Post by: donutcat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 17:49:05
Setting a halfway firm launch date of late July for launching this. Should be a nice break from purple between now and then and be the nice break the set needs to get all the support it can.
Update 4-14-18
Due to the keyset congestion at the moment as well as delays on GMK's end, we're temporarily putting this set on hold until there's a period of fewer sets running, especially those in similar colorspaces.
Update 3-27-18
Current kit mockups can be seen at https://imgur.com/a/XoUNe
An album of renders can be found at https://imgur.com/a/6psTi
More
Update 3-11-18
https://imgur.com/gallery/gdyfN
Some lovely full renders by amnesia to really get the hype flowing
Update 3-8-18
These are the mockups for the various kits at this point in time:
(https://i.imgur.com/QCA1jCe.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QCA1jCe.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/H3mG9vB.png) (https://i.imgur.com/H3mG9vB.png)
AE Mods Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/ndZhnah.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ndZhnah.png)
Spacebars Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/5blhohU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5blhohU.png)
40% Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/4aZGdT2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/4aZGdT2.png)
Novelties Kit - Blank keys are placeholders for wip designs
Hopefully we'll be looking to get GMK mockups and initial quotes early next week.
Update 3-1-18
Created a new IC form to focus on kit design since we had pretty outstanding colorway support
Form link - https://donutcables.com/gmk-neon-gelatin-evangelism-ic/
Backup link(mostly for mobile) - https://goo.gl/forms/G48DEmhNUjKm4uOT2
Imgur album of current kits - https://imgur.com/a/AvjfB
https://imgur.com/gallery/gdyfN
Some lovely full renders by amnesia to really get the hype flowing
Update 3-8-18
These are the mockups for the various kits at this point in time:
(https://i.imgur.com/QCA1jCe.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QCA1jCe.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/H3mG9vB.png) (https://i.imgur.com/H3mG9vB.png)
AE Mods Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/ndZhnah.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ndZhnah.png)
Spacebars Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/5blhohU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5blhohU.png)
40% Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/4aZGdT2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/4aZGdT2.png)
Novelties Kit - Blank keys are placeholders for wip designs
Hopefully we'll be looking to get GMK mockups and initial quotes early next week.
Update 3-1-18
Created a new IC form to focus on kit design since we had pretty outstanding colorway support
Form link - https://donutcables.com/gmk-neon-gelatin-evangelism-ic/
Backup link(mostly for mobile) - https://goo.gl/forms/G48DEmhNUjKm4uOT2
Imgur album of current kits - https://imgur.com/a/AvjfB
(https://i.imgur.com/nmyKD8w.png) (https://i.imgur.com/nmyKD8w.png)
Nicknamed GMK "shinji, get in the ****ing robot". It's green, it's purple, and it's most likely less psychologically traumatizing than its namesake.
A collab between myself and sir amnesia0287 on the Discord, we bring you what is currently monotone AE on DY, mostly because it's a neat color combination but also because we can have a good excuse to use the available sublegends with this particular inspirational material. We will be looking to add at least AE accent keys for Esc, Enters, Spacebars, and Arrows in the future, as well as some appropriate novelty designs that I'm sure you'll enjoy. There's also a possibility of some orange accent keys, but we'll need to evaluate the price drawbacks of adding a third color to the set.
Let me know what you think. If you're going to just comment something like "ugly", maybe please add some constructive criticism so I have the chance to improve.
Turns out I forgot to post a link to the actual IC form :| Find it at https://donutcables.com/gmk-neon-gelatin-evangelism-ic/ or if you're having issues on mobile find it at https://goo.gl/forms/svhE5y7DWILk2qeo2 .
Also, I've updated the mockup to reflect some current accent key inclusions
Post by: xondat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 17:54:35
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 18:10:31
(https://i.imgur.com/qRXR5Gq.png) (https://i.imgur.com/qRXR5Gq.png)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 18:12:11
Post by: Jhors2 on Sat, 24 February 2018, 18:35:07
Post by: a_ak57 on Sat, 24 February 2018, 18:48:39
Post by: p_blaze on Sat, 24 February 2018, 18:49:26
Post by: Sissy on Sat, 24 February 2018, 18:52:01
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 24 February 2018, 19:08:26
Looks like Troubled Minds, I'm sure there will be a good amount of crossover there.
my thought as well
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 24 February 2018, 19:12:40
Instead of doing AE accent keys, maybe go with an orange to mimic the 01's actual accents? Though I guess that may invoke a Spyro look instead.
We are definitely considering orange, have already started testing it too, the problem is when you add 3 colors costs go up. Trying to figure out what the best option is. The green accents keep it cheap.
Unit 01 is actually more green than orange anyway:
(https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/square_small/9/99864/2407962-evangelion_unit_01__rebuild_.png)
That said, Evangelion isn't really the inspiration for me anyway, it's just the first thing people think of. Basically I was talking to donutcat about other sets I want cause I <3 weeb legends, and the one idea wouldnt work cause of current timing, so i suggested purple and green cause I like anything purple and donutcat likes green and the colors go well together imo.
I have also had the colors stuck in my head for a while though, and it's not from Eva, but I haven't quite pinned down what it reminds me of. My old constructicon toys were also the same colors (purple green orange) but I don't think that's it either. I think maybe it's just the horrible 90's colors in general (and it IS a standard Triadic color scheme):
(https://i.imgur.com/TD0ZxFz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/C3YvYkN.jpg)
Now, I don't mind leaning into the eva theme, because it is what people will recognize, but It's not a must have/ deal breaker for me. I'm pretty simple as all i use are 60/65%, so I'm not super hung up on anything, so if people have preference for certain things, certain keys, specific legends or modifiers, etc, just say so.
Full purple not for me, something more in line with Troubled Minds with a more Eva theme color palet then I'm sold.
Donutcat prefers the simpler look of mostly purple, it also helps keep costs down, my actual preference is something like this:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401920504027545603/417085465867321345/1234567890-3D_2018-Feb-24_10-26-34PM-000_CustomizedView19684608021.png)
(Still creating keps and then ill fix alignment and then fix symbols. Also think i'd probably change the orange keys to have purple legends, i just was playing).
The question is can it be done cost effectively, is there enough interest for something so loud, etc. If there are tons of people interested in doing it, I'm all for the super loud eye melting sets. I love bright sets and there are already plenty of options for more muted things (i like those too). I mean ****, if there are enough people we could actually do custom colors and get a more saturated green :P. But I think that's wishful thinking really.
The other problem is that gets closer to troubled minds and I don't really wanna step on anyones toes. All I really care about is green weeb legends on purple alphas, ill take whatever other changes people want :P.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 24 February 2018, 19:15:55
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 19:42:59
Oh also, while it would be much more of a pipe dream, I think doing transparent purple with the green legends could be really cool, but custom color thus 250 moq.
Need pics because that sounds super dope.
Post by: ArchDill on Sat, 24 February 2018, 19:44:18
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 24 February 2018, 20:18:12
Oh also, while it would be much more of a pipe dream, I think doing transparent purple with the green legends could be really cool, but custom color thus 250 moq.
Need pics because that sounds super dope.
Maybe R2 :P. I think doing a full trans set is gonna be a lot harder than other options. Gotta wait for GMK to actually produce some keys and see how they look too. I wanna see how the laser ones turn out first.
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 20:33:25
(https://i.imgur.com/9er5J03.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9er5J03.png)
Post by: Dead Encryption on Sat, 24 February 2018, 20:48:52
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 21:32:01
This set is going to be dope as ****. Please make it happen cappin! Also, don't forget to add Green Spacebar Kit!
Poking at a spacebar kit currently, as well as a 40% kit since there seems to be noticeable interest in that.
Post by: d0thead on Sat, 24 February 2018, 21:43:39
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 24 February 2018, 21:46:30
I love the colors! Will there be a hiragana legend without the Latin option? And if so would it be possible to make an icon mod set to go with it?
Need a LOT of people interested to do hiragana set. I actually prefer hiragana myself, but I'm also totally aware that it's less popular. The hybrid set is much more likely to succeed.
Oh, and at least personally I don't really care what modifier set is used, as long as it's NOT text only. Standard, Icons Only, Custom Icons, etc are all good with me tho.
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 22:21:54
I love the colors! Will there be a hiragana legend without the Latin option? And if so would it be possible to make an icon mod set to go with it?
Due to the constraints of running a set through a private vendor and the unfortunate fact that private vendors usually have difficulties moving sets with too many options, I'm opting to keep the available kit contents fairly simply. Dual legends for the alphas so they're accessible for both those that want latin and those that want hiragana. Sticking with a single mod kit, icons+text, though there is the chance of adding in more accents and some novelties to gowith the single mod set. There will be a spacebars kit for green "normal" size spacebars as well as green and purple split spacebars. I'm currently working on setting up a 40% kit for both stagger and ortho boards and I'm hoping to have a mockup available for input soon since I'm not familiar with smaller boards and will likely need to make adjustments. Finally, there'll be a blanks pack to assist in covering those hard to fill layouts, or for someone just looking to have a ballin blanks setup.
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 23:51:15
This is the proposed 40% kit currently. I believe I've got coverage there for most 40% needs, but let me know if it needs adjusting.
Post by: audax989 on Sun, 25 February 2018, 01:09:16
have you considered talking to thesiscamper about this?
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 25 February 2018, 01:16:54
Post by: exitfire401 on Sun, 25 February 2018, 01:18:03
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Sun, 25 February 2018, 01:19:32
Post by: SolidCactus on Sun, 25 February 2018, 06:26:42
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 25 February 2018, 07:25:56
Otherwise, +1 for unicolored sets, there needs to be more of them.
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 25 February 2018, 10:09:06
Keep in mind that the UK alphas with weeb sublegends don't exist yet, so those will need some molding cost paid for.
Otherwise, +1 for unicolored sets, there needs to be more of them.
That's fine, I'm willing to do a couple molds if it helps compatibility out now and in the future. And yes, unicolor/monotone sets are just so clean looking, especially on layouts like 75%/96key that don't have gaps, it's just continuous smooth color.
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 25 February 2018, 11:37:29
(https://i.imgur.com/RPHreLC.png) (https://i.imgur.com/RPHreLC.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/A1sfDaF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/A1sfDaF.png)
Spacebars Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/vlO5jtL.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vlO5jtL.png)
40% Kit
Mostly looking for feedback on the 40% kit since i don't know much about the layout requirements for smaller boards.
Post by: mgsickler on Sun, 25 February 2018, 13:58:07
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Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 25 February 2018, 14:57:07
Show Image
Show Image
This is what I've got for working kits currently
(https://i.imgur.com/RPHreLC.png) (https://i.imgur.com/RPHreLC.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/A1sfDaF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/A1sfDaF.png)
Spacebars Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/vlO5jtL.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vlO5jtL.png)
40% Kit
Mostly looking for feedback on the 40% kit since i don't know much about the layout requirements for smaller boards.
check the 9009 40's kit
also, i don't know if vendor numbers will be good enough for a 40% kit, but i guess you'd know better than i would
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 25 February 2018, 15:29:06
Show ImageShow ImageThis is what I've got for working kits currently
(https://i.imgur.com/RPHreLC.png) (https://i.imgur.com/RPHreLC.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/A1sfDaF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/A1sfDaF.png)
Spacebars Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/vlO5jtL.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vlO5jtL.png)
40% Kit
Mostly looking for feedback on the 40% kit since i don't know much about the layout requirements for smaller boards.
check the 9009 40's kit
also, i don't know if vendor numbers will be good enough for a 40% kit, but i guess you'd know better than i would
That is what we used lol. There are blanks separate for planks and the space bars are in the spacebar kit, but this should provide decent coverage for most of the other boards. Even added a 1.5 enter for pearl :P.
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Sun, 25 February 2018, 15:29:47
Post by: Chromatrope on Sun, 25 February 2018, 16:03:00
Oh also, while it would be much more of a pipe dream, I think doing transparent purple with the green legends could be really cool, but custom color thus 250 moq.
I never knew I wanted this
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 25 February 2018, 16:36:13
Got this for a bit of an updated 40% kit after poking around with the 9009 kit. If we did the AE mods kit then I'd also have to dupe some of these keys so they'd also be AE.
In other news, whoever this is
(https://i.imgur.com/cm6wgAA.png) (https://i.imgur.com/cm6wgAA.png)
please get ahold of me, I don't have any way to know who you are just from the form submission.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 26 February 2018, 12:41:43
Proposed AE Mods Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/E80N02p.png) (https://i.imgur.com/E80N02p.png)
Updated 40% Kit, based off the 9009 40% kit but now with added AE mods.
Let me know your thoughts on these. 40% will be whittled back down a little if the AE mods kit doesn't happen. Currently working on novelty designs after receiving design requirements from GMK.
Also let me know thoughts on the AE mods kit. More kits for neat **** is nice, but also makes a bit of a harder sale sometimes(ala Royal Alpha). Right now we're at 4 with Base, Spacebars, AE Mods, and 40%, but I've still a blanks pack in the works as well that I'm not completely sold on either. This could actually end up happening relatively soon since after Red Samurai ends there'll be a bit of a lul in GMK, and it's right after taxes for lots of people.
Post by: SolidCactus on Mon, 26 February 2018, 12:49:53
Post by: aznreaper on Mon, 26 February 2018, 13:26:24
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 26 February 2018, 16:34:08
I would prefer green mods, and potentially a green spacebar in the original kit if you're only doing green accents
AE spacebars in the base could happen, but I'd probably have to move the 6u spacebars to the spacebar pack instead in order to have 6.25u and 7u AE spacebars since 8 spacebars in the base kit would be way too many.
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Mon, 26 February 2018, 17:06:16
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 26 February 2018, 17:25:07
Looking at this, you'd need both the spacebars kit and the 40% kit to actually cover a 40%
That’s true, but if you put them in the 40s kit, then all split spacebar users are forced to buy the more expensive 40s kit just for spacebars.
I’d argue that 40s are more niche than split space.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 26 February 2018, 17:27:03
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 February 2018, 17:32:22
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Mon, 26 February 2018, 17:39:56
Wait, do you honestly think that? How big is the split space community? I rarely EVER see boards with split space EXCEPT for 40%s.Looking at this, you'd need both the spacebars kit and the 40% kit to actually cover a 40%
That’s true, but if you put them in the 40s kit, then all split spacebar users are forced to buy the more expensive 40s kit just for spacebars.
I’d argue that 40s are more niche than split space.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 26 February 2018, 18:33:27
Wait, do you honestly think that? How big is the split space community? I rarely EVER see boards with split space EXCEPT for 40%s.Looking at this, you'd need both the spacebars kit and the 40% kit to actually cover a 40%
That’s true, but if you put them in the 40s kit, then all split spacebar users are forced to buy the more expensive 40s kit just for spacebars.
I’d argue that 40s are more niche than split space.
I'm personally an advocate of proper spacebar usage, but I have seen 60% and I think 75% boards that support split bars. An easy solution would be split spaces in both the spacebars kit and the 40% kit, but then there may be complaints due to the price increase.
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Mon, 26 February 2018, 18:36:05
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 February 2018, 18:41:58
i wouldn't say no to a purple on green set either.
Post by: P1kas on Mon, 26 February 2018, 18:48:29
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 26 February 2018, 22:23:25
Post by: P1kas on Tue, 27 February 2018, 07:53:07
Post by: TelFiRE on Tue, 27 February 2018, 11:39:08
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 February 2018, 16:35:36
Post by: Anaconda on Tue, 27 February 2018, 20:58:04
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 February 2018, 21:25:13
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 28 February 2018, 17:44:45
(https://i.imgur.com/XErTitp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/XErTitp.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/ZCWFhux.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ZCWFhux.png)
AE Mods Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/n5vdNKI.png) (https://i.imgur.com/n5vdNKI.png)
Spacebars Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/SGLK0C0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/SGLK0C0.png)
40% Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/ndwzQiW.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ndwzQiW.png)
Novelties Kit
The blanks are placeholders currently since there's no way afaik to add custom images to KLE. I'm expecting a single R1 design and one or two R4 designs to be distributed across the sizes. Orange accents are included in the novelties kit since the third color price jump will have less effect on a smaller kit.
Post by: Dead Encryption on Thu, 01 March 2018, 01:12:15
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 01 March 2018, 14:35:59
Form link - https://donutcables.com/gmk-neon-gelatin-evangelism-ic/
Backup link(mostly for mobile) - https://goo.gl/forms/G48DEmhNUjKm4uOT2
Imgur album of current kits - https://imgur.com/a/AvjfB
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 01 March 2018, 15:27:01
Created a new IC form to focus on kit design since we had pretty outstanding colorway support
Form link - https://donutcables.com/gmk-neon-gelatin-evangelism-ic/
Backup link(mostly for mobile) - https://goo.gl/forms/G48DEmhNUjKm4uOT2
Imgur album of current kits - https://imgur.com/a/AvjfB
chuck the R4C stuff into the spacebar kit
aside from that, looks good to me
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 01 March 2018, 16:07:50
chuck the R4C stuff into the spacebar kit
aside from that, looks good to me
I've had specific complaints about not having planck spacebars in the 40% kit, so I'll let popularity decide who wins that one.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 01 March 2018, 16:18:22
chuck the R4C stuff into the spacebar kit
aside from that, looks good to me
I've had specific complaints about not having planck spacebars in the 40% kit, so I'll let popularity decide who wins that one.
fair
i'd do it that way so that people are more likely to buy both kits, but i'm kinda weird with kit design
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 01 March 2018, 16:34:51
chuck the R4C stuff into the spacebar kit
aside from that, looks good to me
I've had specific complaints about not having planck spacebars in the 40% kit, so I'll let popularity decide who wins that one.
fair
i'd do it that way so that people are more likely to buy both kits, but i'm kinda weird with kit design
Buying more kits would be good, but I don't really want people to feel like I'm splitting off useful components just to get more kits sold. While other 40% layouts can utilize the spacebars form the base kit, the planck is one of the few that absolutely cannot, so I don't want to make it seem like a rather widespread layout, otherwise well supported, is being gypped in this aspect.
Post by: Wazazaby on Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:03:17
Post by: avid on Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:12:25
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:26:04
This is one of my favourite sets this year. Is there any ETA when you plan to run this? After GMK forge/happy?
Right now I have a soft target GB start date of early-mid April.
Post by: Muffin_Smasher on Sat, 03 March 2018, 03:33:13
Post by: leasonchi on Sun, 04 March 2018, 21:47:44
BTW I'm a big fan of EVA as well~ ;D
I used to designed plans of 00 01 02~
(http://wx3.sinaimg.cn/large/6c566515gy1fp1sm6d8kjj20ia06xgmf.jpg)
(http://wx3.sinaimg.cn/large/6c566515gy1fp1sm9yoyjj20j0076mxy.jpg)
(http://wx2.sinaimg.cn/large/6c566515gy1fp1sm6h4plj20i2074wfa.jpg)
Post by: P1kas on Sun, 04 March 2018, 22:24:26
In any case, I much prefer green legends and green japanese to what was proposed.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 05 March 2018, 02:37:17
I don't think GMK can do triple shot legends for black japanese, green legends, and purple base.
In any case, I much prefer green legends and green japanese to what was proposed.
Yeah, no triple shots. I have discussed possibly adding black to the novelty kit just for a few accents as there is probably more black on eva than orange anyway. The downside is increasing costs, but I personally think it could be worth it.
Maybe something like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Xb3BS8l.png)
(the font may be too small for the actual word "EMERGENCY" to fit so we may change it to like ESC or ERROR or something shorter just cause limits of how small you can go with doubleshot).
We will probably wait until we have some idea what our pricing is gonna look like before we make any real choices about stuff like that though.
I'm still working on modeling the rest of the keycaps so i can render a full board and I've been working with donut on some novelties, though still bouncing ideas around.
If anyone has any specific ideas for novelties, let me know. I can manage my way around illustrator well enough, but I just haven't found anything that I really wanna add yet. Part of where I'm torn is how niche to get and how direct the references should be. I for one kinda like less obvious things like icons/symbols and ux stuff from the show as it will appeal to more people and can potentially be reused, but I know some people would prefer more obvious things like eva heads (I have tried a few but nothing quite worked yet once i started simplifying for keycaps) and angels and such. Just post your ideas here or find photos or shoot me a PM or w/e. I'll gladly take a crack at anything.
Post by: Rumblehotep on Tue, 06 March 2018, 12:08:36
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 06 March 2018, 12:50:38
With those green and orange mods this went from neato to guess I'm getting another keyset
Agreed. The orange really pops the whole set - nice job! I'd suggest getting an all-in render of the base + mods + orange pops to show the ultimate setup. Even if your intent is to have a mono-set, the purple/green/orange looks too snazzy to not show off and generate interest.
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 06 March 2018, 14:30:15
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 06 March 2018, 18:11:09
Comprehensive renders are on the way. Amnesia is doing all the renders himself, and as it turns out there's a bit of a learning curve for both the caps and the unique legends.
With the cap models it's mostly just time consuming, I know they just look like 3d shapes with letters on them, but they are actually modelled as "doubleshot" so the legend is actually a physical insert into the keycap and not just text printed on top. Especially with like modifiers and some of the multi part weeb characters, it takes a a bit to cut the parts all out.
I finally finished up the project I was hung up on at work, so I should have more time this week.
I'm gonna start with HHKB and maybe 65%, but I'll eventually have the models for all the keys. I just am not looking forward to TKL/Numpad clusters cause its a ton of legends to get >_< and I am 100% a compact layout user.
Upside is once I have the models, they can be reused with any colors so it will be much much faster to test things when the models are created.
I also plan to take a crack with blender to see if we can get some cleaner renders. Maybe someday I'll even buy keyshot or cinema4d or something that can do quality renders :P.
But once it's up and running I plan to render like every combination I can think of, since it's just swapping colors and queuing renders from there. I just sent out the rows I had to donut cause it's 100x better looking than the KLE.
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 06 March 2018, 18:29:05
A the risk of tooting my own trumpet, my layout pic was quite quick to do with a little kle-render and photoshopping but I think it gives you a good idea of what to expect within the confines of the set's concept.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 06 March 2018, 18:41:58
I was thinking you could just throw it through kle-render, colour the background, and immediately it'll give you a good idea of the range. You can do a bunch of layouts if you want, but so far no image actually shows all the mods and sparkle in one place, even as a proof of concept.
A the risk of tooting my own trumpet, my layout pic was quite quick to do with a little kle-render and photoshopping but I think it gives you a good idea of what to expect.
Yeah, but my goal is to be able to correctly render caps in boards. So it's not like it's throwaway work.
My issue with KLE Render is the colors aren't right and also I don't believe it supports weeb legends, which means it just renders boxes for all of them.
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 06 March 2018, 18:50:57
Good luck with your renders, the samples so far are looking great!
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 07 March 2018, 03:44:20
Yeah, it's a little limited. Still, showing the colour combos together in the meantime would help show off the design a little.
Good luck with your renders, the samples so far are looking great!
If you just wanted to see the colors you shoulda said so, that I can do:
(https://i.imgur.com/a1ee0b4.png)(https://i.imgur.com/CltfzRt.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/P3SxYlb.png)(https://i.imgur.com/qvnRceX.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/spneILl.png)(https://i.imgur.com/foJMaJ2.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/TJ06JQl.png)
I didn't make these models. The board is something being worked on by Quantastrophus (though not in these colors :P). I'm working on getting all the different double shot legends modeled and figuring out how to do higher quality renders. These were done kind of carelessly, so the lighting isnt great and the alignment is off and stuff, but you can see the colors together :P
Post by: Valaris on Wed, 07 March 2018, 08:10:29
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:06:27
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 08 March 2018, 13:17:46
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 08 March 2018, 14:52:36
(https://i.imgur.com/QCA1jCe.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QCA1jCe.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/H3mG9vB.png) (https://i.imgur.com/H3mG9vB.png)
AE Mods Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/ndZhnah.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ndZhnah.png)
Spacebars Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/5blhohU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5blhohU.png)
40% Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/4aZGdT2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/4aZGdT2.png)
Novelties Kit - Blank keys are placeholders for wip designs
Hopefully we'll be looking to get GMK mockups and initial quotes early next week.
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:00:08
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These are the mockups for the various kits at this point in time:
(https://i.imgur.com/QCA1jCe.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QCA1jCe.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/H3mG9vB.png) (https://i.imgur.com/H3mG9vB.png)
AE Mods Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/ndZhnah.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ndZhnah.png)
Spacebars Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/5blhohU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5blhohU.png)
40% Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/4aZGdT2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/4aZGdT2.png)
Novelties Kit - Blank keys are placeholders for wip designs
Hopefully we'll be looking to get GMK mockups and initial quotes early next week.
Fvk yas! Stoked on this!
Post by: Geek Maker on Thu, 08 March 2018, 18:50:02
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 08 March 2018, 20:04:50
Post by: sth on Thu, 08 March 2018, 20:23:00
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
angels > joker
or would it be gendo > joker? adam > joker?
"When in doubt, buy both" :P
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 08 March 2018, 20:24:12
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
same
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 08 March 2018, 21:50:30
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
You didn't seem against it when you offered to do renders in return for a set. And it's not like I can tell what he posts on IG since he has me blocked. Besides, a GMK Troubled Minds will no doubt use color matching and appeal to everyone who wants Troubled Minds instead of this set.
Post by: sth on Thu, 08 March 2018, 22:08:18
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
You didn't seem against it when you offered to do renders in return for a set. And it's not like I can tell what he posts on IG since he has me blocked. Besides, a GMK Troubled Minds will no doubt use color matching and appeal to everyone who wants Troubled Minds instead of this set.
LOL
thread drama increased... keep it up and i might be in for 2 sets
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 08 March 2018, 22:14:08
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
How does this small different set jeopardize a massive MD group buy? Did you happen to read my posts, or did you just jump in at the end?
I love thesiscamper's work, and I will totally buy GMK Troubled Minds if it ever comes to pass (though I'm not a huge fan of the SP colors) and my kira60 is one of my favorite boards, but unless I'm missing something, the only time he ever really posted anything serious was almost 2 years ago. And then like yesterday AFTER we started this IC. And his only mention was that he MIGHT do it and then only after SA TM runs again which itself is likely a few months out. Its totally possible I missed something, but I did try and find any mention of it being a real and/or confirmed thing, but I was never able to find it.
It's also not like anyone of us invented the 4 major tertiary color schemes (the biggest two that most people know are RGB and CMY, the other 2 are Violet, Orange and Spring Green and then Azure, Chartreuse and Rose. Unfortunately because of the particular versions of orange green and purple that are available in GMKs standard color palette, I feel like this is the only green purple orange combination that can really work. I'd love to have the popularity and pull to run a more balanced set with custom color in one of the inversions, but I'm realistic to know the best chance to get a set like this made is standard colors.
This entire set started cause I was talking to donut about some of the green sets I wanted, and the first one wouldnt work now, then I said, what about green and purple, and he wasn't keen, so I sent him a render of the first row of keys and he was into it.I was actually literally considering waiting until my bonus the end of this year and running the entire set out of pocket just so I could have it, so when donut said he would try it, that seemed preferable.
I've been making a LOT of effort to not step on anyones toes. I don't even really want a novelty kit, but people asked, so I have been trying, but anything I come up with is too close to thesis' work and so I scrap it. TBH if he wanted to do novelties and get all the credit and whatnot, I'm fine with that, I of course can't speak for donut, but I don't give 2 ****s about credit. My only goal is to get purple keys with green japanese legends without waiting years to get it. I also want standard colors so it's compatible with my other sets.
Either way though, lets be real here, there is no way this is gonna do even close to the sales a GMK TM would do on MD if it ever ran. And because of that, there is very little chance that it would EVER "jeapardize" TM.
Anyway, I'm really not trying to be inflammatory, so I hope that's not how it seems. I just really like bright keycaps and this is probably my favorite of the 4 major tertiary color schemes (though cmy is also up there).
Post by: sth on Thu, 08 March 2018, 22:17:54
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
How does this small different set jeopardize a massive MD group buy? Did you happen to read my posts, or did you just jump in at the end?
I love thesiscamper's work, and I will totally buy GMK Troubled Minds if it ever comes to pass (though I'm not a huge fan of the SP colors) and my kira60 is one of my favorite boards, but unless I'm missing something, the only time he ever really posted anything serious was almost 2 years ago. And then like yesterday AFTER we started this IC. And his only mention was that he MIGHT do it and then only after SA TM runs again which itself is likely a few months out. Its totally possible I missed something, but I did try and find any mention of it being a real and/or confirmed thing, but I was never able to find it.
It's also not like anyone of us invented the 4 major tertiary color schemes (the biggest two that most people know are RGB and CMY, the other 2 are Violet, Orange and Spring Green and then Azure, Chartreuse and Rose. Unfortunately because of the particular versions of orange green and purple that are available in GMKs standard color palette, I feel like this is the only green purple orange combination that can really work. I'd love to have the popularity and pull to run a more balanced set with custom color in one of the inversions, but I'm realistic to know the best chance to get a set like this made is standard colors.
This entire set started cause I was talking to donut about some of the green sets I wanted, and the first one wouldnt work now, then I said, what about green and purple, and he wasn't keen, so I sent him a render of the first row of keys and he was into it.I was actually literally considering waiting until my bonus the end of this year and running the entire set out of pocket just so I could have it, so when donut said he would try it, that seemed preferable.
I've been making a LOT of effort to not step on anyones toes. I don't even really want a novelty kit, but people asked, so I have been trying, but anything I come up with is too close to thesis' work and so I scrap it. TBH if he wanted to do novelties and get all the credit and whatnot, I'm fine with that, I of course can't speak for donut, but I don't give 2 ****s about credit. My only goal is to get purple keys with green japanese legends without waiting years to get it. I also want standard colors so it's compatible with my other sets.
Either way though, lets be real here, there is no way this is gonna do even close to the sales a GMK TM would do on MD if it ever ran. And because of that, there is very little chance that it would EVER "jeapardize" TM.
Anyway, I'm really not trying to be inflammatory, so I hope that's not how it seems. I just really like bright keycaps and this is probably my favorite of the 4 major tertiary color schemes (though cmy is also up there).
dont sweat it. the worst anyone who's upset about it can do is just not participate in the GB. everything else is just talk talk talk.
Post by: Rumblehotep on Thu, 08 March 2018, 23:14:40
Post by: P1kas on Thu, 08 March 2018, 23:15:26
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 09 March 2018, 03:19:26
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.This!
Post by: SolidCactus on Fri, 09 March 2018, 04:00:13
dont sweat it. the worst anyone who's upset about it can do is just not participate in the GB. everything else is just talk talk talk.
I'm with sth on this one. I'm all in on this set and I love the breakdown of the new kits!
I don't think the world can have enough NGE keycap sets...
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 04:07:02
dont sweat it. the worst anyone who's upset about it can do is just not participate in the GB. everything else is just talk talk talk.
I'm with sth on this one. I'm all in on this set and I love the breakdown of the new kits!
I don't think the world can have enough NGE keycap sets...
I'd still love to find a set of EVA Noctilucous.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 09 March 2018, 05:33:42
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
You didn't seem against it when you offered to do renders in return for a set. And it's not like I can tell what he posts on IG since he has me blocked. Besides, a GMK Troubled Minds will no doubt use color matching and appeal to everyone who wants Troubled Minds instead of this set.
At which point it was an all purple set, things took a turn when you added green modifiers and orange novelties, going full on TM mode.- It used to be at least somewhat different.
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
How does this small different set jeopardize a massive MD group buy? Did you happen to read my posts, or did you just jump in at the end?
I love thesiscamper's work, and I will totally buy GMK Troubled Minds if it ever comes to pass (though I'm not a huge fan of the SP colors) and my kira60 is one of my favorite boards, but unless I'm missing something, the only time he ever really posted anything serious was almost 2 years ago. And then like yesterday AFTER we started this IC. And his only mention was that he MIGHT do it and then only after SA TM runs again which itself is likely a few months out. Its totally possible I missed something, but I did try and find any mention of it being a real and/or confirmed thing, but I was never able to find it.
It's also not like anyone of us invented the 4 major tertiary color schemes (the biggest two that most people know are RGB and CMY, the other 2 are Violet, Orange and Spring Green and then Azure, Chartreuse and Rose. Unfortunately because of the particular versions of orange green and purple that are available in GMKs standard color palette, I feel like this is the only green purple orange combination that can really work. I'd love to have the popularity and pull to run a more balanced set with custom color in one of the inversions, but I'm realistic to know the best chance to get a set like this made is standard colors.
This entire set started cause I was talking to donut about some of the green sets I wanted, and the first one wouldnt work now, then I said, what about green and purple, and he wasn't keen, so I sent him a render of the first row of keys and he was into it.I was actually literally considering waiting until my bonus the end of this year and running the entire set out of pocket just so I could have it, so when donut said he would try it, that seemed preferable.
I've been making a LOT of effort to not step on anyones toes. I don't even really want a novelty kit, but people asked, so I have been trying, but anything I come up with is too close to thesis' work and so I scrap it. TBH if he wanted to do novelties and get all the credit and whatnot, I'm fine with that, I of course can't speak for donut, but I don't give 2 ****s about credit. My only goal is to get purple keys with green japanese legends without waiting years to get it. I also want standard colors so it's compatible with my other sets.
Either way though, lets be real here, there is no way this is gonna do even close to the sales a GMK TM would do on MD if it ever ran. And because of that, there is very little chance that it would EVER "jeapardize" TM.
Anyway, I'm really not trying to be inflammatory, so I hope that's not how it seems. I just really like bright keycaps and this is probably my favorite of the 4 major tertiary color schemes (though cmy is also up there).
I understand where you are coming from, but wouldn't you say that adding green mods and novelty colors that also happen to be the same as TM is deviating from your original vision a bit much? You say you wanted to make an all green on purple set with weeb legends, yet now we are looking at what looks to be more and more just TM.
Also it is not yet clear if GMK TM will even end up on MD. Sure if it was, it would probably succeed regardless, but if it goes through other vendors that thesis has previously worked with, getting to 250 units again while this ran before will be a challenge.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:00:16
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
How does this small different set jeopardize a massive MD group buy? Did you happen to read my posts, or did you just jump in at the end?
I love thesiscamper's work, and I will totally buy GMK Troubled Minds if it ever comes to pass (though I'm not a huge fan of the SP colors) and my kira60 is one of my favorite boards, but unless I'm missing something, the only time he ever really posted anything serious was almost 2 years ago. And then like yesterday AFTER we started this IC. And his only mention was that he MIGHT do it and then only after SA TM runs again which itself is likely a few months out. Its totally possible I missed something, but I did try and find any mention of it being a real and/or confirmed thing, but I was never able to find it.
It's also not like anyone of us invented the 4 major tertiary color schemes (the biggest two that most people know are RGB and CMY, the other 2 are Violet, Orange and Spring Green and then Azure, Chartreuse and Rose. Unfortunately because of the particular versions of orange green and purple that are available in GMKs standard color palette, I feel like this is the only green purple orange combination that can really work. I'd love to have the popularity and pull to run a more balanced set with custom color in one of the inversions, but I'm realistic to know the best chance to get a set like this made is standard colors.
This entire set started cause I was talking to donut about some of the green sets I wanted, and the first one wouldnt work now, then I said, what about green and purple, and he wasn't keen, so I sent him a render of the first row of keys and he was into it.I was actually literally considering waiting until my bonus the end of this year and running the entire set out of pocket just so I could have it, so when donut said he would try it, that seemed preferable.
I've been making a LOT of effort to not step on anyones toes. I don't even really want a novelty kit, but people asked, so I have been trying, but anything I come up with is too close to thesis' work and so I scrap it. TBH if he wanted to do novelties and get all the credit and whatnot, I'm fine with that, I of course can't speak for donut, but I don't give 2 ****s about credit. My only goal is to get purple keys with green japanese legends without waiting years to get it. I also want standard colors so it's compatible with my other sets.
Either way though, lets be real here, there is no way this is gonna do even close to the sales a GMK TM would do on MD if it ever ran. And because of that, there is very little chance that it would EVER "jeapardize" TM.
Anyway, I'm really not trying to be inflammatory, so I hope that's not how it seems. I just really like bright keycaps and this is probably my favorite of the 4 major tertiary color schemes (though cmy is also up there).
I understand where you are coming from, but wouldn't you say that adding green mods and novelty colors that also happen to be the same as TM is deviating from your original vision a bit much? You say you wanted to make an all green on purple set with weeb legends, yet now we are looking at what looks to be more and more just TM.
Also it is not yet clear if GMK TM will even end up on MD. Sure if it was, it would probably succeed regardless, but if it goes through other vendors that thesis has previously worked with, getting to 250 units again while this ran before will be a challenge.
And this is where I reiterate that you haven't read the whole thread. My first post in the thread that was about 1hr into it said the following:
Instead of doing AE accent keys, maybe go with an orange to mimic the 01's actual accents? Though I guess that may invoke a Spyro look instead.
We are definitely considering orange, have already started testing it too, the problem is when you add 3 colors costs go up. Trying to figure out what the best option is. The green accents keep it cheap.
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That said, Evangelion isn't really the inspiration for me anyway, it's just the first thing people think of. Basically I was talking to donutcat about other sets I want cause I <3 weeb legends, and the one idea wouldnt work cause of current timing, so i suggested purple and green cause I like anything purple and donutcat likes green and the colors go well together imo.
I have also had the colors stuck in my head for a while though, and it's not from Eva, but I haven't quite pinned down what it reminds me of. My old constructicon toys were also the same colors (purple green orange) but I don't think that's it either. I think maybe it's just the horrible 90's colors in general (and it IS a standard Triadic color scheme)
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Now, I don't mind leaning into the eva theme, because it is what people will recognize, but It's not a must have/ deal breaker for me. I'm pretty simple as all i use are 60/65%, so I'm not super hung up on anything, so if people have preference for certain things, certain keys, specific legends or modifiers, etc, just say so.Full purple not for me, something more in line with Troubled Minds with a more Eva theme color palet then I'm sold.
Donutcat prefers the simpler look of mostly purple, it also helps keep costs down, my actual preference is something like this:Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401920504027545603/417085465867321345/1234567890-3D_2018-Feb-24_10-26-34PM-000_CustomizedView19684608021.png)
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The question is can it be done cost effectively, is there enough interest for something so loud, etc. If there are tons of people interested in doing it, I'm all for the super loud eye melting sets. I love bright sets and there are already plenty of options for more muted things (i like those too). I mean ****, if there are enough people we could actually do custom colors and get a more saturated green :P. But I think that's wishful thinking really.
The other problem is that gets closer to troubled minds and I don't really wanna step on anyones toes. All I really care about is green weeb legends on purple alphas, ill take whatever other changes people want :P.
I never hid that I wanted orange and green. We ran an IC. People asked for green mods. To stick with the original goals and what donut wanted we stuck with an all purple base and only did green mods as an addon kit. We don't even know if they will hit moq. People ask for novelties so I've tried to make some, I don't really care if they happen as the colors are my goal anyway, not the novelties. If we can't come up with something good and unique, I'm fine with there being no novelties.
But isn't this the whole point of an IC? To adjust your GB to fit what the community wants and where the interest lies?
Also, let's remember that this set existed BEFORE troubled minds:
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=56579.0;attach=59331;image)
I am aware of no plans to run TM with gaijin alphas and this set ONLY includes them.
I just think it's a bit unfair to attack the thread when it IS a different set thesiscamper has never actually said he plans to run it in GMK, only that he might consider it at some date in the future. Have we really reached a point where a standard color scheme is someones property because they publicly considered maybe doing it in the future? Purple Green Orange is the opposite of CMY:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-quJ6kXI91oA/VrI6SyUdyzI/AAAAAAAADfw/gbayieYk9us/s1600/CMY%2BPartative%2BColors.jpg)
Anyway, I really don't want this to turn into a flame war. I totally get where your coming from, and maybe you have some inside information that supports your side better, I don't know, but you need to at least consider the other side. I want green japanese legends on purple. There is no evidence at all that even GMK TM would provide this. We ran IC for said set and people asked for the changes that have been made and they were done to make the set viable. Is your argument that community feedback and ICs should be ignored? We have NO intent to run the set with non gaijin alphas.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:15:46
I never hid that I wanted orange and green. We ran an IC. People asked for green mods. To stick with the original goals and what donut wanted we stuck with an all purple base and only did green mods as an addon kit. We don't even know if they will hit moq. People ask for novelties so I've tried to make some, I don't really care if they happen as the colors are my goal anyway, not the novelties. If we can't come up with something good and unique, I'm fine with there being no novelties.
But isn't this the whole point of an IC? To adjust your GB to fit what the community wants and where the interest lies?
So if I open an IC for a set with beige alphas and dark gray mods, and people ask for orange accents, do I then have a free pass to copy Carbon? Yes IC is about asking for feedback, but you aren't obligated to make every change requested.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:48:38
I never hid that I wanted orange and green. We ran an IC. People asked for green mods. To stick with the original goals and what donut wanted we stuck with an all purple base and only did green mods as an addon kit. We don't even know if they will hit moq. People ask for novelties so I've tried to make some, I don't really care if they happen as the colors are my goal anyway, not the novelties. If we can't come up with something good and unique, I'm fine with there being no novelties.
But isn't this the whole point of an IC? To adjust your GB to fit what the community wants and where the interest lies?
So if I open an IC for a set with beige alphas and dark gray mods, and people ask for orange accents, do I then have a free pass to copy Carbon? Yes IC is about asking for feedback, but you aren't obligated to make every change requested.
You know that's not the same thing. That is duplicating something that exists with what is essentially an identical copy. This set is different colors with different legends and none of the same novelties and is "duplicating" something that may or may not exist at some point in the future. And it's realistically much closer color wise to Noctilucous.
Does anyone own the Miami colorway? (CMY)
You are basically saying we shouldn't consider a similar colorway because we may or may not hurt the future sales of something that may or may not happen and may or may not actually provide the keys we want.
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:49:19
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:58:49
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 09:07:21
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:15:41
listen just give me some unit 01 key set that isn't in a god awful profile please otherwise my board will forever just be on display, SA physically hurts for me to use
Kinda like this? (wip designs)
(https://i.imgur.com/VTlaMYH.png) (https://i.imgur.com/VTlaMYH.png)
Post by: beamingrobot on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:28:16
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Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:34:48
Unless thesiscamper has concrete plans to run a non-massdrop GMK TM soon, I don't think there's really a case here.
BRB, making GMK Godspeed.
Post by: beamingrobot on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:36:03
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Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:36:25
Unless thesiscamper has concrete plans to run a non-massdrop GMK TM soon, I don't think there's really a case here.
BRB, making GMK Godspeed.
BRB, making SA Nautilus
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:41:31
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:47:51
Wow that totally doesn't look like a familiar novelty key from another set
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Aside from a design of unit 01's face, this is the design that is straight from the anime and about the easiest thing to recognize as being associated with unit 01.
(https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png)
We even made the effort to make sure it wasn't the same as anything that currently exists, but there's only so much you can make it different from another design that has the same source material. If you know of other designs that would be as instantly associable with EVA, specifically unit 01, as that design is, maybe let us know so we'll have more to work with.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:48:56
Wow that totally doesn't look like a familiar novelty key from another set
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Aside from a design of unit 01's face, this is the design that is straight from the anime and about the easiest thing to recognize as being associated with unit 01.
(https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png)
We even made the effort to make sure it wasn't the same as anything that currently exists, but there's only so much you can make it different from another design that has the same source material. If you know of other designs that would be as instantly associable with EVA, specifically unit 01, as that design is, maybe let us know so we'll have more to work with.
Congratiolations, you moved from community drama to copyright infringement.
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:51:54
Then so has your friend thesiscamper :thumb:Wow that totally doesn't look like a familiar novelty key from another set
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Aside from a design of unit 01's face, this is the design that is straight from the anime and about the easiest thing to recognize as being associated with unit 01.
(https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png)
We even made the effort to make sure it wasn't the same as anything that currently exists, but there's only so much you can make it different from another design that has the same source material. If you know of other designs that would be as instantly associable with EVA, specifically unit 01, as that design is, maybe let us know so we'll have more to work with.
Congratiolations, you moved from community drama to copyright infringement.
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:55:01
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:55:34
I understand the designers attacking him, because donut is a VENDOR who copies colorways. It's not like I didn't want to run GMK Troubled Minds, it's because vendors will say they're interested and then put you on a never-ending queue. donut as a vendor doesn't have that problem, clearly he just chooses whatever colorway he feels like whenever he feels like it as shown from his current ICs and past buys.
I understand the buyers, because they don't care about anything but being able to buy colored plastics that they want and not need.
Really, I try to keep to myself doing my small projects. Just go do whatever you want.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:01:14
If you don’t support the IC don’t thread crap in it. It’s been beaten to death that nobody owns a colorway. There is no need to rehash it right now. If thesis is going to run TM in the future, support his project and not this one. This set, although similar, is different and with a different manufacturer. Please be respectful to the OP and keep discussion constructive.
By the way doesn't this IC belong into Vendor forum like it was done before with other IC threads?
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:10:42
If you don’t support the IC don’t thread crap in it. It’s been beaten to death that nobody owns a colorway. There is no need to rehash it right now. If thesis is going to run TM in the future, support his project and not this one. This set, although similar, is different and with a different manufacturer. Please be respectful to the OP and keep discussion constructive.
By the way doesn't this IC belong into Vendor forum like it was done before with other IC threads?
Does it? I didn’t see that it was running through MD.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:16:28
If you don’t support the IC don’t thread crap in it. It’s been beaten to death that nobody owns a colorway. There is no need to rehash it right now. If thesis is going to run TM in the future, support his project and not this one. This set, although similar, is different and with a different manufacturer. Please be respectful to the OP and keep discussion constructive.
By the way doesn't this IC belong into Vendor forum like it was done before with other IC threads?
Does it? I didn’t see that it was running through MD.
Yeah, it did twice https://www.massdrop.com/buy/troubled-minds-sa-keycap-set
Post by: AndyTC on Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:19:41
If you don’t support the IC don’t thread crap in it. It’s been beaten to death that nobody owns a colorway. There is no need to rehash it right now. If thesis is going to run TM in the future, support his project and not this one. This set, although similar, is different and with a different manufacturer. Please be respectful to the OP and keep discussion constructive.
By the way doesn't this IC belong into Vendor forum like it was done before with other IC threads?
Does it? I didn’t see that it was running through MD.
Yeah, it did twice https://www.massdrop.com/buy/troubled-minds-sa-keycap-set
If you don’t support the IC don’t thread crap in it. It’s been beaten to death that nobody owns a colorway. There is no need to rehash it right now. If thesis is going to run TM in the future, support his project and not this one. This set, although similar, is different and with a different manufacturer. Please be respectful to the OP and keep discussion constructive.
By the way doesn't this IC belong into Vendor forum like it was done before with other IC threads?
Does it? I didn’t see that it was running through MD.
Yeah, it did twice https://www.massdrop.com/buy/troubled-minds-sa-keycap-set
Also ran through GH thrice https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56579.0
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:19:54
Wow that totally doesn't look like a familiar novelty key from another set
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Aside from a design of unit 01's face, this is the design that is straight from the anime and about the easiest thing to recognize as being associated with unit 01.
(https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png)
We even made the effort to make sure it wasn't the same as anything that currently exists, but there's only so much you can make it different from another design that has the same source material. If you know of other designs that would be as instantly associable with EVA, specifically unit 01, as that design is, maybe let us know so we'll have more to work with.
Congratiolations, you moved from community drama to copyright infringement.
Sorry man, but that is just an incredibly dumb and hypocritical post given how the name of the game in keycap designing is infringing copyright and getting away with it because the projects are usually so small as to not be worth chasing by the IP owners. It's pretty clear from that that this isn't about anything other than automatically defending the clique of popular designers.
For the record, I actually am on the side of not copycatting sets, but that's solely from a perspective of politeness since it's just a creativity thing. If this was about a vendor mass-producing a replica of someone's artisan, that'd be another matter since you're actually stealing their business.
Post by: zekkin on Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:21:07
If you don’t support the IC don’t thread crap in it. It’s been beaten to death that nobody owns a colorway. There is no need to rehash it right now. If thesis is going to run TM in the future, support his project and not this one. This set, although similar, is different and with a different manufacturer. Please be respectful to the OP and keep discussion constructive.
By the way doesn't this IC belong into Vendor forum like it was done before with other IC threads?
Does it? I didn’t see that it was running through MD.
Yeah, it did twice https://www.massdrop.com/buy/troubled-minds-sa-keycap-set
that there is a different set my dude
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:29:45
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:53:59
If you don’t support the IC don’t thread crap in it. It’s been beaten to death that nobody owns a colorway. There is no need to rehash it right now. If thesis is going to run TM in the future, support his project and not this one. This set, although similar, is different and with a different manufacturer. Please be respectful to the OP and keep discussion constructive.
By the way doesn't this IC belong into Vendor forum like it was done before with other IC threads?
Does it? I didn’t see that it was running through MD.
Who said anything about moving it into the MD subforum? Donut Cat seems to be a very active vendor, I feel he has earned his own subforum where all his IC's and GB's could be moved to. Or are you saying this new rule applies to Massdrop related projects alone?
It's pretty clear from that that this isn't about anything other than automatically defending the clique of popular designers.
Oh no, how terrible would it be if frequent designers felt like their creations were protected by the community, making all their efforts worth their while and not have to worry it'll be copied left and right afterwards. Think of the repercussions this could have!
Regarding the ever-emerging 'who owns the rights to a colorway' debate: My opinion is that by no law is any colorway protected, and by law anyone would be able to produce any color combination set ever. However, as a community we should respect our designers and encourage them to keep being creative. If it was agreed upon that any colorway could just be run again by anyone at any time, why would designers want to keep creating original content? What would be the point? It'll just be copied anyways. So the whole color way thing needs to be a gentlemen's agreement, protected by those that participate in the community.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:58:31
I get what donut is doing, since he hasn't really sold anything original on his store and this is to be expected. I expect he will run other colorways other people have done before.Lets see:
- GMK Coniferous - pretty original imo, but someone will probably try to tell me they came up with the idea in an SA set 3 years previous and that I shouldn't have run it
- GMK Royal Alpha - original design from MOZ, I vendored R2 with his permission
- GMK BoB - original design from cocobrais, I was just a proxy
- GMK Forge - original design from Ryu, I was the main vendor for the set
- GMK 60's Happy Life - another design from cocobrais that I was a proxy for
That's all the keysets I've ran, unless you wanna try saying my cables aren't original or something, but that's a little weird to define.
I understand the designers attacking him, because donut is a VENDOR who copies colorways. It's not like I didn't want to run GMK Troubled Minds, it's because vendors will say they're interested and then put you on a never-ending queue. donut as a vendor doesn't have that problem, clearly he just chooses whatever colorway he feels like whenever he feels like it as shown from his current ICs and past buys.
If the set isn't using the specific colors of another set, is it really a copy? Unless you want to say that once a set has been made that combines any type of green and purple, no other person ever is allowed to use those colors again. Trying to keep people from making something because they're using "the same colors" is pretty **** and doesn't help the community any, unless you for some reason think monopolies on vague color combinations is a healthy thing.
I understand the buyers, because they don't care about anything but being able to buy colored plastics that they want and not need.
Really, I try to keep to myself doing my small projects. Just go do whatever you want.
(https://i.imgur.com/SwpAoYJ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/SwpAoYJ.png)
In other news, I'm now opening a GB for glasses for some of the people in this thread that actually believe that this set is a copy of Troubled Minds. Granted, someone will probably complain that the color of glasses I choose is a ripoff of another popular glasses GB that was ran years ago for a different shape of glasses.
Who said anything about moving it into the MD subforum? Donut Cat seems to be a very active vendor, I feel he has earned his own subforum where all his IC's and GB's could be moved to. Or are you saying this new rule applies to Massdrop related projects alone?
According to the vendor/artisan guidelines, I don't meet the criteria for vendor status.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 12:01:34
Wow that totally doesn't look like a familiar novelty key from another set
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Aside from a design of unit 01's face, this is the design that is straight from the anime and about the easiest thing to recognize as being associated with unit 01.
(https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2VId3Hp.png)
We even made the effort to make sure it wasn't the same as anything that currently exists, but there's only so much you can make it different from another design that has the same source material. If you know of other designs that would be as instantly associable with EVA, specifically unit 01, as that design is, maybe let us know so we'll have more to work with.
Congratiolations, you moved from community drama to copyright infringement.
You mean like every eva set:
(https://i.imgur.com/HnALy0N.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IietsRN.png)
Post by: avid on Fri, 09 March 2018, 12:20:22
Post by: Anaconda on Fri, 09 March 2018, 12:22:22
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 12:31:02
The whole vendor sub-forum thing is stupid for IC. When people visit GH they go into GB's and IC. Hiding IC threads in sub-forums no one visits serve no purpose.
On that point I am in 100% agreement tbh. I get what their goal is, and the MD threads really are more Interest Gathering than true IC since they are normally already big thought out kits. But to me one of the big advantages of GH over Reddit / MD was being able to find ALL the different stuff coming soon in 1 place. Maybe like a coming soon subforum for stuff between IC and GB?
I dunno what the answer is, but I also don't like having to hunt down all the different sets, and unlike many people I don't mind MD run keycap sets.
Still want this set. I like the 01 novelties. Maybe add some angel novelties? and ( even tho used in TM) the pulse knife would look really nice on the backspace.
I was considering like Leliel or Ramiel or maybe Sahaquiel. Good icons are really hard, and I'm certainly not a graphics designer :P. I kinda wanna avoid getting too niche tho. Like if the reference is obscure, I want the design to be something that someone who doesn't know the reference still likes, and that is hard.
Post by: zekkin on Fri, 09 March 2018, 13:00:24
Post by: sth on Fri, 09 March 2018, 13:12:28
can we get a "i'm so ****ed up" novelty?
just a black cap with a little white blob on it
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 13:13:12
can we get a "i'm so ****ed up" novelty?
just a black cap with a little white blob on it
Or a “Fap” key :P
Post by: Xerpocalypse on Fri, 09 March 2018, 13:13:50
I'm not an expert by any means, but my $0.02:
That the fact it's hiragana+latin legends only, in a different profile, and is focused solely on EVA 001, altogether make this set quite different and more focused than Troubled Minds.
I'm in whenever this moves to GB.
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 13:20:42
Regarding the ever-emerging 'who owns the rights to a colorway' debate: My opinion is that by no law is any colorway protected, and by law anyone would be able to produce any color combination set ever. However, as a community we should respect our designers and encourage them to keep being creative. If it was agreed upon that any colorway could just be run again by anyone at any time, why would designers want to keep creating original content? What would be the point? It'll just be copied anyways. So the whole color way thing needs to be a gentlemen's agreement, protected by those that participate in the community.
I mean, to me the point would be getting keycaps. I think that's the problem here, I assume you guys view yourselves as artists and take pride in the designs, but others just care about getting some caps. If someone took a colorway I designed and ran a GB I wouldn't care, in fact I'd be happy that I could proceed to do nothing myself and end up with some keys I like the look of. Though I will admit, maybe I would feel differently if any of my ideas were good enough to actually get produced. Novelty designs however I would agree on since designing them takes more work, but I don't see that as relevant to this thread's conversation since it's about colorway strictly.
I will additionally say however that ownership idea is not even enforced equally anyway, only really seems to apply to colorways considering nobody gets angry at the people making siblings to the planck, ergodox (or whatever the first of that type was from a community member), etc, which I would consider akin to a gaijin version of GMK TM.
In any case, I think we can all at least band behind the idea that ICs in subforums should not be a thing.
Post by: Acereconkeys on Fri, 09 March 2018, 14:37:24
This set does not infringe on that work because the only similarity between it and TM is the combination of Purple/green/orange. Purple/green/orange is not what made TM TM. For another example, what makes nautilus special is not using blue/yellow but the deep ocean theme, the fish, way that light blue on dark blue makes you imagine the different depths of the ocean, etc.
I see there being 2 options moving forward.
1. The set goes back to its original idea which is just green on purple with weeb sublegends with no novelties and nothing extra. It doesn't infringe on TM because it's just purple/green.
2. It branches out of TM territory by cementing itself into the theme of neon genesis evangelion (the show that the name comes from) through added novelties
At least that's my opinion on it.
Post by: Anaconda on Fri, 09 March 2018, 15:58:54
I think an important distinction needs to be made in the community going forward between the different aspects of a keycap set. Troubled minds had significant design effort go into the theme combining the colorway with really good novelties and design. That is what made it earn the reputation it has.
This set does not infringe on that work because the only similarity between it and TM is the combination of Purple/green/orange. Purple/green/orange is not what made TM TM. For another example, what makes nautilus special is not using blue/yellow but the deep ocean theme, the fish, way that light blue on dark blue makes you imagine the different depths of the ocean, etc.
I see there being 2 options moving forward.
1. The set goes back to its original idea which is just green on purple with weeb sublegends with no novelties and nothing extra. It doesn't infringe on TM because it's just purple/green.
2. It branches out of TM territory by cementing itself into the theme of neon genesis evangelion (the show that the name comes from) through added novelties
At least that's my opinion on it.
Why does thesis have the rights for Evangelion themed sets? There was at least one set ran before Troubled minds that was Eva themed (posted previously on this thread).
Post by: TelFiRE on Fri, 09 March 2018, 17:15:04
The colors aren't exactly the same. And the legends obviously aren't the same. So yes, it's similar, but neither purple and green nor the idea of mods as accent keys are original to TM. Are we going to say that if you are a HUGE fan of these colors, but you don't like the shades chosen for the first person who created a set with the colors, or the set is just a few bits off for you in some other ways, you can never even try to have your dream set made?
Anyway I'm not trying to add to the drama, really. I hope everyone can get along somehow :( I love both sets, and also a huge fan of other sets by the designers involved here.
Edit: and hopefully people on both sides can refrain from attacking peoples' integrity over this, which is incredibly low-brow and unnecessary.
Post by: ArchDill on Fri, 09 March 2018, 17:30:13
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 09 March 2018, 17:54:03
Regardless of what everyone thinks, the set ultimately can be ran. Out of integrity, running a set that is pretty much GMK Troubled Minds is probably not the best thing to do since Thesiscamper has teased it. The original design with the sub legends and no mods could still do well.
Good thing since we were still planning on running the set regardless of the current drama.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 09 March 2018, 18:39:37
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 09 March 2018, 19:03:02
ignore this postok
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 09 March 2018, 19:09:11
ignore this postok
i was gonna talk some **** but then i thought better of it
Post by: Sissy on Fri, 09 March 2018, 19:16:46
This set is clearly more in line with 01 and the original idea of the set.
at the end of the day Evangelion is a confusing mess of an anime, the last movie will never come out and neither Rei or Asuka are best girls.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 09 March 2018, 19:19:12
ignore this postok
i was gonna talk some **** but then i thought better of it
You mean you DID talk some **** and realized you sounded like a jerk?
One side of this debate is being petty and insulting people and just making general personal attacks.
Let's just remember we are talking about an EXTREMELY common color palette based on color theory. Not some unique color palette that no one else has done before or will do again.
If you wanna have a debate on the MERITS of your arguments, who should own color ways, does saying you might do something later entitle you to said ownership, how different does something have to be before it's NOT just a copy? Etc, then we can have that conversation, but I would really love it if EVERYONE stopped with the personal attacks.
People CAN disagree without hating each other and trying to make the other side look and FEEL bad. You guys are acting like this thread is somehow malicious, as if it was started specifically to attack TM, but no one is actually addressing the arguments being made in the other direction. Generally speaking if you cannot argue your stance on the merits, there are none.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 09 March 2018, 19:32:12
ignore this postok
i was gonna talk some **** but then i thought better of it
You mean you DID talk some **** and realized you sounded like a jerk?
One side of this debate is being petty and insulting people and just making general personal attacks.
Let's just remember we are talking about an EXTREMELY common color palette based on color theory. Not some unique color palette that no one else has done before or will do again.
If you wanna have a debate on the MERITS of your arguments, who should own color ways, does saying you might do something later entitle you to said ownership, how different does something have to be before it's NOT just a copy? Etc, then we can have that conversation, but I would really love it if EVERYONE stopped with the personal attacks.
People CAN disagree without hating each other and trying to make the other side look and FEEL bad. You guys are acting like this thread is somehow malicious, as if it was started specifically to attack TM, but no one is actually addressing the arguments being made in the other direction. Generally speaking if you cannot argue your stance on the merits, there are none.
ah no i don't really give a **** about the colorway or the arguments around this GB
(https://i.imgur.com/FJBoBlw.png)
if you're curious about what i was gonna say
it's just a direct personal attack, i'm trying to do less of that to other people since i don't like when people do it to me
trying to be less of a ****, but sometimes it still comes out when i don't really mean for it to
Post by: aznreaper on Fri, 09 March 2018, 19:39:38
Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 09 March 2018, 19:43:26
neither Rei or Asuka are best girls.DELET THIS
Post by: iliketimex on Sat, 10 March 2018, 16:52:49
In this set I really like the orange mods and all of the mod kits, even more than the base. I hope all of the mod kits make the cut.
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 10 March 2018, 16:53:51
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGyyiJx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ZGyyiJx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7Cub2OS.png) (https://i.imgur.com/7Cub2OS.png)
Post by: MajorKoos on Sat, 10 March 2018, 19:10:07
Show Image
Some more neat renders from amnesia for all the mad lads here
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGyyiJx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ZGyyiJx.png)
Reminds me of a scene from Good Morning Vietnam describing some new uniforms.
If you're gonna clash, clash!
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 11 March 2018, 07:03:58
Post by: soupymeatballs on Sun, 11 March 2018, 07:07:55
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/DSNgq2U.png)
Looks great! Can't wait
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 11 March 2018, 08:56:52
Post by: darthzero on Sun, 11 March 2018, 09:39:59
Not only am I losing a lot of respect for many prominent community members, but this thread is quite literally making me dumber. Seriously, this is some petty BS. I'm really starting to hate that I even got involved in this community at all if this is the kinda **** they're gonna squabble over. I thought this hobby was generally participated in by adults, not toddlers.+1
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 11 March 2018, 12:17:23
(https://i.imgur.com/mtOwtAh.png) (https://i.imgur.com/mtOwtAh.png)(https://i.imgur.com/Xl6tYTj.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Xl6tYTj.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/KeajpoE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/KeajpoE.png)(https://i.imgur.com/d21FBIc.png) (https://i.imgur.com/d21FBIc.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/lD95QWu.png) (https://i.imgur.com/lD95QWu.png)(https://i.imgur.com/9Lg4YxJ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9Lg4YxJ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ltLLBs1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ltLLBs1.png)(https://i.imgur.com/QK71Xs0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QK71Xs0.png)
Awesome renders from amnesia, we can only hope the actual set looks as good as these do
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sun, 11 March 2018, 12:21:08
Post by: P1kas on Sun, 11 March 2018, 12:23:21
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 11 March 2018, 12:51:27
Post by: MajorKoos on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:32:53
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:33:49
Are the sub legends going to be double shot?
Yep, doubleshot using the molds that Laser and Red Samurai used.
Post by: MajorKoos on Sun, 11 March 2018, 13:41:06
Are the sub legends going to be double shot?
Yep, doubleshot using the molds that Laser and Red Samurai used.
Thanks for confirming :)
I'm sold.
Post by: SolidCactus on Sun, 11 March 2018, 14:10:11
Post by: Anaconda on Sun, 11 March 2018, 15:27:52
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 11 March 2018, 15:43:30
Also will candykeys be a proxy for this set as well? as an european that would be really nice!
There will be an EU proxy, but I haven't decided who just yet.
Post by: Manticzeus on Sun, 11 March 2018, 18:23:50
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 12 March 2018, 03:16:30
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Post by: sth on Mon, 12 March 2018, 06:29:46
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 12 March 2018, 07:31:01
ahhhh please icon mods pleeeeaaaase
Sorry, I don't do icon mods.
Post by: rioc on Wed, 14 March 2018, 07:21:46
Although, what about Japanese text mods?
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Post by: rioc on Wed, 14 March 2018, 07:26:06
Also, I didn't care to search, but I'm sure puddsy already said something about this even though he's got nought to do with it ;p
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Post by: zekkin on Wed, 14 March 2018, 07:50:16
Oh, is this gonna replace the gmk troubled minds? Or is this separate? Cause those novelties (backspace,...) are bliss.
Also, I didn't care to search, but I'm sure puddsy already said something about this even though he's got nought to do with it ;p
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Regarding TM, I recommend reading through the entire thread (pretty much page 2-3).
Post by: kokugatsu on Wed, 14 March 2018, 08:10:08
Idc, just do it, I'm in =)
Although, what about Japanese text mods?
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Don't think those molds exist yet.
Post by: rioc on Wed, 14 March 2018, 08:43:44
Idc, just do it, I'm in =)
Although, what about Japanese text mods?
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Don't think those molds exist yet.
I know... I'm suggesting creating them, there's always a first time
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 14 March 2018, 10:09:00
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Wed, 14 March 2018, 13:52:40
At this time I'm not willing to add 150€ to the cost of the set for each mod that would need creating, even if it would be cool. And this set is not in any way, shape, or form associated at all with Troubled Minds, it just so happens that someone thinks that they should be credited as the inventor of green and purple, hence the drama. It's even funnier when you see that their basic colorscheme is the same as a previously run set, making it super hypocritical.Exactly, lol. Someone needs to start policing the police 🤣
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 15 March 2018, 13:41:07
Post by: Anaconda on Fri, 16 March 2018, 16:22:13
Post by: P1kas on Fri, 16 March 2018, 19:21:17
Post by: Vloshko on Sun, 18 March 2018, 20:05:53
Colorway is one of my favorites. Anime is among my top 10.
EVA icon mods plz. Some ideas: Caution Striped Spacebar (maybe alternating green & orange or only 1 color on a purple bar), Evangelion Angels (Leliel, Ramiel, Lilith, Sachiel, Matarael & Sahaquel eyes), obviously NERV & 01, Pen Pen, No. 55 fly me to the moon
overall: **** yes make this happen
Post by: P1kas on Sun, 18 March 2018, 20:46:54
Post by: Vloshko on Sun, 18 March 2018, 20:55:58
Pretty sure they've already stated that they won't consider separating latin and japanese characters.
Ah my mistake then, I must have missed that in the previous 4 pages of lengthy comments.
edit: Actually I don't think that has been stated. At least I couldn't find it just now when searching.
edit 2: I stand corrected.
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Sun, 18 March 2018, 21:02:12
It's been stated. Hirigana only sets basically ha e a 0% chance of hitting MOQ, unfortunately.Pretty sure they've already stated that they won't consider separating latin and japanese characters.
Ah my mistake then, I must have missed that in the previous 4 pages of lengthy comments.
edit: Actually I don't think that has been stated. At least I couldn't find it just now when searching.
Post by: Vloshko on Sun, 18 March 2018, 22:08:52
It's been stated. Hirigana only sets basically ha e a 0% chance of hitting MOQ, unfortunately.Pretty sure they've already stated that they won't consider separating latin and japanese characters.
Ah my mistake then, I must have missed that in the previous 4 pages of lengthy comments.
edit: Actually I don't think that has been stated. At least I couldn't find it just now when searching.
Wait... didn't the GMK Laser set have a Hiragana only kit? So, doesn't that mean the molds exist and it hit at least MOQ?
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 18 March 2018, 22:18:01
It's been stated. Hirigana only sets basically ha e a 0% chance of hitting MOQ, unfortunately.Pretty sure they've already stated that they won't consider separating latin and japanese characters.
Ah my mistake then, I must have missed that in the previous 4 pages of lengthy comments.
edit: Actually I don't think that has been stated. At least I couldn't find it just now when searching.
Wait... didn't the GMK Laser set have a Hiragana only kit? So, doesn't that mean the molds exist and it hit at least MOQ?
i don't think this set will sell as many as GMK laser
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Sun, 18 March 2018, 22:25:33
You VASTLY overestimate how many sets this will sell.It's been stated. Hirigana only sets basically ha e a 0% chance of hitting MOQ, unfortunately.Pretty sure they've already stated that they won't consider separating latin and japanese characters.
Ah my mistake then, I must have missed that in the previous 4 pages of lengthy comments.
edit: Actually I don't think that has been stated. At least I couldn't find it just now when searching.
Wait... didn't the GMK Laser set have a Hiragana only kit? So, doesn't that mean the molds exist and it hit at least MOQ?
Post by: Vloshko on Sun, 18 March 2018, 22:32:49
Post by: P1kas on Sun, 18 March 2018, 23:08:24
Whether or not this set would be able to sell enough Hiragana only kits to hit MOQ is a whole different story.
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 18 March 2018, 23:13:57
Post by: rioc on Mon, 19 March 2018, 09:19:08
dont sweat it. the worst anyone who's upset about it can do is just not participate in the GB. everything else is just talk talk talk.
I'm with sth on this one. I'm all in on this set and I love the breakdown of the new kits!
I don't think the world can have enough NGE keycap sets...
I'd still love to find a set of EVA Noctilucous.
defo the best EVA Keyset out there!
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 19 March 2018, 11:43:21
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 19 March 2018, 17:51:25
(The Top Right key IS NOT a novelty for this set, it's just Quantrik's logo, I haven't done that one yet just cause im lazy and gotta figure out the alignment for a 2 line mod.)
It's been stated. Hirigana only sets basically ha e a 0% chance of hitting MOQ, unfortunately.Pretty sure they've already stated that they won't consider separating latin and japanese characters.
Ah my mistake then, I must have missed that in the previous 4 pages of lengthy comments.
edit: Actually I don't think that has been stated. At least I couldn't find it just now when searching.
Wait... didn't the GMK Laser set have a Hiragana only kit? So, doesn't that mean the molds exist and it hit at least MOQ?
The molds absolutely exist, but a better set to look at for numbers is Red Samurai. That set sold 600 base kits, and only managed to sell 94 hiragana only sets.
While i'd be stoked if this set sold that well, I'd feel lucky to hit even half that (300), but that would make hitting the 100 moq for another alpha kit really low.
Any images what the novelties will look like?
I believe they're still being designed
I'm still working on it. I'm not gfx designer and I still have a day job, so just trying to find time in illustrator when I can. I've tried a bunch of things, but nothing yet has been good enough :D.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 26 March 2018, 08:04:25
(https://i.imgur.com/nmyKD8w.png) (https://i.imgur.com/nmyKD8w.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GKBPrwm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/GKBPrwm.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/eU0GDj2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/eU0GDj2.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/UVk2q6j.png) (https://i.imgur.com/UVk2q6j.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Grv7aS2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Grv7aS2.png)
And before anyone even says anything about the blanks in the novelties kit, those are placeholders for the WIP designs that amnesia is putting a ****ton of effort into so that they're great.
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 March 2018, 08:47:12
Post by: soupymeatballs on Mon, 26 March 2018, 09:46:27
Guess what a little bird dropped in my inbox this morning
(https://i.imgur.com/eU0GDj2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/eU0GDj2.png)
And before anyone even says anything about the blanks in the novelties kit, those are placeholders for the WIP designs that amnesia is putting a ****ton of effort into so that they're great.
Is the label wrong on the spacebars? Because right now its showing double off-center green and double center purple.
Post by: Chromatrope on Mon, 26 March 2018, 10:08:37
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 26 March 2018, 11:27:42
Guess what a little bird dropped in my inbox this morning
(https://i.imgur.com/eU0GDj2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/eU0GDj2.png)
And before anyone even says anything about the blanks in the novelties kit, those are placeholders for the WIP designs that amnesia is putting a ****ton of effort into so that they're great.
Is the label wrong on the spacebars? Because right now its showing double off-center green and double center purple.
Oop. Just pretend it's how it should be and it's fine :-[
Would it be possible to get the tertiary sublegends that Serika will be offering on its Hiragana kit?
We'd have to wait for Serika production to be completely finished to do that, and I don't care to do that. Additionally, I don't care about those new legends at all. The majority of them are just putting the same legend on the cap twice(15 new molds, out of that only 6 of them are actually doing anything other than copying the sublegend that's already there) and the consistency of these new legends is laughable. You've got 5 keys in the numrow that don't have the new legends added while the other do, only 2 of the alpha/letter keys have new legends added, and then ;:, '", `~, -_, =+ and \| don't have new sublegends while the other alpha/symbols do. I see it as just an attempt to make that particular set of weeb sublegends more unique now that weeb sublegends are taking off.
Post by: fracno on Mon, 26 March 2018, 12:05:29
(https://i.imgur.com/Mk5mZR1.jpg)
Post by: WilySouser on Mon, 26 March 2018, 13:26:40
Post by: Chromatrope on Mon, 26 March 2018, 13:37:28
We'd have to wait for Serika production to be completely finished to do that, and I don't care to do that. Additionally, I don't care about those new legends at all. The majority of them are just putting the same legend on the cap twice(15 new molds, out of that only 6 of them are actually doing anything other than copying the sublegend that's already there) and the consistency of these new legends is laughable. You've got 5 keys in the numrow that don't have the new legends added while the other do, only 2 of the alpha/letter keys have new legends added, and then ;:, '", `~, -_, =+ and \| don't have new sublegends while the other alpha/symbols do. I see it as just an attempt to make that particular set of weeb sublegends more unique now that weeb sublegends are taking off.
It's not anything arbitrary, those sublegends correspond to JIS input standards, as small variants of certain kana are used as accents. It's the most accurate and comprehensive which is why I find it somewhat appealing.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 26 March 2018, 13:37:57
These colors scream Devastator and the decepticons to me. I'd love a "windows" key with the decepticon logo.
I don't fee like getting a C&D from Hasbro :P
Post by: sth on Tue, 27 March 2018, 01:22:56
These colors scream Devastator and the decepticons to me. I'd love a "windows" key with the decepticon logo.
I don't fee like getting a C&D from Hasbro :P
if you ran this on massdrop, they could probably license it (see: the scrabble keyboard that... somebody wanted?)
Post by: P1kas on Tue, 27 March 2018, 02:23:40
Regardless, this isn't running on MassDrop.
Post by: midnight2903 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 02:24:14
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Tue, 27 March 2018, 10:23:46
And that set was created by someone with a LOT influence, so i don't think donut and amnesia would have nearly as easy of a time.These colors scream Devastator and the decepticons to me. I'd love a "windows" key with the decepticon logo.
I don't fee like getting a C&D from Hasbro
if you ran this on massdrop, they could probably license it (see: the scrabble keyboard that... somebody wanted?)
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 13:04:51
Post by: Blaise170 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 14:08:51
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 14:10:11
(https://i.imgur.com/f7LBrN7.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/f7LBrN7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MhsWrHK.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/MhsWrHK.jpg)
These are showing one of our wip novelty designs
Also, small note, I forgot to mention I'm adjusting split backspace to be "Backspace" instead of the big arrow, numpad/ will become ÷, and numpad* will become ×, just some small aesthetic updates.
You know, at first I wasn't really interested but after seeing your mockups on Deskthority I actually like it more than I expected. Depending on final price I would likely be interested in the set.
We're really hoping to hit a similar price point to GMK BoB seeing as we're keeping the base kit to only two colors.
Post by: sth on Tue, 27 March 2018, 16:10:24
Show Image
Figured I'd post these cause they look aweome
(https://i.imgur.com/f7LBrN7.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/f7LBrN7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MhsWrHK.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/MhsWrHK.jpg)
These are showing one of our wip novelty designs
Also, small note, I forgot to mention I'm adjusting split backspace to be "Backspace" instead of the big arrow, numpad/ will become ÷, and numpad* will become ×, just some small aesthetic updates.
You know, at first I wasn't really interested but after seeing your mockups on Deskthority I actually like it more than I expected. Depending on final price I would likely be interested in the set.
We're really hoping to hit a similar price point to GMK BoB seeing as we're keeping the base kit to only two colors.
Will it be
Back
Space
or Backspace
?
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 16:15:37
Will it be
Back
Space
or Backspace
?
Hoping for Backspace since it should fit, but I haven't looked to see if it actually worked for other sets.
Post by: sth on Tue, 27 March 2018, 18:22:36
Will it be
Back
Space
or Backspace
?
Hoping for Backspace since it should fit, but I haven't looked to see if it actually worked for other sets.
it may technically fit but the margins might be weird.
Back
Space
looks really good in the heavy industry renders :)
Post by: WilySouser on Wed, 28 March 2018, 13:53:21
I don't fee like getting a C&D from Hasbro :P
For now we're trying to make novelties for the set that feel right for the inspiration and avoid any issues from anyone that actually has any sort of claim into what we're doing, legal or otherwise.
Fair enough. Still digging it, I'll just have carve a Decepticon logo into a key :)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 28 March 2018, 16:53:57
I don't fee like getting a C&D from Hasbro :PFor now we're trying to make novelties for the set that feel right for the inspiration and avoid any issues from anyone that actually has any sort of claim into what we're doing, legal or otherwise.
Fair enough. Still digging it, I'll just have carve a Decepticon logo into a key :)
Lol. Me too... me too... I wish it was more doable. But hasbro has stacks of lawyers.
It’s much more what I think of when I see the colors too.
Post by: avid on Wed, 28 March 2018, 18:38:24
I don't fee like getting a C&D from Hasbro :PFor now we're trying to make novelties for the set that feel right for the inspiration and avoid any issues from anyone that actually has any sort of claim into what we're doing, legal or otherwise.
Fair enough. Still digging it, I'll just have carve a Decepticon logo into a key :)
Lol. Me too... me too... I wish it was more doable. But hasbro has stacks of lawyers.
It’s much more what I think of when I see the colors too.
Have you tried to contact them and ask for permission, simular to the lambda symbol from valve for carbon.
Post by: nu_types on Wed, 28 March 2018, 21:12:29
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 28 March 2018, 21:30:59
I've noticed this with the GMK Laser renders, and I'm noticing it again here with the GMK renders that you have.... The G is spurred. Is that really going to be the case? I like it a lot more than the normal G that GMK uses. Can you confirm this Donut?
Afaik it will be using GMK's normal doubleshot legend, which should be the non-spurred G I'm looking at on sets.
Have you tried to contact them and ask for permission, simular to the lambda symbol from valve for carbon.
At this time I'm not interested in the process of requesting the usage of a
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 13:36:21
(https://i.imgur.com/5Lnis4b.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5Lnis4b.png)
Keys that were DY on V2 have been changed to CR on V2 since we think the look is better, and it incorporates some of the black elements of 01's design. There are 3 distinct novelty molds that we're using with all 3 colors getting access to 2 of them. We didn't do the 3rd mold in the orange because we didn't think it looked very good in the CR and V2, and flavorfully the logo that design is based off of only shows up in purple and green on 01's design, so we felt it would look best to do it that way. We have included the orange code and control keys tho for proper accent color distribution.
Post by: rioc on Fri, 30 March 2018, 05:03:02
Post by: Chromatrope on Fri, 30 March 2018, 05:09:31
wow, these novelties are some half-ass ****... seriously hope this is a wip or an early april fools joke
They're placeholder text indicating what novelty is going to go there, if you scroll through the last 2(3?) pages of the thread you'll see some actual designs
Post by: Blaise170 on Fri, 30 March 2018, 09:18:11
Post by: sth on Fri, 30 March 2018, 22:35:58
wow, these novelties are some half-ass ****... seriously hope this is a wip or an early april fools joke
BOOM
****IN GOT YOU MAN
Post by: keebwarrior on Fri, 30 March 2018, 22:52:34
Post by: P1kas on Sat, 31 March 2018, 00:02:50
They want to keep the total amount of kits as low as possible to maximize the chances of a successful group buy.
Post by: p_blaze on Sat, 31 March 2018, 00:40:19
Post by: P1kas on Sat, 31 March 2018, 01:09:44
Maybe should keep those blank for future mockups just to avoid confusion
Post by: rioc on Sat, 31 March 2018, 02:17:07
wow, these novelties are some half-ass ****... seriously hope this is a wip or an early april fools joke
They're placeholder text indicating what novelty is going to go there, if you scroll through the last 2(3?) pages of the thread you'll see some actual designs
yeah, I was also talking about those designs...
again, the gaijin alphas available separate too would be cool... then I could just get those and mix and match with upcoming gmk troubled minds...
Post by: Geek Maker on Sat, 31 March 2018, 03:03:24
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 31 March 2018, 04:43:39
wow, these novelties are some half-ass ****... seriously hope this is a wip or an early april fools joke
They're placeholder text indicating what novelty is going to go there, if you scroll through the last 2(3?) pages of the thread you'll see some actual designs
yeah, I was also talking about those designs...
again, the gaijin alphas available separate too would be cool... then I could just get those and mix and match with upcoming gmk troubled minds...
And again, a separate alphas kit is not viable for things that aren’t on massdrop. We are also not interested in a non Japanese version of the set and selling just mods and alphas separately with no complete base kit raises prices for everyone for the benefit of almost no one.
As to the novelties, I’ve said quite a few times I’m not a graphics designer and this is well outside my wheelhouse, I’m slowly getting better in illustrator but I have a day job and there is no magic to just suddenly get good at art. There is also only so much that can be done within the constraints of a gmk novelty. If you are disappointed with the novelties you are more than welcome to design better ones yourself.
They are not important to me. I’m doing the best that I can with little to no feedback and a very limited range of options. I don’t really want to just cover the board with random Eva trash. To me the color theme would be Eva 1, not the show itself. If there is something you want to see... SAY WHAT. If there is something specific you dislike, say that. Generic thread****ting helps no one.
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 31 March 2018, 21:18:11
That is not the final novelty... EVA1 is merely a placeholder for a future design.
Maybe should keep those blank for future mockups just to avoid confusion
I kept them blank before and people complained that the novelty kit "didn't have any novelty designs" in it. Now I add the placeholder text and someone things those are supposed to be the novelty design. No matter what I do, there's gonna be someone that thinks I'm wrong or should do something different.
Post by: P1kas on Sat, 31 March 2018, 21:31:04
Post by: benjoewoo on Sun, 08 April 2018, 16:33:03
Post by: Sifo on Sun, 08 April 2018, 17:01:15
Post by: Anaconda on Mon, 09 April 2018, 22:34:23
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 10 April 2018, 09:56:56
Post by: jimirolln on Tue, 10 April 2018, 11:25:47
Post by: Rumblehotep on Tue, 10 April 2018, 14:23:52
Post by: RealLaugh on Tue, 10 April 2018, 15:43:36
i prefer the troubled mind cw to this...feels like a bland knock off...i am not interested...and usually i don't reply to ic's i am not interested in...but i have recently learned the folly of my ways...so i am on a quest to make known my eval of interest for all ic's whether for or against since op's can't tell whether or not they are reaching the appropriate amount of interest with out knowing the actual amount of non interest
I agree with this statement if you take into account the green modifier kit.
The standalone purple kit is what I think looks awesome and what I am in for.
The community will decide if this is flying too close to the sun in terms of any existing CW or if indeed the demand for a purple base kit is enough for MOQ.
Either way, great job on this kit, I think it looks awesome and am happy that it will benefit from the Laser molds.
Not trying to discount your opinion or you weighing in on the IC.
Post by: jimirolln on Wed, 11 April 2018, 13:22:55
i prefer the troubled mind cw to this...feels like a bland knock off...i am not interested...and usually i don't reply to ic's i am not interested in...but i have recently learned the folly of my ways...so i am on a quest to make known my eval of interest for all ic's whether for or against since op's can't tell whether or not they are reaching the appropriate amount of interest with out knowing the actual amount of non interest
I agree with this statement if you take into account the green modifier kit.
The standalone purple kit is what I think looks awesome and what I am in for.
The community will decide if this is flying too close to the sun in terms of any existing CW or if indeed the demand for a purple base kit is enough for MOQ.
Either way, great job on this kit, I think it looks awesome and am happy that it will benefit from the Laser molds.
Not trying to discount your opinion or you weighing in on the IC.
no your good...and i agree about the mono purp...i was givn donut a playful ribbn over some ish on another topic...but it is just my feels on interest...some don't feel the same...thats cool...read the yellow on black thread to understand...no hard feelz...glwgb donut
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 13 April 2018, 16:29:06
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 13 April 2018, 20:13:47
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Fri, 13 April 2018, 22:27:34
(https://i.imgur.com/MhsWrHK.jpg)
makes me want this one.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 13 April 2018, 23:27:02
I have no plans for troubled minds or mitolet or whatever similar purple and green colored sets, but this render alone:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MhsWrHK.jpg)
makes me want this one.
I for one still 100% want to try and make the set happen, it's just not a good time. And at the speed GMK is going we would have to just take what we have and run, not take the time to really dial in the kits and find the best options.
Post by: Anaconda on Fri, 13 April 2018, 23:52:12
Post by: BserLarry on Sat, 14 April 2018, 01:07:48
Post by: BserLarry on Sat, 14 April 2018, 01:27:04
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 14 April 2018, 02:19:24
OP, have you considered JTK instead of GMK? Seems like this set is more for the purposes of the colorway over theme anyways.
I have 0 interest in JTK and JTK does not have hiragana legends which are the entire point.
Post by: SolidCactus on Sat, 14 April 2018, 03:06:09
Post by: BserLarry on Sat, 14 April 2018, 03:59:14
Post by: Darknight00z on Sat, 14 April 2018, 12:13:48
I have no plans for troubled minds or mitolet or whatever similar purple and green colored sets, but this render alone:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MhsWrHK.jpg)
makes me want this one.
Second
Post by: avid on Sat, 14 April 2018, 13:55:08
Post by: a_ak57 on Sat, 14 April 2018, 20:29:11
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 18 April 2018, 14:39:09
(https://i.imgur.com/Y9JphHM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Y9JphHM.png)
Base Kit - needs scooped numpad5
(https://i.imgur.com/HqFGhRu.png) (https://i.imgur.com/HqFGhRu.png)
Spacebar Kit - final
(https://i.imgur.com/4Kcp8E6.png) (https://i.imgur.com/4Kcp8E6.png)
AE Mods Kit - should be final
(https://i.imgur.com/lgYhaYC.png) (https://i.imgur.com/lgYhaYC.png)
40% Kit - should be final
(https://i.imgur.com/R8y27z6.png) (https://i.imgur.com/R8y27z6.png)
Novelty Kit - needs tweaking, the esc might be changed, the 01 needs to be resized to fill the cap
As you might be able to tell, some of our communication on the novelty kit didn't hit quite where it should have, easy fix tho.
I would also like to point something out. A big part of why we're struggling on this is dealing with GMK's timing. Out of these "new" mockups, the novelty kit is marked 4-12(6 days ago), the AE mods and base are marked 4-10(8 days ago), the spacebars 4-09(11 days ago) all of which we've been waiting on updates for up at this point. Ignoring a bit of misunderstanding in the beginning of our convo on this set, the rest of the communication has been difficult to work with.
(https://i.imgur.com/v1jwZyg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/v1jwZyg.png)
I'm not trying to blame anyone in particular, I'd just like to demonstrate that though we've been working hard to try and make this set happen, it's difficult to do so when situations like this dig into your timeline and keep pushing you back. And now we have to submit some changes and potentially deal with waiting a week or more for them.
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 18 April 2018, 16:38:31
Post by: young_won on Wed, 18 April 2018, 20:13:46
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Wed, 18 April 2018, 23:21:20
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Thu, 19 April 2018, 01:31:21
40% kit: it's a little weird to offer both R2 Tab and Esc but only have an R3 Tab. Should there be both R3 tab and esc? The default planck layout has R2 Tab and R3 Esc, but looking at staggered 40% boards like the Minivan, R2 tab or esc seem to be equally common.I'm pretty sure the only human alive that uses R2 tab on 40% is Jack Humbert, who created the layout.
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Thu, 19 April 2018, 03:20:41
40% kit: it's a little weird to offer both R2 Tab and Esc but only have an R3 Tab. Should there be both R3 tab and esc? The default planck layout has R2 Tab and R3 Esc, but looking at staggered 40% boards like the Minivan, R2 tab or esc seem to be equally common.I'm pretty sure the only human alive that uses R2 tab on 40% is Jack Humbert, who created the layout.
I do too. X(
Mostly to keep the keys consistent with my 60%-75% boards, since tab is next to Q on them and Caps Lock is mapped to Control. I map my R3 Escape to Ctrl (hold) + Esc (tap) on my planck, so for someone like me an R3 Control would be nice. Of course, no group buy runner in their right mind would want to charge the rest of the buyers the GMK custom legend fee for someone like me. So I get by with the (what I thought was standard) "standard" R3 Esc. Or R3 blank, or R3 icon.
Just a thought. I really regret not trying to convince Garrett to offer text Lower and Raise on GMK 9009's ortho kit. The very large arrows are quite distracting to my eyes. So I figured this time I would pipe up.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 20 April 2018, 12:52:40
(https://i.imgur.com/G4x3l65.png) (https://i.imgur.com/G4x3l65.png)
And we finally have pricing back from GMK, unfortunately it's not what we were really wanting or expecting it to be, so we're seeing what that's about and if we need to adjust kits a little. Spacebar and 40% kits are actually pretty well priced, novelties as well looking at the number of designs and total keys. If we could get the base and ae mods down by $10 or more we'd be happier though.
Post by: Anaconda on Mon, 14 May 2018, 19:33:16
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 14 May 2018, 22:49:05
Post by: young_won on Mon, 14 May 2018, 23:48:40
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 20 May 2018, 16:07:23
Setting a halfway firm launch date of late July for launching this. Should be a nice break from purple between now and then and be the nice break the set needs to get all the support it can.
Post by: sth on Mon, 21 May 2018, 18:49:18
I dropped $300+ on the holy grail of Eva sets and will have to back out. Wishing you all the luck and will advertise the **** out of this set to weeb friends when it launches.
enjoy your good feeling of oemness.
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 21 May 2018, 20:40:47
I dropped $300+ on the holy grail of Eva sets and will have to back out. Wishing you all the luck and will advertise the **** out of this set to weeb friends when it launches.
enjoy your good feeling of oemness.
it's bootleg cherry profile.
pbt > abs any day
Post by: SolidCactus on Tue, 22 May 2018, 04:21:31
Update 5/20/18
Setting a halfway firm launch date of late July for launching this. Should be a nice break from purple between now and then and be the nice break the set needs to get all the support it can.
Glad to hear it! I'm still ready and waiting to pick this one up when it's out.
Post by: zekkin on Fri, 25 May 2018, 18:51:44
I do not have specific kit modifications to suggest at this very moment but I wanted to get my thoughts down before it slips my mind and I'm kicking myself in a few months. I'll play around with some stuff and come back with an idea.
Edit: Actually, I think inverting some (if not all) of the orange keys would take care of this quite nicely.
Post by: 1Weeb on Wed, 30 May 2018, 20:23:10
Post by: Remsky on Wed, 30 May 2018, 22:24:18
I will break sh*t if this set does not go through, either that or I'll take out a loan just to fulfill the MOQ.Well, username checks out :shrug:
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Thu, 31 May 2018, 02:22:45
I know this is sort of late in the game, but I'd really love to see some black keys in the set. While EVA 01 is heavily purple and green, the other biggest portion of the mech's body is black.
I do not have specific kit modifications to suggest at this very moment but I wanted to get my thoughts down before it slips my mind and I'm kicking myself in a few months. I'll play around with some stuff and come back with an idea.
Edit: Actually, I think inverting some (if not all) of the orange keys would take care of this quite nicely.
Well son of a gun. That's what's been missing all this time from these unit 01 keysets. The alternative option would be to get some black cherry blanks and strategically place them where necessary, but I love the idea of including it in the original set.
Post by: goodman247 on Thu, 31 May 2018, 23:23:39
Post by: LDobler on Thu, 31 May 2018, 23:31:26
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 01 June 2018, 02:12:00
I know this is sort of late in the game, but I'd really love to see some black keys in the set. While EVA 01 is heavily purple and green, the other biggest portion of the mech's body is black.
I do not have specific kit modifications to suggest at this very moment but I wanted to get my thoughts down before it slips my mind and I'm kicking myself in a few months. I'll play around with some stuff and come back with an idea.
Edit: Actually, I think inverting some (if not all) of the orange keys would take care of this quite nicely.
Well son of a gun. That's what's been missing all this time from these unit 01 keysets. The alternative option would be to get some black cherry blanks and strategically place them where necessary, but I love the idea of including it in the original set.
I actually did a render kinda like that a while ago:
(https://i.imgur.com/dzY7r2i.jpg)
Couldn't decide if i liked it, but i do liek the idea of black. Main issue is just avoiding increasing costs much/if any. But swapping a few keys might be doable.
Post by: zekkin on Fri, 01 June 2018, 09:08:18
I know this is sort of late in the game, but I'd really love to see some black keys in the set. While EVA 01 is heavily purple and green, the other biggest portion of the mech's body is black.
I do not have specific kit modifications to suggest at this very moment but I wanted to get my thoughts down before it slips my mind and I'm kicking myself in a few months. I'll play around with some stuff and come back with an idea.
Edit: Actually, I think inverting some (if not all) of the orange keys would take care of this quite nicely.
Well son of a gun. That's what's been missing all this time from these unit 01 keysets. The alternative option would be to get some black cherry blanks and strategically place them where necessary, but I love the idea of including it in the original set.
I actually did a render kinda like that a while ago:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/dzY7r2i.jpg)
Couldn't decide if i liked it, but i do liek the idea of black. Main issue is just avoiding increasing costs much/if any. But swapping a few keys might be doable.
I think we were discussing this in Discord recently and I definitely remembered that render but could not find it. In my opinion the black keys bring everything together to make a truly EVA-01 inspired set.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 01 June 2018, 10:42:13
Post by: zekkin on Fri, 01 June 2018, 12:44:31
Yeah, adding some black into the accents kit could be done. It's already there on the orange keys, so price shouldn't go up much for just a couple of them.
That sounds awesome. My goal is not to rock the boat, but to have a great Evangelion themed set (looking at you SA Berserk >:D) and the black keys will bring everything together for me.
Post by: kyoumau on Fri, 01 June 2018, 13:52:21
I would like to see some green on black or purple on black for some novelties :D.
Yeah, adding some black into the accents kit could be done. It's already there on the orange keys, so price shouldn't go up much for just a couple of them.
That sounds awesome. My goal is not to rock the boat, but to have a great Evangelion themed set (looking at you SA Berserk >:D) and the black keys will bring everything together for me.
What happened with SA
I'm lovin' it mine :)
Post by: zekkin on Fri, 01 June 2018, 14:06:11
Great! I really like this set, instant buy (I just hope to have enough cash to buy the green modifiers too).
I would like to see some green on black or purple on black for some novelties :D.Yeah, adding some black into the accents kit could be done. It's already there on the orange keys, so price shouldn't go up much for just a couple of them.
That sounds awesome. My goal is not to rock the boat, but to have a great Evangelion themed set (looking at you SA Berserk >:D) and the black keys will bring everything together for me.
What happened with SAmcdonaldsBerserk? Didn't you like it?
I'm lovin' it mine :)
It clinged too much to the orange in the set as a main accent rather than just having one or two keys. As I understand it, Berserk was primarily meant to be a set inspired by EVA-02 -- which, just like EVA-01, has a large portion of black on its body. The Evangelion novelties were great, but really lacked in the EVA-02 coloring department.
In my opinion SA Berserk only represents Evangelion in name and that's it. It'd be more accurate to call it SA Iron Man because that's what the colors really end up making it look like.
Post by: zalhera on Fri, 01 June 2018, 17:29:20
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Tue, 05 June 2018, 22:19:30
I know this is sort of late in the game, but I'd really love to see some black keys in the set. While EVA 01 is heavily purple and green, the other biggest portion of the mech's body is black.
I do not have specific kit modifications to suggest at this very moment but I wanted to get my thoughts down before it slips my mind and I'm kicking myself in a few months. I'll play around with some stuff and come back with an idea.
Edit: Actually, I think inverting some (if not all) of the orange keys would take care of this quite nicely.
Well son of a gun. That's what's been missing all this time from these unit 01 keysets. The alternative option would be to get some black cherry blanks and strategically place them where necessary, but I love the idea of including it in the original set.
I actually did a render kinda like that a while ago:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/dzY7r2i.jpg)
Couldn't decide if i liked it, but i do liek the idea of black. Main issue is just avoiding increasing costs much/if any. But swapping a few keys might be doable.
That render is excellent! Very exciting if it is easy to include.
Post by: 1Weeb on Wed, 06 June 2018, 22:22:49
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Post by: godlikekitten on Wed, 06 June 2018, 22:40:46
Post by: zap2oz on Wed, 06 June 2018, 22:52:50
Post by: Dennyroxsox on Thu, 07 June 2018, 08:29:56
Post by: LDobler on Thu, 07 June 2018, 10:52:49
New mockup for the novelty kit
(https://i.imgur.com/G4x3l65.png) (https://i.imgur.com/G4x3l65.png)
And we finally have pricing back from GMK, unfortunately it's not what we were really wanting or expecting it to be, so we're seeing what that's about and if we need to adjust kits a little. Spacebar and 40% kits are actually pretty well priced, novelties as well looking at the number of designs and total keys. If we could get the base and ae mods down by $10 or more we'd be happier though.
How much was the original quote for the base set? if you don't mind me asking ofc.
Post by: EternalD on Sun, 10 June 2018, 03:37:14
Love the render, but wouldn't it be better if the spacebar was orange? Since it would make sense based off of where the orange part actually is. The green modifiers are perfect though.Seeing this figure makes me want to agree with you, but I’m instead drawn to the issue with the presence of black on the mech. Juggling colors that are this vibrant is difficult, and overcommitment to anything besides the green or purple could result in a unbalanced palate.
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Considering this, and acknowledging how late into the process I am for this input, I think an orange space bar is hardly an unreasonable thing to ask as an alt to come with the set, maybe even being present in the space at kit. However, I think the presence of black needs to be seen. Maybe just a black case?
Post by: BserLarry on Sun, 10 June 2018, 21:49:21
Is this keyset compatible w K70 using just the purple mods? (Excluding the 6.5u spacebar)
Post by: maybebabe on Sun, 10 June 2018, 22:17:30
And if I recall correctly, GMK doesn't have 6.5u mold.
Hello!
Is this keyset compatible w K70 using just the purple mods? (Excluding the 6.5u spacebar)
Post by: kyoumau on Sun, 10 June 2018, 22:20:11
Hello!
Is this keyset compatible w K70 using just the purple mods? (Excluding the 6.5u spacebar)
Yeah, it should be. There are 2 1.5u controls and like 7 keys that you can use in the 1u.
Post by: BserLarry on Sun, 10 June 2018, 22:42:54
Post by: goodman247 on Mon, 25 June 2018, 22:44:13
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 26 June 2018, 00:15:37
Hi, just hoping to see if there are any updates on this set :) I've pre-order the Kira and really hoping to put this set on it.
Nothing to update on currently, focusing on other sets and while poking at the kits a little.
Post by: Anaconda on Tue, 10 July 2018, 17:58:49
Post by: strevino on Fri, 03 August 2018, 09:34:31
Post by: SolidCactus on Fri, 03 August 2018, 09:46:19
Post by: 9999hp on Fri, 03 August 2018, 11:55:25
Post by: blakstealth on Fri, 03 August 2018, 14:36:14
Still waiting on this. Hopefully this happens sooner than later.aw man, I would've loved a NERV logo!
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 03 August 2018, 17:09:10
Post by: soupymeatballs on Wed, 22 August 2018, 20:18:24
Will Alphas without Japanese legends be available? Thank you so much.
DonutCat has said he does not want to do this as it would take away from the theme of the set
Post by: digid3ar on Wed, 22 August 2018, 23:56:45
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sun, 02 September 2018, 17:50:30
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 02 September 2018, 19:15:49
Really hope the set takes off soon, getting a purple ca66 for this!
Might be a little bit, right now my focus is on finishing up Metaverse then making Coniferous happen.
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Tue, 04 September 2018, 04:40:40
(https://i.imgur.com/ltLLBs1.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ltLLBs1.png)
Awesome renders from amnesia, we can only hope the actual set looks as good as these do
It's renders like this that make me glad I always get boards with black cases. So the orange accent mods will have purple text? Instead of black?
e: wait these are older renders. The black text on the more recent kit renders looks great.
Post by: Anaconda on Sat, 22 September 2018, 14:55:07
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 22 September 2018, 20:21:38
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 02 October 2018, 23:17:28
Just something to consider. Nothing at all being said or promised, just a thought that someone was willing to put into picture for me.
Post by: Anaconda on Wed, 03 October 2018, 21:46:57
(https://i.imgur.com/kfrbiX5.png) (https://i.imgur.com/kfrbiX5.png)
Just something to consider. Nothing at all being said or promised, just a thought that someone was willing to put into picture for me.
Changing to SA profile? why. I don't really see the point since troubled minds r2 ran just this year and the colors are almost the same. I would way prefer a eva themed set that i can actually use daily. Also i don't know if anyone has mentioned but i would personally love to see pure hiragana kit like kobe in gmk laser. I understand that it would be a stretch but i would personally love to have both style of alphas.
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Wed, 03 October 2018, 21:57:44
It's almost like you didn't read what he said, Anaconda.(https://i.imgur.com/kfrbiX5.png) (https://i.imgur.com/kfrbiX5.png)
Just something to consider. Nothing at all being said or promised, just a thought that someone was willing to put into picture for me.
Changing to SA profile? why. I don't really see the point since troubled minds r2 ran just this year and the colors are almost the same. I would way prefer a eva themed set that i can actually use daily. Also i don't know if anyone has mentioned but i would personally love to see pure hiragana kit like kobe in gmk laser. I understand that it would be a stretch but i would personally love to have both style of alphas.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 03 October 2018, 22:08:58
(https://i.imgur.com/kfrbiX5.png) (https://i.imgur.com/kfrbiX5.png)
Just something to consider. Nothing at all being said or promised, just a thought that someone was willing to put into picture for me.
Changing to SA profile? why. I don't really see the point since troubled minds r2 ran just this year and the colors are almost the same. I would way prefer a eva themed set that i can actually use daily. Also i don't know if anyone has mentioned but i would personally love to see pure hiragana kit like kobe in gmk laser. I understand that it would be a stretch but i would personally love to have both style of alphas.
Unless you know someone who is gonna just pick up 50 sets it would be a long stretch. No one but massdrop really had much luck with so many kits, and even they aren’t hitting big numbers that much anymore because the GMK market is super competitive now.
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 04 October 2018, 14:28:02
In regards to the alternate alphas idea, like was said it's just not that viable. Already "Gaijin" style alphas are much more popular than the "Kobe" style, and running alternate alphas in sets that aren't established or super popular just leads to a difficult time with hitting MOQ. As it is with this set I'm already considering dropping some of the kits due to the difficulties present in them hitting MOQ and the potential issues down the line from trying to run them anyhow.
Post by: mopaska on Thu, 04 October 2018, 14:49:20
Like I said, that picture doesn't mean that I'm changing the current set, it's just someone offered to make a render of an idea I was spitballing. One thing I've noticed is that I like the color that GMK's renders use more than the actual color DY itself. The render colors are much closer to a lavender or more faded purple that I think looks really good with the strong lime green AE color. As it sits, I may split this idea off into an entirely unrelated set to work on while NGE is on hold due to the absolute GMK market saturation going on, maybe a "Maxkeys Lavender Fields" could be coming sometime soon.
In regards to the alternate alphas idea, like was said it's just not that viable. Already "Gaijin" style alphas are much more popular than the "Kobe" style, and running alternate alphas in sets that aren't established or super popular just leads to a difficult time with hitting MOQ. As it is with this set I'm already considering dropping some of the kits due to the difficulties present in them hitting MOQ and the potential issues down the line from trying to run them anyhow.
Regarding the color, is SP creating the Matt3o elvish set that is currently running on Massdrop? Is the purple in that set more what you were thinking from the GMK render (and thus were disappointed with the actual sample)?
Just spitballing ideas - maybe you could consider a DSA profile NGE.
And just because I'm curious - is it due to longer lead times from SP that no one runs a SP DCS profile set?
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 04 October 2018, 15:04:01
Concerning DCS, it's a little bit the wait time on SP's end, a little bit the price, and a little bit that people just aren't crazy about the profile.
Post by: mopaska on Thu, 04 October 2018, 15:28:06
Those are a bit light for what I'm looking for, I'd have to look through some color cards to really pinpoint what exactly I'm looking for. For NGE I'm happy with the GMK purple since I think it matches the theme, but for a separate set where I just want to go completely custom I'd want to pin down exactly what I'm looking for.
Concerning DCS, it's a little bit the wait time on SP's end, a little bit the price, and a little bit that people just aren't crazy about the profile.
That's something I am confused about. I'm relatively new to this hobby: I thought Cherry profile is DCS.
(http://virtualverbal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Macam-Macam-Profile-Keycaps-Mechanical-Keyboard-02.jpg)
But I can't really find anything (20s of fascinated googling while at work) that gives me concrete measurements on height. GMK is (afaik) using the same equipment to make their keys that Cherry did. SP claims to have modeled its DCS family off of the Cherry caps of the 70s (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-cap-family-specs/ (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-cap-family-specs/)).
Is there a difference in height (specific rows or overall) between SP DCS and GMK?
Post by: soupymeatballs on Thu, 04 October 2018, 18:26:25
Those are a bit light for what I'm looking for, I'd have to look through some color cards to really pinpoint what exactly I'm looking for. For NGE I'm happy with the GMK purple since I think it matches the theme, but for a separate set where I just want to go completely custom I'd want to pin down exactly what I'm looking for.
Concerning DCS, it's a little bit the wait time on SP's end, a little bit the price, and a little bit that people just aren't crazy about the profile.
That's something I am confused about. I'm relatively new to this hobby: I thought Cherry profile is DCS.Show Image(http://virtualverbal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Macam-Macam-Profile-Keycaps-Mechanical-Keyboard-02.jpg)
But I can't really find anything (20s of fascinated googling while at work) that gives me concrete measurements on height. GMK is (afaik) using the same equipment to make their keys that Cherry did. SP claims to have modeled its DCS family off of the Cherry caps of the 70s (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-cap-family-specs/ (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-cap-family-specs/)).
Is there a difference in height (specific rows or overall) between SP DCS and GMK?
If you look at the picture you linked, you'll see that the F row on DCS is significantly higher than the number row, whereas GMK/Cherry has the same hight/profile for its number row as it does for its F row. Additionally, something that is not seen in this photo is that DCS has rounded corners whereas GMK has hard/sharp corners. Just an aesthetic preference in that regard. Also, GMK is thicker than DCS iirc. Welcome to the hobby btw! It's a slippery slope but very fun.
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Fri, 05 October 2018, 00:24:49
Post by: darthzero on Fri, 05 October 2018, 01:13:04
Has the gmk saturation shown any signs of clearing up? I just wonder the what the most opportune time to release this looks like. Maybe when sets like Calm Depths are finished? Nothing else besides that and GMK Wavez have caught my eye.Chocolatier, DMG, Carbon, Skidata and there are a few others on hold too. Also nautilus nightmare and the Japanese soccerteam thingy from zambu...
And til all this ran, 15 more ICs will pop up... and oblivion and probably r2 nautilus (and I didn’t include anything originative...).
Imho (and i said this ~a year ago too) there is no „good time“ to launch a gmk set and be the only one and can get away with a less liked/hyped set.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 05 October 2018, 14:06:32
Post by: BlackInk on Tue, 09 October 2018, 10:15:30
The best time would have been back the beginning of summer when we had hype built up for it, but GMK communication delays ended up getting in the way of that. Right now it's just a waiting game while I sit back and poke kits a little, which is why I thought that perhaps running a similar colorway through Maxkeys would help tide people over who were most excited for the colorway itself and not necessarily the theme/legends/profile. Plus I think a cheaper Maxkeys set in the middle of all these pricey SP sets could be a good thing as well.Please stick with GMK
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 09 October 2018, 12:34:18
The best time would have been back the beginning of summer when we had hype built up for it, but GMK communication delays ended up getting in the way of that. Right now it's just a waiting game while I sit back and poke kits a little, which is why I thought that perhaps running a similar colorway through Maxkeys would help tide people over who were most excited for the colorway itself and not necessarily the theme/legends/profile. Plus I think a cheaper Maxkeys set in the middle of all these pricey SP sets could be a good thing as well.Please stick with GMK
Like I said, this set will stick with GMK but until there's a good time to run it I'll be looking into running a similar colorway through Maxkeys.
Post by: NINJER on Wed, 17 October 2018, 07:13:03
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Post by: Anaconda on Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:00:57
Post by: SolidCactus on Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:12:38
Would glady pick up 2 to help MOQ.
Post by: b3nkei on Tue, 12 March 2019, 11:11:11
Post by: fishinaspacesuit on Tue, 12 March 2019, 11:48:30
Post by: SolidCactus on Tue, 12 March 2019, 13:22:40
I still would absolutely love this set.
Would glady pick up 2 to help MOQ.
I'm still here hoping this one goes through!
Post by: urbantheii on Tue, 12 March 2019, 19:57:42
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 13 March 2019, 16:58:50
Keep those two 1.75 spacebars and I am in 100%
Finally, a set for the JD45!
(not being sarcastic, proud JD45 owner checking in)
Post by: vicissitude on Wed, 13 March 2019, 18:44:51
Buy definitely.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 13 March 2019, 19:07:06
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Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 17 March 2019, 06:21:55
Can we get an English dubbed version of this?Subbed or bust
Post by: sakodo on Sun, 17 March 2019, 16:00:56
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 17 March 2019, 16:37:59
Can we get an English dubbed version of this?Subbed or bust
Good man
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 17 March 2019, 20:44:16
Can we get an English dubbed version of this?Subbed or bust
Good man
comes with a 3-ring binder with a bootleg script printout
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Post by: online on Sun, 07 April 2019, 09:32:22
i just really need that spacebar kit..+1 spacebar kit
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