Post by: gridishere on Mon, 02 November 2020, 08:57:36
(https://i.imgur.com/wDPxgqa.jpg)
[updates 01.16.2021]
A sound test with Holy Panda is here.
The keyboard is fitted with a prototype version of Module Type-07 ARRAY, with not finishes.
[updates 01.14.2021]
Huge thanks to migorengs. We worked together to create a visual simulator to demo all color combinations for grid 650.
(https://i.imgur.com/5cF4TtN.jpg)
Please check here.
https://www.mechs.io/simulator/configure/4345/
Mechs.io is his website.
You can also find him on Instagram.
[updates 01.11.2021]
We have a new sound test video with Ink Black V2 switches and MOD4 FLASH.
The setup uses a thin lithium battery instead of a 18650 battery.
In the past 2 weeks, we have optimized many things.
- Optimizing the power consumption for FLASH and ARRARY
- Finalizing the design of the leaf spring for FLASH
- Bettery light effects for FLASH
- Packaging design finished
- Lots of parts are being made right now, we expect an early delivery
Thanks for your feedback and support.
[updates 12.23.2020]
We did some sound tests with lubed Tealio V2. There is a comparison between plateless mount / 4mm ANSI plate / 1.5mm universal plate.
Thanks for your support.
[updates 12.06.2020]
Before GB happens, we need to appreciate az5's brilliant idea to extend the groove for Module 9 STAND. Now the improved version will work with a phone with a maximum length of 185mm or 7.28inch. Technically it can fit a iPad Pro 11inch in vertical.
We love to hear from you ;D
It should look like this.
(https://i.imgur.com/accIbRp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9t6uFQM.jpg)
[updates 12.03.2020]
We have new updates! It is about price, GB info, plate options, and colorway.
The price of grid 650 starts at $365 for a wired plateless version with Module 01 CLASSIC, and it goes up to $490 with its gasket mount variant plus Module 07 ARRAY.
(https://i.imgur.com/xWgdGod.jpg)
Groupbuy will launch at 9 AM PST December 10th till January 17th, 2021, on zFrontier. Module 10 CIRCLE will not be available at this GB because of some tolerance issues.
We will shot a build video and sound tests in mid-December.
Shipping will start in April 2020.
There are four different PCBs:
- Wired hotswap
- Wired solderable
- BLE hotswap
- BLE solderable
For the BLE version, it is challenging due to the limits of ROM size. We are still working on that. Nevertheless, you will not be able to modify any BLE related keycodes unless VIA starts to support it. Still, it is possible to use the wired version firmware with the BLE board.
There are two different plate options:
- 4mm stiff plate designed for hotswap boards
- 1.5mm universal plate designed for solderable boards
Here is what a set would look like, modules are for reference:
(https://i.imgur.com/pDmvBDw.jpg)
grid 650 with hotswap PCB and 4mm plate.
(https://i.imgur.com/n6WCHGM.jpg)
grid 650 WKL with solderable PCB and 1.5mm plate.
(https://i.imgur.com/MzQ5YDY.jpg)
grid 650 WKL with solderable PCB.
More updates on the plates and colors are https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109386.msg2986682#msg2986682 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109386.msg2986682#msg2986682).
Many thanks!
[updates 11.14.2020]
We have some major updates. Mostly about modules. Check https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109386.msg2979576#msg2979576 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109386.msg2979576#msg2979576)
Many thanks
Hi there,
grid is back, and we've prepared something new.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ft8Hs3G.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/RGKxNq5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M7eBWhm.jpg)
grid 650 is a 65% custom mechanical keyboard. It represents what we imagine when retro and timeless styles meet excellent functionalities.
Spec-wise:
Chassis:
- Newly designed, unibody chassis embraces a hybrid mount design supporting both (or) plate-less mount and gasket mount.
- Module options similar to grid 600
- Sound-absorb felt similar to grid 600
- Front LED indicator
Hub:
- Type-C interface supports C to C cable.
- Reversible USB 2.0 Type-A hub port
- Full battery protection circuit with bypass option for DIY users
- Included 18650 battery case
PCB:
- 65% layout, QMK BLE, with optional non BLE version
- Solderable version supports both ANSI, ISO, and multiple layouts
- Hot-swap version available for faster setup
- About one month of battery life when used with a 3000mAh 18650 lithium battery (not included)
- BLE power display in OS.
- Build-in spring structure
Updates on Modules:
- Newly designed Module 4 FLASH with smoother color transition. (Notice that even we put voltage step-up chips in Module 4, due to space limitations, DIY and a thin profile phone battery is required to use with the FLASH module)
- Module 5 PRESS is now wired directly to the main PCB.
- New Module 6 WAVE
- More info on the modules will be released in about one week.
- All new modules will be available for grid600 as well.
Some further explanation:
(https://i.imgur.com/ndnLd2z.jpg)
This image indicates the plate-less mounting option. The PCB is attached to the chassis through 10 evenly distributed screw holes. The build-in leaf spring structure further enhances the flex of the PCB.
(https://i.imgur.com/H3Judez.jpg)
This image indicates the Gasket Mount option. Firstly, the plate is positioned by four specially designed O-ring structure. These O-rings provide constant pressure on the plate. Then, the plate is supported by six individual silicon bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/PJ4g2gY.jpg)
We will include two sets of bushings with different resistance.
(https://i.imgur.com/CSy5TSt.gif)
You can easily swap the silicon bushings.
(https://i.imgur.com/voxxpqz.jpg)
The layouts.
(https://i.imgur.com/eVMWiar.jpg)
The PCB is powered by QMK BLE. Module 5 PRESS is now connected to the mainboard directly. For people want to use VIA. The non-BLE version will be available as well.
(https://i.imgur.com/bShC3ee.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OqiwioN.jpg)
The hub of grid 650 is another challenge for us. We put a reversible female USB 2.0 Type-A port because it is at the back. Also, we paid some efforts to make all three elements, the switch, USB-C, and USB-A, center-aligned.
We choose Texas Instrument's chip for battery management and voltage step-down. We recommend a 18650 battery when you are not using Module 4 FLASH, as it is the most accessible battery. So, no worries about the future.
Front LED indicator.
(https://i.imgur.com/szhycXd.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/1xpae9C.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/L9Fj6os.jpg)
The front LED indicator has four colors and five modes.
- Blicking blue is for paring.
- Breathing white indicates powered by a battery.
- Blinking red reminds you to charge your grid650.
- Constant orange signifies your device is charging.
- Constant white means the battery is fully charged.
We will be providing more information and module updates in about one week. Stay tuned and maybe check our Instagram. https://www.instagram.com/gridishere/ (https://www.instagram.com/gridishere/).
Best,
grid
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Post by: JoltFX on Mon, 02 November 2020, 11:10:04
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
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Post by: gridishere on Mon, 02 November 2020, 12:11:30
Angle of the keyboard? Front height, rear height measurements?
5.5 degree incline.
Chassis front height is 19.4mm or 0.764inch; chassis rear height is 33.7mm or 1.33inch. If you are using GMK keycaps, the height measured from the center of keycaps to desktop will be 27mm or 1.06inch. Which is about 1mm lower than grid 600.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 02 November 2020, 12:13:09
I love side mounting points and renders of foam
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Post by: gridishere on Mon, 02 November 2020, 12:18:28
Will plate and/or PCB be open-sourced? Very interested in doing a small/private run of Boardwalk PCBs for this if so.Would love to do that.
Post by: paperassgasket on Mon, 02 November 2020, 12:19:22
I'm just happy to see Grid make a comeback!
Post by: shensmobile on Mon, 02 November 2020, 12:22:11
Will plate and/or PCB be open-sourced? Very interested in doing a small/private run of Boardwalk PCBs for this if so.Would love to do that.
Then put me down for two!
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Post by: fjen on Mon, 02 November 2020, 13:22:23
I don't think the base code support supports hardware indicators so I would love to see the firmware implementation eventually chosen. I'd assume it's going to be open sourced since that's a requirement for QMK/VIA support anyways.
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Post by: thethomaszhou on Mon, 02 November 2020, 16:29:02
i thought grid wouldnt make a comeback but im so glad that im wrong
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Post by: Jolt on Mon, 02 November 2020, 16:37:15
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Post by: Jolt on Mon, 02 November 2020, 16:38:22
I am so ready to buy this, I have been trying to snag the Grid 600 for so long
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Hell I finally made my geekhack account just to say that
Post by: JoltFX on Mon, 02 November 2020, 17:01:10
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 02 November 2020, 17:01:52
I love side mounting points and renders of foam
And what's the price of this btw? Any proto? Plate options?????
Am I being annoying or are these points that should be in the original IC
this feels more like a marketing thing than an actual interest check
Post by: Jolt on Mon, 02 November 2020, 17:48:58
Well hello good sir
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
Pog another Jolt
Post by: gridishere on Mon, 02 November 2020, 18:26:46
I love side mounting points and renders of foam
And what's the price of this btw? Any proto? Plate options?????
Am I being annoying or are these points that should be in the original IC
this feels more like a marketing thing than an actual interest check
The second image, the sceond and forth from the last image are one of our actaul prototypes with final Hub and Front LED indicator design.
(https://i.imgur.com/EWtyPbs.jpg)
Plate option is something we are still working on and would love get feedback from you guys.
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Post by: paulgali on Tue, 03 November 2020, 00:30:20
The second image, the sceond and forth from the last image are one of our actaul prototypes with final Hub and Front LED indicator design.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EWtyPbs.jpg)
Plate option is something we are still working on and would love get feedback from you guys.
Get rid of the side mounting points, it feels terrible and really ruins a board. You rendered a thick plate, but please consider a 1.5mm plate alongside the non-hotswap PCB.
Post by: Rooke-Design on Tue, 03 November 2020, 01:33:50
Post by: Narf on Tue, 03 November 2020, 01:36:26
Does that mean that mean that grid 600 is getting another run soon? Or does that mean that the modules will be interchangeable between grid 600 and grid 650?
- All new modules will be available for grid600 as well.
Will plate and/or PCB be open-sourced? Very interested in doing a small/private run of Boardwalk PCBs for this if so.Would love to do that.
Then put me down for two!
I want in on this so bad. But would that mean a 65% Boardwalk? Or is 600 happening at the same time? Would that mean a BLE Boardwalk? Would the USB hub still work? I am salivating over here.
This checks pretty much every box for me that are just not available in most customs: Hotswap, BLE, USB Hub. If a Boardwalk version of this were available it would be actually be a dream board. If there were some way to get RGB underglow going (even just a small diffuser) somewhere would make it perfect.
I hope the Flash module will be available in a few different colors.
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Post by: keebpleeb on Tue, 03 November 2020, 17:31:02
Likely can't cop due to getting in on the recent S75 drop but GL with GB - If I somehow have extra coin lying around, I'll be sure to try and snag!
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I really hope the price is going to be agreeable.
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Post by: gridishere on Thu, 05 November 2020, 15:36:18
Split spacebar support?
Unfortunately nope, need that space for the BLE chip.
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 05 November 2020, 15:38:46
Your site's https cert is broken/expired by the way. Getting an SSL error when I enter it.
Yeb... will get it fixed when we put 650's content on that. We are collecting info and feedbacks and we might change some details.
Thanks for pointing that out.
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Post by: gridishere on Fri, 13 November 2020, 09:02:26
The second image, the sceond and forth from the last image are one of our actaul prototypes with final Hub and Front LED indicator design.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EWtyPbs.jpg)
Plate option is something we are still working on and would love get feedback from you guys.
Get rid of the side mounting points, it feels terrible and really ruins a board. You rendered a thick plate, but please consider a 1.5mm plate alongside the non-hotswap PCB.
There will be a thinner plate for the non-hotswap PCB. Thanks for pointing that out!
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 13 November 2020, 11:13:37
After hearing some feedback and some talk with you guys. We decided to do a limited run of WKL version of the keyboard.
We spent some time to implement WKL layout support in the non-hotswap board.
(https://i.imgur.com/7gPbQeV.jpg)
So the layout now is a little different. See here.
(https://i.imgur.com/hji0azi.jpg)
GB will be held at zFrontier this decemeber.
Expected fulfill date: MAY 2021.
Still working on the colorway, and suggestions are more than welcomed.
All existing 5 module designs will come in the 650's version. We will be producing 5 new modules for grid 650, and 4 of them will be available for grid 600.
(https://i.imgur.com/753B3YG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/laKdZZb.jpg)
Module Type-01 CLASSIC
IBM Model-F inspired flat top with a pen holder.
(https://i.imgur.com/83LPRnY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zDBfiaT.jpg)
Module Type-01S CLASSIC-S
Upgrade the pen holder into a hand-polished, high shine, stainless steel.
(https://i.imgur.com/7iCZ0yW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ACdvLiw.jpg)
Module Type-02 NEON
Features 3 self-luminous tritium vials, delivers a clean and retro look in the dark.
(https://i.imgur.com/U3acmns.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NFMazvm.jpg)
Module Type-03 PEAKS
Facet design inspired by the form of mountains.
(https://i.imgur.com/CPfyVts.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/q1hpsB1.jpg)
Module Type-04 FLASH
Flat top with addressable RGB lighting. With two buttons to adjusting light effects and colors.
(https://i.imgur.com/zcGbBb1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PXTddWO.jpg)
Module Type-05 PRESS
Four extra keys at a higher platform, virtually create an "R5" height and feeling.
(https://i.imgur.com/iIpaECb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cIVgH4n.jpg)
Module Type-06 WAVE
Organic shape inspired by ocean waves.
(https://i.imgur.com/jcWFkAB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/A3xFKHa.jpg)
Module Type-07 ARRAY
A module utilizes vintage LED displays to indicates time, personal texts, or computer hardware info (PC only).
(https://i.imgur.com/I8q4TxJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ef0x183.jpg)
Module Type-08H LINEAR-H
Module Type-08V LINEAR-V
Two modules share the same simple aesthetic.
(https://i.imgur.com/i8S6JWB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NjA0jXL.jpg)
Module Type-09 STAND
A phone stand module. Compatible with devices within 95mm or 3.74 inches wide and have a thickness between 6.5mm to 12.5mm. It is made of aluminum like most other modules. Its surface contacting with phones will be covered with artificial leather like Alcantara or Thorp.
(https://i.imgur.com/8iO2CPl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SaqOVN8.jpg)
Module Type-10 CIRCLE
A module comes with a knob and a switch to select functions. For example, you can switch from volume adjustment or webpage scrolling. The knob also has a sophisticated design to provide a satisfying feel, commonly seen in the high-end audio system.
Let us know what's your favorite module, and we'd love to hear your feedback.
Post by: avifo98 on Fri, 13 November 2020, 12:21:05
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Post by: careless_esper on Fri, 13 November 2020, 13:45:17
Also, which of the new modules will be made for the 600?
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 13 November 2020, 14:45:57
I think it would be cool to divide the mod section into 2 mod sections.
1 smaller, taking up a 1/3 to the left, where you could have smaller versions of the Circle, Stand, Array, Press, and Neon.
And the 2nd, taking up the rest of the original mod section 2/3, where the options could be the Classic, Classic S, Peaks, Flash, Waves, and Linear.
Maybe you could take that idea and run with it on a TKL version next time, I guess.
Post by: i luv chuletas on Fri, 13 November 2020, 15:24:40
Post by: Jolt on Fri, 13 November 2020, 16:53:35
I may also get the knob.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 13 November 2020, 17:08:17
Post by: richard912 on Fri, 13 November 2020, 18:51:09
Post by: iNv_ForEveR on Fri, 13 November 2020, 19:07:03
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 13 November 2020, 19:55:39
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Fri, 13 November 2020, 21:20:38
I’m most interested for the Array. I’ll also be getting neon for my grid600.
And likely the linear. The grid design is very retro and the dolch like Linear -V is very appealing.
Can the array be programmed ? If so how ?
More than time or texts, I’m more interested in hacking together notifications or some kind.
Post by: glowcloud on Fri, 13 November 2020, 22:59:29
Post by: KevinSanToast on Fri, 13 November 2020, 23:25:11
Will plate and/or PCB be open-sourced? Very interested in doing a small/private run of Boardwalk PCBs for this if so.Would love to do that.
Then put me down for two!
I'm so down for this! Though isn't this board bigger than the Boardwalk's 60%?
Post by: Mechkeeb on Sat, 14 November 2020, 01:01:02
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Post by: hottrout on Mon, 16 November 2020, 04:28:06
Post by: woyaodapian on Mon, 16 November 2020, 06:49:45
Will there be other colors beside white and black for base?
Post by: rogersmj on Mon, 16 November 2020, 09:12:17
I would love to see the screen and the knob combined into one module.
Agreed, being able to program the screen to do things based on knob input would be amazing.
Other than the screen and knob modules, I like Peaks.
Post by: SirKhamenman on Mon, 16 November 2020, 15:35:26
Post by: BrainBunker on Tue, 17 November 2020, 04:25:26
Post by: neutralstate on Tue, 17 November 2020, 08:09:12
So the layout now is a little different. See here.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hji0azi.jpg)
hello there, would it be possible to provide the dimensions for the options in the bottom row?
in particular, i am not sure what the cap dimensions are for the 1st alternative bottom row (the top most green option)
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Post by: Havattack on Tue, 17 November 2020, 15:58:34
From the new modules, I would have to say I like Type-07 ARRAY the most. Do you have any prototypes of the display itself? It looks like a 16-segment display design with a retro nixie tube feel in the renders and just wondering how you were planning on achieving that effect. Great work!
Nixie tube made me think of vacuum tubes.... vacuum tubes made me think of amps.... MAKE A VACUUM TUBE HEADPHONE AMP MODULE!!!! Vacuum tubes sticking out of keyboard would look dope.
It is kind of crazy, given that the mech and audio communities seem to share many of the same constituents that no one has yet come up with a keyboard with an amp/DAC in it.... (if only i had the motivation..)
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Tue, 17 November 2020, 18:51:47
Nixie tube made me think of vacuum tubes.... vacuum tubes made me think of amps.... MAKE A VACUUM TUBE HEADPHONE AMP MODULE!!!! Vacuum tubes sticking out of keyboard would look dope.
It is kind of crazy, given that the mech and audio communities seem to share many of the same constituents that no one has yet come up with a keyboard with an amp/DAC in it.... (if only i had the motivation..)
now that you mention it, i'm surprised this crossover hasn't happened yet! not a bad idea imo
Post by: BrainBunker on Tue, 17 November 2020, 19:04:05
Nixie tube made me think of vacuum tubes.... vacuum tubes made me think of amps.... MAKE A VACUUM TUBE HEADPHONE AMP MODULE!!!! Vacuum tubes sticking out of keyboard would look dope.
It is kind of crazy, given that the mech and audio communities seem to share many of the same constituents that no one has yet come up with a keyboard with an amp/DAC in it.... (if only i had the motivation..)
now that you mention it, i'm surprised this crossover hasn't happened yet! not a bad idea imo
Oh man, that sounds like a great idea and would look incredible. it would keep your desk clean too since your keyboard now doubles as an amp/dac if you were going to have those anyway.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:28:55
Can you post a typing test?
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I remember I have replied you answer but it is gone or something werid happen.
Well, the video we sent on instagram has its typing sound in the background.
I reckon it is not enough. We will set up soon.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:32:30
any rough timeline? this year had alot of stuff to buy near end of the year
The plan is the GB will be held this December on zFrontier most likely and we will finish all manufacturing and shipping 2021 May.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:33:43
Approximately how much time before the gb start date would we be informed about the gb?
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We plan to do the gb in two weeks. Working on color sets.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:38:34
Any possibility of some of the older modules returning for the Grid600? I missed out on the Neon module the first time around, and they aren't exactly common, so buying it on /r/mechmarket isn't really an option.
Also, which of the new modules will be made for the 600?
Thanks for supporting us! Actually we do have a set of black NEON for grid 600 available. E-mail me and we will send you an invoice if you are still interested. It is gridsihere@gmail.com
For the new modules, apart from the CIRCLE, the knob one, everything else will be available in the 600 form.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:39:51
I wish i could have FLASH and Circle on the same mod..
I think it would be cool to divide the mod section into 2 mod sections.
1 smaller, taking up a 1/3 to the left, where you could have smaller versions of the Circle, Stand, Array, Press, and Neon.
And the 2nd, taking up the rest of the original mod section 2/3, where the options could be the Classic, Classic S, Peaks, Flash, Waves, and Linear.
Maybe you could take that idea and run with it on a TKL version next time, I guess.
Like this idea, will see if it can come in the future. Appreciated!
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:41:03
Any word on how many will be made?
It will be an unlimited GB. We will also make some extra modules.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:41:43
Will there be build guide for this board? Looks kinda complicated...
Of course.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:44:12
Will winkey blockers be available for the Grid600?
We made a few of them before. WKL blockers and HHKB blockers.
It is a little difficult for us to make just one set. Sorry.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:45:29
Gorgeous. Would also like to know price and quantity of the sale. Very keen and amazing work!
Will there be other colors beside white and black for base?
We are considering grey as an option. Any suggestions?
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:48:58
Thank you Thank you !!
I’m most interested for the Array. I’ll also be getting neon for my grid600.
And likely the linear. The grid design is very retro and the dolch like Linear -V is very appealing.
Can the array be programmed ? If so how ?
More than time or texts, I’m more interested in hacking together notifications or some kind.
Thanks! That is the style we pursue.
The current prototype of ARRAY is running on Atmel 32U4 using Caterlina as bootloader ( Arduino) and technically it can run QMK as well.
Would love to see your work.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:54:08
From the new modules, I would have to say I like Type-07 ARRAY the most. Do you have any prototypes of the display itself? It looks like a 16-segment display design with a retro nixie tube feel in the renders and just wondering how you were planning on achieving that effect. Great work!
Please search HPDL1414. I believe that will be more helpful.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:56:48
So the layout now is a little different. See here.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hji0azi.jpg)
hello there, would it be possible to provide the dimensions for the options in the bottom row?
in particular, i am not sure what the cap dimensions are for the 1st alternative bottom row (the top most green option)
Hi there, the first space bar is 6.25U, the second is 6U, and the rest are 7U. We should have put that info in the image, will do next time. Thanks for pointing that out!
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 18 November 2020, 07:05:45
Nixie tube made me think of vacuum tubes.... vacuum tubes made me think of amps.... MAKE A VACUUM TUBE HEADPHONE AMP MODULE!!!! Vacuum tubes sticking out of keyboard would look dope.
It is kind of crazy, given that the mech and audio communities seem to share many of the same constituents that no one has yet come up with a keyboard with an amp/DAC in it.... (if only i had the motivation..)
now that you mention it, i'm surprised this crossover hasn't happened yet! not a bad idea imo
Oh man, that sounds like a great idea and would look incredible. it would keep your desk clean too since your keyboard now doubles as an amp/dac if you were going to have those anyway.
We've seriously thought about that! Will be great if we can work with people with experience with DAC. Maybe one day we can let some good looking Nixie tube sing a harmony for us.
Post by: neutralstate on Wed, 18 November 2020, 08:48:08
So the layout now is a little different. See here.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hji0azi.jpg)
hello there, would it be possible to provide the dimensions for the options in the bottom row?
in particular, i am not sure what the cap dimensions are for the 1st alternative bottom row (the top most green option)
Hi there, the first space bar is 6.25U, the second is 6U, and the rest are 7U. We should have put that info in the image, will do next time. Thanks for pointing that out!
gotcha, thanks!
Post by: careless_esper on Wed, 18 November 2020, 09:36:18
Any possibility of some of the older modules returning for the Grid600? I missed out on the Neon module the first time around, and they aren't exactly common, so buying it on /r/mechmarket isn't really an option.
Also, which of the new modules will be made for the 600?
Thanks for supporting us! Actually we do have a set of black NEON for grid 600 available. E-mail me and we will send you an invoice if you are still interested. It is gridsihere@gmail.com
For the new modules, apart from the CIRCLE, the knob one, everything else will be available in the 600 form.
Awesome, just sent you an email!
Post by: wongie on Wed, 18 November 2020, 09:39:51
Post by: SirKhamenman on Wed, 18 November 2020, 12:10:56
Thank you for keeping to the standard 65% layout with no blocker! This board has brought me out of mech hibernation, will 110% be committing to the GB once live.
Post by: Gepriester on Wed, 18 November 2020, 13:10:05
Gorgeous. Would also like to know price and quantity of the sale. Very keen and amazing work!
Will there be other colors beside white and black for base?
We are considering grey as an option. Any suggestions?
I'd love to see silver or a light grey as a colorway. Something that would fit with classic sets <3
Post by: Wolframme on Wed, 18 November 2020, 15:36:02
It will be an unlimited GB. We will also make some extra modules.
I'm super excited for this now and so happy it'll be an unlimited GB again. I don't have my Grid600 anymore because of the lack of dedicated arrow keys but this will be perfect.
Post by: Dazon on Wed, 18 November 2020, 19:39:57
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Post by: woyaodapian on Wed, 18 November 2020, 19:58:31
Post by: darthcapn on Wed, 18 November 2020, 21:12:07
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Post by: richard912 on Wed, 18 November 2020, 22:46:00
Hooray for unlimited GB ! !Any word on how many will be made?
It will be an unlimited GB. We will also make some extra modules.
Post by: drone_cold on Wed, 18 November 2020, 22:57:47
Gorgeous. Would also like to know price and quantity of the sale. Very keen and amazing work!
Will there be other colors beside white and black for base?
We are considering grey as an option. Any suggestions?
Way more than a bit niche to ask for, but perhaps purple? Purple, like, 'Dark Purple', RAL 300 20 25 Purple. Not sure I can recall another board in the 40%+ class in any shade since the CA66, so I have to ask. But of course grey (like, graphite?) is lovely too!
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 19 November 2020, 01:59:20
Just to confirm, only new module designs will be available for 600? I won't be able to get a Classic top in the new colors for 600?
Post by: prognostics on Thu, 19 November 2020, 05:09:44
Grey would be a nice color addition!
Just to confirm, only new module designs will be available for 600? I won't be able to get a Classic top in the new colors for 600?
No, you will not be able to. The 650 module would be too long for the 600 grid.
Source: their insta
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 19 November 2020, 11:57:19
I rather have a vac tube amp then a DAC. (I rather have both, but if i had to pick one..) I would try to do a "collab" with a small/moderately sized audio company. I would try contacting "Schiit.com" 1st. Great products, GREAT prices. They're an awesome company. Do collabs with other small companies all the time. All ready have fairly small sized DACs and amps, and have several products that are "modular' and sell pcb upgrades for their products. And i just like the company.
Nixie tube made me think of vacuum tubes.... vacuum tubes made me think of amps.... MAKE A VACUUM TUBE HEADPHONE AMP MODULE!!!! Vacuum tubes sticking out of keyboard would look dope.
It is kind of crazy, given that the mech and audio communities seem to share many of the same constituents that no one has yet come up with a keyboard with an amp/DAC in it.... (if only i had the motivation..)
now that you mention it, i'm surprised this crossover hasn't happened yet! not a bad idea imo
Oh man, that sounds like a great idea and would look incredible. it would keep your desk clean too since your keyboard now doubles as an amp/dac if you were going to have those anyway.
We've seriously thought about that! Will be great if we can work with people with experience with DAC. Maybe one day we can let some good looking Nixie tube sing a harmony for us.
You could also just do a simple "equalizer" module.
That, or maybe contacting Drop's audio community, and seeing if they know or can recommend any companies/people
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 19 November 2020, 12:05:47
Grey would be a nice color addition!
Just to confirm, only new module designs will be available for 600? I won't be able to get a Classic top in the new colors for 600?
We are really hesitating on that color! We will make most modules available for 600 in the GB.
Post by: tawood79 on Fri, 20 November 2020, 12:18:09
Post by: BrainBunker on Sun, 22 November 2020, 16:59:15
I rather have a vac tube amp then a DAC. (I rather have both, but if i had to pick one..) I would try to do a "collab" with a small/moderately sized audio company. I would try contacting "Schiit.com" 1st. Great products, GREAT prices. They're an awesome company. Do collabs with other small companies all the time. All ready have fairly small sized DACs and amps, and have several products that are "modular' and sell pcb upgrades for their products. And i just like the company.
Nixie tube made me think of vacuum tubes.... vacuum tubes made me think of amps.... MAKE A VACUUM TUBE HEADPHONE AMP MODULE!!!! Vacuum tubes sticking out of keyboard would look dope.
It is kind of crazy, given that the mech and audio communities seem to share many of the same constituents that no one has yet come up with a keyboard with an amp/DAC in it.... (if only i had the motivation..)
now that you mention it, i'm surprised this crossover hasn't happened yet! not a bad idea imo
Oh man, that sounds like a great idea and would look incredible. it would keep your desk clean too since your keyboard now doubles as an amp/dac if you were going to have those anyway.
We've seriously thought about that! Will be great if we can work with people with experience with DAC. Maybe one day we can let some good looking Nixie tube sing a harmony for us.
You could also just do a simple "equalizer" module.
That, or maybe contacting Drop's audio community, and seeing if they know or can recommend any companies/people
I can second that Schiit makes very good audio products, and I would be ecstatic to own a keyboard with a Schiit DAC+AMP built in :)
Post by: KevinSanToast on Sun, 22 November 2020, 17:00:50
Post by: gridishere on Tue, 24 November 2020, 08:33:54
Since you plan on making more modules for the 600; do you plan on making more 600 cases?
Very likely, we are working on that!
Post by: donny_pete on Tue, 24 November 2020, 10:26:22
Post by: orpheo on Tue, 24 November 2020, 12:59:19
Module Type-10 CIRCLE : top class, I would love that really.
Module Type-08V LINEAR-V : subdued, if it's cheap I'll buy a spare just for the change
Module Type-07 ARRAY : my top buy, please make it stand alone, and not software slaved
Module Type-02 NEON : I love the look, if it's cheap I will buy as spare
The color is great, but may I suggest a mutted and matte white color instead of the plain white? Almost like a light grey.
For the module, I love your renders already!
Open an IC so I can't miss that!
Post by: esosu0 on Thu, 26 November 2020, 23:11:27
Gorgeous. Would also like to know price and quantity of the sale. Very keen and amazing work!
Will there be other colors beside white and black for base?
We are considering grey as an option. Any suggestions?
Silver would be nice, and I like the almost black navy shown so far in renders.
Post by: RogueArchitect on Mon, 30 November 2020, 18:06:29
Post by: mechs on Tue, 01 December 2020, 04:48:06
- Type-01S CLASSIC-S
- Type-04 FLASH
- Type-08H LINEAR-H (in a deep maroon would be awesome)
Cannot wait!!! :D
Post by: darko on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:04:04
there is two sets which would be perfect, GMK Navy and the one I linked PoN...
Post by: RogueArchitect on Tue, 01 December 2020, 19:00:01
I would also like to see a blocker that separates the arrow keys.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 02 December 2020, 12:58:48
(https://i.imgur.com/KXorFXH.jpg)
The structural design of the plate.
(https://i.imgur.com/FIqjYIN.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/mX7GAb4.jpg)
1.5mm universal plate shown here.
The gap between the plate to the PCB is filled by 3mm felt.
The purple gaskets in the image are the hard ones.
This plate is compatible with WKL layout.
(https://i.imgur.com/vx9osU8.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/ldXOp6d.jpg)
4mm stiff plate shown here.
This plate is designed for hotswap PCB.
The translucent gaskets in the image are the soft ones.
This plate is not compatible with WKL layout.
About colorway
Many thanks to people and friends for giving us feedback and suggestions on colors.
Chassis will be available in Black, E-white, and Navy.
Modules will be available in Black, Navy, Purple, Teal, Maroon, Rose, and Silver.
We've done some renderings with different keycaps. Enjoy. ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/IX59o1r.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TAe75V0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xgoBgEk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/p1IfCJo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vJ3ZQ7d.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PV8ygXF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LBj3j0F.jpg)
Please let me know your thoughts.
Post by: SirKhamenman on Wed, 02 December 2020, 13:41:45
Post by: wongie on Wed, 02 December 2020, 13:44:50
Post by: watchsasquatch on Wed, 02 December 2020, 15:33:16
Post by: yomamatoofat on Wed, 02 December 2020, 18:21:51
1. The BLE version supports Wired and Wireless correct?
2. I have read your previous messages that the GB is unlimited, but I’ve also read you’re making the WKL limited, is this correct?
Post by: kawhi on Wed, 02 December 2020, 18:40:46
Post by: Tatcursio on Wed, 02 December 2020, 19:48:27
Post by: cmanon on Wed, 02 December 2020, 20:06:54
Post by: prizeS on Wed, 02 December 2020, 20:14:32
@grid team, can you speak to the reliability of Zfrontier? I've seen some mixed reviews about their fulfillment, even with grid600. Given that Zfrontier is the only option, I just want to make sure there's some reliability here.
purchased multiple items from Zfrontier before, and haven't had any issues with them. shipping is fast and their packaging is good. I'm in NA, and they seem to be the first to ship among GBs that span multiple vendors. that said, i haven't had to deal with their CS before, so i can't speak on that end.
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:34:20
@grid team, can you speak to the reliability of Zfrontier? I've seen some mixed reviews about their fulfillment, even with grid600. Given that Zfrontier is the only option, I just want to make sure there's some reliability here.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Things do happen occasionally with zFrontier.
From what I learned from working with them, they are okay and they are still helping us with failed part replacement and so on.
We've also designed a new set of packaging so it should help as well.
You can always E-mail me if there is anything that disappoints you and we will do our best to work it out.
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:37:19
I have a few questions:
1. The BLE version supports Wired and Wireless correct?
2. I have read your previous messages that the GB is unlimited, but I’ve also read you’re making the WKL limited, is this correct?
1. Yes. You can switch between BLE and USB using hot keys.
2. Both of them are unlimited during GB.
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:40:11
why does the hotswap pcb require such a thick plate?It provides a more uniform feeling when used with the soft gaskets.
You can also choose the 1.5mm universal plate if you prefer that.
We will have a video to explain both plates.
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:40:41
Does the Flash module only comes in black color?
You can choose any module in 7 colors.
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:42:57
Is the Module 10 CIRCLE, happening in the future?
Yes, most likely March 2021.
The thing is that we are not happy with the knob feeling right now.
Also, we have some feedback on merging this module with other modules, like Module 07 ARRAY.
So some engineering works need to be done.
Post by: sneekypoo on Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:51:10
Post by: esosu0 on Thu, 03 December 2020, 02:15:50
I'm glad the modules are being run in multiple colours, I was hoping to have array in a colour that better matches E-white.
Oops, should've gone back to the OP.
Post by: airyimbin on Thu, 03 December 2020, 02:17:29
Any idea on a date and GB run length as of yet?Look at the first post. It's been updated with information.
I'm glad the modules are being run in multiple colours, I was hoping to have array in a colour that better matches E-white.
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Post by: dkcongtusoi on Thu, 03 December 2020, 02:30:59
Post by: prizeS on Thu, 03 December 2020, 02:57:54
is it safe to assume that we won't have the option to buy different modules with one board?
edit: i'm blind.
Post by: airyimbin on Thu, 03 December 2020, 03:33:01
not sure if i missed this somewhere within the thread, but i didn't see pricing for individual modules.Look at them first post. There's a column for module prices.
is it safe to assume that we won't have the option to buy different modules with one board?
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Post by: kawhi on Thu, 03 December 2020, 03:57:49
It provides a more uniform feeling when used with the soft gaskets.
You can also choose the 1.5mm universal plate if you prefer that.
We will have a video to explain both plates.
look forward to the video! thanks for the reply :thumb:
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 03 December 2020, 07:29:28
Does the grid650 hotswapable PCB support per key rgb led?
Nope, not enough ROM and those RGB LED draw too much power for a BLE board.
Post by: cmanon on Thu, 03 December 2020, 08:33:06
Is the Module 10 CIRCLE, happening in the future?
Yes, most likely March 2021.
The thing is that we are not happy with the knob feeling right now.
Also, we have some feedback on merging this module with other modules, like Module 07 ARRAY.
So some engineering works need to be done.
Thanks for the reply, this is really interesting I was one of the people who asked those two modules to be merged so if that is happening I can skip 07 ARRAY module this time around and get the combined module in the future!
Two more questions about the modules:
Module Type-04 FLASH: Is this QMK programmable?
Module Type-05 PRESS: Is this hotswap or solderable?
Post by: mechs on Thu, 03 December 2020, 10:21:10
BOARD:
06 WAVE MODULE (SILVER), GASKET(BLE)
CHASSIS > E-WHITE
HOT-SWAP PCB
= $475
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MODULES:
TYPE-01S CLASSIC-S > SILVER $65
TYPE-03 PEAKS > SILVER $65
TYPE-04 FLASH > SILVER $65
TYPE-08H LINEAR-H > SILVER $65, TEAL $65
= $325
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HUB PCB = $30
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WTB EXTRAS:
BLE PCB = $70
Grand Total = eating plain rice for 2 months probably. Bring it on :))
Post by: CookieFlow on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:28:53
So since module 10 circle got delayed.
Will it be available on Zfrontier at a later date? Would it ship at the same time as the Grid 650 or later?
Can I order a BLE board and an extra wired PCB? Or if I want an extra PCB it needs to be BLE also?
Post by: jacobc436 on Thu, 03 December 2020, 15:27:16
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jcWFkAB.jpg)
Module Type-07 ARRAY
A module utilizes vintage LED displays to indicates time, personal texts, or computer hardware info (PC only).
It looks like a PDSP-188x you've got there! I love those displays I have 6 in a box right behind me. Any chance we would have a module that has more than two side-by-side? Maybe multiple lines of these displays arranged on the top of the keyboard?
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 03 December 2020, 17:37:20
Post by: rogersmj on Thu, 03 December 2020, 19:49:48
Quote
Nevertheless, you will not be able to modify any BLE related keycodes unless VIA starts to support it. Still, it is possible to use the wired version firmware with the BLE board.
What does this mean, exactly? We won't be able to customize key mapping on the BLE version? I don't understand, would appreciate some help here.
Post by: esosu0 on Thu, 03 December 2020, 20:59:11
why does the hotswap pcb require such a thick plate?It provides a more uniform feeling when used with the soft gaskets.
You can also choose the 1.5mm universal plate if you prefer that.
We will have a video to explain both plates.
Keen to see it, hoping 1.5mm plate with hotswap doesn't have any issues.
Post by: RogueArchitect on Fri, 04 December 2020, 03:44:37
Is there a possibility for a hotswap PCB for the WKL version?
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 04 December 2020, 04:28:37
Post by: az5 on Fri, 04 December 2020, 05:16:41
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....
Module Type-09 STAND needs to be modified so that the groove in the faceplate is longer. This will allow smartphones to lay horizontally.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 04 December 2020, 21:50:34
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....
Module Type-09 STAND needs to be modified so that the groove in the faceplate is longer. This will allow smartphones to lay horizontally.
Thanks for pointing that out. Love that idea. Will improve. Many thanks!
Post by: Denker88 on Sat, 05 December 2020, 19:54:34
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....
Hi!
1. Is there any information about the colors of the case and modules?
2. Can you tell us more about module 07? What information can be displayed? How to program? Will the display be only red or will there be a choice?
Post by: gridishere on Sat, 05 December 2020, 21:06:17
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....
Hi!
1. Is there any information about the colors of the case and modules?
2. Can you tell us more about module 07? What information can be displayed? How to program? Will the display be only red or will there be a choice?
Hey,
1. For colors, please check https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109386.msg2986682#msg2986682 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109386.msg2986682#msg2986682)
2. Module 7 uses a 4 DL1414 as display. Total 16 digits. It can display Time, Your PC hardware info (windows only), and text you want. It uses Arduino to program. Only red.
Post by: CookieFlow on Sun, 06 December 2020, 08:18:31
Hi,
Since module 10 circle got delayed.
Will it be available on Zfrontier at a later date? Would it ship at the same time as the Grid 650 or later?
Can I order a BLE board and an extra wired PCB? Or if I want an extra PCB it needs to be BLE also?
Thanks !
Post by: gridishere on Sun, 06 December 2020, 08:46:22
@Gridisphere
Hi,
Since module 10 circle got delayed.
Will it be available on Zfrontier at a later date? Would it ship at the same time as the Grid 650 or later?
Can I order a BLE board and an extra wired PCB? Or if I want an extra PCB it needs to be BLE also?
Thanks !
It would be, should be around March. Working on the resistance of the knob and possibly a completely new structure.
We will see if we can make that ship before May.
You can order a BLE board and a wired PCB. Both of them should work fine. The wired version is simply without the BLE module.
Post by: gridishere on Sun, 06 December 2020, 09:05:07
Hi there, I hate to say that... but neither of them is on our plan. Sorry....
Module Type-09 STAND needs to be modified so that the groove in the faceplate is longer. This will allow smartphones to lay horizontally.
Hi az5, we have improved the MOD 9 design according to your idea. Huge thanks! updates on the first page.
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 06 December 2020, 09:39:37
Post by: RogueArchitect on Sun, 06 December 2020, 15:08:19
Post by: Denker88 on Sun, 06 December 2020, 15:19:02
Post by: clackeys on Sun, 06 December 2020, 17:27:59
Post by: gridishere on Sun, 06 December 2020, 18:23:01
Sad to see the grey ano option got dismissed ( from the first Module 10 renders ), any chance for just the modules in a grey option? :D
Thanks for your feedback. We do like that grey color and it is highly likely we will make that available for that module.
Post by: Starius on Tue, 08 December 2020, 14:57:58
:thumb:
Post by: KRY2SOON on Tue, 08 December 2020, 22:49:10
Post by: energyd on Wed, 09 December 2020, 02:18:52
Post by: jcai33 on Wed, 09 December 2020, 17:02:20
wonder if the module can be avalible in E-white as well? Going for that universal look with the E white but silver seems not really matching and black is too subtle....
Also want more renders plz! Zfrontier dont have enough renders to show different options! TY
Post by: esosu0 on Wed, 09 December 2020, 22:24:53
Post by: OwLab on Thu, 10 December 2020, 06:13:42
Post by: rogersmj on Thu, 10 December 2020, 07:10:16
so the ble version is not programmable?
I'm still trying to get an answer to this, I posted earlier but it hasn't been answered. I'm confused by the language about that too.
@gridishere, can you please address this?
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 10 December 2020, 07:54:50
Quote
65% layout, QMK BLE, with optional non BLE version
Quote
All the boards run on QMK, and the wired variants are VIA-compatible.
For the BLE version, it is challenging due to the limits of ROM size. We are still working on that. Nevertheless, you will not be able to modify any BLE related keycodes unless VIA starts to support it. Still, it is possible to use the wired version firmware with the BLE board.
This means the BLE pcb supports QMK, which is fully programmable. :thumb:
Post by: KaosJ on Thu, 10 December 2020, 08:47:37
Or the bluetooth versione once is it wires, will just charge but the keyboard will still go in bluetooth mode (with the consequence of blt-latency)
Post by: Starius on Thu, 10 December 2020, 10:09:26
https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/grid-650
Perhaps that will change soon!
Post by: cmanon on Thu, 10 December 2020, 11:21:05
The list of countries for shipping is limited, is this the final list?
Can you provide more information about the catalina bootloader?
Post by: vulk on Thu, 10 December 2020, 11:38:04
1. To confirm, since it's a little unclear, if I go with the BLE board, will VIA not work at all, not even if using it wired?
2. How complicated is the set up for the battery, especially if using the FLASH module? Is it worth going with BLE if I plan on using FLASH?
3. What is the plate material? How much stiffer will the 4mm plate be vs 1.5mm + felt?
4. I too was wondering how the bootloader will work for programming the FLASH module.
5. Will more modules be easily available at a later date?
Thanks so much! Super excited!
Post by: Skivt68 on Thu, 10 December 2020, 13:17:20
(I'm aware there is a hotswap PCB option, but I'd like to have split backspace, stepped capslock, and some R1 changes, which are not supported by the hotswap layout)
Post by: j0hn3h on Thu, 10 December 2020, 13:29:51
Post by: trashpanda on Thu, 10 December 2020, 14:32:51
Post by: Gao on Thu, 10 December 2020, 17:33:03
Is front LED programmable? How does it work for wired-only PCB?
Post by: rogersmj on Thu, 10 December 2020, 19:49:16
White hotswap BLE with 1.5mm plate and silver peaks, plus a black Array module.
Post by: mightyowl on Thu, 10 December 2020, 20:56:14
Post by: aestrialz on Thu, 10 December 2020, 21:45:17
Interested in the Flash module, but confused on exactly how it works. I see on the posting that battery DIY cables are included and that its not compatible with the included battery holder. So does the Flash module work as intended when the cable is connected, but some DIY work has to go in to get it working when on BLE? Appreciate any clarification!
The same question for me. I would like to know the level of customization that we need to do.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 03:50:53
It is possible to get a 4mm thick universal plate? I would really like the option to get both and more importantly the consistent feel the 4mm one is supposed to provide.
Is there a possibility for a hotswap PCB for the WKL version?
We don’t have this option available unfortunately. We will think and prototype on that. The feedback come from a 4mm universal plate should be not even though, given the amount of material taken at the bottom row.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 04:13:24
It is live now, two more questions:
The list of countries for shipping is limited, is this the final list?
Can you provide more information about the catalina bootloader?
Will ask zFrontier about the country thing. Catalina bootloader is Arduino’s bootloader. Arruino will see the board as Leonardo.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 04:27:59
so the ble version is not programmable?
It is powered by QMK. So it is. VIA doesn’t support BLE related keys.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 05:28:02
Such a nce looking board!
wonder if the module can be avalible in E-white as well? Going for that universal look with the E white but silver seems not really matching and black is too subtle....
Also want more renders plz! Zfrontier dont have enough renders to show different options! TY
Sorry no E-white models.
We will combine all info, render, images, and put them on our website.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 05:32:01
No plans for a hotswap layout 1.5mm plate? Would definitely prefer this to the 4mm plate
We do have many request on that. We are considering to do that. However we do love the feel of the 4mm version (which is also more expensive to manufacture).
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 05:41:56
I wanted to ask about the side mounting points on the plate options. There appears to be direct contact of the case and plate and then an o-ring before the screw. I would think just based on looking at it that is would take away from the gasket mounted feel and if there was compression it might make noise when the two come back in to contact? Clearly I'm missing something, can you help educate me as to how this works?
Thanks for pointing that out. Actually there are EVA paddings between 2 aluminium pieces. Those paddings were not shown in the first explosion rendering. Sorry for causing that confusion.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 05:54:31
I also had a few questions I just want to clarify before purchasing:
1. To confirm, since it's a little unclear, if I go with the BLE board, will VIA not work at all, not even if using it wired?
2. How complicated is the set up for the battery, especially if using the FLASH module? Is it worth going with BLE if I plan on using FLASH?
3. What is the plate material? How much stiffer will the 4mm plate be vs 1.5mm + felt?
4. I too was wondering how the bootloader will work for programming the FLASH module.
5. Will more modules be easily available at a later date?
Thanks so much! Super excited!
1.Thanks for asking. We do have a test version firmware for BLE board with limited support. Basicaly if you would never touch those BLE-related keycodes, you should be okay. However, we need to do some long time test before we can confirm things like stability.
2. If you can do some soldering, you should be okay.
3. Plates are made of aluminium, machine-milled to give it the most accurate shape.
4. Answered above, it would be like an Arduino, and it is fairly easy to work with.
5. We have Module Type-10 CIRCLE in the pipeline and we are working on a better structure design (the current one has a little bit play). We would love to make more and ideas are more than welcomed!
Hope it helps. Many thanks.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 05:59:12
Haven't seen anyone ask yet, is the solder PCB compatible with Mill-Max sockets?
(I'm aware there is a hotswap PCB option, but I'd like to have split backspace, stepped capslock, and some R1 changes, which are not supported by the hotswap layout)
Thanks for asking that. We haven't look into the Mill-Max sockets situation. They should be compatible but I am a little concerned about the strength of some pins as, in some cases, cut into half to fit other layouts. Also, we used the space for split backspace for BLE chips. That's why.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 06:01:43
Was there going to be modules available for grid600? I think I remember reading that there would be. Thanks!
They will be! Just not at this moment as grid 650 is taking the most energy and resource we have. We plan to make modules for 600 in mid-2021.
Thanks for understanding.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 06:05:14
Seconding the Q about the "Battery DIY cables included" for the FLASH module. would this run off a separate battery? If the battery shown in the layered view renders is the one that powers the keyboard... where does the extra battery go? Or is FLASH only compatible with a wired version?
The included cable will help you to connect a third-party battery. The battery needs to be thin like the one used in tablets and go underneath the chassic.
FLASH is fully compatible with a wired version and we recommend to use FLASH in a wired setup, considering it will drain the battery fast.
Post by: ZoomBoy on Fri, 11 December 2020, 06:55:15
Post by: rogersmj on Fri, 11 December 2020, 07:02:54
No plans for a hotswap layout 1.5mm plate? Would definitely prefer this to the 4mm plate
We do have many request on that. We are considering to do that. However we do love the feel of the 4mm version (which is also more expensive to manufacture).
Wait...the 1.5mm plate won't work with hotswap? That's what I just ordered. Your post said it's a universal plate, I assumed that meant it would work with all PCBs/layouts. And the zFrontier site didn't stop me from picking that option.
EDIT: Never mind, I see this in the original post now, I either missed it or it was updated since I first looked:
4mm stiff plate designed for hotswap boards
1.5mm universal plate designed for solderable boards
Would be nice if the zFrontier store stopped you from picking incompatible options. Now I have to get them to cancel my order.
Post by: rogersmj on Fri, 11 December 2020, 07:04:27
Post by: aestrialz on Fri, 11 December 2020, 08:32:05
Seconding the Q about the "Battery DIY cables included" for the FLASH module. would this run off a separate battery? If the battery shown in the layered view renders is the one that powers the keyboard... where does the extra battery go? Or is FLASH only compatible with a wired version?
The included cable will help you to connect a third-party battery. The battery needs to be thin like the one used in tablets and go underneath the chassic.
FLASH is fully compatible with a wired version and we recommend to use FLASH in a wired setup, considering it will drain the battery fast.
Got it! Thanks
Post by: defiantcouture on Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:13:25
Will there be build guide for this board? Looks kinda complicated...Yeah... This will be my first board and it'd be nice to have a guide or something.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:47:08
Question:
Is front LED programmable? How does it work for wired-only PCB?
The board is powered by QMK. So it is programmable.
The default setting for a wiered-only PCB is breathing white, and orange when it capslock is pressed.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:47:36
Placed my order!
White hotswap BLE with 1.5mm plate and silver peaks, plus a black Array module.
Thanks for your support!
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:56:55
Interested in the Flash module, but confused on exactly how it works. I see on the posting that battery DIY cables are included and that its not compatible with the included battery holder. So does the Flash module work as intended when the cable is connected, but some DIY work has to go in to get it working when on BLE? Appreciate any clarification!You get it completely right.
The module type-04 FLASH is recommended for wired setup because it takes the space for the 18650 battery holder and is thirsty for the battery.
The DIY process requires:
1. Attach a thin flat lithium battery onto the base plate.
2. Cut off some felt to give the battery some space.
3. Wire the provided cable.
Notice that the battery is now on the base plate instead of middle frame of the keyboard, so take it easy when you open the keyboard.
Post by: kanki0213 on Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:58:03
Plz reply to this questionInterested in the Flash module, but confused on exactly how it works. I see on the posting that battery DIY cables are included and that its not compatible with the included battery holder. So does the Flash module work as intended when the cable is connected, but some DIY work has to go in to get it working when on BLE? Appreciate any clarification!
The same question for me. I would like to know the level of customization that we need to do.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:59:21
Still confused about Array but very interested. If I wanted to have a Hotswap Wired setup can I also get Array without having to purchase anything else? Can I easily swap over to Flash with the same setup? If too complicated I'll stick to Hotswap Wired + Flash.
If it is a wired setup. You don't need a 18650 battery holder.
And that is fully compatible with FLASH without any modifications.
Module ARRAY and FLASH share the same cable.
Post by: KurageOuji on Fri, 11 December 2020, 11:36:04
Post by: cmanon on Fri, 11 December 2020, 12:18:50
It is live now, two more questions:
The list of countries for shipping is limited, is this the final list?
Can you provide more information about the catalina bootloader?
Will ask zFrontier about the country thing. Catalina bootloader is Arduino’s bootloader. Arruino will see the board as Leonardo.
Thanks for the answers.
Can you share more details how the communication works for the ARRAY Module? I see there's just Windows support, I'm wondering if there's some details that I can develop the support for other OS or there's a hardware limitation (I don't think so).
I'm pretty exited, just waiting for my country to appear on the list to order.
Post by: Skivt68 on Fri, 11 December 2020, 13:13:07
Haven't seen anyone ask yet, is the solder PCB compatible with Mill-Max sockets?
(I'm aware there is a hotswap PCB option, but I'd like to have split backspace, stepped capslock, and some R1 changes, which are not supported by the hotswap layout)
Thanks for asking that. We haven't look into the Mill-Max sockets situation. They should be compatible but I am a little concerned about the strength of some pins as, in some cases, cut into half to fit other layouts. Also, we used the space for split backspace for BLE chips. That's why.
Thanks for the answer!
To clarify, the solder boards (which support split backspace) do still have BLE correct? You just mean the chips are in a different location on the hotswap pcb?
Also, I'm wondering what the drill size is for the pins? I understand the strength concern with the cut pins, but mostly I want to make sure the drill size is large enough, as I have seen pcbs that can't support mill-max due to the drill size being too small.
Post by: montasar on Fri, 11 December 2020, 17:54:09
Post by: KurageOuji on Sat, 12 December 2020, 03:12:05
Is the Module 10 CIRCLE, happening in the future?
Yes, most likely March 2021.
The thing is that we are not happy with the knob feeling right now.
Also, we have some feedback on merging this module with other modules, like Module 07 ARRAY.
So some engineering works need to be done.
Thanks for the reply, this is really interesting I was one of the people who asked those two modules to be merged so if that is happening I can skip 07 ARRAY module this time around and get the combined module in the future!
Two more questions about the modules:
Module Type-04 FLASH: Is this QMK programmable?
Module Type-05 PRESS: Is this hotswap or solderable?
wondering as well if we need to solder for the press module. hoping its hotswap
Post by: drone_cold on Sat, 12 December 2020, 13:36:48
Post by: AllieBlairThomas on Sat, 12 December 2020, 14:55:07
Post by: rogersmj on Mon, 14 December 2020, 08:39:39
- Is the 1.5mm plate compatible with hotswap PCB?
- Can ARRAY be used over Bluetooth, or only wired?
- How is ARRAY programmed/interfaced? Other than saying it's PC only, I haven't seen any details about how it will work.
- Is PRESS hotswap or solder?
Post by: KurageOuji on Mon, 14 December 2020, 12:48:39
@gridishere, there are several people with outstanding questions (myself included) about the module and plate compatibilities. I already cancelled my first order because of some confusion but I'd like to place another. Please answer these questions.
- Is the 1.5mm plate compatible with hotswap PCB?
- Can ARRAY be used over Bluetooth, or only wired?
- How is ARRAY programmed/interfaced? Other than saying it's PC only, I haven't seen any details about how it will work.
- Is PRESS hotswap or solder?
ill send a message to zfrontier support. gb runner doesnt seem to be responsive...
Post by: CookieFlow on Mon, 14 December 2020, 19:49:04
-About 4 Flash.
It's not very clear to me how it works.
I have to remove the battery holder, but why are there "battery DIY cables" included?
Can't it run off the USB cable?
-About 7 Array.
Same, why does it need a dedicated CR1220 battery?
Can't it run off the USB cable? Or the 18650 battery?
-If I plan on using only a wired version, should I just not install the 18650 battery holder?
A big part of the appeal of this board is changing the modules, but if it requires wiring and some DIY it kinda is a bigger process than I imagined.
Post by: mechs on Tue, 15 December 2020, 09:26:27
Post by: rogersmj on Tue, 15 December 2020, 16:13:47
Post by: SpaceDesigns on Tue, 15 December 2020, 21:19:22
Post by: tommyamoszhao on Wed, 16 December 2020, 03:03:20
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 16 December 2020, 11:30:51
This is a great looking design but I'm starting to not want to give over $600 to a GB runner who won't answer questions after they've been asked multiple times over the course of quite a few days/weeks.
I understand your frustration, it sucks trying to give someone your hard earned cash, and they can't seem to be bothered to answer you, but I'll try to put myself in the GB runner's shoes...Did you try contacting through other means then this message board? I get the feeling this is just one of places he post updates at, when there is updates, (and that's when he answers any questions that have arisen since the last update)
I'd give him more of a chance to respond bro. Before this GB launched, and after the grid600 launched, I sent him some emails asking about his next project, etc, and he always got back to me, and emailed me updates about this GB. He seemed like a good dude.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 16 December 2020, 12:08:35
Placed my order!
White hotswap BLE with 1.5mm plate and silver peaks, plus a black Array module.
Many thanks to your support!
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 16 December 2020, 12:28:36
Same I have a few questions @gridishere
-About 4 Flash.
It's not very clear to me how it works.
I have to remove the battery holder, but why are there "battery DIY cables" included?
Can't it run off the USB cable?
-About 7 Array.
Same, why does it need a dedicated CR1220 battery?
Can't it run off the USB cable? Or the 18650 battery?
-If I plan on using only a wired version, should I just not install the 18650 battery holder?
A big part of the appeal of this board is changing the modules, but if it requires wiring and some DIY it kinda is a bigger process than I imagined.
For the MOD-04 FLASH,
It can run off the USB cable and that's what we prefer to offer.
The "battery DIY cables" are for people who really like a wireless, battery-powered FLASH setup. As the FLASH module takes the space for the 18650 battery holder, a flat thin tablet battery is required for that setup. The DIY cables are for connecting the tablet battery to our HUB PCB.
For the MOD-07 ARRAY,
The CR1220 battery is for its internal clock, for the time function.
That module can run off the USB cable or 18650 battery.
If you plan a wired-only version. You don't need the 18650 battery holder or DIY cables.
Hope it helps!
Have been a little busy on the manufacturing side, sorry for the late reply.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 16 December 2020, 12:29:31
This may be a little early to ask, but are there any plans for a polycarbonate version (black and/or clear) in the future?
Well, it could be. Depending on the interest.
We are curious about its look on polycarbonate.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 16 December 2020, 12:31:03
This is a great looking design but I'm starting to not want to give over $600 to a GB runner who won't answer questions after they've been asked multiple times over the course of quite a few days/weeks.
Sorry about that. Have been a little busy on the manufacturing side. Will check more.
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 16 December 2020, 13:23:45
This may be a little early to ask, but are there any plans for a polycarbonate version (black and/or clear) in the future?
Why do you want a PC version? Is it just the aesthetics? Just curious.
Post by: airyimbin on Wed, 16 December 2020, 13:33:48
Polycarb can have a different sound profile.This may be a little early to ask, but are there any plans for a polycarbonate version (black and/or clear) in the future?
Why do you want a PC version? Is it just the aesthetics? Just curious.
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Post by: CookieFlow on Wed, 16 December 2020, 13:45:00
Same I have a few questions @gridishere
-About 4 Flash.
It's not very clear to me how it works.
I have to remove the battery holder, but why are there "battery DIY cables" included?
Can't it run off the USB cable?
-About 7 Array.
Same, why does it need a dedicated CR1220 battery?
Can't it run off the USB cable? Or the 18650 battery?
-If I plan on using only a wired version, should I just not install the 18650 battery holder?
A big part of the appeal of this board is changing the modules, but if it requires wiring and some DIY it kinda is a bigger process than I imagined.
For the MOD-04 FLASH,
It can run off the USB cable and that's what we prefer to offer.
The "battery DIY cables" are for people who really like a wireless, battery-powered FLASH setup. As the FLASH module takes the space for the 18650 battery holder, a flat thin tablet battery is required for that setup. The DIY cables are for connecting the tablet battery to our HUB PCB.
For the MOD-07 ARRAY,
The CR1220 battery is for its internal clock, for the time function.
That module can run off the USB cable or 18650 battery.
If you plan a wired-only version. You don't need the 18650 battery holder or DIY cables.
Hope it helps!
Have been a little busy on the manufacturing side, sorry for the late reply.
Awesome thanks for the answer.
So if I run wired only, how do I connect these 2 modules so they run of USB power?
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 17 December 2020, 01:04:21
Same I have a few questions @gridishere
-About 4 Flash.
It's not very clear to me how it works.
I have to remove the battery holder, but why are there "battery DIY cables" included?
Can't it run off the USB cable?
-About 7 Array.
Same, why does it need a dedicated CR1220 battery?
Can't it run off the USB cable? Or the 18650 battery?
-If I plan on using only a wired version, should I just not install the 18650 battery holder?
A big part of the appeal of this board is changing the modules, but if it requires wiring and some DIY it kinda is a bigger process than I imagined.
For the MOD-04 FLASH,
It can run off the USB cable and that's what we prefer to offer.
The "battery DIY cables" are for people who really like a wireless, battery-powered FLASH setup. As the FLASH module takes the space for the 18650 battery holder, a flat thin tablet battery is required for that setup. The DIY cables are for connecting the tablet battery to our HUB PCB.
For the MOD-07 ARRAY,
The CR1220 battery is for its internal clock, for the time function.
That module can run off the USB cable or 18650 battery.
If you plan a wired-only version. You don't need the 18650 battery holder or DIY cables.
Hope it helps!
Have been a little busy on the manufacturing side, sorry for the late reply.
Awesome thanks for the answer.
So if I run wired only, how do I connect these 2 modules so they run of USB power?
There is a 6 pin cable connecting those two modules to the HUB PCB. You don't need to connect extra cables to use them.
Post by: s9ofhearts on Thu, 17 December 2020, 03:58:06
Post by: s9ofhearts on Thu, 17 December 2020, 04:00:12
Apologies, I double posted
Post by: SxM Designs on Thu, 17 December 2020, 05:24:38
Post by: mechs on Thu, 17 December 2020, 05:41:48
Thank you!
Post by: luke2fr on Thu, 17 December 2020, 09:01:09
Hey Grid team, are you able to provide me with the top images of all the cases and modules in their various colours? The reasoning being is I want to put together a website/simulator to help people decide/visualise the different combinations of case and modules (in their various colours) according to however they want. It would be great if you can provide because I have quite a few people wanting the same thing. Or if you cannot provide are you able to setup a simulator yourselves so people can visually swap and choose what combinations they like?
Thank you!
that would be great.
I am waiting january to order, but I'm struggling to choose the color of the module I want because of the lack of renders/photos
Post by: ZoomBoy on Thu, 17 December 2020, 10:41:19
Hey Grid team, are you able to provide me with the top images of all the cases and modules in their various colours? The reasoning being is I want to put together a website/simulator to help people decide/visualise the different combinations of case and modules (in their various colours) according to however they want. It would be great if you can provide because I have quite a few people wanting the same thing. Or if you cannot provide are you able to setup a simulator yourselves so people can visually swap and choose what combinations they like?
Thank you!
that would be great.
I am waiting january to order, but I'm struggling to choose the color of the module I want because of the lack of renders/photos
Agreed, I have changed my mind on colours of modules about 5 times now. Was thinking of doing a janky photoshop job to see, but would love something more official to help guide me.
Post by: BrainBunker on Thu, 17 December 2020, 14:06:44
Hey Grid team, are you able to provide me with the top images of all the cases and modules in their various colours? The reasoning being is I want to put together a website/simulator to help people decide/visualise the different combinations of case and modules (in their various colours) according to however they want. It would be great if you can provide because I have quite a few people wanting the same thing. Or if you cannot provide are you able to setup a simulator yourselves so people can visually swap and choose what combinations they like?
Thank you!
that would be great.
I am waiting january to order, but I'm struggling to choose the color of the module I want because of the lack of renders/photos
Agreed, I have changed my mind on colours of modules about 5 times now. Was thinking of doing a janky photoshop job to see, but would love something more official to help guide me.
I too started an attempt to do some basic cutting/pasting/layering from the existing images to try to check the various combos I’d consider. An interactive tool would be fantastic!
Post by: emiledu on Thu, 17 December 2020, 16:04:59
Post by: aiwa501 on Thu, 17 December 2020, 19:36:03
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 18 December 2020, 04:23:17
I also would like to be able to compare colour options across the entire range, I would like to order multiple combos but I am finding it difficult to work them all out.
Post by: rogersmj on Fri, 18 December 2020, 14:16:25
If ordering a hot swap PCB must one get the 4mm plate or will the 1.5mm work okay and vice versa for the solder PCB?
This question has been asked 4 times now I think...still waiting for a definitive answer. The descriptions in the listing imply that you can only use the 4mm plate with hotswap, but would like confirmation if that's correct.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 18 December 2020, 17:26:25
Hi, I think this question has been missed a few times, can you please confirm whether the hotswap version pcb can be used with the 1.5mm plate option? Thanks.
It totally can.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 18 December 2020, 17:32:56
Hey Grid team, are you able to provide me with the top images of all the cases and modules in their various colours? The reasoning being is I want to put together a website/simulator to help people decide/visualise the different combinations of case and modules (in their various colours) according to however they want. It would be great if you can provide because I have quite a few people wanting the same thing. Or if you cannot provide are you able to setup a simulator yourselves so people can visually swap and choose what combinations they like?
Thank you!
Wow, many thanks on that! I saw one reply on Instagram said very similar thing, is that you? Honestly we really want to do that but we are fully occupied at this moment. We will create the media for you. Thanks again!
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 18 December 2020, 18:06:11
Do you know the amount of tritium used in O2NEON?
There are three 2x12mm tritium tubes. One single tube has roughly 0.01ml tritium.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 18 December 2020, 18:19:09
I would love to know more about the Type 07 Array. What exactly can be displayed and how is the display changed or sent information to? Is there a dedicated APP for the PC? Is there a limit to what it can be used for in terms of information or will it be able to be programmed?Thanks for your interest, ARRAY can display current time, your PC hardware info, and custom texts.
I also would like to be able to compare colour options across the entire range, I would like to order multiple combos but I am finding it difficult to work them all out.
A PC software is required for hardware info readout. You can program ARRAY using Arduino. We will provide the original code.
We reckon it could be difficult to pick the best colors at. It also largely depend on the key caps of your choice.
Post by: mechs on Sat, 19 December 2020, 05:20:08
Hey Grid team, are you able to provide me with the top images of all the cases and modules in their various colours? The reasoning being is I want to put together a website/simulator to help people decide/visualise the different combinations of case and modules (in their various colours) according to however they want. It would be great if you can provide because I have quite a few people wanting the same thing. Or if you cannot provide are you able to setup a simulator yourselves so people can visually swap and choose what combinations they like?
Thank you!
Wow, many thanks on that! I saw one reply on Instagram said very similar thing, is that you? Honestly we really want to do that but we are fully occupied at this moment. We will create the media for you. Thanks again!
Yes that was me! Awesome that sounds great. I'd be happy to make it :) I will DM you on Instagram on how you can proceed with transferring the media files across to me.
I'm pretty sure the community is going to love this.
Thanks!
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Sat, 19 December 2020, 05:27:02
Would you be interested in a render collaboration with us by any chance?
Excited to generate some creative sparks with you soon. :thumb:
Post by: i luv chuletas on Sat, 19 December 2020, 16:11:54
Love the product, and will definitely be picking it up, but it feels like that was an easy miss on the design of the overall offering.
I wanted in white, but it seems like the dumb move to make since I can't properly match it with any modules for a clean all-white look.
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Sat, 19 December 2020, 19:49:43
So is there any particular reason why none of the modules are offered in e-white? Very surprising given that all modules come in navy and black as options so you can color match that, but none for the white? Not even the Classic penholder?
Love the product, and will definitely be picking it up, but it feels like that was an easy miss on the design of the overall offering.
I wanted in white, but it seems like the dumb move to make since I can't properly match it with any modules for a clean all-white look.
In the end, it's up to the designer to release colors or designs that satisfies their creative direction. I think it's completely fair that he may not release colors that satisfies everyone.
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 19 December 2020, 20:07:39
I guess silver is fairly neutral, but what I like about white is that it goes with everything.
Right now I kinda have to have a set in mind that would go with the right colored module.
Post by: airyimbin on Sat, 19 December 2020, 20:09:36
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Post by: i luv chuletas on Sat, 19 December 2020, 21:50:37
I mean sure, but then that's just common-GB-sense.So is there any particular reason why none of the modules are offered in e-white? Very surprising given that all modules come in navy and black as options so you can color match that, but none for the white? Not even the Classic penholder?
Love the product, and will definitely be picking it up, but it feels like that was an easy miss on the design of the overall offering.
I wanted in white, but it seems like the dumb move to make since I can't properly match it with any modules for a clean all-white look.
In the end, it's up to the designer to release colors or designs that satisfies their creative direction. I think it's completely fair that he may not release colors that satisfies everyone.
Everything regarding this product is C L E A R L Y put together with the utmost attention to detail; to that effect, obviating one of the base color options altogether as an option for the modules is just... odd, and unfortunate.
Maybe it was cost prohibitive, and they would've had to upcharge customers for the e-white options on the modules given it's the only color that requires a different process than anno?
If that's the case, please charge us and give us the option!
And If it's not, I'd love learn where that decision came from :)
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Sun, 20 December 2020, 17:27:32
Fair enough! Making your thoughts and opinions heard is definitely the point of an IC, that's for sure.I mean sure, but then that's just common-GB-sense.So is there any particular reason why none of the modules are offered in e-white? Very surprising given that all modules come in navy and black as options so you can color match that, but none for the white? Not even the Classic penholder?
Love the product, and will definitely be picking it up, but it feels like that was an easy miss on the design of the overall offering.
I wanted in white, but it seems like the dumb move to make since I can't properly match it with any modules for a clean all-white look.
In the end, it's up to the designer to release colors or designs that satisfies their creative direction. I think it's completely fair that he may not release colors that satisfies everyone.
Everything regarding this product is C L E A R L Y put together with the utmost attention to detail; to that effect, obviating one of the base color options altogether as an option for the modules is just... odd, and unfortunate.
Maybe it was cost prohibitive, and they would've had to upcharge customers for the e-white options on the modules given it's the only color that requires a different process than anno?
If that's the case, please charge us and give us the option!
And If it's not, I'd love learn where that decision came from :)
Post by: RogueArchitect on Mon, 21 December 2020, 15:01:43
Absolutely in love with the modular design on the forehead. Stunning geometry you've added there. GLWIC. This is gonna be a big one.What is a render collaboration?
Would you be interested in a render collaboration with us by any chance?
Excited to generate some creative sparks with you soon. :thumb:
Post by: gridishere on Mon, 21 December 2020, 22:09:45
So is there any particular reason why none of the modules are offered in e-white? Very surprising given that all modules come in navy and black as options so you can color match that, but none for the white? Not even the Classic penholder?
Love the product, and will definitely be picking it up, but it feels like that was an easy miss on the design of the overall offering.
I wanted in white, but it seems like the dumb move to make since I can't properly match it with any modules for a clean all-white look.
E-white is a finish kind of like coating, which adds a small amount of thickness to the chassis or parts.
We are concerned if both the module or the keyboard is e-white, the fit between them could be too tight.
Sorry that we can't provide this option and we hope you can understand.
Post by: Rfinity on Tue, 22 December 2020, 22:32:06
- Is Module 5 PRESS hotswap?
- Is the 18650 battery holder affixed to the case? Specifically, when you say that "the FLASH module takes the space for the 18650 battery holder", does this mean that before module 4 is put in (without the DIY battery setup), the entire holder must be removed, or just the 18650 battery itself must be removed from the holder?
- Does the DIY battery setup replace the 18650 battery entirely, or does the 18650 battery and/or its holder need to be reinstalled when the FLASH module is swapped out for a different module?
- Are the buttons on Module 4 able to turn off the LED strip entirely, such that it could remain installed while using BLE without the DIY battery setup?
Essentially, I'd like to know if I can purchase the wired + BLE configuration and then easily swap between Module 4 FLASH in just wired mode and any other module in either mode. Would greatly appreciate answers to the above ASAP. The keyboard looks great and I hope to purchase it. Thanks in advance!
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 23 December 2020, 03:33:47
Hoping you could answer more specific clarifying questions which don't seem to have been answered yet:
- Is Module 5 PRESS hotswap?
- Is the 18650 battery holder affixed to the case? Specifically, when you say that "the FLASH module takes the space for the 18650 battery holder", does this mean that before module 4 is put in (without the DIY battery setup), the entire holder must be removed, or just the 18650 battery itself must be removed from the holder?
- Does the DIY battery setup replace the 18650 battery entirely, or does the 18650 battery and/or its holder need to be reinstalled when the FLASH module is swapped out for a different module?
- Are the buttons on Module 4 able to turn off the LED strip entirely, such that it could remain installed while using BLE without the DIY battery setup?
Essentially, I'd like to know if I can purchase the wired + BLE configuration and then easily swap between Module 4 FLASH in just wired mode and any other module in either mode. Would greatly appreciate answers to the above ASAP. The keyboard looks great and I hope to purchase it. Thanks in advance!
Thanks for your interest,
1. Module 5 PRESS is indeed hotswap
2. The battery holder is secured to the chassis by 2 screws. The battery holder needs to be removed before installing module 4 FLASH.
3. The DIY batter setup should replace the 18650 battery holder entirely. Still, it is recommended to use FLASH in the wired mode.
4. YES, but it will still consume some energy.
Hope it helps!
Post by: s9ofhearts on Wed, 23 December 2020, 23:53:26
Hoping you could answer more specific clarifying questions which don't seem to have been answered yet:
- Is Module 5 PRESS hotswap?
- Is the 18650 battery holder affixed to the case? Specifically, when you say that "the FLASH module takes the space for the 18650 battery holder", does this mean that before module 4 is put in (without the DIY battery setup), the entire holder must be removed, or just the 18650 battery itself must be removed from the holder?
- Does the DIY battery setup replace the 18650 battery entirely, or does the 18650 battery and/or its holder need to be reinstalled when the FLASH module is swapped out for a different module?
- Are the buttons on Module 4 able to turn off the LED strip entirely, such that it could remain installed while using BLE without the DIY battery setup?
Essentially, I'd like to know if I can purchase the wired + BLE configuration and then easily swap between Module 4 FLASH in just wired mode and any other module in either mode. Would greatly appreciate answers to the above ASAP. The keyboard looks great and I hope to purchase it. Thanks in advance!
Thanks for your interest,
1. Module 5 PRESS is indeed hotswap
2. The battery holder is secured to the chassis by 2 screws. The battery holder needs to be removed before installing module 4 FLASH.
3. The DIY batter setup should replace the 18650 battery holder entirely. Still, it is recommended to use FLASH in the wired mode.
4. YES, but it will still consume some energy.
Hope it helps!
Hi, thanks for providing us with more insight into the flash module.
In relation to question 4, can you please clarify this - so even though the lighting is off, the battery will still be drained? Will this affect standby time by a lot?
I've got a few more question to add below if you don't mind responding:
A) with the bluetooth PCB option, how many devices can the pcb remember? And if more than one, can you please briefly describe the process to change the device the keyboard is connected to?
B) on the zfrontier page, it states that using the BATTERY PROTECTION BYPASS will void your warranty. Can you please explain what this means? Is this required to install the DIY battery to use the flash module wirelessly?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 24 December 2020, 03:40:54
Hoping you could answer more specific clarifying questions which don't seem to have been answered yet:
- Is Module 5 PRESS hotswap?
- Is the 18650 battery holder affixed to the case? Specifically, when you say that "the FLASH module takes the space for the 18650 battery holder", does this mean that before module 4 is put in (without the DIY battery setup), the entire holder must be removed, or just the 18650 battery itself must be removed from the holder?
- Does the DIY battery setup replace the 18650 battery entirely, or does the 18650 battery and/or its holder need to be reinstalled when the FLASH module is swapped out for a different module?
- Are the buttons on Module 4 able to turn off the LED strip entirely, such that it could remain installed while using BLE without the DIY battery setup?
Essentially, I'd like to know if I can purchase the wired + BLE configuration and then easily swap between Module 4 FLASH in just wired mode and any other module in either mode. Would greatly appreciate answers to the above ASAP. The keyboard looks great and I hope to purchase it. Thanks in advance!
Thanks for your interest,
1. Module 5 PRESS is indeed hotswap
2. The battery holder is secured to the chassis by 2 screws. The battery holder needs to be removed before installing module 4 FLASH.
3. The DIY batter setup should replace the 18650 battery holder entirely. Still, it is recommended to use FLASH in the wired mode.
4. YES, but it will still consume some energy.
Hope it helps!
Hi, thanks for providing us with more insight into the flash module.
In relation to question 4, can you please clarify this - so even though the lighting is off, the battery will still be drained? Will this affect standby time by a lot?
I've got a few more question to add below if you don't mind responding:
A) with the bluetooth PCB option, how many devices can the pcb remember? And if more than one, can you please briefly describe the process to change the device the keyboard is connected to?
B) on the zfrontier page, it states that using the BATTERY PROTECTION BYPASS will void your warranty. Can you please explain what this means? Is this required to install the DIY battery to use the flash module wirelessly?
Thanks in advance.
This is because the MCU won't go into sleep mode when it is off, and the IC inside those addressable RGB LEDs can't be turned off. We can potentially make the MCU sleep when the lights are off. We assume this setup will take half the battery life.
A. It can remember many devices and will try to connect to the last connected device. For example, if you have paired grid 650 BLE with both your phone and computer. The keyboard is now connected to your phone. Disconnect it from your phone, and the keyboard will connect to your computer.
B. Using BATTERY PROTECTION BYPASS means you are connecting the battery directly to the voltage step-up circuit inside the HUB. Most lithium batteries should work just fine. However, we can't guarantee the quality of the third-party battery, and there is a meager chance it may fry the step-up circuit. For example, if one connects a 7.4V battery into our system, the voltage step-up chip will be damaged.
Hope it helps!
Post by: s9ofhearts on Thu, 24 December 2020, 07:11:51
This is because the MCU won't go into sleep mode when it is off, and the IC inside those addressable RGB LEDs can't be turned off. We can potentially make the MCU sleep when the lights are off. We assume this setup will take half the battery life.
Thanks for the info. Does that mean that if you are able to implement the sleep mode for the MCU when the lights are off, it would solve the battery drain issue? Or is the IC unable to be turned off either way?
If you are able to solve this battery drain issue when the lights are off, I would get this module for sure!
B. Using BATTERY PROTECTION BYPASS means you are connecting the battery directly to the voltage step-up circuit inside the HUB. Most lithium batteries should work just fine. However, we can't guarantee the quality of the third-party battery, and there is a meager chance it may fry the step-up circuit. For example, if one connects a 7.4V battery into our system, the voltage step-up chip will be damaged.
If a battery does fry the hub, would replacing the usb hub pcb fix the keyboard, or would the main pcb have to be replaced as well?
Thanks again!
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 24 December 2020, 08:56:45
This is because the MCU won't go into sleep mode when it is off, and the IC inside those addressable RGB LEDs can't be turned off. We can potentially make the MCU sleep when the lights are off. We assume this setup will take half the battery life.
Thanks for the info. Does that mean that if you are able to implement the sleep mode for the MCU when the lights are off, it would solve the battery drain issue? Or is the IC unable to be turned off either way?
If you are able to solve this battery drain issue when the lights are off, I would get this module for sure!B. Using BATTERY PROTECTION BYPASS means you are connecting the battery directly to the voltage step-up circuit inside the HUB. Most lithium batteries should work just fine. However, we can't guarantee the quality of the third-party battery, and there is a meager chance it may fry the step-up circuit. For example, if one connects a 7.4V battery into our system, the voltage step-up chip will be damaged.
If a battery does fry the hub, would replacing the usb hub pcb fix the keyboard, or would the main pcb have to be replaced as well?
Thanks again!
Should be just the HUB board. Main PCB only take 3.3V generate on the HUB.
Post by: s9ofhearts on Thu, 24 December 2020, 09:21:54
This is because the MCU won't go into sleep mode when it is off, and the IC inside those addressable RGB LEDs can't be turned off. We can potentially make the MCU sleep when the lights are off. We assume this setup will take half the battery life.
Thanks for the info. Does that mean that if you are able to implement the sleep mode for the MCU when the lights are off, it would solve the battery drain issue? Or is the IC unable to be turned off either way?
If you are able to solve this battery drain issue when the lights are off, I would get this module for sure!B. Using BATTERY PROTECTION BYPASS means you are connecting the battery directly to the voltage step-up circuit inside the HUB. Most lithium batteries should work just fine. However, we can't guarantee the quality of the third-party battery, and there is a meager chance it may fry the step-up circuit. For example, if one connects a 7.4V battery into our system, the voltage step-up chip will be damaged.
If a battery does fry the hub, would replacing the usb hub pcb fix the keyboard, or would the main pcb have to be replaced as well?
Thanks again!
Should be just the HUB board. Main PCB only take 3.3V generate on the HUB.
Thanks for that. Can you please also comment on the other question regarding the battery drain too? Cheers.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 25 December 2020, 08:39:51
This is because the MCU won't go into sleep mode when it is off, and the IC inside those addressable RGB LEDs can't be turned off. We can potentially make the MCU sleep when the lights are off. We assume this setup will take half the battery life.
Thanks for the info. Does that mean that if you are able to implement the sleep mode for the MCU when the lights are off, it would solve the battery drain issue? Or is the IC unable to be turned off either way?
If you are able to solve this battery drain issue when the lights are off, I would get this module for sure!B. Using BATTERY PROTECTION BYPASS means you are connecting the battery directly to the voltage step-up circuit inside the HUB. Most lithium batteries should work just fine. However, we can't guarantee the quality of the third-party battery, and there is a meager chance it may fry the step-up circuit. For example, if one connects a 7.4V battery into our system, the voltage step-up chip will be damaged.
If a battery does fry the hub, would replacing the usb hub pcb fix the keyboard, or would the main pcb have to be replaced as well?
Thanks again!
Should be just the HUB board. Main PCB only take 3.3V generate on the HUB.
Thanks for that. Can you please also comment on the other question regarding the battery drain too? Cheers.
We will test that in the weekend. Will let you know.
Post by: Rfinity on Wed, 30 December 2020, 15:12:24
This is because the MCU won't go into sleep mode when it is off, and the IC inside those addressable RGB LEDs can't be turned off. We can potentially make the MCU sleep when the lights are off. We assume this setup will take half the battery life.
Thanks for the info. Does that mean that if you are able to implement the sleep mode for the MCU when the lights are off, it would solve the battery drain issue? Or is the IC unable to be turned off either way?
If you are able to solve this battery drain issue when the lights are off, I would get this module for sure!B. Using BATTERY PROTECTION BYPASS means you are connecting the battery directly to the voltage step-up circuit inside the HUB. Most lithium batteries should work just fine. However, we can't guarantee the quality of the third-party battery, and there is a meager chance it may fry the step-up circuit. For example, if one connects a 7.4V battery into our system, the voltage step-up chip will be damaged.
If a battery does fry the hub, would replacing the usb hub pcb fix the keyboard, or would the main pcb have to be replaced as well?
Thanks again!
Should be just the HUB board. Main PCB only take 3.3V generate on the HUB.
Thanks for that. Can you please also comment on the other question regarding the battery drain too? Cheers.
We will test that in the weekend. Will let you know.
Got an update?
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 31 December 2020, 01:45:42
This is because the MCU won't go into sleep mode when it is off, and the IC inside those addressable RGB LEDs can't be turned off. We can potentially make the MCU sleep when the lights are off. We assume this setup will take half the battery life.
Thanks for the info. Does that mean that if you are able to implement the sleep mode for the MCU when the lights are off, it would solve the battery drain issue? Or is the IC unable to be turned off either way?
If you are able to solve this battery drain issue when the lights are off, I would get this module for sure!B. Using BATTERY PROTECTION BYPASS means you are connecting the battery directly to the voltage step-up circuit inside the HUB. Most lithium batteries should work just fine. However, we can't guarantee the quality of the third-party battery, and there is a meager chance it may fry the step-up circuit. For example, if one connects a 7.4V battery into our system, the voltage step-up chip will be damaged.
If a battery does fry the hub, would replacing the usb hub pcb fix the keyboard, or would the main pcb have to be replaced as well?
Thanks again!
Should be just the HUB board. Main PCB only take 3.3V generate on the HUB.
Thanks for that. Can you please also comment on the other question regarding the battery drain too? Cheers.
We will test that in the weekend. Will let you know.
Got an update?
Yes. Sorry for coming late.
We did some thorough tests (power, stability, and thermal ) and figured out that FLASH's power consumption was pretty high even when all lights were off. It was designed for wired use.
The actual number was 70mA@5V, 6 times more than our BLE PCB.
It was pretty bad and we were not happy with it.
We started to solve that problem immediately.
A PCB was created and software was improved.
The new version consumes about 3mA @5V when all lights are off.
Still, it affects battery life a little. We hope it is good enough for most people.
Thanks very much for asking us this question.
Best,
grid
Post by: CookieFlow on Fri, 01 January 2021, 16:20:23
So I will place my order in the coming days, but I still have a few questions.
-You said on the 3rd of December that a video explaining the 1.5 vs 4mm plate was coming. Any update on this?
-I need the hotswap version, but that also means I can only get the WK version. The grid 600 came with blockers I believe, will the 650 also come with blockers? If not, any chance I could find the grid 600 blockers somewhere?
-Is the rose color for the 650, the same as the grid 600 rose gold color?
-Is the module 10 Circle 100% coming? (so that I can plan which modules I need to buy)
-I will try to get an extra plate, PCB and USB-HUB PCB, but getting those extras gets pretty expensive and my cart is already at over 800$ with the different modules (which means over 1000$ after import taxes sadly).
Will it be possible to get USBHUB/PCB/plates later on? If not, the grid 600 I believe supported other PCB like some KBD ones, will it be the same with the 650? It's just in case something goes wrong in the future, it would be a nice peace of mind to know I can still find parts.
This is the most I ever spent on a keyboard, so I want to make sure I get everything right.
Thanks for your time.
Post by: gridishere on Sat, 02 January 2021, 09:54:59
Hi Grid,
So I will place my order in the coming days, but I still have a few questions.
-You said on the 3rd of December that a video explaining the 1.5 vs 4mm plate was coming. Any update on this?
-I need the hotswap version, but that also means I can only get the WK version. The grid 600 came with blockers I believe, will the 650 also come with blockers? If not, any chance I could find the grid 600 blockers somewhere?
-Is the rose color for the 650, the same as the grid 600 rose gold color?
-Is the module 10 Circle 100% coming? (so that I can plan which modules I need to buy)
-I will try to get an extra plate, PCB and USB-HUB PCB, but getting those extras gets pretty expensive and my cart is already at over 800$ with the different modules (which means over 1000$ after import taxes sadly).
Will it be possible to get USBHUB/PCB/plates later on? If not, the grid 600 I believe supported other PCB like some KBD ones, will it be the same with the 650? It's just in case something goes wrong in the future, it would be a nice peace of mind to know I can still find parts.
This is the most I ever spent on a keyboard, so I want to make sure I get everything right.
Thanks for your time.
Thanks for your interest.
-We have uploaded a sound test video comparing 1.5 and 4mm plates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygA5pyuFf4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DygA5pyuFf4)
-Unfortunately, we don't have win key blocks for grid 650 right now. 600's block is not compatible with 650's. We will consider designing one.
-It will be 100% coming.
-grid 650 features our in-house designed BLE PCB so I assume it wouldn't be available elsewhere. We will share the PCB design guideline with those who are capable of designing PCBs. We provide long support for our product for a least 5 years and hopefully more. So don't worry about the spare parts. The listing is mainly for price reference.
Let me know if you have other questions.
Best,
grid
Post by: shensmobile on Sat, 02 January 2021, 10:27:21
I picked up two of these boards for myself for this project, so you know I'm taking it seriously!
Edit: BTW if I pick up the wire only PCB, will I still get the HUB PCB with the battery holder? My second grid is a barebones unit, since a Boardwalk will be going into it. I want to make sure I could still make a wireless Boardwalk PCB work in it.
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 02 January 2021, 16:29:47
-Just to clarify where will I be able to get PCB/plates in the future since you mention 5 years of support?
-You missed my question about the "rose" color, is it the same as the "rose gold" from Grid 600 or a different shade?
-The video seems to work perfectly fine with the 1.5mm plate, why was it not recommended for hotswaps? I am still not really sure which one I prefer, to me the 4mm sounds more muted, while the 1.5 I feel you hear the switches more.
Blockers would be incredible, it really is my only gripe with the board, I really like a blocker before my arrows keys.
Post by: RogueArchitect on Sun, 03 January 2021, 02:41:11
Post by: gridishere on Mon, 04 January 2021, 08:21:17
@gridishere: I mentioned before about doing a Boardwalk PCB for this. Is there any chance the original PCB would be open-sourced so that I can use the measurements for making a custom PCB to fit this case? Double kudos if you're able to share your bluetooth implementation so I can match your feature set :)We will share a PCB design guideline at the end of our GB, including Pin definition and a CAD file for layouts. QMK codes will be available as well. It might take some time to update.
I picked up two of these boards for myself for this project, so you know I'm taking it seriously!
Edit: BTW if I pick up the wire only PCB, will I still get the HUB PCB with the battery holder? My second grid is a barebones unit, since a Boardwalk will be going into it. I want to make sure I could still make a wireless Boardwalk PCB work in it.
Thanks very much for your support!
Post by: gridishere on Mon, 04 January 2021, 08:26:24
Awesome news and thanks for the information.
-Just to clarify where will I be able to get PCB/plates in the future since you mention 5 years of support?
-You missed my question about the "rose" color, is it the same as the "rose gold" from Grid 600 or a different shade?
-The video seems to work perfectly fine with the 1.5mm plate, why was it not recommended for hotswaps? I am still not really sure which one I prefer, to me the 4mm sounds more muted, while the 1.5 I feel you hear the switches more.
Blockers would be incredible, it really is my only gripe with the board, I really like a blocker before my arrows keys.
We can't guarantee the supply on plates (will do our best). But electronics, absolutely.
The rose color will be very close.
The reason is mostly that the 1.5mm univseral plate doesn't hold the switches as nicely as the 4mm ANSI ones. Also, the 1.5mm plate doesn't support the Enter key as steady as the 4mm plate.
Best,
grid
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 05 January 2021, 10:25:18
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 06 January 2021, 04:16:44
Post by: geewiz on Wed, 06 January 2021, 05:56:39
OK I give up. I have filed and emptied my basket a dozen times now and I simply can not choose between black or white case colour. Once you choose that it changes all my module choices. How are you guys making decisions on buying this? I need help. Black or white base to start with?
I came to the conclusion that a white case with black modules would come out looking a refined Rams-y retro style, and still being a neutral canvas to any kind of keycap.
Post by: rogersmj on Wed, 06 January 2021, 07:28:57
OK I give up. I have filed and emptied my basket a dozen times now and I simply can not choose between black or white case colour. Once you choose that it changes all my module choices. How are you guys making decisions on buying this? I need help. Black or white base to start with?
I came to the conclusion that a white case with black modules would come out looking a refined Rams-y retro style, and still being a neutral canvas to any kind of keycap.
That's pretty much where I landed too. I'm doing White chassis with black PRESS, and teal Peaks in case I want a splash of color for awhile. Also the white chassis will probably look good alongside my white Apple Magic Trackpad.
Post by: NarniaEve on Wed, 06 January 2021, 11:10:15
Post by: geewiz on Wed, 06 January 2021, 11:31:30
as i can't get any replies from the vendor, asking here: can't order the board cause in checkout i get message that it's not possible to ship to destination country. i live in EU- how can i order?
That's probably because some shipping routes are temporarily affected by COVID restrictions. Maybe you can use a relative or friend living in an unaffected country as your "personal proxy"?
Post by: kraize on Wed, 06 January 2021, 13:09:47
Post by: nickorrnah on Wed, 06 January 2021, 13:59:02
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 06 January 2021, 17:57:44
OK I give up. I have filed and emptied my basket a dozen times now and I simply can not choose between black or white case colour. Once you choose that it changes all my module choices. How are you guys making decisions on buying this? I need help. Black or white base to start with?
I'm just going to paint my purple.
Post by: CookieFlow on Thu, 07 January 2021, 08:25:29
Really want to hop on this board but the import duties will be horrendous.
Post by: rogersmj on Fri, 08 January 2021, 08:43:16
Post by: nickorrnah on Fri, 08 January 2021, 15:29:15
Post by: whezil on Fri, 08 January 2021, 16:23:53
Post by: CookieFlow on Fri, 08 January 2021, 17:03:58
-Any update on a potential blocker?
If not, does the WKL solder version support Mill-Max?
I would much prefer to go with hotswap, but I would really like to know if a blocker will be available.
-The Array module can be used on a Mac to display time and custom messages right? It's just hardware info that is not available?
Is everything configured just via the 2 buttons or installing a software is required? When I google "Catalina Bootloader" I just get some hackintosh related stuff.
Thanks
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 08 January 2021, 23:05:16
If I wanted to paint my case should I get the white for better color stick or would black be fine to paint over later as well?You should be putting on a white primer (you can use a different color primer if you want, like black or gray, but it will alter the color of the top coat significantly) before you paint whatever color you want to put on as the top coat. So it should not matter which color you decide to get. You might also want to sand the keyboard before priming in order to improve adhesion, but we are talking about a keyboard here... it's not like it's going to see the abuse a car or gun would see, so i don't think it really matters.
You can cerakote it yourself fairly easily, except for having to sandblast it down to the bare metal, and that's not actually difficult or anything, it just requires the purchase of a decent air compressor, which is a couple hundo.
The single best tip i can give you: Get some plastic spoons, and practice whatever paint job you want on some of them. That way, you can test multiple colors, in multiple shades, and multiple top coats (flat, semi, gloss) to figure out the PERFECT color/paint job for you.
Post by: nickorrnah on Fri, 08 January 2021, 23:21:09
If I wanted to paint my case should I get the white for better color stick or would black be fine to paint over later as well?You should be putting on a white primer (you can use a different color primer if you want, like black or gray, but it will alter the color of the top coat significantly) before you paint whatever color you want to put on as the top coat. So it should not matter which color you decide to get. You might also want to sand the keyboard before priming in order to improve adhesion, but we are talking about a keyboard here... it's not like it's going to see the abuse a car or gun would see, so i don't think it really matters.
You can cerakote it yourself fairly easily, except for having to sandblast it down to the bare metal, and that's not actually difficult or anything, it just requires the purchase of a decent air compressor, which is a couple hundo.
The single best tip i can give you: Get some plastic spoons, and practice whatever paint job you want on some of them. That way, you can test multiple colors, in multiple shades, and multiple top coats (flat, semi, gloss) to figure out the PERFECT color/paint job for you.
If I wanted to paint my case should I get the white for better color stick or would black be fine to paint over later as well?You should be putting on a white primer (you can use a different color primer if you want, like black or gray, but it will alter the color of the top coat significantly) before you paint whatever color you want to put on as the top coat. So it should not matter which color you decide to get. You might also want to sand the keyboard before priming in order to improve adhesion, but we are talking about a keyboard here... it's not like it's going to see the abuse a car or gun would see, so i don't think it really matters.
You can cerakote it yourself fairly easily, except for having to sandblast it down to the bare metal, and that's not actually difficult or anything, it just requires the purchase of a decent air compressor, which is a couple hundo.
The single best tip i can give you: Get some plastic spoons, and practice whatever paint job you want on some of them. That way, you can test multiple colors, in multiple shades, and multiple top coats (flat, semi, gloss) to figure out the PERFECT color/paint job for you.
Thank you for the tip, I'll make sure to try that!
Post by: gridishere on Sat, 09 January 2021, 10:17:14
as i can't get any replies from the vendor, asking here: can't order the board cause in checkout i get message that it's not possible to ship to destination country. i live in EU- how can i order?
Will check with zFrontier.
Post by: gridishere on Sat, 09 January 2021, 10:18:46
Are there any plans on having brass plates sold separately in the future?
We don't have any plan on a brass plate.
We will release a 3D file of our plate for those who want to try different materials.
Thanks
Post by: gridishere on Sat, 09 January 2021, 10:20:50
Awww Yeah! Just put my order in. I usually prefer the look of wkl, but it's doesn't work for me on this one. I also went with the Flash module, and I'm thinking about getting the array too.. Ideally, i'd like to try and "mod" the mods, and combine both into one..
Thanks for your support!
We are thinking of a module combine Circle and ARRARY. Don't know if you will be interested.
Post by: gridishere on Sat, 09 January 2021, 10:22:50
Quick question, can I do the plate option with the keyboard and still go plate-less? Or do I need to buy it plate-less and then add on a plate if I wanted to later use a plate? Wasn't clear on the GB page.
You can order the plate and still go plate-less. It is flexible.
Thanks
Post by: gridishere on Sat, 09 January 2021, 10:23:26
Zfrontier is really not friendly for EU.
Really want to hop on this board but the import duties will be horrendous.
Sorry for that. Do you have suggestions on vendors for EU?
Post by: gridishere on Sat, 09 January 2021, 10:34:26
Hi Grid,
-Any update on a potential blocker?
If not, does the WKL solder version support Mill-Max?
I would much prefer to go with hotswap, but I would really like to know if a blocker will be available.
-The Array module can be used on a Mac to display time and custom messages right? It's just hardware info that is not available?
Is everything configured just via the 2 buttons or installing a software is required? When I google "Catalina Bootloader" I just get some hackintosh related stuff.
Thanks
Hi there,
Sorry, we have been working hard on finalizing some design details.
We are not going to make blockers this time. However, we can design one and share the 3D file if you can manage to get it made.
Mill-Max should work fine. The pin holes for the switches is 1.4mm in diameter.
For ARRAY, yes. We are still looking into support hardware info for MAC but can't guarantee that.
ARRAY can be recognized on a computer as an Arduino Leonardo. It is fairly easy to program it.
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 09 January 2021, 12:59:48
You are god damn right I'm interested! I'd prefer a circle and flash combo, but I'll will definitely take that one.Awww Yeah! Just put my order in. I usually prefer the look of wkl, but it's doesn't work for me on this one. I also went with the Flash module, and I'm thinking about getting the array too.. Ideally, i'd like to try and "mod" the mods, and combine both into one..
Thanks for your support!
We are thinking of a module combine Circle and ARRARY. Don't know if you will be interested.
You guys should consider a multiple module keyboard next time. You could just keep the same design as this one (grid 650) but turn each of the side bezels into a module.
CIRCLE on the left, ARRAY on the right, and FLASH up top!
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 09 January 2021, 14:37:05
Awww Yeah! Just put my order in. I usually prefer the look of wkl, but it's doesn't work for me on this one. I also went with the Flash module, and I'm thinking about getting the array too.. Ideally, i'd like to try and "mod" the mods, and combine both into one..
Thanks for your support!
We are thinking of a module combine Circle and ARRARY. Don't know if you will be interested.
Would it be possible to confirm if this new module that combines Circle and Array will happen before the GB ends?
That would be the perfect module for me, but I would feel bad if I purchase Array now and in a few months this new module with Array + Circle is revealed.
And thanks for the other information, I will look into where I could find somebody that could make a blocker then.
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 09 January 2021, 14:46:54
I can't imagine it will be released with this GB. I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread, that CIRCLE will be happening at a latter date. Possibly this "combo" module will be released at the same, or, and i thinks it's likely, even latter.Awww Yeah! Just put my order in. I usually prefer the look of wkl, but it's doesn't work for me on this one. I also went with the Flash module, and I'm thinking about getting the array too.. Ideally, i'd like to try and "mod" the mods, and combine both into one..
Thanks for your support!
We are thinking of a module combine Circle and ARRARY. Don't know if you will be interested.
Would it be possible to confirm if this new module that combines Circle and Array will happen before the GB ends?
That would be the perfect module for me, but I would feel bad if I purchase Array now and 1 month later this new module with Array + Circle comes out.
And thanks for the other information, I will look into where I could find somebody that could make a blocker then.
(I have no inside knowledge what so ever, so this is just pure speculation on my end.)
EDIT: Yeah, on page 4 of this thread, the GB runners states that the CIRCLE mod will most likely be happening in March.
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 09 January 2021, 15:14:03
I can't imagine it will be released with this GB. I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread, that CIRCLE will be happening at a latter date. Possibly this "combo" module will be released at the same, or, and i thinks it's likely, even latter.Awww Yeah! Just put my order in. I usually prefer the look of wkl, but it's doesn't work for me on this one. I also went with the Flash module, and I'm thinking about getting the array too.. Ideally, i'd like to try and "mod" the mods, and combine both into one..
Thanks for your support!
We are thinking of a module combine Circle and ARRARY. Don't know if you will be interested.
Would it be possible to confirm if this new module that combines Circle and Array will happen before the GB ends?
That would be the perfect module for me, but I would feel bad if I purchase Array now and 1 month later this new module with Array + Circle comes out.
And thanks for the other information, I will look into where I could find somebody that could make a blocker then.
(I have no inside knowledge what so ever, so this is just pure speculation on my end.)
EDIT: Yeah, on page 4 of this thread, the GB runners states that the CIRCLE mod will most likely be happening in March.
Yes Circle is supposed to be revealed soon which I was planning on purchasing, same as Array.
But I'd much rather purchase 1 module that combines both, so it would be awesome to know if that would be coming for sure in the future.
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 09 January 2021, 20:06:05
"Soon" Like the date has been moved up from March? or do you mean March is soon?I can't imagine it will be released with this GB. I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread, that CIRCLE will be happening at a latter date. Possibly this "combo" module will be released at the same, or, and i thinks it's likely, even latter.Awww Yeah! Just put my order in. I usually prefer the look of wkl, but it's doesn't work for me on this one. I also went with the Flash module, and I'm thinking about getting the array too.. Ideally, i'd like to try and "mod" the mods, and combine both into one..
Thanks for your support!
We are thinking of a module combine Circle and ARRARY. Don't know if you will be interested.
Would it be possible to confirm if this new module that combines Circle and Array will happen before the GB ends?
That would be the perfect module for me, but I would feel bad if I purchase Array now and 1 month later this new module with Array + Circle comes out.
And thanks for the other information, I will look into where I could find somebody that could make a blocker then.
(I have no inside knowledge what so ever, so this is just pure speculation on my end.)
EDIT: Yeah, on page 4 of this thread, the GB runners states that the CIRCLE mod will most likely be happening in March.
Yes Circle is supposed to be revealed soon which I was planning on purchasing, same as Array.
But I'd much rather purchase 1 module that combines both, so it would be awesome to know if that would be coming for sure in the future.
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 09 January 2021, 20:24:40
And even if the release date of new modules is several months after, it would be really nice to know.
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 09 January 2021, 21:08:51
Post by: i luv chuletas on Sun, 10 January 2021, 21:33:02
So is there any particular reason why none of the modules are offered in e-white? Very surprising given that all modules come in navy and black as options so you can color match that, but none for the white? Not even the Classic penholder?
Love the product, and will definitely be picking it up, but it feels like that was an easy miss on the design of the overall offering.
I wanted in white, but it seems like the dumb move to make since I can't properly match it with any modules for a clean all-white look.
E-white is a finish kind of like coating, which adds a small amount of thickness to the chassis or parts.
We are concerned if both the module or the keyboard is e-white, the fit between them could be too tight.
Sorry that we can't provide this option and we hope you can understand.
Hey!
Do you see yourself prototyping that, even if for just the classic/classic-s in that colorway as a limited option, or something in that vein?
I haven't made my purchase yet, but plan to. Just still wanna figure out if a module is a possibility in some way shape or form, or if at least an interest check for that is even possible as well, before making my final decision.
It's the one thing this board is missing!
Thanks mate
Post by: bigoldbox on Mon, 11 January 2021, 05:27:47
Post by: geewiz on Mon, 11 January 2021, 05:54:51
Anyone got a weird thing going on where no matter which module is picked the price remains the same? Also, I thought zfrontier did free shipping.
Yes, while the price for the module you choose with the board is mentioned, it's only getting applied on the checkout summary.
Post by: CookieFlow on Mon, 11 January 2021, 22:30:39
I would like to place my order soon, since the GB ending date is very close, I hope you will have the time to answer about the potential Circle+Array module that you presented.
Personally it would be my perfect module and I would order at least 2 colors, and I don't mind waiting if it releases several months after the rest. But I would really hate to order regular Array now, if this combo module is available later :(
Do you think you will be able to confirm if this module will be made before the end of the GB period or that isn't possible?
(Well it's probably too late to do anything about EU vendors now, but basically the board will cost about 30% more for most EU residents due to high import taxes :( )
Post by: gridishere on Tue, 12 January 2021, 03:05:54
Hi Grid,
I would like to place my order soon, since the GB ending date is very close, I hope you will have the time to answer about the potential Circle+Array module that you presented.
Personally it would be my perfect module and I would order at least 2 colors, and I don't mind waiting if it releases several months after the rest. But I would really hate to order regular Array now, if this combo module is available later :(
Do you think you will be able to confirm if this module will be made before the end of the GB period or that isn't possible?
(Well it's probably too late to do anything about EU vendors now, but basically the board will cost about 30% more for most EU residents due to high import taxes :( )
Sorry for the high import taxes.
The chance for us to release an ARRAY+CIRCLE combined module is 75%. We will also consider reusing the PCB in ARRAY if possible.
Thanks for considering our product.
Post by: s9ofhearts on Tue, 12 January 2021, 06:20:50
Thanks for posting that new video - really looking forward to seeing more videos. However, just one thing kind of bothers me - is there any chance of disabling the breathing light effect for the front indicator light while the keyboard is in use, as it seems it would be distracting during use.
Thanks again
Post by: CookieFlow on Tue, 12 January 2021, 11:27:21
Hi Grid,
I would like to place my order soon, since the GB ending date is very close, I hope you will have the time to answer about the potential Circle+Array module that you presented.
Personally it would be my perfect module and I would order at least 2 colors, and I don't mind waiting if it releases several months after the rest. But I would really hate to order regular Array now, if this combo module is available later :(
Do you think you will be able to confirm if this module will be made before the end of the GB period or that isn't possible?
(Well it's probably too late to do anything about EU vendors now, but basically the board will cost about 30% more for most EU residents due to high import taxes :( )
Sorry for the high import taxes.
The chance for us to release an ARRAY+CIRCLE combined module is 75%. We will also consider reusing the PCB in ARRAY if possible.
Thanks for considering our product.
Thanks Grid,
75% is very high, but not 100% either :(
I will need to think if I want to take the risk of skipping Array now, and take the chance Circle+Array combined doesn't get made :(
Ahhhhh I don't know what to do.
Thanks for the new sound test also.
It's very strange, I could hear a big difference in 4mm vs 1.5mm on the Tealios, but with Black Inks I can't tell the difference.
Will there be new sound test or information before the 17th of was that the final news?
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 12 January 2021, 14:30:42
I'm sure you could probably sell the ARRAY module too someone if/when a COMBO does come out.
Post by: CookieFlow on Tue, 12 January 2021, 20:01:39
But with the other Modules I would still use them from time to time, but I would never use "regular" Array if there is a Circle+Array module later.
Sure I can always try to sell it, but if I can avoid this trouble, I'd prefer of course. I would rather spend it on an extra PCB or plate for example.
Sadly I don't have an infinite budget :(
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Tue, 12 January 2021, 21:24:12
But watching the sound tests released + JYMV's review, it sounds fairly underwhelming and almost mushy hollow.
Hope this is something that can be address considering how expensive this board is.
Post by: nickorrnah on Tue, 12 January 2021, 21:52:03
Post by: s9ofhearts on Tue, 12 January 2021, 22:13:04
Aesthetic and design wise, this board is really innovative. I loooove the modular concept, and I wish more boards would embrace this (even though on a manufacturing level, that increases cost by a lot).
But watching the sound tests released + JYMV's review, it sounds fairly underwhelming and almost mushy hollow.
Hope this is something that can be address considering how expensive this board is.
The JYMV video you mentioned is the Grid 600 I believe, which is quite different to the 650, considering it's a different mounting style (tray mount vs gasket).
However, I completely agree about the sound tests (the one with the ink black switches in particular sound very mushy and unsatisfying). I'm hoping that it's the mic quality rather than the board itself.
Grid, are you able to post more sound test videos (perhaps with a different mic if possible) to hopefully ease our concerns?
Thanks again.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 13 January 2021, 03:36:24
Hi Grid,
I would like to place my order soon, since the GB ending date is very close, I hope you will have the time to answer about the potential Circle+Array module that you presented.
Personally it would be my perfect module and I would order at least 2 colors, and I don't mind waiting if it releases several months after the rest. But I would really hate to order regular Array now, if this combo module is available later :(
Do you think you will be able to confirm if this module will be made before the end of the GB period or that isn't possible?
(Well it's probably too late to do anything about EU vendors now, but basically the board will cost about 30% more for most EU residents due to high import taxes :( )
Sorry for the high import taxes.
The chance for us to release an ARRAY+CIRCLE combined module is 75%. We will also consider reusing the PCB in ARRAY if possible.
Thanks for considering our product.
Thanks Grid,
75% is very high, but not 100% either :(
I will need to think if I want to take the risk of skipping Array now, and take the chance Circle+Array combined doesn't get made :(
Ahhhhh I don't know what to do.
Thanks for the new sound test also.
It's very strange, I could hear a big difference in 4mm vs 1.5mm on the Tealios, but with Black Inks I can't tell the difference.
Will there be new sound test or information before the 17th of was that the final news?
For us, 75% means it is on our schedule unless we meet some technical difficulties.
We will release another video with holy panda with an ARRAY prototype.
Thanks,
grid
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 13 January 2021, 03:41:26
So is there any particular reason why none of the modules are offered in e-white? Very surprising given that all modules come in navy and black as options so you can color match that, but none for the white? Not even the Classic penholder?
Love the product, and will definitely be picking it up, but it feels like that was an easy miss on the design of the overall offering.
I wanted in white, but it seems like the dumb move to make since I can't properly match it with any modules for a clean all-white look.
E-white is a finish kind of like coating, which adds a small amount of thickness to the chassis or parts.
We are concerned if both the module or the keyboard is e-white, the fit between them could be too tight.
Sorry that we can't provide this option and we hope you can understand.
Hey!
Do you see yourself prototyping that, even if for just the classic/classic-s in that colorway as a limited option, or something in that vein?
I haven't made my purchase yet, but plan to. Just still wanna figure out if a module is a possibility in some way shape or form, or if at least an interest check for that is even possible as well, before making my final decision.
It's the one thing this board is missing!
Thanks mate
That a very good question. We do have some E-white module prototypes and most of them fit in just fine. We will visit our vendors next week. We will revise this combination. Maybe we will be able to do that in the future.
Thanks again.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 13 January 2021, 03:47:29
Aesthetic and design wise, this board is really innovative. I loooove the modular concept, and I wish more boards would embrace this (even though on a manufacturing level, that increases cost by a lot).
But watching the sound tests released + JYMV's review, it sounds fairly underwhelming and almost mushy hollow.
Hope this is something that can be address considering how expensive this board is.
Thanks for your feedback. Some said we need to put a gaming or table pad under the keyboard during the sound tests. We should do that in the next video. We will also include some PORON for free. You can put them between the PCB and plate, and that should make some improvement.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 13 January 2021, 03:48:59
Does Grid have any plans on releasing a grid 750 or higher board? I would be interested in a closer to full size board if there are plans to make one within the next year or so.
We will for sure consider it after we have every 650 shipped.
Post by: gridishere on Wed, 13 January 2021, 03:53:03
Aesthetic and design wise, this board is really innovative. I loooove the modular concept, and I wish more boards would embrace this (even though on a manufacturing level, that increases cost by a lot).
But watching the sound tests released + JYMV's review, it sounds fairly underwhelming and almost mushy hollow.
Hope this is something that can be address considering how expensive this board is.
The JYMV video you mentioned is the Grid 600 I believe, which is quite different to the 650, considering it's a different mounting style (tray mount vs gasket).
However, I completely agree about the sound tests (the one with the ink black switches in particular sound very mushy and unsatisfying). I'm hoping that it's the mic quality rather than the board itself.
Grid, are you able to post more sound test videos (perhaps with a different mic if possible) to hopefully ease our concerns?
Thanks again.
The Ink Black V2 we have were not lubed properly and you can hear the scratch sound of the springs. It is our fault.
We do want to make a demo for FLASH so we still decided to release the video.
We will consider upgrading our recording devices as well. Wondering if you have any suggestions?
Many thanks
Post by: CookieFlow on Wed, 13 January 2021, 12:53:36
Crossing my fingers that there are no technical difficulties for the Circle+Array module.
I agree the Black Ink video probably wasn't the best demonstration of the potential of this board.
As you suggested, I would love to see a video with Holy Pandas with Array, and also some JWK's like Alpacas for example.
But there are only 3/4 days left on the GB so it might be difficult to release in time.
I am assuming the 4mm plate makes it very stiff? I couldn't tell the difference in sound on the black Ink, but on the Tealios I prefered the 1.5mm plate.
Post by: nickorrnah on Wed, 13 January 2021, 14:45:40
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 13 January 2021, 15:11:20
Now. if they ever come out with one with an HHKB layout... Then i'd be upset!
Post by: CookieFlow on Wed, 13 January 2021, 19:16:09
Eh, 65% is perfect for me, especially since most key sets screw up their f-row by by making the middle cluster the same color as the alphas, looks bad man.
Now. if they ever come out with one with an HHKB layout... Then i'd be upset!
Grid said he would consider offering plans for a blocker so that we could make/order them ourselves (not sure where though...)
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 13 January 2021, 20:15:35
Post by: gridishere on Thu, 14 January 2021, 07:09:07
Awesome news !
Crossing my fingers that there are no technical difficulties for the Circle+Array module.
I agree the Black Ink video probably wasn't the best demonstration of the potential of this board.
As you suggested, I would love to see a video with Holy Pandas with Array, and also some JWK's like Alpacas for example.
But there are only 3/4 days left on the GB so it might be difficult to release in time.
I am assuming the 4mm plate makes it very stiff? I couldn't tell the difference in sound on the black Ink, but on the Tealios I prefered the 1.5mm plate.
The 4mm plate feel stiffer but it can be adjusted by using soft silicon gaskets or just have them removed. We will provide 3mm ANSI felt pad for everyone purchase the 1.5mm plate.
We will release the video within 2 days.
Post by: zenotic on Thu, 14 January 2021, 21:11:17
Also, whats the average weight of Grid 650 ?
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 15 January 2021, 00:01:52
Hey grid, will extra PCBs (or parts and modules) be available for purchase later part of this quarter when Circle+Array is available ?PCB and parts will be available for a long time.
Also, whats the average weight of Grid 650 ?
A limited amount of modules will be available when we do the next GB.
The average weight is about 1.6 kg or 3.5 lbs.
Thanks!
Post by: Zammin on Fri, 15 January 2021, 02:40:35
Can I please make one small amendment to my order? I just want to change the color of module ARRAY from Navy to Silver. I've emailed zFrontier about it but we are having some communication issues due to language barrier. They sound like they are saying they've put in the request but I don't know what's actually happening, and I've asked for someone to just let me know if/when my order has been amended, but they keep quoting this sentence from their first reply:
"Hi ,I have marked your request which can not been seen from your sides while my colleague will"
I don't understand what this means. There is no change in price or module type, just color choice. So I would expect it to be fairly simple but I don't know how exactly how this works on your/zFrontier's end.
Post by: gridishere on Fri, 15 January 2021, 03:07:46
@gridishere
Can I please make one small amendment to my order? I just want to change the color of module ARRAY from Navy to Silver. I've emailed zFrontier about it but we are having some communication issues due to language barrier. They sound like they are saying they've put in the request but I don't know what's actually happening, and I've asked for someone to just let me know if/when my order has been amended, but they keep quoting this sentence from their first reply:
"Hi ,I have marked your request which can not been seen from your sides while my colleague will"
I don't understand what this means. There is no change in price or module type, just color choice. So I would expect it to be fairly simple but I don't know how exactly how this works on your/zFrontier's end.
It should be fairly simple. I am sorry that happened. Can you E-mail me, gridishere@gmail.com ? Please use the E-mail address you used for ordering.
I will make the note for you, just mention that you want to change your ARRAY from Navy to Silver. Sorry for the hassle.
Thanks for understanding and support!
Best,
grid
Post by: s9ofhearts on Fri, 15 January 2021, 03:18:29
Hi Grid,
Thanks for posting that new video - really looking forward to seeing more videos. However, just one thing kind of bothers me - is there any chance of disabling the breathing light effect for the front indicator light while the keyboard is in use, as it seems it would be distracting during use.
Thanks again
Hi Grid,
Is there any way to disable the lighting effect from the front indicator light when the keyboard is in use in bluetooth mode?
Thanks
Post by: Zammin on Fri, 15 January 2021, 03:43:05
@gridishere
Can I please make one small amendment to my order? I just want to change the color of module ARRAY from Navy to Silver. I've emailed zFrontier about it but we are having some communication issues due to language barrier. They sound like they are saying they've put in the request but I don't know what's actually happening, and I've asked for someone to just let me know if/when my order has been amended, but they keep quoting this sentence from their first reply:
"Hi ,I have marked your request which can not been seen from your sides while my colleague will"
I don't understand what this means. There is no change in price or module type, just color choice. So I would expect it to be fairly simple but I don't know how exactly how this works on your/zFrontier's end.
It should be fairly simple. I am sorry that happened. Can you E-mail me, gridishere@gmail.com ? Please use the E-mail address you used for ordering.
I will make the note for you, just mention that you want to change your ARRAY from Navy to Silver. Sorry for the hassle.
Thanks for understanding and support!
Best,
grid
Thanks very much, I'll send you an email now.
Post by: CookieFlow on Fri, 15 January 2021, 08:25:29
Hey grid, will extra PCBs (or parts and modules) be available for purchase later part of this quarter when Circle+Array is available ?PCB and parts will be available for a long time.
Also, whats the average weight of Grid 650 ?
A limited amount of modules will be available when we do the next GB.
The average weight is about 1.6 kg or 3.5 lbs.
Thanks!
Just to be sure I understood correctly.
-Module 10 Circle GB will be happening for sure around March. And hopefully some Circle "combo" modules also at the same time.
Is that correct?
-And now you just mentionned some of the current modules 1-9 will still be available for purchase during the March Circle GB.
Do you already know which ones would be returning?
I apologize for all my questions, but with the delay of module 10 and uncertainty of the combo modules it's a bit difficult to plan the correct purchases.
I will be getting 3 Peaks modules and 1 Flash for sure, but if regular Array will be back in March I would prefer to wait and see if circle-array combo will be available.
Looking forward to the sound test video that should hopefully be available by tomorrow.
Thank you very much.
Post by: gridishere on Sat, 16 January 2021, 01:51:47
Hey grid, will extra PCBs (or parts and modules) be available for purchase later part of this quarter when Circle+Array is available ?PCB and parts will be available for a long time.
Also, whats the average weight of Grid 650 ?
A limited amount of modules will be available when we do the next GB.
The average weight is about 1.6 kg or 3.5 lbs.
Thanks!
Just to be sure I understood correctly.
-Module 10 Circle GB will be happening for sure around March. And hopefully some Circle "combo" modules also at the same time.
Is that correct?
-And now you just mentionned some of the current modules 1-9 will still be available for purchase during the March Circle GB.
Do you already know which ones would be returning?
I apologize for all my questions, but with the delay of module 10 and uncertainty of the combo modules it's a bit difficult to plan the correct purchases.
I will be getting 3 Peaks modules and 1 Flash for sure, but if regular Array will be back in March I would prefer to wait and see if circle-array combo will be available.
Looking forward to the sound test video that should hopefully be available by tomorrow.
Thank you very much.
- That's our plan.
- We will have very limited stock for modules 1-9 when the group buy of Module 10 starts. This means not all modules in all colors will be available.
Thanks for your question and the third video is available now.
Post by: curious-otter on Sat, 16 January 2021, 17:26:37
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 16 January 2021, 18:35:12
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 16 January 2021, 18:52:01
I think I did the right choice with my modules ... hopefully !
See you in March for Circle combo GB, fingers crossed, I count on you Grid.
ps: Did you guys have to pay for shipping? I thought zFrontier had free shipping over 100$ and my order was over 700$, and I had to pay a pretty extra on top for shipping :(
Post by: bigoldbox on Sat, 16 January 2021, 19:37:13
It was very difficult to choose, but I finally managed to place my order.Yeah, asked them about it and they said the Grid GB was an exception for their shipping policy. I hoped to shave a few dollars off shipping too.
I think I did the right choice with my modules ... hopefully !
See you in March for Circle combo GB, fingers crossed, I count on you Grid.
ps: Did you guys have to pay for shipping? I thought zFrontier had free shipping over 100$ and my order was over 700$, and I had to pay a pretty extra on top for shipping :(
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 16 January 2021, 19:53:31
It was very difficult to choose, but I finally managed to place my order.Yeah, asked them about it and they said the Grid GB was an exception for their shipping policy. I hoped to shave a few dollars off shipping too.
I think I did the right choice with my modules ... hopefully !
See you in March for Circle combo GB, fingers crossed, I count on you Grid.
ps: Did you guys have to pay for shipping? I thought zFrontier had free shipping over 100$ and my order was over 700$, and I had to pay a pretty extra on top for shipping :(
:(
My shipping was over 70$
Post by: Zammin on Sun, 17 January 2021, 00:06:46
@gridishere
Can I please make one small amendment to my order? I just want to change the color of module ARRAY from Navy to Silver. I've emailed zFrontier about it but we are having some communication issues due to language barrier. They sound like they are saying they've put in the request but I don't know what's actually happening, and I've asked for someone to just let me know if/when my order has been amended, but they keep quoting this sentence from their first reply:
"Hi ,I have marked your request which can not been seen from your sides while my colleague will"
I don't understand what this means. There is no change in price or module type, just color choice. So I would expect it to be fairly simple but I don't know how exactly how this works on your/zFrontier's end.
It should be fairly simple. I am sorry that happened. Can you E-mail me, gridishere@gmail.com ? Please use the E-mail address you used for ordering.
I will make the note for you, just mention that you want to change your ARRAY from Navy to Silver. Sorry for the hassle.
Thanks for understanding and support!
Best,
grid
Thanks very much, I'll send you an email now.
@gridishere did you get my email the other day? Just need to check because I didn't receive a reply.
Post by: hellotp on Sun, 17 January 2021, 01:39:57
Awww Yeah! Just put my order in. I usually prefer the look of wkl, but it's doesn't work for me on this one. I also went with the Flash module, and I'm thinking about getting the array too.. Ideally, i'd like to try and "mod" the mods, and combine both into one..
Thanks for your support!
We are thinking of a module combine Circle and ARRARY. Don't know if you will be interested.
So glad that this is happening! I had to decide so hard not to opt in for the Array and now I know there will be one with Circle! GB Joined and looking forward to updates and production. Is geekhack and instagram the best place to follow for updates? No discord?
Post by: Capone1423 on Sun, 17 January 2021, 06:56:47
do I need a 3.7V Li-Ion or a Li-Ion Polymer battery?