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Offline lam47

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« on: Thu, 20 November 2008, 18:02:44 »
My das which I intend to keep despite the rollover problems has one switch that is in-audible.
I wonder if there is a way to fix it without invalidating my warranty.
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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 20 November 2008, 18:20:35 »
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My das which I intend to keep despite the rollover problems has one switch that is in-audible.
I wonder if there is a way to fix it without invalidating my warranty.

Maybe I'm crazy...but how about having it fixed UNDER the existing warranty?  :)

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 20 November 2008, 18:41:55 »
I know what you are saying but will they cover the airmail? I will see what they say in response to my support ticket.
just thought there might be a simple fix.
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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 20 November 2008, 19:52:58 »
Their guarantee at http://www.daskeyboard.com/guarantee.php makes it sound like they will; however, they may not see a single non-clicking blue cherry as a problem.

Of course teh, teh. teh. teh. teh das has no problems
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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 20 November 2008, 20:01:13 »
They probably should, after all it is "the mechanical keyboard that clicks!"
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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 20 November 2008, 20:04:10 »
well they should fix a faulty product as well...
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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 02:52:42 »
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Maybe I'm crazy...but how about having it fixed UNDER the existing warranty?  :)


I agree it just seems a lot simpler to exchange it while you can.

Incidentally it appears Das has almost as many build issues as the M10. After all mine came with a gaping hole in it.

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 05:18:30 »
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well they should fix a faulty product as well...


Has anyone gotten a response from support requests regarding the rollover issue yet?

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 05:22:35 »
No. however I did give the seller a link to the Das thread and explained the problem.
They passed it onto the manufacturer. I got this message from the seller today.

Hi Laurie,
 
so far, it did not get a solution from the manufacturer. They only told
me that they are aware of the issue. Sorry.
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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 05:54:24 »
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so far, it did not get a solution from the manufacturer. They only told
me that they are aware of the issue. Sorry.

An indirect admittance of the issue.  It's a start!  :)

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 05:58:37 »
Lol its small but its something at least.
Im trying to find out if they will cover shipping.
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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 06:08:39 »
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Im trying to find out if they will cover shipping.


they better cover shipping!

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 06:34:38 »
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My das which I intend to keep despite the rollover problems has one switch that is in-audible.
I wonder if there is a way to fix it without invalidating my warranty.

Maybe this will work:

If it's dust, pull the cap, press the key down as far as possible and use a vacuum cleaner. When finished press it several times.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 06:42:26 »
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They probably should, after all it is "the mechanical keyboard that clicks!"


they could get out of it by updating the description: "the mechanical keyboard that clicks! (Your experience may vary)"

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 06:45:20 »
Good idea but it didnt work. Key feels very wrong.
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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 06:57:01 »
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Good idea but it didnt work. Key feels very wrong.


Maybe every time you hit the C key you can just say: "click!"

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 07:10:52 »
Is this still because of the book shelves? ;)
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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 07:15:12 »
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Is this still because of the book shelves? ;)


:D No, although I admit the bookshelves were pretty good ;)

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 12:36:57 »
Seller has agreed to pay shipping.
And will also let me know if the manufacturer comes up with a fix.
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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 13:02:31 »
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Seller has agreed to pay shipping.

excellent!
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And will also let me know if the manufacturer comes up with a fix.

would be nice if we got this kind of service from the manufacturer.

All I got so far in response to the support ticket is an automatic "received your request blah blah".

I guess I'm not holding my breath on metadot, it seems to me if they intended to do anything their response would be more than "we're aware of the problem". It would be more like "we're aware and are working on a fix".

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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 13:07:03 »
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I guess I'm not holding my breath on metadot, it seems to me if they intended to do anything their response would be more than "we're aware of the problem". It would be more like "we're aware and are working on a fix".


the response i got from tech support is that they're aware of the issue and are working on a solution.

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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 13:10:01 »
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and are working on a solution.


really? Wow, I'm impressed.

what could the solution be?
I figure:
-flashing the rom?
-software driver?
-free exchange program?
-recall?
-coupon for X dollars off the purchase of the Das IV?

Personally I'd like to see them give all Das III users who register their board a free upgrade to the Das IV.

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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 13:27:37 »
As someone who works in the retail industry, I am pretty familiar with how these situations work.  Usually, the (original) manufacturer will issue the recall through the retailer (in this case metadot, directly, or some other third party retailer).  The OEM replaces the product at their expense, thus, metadot should not take (much of) a hit financially.  Any shipping costs, etc., will (should) be covered by the OEM.  The retailer might pay for shipping from the consumer back to the retailer, and the OEM, in turn, will reimburse the retailer.  Many times, we also fine our OEMs in these cases as well.  I believe this is to collect some kind of "punative damages" for megatively impacting our brand name.  This scenario was very similar to how the product recalls were handled when China provided tainted wheat for products like dog food.  The company that provided the wheat covered all expenses and was fined quite heavily, among other things.


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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 13:31:43 »
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for megatively impacting our brand name

I like this new word. It should be a word. Its fantastic!
Megative: To be very negative.

:) sorry itlnstln

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 13:32:43 »
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As someone who works in the retail industry, I am pretty familiar with how these situations work.  Usually, the (original) manufacturer will issue the recall through the retailer (in this case metadot, directly, or some other third party retailer).  The OEM replaces the product at their expense, thus, metadot should not take (much of) a hit financially.  Any shipping costs, etc., will (should) be covered by the OEM.  The retailer might pay for shipping from the consumer back to the retailer, and the OEM, in turn, will reimburse the retailer.  Many times, we also fine our OEMs in these cases as well.  I believe this is to collect some kind of "punative damages" for megatively impacting our brand name.  This scenario was very similar to how the product recalls were handled when China provided tainted wheat for products like dog food.  The company that provided the wheat covered all expenses and was fined quite heavily, among other things.



so do you think a recall is what they'll do? As opposed to an exchange program or coupon or driver?

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« Reply #25 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 13:41:46 »
Oh look, I just got this in my email a minute ago:

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|Thank you for your thoughtful input.
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| Yes, we are aware of this issue that you describe and we are currently working on a solution.
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| I have made note of your information and as soon as we have more information I will be sure to inform you via email.
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| In the meantime, if you have and additional questions or concerns please let me know.
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| Thank you,
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| Das Keyboard Support.

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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 13:46:13 »
To the consumer, I think it will look mainly like an exchange program.  Most of I described happens behind the scenes.  While a flash-job would be the most cost-effective solution, I'm not sure how you would flash a keyboard (I would also imagine that logic chips are not flashable but are hardcoded), and it's not like there would be a whole lot of reasons why would want to flash a keyboard since keyboard technology, from a logic standpoint, has pretty much been solidified (which is why this situation is so odd).  A coupon would be an odd choice as you still have users with, basically, useless keyboards.  Giving me 50% off a Das IV doesn't fix my broke-ass Das III.  That, and from Metadot's/a Retailer's perspective, a percent-off coupon sort of lets the OEM off the hook for providing full cost crap.  The OEM needs to own up, recall and replace the defective keyboards, and Metadot needs to push them, not only to correct the current situation, but maintain customer satisfaction and brand reputation.


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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 14:07:56 »
Flashing is highly unlikely.

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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 14:10:11 »
But, possible. There are keyboards that support flashing - but, they're all the programmable variety, and only do it for macros, IIRC.

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 14:14:35 »
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Oh look, I just got this in my email a minute ago:


that's the exact same email i got, word for word.

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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 14:15:07 »
The 3rd party controller I use for my projects is programmable. When you connect it - and the programming software is running - it will d/l the new layout. But no way to access the firmware.

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 14:16:58 »
Unless there's another app for firmware downloads...

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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 14:21:57 »
Got it now. Yes, could be possible.

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 15:33:19 »
I don't know how much success you would get out of trying to have Metadot replace it, I believe they buy the boards from costar.
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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 15:49:04 »
I believe they also make this keyboard:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823224001&Tpk=23-224-001

If anybody has one of these, they might want to check it out to see if shares the same issue as the Das.  Incidently, the ABS keyboard is the Costar model the Das is based on.  They are essentially the same keyboard with, possibly, different switches (Alps instead of Cherries).


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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 16:11:57 »
The ABS was like a Filco? It would be interesting if Filcos have that problem. The Das III is unique with its 12key rollover though.

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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 17:27:27 »
I got the same response. But with this in the middle.

Although we are working to provide a solution quickly, we recognize that you need a working keyboard and  since this is a recent purchase you are welcome to return your keyboard to GetDigital for a full refund.


Im going for a replacement in the hope that the fix comes soon.
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« Reply #37 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 08:41:49 »
Return has stopped clicking now too :(

And the more I look at it the worse it gets.
look how badly its aligned.
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« Reply #38 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 09:33:03 »
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Return has stopped clicking now too

wow.
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look how badly its aligned.

which part? the cable?

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« Reply #39 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 09:35:20 »
No the case. The bottom is bulging out a lot.
Im done with the Das. Im not going to bother with another.
So, need to find a nice blank keyboard!
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« Reply #40 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 10:11:48 »

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« Reply #41 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 10:14:53 »
Also, a black on black topre comes pretty close. You get a funky red escape key too. :)

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« Reply #42 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 10:15:25 »
Or, call Unicomp, and ask for a black keyboard with black keys without legends. IIRC, it's a $10 upcharge, but they'll do it.

(They won't do black keys with legends, because they can't embed the legends in the keys, apparently, and the legends wear off.)

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« Reply #43 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 10:16:14 »
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No the case. The bottom is bulging out a lot.
Im done with the Das. Im not going to bother with another.
So, need to find a nice blank keyboard!


If you want a full-sized keyboard, I believe Unicomp will sell you a customizer or spacesaver with blank, black keycaps.

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« Reply #44 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 10:23:00 »
Unicomp spacesaver sounds like a good idea.
I will have a look at the shipping charges.

Thanks for all the help guys.
I dont want to paint one really.
I do quite a lot of spraying but wouldn't feel right desecrating a model M.
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« Reply #45 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 10:59:20 »
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Unicomp spacesaver sounds like a good idea..


BS over cherries then?  :)

My M hasnt arrived yet, I'm looking forward to the comparo...

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« Reply #46 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 11:20:38 »
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No the case. The bottom is bulging out a lot.


my das is the same way.

if it will make you feel any better, my realforce which costs more than twice as much has poor shell alignment and the printing on the keycaps have glaringly obvious font inconsistencies.  i've seen $5 keyboards with higher quality looking keys.

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« Reply #47 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 11:36:52 »
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The bottom is bulging out a lot.


I know I've mentioned the case edges not lining up on the Cherry boards I own but this is much worse. At least on the Cherry boards it's the top half that's slightly larger so you don't really see it.

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if it will make you feel any better, my realforce which costs more than twice as much has poor shell alignment and the printing on the keycaps have glaringly obvious font inconsistencies.


Thanks for pointing this out.

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« Reply #48 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 11:59:07 »
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BS over cherries then?  :)

My M hasnt arrived yet, I'm looking forward to the comparo...


Oh yeah. Sigh. I will keep looking then.
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« Reply #49 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 12:01:28 »
Das keycaps on a Scorpius M10?

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« Reply #50 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 12:38:28 »
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if it will make you feel any better, my realforce which costs more than twice as much has poor shell alignment and the printing on the keycaps have glaringly obvious font inconsistencies.  i've seen $5 keyboards with higher quality looking keys.

I have to say that as far as build quality goes, I have seen no keyboard that compares to the Filco 'boards I've seen in person (and I owned a Filco "mini" at one point).  They are the gold standard for fit and finish as far as I'm concerned.

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« Reply #51 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 12:38:35 »
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Das keycaps on a Scorpius M10?


buy both, swap the keys, and they wont notice? ;)

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« Reply #52 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 12:57:09 »
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I have to say that as far as build quality goes, I have seen no keyboard that compares to the Filco 'boards I've seen in person (and I owned a Filco "mini" at one point).  They are the gold standard for fit and finish as far as I'm concerned.


I would like to check out a Filco 'board if only to see its build quality and materials.  I know that of the keyboards I own, the Northgate is top notch in quality construction with very little silkscreen, mostly steel, and two-color plastic molded keycaps (the keycaps are an engineering marvel).  The Model Ms are very well constructed, and so is my MS Natural 4000 (other than the matte finish smoothing out on the keycaps, but the silkscreening on the keys have not shown any signs of wearing off; it's a shame this is a rubber dome 'board as I really like it otherwise).


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« Reply #53 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 13:10:07 »
This puts me off getting a Filco. I want to be able to take it apart easily if I ever need to replace the switches.

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« Reply #54 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 14:11:33 »
Of course, they would've done that to reduce production costs... screws take a lot of time to screw in when you're mass producing something.

Also, I'm typing this post on my Unicomp board... it seems a fair bit quieter than my 1391401.

I think I'm going to get my hands on a Das, just to see what the hype is about... and Micro Center's got some other deals I'm interested in, so...

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« Reply #55 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 14:13:29 »
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Also, I'm typing this post on my Unicomp board... it seems a fair bit quieter than my 1391401.

with the endurapro i used to have though I felt the bottoming out clack was much louder than on the original M boards... but you're right that the springs were quieter (thinner? the key action was lighter).

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« Reply #56 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 14:15:23 »
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Oh yeah. Sigh. I will keep looking then.


the other thing I didnt like about the das was how easily it scratched. The black piano finish was almost impossible to keep scratch free.

The M10 doesnt have that problem with a hard matte finish (but of course its also not as pretty).

I'm still totally in love with the M10 by the way. Such a pleasure to type on compared with my previous best membrane board.

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« Reply #57 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 14:15:25 »
Well, there's an answer to that problem. ;) (The bottoming out noise, that is.)

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« Reply #58 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 14:23:59 »
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The black piano finish was almost impossible to keep scratch free.

How is the piano finish done? Is it paint or perspex/acrylic glass?

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« Reply #59 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 14:25:41 »
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How is the piano finish done? Is it paint or perspex/acrylic glass?


I'm not a 100% sure, but it didnt feel like paint. I think it was some kind of plastic. Maybe lam can tell.

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« Reply #60 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 14:26:16 »
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Well, there's an answer to that problem. ;) (The bottoming out noise, that is.)


:) I suppose. Old habits are hard to break though.

do you find the key action is lighter on the unicomp (as compared to the 139)?

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« Reply #61 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 14:31:51 »
The key action is definitely lighter, although it's somewhat uneven on mine. Left Alt barely even clicks, and is EXTREMELY light. (Hmm, they could make a board full of those springs, and sell it as a light-touch work-safe version. :p)

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« Reply #62 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 14:48:20 »
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The key action is definitely lighter, although it's somewhat uneven on mine. Left Alt barely even clicks, and is EXTREMELY light. (Hmm, they could make a board full of those springs, and sell it as a light-touch work-safe version. :p)


when I buy my unicomp (which eventually I will for the shorter spacebar)) I think i'll swap both keycaps and springs from the 139 onto it. Both feel more substantive to me on the 139.

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« Reply #63 on: Sat, 22 November 2008, 16:14:43 »
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I'm not a 100% sure, but it didnt feel like paint. I think it was some kind of plastic. Maybe lam can tell.


Yeah its just plastic. You could use a plastic polish (like tcut but made for plastics) Its a soft plastic which is why it scratches so easy. Its not quite the quality of the plastic on say a PS3.

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