Author Topic: Another gaming topic, boo! (Read 12555 times)

advancedgamer · « **on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 11:34:59 »

hey people, i started this thread to not derail the other big thread.
i'm new here and bought the razer black widow, having mixed feeligns about it. i'm a huge gamer, be it semi-competetitive or just all different kinds of games, so that is the most important thing for me, typing comes next.
about 70/30 ratio.

on the one hand the blackwidow has awesome looks, i love the small key letters and the design, on the other hand it is too loud for my liking, double tapping is not so easy possible since the keys need to get up again before you press them nicely again. typing is good too.

i heard from various sources that red switches are the best for gaming, but hardly produced anymore. next would come browns, they are not as noisy as the blues, so i dunno why razer went for blue switches. there also seem to be clear switches? how are those for gaming? what's DoubleShot?

anyawy i came across these keyboards:

- Cherry G80-3600LYC, it even has red switches!!!
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:8597

- Deck Keyboard The Legend? cherry white keys??
http://www.deckkeyboards.com/

- German Filco Majestouch N-Key rollover
http://keyboardco.com/
which one is this btw?
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_big.asp?PRODUCT=767

- Topre Realforce?
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=791

- the well known cherry g80-3000, with soft tactile, click and linear?
again what i should i look out for?
http://www.cherry.de/deutsch/produkte/office_business_G80-3000.htm

- zowie celeritas, dunno which switches they use

- http://cgi.ebay.at/Cherry-G80-3494-Keyboard-Black-G80-3494-Linear-White-/270602674492?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs
and this one i found on german board, they said the offers legit, somebody oredered it and it worked prefectly fine!!! RED SWITCHES

i'm from germany, so german layout would be good, not 100% necessary

so which of those could you recomment to me? keeping in mind i'm a huge gamer, fps and rts are important

RiGS · « **Reply #1 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 11:42:17 »

Look for steelseries keyboards(6gv2/7g). They have linear black switches and widely avalable in germany for a mainstream price.

bugfix · « **Reply #2 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 11:46:09 »

I just bought the Topre you've listed and while it's a great keyboard for typing, I would prefer my DAS for gaming.

It is available at a German webstore and offers full NKRO. You might not like the switches though, it comes with either Blue or Brown Cherries.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #3 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 11:50:29 »

Lol...Germans are so literal.

"Das Auto". "Das Keyboard".

bugfix · « **Reply #4 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 11:51:57 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;286355

"Das Keyboard".

"Die Tastatur" actually.

advancedgamer · « **Reply #5 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 12:33:10 »

Quote from: bugfix;286354

I just bought the Topre you've listed and while it's a great keyboard for typing, I would prefer my DAS for gaming.

It is available at a German webstore and offers full NKRO. You might not like the switches though, it comes with either Blue or Brown Cherries.

nice! can you explain further why the topre is not that great for gaming?
and i see you're from germany too, ^^
and what about the filco majestouch?
i dunno why but i think i have a thing for it, plus it has PS/2 and USB.

RiGS · « **Reply #6 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 12:37:25 »

Basically most of the listed keyboards has nkro and PS2/USB. Of course Cherry g80-3000 is an exception and I am not sure about the Deck.
Pro gamers prefer linear mx black/red anyway, especially those fps guys.

bugfix · « **Reply #7 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 12:39:11 »

Quote from: advancedgamer;286382

nice! can you explain further why the topre is not that great for gaming?

Well, for one there are the weighted keys. They are great when touch typing, but when you're playing a FPS, you press the 'a' key with your ring finger instead of the pinky which makes the weaker key quite irritating imho.

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and what about the filco majestouch?
i dunno why but i think i have a thing for it, plus it has PS/2 and USB.

I don't have a Filco, but it certainly is a good keyboard as well. The DAS also has both PS2 and USB.

HaaTa · « **Reply #8 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 12:40:45 »

Quote from: bugfix;286391

Well, for one there are the weighted keys. They are great when touch typing, but when you're playing a FPS, you press the 'a' key with your ring finger instead of the pinky which makes the weaker key quite irritating imho.

Uniform weighting FTW!

bugfix · « **Reply #9 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 12:42:18 »

Quote from: HaaTa;286393

Uniform weighting FTW!

I actually love the weighted keys for typing and since that's what I'm mainly doing nowadays...

keyboardlover · « **Reply #10 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 12:45:46 »

I actually like the weighted keys for gaming. The variable weight doesn't really bother me in FPS.

RiGS · « **Reply #11 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 13:12:21 »

For casual gaming it may be ok, but for pro level gaming I doubt.

mattlach · « **Reply #12 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 14:11:10 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;286402

I actually like the weighted keys for gaming. The variable weight doesn't really bother me in FPS.

I do all my gaming on my Model M and I am not bothered by the tactility of the keys.

In the games I play, I have never done any key double tapping so I ahve never found that to be a problem.

In another thread someone suggested that getting the springs from Cherry MX Blacks and replacing the springs in the blues with them would make them feel more like reds, if that is what your going for...

hfcobra · « **Reply #13 on:** Sat, 29 January 2011, 00:19:48 »

Quote from: mattlach;286453

I do all my gaming on my Model M and I am not bothered by the tactility of the keys.

In the games I play, I have never done any key double tapping so I ahve never found that to be a problem.

In another thread someone suggested that getting the springs from Cherry MX Blacks and replacing the springs in the blues with them would make them feel more like reds, if that is what your going for...

you are thinking of the springs from browns and putting them into a black switch.

RiGS · « **Reply #14 on:** Sat, 29 January 2011, 05:05:52 »

Quote from: hfcobra;286765

you are thinking of the springs from browns and putting them into a black switch.

Sticker modded and RO-59 lubed mx black and mx clear switches added with sixty's smooth spring is them are my dream gaming switches for FPS and RTS.

ajx · « **Reply #15 on:** Sat, 29 January 2011, 06:43:41 »

Quote from: mattlach;286453

I do all my gaming on my Model M and I am not bothered by the tactility of the keys.

In the games I play, I have never done any key double tapping so I ahve never found that to be a problem.

In another thread someone suggested that getting the springs from Cherry MX Blacks and replacing the springs in the blues with them would make them feel more like reds, if that is what your going for...

never meeting problem doesnt mean improving performances in game
as he perfectly said, if you are not an huge and skilled player, it will not bother you

ajx · « **Reply #16 on:** Sat, 29 January 2011, 13:44:24 »

hell no i m not talking about myself ,p
being skilled doesnt mean being skilled for cs, cod, wow, sc2
those games which you might win and start to gain prices

woody · « **Reply #17 on:** Sat, 29 January 2011, 16:48:38 »

Pro-gayming.

BaconKnight · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 05:58:39 »

Has anyone here tried both red and black switches for gaming? If so, which do you prefer? I'm talking strictly for gaming, nothing to do with regular typing.

RiGS · « **Reply #19 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 06:21:35 »

This guy tried both for gaming.

BaconKnight · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 06:52:47 »

Thanks for the link. Looks like he slightly prefers the blacks for just pure gaming although he says the reds feel better typing. I think the blacks might suit me better because I game a lot at night when everyone else is sleeping so that's when I'll bust out my alt linear keyboard and it seems like people are saying the light touch of the reds makes it easier to bottom out which will cause more noise than the heavier blacks. Reds might be a good choice for someone who just wants to get one keyboard for both typing and gaming.

RiGS · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 06:54:56 »

I definitely like the blacks for typing as well.

BucklingSpring · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 07:49:56 »

Quote from: RiGS;324857

I definitely like the blacks for typing as well.

It took me a while to get used to them for typing. Painful experience, literally. At the end it was ok.

RiGS · « **Reply #23 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 07:58:19 »

My Steelseries given me pleasure since the day I bought it.
I can't say the same about my Realforce.

BaconKnight · « **Reply #24 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 14:40:20 »

Besides the Filco tenkeyless mx blacks, is there any other mx black keyboard that's tenkeyless? I really like the smaller form factor.

HaveANiceDay · « **Reply #25 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 14:42:07 »

Well, there is the Leopold and the Ducky. Other than that, i'm not aware of any non-2KRO tenkeyless MX Boards.

AgentHeavy · « **Reply #26 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 14:51:54 »

If you want a Realforce for gaming, you need the 55g version but it cost more than keyboards with cherry switchs.
The variable is alright for casual gaming or RPG type of game but for a skilled FPS player you must avoid it.

Chobopants · « **Reply #27 on:** Tue, 05 April 2011, 15:03:48 »

I have a 55g...haven't gamed on it yet. Will hopefully be trying it out at home tonight. I'm honestly a bit skeptical, though.

snowball · « **Reply #28 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 09:45:22 »

Quote from: kalrykh;286867

Pro level gaming...wow How many people out there do you actually think can make enough money from gaming competitions alone to live It's only at that level that you should call yourself professional.

I would say anyone who plays for pay is a pro (per. the Princeton dictionary). It gets weird when you are trying to calculate a "living wage". Where does one draw the line. Food stamps and a few bucks or someone bringing in 300k.

Chobopants · « **Reply #29 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 10:36:18 »

Quote from: snowball;325563

I would say anyone who plays for pay is a pro (per. the Princeton dictionary). It gets weird when you are trying to calculate a "living wage". Where does one draw the line. Food stamps and a few bucks or someone bringing in 300k.

I have always used this definition. In college I averaged around $300/month playing in Warcraft 3 tournaments. I consider myself to have been a semi-pro gamer at that point as I was making more money playing WC3 than working in the philosophy department photocopying books.

I was also winning some of the biggest North American tournaments at the time. It wasn't on the scale of CS or SC1 where you could actually make a living wage at the time but I was at the forefront of that particular game and making ok money playing it.

RiGS · « **Reply #30 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 10:46:20 »

Warcraft 3 is awesome man! I played it since the BETA came out.
That is the most micro intensive game ever.

Chobopants · « **Reply #31 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 11:34:28 »

Yeah man, it's pretty much my fave though I'm learning to really love SC2's more macro intensive style.

snowball · « **Reply #32 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 11:49:16 »

Just got to PIMP

Pylons -- Don't get supply blocked
Income - Spend your money
Minimap -- Watch out!
Production. - Tap your hotkeys - Probes, Upgrades, Structures

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=203113

noodles256 · « **Reply #33 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 11:54:32 »

Quote from: Chobopants;325642

Yeah man, it's pretty much my fave though I'm learning to really love SC2's more macro intensive style.

So your avatar is after archmage, not ezalor.

I feel betrayed...

I made around $80 being a mercenary at my peak in COD2 and COD4, then I found RTS/Dota and I can't go back to FPS

snowball · « **Reply #34 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 12:33:27 »

Any money I've made in TF2 has been spent on hats. DAMN YOU VALVE!

RiGS · « **Reply #35 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 13:08:26 »

I think both microing War3, and marcoing SC2 require a high level of the ability to swith-tasking your attention very rapidly.

I think this flash game is very similar in that aspect, also very challenging.

Try to beat my record!

Chobopants · « **Reply #36 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 13:14:39 »

Quote from: noodles256;325656

So your avatar is after archmage, not ezalor.

I feel betrayed...

I made around $80 being a mercenary at my peak in COD2 and COD4, then I found RTS/Dota and I can't go back to FPS

Haha. Yeah, if my avatar were a DOTA hero it would be Clinkz.

Back when he was awesome in 5.84c he was my boy.

HaveANiceDay · « **Reply #37 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 13:19:36 »

Quote from: Chobopants;325698

Haha. Yeah, if my avatar were a DOTA hero it would be Clinkz. Back when he was awesome in 5.84c he was my boy.

Cheap bastard, burn in hell!
I don't like clinkz

But whatever, it's all about HoN now.

strum4h · « **Reply #38 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 14:30:59 »

Quote from: snowball;325650

Just got to PIMP

Pylons -- Don't get supply blocked
Income - Spend your money
Minimap -- Watch out!
Production. - Tap your hotkeys - Probes, Upgrades, Structures

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=203113

But I play terran =/

Chobopants · « **Reply #39 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 14:40:12 »

Quote from: HaveANiceDay;325703

Cheap bastard, burn in hell!
I don't like clinkz But whatever, it's all about HoN now.

Agreed, HoN is my jam. Hellbringer or Magmus all day.

snowball · « **Reply #40 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 14:46:47 »

Quote from: strum4h;325748

But I play terran =/

Let me fix that then.

Supply Depots
Tanks
Imba
Marauders

Chobopants · « **Reply #41 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 14:55:43 »

Zerglings
Early
Really
Gosu

snowball · « **Reply #42 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 14:57:54 »

I kill two of my drones so I can 4 pool like it's BW. Every. Game.

Chobopants · « **Reply #43 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 14:58:42 »

Pro! Did you see the GSL April Fool's match? It was amazing!

snowball · « **Reply #44 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 15:04:51 »

Yeah, I was a bit surprised. Didn't expect an April fools joke from GOM.

vun · « **Reply #45 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 15:09:49 »

Quote from: Chobopants;325769

Pro! Did you see the GSL April Fool's match? It was amazing!

Loved that, although I was disappointed when they went back to SC2. I was hoping they'd do some BW matches.

weipim · « **Reply #46 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 15:48:20 »

honestly, i think for gaming your bw is really good, I just went from a filco brown mx nkro to a bwu dragon age 2 edition, don't regret it.

Auxint · « **Reply #47 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 17:11:22 »

Quote from: HaveANiceDay;325165

Well, there is the Leopold and the Ducky. Other than that, i'm not aware of any non-2KRO tenkeyless MX Boards.

Noppoo has a version with blacks and nkro with usb.

hfcobra · « **Reply #48 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 18:27:25 »

Quote from: weipim;325796

honestly, i think for gaming your bw is really good, I just went from a filco brown mx nkro to a bwu dragon age 2 edition, don't regret it.

what do you mean by BW? I am too lazy to reread the whole thread to find out, sorry.

vun · « **Reply #49 on:** Wed, 06 April 2011, 18:30:33 »

Quote from: hfcobra;325879

what do you mean by BW? I am too lazy to reread the whole thread to find out, sorry.

Razer BlackWidow I assume.

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Author Topic: Another gaming topic, boo! (Read 12555 times)

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