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Offline Hypersphere

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Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 11:25:11 »
I've also posted this on Deskthority:

https://deskthority.net/other-devices-f3/does-your-ideal-mouse-exist-t12917.html#p286347

I am interested in seeing responses from both sides of the Atlantic. My comments on mice are certainly not proper reviews; they are merely my impressions based largely on the feel and look of the various mice.

Recently, I have been testing mice in an effort to find a suitable replacement for my Razer Deathadder Black Edition (DA BE). The mouse is still going strong, but it is starting to look scruffy from years of use, and it surely must fail eventually. Unfortunately, this mouse is no longer in production and the current Razer products seem not to be built as well.

I am looking for a solidly built large right-handed corded (wired) mouse suitable for my palm grip. I also prefer a good optical sensor (but I could tolerate a laser sensor) and a simple design with no more than 6 to 8 buttons.

After much searching, I am finding it difficult to find a mouse that meets all my expectations. Before embarking on this latest quest, I had never considered doing a mouse mod or a custom build for a mouse, but I am beginning to think this might be necessary in order to get the mouse that I want.

I tried the Razer DA Chroma, but I returned it because the scroll wheel rattles, especially when scrolling upward. Although I would prefer an optical sensor, at the moment my favorite alternative to the DA BE is the Razer Mamba Tournament Edition (TE); it is a laser mouse, but it has most of the characteristics I am seeking, including a quiet scroll wheel. However, the right-hand forward side button rattles, giving the mouse a cheap hollow feel whenever that button is touched. It is also difficult to press the side buttons without momentarily changing my grip.

Many reviews give high marks to the Logitech G502, but in the past I have had bad luck with Logitech mice. In particular, I am not fond of the dual-action scroll wheel whereby you can shift to a freely spinning wheel. I prefer a solidly built rubberized and notched wheel.

Here is a brief summary of mice I have tested recently:

Corsair M65 RGB: Solidly build with an aluminum frame, but I found the sniper button distracting. It also has a laser sensor rather than an optical sensor and it was somewhat too short and low for me.

Ducky Secret Mouse: Innovative construction -- made of PBT with accessible screws so that the mouse can be dismantled without removing the teflon feet or breaking any seals or labels. However, the mouse is too slippery to pick up easily without changing your grip.

Mionix Castor: Good build quality, but a bit too small for me.

Mionix Naos 7000: Good build quality and ergonomic shape, but too smooth to pick up easily without changing your grip.

Razer Deathadder Chroma: Excellent overall, but it has an unacceptably noisy scroll wheel.

Razer Mamba Tournament Edition: Very good overall and my current favorite. Good, quiet scroll wheel that also has horizontal scrolling. However, as noted above, the right-hand forward side button rattles, giving the mouse a cheap hollow feel whenever that button is touched. It is also difficult to press the side buttons without momentarily changing my grip.

Roccat Kone XTD Optical: Feels solid. The best scroll wheel I have ever tried; it also has horizontal scrolling. Unfortunately, the mouse has an ostentatious logo and the clear plastic used for the cosmetic LED stripes has a sticky feel. It is sad that Roccat has allowed purely cosmetic choices to interfere with functional characteristics of the mouse. They make a smaller version (the Kone Pure line) without the LED stripes, but it is too small for my palm grip.

Steelseries Rival 300: Feels solid. Excellent grips and pleasing rubberized surface. Quiet scroll wheel. Definitive switch clicks. Side buttons easy to locate with minimal change in grip; however, the side clicks are a bit loud. The LED lighting is somewhat uneven, and I am not fond of the logo.

Zowie EC1-A (2016 version with red logo): Perhaps the simplest design of all the mice I have tested. Excellent fit for my palm grip. Well-placed buttons (including those on the left side). The understated non-illuminated red logo is my favorite of all the mice I have tested thus far. In keeping with the minimalist design, there is no software. The switch for DPI settings is inconveniently located on the underside of the mouse. The DPI settings are indicated by a change in color of the scroll-wheel LED, and this LED cannot be inactivated. Unfortunately, the left-click switch sticks occasionally when dragging a window, and the surface is a bit too smooth, making it difficult to pick up the mouse without dropping it. The scroll wheel is also somewhat noisy.

Other mice I would like to try include the following (not yet tested):

Asus ROG Gladius: This one has some innovations, including swappable Omron switches and a detachable cable. Unfortunately, it has an illuminated logo with the words, "Republic of Gaming". They should lose the words and just have a symbolic logo. In addition, although it comes with replacement switches and encourages modding, it is necessary to remove the teflon feet to get to the screws. Asus should take a look at the Ducky Secret Mouse, which has completely accessible screws.

Cougar 550M: This one measures 135 x 70 x 45 mm (l x w x h), which I think is the largest of the group (the Rival 300 is close -- 133 x 70 x 45 mm). The size and shape should be to my liking, and reviews indicate that it is solidly built with a sturdy scroll wheel and excellent optical sensor. However, I am not fond of the oversized gaming logo and orange accents in the color scheme.

Gigabyte XM300: This mouse looks great on paper. It is a brand-new entry from Gigabyte that is expected to be available in the US by the end of February 2016. Its dimensions are similar to the Zowie EC1-A.

Some of the above mice would do nicely, but they are not quite ideal. It is tempting to think of what could be done by selecting the best characteristics from several mice and constructing a hybrid. In my case, I would like to take the best optical sensor and install it in a shell with the handsome looks of the Mamba TE, the size and shape of the Cougar 550m, the solid feel of the Rival 300, the sturdy scroll wheel from the Roccat Kone XTD, and the muted red logo from the Zowie. Frankenmouse!

Does your ideal mouse exist, or would you like to have one built to your specifications, like an individually tailored suit?

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 12:53:06 »
You can always change yourself. (You can read that in multiple ways, including "relearn the way you use the interface" or "stop being an elitist snob".)

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 14:02:12 »
Yes.
It's on my desk.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 14:25:01 »
Yes.
It's on my desk.

Basically this, and the ability to adapt when needed.  :))
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 14:42:04 »
Zowie fk1 with a better build quality and scroll wheel. Something that won't **** on my in about a year. 70$ for a mouse and have it crap a year later is really ****ty

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 14:53:06 »
I'd need it tailored, since there's nothing out there with the combination of shape, spec, and feature set that would be "ideal" for me. In fact, shape alone rules out most mice for me, since my grip style is not one that many companies dare to release mice for-- and when they do, they usually give them vastly inferior spec to mice designed for more common grips. Even then, they usually half-@$$ the shape, too, to try and make the mouse friendlier to more common grips.

I don't really care about appearance-- in fact, I reserve the right to laugh at anyone who loses because they bought a "classy" mouse instead of focusing more on performance :p. I just want something with the shape that would maximize control with my grip, a top-level optical sensor and switches, and a few extra buttons to work with. So far, the closest thing I've found is a Team Scorpion Zealot Jr.-- the sensor in that is getting a bit outdated now, and it's only a three-button mouse, but at least the shape is vaguely close to being usable (though it does have a couple of flaws that slightly reduce control in certain directions).
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:12:20 »
Rollermouse Red is doing a pretty good job for me.  However, the Rollermouse is not a good fit for tall vintage keyboards, like beam springs, or split keyboards.  So there are limitations.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:17:15 »
For the longest time I thought it's the Steelseries Sensei wireless. I love it so much that I don't think I can get another good mouse. Then I quit gaming and started to look for something else and I came across the MX Master. Oh my, this thing is really nice. It feels good in the hand and overall just suits me perfect.

I did get a Mionix Castor as well during my recent stay overseas (along with a new laptop) as I got nothing to do and started gaming again. For the price, this mouse is really good and even though it feels very uncomfortable on the first day (hurt my pinkie a lot), I think it's on par if not better than the Sensei.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:56:33 »
nope,
and it never will :(
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 16:42:55 »
The sensor and comfort are the two major points for me. The rest are frills - I don't care about macros, a plethora of buttons, RGB led, and all the other nonsense that is a part of mice these days.

When I was using 800 CPI and lower resolution monitors, the MX518 and later G400 was unbeatable to anything else that I had tried.

At 1600 CPI for 2560x1440 for most purposes, and 800 mostly still for FPS, the Castor has been perfect for me.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 17:55:35 »
nope,
and it never will :(

This^

More picky about mice than I am about keyboards. Competitive FPS gamer for too many years... :p

I have come to really love the 3366 sensor, but the G303 and G502 are both not without faults.
G502 shape is much better, but perhaps a little too wide at the top and not wide enough in the center? just very small things though.
buttons of the G303 are far better than those of G502, but the G303 shape is too flat and narrow up front.

scroll wheel on the G502 is a nightmare, too heavy and painful to scroll with a lot.

it weighs a little too much as well, I prefer my mice under 100grams without cable.
feet are oddly shaped, just simple rounder ones have worked better for me in my experience.

cable braided... catches on edge of mousepad and frays both cable and pad... not flexible enough either.

unnecessary LEDs and all that jazz too, and too many side buttons.

yeah, so, not perfect. the scroll wheel implementation in most mice is horrible. Mionix and Roccat do it really well IMO though, on some of the mice that I've tried.

perhaps I'd love the Castor if it was 3366 sensor instead.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 14 February 2016, 18:08:55 »
Mionix are too infatuated with the 3310 for that to happen. It's understandable, but the 3366 was clearly better when I used the G502.

If Logitech made 3 changes to the G502, they would have the best mouse on the market:

-Flexible braided cable such as what Mionix employs
-G402/G303 mousewheel as a bare minimum, but they have some lessons to learn from Mionix here too
-Redesign the cable guard being used on the current crop of mice - it's absurdly intrusive
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 03:43:32 »
those are very good points. I'd be happy seeing 3360 in the Castor. will be interesting to see what 2016 brings :))

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:46:40 »
Shape and scroll = Logitech Revolution (such a good mouse!)
Internals +  G700s, add battery life and bluetooth.

Lastly, take a trick from Gigabyte and allow easy replacement of the Omron switches. I seem to destroy the left mouse button every 16 months or so. Normally, this isn't a big deal as Logitech or someone else comes out with a  good upgrade, but that seems to have changed now. The first G700 I tried to fix, it didn't go so well.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:34:03 »
Trackball, lightweight, FK1 shaped, 2 macros on a side? Nada.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 16 February 2016, 17:47:36 »
First, I'd like to start with stating that I have different grips for different games. For most games I use a palm grip, but for MOBA's and RTS type games I have a lazy claw grip.

Here are my opinions:

Naos 7000: It would be perfect if it was a little larger. Since it's kind of small it slips out of my hands when I'm using a palm grip. The whole reason I bought it is because I thought it would finally satisfy my need for a true palm grip mouse, but I was pretty disappointed.

Logitech G502: Worst scroll wheel ever. Too clunky and heavy for gaming. Adds a ton of weight to the front of the mouse which completely throws off the balance.

DA: Terrible button quality in every one that I've owned since they switched to the green scheme (including Chroma). Either the left or right click always feels squishy straight out of box. I love the shape, but I feel like the side grips are too small to be an effective palm mouse, and it's too large for me to lazy claw. I like to lift with all my fingers, but only my pinky and thumb are on a grippy spot.

Logitech G303: Near perfect for when I use my lazy claw grip, but the cable guard is too long. It makes the mouse feel somewhat stiff and hard to move, despite the small size and weight. Other than that, I love the G303.

SteelSeries Rival:This used to be my favorite mouse until I broke the scroll wheel. It lasted me about three months of gaming before whatever holds the wheel in place broke, so I can still use the scroll wheel but it tilts to the side sometimes and I have to pop it back into place. Also, the little nubs get kind of annoying. I wish they would have just made it grippy rubber without nubs. I do love the buttons on the Rival. They're quiet, but still responsive and tactile.

Logitech G602: Probably the most comfortable mouse I've used. I love that it's wireless and still functions well for gaming, and on top of that it's optical. The downside to that is it's a little heavy because of the battery. If they made a wired version this would be my ideal mouse.

Roccat Nyth: Ring finger rest is shaped awkwardly. I have to drape my pinky over the side instead of around it like on the Naga. Also the sensor has a weird liftoff bug. Side buttons get in the way.

Razer Naga (2014): I love the shape (probably on par with G602 in comfort), but the side buttons get in the way when playing shooters.

Logitech G400: Used to be my ideal mouse, but the shape has become awkward as my hands have grown.

Sharkoon Fireglider: Nice shape, but it's heavy and slippery.

Mionix Castor: Nice shape, but too small for me.

Razer Abyssus: I liked the original, but the new one is slippery because they went to some weird cheap textured plastic instead of a gloss finish.

Logitech G700s: Too heavy, and I'm not huge on the curves. Laser sensor is pretty good, but I'd prefer optical.

Corsair Sabre: Too wide and kind of slippery.

Corsair M65: I actually love the overall shape, but it's a bit too heavy even with no weights installed. Also, the gaps make it feel really awkward to me. If they'd just fill in and round off those gaps, it would be great.


There is no perfect mouse for me that I've found, and I've tried a lot :(

Sorry for the essay :P
« Last Edit: Wed, 17 February 2016, 00:17:52 by Marizen »

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 17 February 2016, 16:41:19 »
I was trying out mice for a bit then stopped.  My latest experiment is heading back to Amazon.

Current mouse: Logitech G5 (no, not 500 or 500s, G5... it's old but reliable).

Razer Mamba / Mamba Chroma.  In the process of sending this one back to Amazon.  To sum up in two words; too small.  I really want a taller mouse than this.  It's also a bit light with no ability to adjust weight.  Also no on-mouse ability to switch sensitivity.  Last, the mouse buttons curve outward, causing awkward finger locations for my ring and pinky fingers.

Steelseries Sensei.  I kind of like it but I would much prefer something right-hand only and a lot more ergonomic a shape than the old MS shape.  I can handle using one for casual stuff but if I'm gaming heavily, it becomes painful to not have my wrist slanted.

Logitech G700.  Honestly, I'd probably still have this mouse were it not for the thumb buttons on there.  The side of my thumb kept scraping the edge of the side buttons and it became unpleasant after doing that for a little while.  An otherwise comfortable shape.

Looking at:
Logitech G502.  I'm iffy on it, having played with it a bit at Best Buy, so haven't put down money on one at this point.  It also seems to be shorter than I'd prefer.

Steelseries Rival 300.  Played with the old Rival a bit at Best Buy and it feels pretty comfortable.  The rubber erosion issues are supposedly fixed but there were driver issues last I read up on it. 

Zowie EC1-A.  This one seems positive with no special drivers but without being able to get my hands on it and test a bit, I'm reluctant to pull the trigger on it right now.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:05:05 »
Zowie EC1-A.  This one seems positive with no special drivers but without being able to get my hands on it and test a bit, I'm reluctant to pull the trigger on it right now.

Same issue here. I want one really bad, but I'm scared to go for it because I have no way to feel it first. Some people say it's too large, but that's a positive in my book. I find that most mice don't have enough of an arch. Most mice are too small for me to palm grip the way I like to hold it. I've also heard that they are great in terms of performance, but only about average build quality. There has already been a recall since they became BenQ/Zowie. If I were to get one it would have to be previous generation. I've read the switches are stiffer on the older ones, which I like.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:23:19 »
@Marizen: I mostly agree with your assessments of the ones that I have also tested. I haven't tried the original SS Rival, but at the moment I am favoring the SS Rival 300.

Since my original post, I have been able to test the Cougar 550M. I like the size, shape, weight, and switches. The buttons are well placed to enable actuation without shifting hand position. The scroll wheel is smooth and quiet with just enough notched tactility to provide desired feedback. The DPI selector switch works well, and there are functional LEDs to indicate the DPI setting. However, the glide is not as smooth as other mice I have tested -- there is a bit more friction. I am also not too keen on the color scheme, Cougar logo, and cosmetic lighting. The worst thing for me is that the smooth plastic shell gets sticky after just a few seconds of use.

As for the Zowie EC1-A, from what I had read, I expected to like this mouse. To reiterate my previous commetns, I did like the size, shape, and weight along with the switches. I also liked the muted and simple logo. I didn't like the DPI setting on the underside of the mouse and the inability to turn off the LED that illuminates the scroll wheel. My least favorite things about the Zowie were the noisy scroll wheel and slippery surface.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:37:51 »
As for the Zowie EC1-A, from what I had read, I expected to like this mouse. To reiterate my previous commetns, I did like the size, shape, and weight along with the switches. I also liked the muted and simple logo. I didn't like the DPI setting on the underside of the mouse and the inability to turn off the LED that illuminates the scroll wheel. My least favorite things about the Zowie were the noisy scroll wheel and slippery surface.

Ah ya I probably won't get the Zowie then. I don't mind the LED's and I like the idea of no drivers (I use 400, 800, or 1600 depending on the game, so it works perfectly for me), but if it's slippery that's a deal-breaker. It's hard to tell, because a lot of people say the DA is really grippy because of the rubber side grips, but for whatever reason (probably has to do with skin oils or something) it's super slippery for me, and the old glossy surfaces that are all pretty much gone now (because people complained about them being slippery and getting dirty easily) were really grippy for me. So if the Zowie coating is anything like the Naos 7000 coating, I'll avoid it. All the reviews I read for the Naos said it was really grippy because it's all rubber, but it just slips right out of my hand.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 17 February 2016, 20:32:12 »
First, I'd like to start with stating that I have different grips for different games. For most games I use a palm grip, but for MOBA's and RTS type games I have a lazy claw grip.

funnily enough i noticed this with myself as well. i'm still much in the process of discovering which kind of grip/mouse works best for me, depending on the game.
for example how i tend to grip my mouse in CSGO is totally different from when i'm casually playing an RTS.
it likely has something to do with sensitivity, how often i have to lift up the mouse, if i have to make fast swipes, etc.
some games change my entire posture, and naturally also my arm position and in turn the way i grip.

Logitech G400: Used to be my ideal mouse, but the shape has become awkward as my hands have grown.

man, i went through the same. it was pretty shocking to me when i realized that.. i don't really appreciate the G400 anymore ;D
i had even bought a backup one, spare shells, spare feet..
over time i've gradually been lowering my sensitivity, and i suspect that has probably impacted my grip a lot.
for my current grip, the G400 is just too heavy and doesn't feel good when palming it. the left side of the mouse is too high and the thumb-area is very wrong.

Sharkoon Fireglider: Nice shape, but it's heavy and slippery.

this one was pretty comfortable, but i agree it's quite heavy. i rate it low for any serious gaming.
it's also virtually impossible to keep clean, at least without some serious effort. particularly the rubber side grips and the scroll wheel.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 22 February 2016, 20:49:58 »
Trackball, lightweight, FK1 shaped, 2 macros on a side? Nada.
Do you mind if I inquire why you would prefer a lightweight trackball over stocky trackball?
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 22 February 2016, 23:37:16 »
for my current grip, the G400 is just too heavy and doesn't feel good when palming it. the left side of the mouse is too high and the thumb-area is very wrong.

My only real issue with it is the ledge on the right side. There's just no way for me to hold the mouse and have it feel natural. I used to do my middle finger on the scroll wheel and ring finger on the right click, with my pinky under the ledge. That felt great when my hands were skinnier, but now it just feels so cramped. If I move my  middle finger to the right click and my ring finger to on top of the ledge it just feels so weird.

Sadly, the G402, which was supposed to be a replacement (from what I've heard, but I don't really see how because it's shaped nothing like the G400) is even skinnier, so it's even worse for my hands.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 27 February 2016, 00:05:41 »
If only Logitech would make a vertical mouse with a good optical sensor in it and DPI switching.  I'd buy one very quickly to give it a spin.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 29 March 2016, 04:45:55 »
Yes. It's my Avior 7000. It's perfect. For me, it's an intellimouse on steroids: great sensor, great buttons, great grip, braided cable, rom.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 29 March 2016, 05:16:13 »
It's a mythical beast that I am not very confident will ever be found. Loved my MX revolution (especially that scroll wheel, such quality wow) but it had some issues, then got a G9x thinking it would have the same sweet scroll wheel (it didn't), still one of the better mouses I have ever used but still not perfect. Don't know what to replace it with... :( I want something with epic build quality (proper ball bearing scroll wheel) and reasonably simple (I don't need a billion buttons, just some well placed useful ones).

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 30 March 2016, 03:07:48 »
It's a mythical beast that I am not very confident will ever be found. Loved my MX revolution (especially that scroll wheel, such quality wow) but it had some issues, then got a G9x thinking it would have the same sweet scroll wheel (it didn't), still one of the better mouses I have ever used but still not perfect. Don't know what to replace it with... :( I want something with epic build quality (proper ball bearing scroll wheel) and reasonably simple (I don't need a billion buttons, just some well placed useful ones).

It's only skin deep, despite the looks, finish and feel, the actual construction of the newer mice is as good or better than the Revolution (which was great all around), it's a bummer they went the direction they did for the exterior.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 30 March 2016, 05:19:51 »
It's a mythical beast that I am not very confident will ever be found. Loved my MX revolution (especially that scroll wheel, such quality wow) but it had some issues, then got a G9x thinking it would have the same sweet scroll wheel (it didn't), still one of the better mouses I have ever used but still not perfect. Don't know what to replace it with... :( I want something with epic build quality (proper ball bearing scroll wheel) and reasonably simple (I don't need a billion buttons, just some well placed useful ones).

It's only skin deep, despite the looks, finish and feel, the actual construction of the newer mice is as good or better than the Revolution (which was great all around), it's a bummer they went the direction they did for the exterior.


Definitely only skin deep, I think sensors and things like that have been perfectly fine for a while already (especially if we talking wired). Random stops was one of the issues I had with my MX revolution but I believe wireless for the most part is fine these days as well. We need a nice finish with perhaps some options like weight and possibly even grip style.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 30 March 2016, 06:17:03 »
Shape and scroll = Logitech Revolution (such a good mouse!)
Internals +  G700s, add battery life and bluetooth.

Lastly, take a trick from Gigabyte and allow easy replacement of the Omron switches. I seem to destroy the left mouse button every 16 months or so. Normally, this isn't a big deal as Logitech or someone else comes out with a  good upgrade, but that seems to have changed now. The first G700 I tried to fix, it didn't go so well.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 01 April 2016, 16:44:11 »
Something like a Deathadder, but a little sturdier/heavier, and with a thumb grip.

I could care less about looks tbh, since your hand covers your mouse 90% of the time you use a PC.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 01 April 2016, 17:35:12 »
No love for anything from Roccat?
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 01 April 2016, 18:43:51 »
No love for anything from Roccat?
Some companies are just too German :p
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 01 April 2016, 18:54:54 »
Mionix are too infatuated with the 3310 for that to happen. It's understandable, but the 3366 was clearly better when I used the G502.

If Logitech made 3 changes to the G502, they would have the best mouse on the market:

-Flexible braided cable such as what Mionix employs
-G402/G303 mousewheel as a bare minimum, but they have some lessons to learn from Mionix here too
-Redesign the cable guard being used on the current crop of mice - it's absurdly intrusive

Pretty much the only things that I would want changed as well. I'f like it if it was a little lighter but it isn't a big deal.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 04:32:08 »
shell-less g9x with g303 sensor
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 06:27:44 »
Mionix are too infatuated with the 3310 for that to happen. It's understandable, but the 3366 was clearly better when I used the G502.

If Logitech made 3 changes to the G502, they would have the best mouse on the market:

-Flexible braided cable such as what Mionix employs
-G402/G303 mousewheel as a bare minimum, but they have some lessons to learn from Mionix here too
-Redesign the cable guard being used on the current crop of mice - it's absurdly intrusive

Pretty much the only things that I would want changed as well. I'f like it if it was a little lighter but it isn't a big deal.

What's wrong with the 3310? Or is it just that the 3366 is better? Btw.. is that sensor already in other mouses?
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 07:44:42 »
nothing is really wrong with the 3310, but yeah the 3366(3360) is better.
the 3366 is used in the G502, G303, G900. the 3360 is used in the Steelseries Rival 700, Finalmouse Scream One and Corsair M65 Pro.
one more mouse might be announced soon. just maybe.

i also think more mice with the sensor will come out this year, or otherwise the next
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 13:15:07 »
nothing is really wrong with the 3310, but yeah the 3366(3360) is better.
the 3366 is used in the G502, G303, G900. the 3360 is used in the Steelseries Rival 700, Finalmouse Scream One and Corsair M65 Pro.
one more mouse might be announced soon. just maybe.

i also think more mice with the sensor will come out this year, or otherwise the next

Thanks for the heads up. Too bad they made the Logitech so "futuristic" not really my taste. Otherwise I would've immediately bought the G502.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 13:53:35 »
Logitech MX518 / G400.

Why the **** did they discontinue them??? argh

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 14:20:04 »
Logitech MX518 / G400.

Why the **** did they discontinue them??? argh

Life sucks bro. Why did MS stop making the intellimouse? If they'd make a new one I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 01:10:36 »
Logitech MX518 / G400.

Why the **** did they discontinue them??? argh

Life sucks bro. Why did MS stop making the intellimouse? If they'd make a new one I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

same here bro... used one of those IME3.0 that my cousin bought years ago and it was gooding, the ergonomic shape of the slanting body is very good in the hand even for palm/claw hybrid users like me


Can I ask for recommendation here?

Requirements:
- ambidextrous, or if ergonomic, have to be able to use claw gripping
- non-rubberized top coat, because of sweaty palms and cannot stand the rubbery feel of the top coat
- optical instead of laser
- using omron switches because I like them crisp and fast debounce

Currently using Strix Claw, the closet that I can find for my requirement, also have a Gladius NIB, will wait my mouse's middle scrollwheel doubleclicks on me before I open and try that.

Mice I bought and tried:

Razer DeathAdder first gen
Razer Abysus
Logitech G100/ G100S
Logitech G402
Logitech G400
Logitech G700 --------------------- my greatest mistake, sold to my friend after a few months of regret
Microsoft IME3.0
SS Kana v2 ------------------------- secondary
Asus Strix Claw -------------------- primary

Mice bought but not yet used/ tried:

ROG Gladius
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 01:15:33 »

Razer DeathAdder first gen
Razer Abysus
Logitech G100/ G100S
Logitech G402
Logitech G400
Logitech G700 --------------------- my greatest mistake, sold to my friend after a few months of regret
Microsoft IME3.0
SS Kana v2 ------------------------- secondary
Asus Strix Claw -------------------- primary

Mice bought but not yet used/ tried:

ROG Gladius




You already have the best mouse.. G100s..

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 01:18:35 »

Razer DeathAdder first gen
Razer Abysus
Logitech G100/ G100S
Logitech G402
Logitech G400
Logitech G700 --------------------- my greatest mistake, sold to my friend after a few months of regret
Microsoft IME3.0
SS Kana v2 ------------------------- secondary
Asus Strix Claw -------------------- primary

Mice bought but not yet used/ tried:

ROG Gladius




You already have the best mouse.. G100s..
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but... but... it's so light!!!  :eek:

Okay... probably I missed one of my requirement, it has to have some weight in it. Don't have to have adjustable weights, just heavy is good enough.
I like them hefty mice, any thoughts?
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 01:31:44 »


You already have the best mouse.. G100s..
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but... but... it's so light!!!  :eek:

Okay... probably I missed one of my requirement, it has to have some weight in it. Don't have to have adjustable weights, just heavy is good enough.
I like them hefty mice, any thoughts?


Well, if you like heavy, the obvious choice is G502

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 01:39:31 »


You already have the best mouse.. G100s..
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but... but... it's so light!!!  :eek:

Okay... probably I missed one of my requirement, it has to have some weight in it. Don't have to have adjustable weights, just heavy is good enough.
I like them hefty mice, any thoughts?


Well, if you like heavy, the obvious choice is G502

hmm.... this one.... okay, I can go research more about it.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 01:49:07 »
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 01:59:54 »
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).

dahhh... buhhh..

I got nothing against the Duck S

But I am not yet convinced they have the engineering expertise/experience in the mouse arena to produce as refined a product as Logitech..


They may be able to snap parts together, but there are many details which merely take time to master. And the Duck S being their very first foray, is imho not an ideal choice, given the option of a G502..


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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 02:25:04 »
Anyone have experience with a G502 vs G9x? I'm very much a claw grip. Also any comment on the G502's scrollwheel? For reference my fav scroll wheel is on the MX revolution.

Thinking of maybe replacing my G9x with a G502 but not totally convinced yet.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 02:47:52 »
dahhh... buhhh..

I got nothing against the Duck S

But I am not yet convinced they have the engineering expertise/experience in the mouse arena to produce as refined a product as Logitech..


They may be able to snap parts together, but there are many details which merely take time to master. And the Duck S being their very first foray, is imho not an ideal choice, given the option of a G502..

i'm with you, but he's asking for a claw-grippable mouse without rubberized parts..
the G502 might be claw-grippable, but only for a handful of big-handed people i think. and it has soft-touch coating, which feels similar to rubberized.

in terms of performance i'd absolutely recommend the G502, but not everyone's a performance freek :-)

Anyone have experience with a G502 vs G9x? I'm very much a claw grip. Also any comment on the G502's scrollwheel? For reference my fav scroll wheel is on the MX revolution.

Thinking of maybe replacing my G9x with a G502 but not totally convinced yet.

i don't own a G502, but these shapes have nothing in common.
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i think it's safe to say that liking the G9x says nothing about whether you'd like the G502, it's a totally different shape.
that doesn't mean you will dislike the G502, but you certainly will have to grip differently.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 03:28:12 »


You already have the best mouse.. G100s..
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but... but... it's so light!!!  :eek:

Okay... probably I missed one of my requirement, it has to have some weight in it. Don't have to have adjustable weights, just heavy is good enough.
I like them hefty mice, any thoughts?


Well, if you like heavy, the obvious choice is G502

G900 is even heavier if you can afford it.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 03:28:49 »
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).

But dat plastic on the side where the leds **** their light out... that feels just wrong man. But perhaps not everybody find that annoying.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 03:36:02 »
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).

But dat plastic on the side where the leds **** their light out... that feels just wrong man. But perhaps not everybody find that annoying.

funnily enough that was one of the reasons i decided not to get it ^^
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edit: also tp4tissue i got my G9x down to 65 grams :-) didn't even destroy anything, i just removed a few things.
too bad the variance is so huge on this mouse. if it actually had a good sensor it would be good for more than just casual stuff
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 03:38:33 »
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).

But dat plastic on the side where the leds **** their light out... that feels just wrong man. But perhaps not everybody find that annoying.

funnily enough that was one of the reasons i decided not to get it ^^
RGB is killing our mice!!11

Yeah.. I don't really see why all these leds are put in mice these days. I prefer a better grip / feel over some gimmicky leds. But I guess they are trying to add more "value".
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 03:46:18 »
yeah, with LEDs (especially RGB) they will have another "feature" they can put on their marketing page, and the box. (gee, thanks.)
for this reason i was pretty hyped when zowie stepped in as a company with their "no bs" approach. too bad they turned out to be meh
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 04:07:34 »
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).

But dat plastic on the side where the leds **** their light out... that feels just wrong man. But perhaps not everybody find that annoying.

funnily enough that was one of the reasons i decided not to get it ^^
RGB is killing our mice!!11

Yeah.. I don't really see why all these leds are put in mice these days. I prefer a better grip / feel over some gimmicky leds. But I guess they are trying to add more "value".

Have to agree with this one, this is too true.
I mean, when you game, you literally cant see the lights from the mouse, and if you do, you are not game-focused.
Apart from profiling using the LEDs to me, it serves more of a distraction than any useful purposes (maybe other than provide warmth to your hand during cold weather)

The same goes to the LEDs on keyboard as well, I mean, if you game while needing to look at the keyboard, you have a more fundamental problem that even the LEDs on your board cant help you.

E.g those new Logitech and Razer keyboards that can work with games like the Division to provide in-game notification like ammo count, grenade counts, health indicator whether you need medkit or not. This is hilarious if you really depend on the board for such info where you can just "see" from the monitor  :-\

Therefore, LEDs on such things serves more of swag than actual use.
But then again, this is just me, since Logitech, Razer, Corsair, and other makers keep rolling out such things means there are market for these, and I'm just a whiner to them.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 20 April 2016, 04:09:44 »
yeah, with LEDs (especially RGB) they will have another "feature" they can put on their marketing page, and the box. (gee, thanks.)
for this reason i was pretty hyped when zowie stepped in as a company with their "no bs" approach. too bad they turned out to be meh

That's why I like my Avior 7000 so much: the scrollwheel and the logo on the shell on the front lit up. But you don't FEEL them. They don't get in the way of you using your mouse.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 23 April 2016, 15:05:54 »
Logitech performance MX with (even) more thumb-buttons! Aaaand as a vertical mouse, which is of cause wireless and rechargeable. So basically, a wireless, rechargeable vertical mouse with at least 4 thumb buttons (preferably even more, vertical scrolling and "high speed scrolling", like on the performance MX. Does such a mouse exist?
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 23 April 2016, 15:50:33 »
I would like...  a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse,  pixart 3366, 12 buttons..  shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #57 on: Sat, 23 April 2016, 16:59:14 »
I would like...  a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse,  pixart 3366, 12 buttons..  shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.

And good glides... Don't forget the glides!
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #58 on: Sat, 23 April 2016, 17:33:36 »
I would like...  a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse,  pixart 3366, 12 buttons..  shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.

And good glides... Don't forget the glides!

Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 00:36:01 »
I would like...  a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse,  pixart 3366, 12 buttons..  shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.

And good glides... Don't forget the glides!

Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.


Way way way too expensive..

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 03:49:57 »
I would like...  a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse,  pixart 3366, 12 buttons..  shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.

And good glides... Don't forget the glides!

Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.

Like a maglev train!
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 08:51:36 »
I would like...  a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse,  pixart 3366, 12 buttons..  shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.

And good glides... Don't forget the glides!

Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.

Like a maglev train!

No, not like a maglev train, more like one of these floating miniature globes, or an air hockey field, just with magnets instead of air. It would also probably be a electromagnetic field that adjusts itself (centres the mouse) when the mouse it not in use. That way you can regulate height, sensitivity and so on. All that would probably also be possible with permanent magnets, but too complicated. It would also require a special mouse pad, except of cause you can figure out some anti gravity UFO technology. But I have heard, even UFO's use magnetic fields in some way or another...
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 09:09:35 »
For the longest time I thought it's the Steelseries Sensei wireless. I love it so much that I don't think I can get another good mouse. Then I quit gaming and started to look for something else and I came across the MX Master. Oh my, this thing is really nice. It feels good in the hand and overall just suits me perfect.

I did get a Mionix Castor as well during my recent stay overseas (along with a new laptop) as I got nothing to do and started gaming again. For the price, this mouse is really good and even though it feels very uncomfortable on the first day (hurt my pinkie a lot), I think it's on par if not better than the Sensei.

That is my favorite. It is comfortable and does everything I need.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 14:44:36 »
What is the Malfunction speed on the MX-Master ?

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 15:05:25 »
Yup, my Kensington Expert trackball :')

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 06:39:17 »
I would like...  a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse,  pixart 3366, 12 buttons..  shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.

And good glides... Don't forget the glides!

Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.

Like a maglev train!

No, not like a maglev train, more like one of these floating miniature globes, or an air hockey field, just with magnets instead of air. It would also probably be a electromagnetic field that adjusts itself (centres the mouse) when the mouse it not in use. That way you can regulate height, sensitivity and so on. All that would probably also be possible with permanent magnets, but too complicated. It would also require a special mouse pad, except of cause you can figure out some anti gravity UFO technology. But I have heard, even UFO's use magnetic fields in some way or another...

Would this be realistically technologically possible today?
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 08:12:43 »
I would like...  a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse,  pixart 3366, 12 buttons..  shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.

And good glides... Don't forget the glides!

Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.

Like a maglev train!

No, not like a maglev train, more like one of these floating miniature globes, or an air hockey field, just with magnets instead of air. It would also probably be a electromagnetic field that adjusts itself (centres the mouse) when the mouse it not in use. That way you can regulate height, sensitivity and so on. All that would probably also be possible with permanent magnets, but too complicated. It would also require a special mouse pad, except of cause you can figure out some anti gravity UFO technology. But I have heard, even UFO's use magnetic fields in some way or another...

Would this be realistically technologically possible today?

Of cause, so far as I know something similar to this already exists.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5988590/is-this-hovering-computer-mouse-real-or-fake

I don't know for sure if its real or not, but it could be made, without problem.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 12:53:22 »
This never got off, because you can not get good 2D tracking precision from 3D

It would also be easier to build a --frictionless--  air gesture device using optics instead of -Magnets-


Magnets are ::

-very expensive
-heavy
-brittle
-Quantity involved would be dangerous to your hands and nearby metal objects.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 13:09:04 »
Yes. For me, I found mouse/input device happiness in CST trackballs. They help with RSI. It's really fun to roll the ball around. I love the simplicity. And the scrollwheel is wonderful.

I guess I got lucky because the closest thing to an ideal mouse was a CM Storm Spawn. I had a few gripes with that though: The finish was meh and felt kinda chincy. The rubber finish was also a grime/dust trap and felt kinda weird under my thumb.

I've replaced both the Spawns I had at work and at home with CST trackballs and have stopped trying to find mice to test out. I went through a Razer Abyssus, Logitech G9X, CM Storm Spawn, as well as a bunch of cheapo Logitech mice before I found the trackballs.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #69 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 13:36:33 »
This never got off, because you can not get good 2D tracking precision from 3D

It would also be easier to build a --frictionless--  air gesture device using optics instead of -Magnets-


Magnets are ::

-very expensive
-heavy
-brittle
-Quantity involved would be dangerous to your hands and nearby metal objects.

I never said it was particularly useful, but that it could be made. Besides that, I don't think that actual permanent magnets would be used for this (like neodymium magnets), but rather electro magnets (for many reasons), which aren't expensive at all,  not heavy or brittle, at least not more than your standard mouse. Besides that, even IF neodymium magnets would be used, it wouldn't be a big deal, most headphones and speakers use neodymium magnets, and there doesn't seem to be any problem with that. I don't often hear people complain about broken neodymium magnets in their headphones. The magnets are so small and light, that it literally doesn't make a difference. They also aren't very expensive. But I agree that motion tracking or a holographic interface would be more useful and convenient. Even better would be controlling a device (computer) with your toughs, but what would be do with all our keyboards then?
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 13:57:34 »
I would like...  a 45 gram carbon fiber mouse,  pixart 3366, 12 buttons..  shaped like
Evoluent vertical mouse.

And good glides... Don't forget the glides!

Magnet glides... Everything is better with magnets.

Like a maglev train!

No, not like a maglev train, more like one of these floating miniature globes, or an air hockey field, just with magnets instead of air. It would also probably be a electromagnetic field that adjusts itself (centres the mouse) when the mouse it not in use. That way you can regulate height, sensitivity and so on. All that would probably also be possible with permanent magnets, but too complicated. It would also require a special mouse pad, except of cause you can figure out some anti gravity UFO technology. But I have heard, even UFO's use magnetic fields in some way or another...

Would this be realistically technologically possible today?

Of cause, so far as I know something similar to this already exists.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5988590/is-this-hovering-computer-mouse-real-or-fake

I don't know for sure if its real or not, but it could be made, without problem.

That looks seriously cool.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 16:53:49 »
This never got off, because you can not get good 2D tracking precision from 3D

It would also be easier to build a --frictionless--  air gesture device using optics instead of -Magnets-


Magnets are ::

-very expensive
-heavy
-brittle
-Quantity involved would be dangerous to your hands and nearby metal objects.
I work with them all the time, we have enough neodymiums in the shop to pull this off on a reasonably sized pad.

Actually, it would be pretty simple and would not require that much money (less than a good mouse) and in general would not be dangerous to you. I could probably have one knocked out in a night it's so simple.

You could adjust the lev height, and even design it to push the mouse towards center, all of this is possible without much effort actually but would require a tad more work and you might end up with a 1/2in thick pad, but it is certainly doable. Unfortunately by the time you add the necessary mods to the mouse your hand would probably sit 3/4inches above the desk higher than it currently does.  As for brittle, you could put something over to protect them easily enough, but a bigger danger is what it would to things around it. Things would get sucked in like a black hole, and it would get dirty fast.


The thing you are missing though is:
A. Many of you seem to judge mouse movement, especially cord users, by friction. You would lose that feedback.
B. It would greatly increase the mouse mass, it may be frictionless, but would still require more force to make it move fast or stop it from moving.
C. It's frictionless... Just bumping your desk would be enough to make it start floating across the pad. Ever have an optical mouse with a stray hair causing it to wander, same thing, but in this case, all of the time. Worse, how many of us are THAT good at holding your hand perfectly still without any feedback?

Bottom line is, you need need at least some friction to keep it from doing whatever it wants. Good glides, yes, frictionless, no.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 19:03:57 »
This never got off, because you can not get good 2D tracking precision from 3D

It would also be easier to build a --frictionless--  air gesture device using optics instead of -Magnets-


Magnets are ::

-very expensive
-heavy
-brittle
-Quantity involved would be dangerous to your hands and nearby metal objects.
I work with them all the time, we have enough neodymiums in the shop to pull this off on a reasonably sized pad.

Actually, it would be pretty simple and would not require that much money (less than a good mouse) and in general would not be dangerous to you. I could probably have one knocked out in a night it's so simple.

You could adjust the lev height, and even design it to push the mouse towards center, all of this is possible without much effort actually but would require a tad more work and you might end up with a 1/2in thick pad, but it is certainly doable. Unfortunately by the time you add the necessary mods to the mouse your hand would probably sit 3/4inches above the desk higher than it currently does.  As for brittle, you could put something over to protect them easily enough, but a bigger danger is what it would to things around it. Things would get sucked in like a black hole, and it would get dirty fast.


The thing you are missing though is:
A. Many of you seem to judge mouse movement, especially cord users, by friction. You would lose that feedback.
B. It would greatly increase the mouse mass, it may be frictionless, but would still require more force to make it move fast or stop it from moving.
C. It's frictionless... Just bumping your desk would be enough to make it start floating across the pad. Ever have an optical mouse with a stray hair causing it to wander, same thing, but in this case, all of the time. Worse, how many of us are THAT good at holding your hand perfectly still without any feedback?

Bottom line is, you need need at least some friction to keep it from doing whatever it wants. Good glides, yes, frictionless, no.



Not require that much money?

Maybe not for 1 mouse..   But imagine building an inventory if every mouse cost $20..

What if it doesn't sell,  that amounts to MILLIONS..


So, every penny counts in large volumes,  which is why the manufacturers cut every corner possible.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 20:19:20 »
Not require that much money?

Maybe not for 1 mouse..   But imagine building an inventory if every mouse cost $20..

What if it doesn't sell,  that amounts to MILLIONS..


So, every penny counts in large volumes,  which is why the manufacturers cut every corner possible.
What you just said applies to every product.

Do you realize what Chinese stuff costs in bulk?
In less than 5 minutes I found 3000 wireless mice for well under $2 each, the magnets would be less than 20 cents per mouse and pad in that bulk. The rest is plastic and Chinese labor.  That was just a 2 second search of Chinese suppliers, the first hits that came up, and before haggling started. $20k would cover everything including injection molds and packaging all delivered to your door. And you would still have money left over.

Manufacturers are not cutting every corner possible to lower prices, they do it for profit reasons. They don't pass that savings onto you, if they do, it's only a fraction. Most products on shelves coming from China cost the company less than 10% of retail, and as much as 3/4 of that could be tied up in shipping and handling.  A $20 mouse from China is a HELL of a mouse, especially in bulk, and would retail for around $180-$200.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #74 on: Sat, 04 June 2016, 03:48:02 »
My ideal mouse will probably never exist, for reasons that will soon be quite obvious.

As things currently stand, the Logitech G502 comes close. All the buttons have a solid click, and I actually like the scroll wheel. I would even say it's the best scroll wheel I've ever used!

It's solid, thunky notches, tilt, and an option for free-scroll mode that comes in handy for long documents, Web pages, or just fooling around in UT 2004 with some massive weapons pack and playing gun roulette. It also doesn't skip scroll notches like the G5 or G500 does on occasion.

It's hardly perfect, though. I think it would benefit a bit from having more of a DeathAdder/Mamba shape, but those mice fail because they only have two thumb buttons. I need a minimum of THREE thumb buttons for several of the games I play (usually a combination of melee attack, grenades, grappling hooks and aim mode), and that with wheel tilt (usually for switching grenade types, ammo types and/or fire modes) still isn't enough sometimes.

The Mad Catz M.M.O. 7 button layout would be near-perfect, especially because of the 5-way hat switch, but that mouse is hideously overpriced, hideously styled, and has a flawed sensor compared to the G502.

Oh, and the icing on the cake for a perfect mouse: it needs software akin to T.A.R.G.E.T. or CH Control Manager where I can program every single button with multiple modes and logical outputs (keyboard, mouse AND DirectInput joystick buttons and axes), fully integrated with my HOTAS and rudder pedals. Yeah, not happening unless I go back to a full CH setup complete with another USB DT225 trackball, but I just can't get used to trackballs for anything that isn't a trackball-based arcade game. Can't make twitch shots with them at all.

So yeah, it's just not going to happen. I'll just make do with my G502 until I have the resources to create my own perfect mouse.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 04 June 2016, 08:57:40 »
You know I have no idea but this thread made me wonder if I should start looking.

Been playing a lot of Overwatch and my wrist is starting to hurt. Just the hand that holds the mouse, so I must not be gripping it right.
Usually been able to adapt, but only really ever had experience with Logitech before I went out and tried something way different.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 17 June 2016, 12:10:30 »
So I decided to think about it, I mean REALLY think about it, and I have finally composed what my perfect mouse would be. If any companies out there want to create it, or something vaguely similar, I will pay you whatever you want to get it done.

124 length x 52 width x 34 height 
~70-85g weight 
Low liftoff distance(~1.5mm) 
500Hz refresh rate 
800 or 1000DPI 
'Perfect' sensor(no acceleration, angle snapping, prediction) e.g 3310/A3060/A3090 
Huano 'Zowie' switches   
non-glossy 'textured/rough' plastic: think PBT keycaps vs smooth ABS. 
3 buttons(M1,M2,wheel) only: potentially ONE extra behind the scroll wheel. 
Left Handed Ergonomic preferred(good luck lol), otherwise: Ambidextrous design. 
Razer Krait 4g shape(convex front[V shape]) Concave back([^ shape]). 
Plastic textured side. 
Angled with the bulk/peak towards the back for palm/claw grip hybrid. 
Concave M1/M2 buttons
Straighter front to prevent mouse tipping*.
Loose mouse wheel. 
Paracord cable for flexibility as shown below
cable for flexibility. 

* - I feel like this wouldn't be a problem if the mouse is increased in length, however given my grip style and the shortness of this mouse(115mm) it tends to tip regularly.
« Last Edit: Fri, 17 June 2016, 12:28:37 by Emmiya »

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #77 on: Wed, 17 August 2016, 08:48:47 »
My ideal mouse would be mind controlled. Hands wouldn't need to leave keyboard, using laptops and touchscreens would be a breeze, wouldn't get RSI from excessive clicking/scrolling.

They actually do exist using EEG headsets like Emotiv but they're not fast or precise enough to compete with a handheld mouse. Using the mind alone doesn't provide very fast input with EEGs, and aiming with the gyro in the headset is jittery.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 17 August 2016, 09:03:52 »
My ideal mouse would be mind controlled. Hands wouldn't need to leave keyboard, using laptops and touchscreens would be a breeze, wouldn't get RSI from excessive clicking/scrolling.

They actually do exist using EEG headsets like Emotiv but they're not fast or precise enough to compete with a handheld mouse. Using the mind alone doesn't provide very fast input with EEGs, and aiming with the gyro in the headset is jittery.

Why stop there...

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 17 August 2016, 20:31:43 »
Why stop there...

Tp4 would like to be digitized and Become the computer..
Go full Matrix, get in your recliner and jack-in.

We need more input though. The Emotiv Epoc has 14 independent channels. sooooon

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #80 on: Tue, 06 September 2016, 09:20:04 »
Yes, and it's called the Zowie FK1.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 06 September 2016, 11:11:46 »
Yes, and it's called the Zowie FK1.

I'm 90% sure I'd still be using this but it doesn't work on my desk, and **** mousepads.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 06 September 2016, 11:17:55 »
Yes, and it's called the Zowie FK1.

I'm 90% sure I'd still be using this but it doesn't work on my desk, and **** mousepads.
That's rough. FK1 + oversized pad + 400dpi/low sens is my ideal setup.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #83 on: Wed, 19 October 2016, 05:24:01 »
Yup, my Kensington Expert trackball :')

Please tell me: can the scroll ring be cleaned (taken out to be cleaned). I use the Kensington Orbit Trackball with scroll ring (K72337) and after using it for 6 months or so the scroll ring starts to feel gritty etc and I cannot clean it.(the plastic holding it inside is welded together).

Edit: Never mind, found ripster's write up on modifying the scroll ring and removing the magnet in it.
« Last Edit: Wed, 19 October 2016, 06:29:19 by MJL »

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #84 on: Wed, 09 November 2016, 15:44:27 »
rurushu how about Ducky Secret? it's not ambidextrous, but it's heavy and there's no rubber. in fact, the shell is made out of PBT (afaik it's the only mouse with a PBT shell).

But dat plastic on the side where the leds **** their light out... that feels just wrong man. But perhaps not everybody find that annoying.
Yes!!! That's the main reason I returned my Ducky Secret mouse. I've had similar issues with a number of other mice. It seems that companies have developed RBG mania -- perhaps driven by gamers or the perception that this is what gamers want. Many of the mice that I tested could have been fine if it were not for the different plastic used for the sake of cosmetic RGB effects. I wouldn't mind an optional lighting effect for something halfway functional, such as indicating the DPI setting, but this would need to be placed such that it was visible yet not anywhere within the grip areas. I also think it is possible that lighting the scroll wheel might, at least in some cases, compromise function.


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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 21:33:06 »
Anyone have experience with a G502 vs G9x? I'm very much a claw grip. Also any comment on the G502's scrollwheel? For reference my fav scroll wheel is on the MX revolution.

Thinking of maybe replacing my G9x with a G502 but not totally convinced yet.

I think you should do it. scroll wheel is made of metal, great for claw grips.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 08:46:44 »
Yes. It's called the g502. I bought it in august having gone through 7 g9xs and hating everything about them. I had heard good things about it. I love it. Never buying a g9x again.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 12:07:03 »
I got a g502, really like the scroll wheel but I think I prefer the shape of the g9x. 502 Sensor feels a bit better too so won't be going back but I wish Logitech would do more mouses with grip choices.


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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #88 on: Sat, 26 November 2016, 01:09:36 »
Never been one for having extra buttons on my mice, so I mostly stuck to the bargain bin style mice. I had, for almost a decade, the Dell standard mouse OCJ339. It died out on me (after having replaced the scroll switch twice), so I had to find something new. I finally went with the Kinzu v3, and have loved it. then click buttons are nice and resilient, and the scroll wheel feels defined. Insofar as traditional mice go, it's my go-to, and I will rebuy it until I can't anymore.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #89 on: Sat, 26 November 2016, 01:32:28 »
g900 is great. I have no complaints... Coming from a g502 (which drove me crazy) and then a mx518 before that. Really, really, really like the g900.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 30 November 2016, 04:22:16 »
Such mouse doesn't exist. To make a perfect mouse for me it would have to be this:
- Deathadder shape, sensor and buttons
- Steelseries Sensei scroll wheel
- Zowie EC1A cable and configuration (no software required)
- Ducky Secret mouse lack of coating - bare PBT plastic
- No visible brand logo on top when LEDs are off
Surely if someone ever made such mouse, it's a certain best seller.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #91 on: Wed, 30 November 2016, 07:40:47 »
Such mouse doesn't exist. To make a perfect mouse for me it would have to be this:
- Deathadder shape, sensor and buttons
- Steelseries Sensei scroll wheel
- Zowie EC1A cable and configuration (no software required)
- Ducky Secret mouse lack of coating - bare PBT plastic
- No visible brand logo on top when LEDs are off
Surely if someone ever made such mouse, it's a certain best seller.
Excellent suggestions!

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 30 November 2016, 07:50:05 »
For me it is Zowie EC2-A, have GPro and G403 in the mail though so maybe those will change my mind! :))

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 07 December 2016, 11:10:33 »
Yes and no.

I have a Mionix Avior 7000 and have to say it is about everything I ever wanted. Great ambi shape, relatively light, braided cable (I know people hate them, but their cables are much better than e.g. Logitech), durable coating. I am also really impressed with it's overall durability. I am a guy who consumes mice fast. Ever since I started playing FPS in 2000 I had at least two mice a year, doubleclick or cable (connectivity) issues - you name it. The Avior 7000 however is still fine after more than 2 years of heavy use.

So it is the perfect mouse.

I kinda which that they would release a version sporting the 3366 sensor though.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 18 August 2017, 13:26:06 »
I had this idea recently. Basically to combine two trackball mice to the sides of the bottom half of the HHKB Pro. 2.

176268-0

And it would look something like this.

176270-1

There would be two spheres cupped on both sides with a LMB positioned on the right side of the keyboard, similar to that of an Xbox controller.

176272-2

And on the other side would be the RMB positioned on the side in the same way.

176274-3

I like to keep the keyboard on my lap while typing, but every once in a while have to reach up to access the mouse. With this modification, that would not be a problem!

Connecting this bottom part to any HHKB Pro. 2 would turn it into a giant controller. If anyone would like to create a 3D model of this concept that would be pretty cool :thumb:

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #95 on: Fri, 18 August 2017, 13:37:09 »
That's a toilet, right?

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #96 on: Fri, 18 August 2017, 17:18:24 »
That's a toilet, right?

Yes, but they are not meant to be seen literally. They are cups/bowls that hold the spheres (the toilet shape just happened to fit what I had in mind)

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #97 on: Fri, 18 August 2017, 18:31:41 »
I had this idea recently. Basically to combine two trackball mice to the sides of the bottom half of the HHKB Pro. 2.


There would be two spheres cupped on both sides with a LMB positioned on the right side of the keyboard, similar to that of an Xbox controller.

And on the other side would be the RMB positioned on the side in the same way.

I like to keep the keyboard on my lap while typing, but every once in a while have to reach up to access the mouse. With this modification, that would not be a problem!

Connecting this bottom part to any HHKB Pro. 2 would turn it into a giant controller. If anyone would like to create a 3D model of this concept that would be pretty cool :thumb:
It would not be difficult to make, however, you have a mouse button on each side of the keyboard, so any time you need to do any right button operations you will be needing both hands. Why not both buttons on each side or just a mouse/ball on the side you need most.

As for how to make it, a small usb hub inside or strapped to the back of the keyboard (or put it in the trackball housing) so you only need one cord, then cut a trackball housing down to the bare minimum, attach that, then rebuild the housing to smooth it all out. It's not worth trying to fab up your own housing when some abs sheeting and some CA glue could give you similar results in a fraction of the time and money. A bit of bondo and paint, call it good.

Could be done over the course of a weekend, and if done right would have little to no impact on the HHKB should you decide to remove it later.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #98 on: Wed, 20 September 2017, 21:48:17 »
I forgot to come back and mention that after so many years of using Logitech MX500 deriatives, I use a Swiftpoint Z now as of the last several months. Hilariously overengineered, but I like it.

There are some occasional quirks with mouse buttons 4 and 5 not being registered in everything (most notably Unreal Engine 2 games), the software's still rather bloated even by gaming mouse standards (48.2 MB in RAM just for a programming utility with a GUI that still doesn't do everything promised in the initial Kickstarter pitch?), and I do miss the Logitech G502's mouse wheel sometimes (yes, really, its notches were meatier and free-scroll is really nice to have sometimes), but I enjoy having a ludicrous amount of button bindings at hand that don't necessarily compromise overall mouse ergonomics the way those numpadded MMOG mice do. At the very least, other manufacturers should seriously consider copying the two-way triggers behind the main mouse buttons.

Lifting up the mouse and tilting it a bit for config mode is also pretty brilliant, combined with the built-in OLED screen. It makes adjusting profiles and DPI a snap, and once you set it back down on your mousing surface, you can use all the same buttons you were using for those adjustments for more in-game actions. Basically, tilt degree thresholds act as button inputs or shifts like anything else, and they can be used or ignored to one's taste to the point that they even give you alternative mouse skates to lock out the tilt entirely.

However, that thing has forced me to retrain my grip style after years of those various Logitech mice. You see, a typical MX500-style mouse is something I can grab with just my pinky on the side, middle finger on wheel, ring on RMB, but the Swiftpoint Z will practically slip off my hand on that side if I try that. It's really meant to have only two fingers go over the buttons (which trips me up as to which finger I use for the wheel) while the ring finger provides the bulk of the grip and support on the right side, which also explains why the finger rest on the right side was too far forward for my pinky.

Oh, and if you're wondering: yes, despite its complex appearance, it's actually noticeably lighter than the G502, albeit no WMO featherweight. Not that the weight bothered me all that much, unlike all the OCN types.

I think the Z is closest to my ideal mouse overall, but I'd tweak the overall shell more to better fit the grip style I use on Logitech mice, swap out the mouse wheel for the G502's, and throw out the existing driver software in favor of something more akin to Kinesis' SmartSet, which only takes up a few megabytes, has all the important programming features one can ask for in a gaming peripheral, doesn't require any online connections for anything, and doesn't need to stay resident in RAM at all to work because it's entirely firmware-based (which the Z also is to an extent, but needs the bloated proprietary drivers to engage the profiles on its internal memory).

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #99 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 11:39:03 »
I understand the value of a good mouse, due to bad mouse usage, I destroyed my right hand.  Was forced to use left hand 16 years ago.  Since I am a left-handed mouse user, my options are limited.  I've come to appreciate the:
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #100 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 13:41:16 »
G403 wireless... great shell, great scrollwheel (I hate those hyperwheels), great sensor, actually really lasts 1 week. Fits great in the hand. Mmmm... and the wirelessness is so great.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #101 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 14:08:16 »
G403 wireless... great shell, great scrollwheel (I hate those hyperwheels), great sensor, actually really lasts 1 week. Fits great in the hand. Mmmm... and the wirelessness is so great.

The teflon feet it uses is really next lvl..

It's pressed just right to reduce the total surface contact area.

Thereby producing stability without more friction.



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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #102 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 14:14:36 »
G403 wireless... great shell, great scrollwheel (I hate those hyperwheels), great sensor, actually really lasts 1 week. Fits great in the hand. Mmmm... and the wirelessness is so great.

The teflon feet it uses is really next lvl..

It's pressed just right to reduce the total surface contact area.

Thereby producing stability without more friction.

Works perfectly on my qck xxl. Only, when I plug in the mouse with the cable, the cable really provides friction against my desk.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #103 on: Sat, 30 December 2017, 13:49:35 »
G403 wireless... great shell, great scrollwheel (I hate those hyperwheels), great sensor, actually really lasts 1 week. Fits great in the hand. Mmmm... and the wirelessness is so great.

The teflon feet it uses is really next lvl..

It's pressed just right to reduce the total surface contact area.

Thereby producing stability without more friction.

Works perfectly on my qck xxl. Only, when I plug in the mouse with the cable, the cable really provides friction against my desk.
Currently, my favorite mouse is the Logitech G403 wired. I use a Zowie mouse bungee to keep the cable elevated.


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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #104 on: Sat, 30 December 2017, 19:07:20 »
I don't think I have an "ideal" mouse to be honest. I'm extremely budget limited, so I've learned when not to be too picky.

First personal mouse was the MX518. Good mouse, had it for years until it wore out. Tried to sell it to a local store early on when desperate for cash, only to discover the store full of trained experts had no clue what an optical sensor was, claiming it was broken because the sensor didn't light up.

Next was the Logitech G500. Despite prediction and acceleration, a good mouse, until it started double clicking. Not having the experience or tools to fix the issue, I put it in a drawer in case I did someday.

Replaced it with a Razer Abyssus, which was terrible for multiple reasons, not the least of which was you had to flip it over to adjust dpi, which was either way too slow or way too high. I gave it away and borrowed my mom's G500s for a while. To explain how terrible this mouse was: My current monitor, our deep fryer and my mechanical keyboard are all from this year, and I have no intention of replacing them quite yet (my monitor may need to be replaced due to problems with the HDMI port, however). She also still has the G500s, which I bought for her the year prior, and she's still using it.

Replaced the borrowed mouse with my current G303 Daedalus Prime and returned it to it's rightful owner. Not perfect, but very usable, excellent sensor, and does just what I need. The fact that I can program it if need be is a huge plus.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #105 on: Sat, 30 December 2017, 19:11:05 »
mx518 -> G400 -> G400s

Yes my ideal mouse exists.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #106 on: Wed, 03 January 2018, 07:59:54 »

YES, MY FAVOURITE MOUSE EXISTS. IT IS KNOWN AS THE MICROSOFT MOUSE. THE MICROSOFT MOUSE IS INFINITELY SUPERIOR TO THE CRAPPLE MOUSE BECAUSE IT HAS TWICE AS MANY BUTTONS. CRAPPLE, BEING A STUPID COMPANY RUN BY IDIOTS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE COMPUTERS, DECIDED THAT THEY WERE "TOO COOL" FOR A TWO BUTTON MOUSE. BUT NOT ME! I USE ONE ALL THE TIME. I USE NOTHING BUT GENUINE MICROSOFT MICE, PLUGGED INTO MY SERIAL PORT, OR PS/2 PORT, DEPENDING ON THE COMPUTER OR MOUSE THAT I AM USING. THE BEAUTIFUL OFF-WHITE YELLOWISH BEIGE COLOUR ADDS SO MUCH BEAUTY AND CHARACTER TO THESE ARTISTICALLY DESIGNED MASTERPIECES. NOT TO MENTION THAT THESE MICE ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR WINDOWS 98. BUT WHETHER YOU USE WINDOWS 98 OR NOT, YOU REALLY NEED TO GET A MICROSOFT MOUSE RIGHT NOW. DON'T WAIT! GETTING A MICROSOFT MOUSE WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE. SO THEREFORE, YOU NEED TO GET ONE RIGHT NOW. WHEN YOU GET A MICROSOFT MOUSE, ALSO BE SURE TO PURCHASE MORE TO GIVE TO YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. YOU CAN SPREAD THE REVOLUTION IN POINTING DEVICES TODAY! DON'T DELAY! JUST IMAGINE IF YOU DIED AND WENT TO THE PEARLY GATES. AND GOD FOUND OUT THAT YOU DIDN'T USE A MICROSOFT MOUSE. YOU'D PROBABLY ROT IN HELL FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY! IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BURN IN HELL, GET A MICROSOFT MOUSE. MICROSOFT MICE ARE THE ANSWER TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS IN LIFE, AS IT POINTS YOUR CURSOR THROUGH THE AMAZING WORLD OF MULTIMEDIA IN WINDOWS 98 AND INTERNET EXPLORER 6.
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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #107 on: Wed, 03 January 2018, 14:49:39 »
logitech g400

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #108 on: Thu, 04 January 2018, 09:54:29 »
logitech g400

Better than the 400s?  They are basically the same mouse but the g400s has a more precise sensor, apparently.  I know it has some stupid styling, though.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #109 on: Thu, 04 January 2018, 10:14:49 »
The cable is different, or at least has supposedly better strain relief.

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Re: Does Your Ideal Mouse Exist?
« Reply #110 on: Fri, 05 January 2018, 23:20:24 »
If there were a white ver. of deathadder elite then yes.