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« on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:22:32 »
The Cherry switches for the Phantom orders ship this week, but there is still demand for more!

Please submit your order to user CherryMX !

Order-format (to be pm'ed to CherryMX):
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MXRED        |0.7|MX1A-L1NN L/L  (12/2012)
MXBLACK      |0.7|MX1A-11NN L/M  (available?)
MXDARKGREY   |0.7|MX1A-21NN L/S  (available?)
MXLOCK       |3.6|MX1A-31NN L/SL (available)
MXBROWN      |0.7|MX1A-G1NN T/L  (02/2013)
MXCLEAR      |0.7|MX1A-C1NN T/M  (in stock)
MXGREY       |0.7|MX1A-D1NN T/S  (available)
MXBLUE       |0.7|MX1A-E1NN C/L  (in stock)
MXGREEN      |0.7|MX1A-F1NN C/M  (in stock)
MXWHITE      |0.7|MX1A-A1NN SC/M (available?)

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MXRED/NW     |0.7|MX1A-L1NW L/L  (02/2013)
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MXDARKGREY/NW|0.7|MX1A-21NW L/S  (available)
MXLOCK/NW    |3.6|MX1A-31NW L/SL (in stock)
MXBROWN/NW   |0.7|MX1A-G1NW T/L  (02/2013)
MXCLEAR/NW   |0.7|MX1A-C1NW T/M  (02/2013)
MXGREY/NW    |0.7|MX1A-D1NW T/S  (02/2013)
MXBLUE/NW    |0.7|MX1A-E1NW C/L  (02/2013)
MXGREEN/NW   |0.7|MX1A-F1NW C/M  (02/2013)
MXWHITE/NW   |0.7|MX1A-A1NW SC/M (in stock)

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in stock: In stock at the supplier
available: available from Cherry within 8-12 weeks
available?: should be available from Cherry within 8-12 weeks, but not confirmed
mm/yyyy: available in ca. mm/yyyy

Prices might be lower, as quantities are higher.

The price for the MXLOCK is not too high, but it was too low last time (we where just lucky).

Shipping costs are $5 no matter how many are ordered.

Prices are in USD but you can pay in EUR using a fixed exchange rate of 1 EUR = 1.3 USD.

Please notice that some switch-types are not available right now (late 2012 / early 2013).
I will ship whatever I get, so you can pre-order any switch and get all the available switches earlier.
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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:25:14 »
Did you do a collection group ? :D.

Also, nice !

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:28:59 »
Do I need plate mount switches or pcb mount switches for the poker DIY and the ErgoDox/Ergo64?

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:37:17 »
Quote from: merijn;607924
Do I need plate mount switches or pcb mount switches for the poker DIY and the ErgoDox/Ergo64?


As far as I know, the Poker is onlt a PCB, no mount plate, so you need the PCB mountable switches (with the 2 plastic pins at the bottom).
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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:39:16 »
With pins means the stabilizing feet right? Or are these coming with diodes
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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:43:32 »
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Do I need plate mount switches or pcb mount switches for the poker DIY and the ErgoDox/Ergo64?


You need plate mount switches if you ordered the plate mount in the DIY kit.

Edit: nvm, I think you can use pcb even with the plate mount.

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:46:27 »
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You need plate mount switches if you ordered the plate mount in the DIY kit.

Edit: nvm, I think you can use pcb even with the plate mount.

You can. It'll just make the switch even more stable.
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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:58:29 »
because some PCBs don't have the holes for the PCB mounted switchs.

So you need to cut off the 2 extra pins, and tadaa.

TL;DR: order PCB*mounted switchs. Unless you know you want pcb mounted switchs.

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:59:43 »
Maybe some companies don't want the extra work of punching two more holes per switch?
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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 12:59:58 »
Gentelmen, start your wallets.

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 13:00:54 »
Oh and, How low can we go with the prices if we order a lot?

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 13:07:40 »
Quote from: Raging Salmon;607945
quick question: does Filco contain the two extra holes needed for pcb mounted - or do they have to be drilled in?

you don't drill in your PCB, you cut the pins from the switch :p.

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 13:28:12 »
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quick question: does Filco or WASD contain the two extra holes needed for pcb mounted - or do they have to be drilled in?

Any popular plate mounted boards that don't have the extra two holes?

If its plate mounted, 99.9% it won't have the extra holes.

Hell, I've only really seen Korean custom boards do both.
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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 13:28:48 »
And DECK, afaik.

Quote from: 7bit;607917
MXBROWN      |0.7|MX1A-G1NN T/L  (02/2013)


Uhm. WAT? 2013? Lol.

Quote from: 7bit;607917
available: available from Cherry within 8-12 weeks


So you ordered directly from Cherry? I thought they had 100k MOQ.

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The price for the MXLOCK is not too high, but it was too low last time (we where just lucky).


Good thing I ordered 20 the last time. :D

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 14:04:20 »
Quote from: Zehkul;607958
And DECK, afaik.



Uhm. WAT? 2013? Lol.



So you ordered directly from Cherry? I thought they had 100k MOQ.



Good thing I ordered 20 the last time. :D

You can try to get these from a different supplier. We can wait with this until early 2013 and then the switches which where available become available again in late 2013. That's the way things are.
Whatever we order, they will deliver as soon as they can, so I can ship out all available or soon avoilable switches way before early 2013.
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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 14:09:36 »
Quote from: Raging Salmon;607949
Thanks for the answer; I learn something new every day.

Unfortunately it might be irrelevant; no Clears until next year.


You can order the clears without pins and then swap with switches which are available with pins.

Also, maybe we find another source for the unavailable switches which has them in stock.

The only problem is that there will be no browns and reds.
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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 14:35:42 »
If you really need MX Red switches that are PCB Mount, It's been stated that Kinesis sells them in packs. Just contact them personally.

@merijin,
      As for the ErgoDox, Dorkvader will be offering a soldering service, which would lead one to believe the switches will be plate mounted. Also you can look at Page 43 of the ErgoDox thread, and the prototype PCBs do not have the additional holes necessary for PCB mounting. Dox can of course confirm this, but everything to this point has led me to believe that the ErgoDox will be Plate mounted only. Hope that helps!

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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 15:06:07 »
7bit,

      What is the ETA on switches ordered that are currently in stock? I am thinking about picking up 84 Greens.

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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 15:10:29 »
How about low quantity orders? I was considering ordering a few (~5) of a couple of switches, just to try them out.
Also, are addresses, paypal etc. saved from R4?
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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 15:11:13 »
you can order low quantity :D.

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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 17:53:39 »
Quote from: 7bit;607917

Please submit your order to user CherryMX !

Order-format (to be pm'ed to CherryMX):
MXCLEAR 100
MXWHITE 50
you@e-mail.address


I am guessing that by asking for our email address in a PM that these will be invoiced at some later date. Any idea when that will be, approximately?

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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 18:19:17 »
Quote from: OrangeJewce;608002
If you really need MX Red switches that are PCB Mount, It's been stated that Kinesis sells them in packs. Just contact them personally.

@merijin,
      As for the ErgoDox, Dorkvader will be offering a soldering service, which would lead one to believe the switches will be plate mounted. Also you can look at Page 43 of the ErgoDox thread, and the prototype PCBs do not have the additional holes necessary for PCB mounting. Dox can of course confirm this, but everything to this point has led me to believe that the ErgoDox will be Plate mounted only. Hope that helps!

Cheers,
If you look at the ergoDOX PCB, you'll notice that it does/will have holes for PCB-mount switches. You should be able to order either and be fine. The PCB mount ones will work with the mounting plate on the proposed case design.

Actually, you can see the back of his soldered PCB with the PCB-mount switch stabilizers peeking up through the board.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?22780-Interest-Check-Custom-split-ergo-keyboard&p=600266&viewfull=1#post600266

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 19:17:49 »
Quote from: dorkvader;608179
If you look at the ergoDOX PCB, you'll notice that it does/will have holes for PCB-mount switches. You should be able to order either and be fine. The PCB mount ones will work with the mounting plate on the proposed case design.

Actually, you can see the back of his soldered PCB with the PCB-mount switch stabilizers peeking up through the board.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?22780-Interest-Check-Custom-split-ergo-keyboard&p=600266&viewfull=1#post600266

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Dorkvader,

     Aha! I seriously thought that was solder the first time I looked at the PCB. There are two holes that would indicate PCB mounted switches will work OK. I guess that explains why people were excited they could order LED MX Red switches from Kinesis. Hmm, that means I might only need assembly on one board, unless the plate will interfere.

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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 21:25:04 »
OK all, explain to the noob, me, why you would use a lock switch? Would it ber for cap, scroll and num locks?

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 05 June 2012, 22:09:40 »
For awesome shift lock!
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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 09:16:03 »
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OK all, explain to the noob, me, why you would use a lock switch? Would it ber for cap, scroll and num locks?

Thanks,
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The switch has a different action, where you hit it once to depress (and activate it) and again to release. I've always wanted one for a function lock to bring up a second layer: most likely on a phantom converting the right side to a numpad instead of arrow/media/etc keys.

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 09:18:08 »
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The switch has a different action, where you hit it once to depress (and activate it) and again to release. I've always wanted one for a function lock to bring up a second layer: most likely on a phantom converting the right side to a numpad instead of arrow/media/etc keys.

Thinking of the ErgoDox, it would be useful for switching between custom layers (when we get that far).

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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 09:34:37 »
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The switch has a different action, where you hit it once to depress (and activate it) and again to release. I've always wanted one for a function lock to bring up a second layer: most likely on a phantom converting the right side to a numpad instead of arrow/media/etc keys.

So, you wouldn't use these for a cap, num or scroll lock on a regular kbd? I am guessing the two position is built into the chip on the kbd? Will any of these be needed for a "shifted" function on the DIY Race kits iMav is doing the group buy for?

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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 09:48:49 »
I wouldn't mind using it for caps/num/scroll (well for numlock. I never use capslock, and Scroll lock gets little use), but I do believe the way the switch operates, you'll need to edit the firmware. You'll have to ask someone that owns one, though.

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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 10:26:12 »
From what I can gather, the locking switch would not replace keyswitches that, when pressed, activate a "lock" function, such as Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, or Num Lock. The lock switch would rather replace a normal momentary closed switch, in order to keep the switch closed after it is pressed, and activate that keypress until it is pressed again to open the switch. For instance, if you replaced your left shift keyswitch with a lock switch, once you activate the left "shift lock," YOU WOULD GET CHARACTERS LIKE THIS INCLUDING THE NUMBER ROW< ETC>< !@#$%^&*()_+> WHEN YOU PRESS THE LEFT SHIFT AGAIN TO DEACTIVATE IT< you would cancel the lock. You could theoretically replace any modifier switch with a lock switch, but I don't know how often you would need to keep a modifier, e.g. Ctrl, Alt, Win, Menu, held down like that. Maybe like dorkvader said, for a Fn-lock.
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 12:41:23 »
Quote from: dorkvader;608517
I wouldn't mind using it for caps/num/scroll (well for numlock. I never use capslock, and Scroll lock gets little use), but I do believe the way the switch operates, you'll need to edit the firmware. You'll have to ask someone that owns one, though.


If it is down it is just like permanetly pressing that switch. So better map it to shift and call it Shift Lock. On Caps Lock it just acts the following way:

Down: Caps Lock on
Up: Caps Lock still on
Down: Caps Lock off
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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 17:35:55 »
Quote from: 7bit;608612
If it is down it is just like permanetly pressing that switch. So better map it to shift and call it Shift Lock. On Caps Lock it just acts the following way:

Down: Caps Lock on
Up: Caps Lock still on
Down: Caps Lock off
Up: Caps Lock still off
Thanks for clarifying. I see this as shiftlock (if you're into that sort of thing) or FN-lock (very useful)

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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 20:36:09 »
Quote from: 7bit;608612
If it is down it is just like permanetly pressing that switch. So better map it to shift and call it Shift Lock. On Caps Lock it just acts the following way:

Down: Caps Lock on
Up: Caps Lock still on
Down: Caps Lock off
Up: Caps Lock still off


Nice answer. Then it acts just like a caps, num and scroll lock on a standard 104 key keyboard. So my question then, in my ignorance, is, are any of these required for the Poker kits iMAV is offering? If so, how many?

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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 21:24:03 »
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Nice answer. Then it acts just like a caps, num and scroll lock on a standard 104 key keyboard. So my question then, in my ignorance, is, are any of these required for the Poker kits iMAV is offering? If so, how many?


For Poker DIY? You don't need any lock switches. Just 61 of whichever color you like best. PCB-mount. Or 122 if you plan to fill both PCBs in the kit.

If you use switches with light springs, i.e. Browns, Blues, or Reds, some people like to use a heaver switch for the spacebar. For example, if you use Brown switches, you could use a tactile Grey for the spacebar. With Blues you could have a Green spacebar. Reds -> Black. Blacks -> Linear Grey.
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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 21:38:43 »
I think I would use locking switches for my TIPRO...

Layer 1, off, off
Layer 2, off, on
Layer 3, on, off
Layer 4, on, on

Atleast that could be one way to utilize those...
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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 06 June 2012, 21:50:28 »
Quote from: jdcarpe;608925
For Poker DIY? You don't need any lock switches. Just 61 of whichever color you like best. PCB-mount. Or 122 if you plan to fill both PCBs in the kit.

If you use switches with light springs, i.e. Browns, Blues, or Reds, some people like to use a heaver switch for the spacebar. For example, if you use Brown switches, you could use a tactile Grey for the spacebar. With Blues you could have a Green spacebar. Reds -> Black. Blacks -> Linear Grey.

Yeah, I picked up the heavier space bar switch thing from the WIKI. SOme people actually read them. Anyways, I will populate both PCS. I am planning 1 with blues and a green spacebar and the other with reds and a black spacebar.

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« Reply #36 on: Sat, 09 June 2012, 02:34:26 »
Where's the MXSUPERGREY you promised me? 105cN clicky tactile has to be in at least one of your SwitchBuy Rounds.
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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 10 June 2012, 08:19:55 »
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Where's the MXSUPERGREY you promised me? 105cN clicky tactile has to be in at least one of your SwitchBuy Rounds.


The MXSUPERGREY is out of produciton. So you have to look for old stock.

The colors available in this and the previous run are all which are available.
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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 10 June 2012, 09:21:49 »
They still produce MXLOCK, but NOT MXSUPERGREY?! I wouldn't have guessed that... Damn... A board of MXSUPERGREY would've been awesome...
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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 10 June 2012, 11:00:50 »
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They still produce MXLOCK, but NOT MXSUPERGREY?! I wouldn't have guessed that... Damn... A board of MXSUPERGREY would've been awesome...

I think one would be really tiresome to type on. Or isn't MXSUPERGREY heaviest of them all? Don't think practical use is more than space...
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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 10 June 2012, 18:24:50 »
105cN is only 2 1/3 times as heavy as a red. It would make an awesome clicky tactile board.
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« Reply #41 on: Sat, 16 June 2012, 05:36:46 »
BUMP!!!

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Oh, thanks for letting me know!  I guess I was being daft... I didn't find it on the 1st page -- didn't think to look on the 2nd page.

Now you should find it on the first page!
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« Reply #42 on: Sat, 16 June 2012, 06:16:48 »
I am just too lazy to search, so I'll just ask here. How does the MX Lock work mechanically? I suppose I can't just pop the top of a switch and replace it and that MX Lock requires to be changed completely. Thanks

Edit: Can I change from an MX switch to the MX Loxk just as easily as you change between the usual MX switches? That is my question really.
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« Reply #43 on: Sat, 16 June 2012, 09:18:34 »
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Edit: Can I change from an MX switch to the MX Loxk just as easily as you change between the usual MX switches? That is my question really.

the housings different, you'd need to de-solder.
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« Reply #44 on: Sat, 16 June 2012, 09:27:22 »
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the housings different, you'd need to de-solder.

Thx
The programmable cherry boards would suit it nicely though. Program it to be a 'hold for caps' and that locking key would be interesting. That could also be done for so many key, like insert for instance, to easier see when it is enabled.

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« Reply #45 on: Sat, 16 June 2012, 12:13:08 »
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« Reply #46 on: Sat, 16 June 2012, 12:28:19 »
Current orders:
Code: [Select]
MXBROWN....130
MXCLEAR....203
MXDARKGREY...3
MXGREEN....408
MXGREY.....103
MXLOCK.......1
MXLOCK/NW....2
MXWHITE....103
MXWHITE/NW..25



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« Reply #47 on: Sat, 16 June 2012, 13:07:28 »
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« Reply #48 on: Sat, 16 June 2012, 15:50:06 »
Is anyone able to help me confirm this (taken from the wiki)

MXGREY = Light Grey (grey 39): tactile, Actuation Force 80cN, used for space bar in Cherry Corp keyboards with clears and browns, MX1A-D (Compaq MX 11800), G80-8955HPDUS (POS)
MXWHITE = Clicky switch. Opaque (?) White stem. 80cN activation force. MX1A-A.

Is the MXWHITE actually clicky or tactile?  The wiki says the datasheet says:

MX1A-Momentary single Pole with Tacticle Feel, 80cN Standard, Movement Differential, white keystem

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« Reply #49 on: Sat, 16 June 2012, 15:57:02 »
Whites have essentially the same stem as blues, so it's a clicky switch.