actually want, because it is a bit difficult for me to know how those keybaords are actually labeld (I can only look at these Wikipedia-layouts). I got also a response from some German GH who wanted [ { } ] somewhere on those 1-9,0 keys. I will add that to that layout as well.
Please understand that I use US-layout for most of my life and not even know the German layout, except for that weired swap of Y and Z plus ( ) being in wrong places, plus lots of keys missing which are necessary for programming.
OK, so it's part of the function kit. I thought you'd made noises in the other thread that you were going to make it part of the POS kit, since those are the boards that tend to have those keys.
So the function kit is a definite yes? Since it's not in the poll.
I meant this particular poll. I really did think it was part of the POS kit. Sorry for the confusion.
Too many polls for me to keep track of, I guess.
Anyway, thanks for doing this!
I'm sure Signature Plastics will take as much money as we throw at them. If a red set is wanted, someone just needs to take the lead, get enough people to commit and go for it!
So why none has suggested full red set? ;D Only issue with those would be death of geekhack due to too many posts...
Thats the pita, I was talking to SP a few weeks back in regards to some blank sets. But I doubt I'd get enough people to make it worth while.
What color?
I put it into the next poll.
IIRC, didn't keypuller come off as free (or bonus) feature in round one?
So what does toy set do over there?
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Nordic kit @ $14
So what exactly is in the Orange kit set for $10? All 21 keys shown in your picture? Somehow that sounds almost too cheap.
Funny how I don't have any finnish keyboards at hand here. However that layout looks to be accurate.
Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14170&stc=1&d=1292799928)
Are we to ignore the positions of keys on this layout? Fire, forward, etc will have the wrong profile.
If you're proposing a full set as above, won't we need extra blanks to replace those keys with legends that we don't use?
Nordic kit @ $14
- covers AT/DE/FI/NO/SE
IMPORTANT:
If you want AT, DE or SE-layout, please vote for it in the main thread!
If you want FI or NO, please vote here, so I can see if one national layout sticks out and could be offered in a reduced (cheaper) version separately.Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14158&stc=1&d=1292773327)
Please notce that this covers Austria, Germany, Finland, Norway and Sweden.
Please tell me if you like it.
Don't hesitate to suggest changes.
Please be as specific as possible!
Thanks!
Be sure, Ekaros will check it out for us :-)
So double shot replacements with Finnish layout option? Definitely want one... where do I sign :biggrin:
Anybody interested in those 2 additional keys to make up DK layout?
Yes, I could maybe use ten of each if the price isn't to ridiculous ..
4 POS kits for me, barring any big problems with SP :D
POS kit will be at $18 if 25 sets are being produced (which is very likely!).
POS keys will have row-3 profile (as I understand that is ASDFG-row).
It is also possible to do these keys for e.g. the top rows which would fit mayby better as most of them will go into there.
Interesting - row 3 is +7 degrees and row 1 is -1 degrees. Does doing them all as a single profile cut down on the cost? I don't really have a preference, but row 1 might be a bit more flexible, even though most of the keys in this set have origins from the rows with positive angles.
...Show Image(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5209305941_512f049b9a_z.jpg)
from the Key Reference Wiki (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Key+Reference+-+Pics+and+specifications+for+various+manufacturers+keys#Geekhack+Custom+Key+Set).
She gave me prices for row 3 but did only say it might be more costly if these are for different rows, not for one row. You brought this up, so you decide!
I take that row 1 profile is for the top-rows, right?
So it is 1 1 2 3 4 4? right?
Their page (http://www.solutionsinplastic.com/pdfs/DCSFamily.pdf) claims that DCS is 5 1 2 3 4 4, which is odd since in Ripster's pic the first two are identical.
In any case, doing them all as one row is fine. If row 1 cost is the same as row 3 cost, let's do them all as row 1 profile.
Yeah, my pic is just like they are on the keyboards. Anything else seems a bit silly IMHO.
In any case just saying to do it like the last order should work. And give them feedback they should fix row 4 to be less angled.
Hmm, I just noticed one small and useless cosmetic detail. "Lack" of Alt Gr-key... Not that there is any real need for that Gr... Just came to my mind, from other thread...
I don't know now if the Modifier kit is overcrowded, or not.
However, there will be such key and it will be labeled:
ALT GRAPH
I include it only because it is part of the Sun layout!
I don't know, but maybe this should be thrown in local-layout kits... As it seem to fit UK too... Might need to take some comments on this where one does belong...
Adding such a key to Nordic set, costs extra $-s.
I'm not sure how many sets of the Nordic kit will be ordered. These $14 are very tight, now.
There are less than 25 votes for all national layouts together! At the moment, the only 2 which would make it into production are UK and that Nordic layout. If these where all separeted, I would be sure not even German layout would make it at a reasonable price.
BTW, I plan to set up a new poll where everybody can vote for quantities, maybe some take more than one set.
So let's be evil and throw it in standard? ;D
What does the POS kits change exactly?
I like the symbol that one find on bog standard keyboard but my understanding is that is it not something offered on this round. Am I wrong?
Tam
I am actually not really understanding the description of the different kits. And my original question is regarding the modifier key (shift, tabs, enter and backspace and winkey). From my understanding the standard kit offer those as full words. I grew accustomed to the symbols that one find on OEM branded keyboard and I was wondering therefore if there is a kit to include those symbols. Like on that picture Ripster posted:Show Image(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1286/5190906888_5f814dac28_b.jpg)
Sorry for asking questions so late.
This is how Filco made it, which is most important cluster for me.
Show Image(http://koti.mbnet.fi/ekaros/FILCO/FIFilcoTB03.jpg ) (http://koti.mbnet.fi/ekaros/FILCO/FIFilco03.JPG)
This is other part.
Show Image(http://koti.mbnet.fi/ekaros/FILCO/FIFilcoTB05.jpg ) (http://koti.mbnet.fi/ekaros/FILCO/FIFilco05.JPG)
Very sorry for thread ressurection, but where did you accuire this keyboard? seems to be the perfect replacement for my half broken Steelkeys 6G
Also, have a mate looking for a good keyboard, and we cant find any good mechanicals in denmark with a proper layout like this (They all have something retarded in them, but yours is PERFECT!)
Again, sorry for randomly quoteing you
It's from keyboardco.com not very cheap, but I love it, still it's SW/FI not DK... There is a few minor differences apart from ÖÄÅ...I dont care about the keycap labels, as long as the keys are where they should be when typing, id prefer a blank one actually