i don't want to seem edgy but i honestly couldn't care less, if they choose not to get vaccinated and come up with their BS ideas on why they are correct (which they aren't) let them get covid.
I would agree with you if it was just themselves they'd put at risk, but it isn't - antivaxxers are a public health hazard. Their choices reach far beyond just themselves. This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.
How can the fully vaccinated/boosted with 2, 3, 4 or more shots be put at risk by people who haven't taken it? Do they protect you or not?
The current vaccine does about nothing against catching and spreading the current strains of the virus. Here in Ontario, the official data (
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread) shows that the boosted twice the case rate as the "not fully vaccinated":
For my age group (18-39), it's 3x more cases /100k for the boosted vs "not fully vaccinated"
Meanwhile, Quebec (population about 8.5M, second to Ontario at 14.5M) has been the province with by far the fastest and highest vaccine and booster uptake, as well as the most strict and long-lasting mandates, lockdowns, and restrictions (including nightly curfews and "illegal" hockey games), and has done by far the worst in the country from day one. Even now they're the only province with a mask mandate in place and they're still doing the worst (
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=num&measure=deaths&map=pt#a5:
The only reason for the vaccine at this point is an approximately halving of the risk of a severe outcome, which is great if you're high risk and go from 10% to 5%... but if you're healthy under 30 and go from 0.006 to 0.003%?
Hospitalization rates for Ontario (population is about 14.5M and we're in our "6th wave"):
But of course, that's "with COVID" rather than due to, so that breakdown is required (good that they started including these figures), since only about half of the hospitalizations and 2/3 the ICU are actually attributed to COVID rather than just incidental positive tests:
At first, being a liberal, I was of the opinion that people shouldn't HAVE to get vaccinated, but that they'd have to lose serious amounts of personal freedoms to limit the risk they post. "Put your money where your mouth is," basically. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I've come to the conclusion that this doesn't work, not really. You're actually curtailing OTHER people's freedoms that way, just for the sake of some self-centred illiterates. Thus the more logical thing, and the plan that leads to more freedom overall (including people who don't actually want to vaccinate) is to make vaccination mandatory. ...
I have no idea how someone can consider themselves to be of 'liberal' beliefs as they contemplate compulsory medical procedures on their fellow citizen -- especially ones this ineffective at stopping spread, with no long-term data, and for people who have an extremely low risk profile for the virus in the first place.
I also urge very strong caution with rhetoric on labelling others a "public health hazard", or asking if they "should be tolerated" (as our PM did). This kind of language has been used many times in the past as
unfounded basis to commit atrocities on others.
From Slate:
https://slate.com/technology/2014/08/typhus-and-lice-in-jewish-ghettos-nazi-doctors-perverse-groupthink.htmlFrom the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:
https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/propaganda-poster-jews-are-lice-they-cause-typhusMany, if not most, of the worst evil atrocities have been done in someone's delusional idea of a 'greater good'.
