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Offline menuhin

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #300 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 12:39:47 »
I once considered an Atreus because of its ortholinear and natural hand positioning and its compact size. However, I haven't tried a 40% yet and I haven't tried any ortholinear either.

There are Atreus builds out there that remind me of my interest towards it from time to time. Such as this custom bluetooth build:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3sgld5/finished_my_custom_bluetooth_atreus/
« Last Edit: Tue, 01 November 2016, 19:46:45 by menuhin »
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #301 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 19:02:36 »
Oh, and I also wanted to ask if you have any darker woods? I really like darker coloured woods :) and what caps do you think I should get? Should I just get blanks for the bottom row?


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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #302 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 19:03:24 »
I once considered a Atreus because of its ortholinear and natural hand positioning and its compact size. However, I haven't tried a 40% yet and I haven't tried any ortholinear either.

There are Atreus builds out there that remind me of my interest towards it from time to time. Such as this custom bluetooth build:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3sgld5/finished_my_custom_bluetooth_atreus/

I saw that, it's really awesome, truly portable!
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #303 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 19:36:51 »
Oh, and I also wanted to ask if you have any darker woods?

This is the darkest kind I keep in stock. If you put a note in your shipping field about it when you place an order, I'll get you this kind of case: https://www.flickr.com/photos/technomancy/17305142932

Of course you can stain it darker if you prefer too but it's a bit more work: https://www.flickr.com/photos/technomancy/26704975535/

what caps do you think I should get? Should I just get blanks for the bottom row?

Well, you're never going to find labeled caps that work for the bottom row, so if you get legends for the other rows it's going to be hard to find something that matches and looks nice. That's why I recommend blanks all the way.

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #304 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 18:37:19 »
Aha, blanks! I assume dsa and g20 blanks are good for Atreus? What profile goes with it?

I saw this in your photos (I swear I'm not stalking you) https://www.flickr.com/photos/technomancy/30438404270/in/dateposted/ and it looks sooooo good. I really can't wait to get my own. Now I'm just considering what switches to get.
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #305 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 04:36:32 »
Does the partial kit contain everything you need if you bring your own switches and caps? Are there cherry kits still in stock?

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #307 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 18:06:57 »
Just found a variant:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/olkb/comments/5alrtw/my_new_keyboard_a_cross_between_the_planck_and/

okay, I've seen a lot of 60% atreuses but this one tops them all. The layout looks great!
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #309 on: Sat, 05 November 2016, 15:05:10 »
Does the partial kit contain everything you need if you bring your own switches and caps?

Apart from soldering gear and wire trimmers you need wood finishing supplies; I recommend buying spray lacquer but if you have your own preference for how to finish the wood that is fine too. There is sandpaper in the kit.

Are there cherry kits still in stock?

Cherry partial kits are in stock, but not any cherry keycaps or switches. In general everyone who wants a Cherry Atreus has really specific requirements, so it's less of a headache if they source those parts themselves.

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #310 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 15:54:38 »
Hey everybody; just thought I'd let you know that I've added an option for presoldered Atreus kits to the order form.

The process of building a kit with a presoldered board is much easier; the only soldering you need to do is the switches. This is pretty simple to do and takes less than half an hour: https://atreus.technomancy.us/presoldered I'm hoping that this encourages others who might not otherwise feel confident in their soldering ability to build a keyboard.

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #311 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 21:07:29 »
Do you by any chance, sell the PCB separately?

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #312 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 10:36:32 »
Do you by any chance, sell the PCB separately?

Yeah, I can sell it by itself for US$25. If you place an order on the site, just put a note in the shipping field with the specifics, or dm me if you have any other questions. I can sell a presoldered PCB (with the controller and diodes) too if you like.

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #313 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 21:45:03 »


Xpost

Still looks fantastic. I did just opt for the atreus62. But I bring my matias one (not pictured) anytime I travel
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #314 on: Wed, 14 December 2016, 13:35:12 »
Hey Technomancy, I got a couple Atreus kits from you a year ago and really enjoy them, but I wanted to know your thoughts on the best/most practical way for a user to implement bluetooth on one of these.

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #315 on: Thu, 15 December 2016, 11:34:43 »
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Still looks fantastic. I did just opt for the atreus62. But I bring my matias one (not pictured) anytime I travel

How's the layout compared to Planck?
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #316 on: Thu, 15 December 2016, 11:41:05 »
I don't have a planck but I don't think I could do the way the Planck is set up, I need my wrists slightly angled or they hurt. The layout is fully functional and can handle multiple layers fine both momentary and persistant

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #317 on: Sun, 18 December 2016, 11:30:55 »
Figured I should post my Trackpoint Atreus here  :thumb:
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #318 on: Sun, 18 December 2016, 19:53:03 »


Figured I should post my Trackpoint Atreus here  :thumb:

Wow that is really cool, are trackpoints supported in TMK/QMK?

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #319 on: Sun, 18 December 2016, 20:02:32 »


Figured I should post my Trackpoint Atreus here  :thumb:

Wow that is really cool, are trackpoints supported in TMK/QMK?

Kind of, the support is there if you dig into the firmware a bit, but it was pretty easy  :thumb:

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #320 on: Mon, 19 December 2016, 00:52:57 »


Figured I should post my Trackpoint Atreus here  :thumb:

Wow that is really cool, are trackpoints supported in TMK/QMK?

Kind of, the support is there if you dig into the firmware a bit, but it was pretty easy  :thumb:

Love it! Got a build log?
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #321 on: Mon, 19 December 2016, 05:13:31 »
Love it! Got a build log?


Not really, but I have a couple of pictures so I might put something together  :thumb:
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #322 on: Mon, 19 December 2016, 14:21:42 »
Figured I should post my Trackpoint Atreus here  :thumb:
Please post a few pictures of the insides. This is very pretty. How does your layout handle mouse buttons?

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #323 on: Mon, 19 December 2016, 14:55:01 »
Please post a few pictures of the insides. This is very pretty. How does your layout handle mouse buttons?

I'll whip something up during the holidays (Which begins tomorrow for me :) ), thanks for the nice words!


I use this pull request: https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/pull/326, although in QMK.
Basically, whenever I move the cursor the keyboard changes layer for a short while (about 700ms for me), which allows me to but my mouse buttons anywhere I want. This actually works really well.
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #324 on: Tue, 20 December 2016, 08:50:30 »
Usability wise, how does it feel the track point in the middle with respect to the "standard" position?

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #325 on: Wed, 21 December 2016, 03:08:58 »
Usability wise, how does it feel the track point in the middle with respect to the "standard" position?

Try the Thinkpad :D
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #326 on: Wed, 21 December 2016, 07:51:44 »
Figured I should post my Trackpoint Atreus here  :thumb:

I need some more info on this! :D

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #327 on: Wed, 21 December 2016, 07:56:29 »
Usability wise, how does it feel the track point in the middle with respect to the "standard" position?

Try the Thinkpad :D

Well, that was exactly my point I know that the trackpoint in the thinkpad is placed such that you can use it without leaving the home row, but here the hand needs to move a little.

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #328 on: Sat, 31 December 2016, 02:35:24 »
Do you perhaps have any plans of running a groupbuy for the pcb's with everything but switches soldered on?

Im considering launching one with similar properties as the one poster here with the kimera core, if you'll allow that?

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #329 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 19:19:10 »
What's the column staggering like for those of you with small hands? I have frustratingly small hands and was thinking about modifying the Atreus column staggering to be smaller, similar to the Ergodox.

Maybe the column staggering doesn't matter much at all?

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #330 on: Tue, 24 January 2017, 03:00:17 »
What's the column staggering like for those of you with small hands? I have frustratingly small hands and was thinking about modifying the Atreus column staggering to be smaller, similar to the Ergodox.

Maybe the column staggering doesn't matter much at all?

I have very small hands, and I find the atreus much more comfortable that a "normal" staggered layout, reaching the keys is so much easier. Never tried an ergodox though, so I can't compare the two.

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #331 on: Tue, 24 January 2017, 13:32:34 »
What's the column staggering like for those of you with small hands? I have frustratingly small hands and was thinking about modifying the Atreus column staggering to be smaller, similar to the Ergodox.

Maybe the column staggering doesn't matter much at all?

I have very small hands, and I find the atreus much more comfortable that a "normal" staggered layout, reaching the keys is so much easier. Never tried an ergodox though, so I can't compare the two.
Have you tried planck? I'm think about getting a planck :p
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #332 on: Tue, 24 January 2017, 13:46:53 »
What's the column staggering like for those of you with small hands? I have frustratingly small hands and was thinking about modifying the Atreus column staggering to be smaller, similar to the Ergodox.

Maybe the column staggering doesn't matter much at all?

I have very small hands, and I find the atreus much more comfortable that a "normal" staggered layout, reaching the keys is so much easier. Never tried an ergodox though, so I can't compare the two.
Have you tried planck? I'm think about getting a planck :p

Customs got hold of my planck stuff, who knows when I'll get it... I'm probably gonna build it for a friend though since I already have a let's split in the making.

So nope, haven't tried yet, but I'm extremely happy with my atreus, I don't really feel like needing more keys, there are 6 I don't even use :)

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #333 on: Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:03:02 »
Hi,
I'm looking at different small key count options. Are you willing to share your layout?
Thanks

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #334 on: Tue, 24 January 2017, 14:08:54 »
Hi,
I'm looking at different small key count options. Are you willing to share your layout?
Thanks

Here's mine: https://gist.github.com/tomb0y/3aaf8fd3e3bd331346df9a4623000122

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #335 on: Mon, 06 February 2017, 09:36:20 »
G20 Semiotic on Atreus!




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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #336 on: Fri, 17 February 2017, 23:22:06 »
G20 Semiotic on Atreus!

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #337 on: Sat, 18 February 2017, 17:43:12 »
G20 Semiotic on Atreus!

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Curious what made you change your mind, seeing you are selling it?
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #338 on: Thu, 23 February 2017, 07:55:07 »
My understanding is that the plates are 3mm, any concerns with the switches not fully held in place ? I would love to print a 3mm stainless steel plate for my atreus build, the sturdier the better as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #339 on: Thu, 23 February 2017, 08:15:40 »
G20 Semiotic on Atreus!

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Curious what made you change your mind, seeing you are selling it?

Good question! I'm doing my exchange semester in Singapore and I'm a bit tight on the budget. I want to try HHKB, and I can't have them both. Otherwise Atreus is really a nice layout to use on the go, or even when you are sitting at your desk. It's even more comfortable with G20 sets compared to SA because of the angle and height difference. And being ortholinear, and the fact that I can use my right thumb to activate fn layer, it has a really comfortable numpad and symbol access.

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #340 on: Fri, 24 February 2017, 14:10:18 »
G20 Semiotic on Atreus!

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Curious what made you change your mind, seeing you are selling it?

Good question! I'm doing my exchange semester in Singapore and I'm a bit tight on the budget. I want to try HHKB, and I can't have them both. Otherwise Atreus is really a nice layout to use on the go, or even when you are sitting at your desk. It's even more comfortable with G20 sets compared to SA because of the angle and height difference. And being ortholinear, and the fact that I can use my right thumb to activate fn layer, it has a really comfortable numpad and symbol access.
Damn, Singapore! Be sure to go around a lot and have good food! (I'm from Singapore) Thanks for shilling the Atreus, I've always wanted one, just never got around to getting one :/ But Semiotic looks great on wood!
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #341 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 15:25:43 »
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88278.0

Working on a hinged case for this.
I typed this post on my Slanck. I also developed a stronger, cleaner, easier handwiring method.


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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #342 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 15:30:39 »
If anyone is looking for a travel case, this fits really nice: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291765204494


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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #343 on: Thu, 16 March 2017, 16:42:31 »
If anyone is looking for a travel case, this fits really nice: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291765204494

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Nice! That looks like it should fit most small boards quite well.
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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #344 on: Thu, 30 March 2017, 07:19:49 »
I built a stainless steel Atreus using a pre-soldered PCB from technomancy. With Zealios 62g, and Leopold navy blank 1.5mm PBT keycaps. I also have the "stethoscope case" mentioned above.

My daily driver is an Ergodox EZ, but I built the Atreus to be a companion to my Surface Pro 4. Also, I like really heavy keyboards, and the two 1.5mm steel plates add quite a bit of weight, while staying in the realm of "portable". I am contemplating having a CNC milled steel bottom, but that will take the total weight into the 1kg / 2lbs range, and I'm not sure yet it's necessary. As I mentioned, I really like heavy keyboards. My Ergodox EZ outer steel case weights 2kg per half (https://github.com/lucwastiaux/ergodox/tree/master/steel_case)

The typing experience is pretty much what I expected. The steel plate is solid. The noise level is higher than on my EZ with gateron browns, but I think that's expected with the metal not dissipating vibrations as much, and with the open design. I love it though.

Only thing I don't like are the mouse keys. By default, they are quite choppy, nowhere near as smooth as on the Ergodox EZ.






Instructions to build:
https://github.com/technomancy/atreus/tree/master/case/lasergist_steel_plates

The illustrator files are ready to be submitted as-is to Lasergist to make stainless steel plates (Cherry MX version)

Choose the following settings:

    Material: AISI 304 - Shiny
    Thickness: 1.5 mm
    Sandblasting

Upload the two files:

    switch-plate-only.ai
        Overall dimensions: height: 116mm width: 257mm
        Path lengths: 3369mm
    base-plate-only.ai
        Overall dimensions: height: 116mm width: 257mm
        Path lengths: 749mm

The order comes out to about $95 USD, including shipping.

Additionally, you'll need the following hardware:

    8x 14mm long M3 screws, low profile head https://www.mcmaster.com/#93070A071
    8x 8mm long M3 hex nuts https://www.mcmaster.com/#94868A603
    8x M3 small hex nuts https://www.mcmaster.com/#98676A100

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Re: Atreus, a column-staggered 40%
« Reply #345 on: Fri, 31 March 2017, 11:34:56 »
dustpuppy, you're amazing! that looks gorgeous. Thanks for sharing the files too :D
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