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Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Zamorph on Tue, 13 September 2011, 13:59:12
I use a g700, had old logitech that finally kicked the can.  I do not really like the g700 that much, the wireless mode doesn't last long, even on the energy saved mode.  It also does not feel as nice as other cheap mice.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: RamaBot on Tue, 13 September 2011, 14:10:47
1 Xai

2 Intellimouse Optical 1.1

3 Sugar
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Post by: Bilbin on Wed, 14 September 2011, 00:34:23
At the moment:

1 Abyssus

2 IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0

3 Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1 (never used it but I think I'd like it a lot)
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Post by: daerid on Wed, 14 September 2011, 00:44:42
1. Logitech G400, 2. IE 3.0, 3. R.A.T. 7
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Post by: Fuzzy Dunlop on Wed, 14 September 2011, 01:07:46
Wacom Stylus > *
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Post by: czarek on Wed, 14 September 2011, 03:05:22
DT225 FTW, but tweaked a lot with ControllerMate to adjust acceleration curve to my tastes, enable scrolling, chording and other nice stuff.
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Post by: vun on Wed, 14 September 2011, 06:22:04
Quote from: Fuzzy Dunlop;415874
Wacom Stylus > *
This.
Also G9x and possibly DeathAdder if it has the same shape as the Habu.
Habu's sensor is too picky, but the shape is fantastic.
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Post by: Arcane on Wed, 14 September 2011, 10:14:23
Lachesis 5600 - good buttons, good shape at least for me, dpi adjustments, very precise, colors :P
Intelli Explorer 3.0 - very comfortable but slow, needs some fixing of buttons and wheel
Xai - good shape, very precise, extra features for the sensor that I don't use personally, steelseries logo and layer always wearing out making the mouse look awful...( I had two Xai's ), buttons are too easily pressed in my opinion.

If the IE 3.0 sensor was faster I would definitely pick it over any other mouse I own.
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Post by: Daniel Beaver on Wed, 14 September 2011, 10:59:31
The DeathAdder and IE3.0 are my go-to mice.
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Post by: dreamingftw on Wed, 14 September 2011, 11:07:39
Spawn > g9x > Deathadder
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Post by: foliolio on Wed, 14 September 2011, 14:40:43
Deathadder 3G > everything else. The only modern mouse with a flawless sensor.
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Post by: leotnnz on Wed, 14 September 2011, 20:25:55
the mouse kept on my desk: xai, razer deathadder black edition, g500

the mouse sold or returned : g700, performance mx, g9x, ss ikari
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Post by: Quarzac on Wed, 14 September 2011, 21:15:25
G500 all the way. Great mouse.
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Post by: Brodie337 on Wed, 14 September 2011, 21:41:40
Absolutely loving my G700. Sure, compared to most mice, the battery life sucks, but it's on par with most other wireless gaming mice, like the Mamba.
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Post by: forTruce on Wed, 14 September 2011, 21:49:42
Right now I am using a logitech g9x.  I think it is quite amazing, but the only other mice i have owned were 10$ dynex (Best Buy brand) mice.  I am very interested in trying out a Razer Naga though.
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Post by: nar on Thu, 15 September 2011, 10:52:30
Favourite mouse? Logitech MX700, that was the best wireless mouse I've had, great for gaming. Too bad I lost it to an unfortunate accident involving lots of water >_<.
Using a Performance MX right now, not as good, but I got it on a very good sale so it's ok.
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Post by: AlleyViper on Thu, 15 September 2011, 13:02:24
DA 3Gv2
IME 3.0
WMO 1.1
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Post by: eyeshield21san on Thu, 15 September 2011, 13:53:43
Zowie Mico. I like small mice.
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Post by: Wibox on Thu, 15 September 2011, 15:04:37
CST trackball. I like it.
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Post by: MissileMike on Thu, 15 September 2011, 17:30:08
Intellimouse Optical 1.1a
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Post by: J888www on Thu, 15 September 2011, 19:39:07
Lost count of how many rodents I had used in the past, cheap or expensive. I had always liked the shape of the MS wireless optical 1000, it just seem to fit my paws perfectly, also reminded me of the female anatomy but the strange saucer-like receiver was annoyingly big (not suitable with my laptop).
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As time passed, I had given-up seeking a mouse after numerous disappointments. This Summer, while I was browsing the Golden Computer Shopping Center in Sham Shui Po for a OCZ SSD, I came across the MS Wireless Optical 1000 DPI 2.4 GHz USB mouse and purchased it for  HK$99 :clap2: . I was at first, disappointed with the half-sized USB receiver as I had thought it had a "Nano" sized receiver when I purchased. After a few days of usage, the receiver size was forgotten (not really that big but it did stick out just a little from my ThinkPad). The shape is even more cleaner than its' predecessor, as it has lost a little of its' curvature, seems to have become a more mature female figure.

I had instantly began to like this mouse very very much................................it has become my all-time favourite...and that's in comparisons to the likes of MX518, BumbleBeeDeathAdder, LTD Edition BoomSlang etc etc etc. I also like the colour of the OptimusPrimeDeathAdder but I found Adders to be a little toooo light to suit.
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It also tracks and clicks just fine.
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Post by: thp777 on Thu, 15 September 2011, 20:03:33
my razer naga is my favorite . the pickup issue doesnt cause a problem for me because i never have to pick the mouse up and the extra buttons are nice for 3ds max and stuff. used to have a microsoft intellimouse white and red not sure what version but really liked the shape of it
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Post by: LostArk on Thu, 15 September 2011, 23:54:58
Razer Abyssus.

The shape is perfect for my hand / grip style (fingertip). The sensor is also fabulous. It tracks as well as any mouse I've ever used, including $100+ laser mice (I use it at 3500dpi). I find that the glossy plastic sides of the mouse provide better grip than matte plastic / rubberized coating (Steelseries Kinzu felt like a slip n slide to me), though ymmv. The perfect mouse for fingertip / high sensitivity users imo.
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Post by: ethanh8791 on Sat, 17 September 2011, 11:22:23
pretty pleased with Razer Spectre (before it I would say og Lachesis).
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Post by: george__ on Sat, 17 September 2011, 12:49:55
I love my Razer Diamondback 3G which has lasted me over 3+ years. Never saw the point of buying a 35000 or some really high dpi mouse. And my other favourite is my tiny Logitech M305 which has a HUGE battery life but puny receiver.
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Post by: pruik6 on Mon, 19 September 2011, 19:44:02
1 razer salmosa 800 dpi 2 razer imperator 4g (finally z axis bug fixxed)
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Post by: QualityMechKeyboards on Mon, 19 September 2011, 20:04:52
V7 Gaming mouse is a good choice, $25 from walmart.com so in case you dont like it you can return it. 2400dpi with great tracking, 5 buttons, and good shape. The price can't be beat honestly.
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Post by: Malphas on Mon, 19 September 2011, 21:12:10
Logitech MX510/518, haven't tried the G400 but it's probably just as good.
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Post by: brewboy49 on Mon, 19 September 2011, 21:26:51
Mionix 5000.
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Post by: jpc on Mon, 19 September 2011, 21:54:24
Contour Design RollerMouse Pro 2 (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:21048)

Been using this as a daily driver for 6 weeks. My hands feel better than they have in a year.
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Post by: NewbieOneKenobi on Tue, 20 September 2011, 02:44:09
A4tech 4D something... had "WWW" in its name IIRC. It was a ball mouse, best mouse I've ever had.
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Post by: hcry4 on Wed, 21 September 2011, 01:35:20
m570, which is $40 at amazon right now. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043T7FXE/sr=1-1/qid=1316560120/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1316560120&sr=1-1&seller=)
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Post by: Urglifast on Wed, 21 September 2011, 01:43:30
razer Imperator. i've tried using other mice, none seem to feel as good to me.
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Post by: Deverica Wolf on Wed, 21 September 2011, 04:25:21
G9x for Desktop and Gaming.
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Post by: Notoriousxpinoy on Thu, 29 September 2011, 09:56:51
Razer Naga Molten Edition(I had to get one that matches my rig's color theme which is black/red)...

Unfortunately I took a break from playing MMOs which is what the mouse is really built for. But I will be back in the MMO scene with SWTOR

But of course my overall favorite mouse of all time was the Logitech mx518.. that mouse lasted me so long and it was the one mouse I couldn't live without.
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Post by: magictoaster on Fri, 30 September 2011, 15:16:24
Steelseries Sensei... I know it comes with all sorts of "bling" but it's still a nice mouse (I've written this on a few forums and I start to sound like a broken record / shill)...
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Post by: NewbieOneKenobi on Sat, 01 October 2011, 07:16:38
My favourite seems to be Logitech's G9X now. I love the way this mouse works. When it does. Because it doesn't always.

Quote from: magictoaster;424209
Steelseries Sensei... I know it comes with all sorts of "bling" but it's still a nice mouse (I've written this on a few forums and I start to sound like a broken record / shill)...

Does it differ from the Xai other than the looks, the feel of the surface, and the faster working LCD menu?
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Post by: Glockateer on Mon, 03 October 2011, 04:22:39
Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a ~
I gave up waiting for a mouse that's better.
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Post by: magictoaster on Mon, 03 October 2011, 10:23:42
Quote from: NewbieOneKenobi;424533
Does it differ from the Xai other than the looks, the feel of the surface, and the faster working LCD menu?

You can customize the lift distance (EXACTLIFT), and it use the new SteelSeries Engine driver instead of the "old" Xai driver (that never gets updated). I'm using a XAI at work, and the Sensei at home, and I would say get whichever is cheaper (but I still prefer the Sensei). One thing to note, the new SteelSeries Engine use a lot of memory (anywhere between 50MB to 100MB) so it might be something to consider. But you do not need to install it to configure/use the mouse.
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Post by: Clickey on Mon, 03 October 2011, 11:29:26
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Post by: Chobopants on Mon, 03 October 2011, 14:51:58
Xai
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Post by: rich0d on Tue, 04 October 2011, 04:06:18
Currently Explorer 3's, but my favourite of all time mouse was the Logitech Pilot Wheel + Razer Boomslang ball, Boomers had a tendancy to die, and I went through 2 of them, I popped the ball in a Pilot and it was smooth, accurate, fast, worked like a charm, improved my rail tenfold. I should've stocked up on them when I had the chance as they died alot, but cost £5 each
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Post by: Scarzy on Tue, 04 October 2011, 04:10:29
Intellimouse 3.0, or the 1.1  or the wmo.
Hands down. Infact, I love the sensors that MS put in their first gen mice because they are quite simply splendid, no prediction and if I game I never max out my movement. I feel they are smooth and accurate on all fronts.

I like the death adder and the 518 too, (and have 2 of each) but I dont find myself aiming as well if I use these.
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Post by: Chrontius on Tue, 04 October 2011, 17:42:26
I've been through a lot - MX510, rejected the 518 flat out, the G5, G5SE, G9, G500, Deathadder, Apple's wireless and USB mighty mice, but here's what stuck:

The Steelseries Ikari, and the Razer Orochi (laptop mouse).

The G9 needs a better location for the sensitivity switch and the scroll-wheel mode on top, the G500 needed profiles.  The Ikari is simple by comparison - four buttons, click wheel, and two sensitivities… but the devil, as they say, is in the details.  The ergonomics are glorious, and the sensor, noise correction, etc. are adjustable and do all their work on hardware - I just set the profiles, and forget the drivers ever existed, making them very Mac friendly.  They're very accurate, smooth-tracking, and the switch feel is excellent.  There's one button to toggle two sensitivity levels, meaning there's very little to think about while using them, and they're well placed to use without reaching, meaning you actually use it instead of ignoring it because of its accessibility (or lack thereof).

I'd like to like the Logitechs, but they offer a painful compromise with each new iteration.
I'd like to like the Razers, but their mac drivers kinda sucked - to the point they were performing better without them installed.  The Orochi was the first exception, and the bluetooth/USB hybrid design was a nice touch.
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Post by: zareliman on Sat, 08 October 2011, 19:50:44
Razer Copperhead, I'm still triying to find a mouse with a similar shape for my fingertip/claw grips with more buttons and sensitivity (2000dpi feels just too low after I bought this 5700dpi mouse with the phillips twin eye laser sensor).
I think I'm going for the G9x since they recommend it for fingertip grip and logitech offers this nice feature that lets you assign a button for lowering the mouse sensitivity while pressing it (for those accurate sniper shots) that's much faster than having 2 buttons to change dpi up and down for the same purpose. I don't understand why razer or other gaming peripheral companies don't offer this simple feature, as far as I know only logitech, microsoft, R.A.T. and Roccat offer this.
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Post by: fantus on Sun, 09 October 2011, 00:02:51
Razer Naga, used to have a Deathadder for some 4 years, but then sometimes the left mouse button would randomly stop working. I wish the naga was bigger in scale, other then that its perfect.
I also tried the Imperator and a steel series mmorpg mouse (forget which one), but they didn't feel right for my grip.
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Post by: HWI on Sun, 09 October 2011, 01:30:59
Quote from: Daniel Beaver;416017
The DeathAdder and IE3.0 are my go-to mice.


These are also my current favorites. I'm using the Black Edition now and love it.
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Post by: TheProfosist on Tue, 11 October 2011, 19:01:03
Love my G700 now that i have it I cant live without it. Its everything I ever wanted in a mouse!
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Post by: enoy21 on Tue, 11 October 2011, 19:10:25
I loved my G18 until the scroll wheel bit the dust. Now that's on my sons computer ( he's 5 and doesn't miss it ) And I use my G5.   Up until recently I ran it with no weight but for a change I loaded it up with max weight and like it so much better now.
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Tue, 11 October 2011, 22:17:19
logitech g500 for life~
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Post by: Bry on Wed, 12 October 2011, 02:24:41
Mionix Naos 5000
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Post by: zareliman on Wed, 12 October 2011, 21:44:33
Quote from: Son of Gnome;429283
logitech g500 for life~

Truly an exceptional mouse. I'm using it right now and feels like the one that will replace my razer copperhead.
I still prefer the shape of the diamondback/copperhead but I wanted a higher DPI sensor and more buttons so...
G500 FTW, now I get why people likes Logitech.
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Post by: Brodie337 on Wed, 12 October 2011, 22:48:57
Quote from: zareliman;429885
Truly an exceptional mouse. I'm using it right now and feels like the one that will replace my razer copperhead.
I still prefer the shape of the diamondback/copperhead but I wanted a higher DPI sensor and more buttons so...
G500 FTW, now I get why people likes Logitech.

Try the G700... Same sensor as the G500, but wireless and MORE buttons! :P
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Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 12 October 2011, 23:25:26
Quote from: Brodie337;429918
Try the G700... Same sensor as the G500, but wireless and MORE buttons! :P
and the same ergonomics as the MX Revolution which is what really sold me.
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Post by: zmurf on Thu, 13 October 2011, 06:17:39
mm.. I don't use any mouse... so I would say
1) My own creation (https://picasaweb.google.com/103690929877689543487/HyperScrollWheelInTrackpointCherryMechanicalKeyboard#5608756197464801730)
2) IBM/Lenovo Trackpoint
3) Kensington Expert Mouse Trackball

Edit:
But if I used a mouse it would definitely be the Logitech M500 wired mouse. (I don't like wireless things that keep running out of battery...)
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Post by: calavera on Thu, 13 October 2011, 09:23:49
CM Spawn or Logitech G9/G9x. I have small hands.
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Post by: Glockateer on Thu, 13 October 2011, 23:12:34
I finally got a cm storm spawn and it is great. Maybe it is the modern intellimouse. =)
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Post by: Clickey on Fri, 14 October 2011, 08:36:03
Razer mice suck ass, they have the worst build quality of any mouse (including the $5 OEM ones), I have tried 6 different models and they all had problems. I have heard many people say theirs failed after a few months. Don't know why people even consider razer products at all, there are better things out there for much cheaper.
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Post by: pyro on Fri, 14 October 2011, 09:25:28
I have a G9, and I really like its stepless (optional) scrolling wheel. You can just flick it up or down and momentum will do the rest. I also like the low profile, I'd probably even prefer a lower profile mouse. But the middle mouse button is too hard to press.
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Post by: 7bit on Fri, 14 October 2011, 10:41:31
I'm using a Roller Mouse Free plus a good old Logitech ball mouse:

(http://deskthority.net/w/images/thumb/8/88/Rollermouse_301.jpg/640px-Rollermouse_301.jpg) (http://deskthority.net/wiki/RollerMouse)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22717&d=1311978839)
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Post by: zareliman on Fri, 14 October 2011, 23:13:30
Quote from: Brodie337;429918
Try the G700... Same sensor as the G500, but wireless and MORE buttons! :P

I wanted that one but wasn't available here and decided that I would stick to a G500 since I don't really need a wireless mouse (a wireless trackball would be nice tho).
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Post by: TheProfosist on Fri, 14 October 2011, 23:14:19
Quote from: zareliman;431499
I wanted that one but wasn't available here and decided that I would stick to a G500 since I don't really need a wireless mouse (a wireless trackball would be nice tho).
Check out the Logitech M570 then
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Post by: stingrae on Sat, 15 October 2011, 03:35:26
1. Razer Diamondback 3G
2. Razer Copperhead (Current Mouse)
3. RAT3

I seem to have small hands even the RAT3 is too wide for me and cramps my hand quite badly but it's still a good mouse. The copperhead is ok but not as nice as my old diamondback its just that I could get a copperhead and can't get a diamondback 3g. Razer build quallity is the reason I don't still have the diamondback (the right click became impossible to click fast) but I tried the RAT3, CM Storm Spawn (the ring finger rest is my biggest complaint since you can't really have your ring finger in a claw like shape and it is again too wide for me), Lachesis (seemed ok but the Z-axis issue is really irritating), Abyssus (awesome but that cheap ass scroll wheel is rubbish :(), Deathadder too big for me, G400 again too big for me and I basicly sent it back the moment I felt the poor scroll wheel on it.

Based on that and research I never tried the XAI, Imperator or G9x (looked too wide and sensor has built in accel whether i'd notice it or not I don't know, I doubt it).

The diamondback and copperhead shape is much better for me but really i'd want:
Perfect Mouse for me
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I guess i'll just wait till razer gets bored and rehashes the diamondback...even if they put a phillips fail-eye sensor in it i'd probably buy it :(...
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Post by: d2v on Sat, 15 October 2011, 11:59:09
Microsoft Natural 6000
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Post by: daerid on Thu, 20 October 2011, 03:14:49
@stingrae: I hear ya. My Copperhead was one of my favorite mice. It's a shame that shape was discontinued :(
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Post by: doombug5000 on Thu, 20 October 2011, 06:56:17
Intellimouse 1.1; for nostalgic value + it's a great mouse, I love how light it is.

or

R.A.T 7; for being infinitely customisable and as a result the most comfortable mouse I've used, I find the thumb/little finger rests unbelievably useful.
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Post by: Lethal Squirrel on Sun, 23 October 2011, 18:25:09
Steelseries Ikari Laser
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Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 23 October 2011, 18:30:47
Quote from: Lethal Squirrel;437601
Steelseries Ikari Laser
I used one of those since they came out up until a couple monthes ago when it finally bit the dust. I switched to a G700 fits my hand and needs better.
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Post by: Pretendo on Sun, 23 October 2011, 22:16:48
The V7 Gaming Mouse is my favorite right now.  Admittedly, I have not tried any real performance mice, but this model fits my ambidextrous needs quite nicely.
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Post by: Striketh on Sun, 23 October 2011, 23:26:54
I'm using a Logitech Performance MX which is, in my opinion, the best mouse I've ever used. It also looks great and fits my hand perfectly.
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Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 23 October 2011, 23:34:36
Quote from: Striketh;437751
I'm using a Logitech Performance MX which is, in my opinion, the best mouse I've ever used. It also looks great and fits my hand perfectly.
personally my thumb is a bit tight which it wasnt on the MX Revolution or the MX 1100 or the G700
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Post by: Striketh on Mon, 24 October 2011, 00:18:50
Quote from: TheProfosist;437755
personally my thumb is a bit tight which it wasnt on the MX Revolution or the MX 1100 or the G700

I guess my hand is shaped better for the performance MX than yours is.
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Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 24 October 2011, 00:20:20
Quote from: Striketh;437781
I guess my hand is shaped better for the performance MX than yours is.
or you have a smaller thumb.
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Post by: qtan5370 on Mon, 24 October 2011, 12:28:25
Ms, IO1.1  Hope someone can sell me a new and real one...
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Post by: phillip on Mon, 24 October 2011, 15:46:19
i forget if i've posted in this topic already

anyway my favorite mouse out of the ones i have is the zowie ec2

the ms intellimouse optical 1.1 is also awesome, but i haven't had one of those in years
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Post by: HeavyArms on Mon, 24 October 2011, 16:11:24
Razer Abyssus, review in wiki.
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Post by: Dugzor on Tue, 25 October 2011, 11:38:49
I recently got a Logitech MX Performance mouse.  I resisted going wireless for a long time, and now I'm not sure why.  Love this thing!
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Post by: aynjell on Wed, 26 October 2011, 17:19:12
I just bought a sensei, and recieved it yesterday. For the first time since I switched to left handed mice, I don't notice my mouse anymore. It's amazing.

The control I have over my games when using this mouse is the best I've experienced, and the control I have over the way the mouse behaves internally is empirically the best.

You can control lift off distance, mouse smoothing, mouse speed, etc.

The only failing of this mouse is one I can quickly get past: you have two dpi settings, instead of the industry standard of 5, and instead of flipping back and forward through the 5 options 1 step at a time, you flip flop between the two with a single button. For a great deal of games where the need to change immediately in game, this is actually superior and requires fewer button presses.

The only particular place where one needs to be able to change those settings at random like that is for those who are incapable of maintaining performance and need to be able to dial it down as gameplay goes down, or for those who just can't make up their mind.

I set mine at 1600 for desktop and games that are cursor based (WoW, Starcraft, etc.), with a DPI setting of about 4200 or so in games like quakelive or when I'm in a tank in BC2 or something, because seriously, those vehicles are intended to be sluggish as crap and it's a good workaround for those.
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Post by: TheProfosist on Thu, 27 October 2011, 00:51:37
5 is not the standard. I have never seen any use for more than 3. you could setup different profiles for different games and uses. I have a General, LoL, and Hellgate profile on my G700.
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Post by: Demofly on Thu, 27 October 2011, 01:30:28
Logitech MX1000 laser.
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Post by: Impure on Thu, 27 October 2011, 08:33:18
Microsoft IO1.1 x06/x08, Fell in love with it years ago, Still loving it now <3
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Post by: adrien239 on Fri, 28 October 2011, 08:08:40
Microsoft Trackball Explorer (for years now, perhaps 15...) with many programmations

ttp://www.shareware-beach.com/photos/J1282748.jpg
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Post by: squarebox on Sat, 29 October 2011, 12:16:39
Deathadder.
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Post by: wmtx on Tue, 01 November 2011, 07:52:34
1. Microsoft SideWinder X3
2. Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer
3. Apple Mighty Mouse (wired)

(Currently using the touchpad on my Cherry G80-11900)
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Post by: wmtx on Tue, 01 November 2011, 12:51:44
1. Microsoft SideWinder X3
2. Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer
3. Apple Mighty Mouse (wired)

(Currently using the touchpad of my G80-11900)
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Post by: shogrran on Thu, 10 November 2011, 18:32:05
Its fun to list all these mice you love but how about starting your sentences with this... "Compared to this ________ mouse.... I love ___________ mouse because ___________________"

Fill in the blanks.

Because I would really like to know whats the reason behind loving old school mice over new age mice.
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Post by: doubleint on Thu, 17 November 2011, 20:22:28
I'm surprised more people didn't mention the Logitech G500. I've been through so many mice and the G500, to me, is by far the best mouse out there. Only problem I know of with the G500 is the mesh on the cable frays easily but it can always just be removed.
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Post by: YpoCaramel on Sat, 19 November 2011, 06:42:23
I find Microgear really useful in daily use and I prefer wired as they're generally lighter than battery mice, so G500 is pretty much the best for me (the other contender, G9X, loses as it has fewer buttons). G700 is nice but the battery dies too fast - if I find a suitable cable I could use it wired perhaps take advatnage of the extra buttons. Anywhere Mouse MX still my favorite for mobile.

Yep, mouse tech has levelled off but you can always have improved ergonomics and different styling / random features. I'll keep buying *shrug*
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 19 November 2011, 06:51:49
Quote from: YpoCaramel;455404
I find Microgear really useful in daily use and I prefer wired as they're generally lighter than battery mice, so G500 is pretty much the best for me (the other contender, G9X, loses as it has fewer buttons). G700 is nice but the battery dies too fast - if I find a suitable cable I could use it wired perhaps take advatnage of the extra buttons. Anywhere Mouse MX still my favorite for mobile.

Yep, mouse tech has levelled off but you can always have improved ergonomics and different styling / random features. I'll keep buying *shrug*
Juat grab any micro USB cable for the G700. I recommended Link Depot and Rosewill of Newegg.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: reaper on Sat, 19 November 2011, 13:11:49
Hmm... I thought I posted in this thread.. must've been another one. lol  Oh well.  My current favorite mouse is CM Spawn.  Been using it for more than a few months now and no issue whatsoever (my previous mouse was a R.A.T. 7, also in the pic below).

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/CM%20Spawn/DSC06115.jpg)
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Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 19 November 2011, 13:32:55
Quote from: reaper;455575
Hmm... I thought I posted in this thread.. must've been another one. lol  Oh well.  My current favorite mouse is CM Spawn.  Been using it for more than a few months now and no issue whatsoever (my previous mouse was a R.A.T. 7, also in the pic below).

Show Image
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/CM%20Spawn/DSC06115.jpg)
That is one big bulge for you ring fing. But your pinky is left hanging? or you have to hold it to the side.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: reaper on Sat, 19 November 2011, 13:48:46
Hold it to the side but this mouse is so small so that isn't a problem.  It's a lot smaller IRL.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 19 November 2011, 13:51:06
Quote from: reaper;455618
Hold it to the side but this mouse is so small so that isn't a problem.  It's a lot smaller IRL.
i like palm mice so... Ikari Laser and Any mouse with the same Ergonomics as the MX Revolution and G700 are for me.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: popol on Sun, 20 November 2011, 07:53:47
I'll buy this spawn as well, sensor is better than the Zowie ec2 mouses from the feedback I got. And it looks that this CM brand has exploded the competition since the realease of the Inferno last year.
Can anybody confirm that the mousewheel is as nice as I've heard?
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Skylit on Sun, 20 November 2011, 10:18:09
Quote from: popol;456016
I'll buy this spawn as well, sensor is better than the Zowie ec2 mouses from the feedback I got. And it looks that this CM brand has exploded the competition since the realease of the Inferno last year.
Can anybody confirm that the mousewheel is as nice as I've heard?

It uses an ALPS mechanical encoder. One of the better ones on the market.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: elbowglue on Sun, 20 November 2011, 12:39:28
1) G400/Mx518
2) Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (Only dislike the low DPI)
3) Razer Deathadder 3g

I can live with the g400's prediction, I wish they would release a model with same sensor without prediction however..
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dux on Sun, 20 November 2011, 17:05:18
M500
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: samsara on Sat, 26 November 2011, 15:00:56
Steelseries Sensei by far.

Deathadder is also acceptable, and g9x too is a fair mouse.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Thion on Sat, 03 December 2011, 13:54:19
Switched from MX500 to G5r a few years ago, so i'm using this design since i abandoned my Trackball(first Logi Marble, still around) in '02. Tried the R.A.T. 7 a few months ago, but didn't like it.

I think it's better to use a certain mouse (form) for a long time rather that get the newest tech, because many (pro)gamers are far better with the Intelli rather than any other new tech-y mouse, so the tech is sufficient.

The general form of the MX(now Gx Series) is just it for me, exept holding the pinkie up gets a little tiring over time (4h+).

Said G5r is now slowly circling the drain, so i'm looking for a new mouse... think i'll get a Ikari, Sensei/Xai and a G400 and start a shootout (literally) session. If none of these get the job done right, maybe i can pick up a G5r at ebay.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Cassull on Sat, 03 December 2011, 20:01:19
I really like my MX Revolution. My old one broke and I got the Logitech G700 as a replacement. However, as mentioned before, there were issues, like the battery being pretty weak. I also didn't really like having to plug it into my computer to charge. The G700 also didn't have the automatic toggle into free scroll mode like the Revolution did; on the G700, you have to hit a button below the scroll wheel to toggle it on and I found that to be pretty annoying. Anyway, I'm back to the Revolution and love the charging cradle versus that USB cable. I find the document flip for the second scroll wheel near the thumb to not be very useful, though when I played WoW, it was REALLY useful having extra buttons/options on the mouse.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Saviant on Sun, 04 December 2011, 00:55:52
I have been using the Logitech G700 which I really like. The battery as mentioned isn't that good but replacing it with an eneloop and having some spare charged batteries does help. I did have the Razer mamba 2012 for less than a week but I couldn't get used to the size of it aswell as the USB connection having to be constantly disconnected from the wireless/docking station.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: HeavyArms on Sun, 04 December 2011, 01:14:56
see my review in the wiki of the Razer Abyssus.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: holden72 on Sun, 04 December 2011, 04:37:54
OCZ Equalizer
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: jbluzb on Sun, 04 December 2011, 08:39:54
You should get the steelseries sensei
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tapk69 on Wed, 07 December 2011, 08:59:41
g500 or g9x.... logitech is great
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: GeorgeStorm on Wed, 07 December 2011, 09:26:00
Currently using a CMStorm Sentinal Advance, took a while to get used to coming from my Razer Diamondback (the CMStorm is far bigger)
However I'm now really happy with it, both side buttons are easy to use, and I like the on the fly dpi settings :)
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: zmurf on Wed, 07 December 2011, 09:52:55
It's not my favourite mouse (since that is trackpoints)... but I managed to make my girlfriends father buy a War Mouse (http://www.warmouse.com). And he loves it. He his about 65 years old and has actually gone in pension. But in his spare time he does some CAD work in AutoCAD for a truss manufacturer. And he adores being able to connect all those buttons to different macros. :)

I guess most of you know what the War Mouse his.. but here's a picture anyway:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]34195[/ATTACH]
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tapk69 on Wed, 07 December 2011, 14:57:16
thats not for gaming ... but for other purposes..
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: zmurf on Thu, 08 December 2011, 06:17:32
Quote from: tapk69;465967
thats not for gaming ... but for other purposes..
Was that a requirement? That it was supposed to be a gaming mouse? And why wouldn't such a much be useful as a gaming mouse? I believed people who plays games like WoW and such liked thing that they can connect to game macros?
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: iMav on Thu, 08 December 2011, 07:00:57
As mentioned several times, my favorite integrated pointing device is a track point and my favorite external pointing device is a trackball.  (love the Trackman Marble Wheel, but am also fond of more traditional trackballs)
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: LukStarkiller on Thu, 08 December 2011, 07:49:27
Since I bought the Logitech MX1000, the next one I bought was the MX1100 and now I'm using a Performance MX
(In mouses I'm a Logitech fanboy since I had the MX1000 XD)
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: HWI on Sun, 11 December 2011, 16:18:52
New favorite mouse = CM Storm Xornet. Best shape mouse I've ever used and tracks solidly at 500dpi, also haven't had any issues with hitting its max control speed like some people do.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: HeroZero on Sun, 11 December 2011, 16:30:56
My original Logitech iFeel died a few months ago. It was a decade old and gave me many hours of gaming joy. And I never once used the rumble function; but, the rumble tech gave the mouse extra heft, which I prefer. I bought a replacement off Amazon and it will probably last another decade.

I also just recently purchased a Razer Naga. Once you get used to the slightly oddly-shaped protrusion on the right side, it's quite comfortable and accurate. So, those would be my two picks.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: DalaiLameR on Sun, 11 December 2011, 16:56:09
Razer Abyssus
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Skeese on Sun, 11 December 2011, 17:40:13
G400
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sun, 11 December 2011, 17:56:54
IBM TrackPoint L40 (in trackball mode) or Logitech TrackMan Wheel
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: JimBobMorris on Sun, 11 December 2011, 18:24:18
Logitech MX400

I've had this mouse for almost 6 years (i think) and it's outlasted every other computer component I've ever owned (although I expect my new mech keyboards to last just as long) by far.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: JimBobMorris on Sun, 11 December 2011, 18:26:28
Quote from: jbluzb;463844
You should get the steelseries sensei


I've read nothing but mediocre reviews on the sensei.
The fact that it's ambidextrous lends to it not being super comfortable for either right handed users or left handed users.
I don't know how someone can justify spending ~$100 on a mediocre mouse...
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Wat on Sun, 11 December 2011, 20:47:04
G500
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: RamaBot on Mon, 12 December 2011, 06:50:43
Quote from: JimBobMorris;468488
I've read nothing but mediocre reviews on the sensei.
The fact that it's ambidextrous lends to it not being super comfortable for either right handed users or left handed users.
I don't know how someone can justify spending ~$100 on a mediocre mouse...


I have been using the Xai for months now. It is the same shape as the Sensei.
It is the most comfortable mouse I have ever used.
I have had no faults or problems at all.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: HWI on Mon, 12 December 2011, 21:02:29
Mouse shape is more personal preference than anything imo, some people love ambidextrous and some people hate them.

My new favorite mouse, dethroned my previous favorites the DA and IME 3.0, is the CM Storm Xornet. Looove the shape and it has great tracking at 500dpi.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: thrasymedes on Tue, 13 December 2011, 12:45:22
I've been using the MS Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a as my primary mouse for probably a decade (along with various other mice that I've never liked nearly as much).

I just received a new Steelseries Xai and I'm loving it - almost identical dimensions and I like the optionality that the high DPI sensor offers.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: RamaBot on Tue, 13 December 2011, 17:46:42
Quote from: thrasymedes;469781
I've been using the MS Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a as my primary mouse for probably a decade (along with various other mice that I've never liked nearly as much).

I just received a new Steelseries Xai and I'm loving it - almost identical dimensions and I like the optionality that the high DPI sensor offers.

Good for you.
I came through the same route. I used a ms Imtellimouse Optical 1.1 for years. Then I tried a few other mice but just could not settle with them.
Then I found the Xai and felt at home with it right away.
Whack your poll rate up to 1000 for super crisp responsiveness. And make use of the Higher DPI. For games you really can tell the difference.
I would recommend the Steelseries Qck mouse pad too. The Xai floats over it. A perfect pairing.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: DalaiLameR on Tue, 13 December 2011, 17:53:22
I'm really looking forward to the new steelseries mice (kinzu v2 pro and kana)
looks like they have done a pretty good job with them (omron switches, great ambidextrous shape, teflon feet, etc)
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Post by: thrasymedes on Tue, 13 December 2011, 18:02:39
Quote from: RamaBot;470059
Good for you.
I came through the same route. I used a ms Imtellimouse Optical 1.1 for years. Then I tried a few other mice but just could not settle with them.
Then I found the Xai and felt at home with it right away.
Whack your poll rate up to 1000 for super crisp responsiveness. And make use of the Higher DPI. For games you really can tell the difference.
I would recommend the Steelseries Qck mouse pad too. The Xai floats over it. A perfect pairing.

Looks like the poll rate is on 1000 by default. I turned the DPI up to 4000. Any other tips for this thing?

For mousepads, was looking at the Qck but I like the reviews I've been reading of the Japanese Artisan mouse pads.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inaneframe on Tue, 13 December 2011, 19:34:50
G700 at max resolution.  When gaming my pinky (wikipedia time!  "pinky" from, via Scottish and Dutch, the proto-indo-european base "penkwe" meaning five, also the root of the words pentagram, pentagon, and pentium) and ring fingers stay in the same spot, they act kind of like anchors on a handboat.

Even with my 30" monitor, I am able to reach all corners of the desktop and spin around 360˚ in-game and aim perfectly well with my penkwe and ring staying in one spot.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 14 December 2011, 00:56:03
Quote from: inaneframe;470116
G700 at max resolution.  When gaming my pinky (wikipedia time!  "pinky" from, via Scottish and Dutch, the proto-indo-european base "penkwe" meaning five, also the root of the words pentagram, pentagon, and pentium) and ring fingers stay in the same spot, they act kind of like anchors on a handboat.

Even with my 30" monitor, I am able to reach all corners of the desktop and spin around 360˚ in-game and aim perfectly well with my penkwe and ring staying in one spot.
+1 for the G700

My standard desktop resolutions were 600 1100 1600 which just got bumped to 600 1600 2600 and man that 2600 is nice for general stuff and didnt even take me that long to get used to. my gaming DPI will forever stay at 400 1600 as that is what i have been playing on since the G5 released.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: RamaBot on Wed, 14 December 2011, 03:48:27
Quote from: thrasymedes;470065
Looks like the poll rate is on 1000 by default. I turned the DPI up to 4000. Any other tips for this thing?

For mousepads, was looking at the Qck but I like the reviews I've been reading of the Japanese Artisan mouse pads.


A tip. If you are gaming turn all of the exactsense and exactaim stuff down to zero and make sure you have acceleration off in windows. This will make your gaming more accurate.Though it may take a day for you to get used t if you are used to prediction and acceleration.

If you get an Artisan pad please let us know what you think.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: The Ricker on Wed, 14 December 2011, 10:57:55
My favorite is the G5. I think I have the second revision? It's got two buttons on the side and a blue crackle finish. I've used an MX518 and a Razer Death-Adder and I liked them, but not as much as the G5.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 14 December 2011, 11:03:50
Quote from: The Ricker;470568
My favorite is the G5. I think I have the second revision? It's got two buttons on the side and a blue crackle finish. I've used an MX518 and a Razer Death-Adder and I liked them, but not as much as the G5.
have you tried the G500?
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: keyboardnoob on Wed, 14 December 2011, 12:30:06
mx 518 is king
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Post by: The Ricker on Wed, 14 December 2011, 13:59:05
Quote from: TheProfosist;470570
have you tried the G500?

I've looked at it, but I haven't taken the time to try it yet. Is it quite a bit better than the G5?
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 14 December 2011, 14:19:04
Quote from: The Ricker;470708
I've looked at it, but I haven't taken the time to try it yet. Is it quite a bit better than the G5?
I would say yes I like the slight design change and the additional features.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: pitashen on Wed, 14 December 2011, 23:28:05
as far as mouse is concerned, G1 1000dpi ver. is my fav. good size for me to do claw grip.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Orgasma on Thu, 15 December 2011, 00:09:18
I'm currently using the Logitech Mx518, great mouse. I feel like i need to get a "newer" mouse however, this one has been through hell. Has anyone used the Razer Mamba 2012? How's the tracking of it? For someone who perfer's the claw grip, what are some good choices for me to look into, that are smooth and have great tracking.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: pitashen on Thu, 15 December 2011, 00:41:19
Quote from: Orgasma;471119
I'm currently using the Logitech Mx518, great mouse. I feel like i need to get a "newer" mouse however, this one has been through hell. Has anyone used the Razer Mamba 2012? How's the tracking of it? For someone who perfer's the claw grip, what are some good choices for me to look into, that are smooth and have great tracking.

G400 would be a pretty good replacement of MX518 shape wise
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inaneframe on Thu, 15 December 2011, 05:04:16
Quote from: Wat;468572
G500


Quote from: inaneframe;470116
G700


Quote from: TheProfosist;470314
+1 for the G700


Quote from: The Ricker;470568
My favorite is the G5.


Quote from: TheProfosist;470570
have you tried the G500?


Quote from: keyboardnoob;470621
mx 518 is king


Quote from: The Ricker;470708
Is it quite a bit better than the G5?


Quote from: pitashen;471145
G400 would be a pretty good replacement of MX518 shape wise


We accept you one of us, gooble gobble gooble gobble, one of us one of us:

[video=youtube;bBXyB7niEc0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBXyB7niEc0[/video]
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inaneframe on Thu, 15 December 2011, 05:08:37
Quote from: Wat;468572
G500


Quote from: inaneframe;470116
G700


Quote from: TheProfosist;470314
+1 for the G700


Quote from: The Ricker;470568
My favorite is the G5.


Quote from: TheProfosist;470570
have you tried the G500?


Quote from: keyboardnoob;470621
mx 518 is king


Quote from: The Ricker;470708
Is it quite a bit better than the G5?


Quote from: pitashen;471145
G400 would be a pretty good replacement of MX518 shape wise


We accept you one of us, gooble gobble, gooble gobble, one of us, one of us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR4Iwx5G_k0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR4Iwx5G_k0)
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wmtx on Thu, 22 December 2011, 03:11:40
I've been using the Microsoft Explorer Touch Mouse for about a month now and am happy with it. Could probably become my new favourite. I chose to try it because it has a touch strip instead of a wheel which was a prerequisite since over the years I broke the wheels of all cheap and expensive Logitech and Microsoft mice I had. I guess I'm scrolling too much.

Anyway, after getting used to it for a couple of days (under Linux) I like the touch strip, the resolution of the BlueTrack (cannot say how high though) and am still curious how long the batteries last. Stowing the receiver with the mouse does not always work (only locks correctly after a couple of tries) but since I usually have it plugged in it's not too big of an issue.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Internetlad on Thu, 22 December 2011, 15:28:27
Quote from: The Ricker;470708
I've looked at it, but I haven't taken the time to try it yet. Is it quite a bit better than the G5?

In my experience, not so much. Very similar.

Had a G5, owned forever, the cord got frayed, so I bought another G5, it's cord got frayed, so I got a G500. It's cord got frayed after 1 year so I said **** it and bought a DeathAdder and it's been going strong for ~3 months now.

TBH I think i may prefer the lightness of the deathadder to the bulk of the G's. The G's were great mice, but i'd run the cord up over the desk with lots of slack so it wouldn't drag and affect my FPS leet hax0r aim. The deathadder is so light it doesn't seem to matter. The obvious flaw in the way the cord is run that caused 3 mice and a G15 keyboard to fail kind of turned me off to logitech (this was over a 4-5 year span, honestly.)

TBH I think about the Deathadder less while using it, which IMO makes it the better mouse.


Quote from: inaneframe;471223
We accept you one of us, gooble gobble, gooble gobble, one of us, one of us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR4Iwx5G_k0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR4Iwx5G_k0)

The sad thing is i knew what this was referencing without watching the youtube link. Lawds.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Thu, 22 December 2011, 18:18:43
Ive have never had a barided cable fray on any mouse including logitch. Are all of you low dpi gamers?
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Post by: iScrtAznMan on Fri, 23 December 2011, 20:57:27
Mines the Mionix Naos 5000. got it on newegg for a discount. I love the way it fits to my hand, no more pinky drag =). Although I wish it was a little bigger, cant exactly palm it like i used to do on my Razer Abyssus. I like light mice. Although the macro software doesn't exactly work with mouse clicks >.> a slight letdown.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inaneframe on Sun, 25 December 2011, 11:54:07
Quote from: TheProfosist;476258
Ive have never had a barided cable fray on any mouse including logitch. Are all of you low dpi gamers?


Not so sure one needs to be a "low dpi" gamer to fray a braided cable.  The most likely place for a cable to fray would be on the edge of a desk.

Personally, I don't usually have a cable attached to my 5700dpi set mouse, but when I do it's when I'm not gaming and just charging it.

I do know that when my cursor can cross my 2560x1600 desktop at less than an inch movement in my hand, we are coming close to the max we can expect out of the typical human hand, the nerves involved, etc. . . . but then again, my grandfather was a clocksmith and could work on some pretty intricate stuff. . . I just think there is a break off point where when you start heading down too high of a sensitivity, there is a negative impact to the ability to aim.  We may have already crossed I don't know and I think it is an interesting question.

Lastly, let me just say, high dpi != high sensitivity.  Someone could have extreme dpi set on their mouse but then lower the sensitivity as far as they can.  In many ways, this would make sense for someone to do who is looking for extreme accuracy.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 25 December 2011, 16:23:59
Quote from: inaneframe;477545
Not so sure one needs to be a "low dpi" gamer to fray a braided cable.  The most likely place for a cable to fray would be on the edge of a desk.

Personally, I don't usually have a cable attached to my 5700dpi set mouse, but when I do it's when I'm not gaming and just charging it.

I do know that when my cursor can cross my 2560x1600 desktop at less than an inch movement in my hand, we are coming close to the max we can expect out of the typical human hand, the nerves involved, etc. . . . but then again, my grandfather was a clocksmith and could work on some pretty intricate stuff. . . I just think there is a break off point where when you start heading down too high of a sensitivity, there is a negative impact to the ability to aim.  We may have already crossed I don't know and I think it is an interesting question.

Lastly, let me just say, high dpi != high sensitivity.  Someone could have extreme dpi set on their mouse but then lower the sensitivity as far as they can.  In many ways, this would make sense for someone to do who is looking for extreme accuracy.

I have used a cord holder from steelseries (http://tinyurl.com/cqn7jhw) since I had my Ikari Laser so i forgot about it rubbing on the back of the desk. Would you happen to have a G700 i just ask as is it one of the few mice with that resolution that is cordless. I think best is to have a 1to1 windows cursor setting and controlling cursor speed using the dpi of the mouse.
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Post by: inaneframe on Mon, 26 December 2011, 04:50:45
Quote from: TheProfosist;477615
I think best is to have a 1to1 windows cursor setting and controlling cursor speed using the dpi of the mouse.


Yeah see, that is way too slow for me with my g700 even at 5700dpi!
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 26 December 2011, 08:32:58
Quote from: inaneframe;477846
Yeah see, that is way too slow for me with my g700 even at 5700dpi!

You sure to have it set to 1to1? (Notch 6 in windows and turn of accel) because thats a bit crazy to hear you say that as even after hours of trying i cant do a single thing at that dpi, though was stuch at 1600 for years finally moved up to 2600 for desktop use which is easily enough controllable for general stuff.
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Post by: inaneframe on Mon, 26 December 2011, 17:11:16
Quote from: TheProfosist;477867
You sure to have it set to 1to1? (Notch 6 in windows and turn of accel) because thats a bit crazy to hear you say that as even after hours of trying i cant do a single thing at that dpi, though was stuch at 1600 for years finally moved up to 2600 for desktop use which is easily enough controllable for general stuff.


Notch 7 5700dpi (accel off).  I was on 1600-2000dpi back around 2005.

To put it another way. . . my wrist does not move when I'm browsing the internet with my mouse.  My hand pivots ever so slightly on my wrist.  I have to clean off any grit about twice a day from just regular build up of dust etc because I can tell.  It gets too gritty for me.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: jellowiggler on Tue, 27 December 2011, 10:07:33
Oh boy. Very punny.

I use a mx518. If I had to get a new mouse I'd get a g400, the new name for the same mouse.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Seltox on Thu, 29 December 2011, 06:23:45
I've had a Razer Copperhead for many years.  I actually like the mouse, but the build quality is rubbish and has convinced my never to buy a Razer product again.  (Died about 3 months before warranty ended, and the warranty turn around time was >4 months, and they even sent back the wrong colour mouse - I had one with blue lights, got a green in return.  Didn't really bother me though :P).

The new one broke about 2 months after I got it, but I figured I wasn't going to put up with the warranty stuff again and took it apart to fix myself - has been fine ever since.

I'm currently looking at buying a new mouse though.. But considering the Copperhead is the only decent mouse i've ever owned, i'll have to say it's my favourite so far :P  Don't use any of it's features anymore.. It's just plugged in with Windows drivers, no Razer ones.  Haha, still works a treat though.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: adrien239 on Thu, 29 December 2011, 07:08:17
Microsoft Track ball explorer for 15 years with programmations for each app used (I've 2 others in rescue)


(http://www.shareware-beach.com/photos/J1282748.jpg)
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Post by: iBro on Thu, 29 December 2011, 16:49:08
I guess I'll chime into this conversation.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/zn1xu0.png)

The G9X is really the first serious mouse I have owned, but what's not to love about this mouse? It's very good looking, performs well, and doesn't have six thousand extra buttons on it that just get in the way.
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Post by: limmy on Sat, 07 January 2012, 07:54:55
I use Razer Mamba and Logitech G700. I replaced the switches in the both mice with Omron Japan switches D2F-01F (the existing switches are from the same company but made in China with different model number D2FC-F-7N). After the mods the switches feel lighter and more springier, thus puts less stress on my fingers.

The mod article is in Korean, but I think pictures pretty much tell what needs to be done.
Razer Mamba mod - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/1152916
Logitech G700 mod - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/2857366

Also, I sometimes use Kensington Expert Mouse and Slimblade Trackball. When I use them it is usually on the left side of my mini keyboard.
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Post by: cable on Sat, 07 January 2012, 10:33:30
The QPAD 5K. But I prefer the look of the white version.

(http://i.imgur.com/2Csp1.jpg)
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Post by: nhwhaup on Sat, 07 January 2012, 12:26:17
I have tried a few mice in years past and for some reason really, really like the Microsoft 4000.  It is the cheap one that is always on sale on an end display rack in about 25 different colors and designs.  I have three of them and one of the three is the best - no noise whatsoever on the click.  Just a tiny bump feeling.  Fits well to the hand, responsive and just super quiet.  Love that mouse.
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Post by: cheebs on Sat, 07 January 2012, 20:39:16
Razer Imperator has served me most dilligently, but I only use it for gaming.  

In all other cases I use Apple Magic Trackpad because I value gestures for efficiency over precision.
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Post by: Henry Allen Venture on Sun, 08 January 2012, 18:31:36
Xai and DeathAdder 3500 all the way. Absolutely fantastic mice.

Using a SideWinder X5 with my laptop. Another great mouse, but not quite on par with the first two.
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Post by: ignition on Sun, 08 January 2012, 21:34:15
a4tech 710bh. the recent optical mice of more popular brands have yet to give me a good enough reason to upgrade.
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Post by: boost on Sun, 08 January 2012, 21:47:29
G700

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Post by: ClosedBSD on Mon, 09 January 2012, 08:01:58
At my last job they gave us all  Logitech scissor switch keyboards and HP Voodoo DNA gaming mice


(http://cdn.ubergizmo.com/photos/2008/9/hp-voodoo-dna.jpg)

Wasn't a huge fan of the keyboard but fell in love with the mouse so much that I bought one myself. It doesn't put strain on my hands the way the smaller Logitech gaming mice I've owned has, and seems to be a better fit for my larger hands.

Runner up would have to be the Logitech trackman wheel, which is super comfortable and doesn't require my to move my wrists.

(http://xahlee.org/kbd/im/tb/Logitech_Trackman_Wheel_tmw440.jpg)

I generally go out of my way to install and use tiling window managers, tiling plugins or just memorizing or adding as many keybindings as I can so I rarely have to touch the mouse
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Post by: PalaDan on Wed, 11 January 2012, 18:51:28
Razer Deathadder and Logitech G500 are my favs.
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Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 11 January 2012, 19:02:28
Am I the only one still using my Mx518?



I've had it for ages
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Post by: bokan on Wed, 11 January 2012, 21:08:14
razer copperhead, steelseries xai a close second
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Post by: Aarontu on Thu, 12 January 2012, 09:19:18
Still using (and loving) my 5 year old MX518.
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Post by: Anyguy4321 on Fri, 13 January 2012, 15:07:08
I have a Razer Abyssus (Starcraft II), G700 (Everyday Use), and G400 (Replaced my MX518 on my secondary PC).  Abyssus is the only mouse that doesn't cramp my hand when I have high APM for SC 2.  I wish I could stick to the G400 but palm gripping cramps my hand after a lot of clicking.  G700 is fantastic for everyday use and for MMO's.  It is fairly heavy but the ergonomics are pretty amazing and it uses the 5700 DPI avago sensor that, while not perfect, is probably the best of the high-DPI sensors.  G400 is still my gaming mouse a lot of times, the mx518 was perfect and the G400 improves on it a bit by being lighter.

Might get a G9x (sold it for a G700 last year) again as it has the same sensor as the G700 without the weight.
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Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 13 January 2012, 15:45:08
Quote from: cable;485365
The QPAD 5K. But I prefer the look of the white version.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2Csp1.jpg)

This looks like a good mouse for big hands...might have to pick one up...
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Post by: mmmty on Fri, 13 January 2012, 16:22:55
People with little hands can get this new Logitech mouse.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/9472

(http://www.logitech.com/assets/42066/4/ces-2012.png)
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Post by: YiL on Fri, 13 January 2012, 16:44:03
Looking for a new mouse for my filco ninja.

Thinking about the corsair M60 any other suggestions?

Gr.
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Post by: tsangan on Fri, 13 January 2012, 16:44:57
Been using a death adder for the last 5-6 years, switched over to the sensei recently and I'm liking it a lot more mainly because I hated the rubbery coating on the death adder, but I did prefer the non-ambidextrous profile on it compared to the sensei
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Post by: rhizo on Fri, 13 January 2012, 18:14:26
Definatly the intellimouse explorer 3.0!
(http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=intellimouse+explorer+3&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=1280&bih=685&tbm=isch&tbnid=GyCxf4ShtaeaWM:&imgrefurl=http://geekhack.org/showthread.php%3F12133-Intelli-Mouse-Explorer-3-0&docid=Rb-x7lApYgTHfM&imgurl=http://www.surface1030.de/img/p/07099_o.jpg&w=600&h=434&ei=ksgQT8uyO8H38QOpo8X5Aw&zoom=1)
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Post by: Bullveyr on Sat, 14 January 2012, 14:03:30
Quote from: keyboardlover;489782
This looks like a good mouse for big hands...might have to pick one up...
Feels very cheap and the shape is very restrictive, the glossy coating gets very sticky but not veryone will like that feeling.
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Post by: jayeph on Thu, 19 January 2012, 04:35:23
where can i find that white qpad 5k for sale in the states?
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Post by: TheProfosist on Fri, 20 January 2012, 01:19:11
Id what i dobknow is my n gen shipped from illinois
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Post by: Bullveyr on Fri, 20 January 2012, 02:24:08
Quote from: jayeph;493935
where can i find that white qpad 5k for sale in the states?
It's not just a white 5K, it's an OM-75 (different sensor: A3060/3080)
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Post by: Roguemaster8 on Fri, 20 January 2012, 03:47:23
Using a Mionix 3200 myself. Very ergonomic, and it looks rather intimidating too.
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Post by: keyboardnoob on Fri, 20 January 2012, 07:33:05
mx518 and Xai, deathadders break too easily.
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Post by: Vizaari on Fri, 20 January 2012, 14:37:38
The deathadder, same egonomic grip as the IE 3.0 and WMO, but a much better sensor!
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Post by: Thion on Fri, 20 January 2012, 14:51:51
Used to love my G5r. Its pretty much done after 4 years of punishment, so i'm using my replacement MX518 now, but this one has a very high pitched tone that gives me a headache (literally, i have to wear headphones to use it).

Now i'll give the claw/palm grip hybrids (pinkie/ringfinger rest) a try because i kinda like the feeling (and to reduce strain since i log long hours on a PC): ikari, spawn, naga.
I'll also try a G9x and a DA on the claw side... keyboardnoob, do you know from personal experience that the DA's break often, or is it a well known fact i should be aware of?
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Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 21 January 2012, 23:19:29
I'll be picking up a G500 soon.  I like the adjustable weight and dual scroll wheel modes.
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Post by: TopazPie on Sat, 21 January 2012, 23:31:21
Quote from: PalaDan;488251
Razer Deathadder and Logitech G500 are my favs.

Those are my picks too. Nice username by the way.
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Post by: HeavyArms on Sun, 22 January 2012, 01:06:42
Razer got one thing right when the made the abyssus.
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Post by: Krunchy on Sun, 22 January 2012, 01:19:33
I managed to get a good deal on the Logitech G9 a couple of years back.  No regrets.  The changeable grips, adjustable weights, and durability of the mouse and cable have made this the best non-trackball mouse I've ever used.  Had a bad experience with a Razer Copperhead in the past, though, so I would suggest going for a Logitech over a Razer in almost all cases, although I hear some of their newest mice are quite good, but I couldn't say for certain.
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Post by: Gin on Mon, 23 January 2012, 10:51:32
The deathadders, Microsoft IME, and Microsoft IMO.

They all have flawless sensors. I play a lot of fps.
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Post by: trax on Mon, 23 January 2012, 11:14:12
Qpad 5k.
Got 1 at home and 1 at work.
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Post by: chel- on Mon, 23 January 2012, 16:23:26
Im using a g9 right now and its pretty nice. I prefer the mx518 but the click sound it makes irritates me and I like the scrollwheel of the g9 better.
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Post by: FKSSR on Fri, 10 February 2012, 07:57:13
I just bought a Razer Deathadder to give that a try.  I've had a G9 for about 3 years, and it has my favorite mouse for general use and gaming.  I also bought a G9X because of that, but I've just heard so many positive things about the Deathadder.  I bought a R.A.T. 7, but I couldn't get used to it due to the size.
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Post by: mekkanic on Fri, 10 February 2012, 21:19:51
I'd have to say that my Deathadder is my fave for gaming.  I own G500, G9x, Deathadder, SS ikari, and MS Intellimouse.

The device that I use at work is microsoft trackball explorer optical.  My favorite to use while I'm working.
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Post by: boli on Sat, 11 February 2012, 05:02:47
The mouse I currently use on my desktop computer at home is my current favorite: Logitech G9x.

I have or had various Razer mice (from the very old Boomslang 2000 up to more recent Mamba, Lachesis, Naga etc), various Logitech mice (current: G700 at work, Performance MX on TV computer near bed, M570 trackball on Projector computer in living room), Roccat Kone 1 and

Since I've been using Razer mice for so long I've grown to like their shapes and coating a lot, however these days I must have a tiltable scroll wheel, which is why I'm not using a Razer mouse anymore. :-/
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Post by: boredgunner on Sun, 12 February 2012, 15:40:42
The Cooler Master Storm Inferno is nearly perfect for me so it gets my vote.  I'd recommend most of their mice though, definitely the best I've used.
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Post by: CaiSter21 on Sun, 12 February 2012, 17:40:21
logitech mx518 FTW!
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Post by: evolveS on Sun, 12 February 2012, 20:50:03
My daily driver is a G400, which replaced a 1st Generation G5.
For SC I like my Logitech Optical Mini.
My next mouse will definitely be an IME 3.0.
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Post by: keyboardnoob on Sun, 12 February 2012, 21:03:17
Quote from: evolveS;512884
My daily driver is a G400, which replaced a 1st Generation G5.
For SC I like my Logitech Optical Mini.
My next mouse will definitely be an IME 3.0.

G400 is replacing the mx518, but I agree it's a great mouse.
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Post by: evolveS on Sun, 12 February 2012, 21:52:56
Yeah I've never had the pleasure of trying an MX518, but the price was right on the G400 at the time. No regrets here!
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Post by: CaiSter21 on Mon, 13 February 2012, 01:12:48
my mx518 from 2006 is still alive and kicking
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Post by: keyboardnoob on Mon, 13 February 2012, 01:39:16
Quote from: evolveS;512919
Yeah I've never had the pleasure of trying an MX518, but the price was right on the G400 at the time. No regrets here!

I haven't tried the g400, but from what I've heard it's as good as the 518. Also, with Logitech customer support, what more can you ask ? ;p
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Post by: sunyoyo on Mon, 13 February 2012, 01:59:25
lktown:car mouse
Logitech mouse
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Post by: FKSSR on Mon, 13 February 2012, 09:18:04
Quote from: boredgunner;512680
The Cooler Master Storm Inferno is nearly perfect for me so it gets my vote.  I'd recommend most of their mice though, definitely the best I've used.

I am interested in trying that one, but I like my pinky to drag on the mouse pad for more control, and it looks like the Storm has a pinky rest.

Quote from: YiL;489830
Looking for a new mouse for my filco ninja.

Thinking about the corsair M60 any other suggestions?

Gr.

I just bought a Corsair M60, but I haven't received it yet.  I almost ordered a Logitech G9X, because I like my G9, but I decided to buy a M60 and Razer Deathadder instead - to try something different and see if I can find a mouse that I like as much as the G9 but is a little more comfortable.

Quote from: tsangan;489831
Been using a death adder for the last 5-6 years, switched over to the sensei recently and I'm liking it a lot more mainly because I hated the rubbery coating on the death adder, but I did prefer the non-ambidextrous profile on it compared to the sensei

How do you feel the Sensei tracks?  I know a lot of people here say they haven't had tracking problems, but the data really seems clear that the sensei adds some positive acceleration that causes many gamers (including myself) instantly veto it.

I just bought a Deathadder Black due to all the positive reviews.  Does that have the same coating you hated?
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Post by: rindorbrot on Mon, 13 February 2012, 13:57:51
Zowie AM-GS for me!
Best mouse I ever had.
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Post by: lorem3k on Mon, 13 February 2012, 21:40:04
Logitech LX8

Mine's been going strong for about 4 years, a couple of months ago I thought it finally broke but I just took a look at it today and it was just a bigass clump of dust blocking the sensor. I like how it has one shoulder button on each side (one for thumb, other one I hit with the side of my ring finger) instead of both being on the thumb side, I can't think of any other mice that have the buttons like that.
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Post by: Thion on Tue, 14 February 2012, 04:09:27
Got the Spawn for now. really nice mouse, good grip, firmware and software(non-customizable dpi a bit of a drag), but for someone with large hands such as mine probably no real palm/claw hybrid, because its too small. i'll get the DA and the Ikari next, to see if i like the palm grip.
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Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 15 February 2012, 08:04:56
Logitech Performance MX for daily use and Cyborg R.A.T 7 for gaming.
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Post by: ryuhyoko on Wed, 15 February 2012, 18:02:43
Steelseries ikari for daily/gaming use.  MX 518 on the go.
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Post by: noGG on Thu, 16 February 2012, 07:47:40
Quote from: rindorbrot;513374
Zowie AM-GS for me!
Best mouse I ever had.
Yes! Another Zowie user! Gotta second this. As a competitive RTS/FPS gamer, I gotta say the AM-GS is possibly the best mouse I've ever used.
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Post by: FKSSR on Thu, 16 February 2012, 13:45:44
Quote from: noGG;515982
Yes! Another Zowie user! Gotta second this. As a competitive RTS/FPS gamer, I gotta say the AM-GS is possibly the best mouse I've ever used.

I've been looking at those mice.  They seem like the answer to anyone who wants a Sensei but doesn't want to deal with the positive acceleration.
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Post by: noGG on Thu, 16 February 2012, 14:17:27
Quote from: FKSSR;516243
I've been looking at those mice.  They seem like the answer to anyone who wants a Sensei but doesn't want to deal with the positive acceleration.
I wouldn't say that. It's not as customizable as the Sensei. Only runs 125/500/1000 mHz polling rate and 450/1150/2300 dpi. Everything else about it is good though. LOD is as low as advertised, tracking is superb, and the build quality is excellent. Oh, and it's all hardware driven so you don't run the risk of software ****ing up the mouse.
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Post by: FKSSR on Thu, 16 February 2012, 14:29:25
Quote from: noGG;516270
I wouldn't say that. It's not as customizable as the Sensei. Only runs 125/500/1000 mHz polling rate and 450/1150/2300 dpi. Everything else about it is good though. LOD is as low as advertised, tracking is superb, and the build quality is excellent. Oh, and it's all hardware driven so you don't run the risk of software ****ing up the mouse.

Good point.  For me, though, most of the options the Sensei has are overkill.  Some users may use all of it, but I wouldn't.  My main concerns are having enough buttons, really want DPI buttons, comfort of the mouse for my fingertip/claw style, accuracy/tracking, decent LOD (not a super big deal since I don't actually lift much, but it can't be bad like Philips Twin Eye Lasers), and none to negligent positive acceleration option.

So, if the AM-GS fits all of those, I would definitely use it as my mouse of choice.  Everything except the comfort/fit can be found online, so I'll be doing more research.
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Post by: noGG on Thu, 16 February 2012, 14:47:26
If DPI buttons are a concern, just wanted to let you know the AM-GS has only 1 dpi button and it's on the bottom of the mouse. And only one set of side buttons can be active at a time, can't have both left and right sides activated. =/ I use what I'd call a "lazy claw" grip style and the AM-GS does feel comfortable, though not as comfortable as my Steelseries Kana (it's slightly smaller than the Kana). The buttons have been accidentally pressed when lifting the mouse, but I do have long, thin hands. I'd say depending on your hand size, the AM-GS would feel super comfortable. As for the other concerns (LOD, accuracy, accel), I can confidently say the AM-GS fits all of those.
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Post by: Inf3rn0_44 on Thu, 16 February 2012, 14:55:06
Quote from: noGG;516302
If DPI buttons are a concern, just wanted to let you know the AM-GS has only 1 dpi button and it's on the bottom of the mouse. And only one set of side buttons can be active at a time, can't have both left and right sides activated. =/ I use what I'd call a "lazy claw" grip style and the AM-GS does feel comfortable, though not as comfortable as my Steelseries Kana (it's slightly smaller than the Kana). The buttons have been accidentally pressed when lifting the mouse, but I do have long, thin hands. I'd say depending on your hand size, the AM-GS would feel super comfortable. As for the other concerns (LOD, accuracy, accel), I can confidently say the AM-GS fits all of those.

I have been looking at the AM for quite a while, I might pick it up in the future. I am a little confused by this, GS = Glossy Sides... = Slippery?
Why not just get the regular AM?
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Post by: noGG on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:06:32
They actually aren't that slippery. If anything, I've read reviews saying the AM is more slippery. I guess it depends on how much your palms sweat.
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Post by: sawedust on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:40:43
Not a lot of love for the CM Storm Spawn after reading through the thread, just a little here and there, but not enough!

(http://img.tapatalk.com/465f46b7-75db-7087.jpg)

Bought this little guy after a lot of recommendations as a great claw grip mouse with a pretty good sesnor. Decided to pair it with an Artisan Hien mousepad.

I love the overall feel of the mouse, best parts being the rubberized grip on the thumb side and the rest of the ring finger. Using any other mouse feels awkward now days.

FW32 seems to be the best combination for me. Lift-off distance is greatly improved over the stock firmware; any movement doesn't register if the mouse isn't touching the pad.

It's a great improvement over the Razer Deathadder that I used to have. Since both mice have the same DPI, it was a quick adjustment after getting used to the new form factor.

Sent via ADR6400L. Please excuse the spelling, punctuation, and brevity.
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Post by: FKSSR on Thu, 16 February 2012, 18:11:38
I need to try the Spawn...  I'm still worried I won't like that shelf on the right-side, but I guess I won't know until I try it.
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Post by: silent-circuit on Thu, 16 February 2012, 18:32:38
I love my Lachesis but I keep having this feeling like I'm missing out, with new sensors on the market and such. I picked up a Mamba (original version, not 2012) used a little while back and I have to say I am not thrilled with it. Can't get used to it after the Lachesis, so it will probably go up for sale again soon. Maybe I'll pick up a CM Storm? People seem to be happy with those.
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Post by: sawedust on Thu, 16 February 2012, 19:40:09
Quote from: FKSSR;516490
I need to try the Spawn...  I'm still worried I won't like that shelf on the right-side, but I guess I won't know until I try it.

I was skeptical of the  finger rest as well since my previous mice didn't have it, but now I find it difficult to use other mice that don't have the rest.

As posted in this thread, some people love the finger rest and others dislike the Spawn for that very reason. It comes down to your personal experience. For me, it was overwhelmingly positive and I would not hesitate to recommend this mouse to anyone looking for a great claw grip mouse.

Sent via ADR6400L. Please excuse the spelling, punctuation, and brevity.
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Post by: noGG on Thu, 16 February 2012, 20:49:29
I'll put in a recommendation for the Spawn as well simply based off it's price and the fact that it uses the same sensor as the Zowie AM (Avagos ADNS-3090, probably the best optical mouse sensor available commercially). Haven't tried it yet just because I know for a fact that it's too small for me (the Steelseries Kana, which is only a few mm longer than my Zowie AM-GS, is the perfect size for me) and I've done a bit of research on the mouse. Took me a week of research on ADNS-3090 mice to settle on the AM-GS. :P

Anyway, the problems with the Spawn are negligible for the average gamer and based on it's size and sensor, I'd say it's the perfect claw grip mouse. I saw a deal for it for $14.99 after mail-in rebate but I can't remember specifically where I saw it. Anyone wanna provide a link for those interested?
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Post by: KylJoy on Thu, 16 February 2012, 21:43:09
Logitech G5
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Post by: silent-circuit on Thu, 16 February 2012, 22:56:59
Just bought a CM Storm Xornet (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Xornet-Gaming-SGM-2001-BLON1/dp/B005TEPB74/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329454417&sr=8-1) for $31 shipped ($27 + $4 for 1 day shipping cause I'm impatient. ;)) $21 AR. So $27 shipped $17 AR for those of you with Prime and a bit more patience, if you care to try out something new for dirt cheap.

If I like it well enough it may replace my trusty Lachesis.... though the pulsating white Razer logo is pretty badass, and it's actually still a very nice mouse. <3 the Lachesis. The Mamba not so much... just can't get used to the differences between the two. We'll see with this new one.
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Post by: Echofoot on Thu, 16 February 2012, 23:43:28
Have a Logitech mx518 that i bought back in 2006, absolutely love it and it is still chuggin along.
Recently purchased the RAT7, feels solid in my hands, love the form and profile, but Celine Dion performs better than this thing. Had some issues with the sensor just outright not working. Driver updates, rollbacks, bought a different mouse pad, voodoo hoodoo, you name it, I tried it. Overall not impressed with my experience with this brand, returning it and gunna try either the g400 or g500.

I looked into getting another mx518 but they are freakn $85, while the g400 is $35 and the g500 is somewhere close to $55
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Post by: Forin on Fri, 17 February 2012, 03:20:25
I had:
-logitech wingman
-logitech double optical (i don't remember precise name, but something like this)
-ms 3.0
-ms 1.1
-razer diamondback (first diamondback)
-ms sidewinder
-ms sidewinder x8
-deathadder 3500dpi
-deathadder 1800dpi

My favorite:
-razer diamondback (first diamondback)
-deathadder 1800dpi
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Post by: Tricks on Fri, 17 February 2012, 18:27:22
ha, MX510 for working, MX518 for playing, had both for 5+ years I guess :)

looking into a G400 and/or a Sensei
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Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 17 February 2012, 23:42:47
I got a Rollermouse recently at work.  Absolutely loving it.
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Post by: demik on Sat, 18 February 2012, 00:48:54
huge fan of the G9x, but recently ive been using a Deathadder 3.5 which I absolutely love also.

Only thing that bothers me is the stupid glowing scroll wheel and logo. i know i can turn it off but the scroll wheel is ugly lol. looking to get a black edition now.
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Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 18 February 2012, 01:06:12
I also have a deathadder. Needed a nice lefty mouse. Its great I love it. And I actually like the lights.

Sent from my Transformer TF101
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Post by: defstar on Sat, 18 February 2012, 02:17:28
I've had an MX500 and MX518. They were both superb. The MX518 died after ... lets just say an intense moment in an FPS game :P and I'm still using the mx500 at work now after 7 years, its still going strong. Even the scroll wheel is showing minimal signs of wear despite almost the entire paint job looking faded :)

At home I use the Deathadder, and I'm not at all interested in changing that.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: silent-circuit on Sun, 19 February 2012, 14:24:39
Ordered an Xornet a few days ago, it's eh so far. Very small, very light, tracks well but feels cheap in the hand. Ordered a Spawn today since they went on sale again at Amazon ($30 shipped $20 AR). The Xornet is probably going back (yay Amazon return policy) and the Spawn will follow it a few days after if it doesn't prove to be better built.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: FKSSR on Sun, 19 February 2012, 15:43:35
Quote from: noGG;516602
I'll put in a recommendation for the Spawn as well simply based off it's price and the fact that it uses the same sensor as the Zowie AM (Avagos ADNS-3090, probably the best optical mouse sensor available commercially). Haven't tried it yet just because I know for a fact that it's too small for me (the Steelseries Kana, which is only a few mm longer than my Zowie AM-GS, is the perfect size for me) and I've done a bit of research on the mouse. Took me a week of research on ADNS-3090 mice to settle on the AM-GS. :P

Anyway, the problems with the Spawn are negligible for the average gamer and based on it's size and sensor, I'd say it's the perfect claw grip mouse. I saw a deal for it for $14.99 after mail-in rebate but I can't remember specifically where I saw it. Anyone wanna provide a link for those interested?

I just ordered a Spawn to try it out.  I play with fingertip/claw grip, so the Spawn seems like it could be perfect, but I do find I like a little longer mice, even with my grip style, because it gives some support for my palm.  So, I've been trying to find a mouse that is short enough for my grip but long enough to fit in my hand completely...  Anyway, I'm using a Deathadder Black now, and I'm getting used to it.  Didn't like it at first, but it's growing on me.  Have the Spawn and Corsair M60 heading my way this week.  I also put a Zowie AM on order through Amazon, but it says 1-2 months to ship...  That's okay, though, because I need to try out the other mice and give each a week or so, at least, to get used to them and see how I like them.  After hours of research, the only other mouse I want to try that I haven't ordered is the Tt Esports Theron, but it's not out in the US yet.  So, I'll have to wait on that one.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: silent-circuit on Sun, 19 February 2012, 16:16:30
I think I need to try one of these metal base mice. I don't lift my mouse often and have a strong appreciation for very solidly build peripherals. Maybe the M60 is where my money should have gone.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Ovoxo on Mon, 20 February 2012, 05:22:51
g700.
Only down side is the battery life. But I have 4 extra eneloop batteries that I rotate with.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Gabo on Mon, 20 February 2012, 12:39:43
Microsoft Intelli Explorer 3.0

gosu mouse ;)
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Mikelittoris on Mon, 20 February 2012, 13:39:58
Microsoft Intelli Explorer 3.0 was my first lazer mouse (and therefore my fav).

I've got a Razer deathadder now since the 3.0 got worn down. It's basicly a 3.0 but the back/forward buttons on the side aren't rattling around as much as on the 3.0. The only bad thing about the deathadder is that if I squeeze the shell it sometimes moves slightly; and that causes the mousebuttons to either get stiffer or less stiff, which is very annoying. If it weren't for that I'd have to say that it's better than the MIE 3.0.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: sth on Fri, 24 February 2012, 16:37:37
 :-*
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: xibeca on Fri, 24 February 2012, 17:59:19
I got a steelseries xai for FPS and a razer naga for MMOS.

I'm thinking now about getting the razer naga hex, as I just need those 6 buttons. They also replaced the top left buttons to the middle of the mouse, wich is pretty much comfortable.
But I still think my favorite mouse was a logitech mx 300, wich I used to play cs 1.3 with, or I guess I just kinda miss those days..
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Fri, 02 March 2012, 17:02:41
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Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lorem3k on Sat, 03 March 2012, 22:45:02
My LX8 just died today after 4 years of almost constant use, R.I.P.

Just picked up a G400, it seems pretty comfortable, I guess I'll just have to get used to the back and forward buttons both being on the thumb side.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Inf3rn0_44 on Sun, 04 March 2012, 00:10:18
WMO.
Simple, cheap, reliable, durable, precise, available.
Optical.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Azure Flash on Mon, 05 March 2012, 15:55:38
I added up most of people's favorites so far. Might have skipped some, but this is just to get a general feel for which mice the thread's raving about:

G500 Family: 17
MX Family: 17
Deathadder: 13
G9x: 11
CM Storm Family: 11
Intellimouse Family: 9
Abyssus: 7
Xai: 7
Sensei: 6
WMO: 4
Naga: 3
Mionix 5000: 3
Copperhead: 3
Diamondback: 3
Ikari: 3
Zowie Family: 3
RAT7: 2
QPAD 5K: 2
A4Tech: 2
V7: 2
Rollermouse: 2
LX8: 2
M500 Family: 2

Single mentions: CST Trackball, DT225, Imperator, MS Natura 6000, OCZ Equalizer, R2 Mk III Omnimouse, Salmosa, Spectre, Trackball Explorer, War Mouse

Razer and Logitech seem like the current industry leaders, but Cooler Master and Steelseries are quite popular as well. I think some lesser-known mice are also pretty interesting (Mionix, Zowie, QPAD, A4Tech, V7, etc).

A lot of those preferences are based on personal needs and criterias such as shape, intended use (MMOs, shooters, work), and this list mixes old favorites with the newest technology. All of those mice seem to have some interesting features.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: All The Fire on Tue, 06 March 2012, 06:00:21
Nice work. You can add one more to the G9x for me. Good to see the Mionix is holding some interest too, I'm on the verge of getting one myself but have held off so far for the full palm ergo grip, but I've been using a G400 at work and am getting more comfortable with these big mice. So I'll probably cave for one soon, particular having been so impressed with the Zibal.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: jonnybastard on Thu, 08 March 2012, 05:15:40
I'll fly the RAT 9 flag here, had it about 6 months and it's been great.  My only gripe is the PTE sensor being so sensitive to surfaces and vibrations but having owned a Mamba before this I kinda knew what to expect there, luckily I use a fairly low DPI so it doesn't affect me, but I can see why others would have rage towards it.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Netdewt on Fri, 09 March 2012, 06:55:37
$5 Microsoft Laser mouse. I like my Magic Mouse okay too.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Maarten on Fri, 09 March 2012, 07:21:23
ROCCAT KOVA+ here on a Razer eXactMat pad (i think its the granddaddy on the current Vespula line). Pad has got a plastic liner on both sides with different roughness surfaces, i use the speed side most for my regular working stuff but my nephew prefers the control side when he plays FPS games on my system.... go figure.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Fri, 09 March 2012, 15:59:48
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Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: hcry4 on Fri, 09 March 2012, 16:08:41
Recently switched to a lefty deathadder at work. It makes switching to lefty mousing a lot easier. No need to change any mouse settings. Favorite mouse for going southpaw at the moment. I like to change things up.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dreamingftw on Sat, 10 March 2012, 00:25:31
Been using my g9x without the shell. It's really light to move around playing SC2. I switch between this and my spawn. Both are great mice.
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Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: chel- on Sat, 10 March 2012, 01:07:21
Quote from: dreamingftw;540799
Been using my g9x without the shell. It's really light to move around playing SC2. I switch between this and my spawn. Both are great mice.
.


I did the exact same thing with my g9 for fps games. How does the spawn compare in size & weight to the g9 without the shell?
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: WiL11o6 on Sat, 10 March 2012, 04:22:41
Logitech MX510 hands down. I've been using this same mouse for the past 10 years (or something like that). The ergonomics are perfect for me. I guess the similar ones at the moment are Logitech MX518, G400 with the same ergonomics. I bought a G500 lately because I wanted to try out the newer Logitech mouses and it was terrible. It felt more plasticky, had some rattle, and the ergonomics are better suited for huge hands because it just didn't work out for me. I returned it and kept my MX510. I am sure there is a better mouse or comparable mouse out there, but I'm still very satisfied with this mouse so I have no need to change.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Netdewt on Mon, 12 March 2012, 15:44:45
Quote from: Netdewt;539980
$5 Microsoft Laser mouse. I like my Magic Mouse okay too.


If tablets count, then my Wacom Intuos wins.

Criteria for a good mouse for me are high comfort, cheap, works without a mousepad, no extra buttons (right, left, wheel). Magic mouse loses on 3 of those, but I like the scrolling abilities for general web browsing, etc.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 12 March 2012, 16:21:14
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Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: MyNameIsFinn on Mon, 12 March 2012, 16:42:35
Intellimouse 1.1, :) I just refurbished my old one, looking good.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ryan92084 on Wed, 14 March 2012, 12:17:53
Currently using a DeathAdder when i first got it (coming from a diamondback) I really didn't like it because I was used to clicking the buttons towards the base of the mouse.  It also game me some odd shoulder fatigue.  I've since adapted and like it better than anything else I've tried.  If they remade the diamondback I'd be very tempted to pick one up again.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Voyager on Sat, 17 March 2012, 06:15:05
Didn't use that many different mice but recently got a new old stock WMO 1.1 and so far I think I like it more than my Explorer 3.0 because it's lighter and has a textured surface. I miss the forward/back buttons though. never had an MX518, but did play around with a display model and loved the shape. Should i get a G400? The low DPI on the Microsoft mice is almost a deal breaker on a 24" display.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Weapon on Sat, 17 March 2012, 09:52:34
I just got a CM storm spawn, its my new favorite mouse. I still use my G9x on my other computer.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: keyboardnoob on Sat, 17 March 2012, 19:35:34
Quote from: Voyager;548719
Didn't use that many different mice but recently got a new old stock WMO 1.1 and so far I think I like it more than my Explorer 3.0 because it's lighter and has a textured surface. I miss the forward/back buttons though. never had an MX518, but did play around with a display model and loved the shape. Should i get a G400? The low DPI on the Microsoft mice is almost a deal breaker on a 24" display.


G400 replaced the mx518, can't say about how long the g400 will last, but the mx518 is a tank and usually last 2-3 years even if you play fps games intensively. If I had to replace my mouse right now, it'd be either for a xai or a G400.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: cakeman on Sun, 18 March 2012, 16:56:27
Steelseries Xai !!!!! coupled with a steelseries 9HD . huge upgrade in terms of sensor/performance over logitech mx510. used for competitive gaming.

its amazing how much difference a good mousepad can make too guys, dont forget that !
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: jonnybastard on Mon, 19 March 2012, 00:14:56
Picked up a CM spawn a couple of weeks ago, mainly just to try it out and see how comfy it is for claw grippers like myself, the answer is very!  Still love my RAT 9 but the spawn has become my dedicated Quake mouse as I was getting pissed off having the battery die mid-game and end up giving away free frags whilst I would change it over haha.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Cereal on Tue, 20 March 2012, 04:23:05
Favorite used to be the Deathadder but recently I bought a g400 and it fits my hand so well. Paired with a goliathus speed ed.

EDIT:

Scratch that, I started getting cramps in my pinky and ring fingers using the g400 and it was registering right mouse clicks randomly, swapped back to the deathadder, also I forgot how snugly my hand fit on the deathadder :\
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tomten_alle on Tue, 20 March 2012, 08:09:52
My favorite is the Steelseries Xai. The sensor is amazing. 5001 DPI! The texture of it matches the gray PBT of my HHKB almost perfectly. For me, it is the ultimate mouse.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Crackensan on Tue, 20 March 2012, 10:21:19
Logitech MX518.  I love this mouse.  It's served me faithfully for several years and hopefully for several more.  They don't make them anymore... so it'll be a sad day when I have to replace it. ;_;
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: chel- on Tue, 20 March 2012, 10:52:26
You know the g400 is basically the exact same without angle snapping
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Shogunner on Wed, 21 March 2012, 16:33:34
The Naga is terrible lol

Try out a used Xai and if you like it get a get a Sensei, it's a lovely mouse.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 21 March 2012, 20:55:57
I switched from a Razer Mamba to a Mionix Naos 5000, and I've gotta say, it's the most comfortable mouse I've ever used(short of a trackball setup) and thus far, it's been extremely reliable. Comes with 8 5g weights and 24 built in led colors(to match any board you're using.) I like it more than my Logitech G9x so far as well. Only issue is sacrificing lift(like in a fps) for extreme comfort, but that can be gotten used to. BTW: Mamba was a totally overpriced hunk of junk imo after using it for 2years.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: hxu1 on Thu, 22 March 2012, 10:37:40
deathadder black all the way
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Post by: Maarten on Thu, 22 March 2012, 13:16:39
Replaced the cable on my mouse today cuz the ol one was too long, too flimsy and too rubbery (kept dragging on my mousepad);

[ATTACH=CONFIG]45280[/ATTACH]

Oh yeah, its way better now!!! I love modding EVERYTHING i own LOL
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: hcry4 on Thu, 22 March 2012, 13:19:16
Quote from: Maarten;553692
I love modding EVERYTHING i own LOL

Void those warranties, people!
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Post by: Maarten on Thu, 22 March 2012, 13:32:35
Heck yeah!?! I even got one of these t-shirts;

http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/techies/8f52/

:biggrin:
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: chel- on Thu, 22 March 2012, 18:14:54
I have to say the Zowie AM is my new favorite mouse. It fits my hand better than the mx518 and the coating is really nice. I even like the clunky scroll wheel.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Maarten on Fri, 23 March 2012, 03:23:48
Yeah, about those coatings..... does anybody have some experience with how those hold up in the long run? The only first hand experience i have is with a coated Microsoft mouse that held up many many years, but it did come off eventually. My current mouse (Roccat KOVA+) also has this kind of rubber coating on the top (but luckily it has solid robber sides) and i was wondering if these new coatings are anything like the old ones.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: nmd on Fri, 23 March 2012, 18:48:31
For a long time my favorite mouse was the SteelSeries Xai, until I got my Mionix Naos 3200. They've both been eclipsed however by the CM Storm Spawn, holy bejesus I've never been 100% satisfied with a mouse, I am with this one. Once the cord relaxes a bit, which it already has quite a bit(I need a mouse bungee, /cry) it'll be perfect.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: thefriscokid on Sat, 24 March 2012, 19:15:05
My favourite mouse for a long time was a logitech g5v1 until it was retired and replaced it with a deathadder 3.5g.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Lmnr on Mon, 26 March 2012, 13:25:08
Even though I thought of Steelseries as a serious gaming company They're beginning to show how desperate they really are haha.. just like Razer
Example: Kinzu V2 and the V2 Pro
seriously..
Oh and Zowie Am :D
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Erick_C on Tue, 27 March 2012, 19:40:10
1. IE 3.0
2. MX510
--
3. G1

Between the MX510 and the Logitech G1, there was a handful of mice I tried, but I kept going back to the MX510.  The G1 is the only one so far that hasn't given me a reason to go back (the MX510 is looking REALLY beat up).
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: thp777 on Wed, 28 March 2012, 02:00:55
i know alot of yall are razer haters but i love my razer naga the buttons are extremely helpful in 3ds max because i can still use shortcuts while using my spacenavigator. i have alot of my tools maped to normal layout on naga and then a button to switch to using it as numpad for precise number input. its also the only mouse with programmable buttons that my hand actually fits.the lift off issue doesnt bother me because i have the large goliathus mousepad so i never have to lift the mouse.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dewaere on Wed, 28 March 2012, 03:17:36
1/ zowie ec2
2/ mx518 1600
3/ imo 1.1
4/ deathadder 1800
5/ diamondback
6/ ie 3.0
7/ kana
8/ xai
9/ mico
10/ g9x
11/ mx300
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Maarten on Wed, 28 March 2012, 03:56:16
Hmmm..... zowie gear sure gets alot of love here. Is it just the commercial thing (korean uberplayers and OMG lift-off distance) that makes people pay the price for those or is there actually something special to em?
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dewaere on Wed, 28 March 2012, 05:13:33
I don't give a **** about commercial stuff, I only play Multiplayers fast FPS and this "OMG lod" is priceless for me.
That's also why I placed the g9x at the 10th position, the lod is ridiculously high for a gaming mouse.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: thp777 on Wed, 28 March 2012, 05:30:16
i still dont get why people lift the mouse. its such a massive waste of time in games. i can understand if u have limited mouse space but ive seen people with giant mousepads still lift
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dewaere on Wed, 28 March 2012, 05:44:51
Players lift the mouse because they use low sensitivity? :)
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Erick_C on Wed, 28 March 2012, 06:30:27
lowsens players lift alot... LOD is absolutely critical when they shop for mice...
lowsens players are also the reason we have table cloth sized mousepads... :biggrin:
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Post by: symphonic1985 on Wed, 28 March 2012, 12:46:27
I'm also on the CM Spawn and love it. I strip the insulation from the USB cord of all of my gaming mice, and just use the bare 4 USB wires. I didn't use the CM Spawn cord this time, but one from another cheap mouse I had on hand. If you are careful with your stuff you won't break the cable (played with an IME 3.0 for over a year with this light cord). And if it ever breaks, replace it. Easy to do. If the pins for the USB to PCB plug are out of order they are also easy to resequence.

It makes your mouse feel wireless. I started doing this with the WMO. Huge improvement, I promise.

Quote from: nmd;555023
For a long time my favorite mouse was the SteelSeries Xai, until I got my Mionix Naos 3200. They've both been eclipsed however by the CM Storm Spawn, holy bejesus I've never been 100% satisfied with a mouse, I am with this one. Once the cord relaxes a bit, which it already has quite a bit(I need a mouse bungee, /cry) it'll be perfect.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Carter on Wed, 28 March 2012, 13:25:50
I would recommend all the spawn owners here to update to the new beta firmware. You will see LOD be back to around 3mm but a massive increase in perfect control speed as well as an improved 800dpi with Zero Accel.

Firmware:

http://www.mediafire.com/?zxwk8gu3tdun5g4


DPI Steps also changed with this update:

Dpi1 = 800dpi (old version also 800dpi but interpolated)
Dpi2 = 1600dpi (old version: 1800dpi)
Dpi3 = 4000dpi (old version: 3500dpi)
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Maarten on Wed, 28 March 2012, 15:49:30
Oh i did not want to offend anyone sorry if i did... but i take it that lift of distance is actually something important? Guess im not too much of gamer to notice such things thanks all for educating me ;) My mouse has (according to some experts) roughly a 2mm lod... I have no clue if thats actually considered very good or bad but i just found the mouse comfortable when i gave it a little test run at a mates place and erm, for me that kind of test really means more than DPIs and G ratings that would make astronauts puke.

Oh, and i kinda have to take back what i said about prices on the zowie... i googled em a bit and they are only a couple bucks more expensive than my current mouse! Ill give em a try when i need a new mouse (will prolly be in about 2 years or something lol). I stil think its sad that nobody here loves my mouse tho, its a pretty decent thing (even tho i thought i was a bit light-ish and the cable was too long).
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Post by: dewaere on Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:17:08
No worry, I didn't feel offended:)
And yes, no one cares of the lod for surfing or photoshoping.
This is also why I keep the g9x, it's better than the zowie for that, in my opinion.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: net2522 on Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:27:29
1.G9x
2.MX518
3.Sensei
4.G700
5.IE 3.0
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: symphonic1985 on Wed, 28 March 2012, 17:28:52
Thanks Carter. Firmware 61 is working great for me. And a little bit of tape over some of the LED light (not over the lens eye) is enough to give me a lower LOD and still very high perfect control speeds. No excuses for missed rails.

Quote from: symphonic1985;559395
I'm also on the CM Spawn and love it. I strip the insulation from the USB cord of all of my gaming mice, and just use the bare 4 USB wires. I didn't use the CM Spawn cord this time, but one from another cheap mouse I had on hand. If you are careful with your stuff you won't break the cable (played with an IME 3.0 for over a year with this light cord). And if it ever breaks, replace it. Easy to do. If the pins for the USB to PCB plug are out of order they are also easy to resequence.

It makes your mouse feel wireless. I started doing this with the WMO. Huge improvement, I promise.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: mkeeley on Wed, 28 March 2012, 19:56:54
I don't really game so favorite mouse is easily the Logitech MX Revolution. Not found any that comes close for "real" work. Much nicer than the Performance MX that replaced it.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: foureight84 on Thu, 29 March 2012, 00:18:51
used to be the deathadder, but after two years the left button started to squeak. bought the G9X to replace and been loving it since.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Maarten on Thu, 29 March 2012, 04:05:12
Quote from: foureight84;560039
used to be the deathadder, but after two years the left button started to squeak. bought the G9X to replace and been loving it since.

Id be willing to give you a new home for your 'broken' mouse... the wife also needs a proper one ;)
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Maarten on Thu, 29 March 2012, 14:31:01
Wohooo!! Got a new (well, its actually 're-new') wireless mouse for the laptop!!

[ATTACH=CONFIG]46249[/ATTACH]

Inspired by a certain recent RPG space game.... :tape2:
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: jonnybastard on Fri, 30 March 2012, 07:53:29
Nice work Shepard! :laser:
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Demofly on Sun, 01 April 2012, 03:11:48
1. Logitech M100 1000dpi (not the 800dpi with tracking issues)
2. WMO 1.1a @ 500hz
3. Zowie AM
4. Logitech SBF-96, even though it is bad, it just feels so damn good
5. MX1000 for fatty cruise control palm slapping at da office
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PC_User on Sun, 01 April 2012, 22:29:45
Mionix NAOS 5000
(http://www.mionix.net/datas/users/naos_5000_9_0.png)
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: sloppie on Mon, 02 April 2012, 02:05:34
DeathAdder, this thing is 4 years old and still running smoothly. Though I hate the plastic sides as it extracts dirt like crazy.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: travnewmatic on Mon, 02 April 2012, 03:33:04
Logitech G9x
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: mkeeley on Mon, 02 April 2012, 10:42:32
Logitech Revolution MX, not found anything better but I don't really game.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: funxion on Mon, 02 April 2012, 15:04:14
G9x just because I game pretty extensively and it's held up for 2 years and counting and does everything I need it to.
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Post by: ranviper on Sat, 20 October 2012, 08:44:09
I've tried many, the logitech mx518, g9, g700, had a few apple mice, a few plain jane microsoft ones, the R.A.T., and a bunch of razer's.

Thus far, the one I keep coming back too is the death adder. Not because I'm a fanboy, I don't like razer, but it's the most comfortable mouse I have ever used, and I have never had an issue with it.
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Post by: tipo33 on Sat, 20 October 2012, 14:45:45
wierd lineup but here it is:
1/ Logitech M570
2/ R.A.T. 7
3/ Trackpoint - when I use my laptop(s)
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Post by: adrien239 on Sun, 21 October 2012, 18:14:50
Microsoft Trackball Explorer
Not for gaming but for working
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Post by: wetto on Sun, 21 October 2012, 21:11:53
1. Cooler Master Spawn
2. Corsair M60
3. Logitech G700
4. Logitech G9x
5. Logitech G400


I had a Razer Deathadder for almost an year, but it never really fitted me (since I'm a claw grip) and I just didn't liked it as much as other people did. When I finally tested a Corsair M60, I saw that my grip is REALLY Claw and that the DA was just bad for me. Some time later, I tested a friend's CM Spawn and I couldn't believe how well that mice fitted me and how cheap that thing is, so that's why it deserves the first place.
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Post by: ih8 on Mon, 22 October 2012, 09:55:30
ss kinzu v1/v2
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Post by: akuJIWA on Mon, 22 October 2012, 13:36:36
IME 3.0 / Steelseries Sensei
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: squarebox on Mon, 22 October 2012, 22:57:29
1. CM Spawn
2. Deathadder
3. G500
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 23 October 2012, 12:49:29
(http://ferdianwidya.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/logitech-g5-mouse-rust.jpg)

Probally the best mouse ever made and when my Lachesis dies, I'm going to get another one.
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Post by: vun on Tue, 23 October 2012, 13:00:15
Show Image
(http://ferdianwidya.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/logitech-g5-mouse-rust.jpg)


Probally the best mouse ever made and when my Lachesis dies, I'm going to get another one.
I still have that mouse sitting in my mouse drawer, my first mouse ever and it still works great.
Edit: I should probably clarify; it's the first mouse I bought myself, not the first mouse I ever used.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SurgeonKyle on Tue, 23 October 2012, 19:03:07
I'm not a fan of Razer's branding or most of their products but my Deathadder hasn't steered me wrong yet, plus it's huge and comfy. Want to try the Logitech G9X when it goes on sale again, though.
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Post by: tcv on Tue, 23 October 2012, 19:03:50
Logitech G9X
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Post by: exousia7 on Tue, 30 October 2012, 21:31:39
CM Storm Spawn and SteelSeries Sensei Raw
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Tue, 30 October 2012, 23:56:32
I'm not a fan of Razer's branding or most of their products but my Deathadder hasn't steered me wrong yet, plus it's huge and comfy. Want to try the Logitech G9X when it goes on sale again, though.

It's probably one of the few things Razer does correctly anyway.

Headsets? Meh... Overpriced pieces of crap.

Keyboards? Couldn't be worse.

Mousepads? Nice, though overpriced.

Mice? Well, if you see past the Philips Twin Eye fiasco of the recent years, at least the old models, which most Razer fanboys are so proud of, are actually quite good.
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Post by: sovano on Wed, 31 October 2012, 01:51:48
I'm pretty content with my Razer DA and my special edition Razer Goliathus. Although to be more serious its really their mouse line up that is the only thing that Razer really has quality in for some reason. My mousepad satisfies all of my requirements, but compared to my $5 mousepad from Target, I wouldn't find any difference in terms of performance; just comfortability and convenience.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ranviper on Wed, 31 October 2012, 08:07:32
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2008/dscn5897q.jpg)
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Post by: mztriz on Wed, 31 October 2012, 14:14:38
Show Image
(http://ferdianwidya.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/logitech-g5-mouse-rust.jpg)


Probally the best mouse ever made and when my Lachesis dies, I'm going to get another one.
I still have that mouse sitting in my mouse drawer, my first mouse ever and it still works great.
Edit: I should probably clarify; it's the first mouse I bought myself, not the first mouse I ever used.

I have one of these, too except it's in a blue 80's crackle pattern.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Logitech-G5-2007.jpg/220px-Logitech-G5-2007.jpg)

It also the first mouse I ever purchased, I still use it.
I'm going to be very sad when it dies one day, I don't believe they make them anymore.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 31 October 2012, 14:53:13
Well, at least there's the Logitech G400:

(http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2011/09/logitech-g400-review/logitech-g400-1b.jpg)

The sad thing, is that retarded gamers find it BAD since it looks "UGLY" for nowadays stuff. They'd rather have some Razer Mamba or RAT 5/7 with some crap Philips Twin Eye sensor than something actually good.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Rinsaku on Thu, 01 November 2012, 23:09:20
As a gamer I personally like the Razer Naga, With its 12 programmable buttons as a thumb rest it eases my wasd hand from multitasking with skills on the number row in mmorgs. With its 5600dpi its pretty smooth and great for playing fps games.

Edit: I Also have that crackled blue gaming mouse xD Its still like new!
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Post by: wetto on Thu, 01 November 2012, 23:43:52
Would be quite nice if Razer could re-release the Naga without the Philips Twin Eye sensor, and rather with that new one they used on the Taipan and Ouroboros (a modification of the AVAGO 9800)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: cluny on Fri, 02 November 2012, 04:36:03
I switched from my ball intellimouse to the Logitech MX518(I think that was the model) when I finally found an optical mouse that could perform better. Then I dabbled with the Razer Copperhead(Now that was a mouse) back when Razer was legit. Back to the same Logitech(so good) first laser mouse was a Logi G5(You could say I'm a late adopter).

Right now, I like my Mamba as my productivity mouse for its super low latency wireless but it's really too heavy for playing shooters so my main right now is the Steelseries Sensei RAW.

If, like me, you like the shape of the Logitechs, you can't go wrong with a G5 or G500. Otherwise, I highly recommend the SS Sensei
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Fri, 02 November 2012, 07:55:06
I switched from my ball intellimouse to the Logitech MX518(I think that was the model) when I finally found an optical mouse that could perform better. Then I dabbled with the Razer Copperhead(Now that was a mouse) back when Razer was legit. Back to the same Logitech(so good) first laser mouse was a Logi G5(You could say I'm a late adopter).

Right now, I like my Mamba as my productivity mouse for its super low latency wireless but it's really too heavy for playing shooters so my main right now is the Steelseries Sensei RAW.

If, like me, you like the shape of the Logitechs, you can't go wrong with a G5 or G500. Otherwise, I highly recommend the SS Sensei

Why didn't you get a Logitech G700 then?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: hamza_tm on Fri, 02 November 2012, 13:35:28
Taipan has irremovable cursor smoothing/modifying according to reviews. Razer even managed to mess up the ADNS9800 more than it already is! Great shape on that mouse though
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Fri, 02 November 2012, 14:34:57
Taipan has irremovable cursor smoothing/modifying according to reviews. Razer even managed to mess up the ADNS9800 more than it already is! Great shape on that mouse though

Jesus, is it worse than the Philips Fail Eye?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: hamza_tm on Fri, 02 November 2012, 14:38:14
No not that far gone :)

It just messes with the accuracy, smoothing and strange processing and whatnot.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: phetto on Fri, 02 November 2012, 15:06:05
Nice variation of favorites here.
at the moment i use logitech g400, and i love it, but i've had my eyes on razer imperator (similar form as on g400) and the razer taipan.
Anyone have experience with these two?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: hamza_tm on Fri, 02 November 2012, 18:19:45
I bought a Taipan but it will be at least 2-3 weeks before it arrives at my place. I can let you know then haha
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 03 November 2012, 12:24:06
Taipan has irremovable cursor smoothing/modifying according to reviews. Razer even managed to mess up the ADNS9800 more than it already is! Great shape on that mouse though

Jesus, is it worse than the Philips Fail Eye?

I had a Taipan, too, but IME it went away when I calibrated the mouse to my mousepad. Wasn't a problem for me. But, I don't know... maybe they noticed something I didn't notice.

Also, some of the people I talked to on the overclockers forum said they calibrated their mouse and still had the problem, but I'm thinking they had problems because they adjusted the lift-off distance (since I never adjusted mine, and never had any problems). So, yea... I would suggest calibrating the mouse with your mousepad, and not adjusting the lift-off distance.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Harlequin on Sun, 04 November 2012, 11:45:16
Logitech G9X all the way~ Corsair M90 for MMO tho.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Sun, 04 November 2012, 14:17:17
Logitech G9X all the way~ Corsair M90 for MMO tho.

Errr? Seriously, do you know how bad the Corsair profiles and macros management software sucks? Individual profiles for each game/app never work and the interface is god damn confusing.

And it's soo bad up to the point of even corrupting the firmware of the mice that use it just by changing the god damn DPI settings, making it look like the mouse is dead and then forcing the user to reinstall the firmware itself to get the mouse back working?

While I may defend the Corsair M60 since it isn't all that dependent of the Corsair software (though I really had to reinstall its firmware hundreds of times until they somewhat "fixed it" by July, six months after I bought the mouse, since then I never opened the interface again), the M90 in the other hand...
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lolkeyboards on Sun, 04 November 2012, 18:21:53
g700 and i regret getting it
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Harlequin on Sun, 04 November 2012, 22:35:19
Logitech G9X all the way~ Corsair M90 for MMO tho.

Errr? Seriously, do you know how bad the Corsair profiles and macros management software sucks? Individual profiles for each game/app never work and the interface is god damn confusing.

And it's soo bad up to the point of even corrupting the firmware of the mice that use it just by changing the god damn DPI settings, making it look like the mouse is dead and then forcing the user to reinstall the firmware itself to get the mouse back working?

While I may defend the Corsair M60 since it isn't all that dependent of the Corsair software (though I really had to reinstall its firmware hundreds of times until they somewhat "fixed it" by July, six months after I bought the mouse, since then I never opened the interface again), the M90 in the other hand...

haha i agree. the software is bit screwed up. but i just really like the grip of the M90. I hardly use it since i'm a RTS gamer.
And it sucks that u can't open the mouse T _T
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 07 November 2012, 22:16:28
Logitech G9X all the way~ Corsair M90 for MMO tho.

Errr? Seriously, do you know how bad the Corsair profiles and macros management software sucks? Individual profiles for each game/app never work and the interface is god damn confusing.

And it's soo bad up to the point of even corrupting the firmware of the mice that use it just by changing the god damn DPI settings, making it look like the mouse is dead and then forcing the user to reinstall the firmware itself to get the mouse back working?

While I may defend the Corsair M60 since it isn't all that dependent of the Corsair software (though I really had to reinstall its firmware hundreds of times until they somewhat "fixed it" by July, six months after I bought the mouse, since then I never opened the interface again), the M90 in the other hand...

haha i agree. the software is bit screwed up. but i just really like the grip of the M90. I hardly use it since i'm a RTS gamer.
And it sucks that u can't open the mouse T _T

Well, maybe the thing I like the most about the Corsair mice is actually how well built they are and the materials used on it. The person who designed these things deserves an award. This is the biggest difference I noticed (besides how its shape was better for me) when I compared it to my old Razer Deathadder:

(http://i49.tinypic.com/14tpixd.jpg)


Although, the ones responsible for its software should be burned alive.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: raisinbun on Thu, 08 November 2012, 03:27:26
Taipan has irremovable cursor smoothing/modifying according to reviews. Razer even managed to mess up the ADNS9800 more than it already is! Great shape on that mouse though

There was rumour that it is fixed by a new firmware or patch.



My favourite, after owning G500, Salmosa Asia Progaming edition, and Roccat Savu, and had my hand on Sensei, Imperator, DeathAdder, Kinzu, Kana, Recon, M60, Level 10 M, R.A.T. 5, IE 3.0, etc....

My favourite in terms of shape is IE 3.0, but in an overall package with the shape, buttons, drivers/software, materials, my favourite mouse is Savu.
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Post by: rayuki on Thu, 08 November 2012, 03:53:06
lol i smell a troll...
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Post by: reaper on Thu, 08 November 2012, 09:24:32
lol i smell a troll...


Yeah, Mike Vick.  ;)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: bear95 on Thu, 08 November 2012, 11:53:29
I think bst mice on overclock.net are going to be good.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 08 November 2012, 16:06:51
I haven't found my perfect mouse yet  :(

Though at the moment I find Razer Naga and CM Storm Xornet to be fairly good, want to try Logitech G9X and CM Storm Recon later.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 08 November 2012, 19:43:47
Well... I just got my third G9x. I've purchased and returned a G9x, twice already (thanks to Fry's return policy), and I just keep coming back to the G9x for some reason. I've tried a lot of the other popular mice, like the Deathadder, G700, G400, but... I don't know. Something about the G9x. I just like its low and wide profile - seems to help my performance with games.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Thu, 08 November 2012, 20:11:43
Well... I just got my third G9x. I've purchased and returned a G9x, twice already (thanks to Fry's return policy), and I just keep coming back to the G9x for some reason. I've tried a lot of the other popular mice, like the Deathadder, G700, G400, but... I don't know. Something about the G9x. I just like its low and wide profile - seems to help my performance with games.

Claw gamers are like that. I had a Deathadder, G700, G500, but the only one that fitted me was the Corsair M60 and recently I found that the dirt cheap CM Spawn is also perfect.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: brianvoo on Thu, 08 November 2012, 20:54:06
SteelSeries Ikari Optical. Wish they did not stop production of the mouse tho, my 2nd one has had double click problems for ages. Middle clicking tabs sometimes opens 5 of the same tabs.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: cluny on Sat, 10 November 2012, 05:50:18
I switched from my ball intellimouse to the Logitech MX518(I think that was the model) when I finally found an optical mouse that could perform better. Then I dabbled with the Razer Copperhead(Now that was a mouse) back when Razer was legit. Back to the same Logitech(so good) first laser mouse was a Logi G5(You could say I'm a late adopter).

Right now, I like my Mamba as my productivity mouse for its super low latency wireless but it's really too heavy for playing shooters so my main right now is the Steelseries Sensei RAW.

If, like me, you like the shape of the Logitechs, you can't go wrong with a G5 or G500. Otherwise, I highly recommend the SS Sensei

Why didn't you get a Logitech G700 then?

Bit slow for reply but I just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean that I prefer the Logitech. It is a very fine mouse, and can be had cheaper than the SS Sensei. Also, I can vouch for the Logitech's build quality and life expectancy. However, I believe the Sensei was the right choice for me. I like the shape and buttons better for CS:GO(which I've been playing almost exclusively since it released), and the thick cable cuts down on feedback from the cable to your hand. I got the rubberized version which has been great at keeping away the grime and buildup where, I'm ashamed to admit, I would let my Logitechs get pretty messed up.
     You need a wired mouse for competitive gaming! Even the Mamba which advertises sub-1ms latency on wireless is sub-par. The G700 is fine because it has a wired gaming mode, but personally, I think the battery made it too heavy. Just preference really, I like a light mouse(my sensei is only 90grams)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Anynoupy on Mon, 12 November 2012, 15:08:01
I'm in love with my G9/G9x since the first day I got it.
I was coming from a DeathAdder at the time I believe, and even though the size is clearly different, it feels way better in my hand !
I'm not a high-DPI guy, mostly at 800/1200DPI while gaming, max 1600 if I find myself struggling with too much moves.
Unfortunately, the G9x I bought quite a few months ago tended to bug more than my G9, and finally one of its Omron switches (the right one) is hard to push, more precisely, it has a 2-steps click, which makes it harder to press, and more "errors-friendly". Really not great when gaming ...

I'd definitely buy it again if my G9 was to die :D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: smoke070 on Tue, 13 November 2012, 16:45:50
Zowie AM, love this thing since I got it. Lightweight, perfect tracking, works amazing with a claw grip. Used to have a DeathAdder, no issues other than it was a bit too big for my hand.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Internetlad on Wed, 14 November 2012, 16:52:50
I haven't found my perfect mouse yet  :(

I was pretty happy with my Razer Deathadder 3.5 until one of the side buttons caved in, the finish started wearing off, and I realised it all happened barely out of the (1 year) warranty

For 50 bucks that's pretty unimpressive.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 14 November 2012, 20:37:59
I haven't found my perfect mouse yet  :(

Though at the moment I find Razer Naga and CM Storm Xornet to be fairly good, want to try Logitech G9X and CM Storm Recon later.

Give a try to the Corsair M60 as well. It's an awful mouse for palm grip, but for claw and fingertip? Damn good.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 15 November 2012, 07:00:15
Has anyone mentioned the QPad?

I saw it mentioned here LONG back and was always interested because of it's ergonomics. I finally ordered one and couldn't be happier. It's ergonomics are wonderful and it's very comfortable for large hands.

I got this one:
http://www.qpad.com/products/mice/5K/
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Thu, 15 November 2012, 07:05:36
Has anyone mentioned the QPad?

I saw it mentioned here LONG back and was always interested because of it's ergonomics. I finally ordered one and couldn't be happier. It's ergonomics are wonderful and it's very comfortable for large hands.

I got this one:
http://www.qpad.com/products/mice/5K/

Mionix 5200:

(http://pcgaming.es/32-257-thickbox/mionix-naos-5200-raton.jpg)


I wonder who copied who?  :eek: :confused:

Though, both have a god damn nice design for palm grip!  ;D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: rainbowshy on Thu, 15 November 2012, 12:41:47
Has anyone mentioned the QPad?

I saw it mentioned here LONG back and was always interested because of it's ergonomics. I finally ordered one and couldn't be happier. It's ergonomics are wonderful and it's very comfortable for large hands.

I got this one:
http://www.qpad.com/products/mice/5K/
Yeah, I've been using this for quite a while and it's pretty great IMO. I do find the buttons _slightly_ too easy to click though, kind of annoying.

MX518 is great too, nowhere to put your little finger though :(
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Citna on Sat, 24 November 2012, 22:47:52
My favorite mouse is the Logitech G1. Such a great mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Goodfella on Sat, 24 November 2012, 22:50:03
Went from the Logitech G500, to the g9x, currently using the Performance MX and it is my favorite.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 25 November 2012, 06:16:42
If you like the preformance mx try the G700
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Johan on Tue, 27 November 2012, 15:51:48
I'm currently using a SS Kana I really like the shape of it, the sensor isn't great but it works. Its lot lighter than my G400, however I think I might need something a tiny bit bigger and a greater sensor, I've only heard good things about the Sensei and Taipan(after configuring the sensor). So after manning up and deciding which computer to buy/build I think I'll check one out.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Goodfella on Tue, 27 November 2012, 16:17:08
If you like the preformance mx try the G700

I have heard a lot of good things about that mouse as well, hopefully Amazon will put it on sale for a decent price. Picked up the MX for 49 shipped during their last sale, very happy with it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Creizai on Wed, 28 November 2012, 19:22:54
I'm currently using a SS Kana I really like the shape of it, the sensor isn't great but it works. Its lot lighter than my G400, however I think I might need something a tiny bit bigger and a greater sensor, I've only heard good things about the Sensei and Taipan(after configuring the sensor). So after manning up and deciding which computer to buy/build I think I'll check one out.
If you can swing a Zowie mico check it out
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Kabuks on Thu, 29 November 2012, 08:35:54
When I'm playing a MMO I use my Naga Molten Edition and when I'm playing an FPS I use my deathadder.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: bace on Thu, 29 November 2012, 09:18:54
I currently use a G500. I've always liked the shape of logitech mouses so I have a hard time using others.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Johan on Tue, 04 December 2012, 11:05:35
If you can swing a Zowie mico check it out
I've actually looked at the StarTale edition but I think 1600 DPI is too slow for me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Tue, 04 December 2012, 13:38:31
I have a few Razer Nagas which I will never switch away from. Thumb-pad tenkey is a MUST now. I've tried the Logitech G600 but couldn't come up with a use for the "G-Shift" button since when ever you click that button, all other buttons on the mouse are "re-initialized" meaning if you're holding down the right mouse button and looking around in World of Warcraft, then decide to use the G-Shift button, you are no longer holding down the right mouse button, even if you physically still are. Basically you need to lift off your fingers off ALL the buttons, then re-press the buttons after using G-Shift. Retarded!

Edit;
I also want to mention that the thumb buttons on the Naga are perfectly tuned not to be pressed accidentally. I wrest my thumb smack on the middle of the 5 button usually. That being said, I never switch to a regular mouse... I have one at work and one for home, and won't switch until they come out with a Naga that doesn't have the Z axis problem.... Although the "Z axis problem" seriously doesn't affect me at all... Just have an obsession with perfection. (If you don't know what that problem is, Google it, there will be Youtube videos)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: m00nshake on Tue, 04 December 2012, 14:09:57
+1 for Razer Naga if you play mmo games.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: RinSewand on Tue, 04 December 2012, 14:26:29
Absolutely love the Logitech G5. Can't find anything that fits in the palm of my hand any better than this, though I can see why fingertip mousers wouldn't like it as much. Mine got submerged after I knocked a pint of water over my desk recently too, 12 hours on the radiator after a strip down and it's good as new!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: McWilloughby on Tue, 04 December 2012, 16:48:16
Currently using a Corsair M60. It takes a lot of getting used to feel-wise and the software (if you want to reprogram any of the buttons) is pretty bad but once its set up and you get used to it, damn good mouse. Really solid construction.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: okooko on Tue, 04 December 2012, 17:19:25
Razer Mamba for many years now, works well a bit worn nowadays but still got it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Tue, 04 December 2012, 18:49:38
Currently using a Corsair M60. It takes a lot of getting used to feel-wise and the software (if you want to reprogram any of the buttons) is pretty bad but once its set up and you get used to it, damn good mouse. Really solid construction.

Well, did you knew that the software was so bad up to the point of corrupting the mouse's firmware and making it stop working just by changing DPI settings until JULY?

Bloody hell, while it's indeed a very comfortable and well-made mouse, the software can only be defined as: RETARDED.


Now, just think... Is the Corsair M90 a good mouse then?  :confused:

Jesus Christ, that thing should be banned for the sake of mankind.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Malerik on Wed, 05 December 2012, 14:02:14
Loved the old Logitech MX500's and 510's but their descendants just don't match up. Switched to a Steelseries XAI and have been pretty happy with it. I think the metal version of the Sensei might be where I end up.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linuxid10t on Wed, 05 December 2012, 23:12:05
CM Storm Sentinel (original).  Love the feel in my hand and the changeable DPI on the mouse.  Comes in handy a lot.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: McWilloughby on Thu, 06 December 2012, 12:49:51
Currently using a Corsair M60. It takes a lot of getting used to feel-wise and the software (if you want to reprogram any of the buttons) is pretty bad but once its set up and you get used to it, damn good mouse. Really solid construction.

Well, did you knew that the software was so bad up to the point of corrupting the mouse's firmware and making it stop working just by changing DPI settings until JULY?

Bloody hell, while it's indeed a very comfortable and well-made mouse, the software can only be defined as: RETARDED.


Now, just think... Is the Corsair M90 a good mouse then?  :confused:

Jesus Christ, that thing should be banned for the sake of mankind.

Yeah once I got it set up to a point I liked I wrote my settings to the mouse and uninstalled the software. Didn't want my mouse getting bricked :\

Also, having used the M90 as well, that thing is horrible.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Lmnr on Thu, 06 December 2012, 12:50:43
Zowie Am FG, nice finish and perfected the Ambidextrous models kinks.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Thu, 06 December 2012, 13:50:41
Zowie Am FG, nice finish and perfected the Ambidextrous models kinks.

Besides what you've already said, its liftoff control seems awesome, considering the Zowie AM, as seen here:

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Lmnr on Thu, 06 December 2012, 17:41:29
Lod is perfect for fast fps games and its 450 dpi is amazing, also the only mouse to go with my year of the rabbit keyboard.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: m_enanos on Fri, 07 December 2012, 06:14:10
Logitech G400 >>> rest.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Sun, 16 December 2012, 23:14:32
I just had to do this since most people don't know how badly Corsair software sucks...

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Sun, 16 December 2012, 23:19:24
The Logitech G500 is by far the best gaming mouse out there :D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: McWilloughby on Mon, 17 December 2012, 04:33:33
I just had to do this since most people don't know how badly Corsair software sucks...


The thing that bemused me about this mouse was that it seems impossible to use it (without a macro) as a push to talk button on ventrilo or teamspeak or whatever. On every other mouse I've had, I've set one of the extra buttons to be Insert which is my push to talk key. On the M60, I had to create a macro so that it would hold down the button until I let go. Why did I have to create a macro to do the action that I'm doing in the first place? NOBODY KNOWS. Wish I could flash the logitech firmware onto the mouse or something. Theirs actually works.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: link_tree on Mon, 17 December 2012, 09:15:00
I've had my deathadder for almost 3 years now and still working  great except for an extremely minor issue.
the scrollwheel sometimes very rarely scrolls up by 1 notch when I scroll down I am sure that if I'll open it up and clean it inside it will be gone. probably some dirt on the scroll wheel or sensor.
other then that I absolutely love this mouse it fits my hands perfectly and I love how easy it is to click on the right and left buttons. I am not much of a razer fan but really this mouse hasn't failed me yet and it's been putting up with a very intense use during those 2.5 years. I'm talking about more or less 14 hours of pc usage per day. including playing a high click rate game such as league of legends.

the one other mouse I tried and loved it's shape was the Microsoft intelliMouse 1.1a but in all honesty the deathadder gives a much nicer experience gaming wise.

I'd also recommend the steelseries qck mouse pad. I bought it at the same time as my deathadder and they both worked with eachother flawlessly. I hate plastic mats the sound of a mouse gliding on it gives me chills like scratching a chalkboard or something so the cloth pad was absolutely perfect.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 17 December 2012, 12:41:42
Yes - I have a DeathAdder 3.5 with the same issue (well similar) the scroll wheel is just not exact. It seems like when you scroll up or down it's actually going up / down by 1.2 or 1.3 "notches" instead of a perfect 1.0 like the Logitech mice seem to be. However they seem to have fixed the scroll wheel issues with the Naga.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Mon, 17 December 2012, 13:45:37
Yes - I have a DeathAdder 3.5 with the same issue (well similar) the scroll wheel is just not exact. It seems like when you scroll up or down it's actually going up / down by 1.2 or 1.3 "notches" instead of a perfect 1.0 like the Logitech mice seem to be. However they seem to have fixed the scroll wheel issues with the Naga.

But instead, they ****ed the sensor up, eh?

Now, seriously, since Razer's finally stopped using the Philips FAIL Eye on the newer models, maybe we'll soon see a new version of the NAGA with an AVAGO ADNS-9800 sensor?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 17 December 2012, 13:52:20
Pffff.... it's not that bad dude. I will woop dat ass at counter strike with my Naga 2012. User name atronusthemighty holla

In reality you don't um.... do that too much with a mouse (hitting the desk with the bottom of the mouse repeatedly... Lol)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Mon, 17 December 2012, 14:41:00
Pffff.... it's not that bad dude. I will woop dat ass at counter strike with my Naga 2012. User name atronusthemighty holla

In reality you don't um.... do that too much with a mouse (hitting the desk with the bottom of the mouse repeatedly... Lol)

Doesn't changes the fact that many big brands such as Steelseries and Logitech never used that sensor and that Razer, Thermaltake and Cooler Master won't be releasing any more models with it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 17 December 2012, 14:51:21
Oh, it is a defect. That is correct. I am indeed eager to see something similar to the Naga without that Z axis flaw.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Mon, 17 December 2012, 14:52:43
Yes - I have a DeathAdder 3.5 with the same issue (well similar) the scroll wheel is just not exact. It seems like when you scroll up or down it's actually going up / down by 1.2 or 1.3 "notches" instead of a perfect 1.0 like the Logitech mice seem to be. However they seem to have fixed the scroll wheel issues with the Naga.

But instead, they ****ed the sensor up, eh?

Now, seriously, since Razer's finally stopped using the Philips FAIL Eye on the newer models, maybe we'll soon see a new version of the NAGA with an AVAGO ADNS-9800 sensor?
I hope not, I haven't seen any conclusive evidence yet but so far everything seems to indicate that the acceleration from the 9500 will still be present.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Mon, 17 December 2012, 14:59:07
Yes - I have a DeathAdder 3.5 with the same issue (well similar) the scroll wheel is just not exact. It seems like when you scroll up or down it's actually going up / down by 1.2 or 1.3 "notches" instead of a perfect 1.0 like the Logitech mice seem to be. However they seem to have fixed the scroll wheel issues with the Naga.

But instead, they ****ed the sensor up, eh?

Now, seriously, since Razer's finally stopped using the Philips FAIL Eye on the newer models, maybe we'll soon see a new version of the NAGA with an AVAGO ADNS-9800 sensor?
I hope not, I haven't seen any conclusive evidence yet but so far everything seems to indicate that the acceleration from the 9500 will still be present.

Which is why they should use an AVAGO 3090 or a variant of it, but the problem is that gamers want as much DPI as possible, regardless whether or not the sensor sucks or not.

Gamer dumb logic:

A 5600 DPIs sensor (Philips Fail Eye) is a lot better than those 1600 DPI (AVAGO 3080), 3500 DPI (AVAGO S3888) or 4000 DPI (AVAGO 3090) mouses since it has more DPI!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Mon, 17 December 2012, 15:06:48
Yes - I have a DeathAdder 3.5 with the same issue (well similar) the scroll wheel is just not exact. It seems like when you scroll up or down it's actually going up / down by 1.2 or 1.3 "notches" instead of a perfect 1.0 like the Logitech mice seem to be. However they seem to have fixed the scroll wheel issues with the Naga.

But instead, they ****ed the sensor up, eh?

Now, seriously, since Razer's finally stopped using the Philips FAIL Eye on the newer models, maybe we'll soon see a new version of the NAGA with an AVAGO ADNS-9800 sensor?
I hope not, I haven't seen any conclusive evidence yet but so far everything seems to indicate that the acceleration from the 9500 will still be present.

Which is why they should use an AVAGO 3090 or a variant of it, but the problem is that gamers want as much DPI as possible, regardless whether or not the sensor sucks or not.
The sensor in the new DA also looks interesting, 6400 dpi optical, but I'm a bit wary since I fear the high dpi might come at a cost. I haven't really seen a lot of info on it yet.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 18 December 2012, 14:01:45
I use a Razer Imperator at home and a Razer Abyssus at work. I've come to realize that I prefer an optical sensor. So I like my Abyssus more at the moment but I think I'm going to buy a DeathAdder (pre-2013) and see what that's like.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tauburn on Tue, 18 December 2012, 14:02:20
ordered a refurbished logitech g400 the other day. still waiting for that.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 18 December 2012, 14:28:26
I use a Razer Imperator at home and a Razer Abyssus at work. I've come to realize that I prefer an optical sensor. So I like my Abyssus more at the moment but I think I'm going to buy a DeathAdder (pre-2013) and see what that's like.
The 2013 model also has an optical sensor.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Tue, 18 December 2012, 15:28:52
I use a Razer Imperator at home and a Razer Abyssus at work. I've come to realize that I prefer an optical sensor. So I like my Abyssus more at the moment but I think I'm going to buy a DeathAdder (pre-2013) and see what that's like.

Uhhh, the optical sensor for the Abyssus and the pre-2013 Deathadder is the same... AVAGO S3888.

Maybe one of the reasons why you dislike the laser sensor is that the Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 is one of the worst laser sensors ever made. The tracking on black mousepads is just terrible, there's positive acceleration, there's problems with the Z-Axis, its known for dying all of a sudden on some mouses...

Even Razer isn't making new models with this sensor anymore. Now they're using an AVAGO ANDS-9800 variant for their new laser mouses such as the Taipan and the Ouroboros.

Ow, and by the way, Thermaltake and Cooler Master won't be using this Philips laser sensor anymore and Logitech/Steelseries/Mionix never used it because they knew it sucks.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Tue, 18 December 2012, 15:52:39
Anybody use Taipan? Seems like they need to make a Taipan with the thumb-tenkey
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Lmnr on Tue, 18 December 2012, 16:12:15
I might just be the only one here that uses an Am FG with only 450 DPI.

Im ok with that  :-*
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 18 December 2012, 16:31:35
I use a Razer Imperator at home and a Razer Abyssus at work. I've come to realize that I prefer an optical sensor. So I like my Abyssus more at the moment but I think I'm going to buy a DeathAdder (pre-2013) and see what that's like.

Uhhh, the optical sensor for the Abyssus and the pre-2013 Deathadder is the same... AVAGO S3888.

Maybe one of the reasons why you dislike the laser sensor is that the Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 is one of the worst laser sensors ever made. The tracking on black mousepads is just terrible, there's positive acceleration, there's problems with the Z-Axis, its known for dying all of a sudden on some mouses...

Even Razer isn't making new models with this sensor anymore. Now they're using an AVAGO ANDS-9800 variant for their new laser mouses such as the Taipan and the Ouroboros.

Ow, and by the way, Thermaltake and Cooler Master won't be using this Philips laser sensor anymore and Logitech/Steelseries/Mionix never used it because they knew it sucks.

I thought that they were replacing the sensor since they were advertising the DPI increase or something. Anyways, it was my first mouse and I didn't know any better. Oh well. And now I know what's inside ^_^ Oh and I paid like half price for it so I'm not too heartbroken about it lol.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stonejoint on Tue, 18 December 2012, 16:41:41
I am using zowie am right now its fine with sensor very good actually but clicks are stiff really and scroll too very stiff actually may its normal for smashers but I was hoping a little bit soft buttons but its good while playing game you dont have any misclick and you dont care much about stiff while playing games
.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Lmnr on Tue, 18 December 2012, 16:45:48
Well its stiff clicks are a curse and a blessing and it has one of the best optical sensors to date, also the FG version fixed the stiff clicking.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Tue, 18 December 2012, 17:23:34
I am using zowie am right now its fine with sensor very good actually but clicks are stiff really and scroll too very stiff actually may its normal for smashers but I was hoping a little bit soft buttons but its good while playing game you dont have any misclick and you dont care much about stiff while playing games
.

You can replace the switches, I recommend the Japanese OMRON ones...

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19067.0;attach=6883;image)

Left: China (D2FC-F-7N)
Right: Japan (D2F-01F)


Just search for them on eBay and replace them on your mouse. It's not complicated since they're removable.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: link_tree on Tue, 18 December 2012, 17:31:40
what switches does the deathadder use? I find them perfect I really like how they feel.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Tue, 18 December 2012, 17:49:37
what switches does the deathadder use? I find them perfect I really like how they feel.

The OMRON D2FC-F-7N

Most mice use this switch actually... Though the Japanese one feels a lil bit better and lasts longer.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: link_tree on Tue, 18 December 2012, 18:03:29
what's the difference between the D2F-01F and the D2F-01F-T found here?:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-pcs-OMRON-D2F-01F-T-Micro-Switch-Microswitch-for-RAZER-Logitech-APPLE-MS-Mouse-/110910065782?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d2c14c76
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: scoot on Tue, 18 December 2012, 19:03:55
Logitec g5. Best mouse ever. :D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Sai on Wed, 26 December 2012, 23:37:38
been using razer deathadder since 2010 and still in good shape. ;D ;D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: sammsorensen on Sun, 30 December 2012, 21:44:06
Logitech g500.. Honestly, I would love to test out some other mice, but Logitech has one of the best customer support groups I have ever encountered.. I am currently on my 4th g500.. they just keep shipping me out new ones for free.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Permeability on Sun, 30 December 2012, 23:32:33
Deathadder for now, might pickup a sensei soon
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Magnusian on Sun, 30 December 2012, 23:56:40
I have 2 G9Xs at the moment. One of which was a free replacement for several years out of warranty G9 that had it's cable fray. I love these mice, but I love Logitech's customer support even more. Even if their mice weren't the best I would reccomend them based entirely on the fact they go above and beyond to ensure customer satisfaction.

When I first got a G9, it took some getting used to the shape of the mouse, but now I find that anything else feels too large and clunky and am glad they carried it over to the G9X.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Etnie on Mon, 31 December 2012, 10:12:44
Intellimouse 3.0

There is no other mouse for me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Tue, 01 January 2013, 14:41:06
Hey fellow GeekHackers, I was just wondering if anyone had ever owned or tried out the OCZ EQUALIZER LASER GAMING MOUSE.
I was thinking of buying it, and was looking to get some feedback before doing so, Thanks all!

Pictures:
(http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/products/auto_images/Equalizer_D.jpg)(http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/products/auto_images/Equalizer_buttons.jpg)

Link:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 01 January 2013, 14:59:39
Hey fellow GeekHackers, I was just wondering if anyone had ever owned or tried out the OCZ EQUALIZER LASER GAMING MOUSE.
I was thinking of buying it, and was looking to get some feedback before doing so, Thanks all!

Pictures:
Show Image
(http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/products/auto_images/Equalizer_D.jpg)
Show Image
(http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/products/auto_images/Equalizer_buttons.jpg)


Link:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html)

Looks like it's just a rebranded ODM mouse, if it is I wouldn't expect it to be great. Call me a snob, but I don't think I'd buy it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Tue, 01 January 2013, 15:07:22
I see you are a Mouse Enthusiast vun, so if you don't mind, could you please explain to me what an ODM mouse is xD
Currently, I own the Logitech G500, which I love and am happy to stick with. Just wondering what other options are out there, as I want one mouse for the net-cafe, and one for home.
So I've been thinking of trying out a new mouse, instead of just getting another G500. Do you have any other suggestions? Another option was the SteelSeries Sensei.
I know I must sound like a noob to you with all these choices, just I am not looking to spend an exorbitant amount of money on mice, but I still want a good quality one.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 01 January 2013, 15:14:46
I see you are a Mouse Enthusiast vun, so if you don't mind, could you please explain to me what an ODM mouse is xD
Currently, I own the Logitech G500, which I love and am happy to stick with. Just wondering what other options are out there, as I want one mouse for the net-cafe, and one for home.
So I've been thinking of trying out a new mouse, instead of just getting another G500. Do you have any other suggestions? Another option was the SteelSeries Sensei.
I know I must sound like a noob to you with all these choices, just I am not looking to spend an exorbitant amount of money on mice, but I still want a good quality one.
Well, ODM isn't a mouse specific term, it just means "original design manufacturer", although I mixed it up with OEM, which is "original equipment manufacturer".
What I think I meant was OEM, the OEM makes the mouse, companies can then sell the mouse with their logo on it. It all confuses me, really, but basically; OCZ doesn't make the mouse.
The mouse is made by someone else, OCZ then purchase the mouse with their logo on it.
While I don't know much about the mouse in question, off the bat I suspect the G500 is miles better. If you want a mouse you can bring to netcafes and you like the G500, get a G400. Same basic shape, better sensor(the G500 has some amount of hardware acceleration, the G400 doesn't) and it's so cheap it won't matter if it breaks or gets stolen compared to the more expensive G500.

If anyone can clarify the OEM/ODM stuff for me, please do so. I thought I had it down, but after reading again I'm not so sure..
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Tue, 01 January 2013, 15:20:07
Okay thanks! And thoughts on the Sensei?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 01 January 2013, 15:28:12
Okay thanks! And thoughts on the Sensei?
The Sensei looks really sleek, I'll be buying one soon, and from what I remember the [RAW] version is pretty decent value for the money. It's got a laser sensor so I suspect it's got the same issues as the G500 sensor, but if that hasn't been an issue for you so far I wouldn't worry. I use a G9x often which shares the G500 sensor and the slight acceleration hasn't bothered me so far.
If you like the shape of the G500 I don't think you'll dislike the shape of the Sensei either, although if you plan on bringing it with you on netcafes it might be a bit pricey, I really have no idea how risky it is so it could be a non-issue.

Edit: Seems like the Sensei uses the same sensor as the G500, at least from a quick glance around the web. Both use the Avago 9500, not sure if the Sensei uses the S9500 like the G500, I think it does, but either way it shouldn't make much of a difference.
Title: Re: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stonejoint on Tue, 01 January 2013, 15:53:32
I might just be the only one here that uses an Am FG with only 450 DPI.

Im ok with that  :-*

I am using am gs with 1150 dpi. 450 feels too slow
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Tue, 01 January 2013, 15:53:54
Hey fellow GeekHackers, I was just wondering if anyone had ever owned or tried out the OCZ EQUALIZER LASER GAMING MOUSE.
I was thinking of buying it, and was looking to get some feedback before doing so, Thanks all!

Pictures:
(...)

Link:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-equalizer-laser-gaming-mouse.html)


Looks exactly like some higher-end A4Tech gaming mouse. IIRC they were known for quite good sensors in the low-end market. I've used I guess X7-718BF (or something like that) for a while, and it was solid, worked fine, but something about it just didn't feel right.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: missalaire on Tue, 01 January 2013, 16:08:32
1. Logitech G9x
2. Logitech MX Revolution
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Viz on Tue, 01 January 2013, 16:45:30
1. CST Ltrac,
2. WMO
3. ? ? ?

Mices i've tried: Xai, sensei, g9. g9x, Deathadder, deathadder respawn, g500, mx518, IE 3.0 and alot of other things..
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ryanleaf on Tue, 01 January 2013, 19:04:51
1. Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan (I borrowed this from a friend for a while several years ago, I loved it. It started my love for trackballs!)
2. Logitech M570 Trackball.
3. Logitech G5 (I haven't tried any of its newer relatives).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: NickVsYou on Tue, 08 January 2013, 20:44:47
Razer naga is my favorite mouse so far, i've had a couple others and for mmos/gaming its the best.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheQsanity on Tue, 08 January 2013, 21:34:08
Intellimouse 3.0

There is no other mouse for me.

OMG, Best mouse ever, there needs to be a remake of it. with Teflon feet. I just refurbished my old silver one and it works and feels soo much better than any of my newer mouses.

They get dirty nasty and old but still better than a lot of the new ones!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linkz on Sat, 12 January 2013, 08:58:49
Razer Deathadder worth all the $ you paid. Other Razer mouse have the same quality as well, except maybe the wireless version.

Tried the R.A.T mouse as well, not as good as hyped. Looks fierce, but if you lift up your mouse and put it down again, it takes a certain time lag before your pointer move with your movement again. If you play game, you would notice it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TAdams on Sat, 12 January 2013, 12:52:26
G5 is my favorite.

Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels  throughout generations of their products.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Sat, 12 January 2013, 13:16:18
G5 is my favorite.

Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels  throughout generations of their products.
Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Sat, 12 January 2013, 13:35:12
G5 is my favorite.

Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels  throughout generations of their products.
Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3

Me too, but clicking it is a pain in ass.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Sat, 12 January 2013, 13:45:30
G5 is my favorite.

Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels  throughout generations of their products.
Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3

Me too, but clicking it is a pain in ass.
True, but it hasn't  been a problem for me since I have never found a reason to use it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Jocelyn on Sat, 12 January 2013, 13:52:45
Any Mionix Naos (8200 below) and it's definitely the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. I use a Palm grip and do very little lifting of the mouse, so I doubt it'd work for everyone.

(http://cdn.overclock.net/0/0c/0ca404f0_Mionix.jpeg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Sat, 12 January 2013, 14:07:30
G5 is my favorite.

Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels  throughout generations of their products.
Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3

Me too, but clicking it is a pain in ass.
True, but it hasn't  been a problem for me since I have never found a reason to use it.

I use it all the time (new tabs in web browser, copying text in X11)... it's also the reason why I prefer CM Storm Xornet, and G9x collects dust in the closet.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Sat, 12 January 2013, 15:01:53
G5 is my favorite.

Currently use the G500, even though it has one of the worst middle mouse button/scrollwheels  throughout generations of their products.
Why? I love the infinity scroll feature :3
I see, I'm sure you could bind one of the side-buttons to do your bidding?
Me too, but clicking it is a pain in ass.
True, but it hasn't  been a problem for me since I have never found a reason to use it.

I use it all the time (new tabs in web browser, copying text in X11)... it's also the reason why I prefer CM Storm Xornet, and G9x collects dust in the closet.

Ahh I see.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ybnrmalatall on Sat, 12 January 2013, 20:09:23
No offence but anyone who games seriously with a laser mouse needs to revamp their thought process

optical
g400
goml xD
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Sat, 12 January 2013, 20:28:04
No offence but anyone who games seriously with a laser mouse needs to revamp their thought process

optical
g400
goml xD
I hate the design and feel of it, I know the g500 has been known to have acceleration issues,
but having compared both while gaming, I haven't found it to be noticeable really.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ybnrmalatall on Sat, 12 January 2013, 20:32:18
No offence but anyone who games seriously with a laser mouse needs to revamp their thought process

optical
g400
goml xD
I hate the design and feel of it, I know the g500 has been known to have acceleration issues,
but having compared both while gaming, I haven't found it to be noticeable really.

all laser mice have multiple issues
some have skipping to a messed up extent
accel
you name it laser mice have it, laser mice are like prostitutes dude, idk how you could touch one for so long
I applaud you
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Sat, 12 January 2013, 20:45:08
all laser mice have multiple issues
some have skipping to a messed up extent
accel
you name it laser mice have it, laser mice are like prostitutes dude, idk how you could touch one for so long
I applaud you
Haha well thank you good sir, if it really is such a big deal though, maybe I ought to pick up another g400 again...
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ybnrmalatall on Sat, 12 January 2013, 21:17:40
all laser mice have multiple issues
some have skipping to a messed up extent
accel
you name it laser mice have it, laser mice are like prostitutes dude, idk how you could touch one for so long
I applaud you
Haha well thank you good sir, if it really is such a big deal though, maybe I ought to pick up another g400 again...
idk how you dont like it
well I did have a mx518 before hand so.. might just be used to it
anyway I would still stay away from laser till they find a decent sensor
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: razorsharpgears on Sat, 12 January 2013, 21:19:38
all laser mice have multiple issues
some have skipping to a messed up extent
accel
you name it laser mice have it, laser mice are like prostitutes dude, idk how you could touch one for so long
I applaud you
Haha well thank you good sir, if it really is such a big deal though, maybe I ought to pick up another g400 again...
idk how you dont like it
well I did have a mx518 before hand so.. might just be used to it
anyway I would still stay away from laser till they find a decent sensor
Yeah have been hoping they come out with a new release for the g500, I just don't like the physical feel/look of the g400.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linuxid10t on Sat, 12 January 2013, 22:21:56
Any Mionix Naos (8200 below) and it's definitely the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. I use a Palm grip and do very little lifting of the mouse, so I doubt it'd work for everyone.

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How is the tracking on it?  I've been using the CM Storm Zero-G and it is so picky about what surface it is on, and I believe the sensor is in the same family.  IDK.  Anyway, I got 2 new mousepads for christmas and neither of them work with mine, and I have been thinking about upgrading.  Got the Mionix Propus 380 and a Func Industries pad.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheQsanity on Sun, 13 January 2013, 05:16:21
Anyone have a g600? What does the side buttons feel like? Rubbercoated plastic? Rubber? What does if feel like a switch? A good membrane or squishy one?

My favorite mouse are most of what I have owned; SS Sensei, g700, Performance MX, MS Intellemouse, newer Dell OEM mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linuxid10t on Sun, 13 January 2013, 05:50:05
Well, ended up ordering the Mionix Naos 3200 on Amazon with the free super saver shipping.  Can't wait until it comes in, but that will be quite a few days.  That being said, it will probably arrive earlier than estimated.  Got to love Amazon.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linkz on Sun, 13 January 2013, 06:48:54
I'm ordering http://www.feenixcollection.com/nascita.html next
Read some good review about it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sun, 13 January 2013, 13:31:15
OMG, Best mouse ever, there needs to be a remake of it. with Teflon feet. I just refurbished my old silver one and it works and feels soo much better than any of my newer mouses.

They get dirty nasty and old but still better than a lot of the new ones!

I thought the recent re-release did have teflon feet?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 13 January 2013, 13:46:46
No offence but anyone who games seriously with a laser mouse needs to revamp their thought process

optical
g400
goml xD
I hate the design and feel of it, I know the g500 has been known to have acceleration issues,
but having compared both while gaming, I haven't found it to be noticeable really.

all laser mice have multiple issues
some have skipping to a messed up extent
accel
you name it laser mice have it, laser mice are like prostitutes dude, idk how you could touch one for so long
I applaud you
You forgot to mention that if someone is happy with their laser sensor, meaning that they don't experience any skipping at their speed, it's fine. They might want to switch to optical if they want to play competitive FPS, but for most other genres it doesn't matter. Going optical to increase performance in something like Dota 2 or SC2 will do nothing. Going optical to get more kills in CoD will do nothing.
Now, I enjoy playing precision fps games and tinkering with mouse settings to get it just right, but for a lot of people and a lot of games this doesn't even matter.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Preach on Sun, 13 January 2013, 18:28:30
My only experiences with mouse is the Razer naga and Logitech G600.

The nagas kept failing on me while the G600 has been running like a champ even with the numberpad chaning colors all the time.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stonejoint on Mon, 14 January 2013, 03:20:10
Zowie am gs very nice sensor. very nice mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 19 January 2013, 22:16:20
All Razers for some reason have pretty high failure rates... It's all over the internet...
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: verbhal on Sat, 19 January 2013, 22:23:28
I've been using a Naga Hex for sometime now. I like it, but haven't found a mouse I truly love yet. I also use a g500. The Hex hasn't failed on me yet, but I know Razer products don't have the best life span. Only a matter of time.

I was on the list to order a Feenix Nascita as well. Received an email saying if I was still interested to email them back within 48 hours. I did and haven't heard from them since. Need to try contacting them again.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linuxid10t on Sun, 20 January 2013, 00:03:12
Alright, finally got my Mionix Naos in.  It takes a little bit to get used to THAT much of a palm grip.  It tracks well with both my Func Industries 1030 and my Mionix Propus 380 (of course.)
Title: Re: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Jocelyn on Sun, 20 January 2013, 00:07:53
Alright, finally got my Mionix Naos in.  It takes a little bit to get used to THAT much of a palm grip.  It tracks well with both my Func Industries 1030 and my Mionix Propus 380 (of course.)

Glad you like it, and YES, you definitely need to be a palm gripper to use any Naos :p
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 20 January 2013, 00:12:55
Alright, finally got my Mionix Naos in.  It takes a little bit to get used to THAT much of a palm grip.  It tracks well with both my Func Industries 1030 and my Mionix Propus 380 (of course.)

Glad you like it, and YES, you definitely need to be a palm gripper to use any Naos :p
yep that design was ripped from the SteelSeries Ikari but it is a good shape
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheQsanity on Sun, 20 January 2013, 04:12:00
I am not too knowledgeable in sensors but I think the SS Sensei (SSS :D) has a smoother feel than the G700. It is also a lot lighter
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 20 January 2013, 05:51:20
I am not too knowledgeable in sensors but I think the SS Sensei (SSS :D) has a smoother feel than the G600. It is also a lot lighter

They use pretty similar sensors, the regular Sensei uses an A9500 I believe, where the G600 uses the A9800. The Sensei MLG edition uses the A9800 as well I think. I haven't done any serious comparison, but in my experience there is no real difference in feel between the 9800 and 9500, so the Sensei being smoother is most likely something of a placebo or a more comfortable dpi setting.
Edit: The sensor in the G700 is even closer to the one used in the regular Sensei, so any difference you feel is most likely placebo.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 21 January 2013, 01:14:57
You are right... and the fat mousefeet. My g700 has thinner aftermarket feet and naturally have less surface coverage. G700 also has a big heavy battery in it so yea. It is pretty much all my preference.  ><
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 21 January 2013, 01:53:50
You are right... and the fat mousefeet. My g600 has thinner aftermarket feet and naturally have less surface coverage. G600 also has a big heavy battery in it so yea. It is pretty much all my preference.  ><
G700 you mean? cause the G600 has no battery....
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 21 January 2013, 02:35:58
Ohhhhh mannn I left it there for like days! Thanks.

Sorry about that.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 22 January 2013, 15:00:21
Quite happy with my Corsair M60.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: codymaust on Tue, 22 January 2013, 15:06:10
I've been using a Logitech m4000 for almost two years now, and I really enjoy it. Small form factor and the nano receiver make it excellent for travelling/packing.

I use it at home and throw it in my bag for work everyday, and then back home again.

I used a G5 for 2-3 years but had to sell all of my desktop gear so that went along unfortunately
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: neuraxis on Wed, 23 January 2013, 13:24:13
The G600 is plagued with tracking issues—I just returned mine after a month of use. It's also not nearly as comfortable/accessible as the Razer Naga.

If you can get past the durability issues and bad Z-axis tracking, the Naga is amazing. So much that I'd now feel uncomfortable going back to a mouse with standard number of buttons.

Only a handful of gaming mice seem to be free of tracking issues at the moment: Razer DeathAdder 3/3.5/2013, Razer Abyssus, Logitech G400 v2, Roccat Savu and CM Storm Spawn.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 23 January 2013, 13:29:23
What about the Steelseries Xai? I use that at home for FPS games when I'm feeling competitive. It's flawless.


Agreed 100% +1 for Naga - I recommend everyone and anyone to use it. Only reason I don't use the Xai full-time is because it lacks a tenkey.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 23 January 2013, 13:30:30
I like my G600 a lot especially the 3rd click
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 23 January 2013, 14:03:01
I like my G600 a lot especially the 3rd click
Same, the entire mouse is brilliant. I really bought it for the shape of it and initially wished there was a version without the G-keys, but I quickly fell in love with it all. Not so good for competitive FPS games and whatnot, but it's fantastic for general computer use and casual gaming.
I am so glad I chose the G600 over the Naga, I've had my hands on a Naga once, and the shape is decent, but the side keys on the G600 feel far better and the mouse in general feels more solid. It's also got a better sensor than most Nagas, not sure about the new one though but that uses Synapse 2.0 so the G600 was an easy choice.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: phetto on Wed, 23 January 2013, 14:16:46
Gonna get the new zowie FK to replace my G400 :P
Title: Re: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 23 January 2013, 14:18:49
The G600 is plagued with tracking issues—I just returned mine after a month of use. It's also not nearly as comfortable/accessible as the Razer Naga.

If you can get past the durability issues and bad Z-axis tracking, the Naga is amazing. So much that I'd now feel uncomfortable going back to a mouse with standard number of buttons.

Only a handful of gaming mice seem to be free of tracking issues at the moment: Razer DeathAdder 3/3.5/2013, Razer Abyssus, Logitech G400 v2, Roccat Savu and CM Storm Spawn.
may i ask what tracking issues your talking about ive never had any trouble with it...

If its that minute bs that you have to test to find, i dont consider that a problem :D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 23 January 2013, 14:48:49
Yeah I had a G600 for a while and thought the tracking was flawless as well. Probably you got a bad G600 dude.
Title: Re: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: neuraxis on Wed, 23 January 2013, 14:52:48
What about the Steelseries Xai? I use that at home for FPS games when I'm feeling competitive. It's flawless.

Agreed 100% +1 for Naga - I recommend everyone and anyone to use it. Only reason I don't use the Xai full-time is because it lacks a tenkey.
The Xai has positive acceleration due to its Avago A9500's sensor, so it's not considered to have flawless tracking.

may i ask what tracking issues your talking about ive never had any trouble with it...

If its that minute bs that you have to test to find, i dont consider that a problem :D
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G600-Mouse-Movement-issues/td-p/863548
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G600-Mouse-Pointer-Delay/td-p/904278
And the Avago A9800's positive acceleration.

All made worse by the G600's non-flashable firmware.

Personally, I "found" all of these without any testing. If you don't game or don't take gaming performance seriously at all, I guess these won't be an issue, but then one has to wonder why you'd even purchase a >$60 gaming mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 23 January 2013, 15:05:04
Boy I'll woop dat ass in scoutzknives, or any other CSS map. WITH my Xai.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 23 January 2013, 15:14:05
What about the Steelseries Xai? I use that at home for FPS games when I'm feeling competitive. It's flawless.

Agreed 100% +1 for Naga - I recommend everyone and anyone to use it. Only reason I don't use the Xai full-time is because it lacks a tenkey.
The Xai has positive acceleration due to its Avago A9500's sensor, so it's not considered to have flawless tracking.

may i ask what tracking issues your talking about ive never had any trouble with it...

If its that minute bs that you have to test to find, i dont consider that a problem :D
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G600-Mouse-Movement-issues/td-p/863548
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G600-Mouse-Pointer-Delay/td-p/904278
And the Avago A9800's positive acceleration.

All made worse by the G600's non-flashable firmware.

Personally, I "found" all of these without any testing. If you don't game or don't take gaming performance seriously at all, I guess these won't be an issue, but then one has to wonder why you'd even purchase a >$60 gaming mouse.
Most laser sensors have either positive or negative acceleration with the PTE being the only exception that I know of, although that has other problems. I've found that, at least for me, I can't use the G600 comfortably at the levels where these issues would actually bother me.
High sensitivity players probably won't notice this at all and low sensitivity players should be using optical anyways due to the higher tracking speeds.
The fact that the G600 doesn't perform optimally in FPS, which is about the only genre where the laser sensor issues are really worth mentioning imo, is rather moot as the mouse is made for MMO use where you can perform just as well with a laptop trackpad.

However, if we take a look at mice like the G9x, G500 and, well, pretty much every high-end gaming mouse, then your points are far more valid. It's sad that the dpi hype means that mice with a great shape like the G9x are not as good as they could have been if not for the idiotic quest for higher numbers.

Edit:
Boy I'll woop dat ass in scoutzknives, or any other CSS map. WITH my Xai.
Nobody ever said acceleration was a bad thing, some people prefer it, the only reason I have an issue with hardware acceleration is that I don't want to be forced to use it. But that's the way it is, as far as I know the acceleration issues are a result of the limitations of the laser technology, although I seem to remember at least one large manufacturer pushing for perfect, or at least better, laser sensors.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: neuraxis on Wed, 23 January 2013, 16:06:45
Most laser sensors have either positive or negative acceleration with the PTE being the only exception that I know of, although that has other problems. I've found that, at least for me, I can't use the G600 comfortably at the levels where these issues would actually bother me.
High sensitivity players probably won't notice this at all and low sensitivity players should be using optical anyways due to the higher tracking speeds.
The fact that the G600 doesn't perform optimally in FPS, which is about the only genre where the laser sensor issues are really worth mentioning imo, is rather moot as the mouse is made for MMO use where you can perform just as well with a laptop trackpad.
Yes, all laser sensors so far have had flawed tracking. I'm not defending laser sensors, and wouldn't use them if it weren't for the Naga being so damn practical in both MMO and FPS. Yeah it has the Z-axis issue, but I hardly ever lift my mouse so I'd rather have that than acceleration.

However, the G600 is deeply flawed, and not just at the levels you mentioned—the pointer snapping issue happened to me regardless of sensitivity or polling rate, and at the worst of times, which alone is a deal breaker. But I'm not trying to persuade anyone it's a bad mouse—I'm just putting my experience out there.

When people buy a mouse they have choices. Choices can be narrowed down by things like tracking quality, so it's still a factor to consider.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 23 January 2013, 19:09:31
I think i might have had the pointer snapping issue but thats it...
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 23 January 2013, 19:22:19
I'm not sure if there's pointer snapping, I haven't tested for it and I usually don't notice it's there as my G400 is an earlier model before the corrected the angle snapping, so far using that over a mouse with a flawless sensor doesn't feel any worse.
Besides, I can't really think of any games where pointer snapping would put you at a disadvantage apart from games like Quake, and I honestly can't see anyone playing an arena FPS like Quake with a G600 to begin with.
It has been argued that angle snapping will generally be an advantage in something like Counter-Strike as it helps you keep your sights straight when turning and most likely won't have an impact on your aim, I find that I mostly agree with that argument.
Though I'll say that I would prefer that this would be an optional feature, but for most people it's not an issue that should make or break the deal, at least not on a mouse like the G600.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 23 January 2013, 19:47:22
I'm not sure if there's pointer snapping, I haven't tested for it and I usually don't notice it's there as my G400 is an earlier model before the corrected the angle snapping, so far using that over a mouse with a flawless sensor doesn't feel any worse.
Besides, I can't really think of any games where pointer snapping would put you at a disadvantage apart from games like Quake, and I honestly can't see anyone playing an arena FPS like Quake with a G600 to begin with.
It has been argued that angle snapping will generally be an advantage in something like Counter-Strike as it helps you keep your sights straight when turning and most likely won't have an impact on your aim, I find that I mostly agree with that argument.
Though I'll say that I would prefer that this would be an optional feature, but for most people it's not an issue that should make or break the deal, at least not on a mouse like the G600.
twas talking about this http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G600-Mouse-Movement-issues/td-p/863548
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 23 January 2013, 19:52:37
Oh, I thought you were talking about angle snapping/prediction. I can't really say much about the issue described in the thread over at Logitech, I haven't had it myself but that doesn't mean nobody has it. If you do have that issue I'd suggest talking to either Logitech or the store you bought it from for an RMA.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: nehkz on Thu, 24 January 2013, 06:11:05
The Logitech G400 and G600.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Rafen on Thu, 24 January 2013, 06:41:09
Deathadder by far. I have tried a couple different mice and I still kept coming back to this one.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: neuraxis on Thu, 24 January 2013, 06:44:21
I'm not sure if there's pointer snapping, I haven't tested for it and I usually don't notice it's there as my G400 is an earlier model before the corrected the angle snapping, so far using that over a mouse with a flawless sensor doesn't feel any worse.
Besides, I can't really think of any games where pointer snapping would put you at a disadvantage apart from games like Quake, and I honestly can't see anyone playing an arena FPS like Quake with a G600 to begin with.
It has been argued that angle snapping will generally be an advantage in something like Counter-Strike as it helps you keep your sights straight when turning and most likely won't have an impact on your aim, I find that I mostly agree with that argument.
Though I'll say that I would prefer that this would be an optional feature, but for most people it's not an issue that should make or break the deal, at least not on a mouse like the G600.
Perhaps "pointer snapping" wasn't a good way to describe it. The cursor doesn't snap to angles, it jerks all the way upward or downward, usually in the heat of the moment when you do a lot of clicking. This got me killed in Team Fortress 2 every time.

Also, I don't share your not seeing anyone using the G600 for an online FPS—there are more who would than you think—or at least I don't see it as a valid argument in favor of the G600. The Razer Naga performs great in online FPS, the thumb grid providing an advantage if mapped intelligently, and the G600 is in direct competition with the Naga, so there's no reason it shouldn't perform just as well.

And keep in mind it's an inherent issue with the mouse's internal memory, and can't be corrected via a firmware update, because for some strange reason Logitech have made it so the mouse doesn't support firmware updates (!)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 24 January 2013, 16:12:39
What I have:
Logitech MX510, MX512, MX518, G5, G400, G700, G9, G9x
Razer Lachesis, SteelSeries Sensei, some cheap OEM stuff I got for free

For OS usage my favorite is the G9 (scrollwheel side-click for switching tabs, yay) with high DPI
For gaming I prefer the MX518 / G400 (and perhaps the Sensei) with very low DPI
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tauburn on Thu, 24 January 2013, 17:49:11
What I have:
Logitech MX510, MX512, MX518, G5, G400, G700, G9, G9x
Razer Lachesis, SteelSeries Sensei, some cheap OEM stuff I got for free

For OS usage my favorite is the G9 (scrollwheel side-click for switching tabs, yay) with high DPI
For gaming I prefer the MX518 / G400 (and perhaps the Sensei) with very low DPI

what purpose is there for having that many?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: scoot on Thu, 24 January 2013, 18:04:40
What I have:
Logitech MX510, MX512, MX518, G5, G400, G700, G9, G9x
Razer Lachesis, SteelSeries Sensei, some cheap OEM stuff I got for free

For OS usage my favorite is the G9 (scrollwheel side-click for switching tabs, yay) with high DPI
For gaming I prefer the MX518 / G400 (and perhaps the Sensei) with very low DPI

what purpose is there for having that many?

Probably the wrong question to ask on a website devoted to the intricacies of keyboards filled with keyboard collectors.
Title: Re: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Jocelyn on Thu, 24 January 2013, 18:07:20
Probably the wrong question to ask on a website devoted to the intricacies of keyboards filled with keyboard collectors.

Lol This^
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 24 January 2013, 20:02:41
Indeed! ;D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: RickyJ on Fri, 25 January 2013, 02:37:28
I got my Spawn today, and like many others I can say that it's great except for a few things that should be improved.  If I could swap in my G9's scroll wheel, I'd be incredibly happy.  I have a fingertip grip, and find that the side buttons are just a bit too far forward for me (but my G9 is also like that, so not a huge deal breaker).  Other than that, very impressed so far!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stingrae on Fri, 25 January 2013, 03:57:32
I had the opposite experience with the spawn, I really liked the scroll wheel and buttons (basically I think they are equivalent if not better than the deathadder's) but it was just too wide.

Anyway gotta say that I like the abyssus a ton! Even more surprising is I accidently got a mirrored edition and liked that also scroll wheel was vastly better than the first one I tried out in 2011...
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 25 January 2013, 05:23:03
What I have:
Logitech MX510, MX512, MX518, G5, G400, G700, G9, G9x
Razer Lachesis, SteelSeries Sensei, some cheap OEM stuff I got for free

For OS usage my favorite is the G9 (scrollwheel side-click for switching tabs, yay) with high DPI
For gaming I prefer the MX518 / G400 (and perhaps the Sensei) with very low DPI

what purpose is there for having that many?
I have quite a few because I like variation. I collect mice that I find interesting, for instance using a RAT 7 is very different from using a Razer Abyssus etc. etc.
It's kind of like keyboards with different form factors and switch types; mice have different form factors and different sensors, and differences in form factor are far more significant in mice than they are in keyboards, at least in my experience.
Also, switching between differently shaped mice has been said to reduce the risk of RSI, which is never a bad thing. Not sure if there's any evidence to support it, but I can't see how it'd make matters worse either way.

As for my mouse addiction; I bought a Sensei today because it was, what, 25% off or something, and I've really wanted one for a while. Only been using it for a couple of minutes, but so far it feels pretty darn good.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Fri, 25 January 2013, 06:23:35
Yes, its always nice to have a choice!
The RAT7 is one I wanna get as well, out of curiosity, but its low on my priority list...
Also wanna try the DeathAdder Black Edition (brings up a lot Q3 Arena memory from back then).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: deltr on Fri, 25 January 2013, 13:24:02
G500 is best!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 25 January 2013, 13:39:04
RAT 7 > Intellmouse Explorer > anything else nice and big > Trackpoint-style > all else.

I need a new RAT 7, but dem Klaxons for 2 keyboards are expensive!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 25 January 2013, 19:12:23
Best - Mionix Naos 5k
Worst- Razer Mamba
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sat, 26 January 2013, 15:18:02
RAT 7 > Intellmouse Explorer > anything else nice and big > Trackpoint-style > all else.

Good god no.

The RAT 7 has the worst skipping problem I've seen in a long time. Any time I even move it slightly fast, the tracking goes all crazy.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Jakus on Sat, 26 January 2013, 19:09:42
The M90, I have big hands and this mouse really helps with that. A lot of smaller mice don't really fit my hand but this one does, and nicely, too. It's really wide which helps. I like the unique way they did the side buttons, and it's overall a good mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: DamienG on Sat, 26 January 2013, 19:44:46
G500 right now, not seen any weirdness apart from when I go off the end of the mousemat onto the glass desk.

G5 is in my backpack, was my primary mouse for several years until I got the G500. I'd opened it up and removed the spring on the wheel when I first purchased it, was glad to see you can toggle that on the G500.

Intellimouse Explorer before that - a giant of a mouse you can rest your whole hand on.

[)amien
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Patchwrks on Sat, 26 January 2013, 22:42:52
G400.  Accurate for what I need (SC2 and Dota 2) and cheap.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: MattBuzzy on Sun, 27 January 2013, 05:02:42
RAT 7 > Intellmouse Explorer > anything else nice and big > Trackpoint-style > all else.

Good god no.

The RAT 7 has the worst skipping problem I've seen in a long time. Any time I even move it slightly fast, the tracking goes all crazy.

What model do you have?, I have the 6400dpi model and it is the best mouse I have ever used, no skipping at all.

I come from using a CM Sentinel and Razer Naga. Both great mice but the RAT 7 is by far the best.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 27 January 2013, 05:12:15
RAT 7 > Intellmouse Explorer > anything else nice and big > Trackpoint-style > all else.

Good god no.

The RAT 7 has the worst skipping problem I've seen in a long time. Any time I even move it slightly fast, the tracking goes all crazy.

What model do you have?, I have the 6400dpi model and it is the best mouse I have ever used, no skipping at all.

I come from using a CM Sentinel and Razer Naga. Both great mice but the RAT 7 is by far the best.
You probably won't experience any skipping as long as you don't play with low sensitivity, most laser mice tend to skip at high speeds, I believe the sensor in the RAT 7 can't handle the same speeds as most other laser sensors, although I could be wrong as I haven't used my RAT for any serious FPS play so I don't actually know.

Edit: Although I believe the sensor in the RAT 7 has no hardware accel, I know there's at least one version of the sensor without, so that's at least something.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: MattBuzzy on Sun, 27 January 2013, 05:17:03
I play at 2000 - 3000dpi myself and it is great. Tracking surface can make a huge difference as well. I just tested low to high the other day and no skipping for me at all.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 27 January 2013, 05:27:32
I play at 2000 - 3000dpi myself and it is great. Tracking surface can make a huge difference as well. I just tested low to high the other day and no skipping for me at all.
If you have a hard pad then issues with the laser sensors will be less noticeable, and at 2-3k dpi you probably won't notice any skipping as most games don't have sensitivity settings low enough to make you move your mouse fast enough to skip at those dpi levels. The newer CS games do go fairly low, though, if you put sensitivity at 0.15 - 0.25 in Source or GO you will most likely notice skipping at 2000dpi if you want to be able to turn reasonably quick. Like I said, though, I haven't tested with my RAT so this is mostly just theorycrafting.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inteli722 on Sun, 27 January 2013, 08:12:37
RAT 7 > Intellmouse Explorer > anything else nice and big > Trackpoint-style > all else.

Good god no.

The RAT 7 has the worst skipping problem I've seen in a long time. Any time I even move it slightly fast, the tracking goes all crazy.

Really? I had my DPI around 3500, and it was just fine. Had to reconnect a few times because it wouldn't track correctly vertically a few times, but eventually, of all the things that could have broken, the cable cut out...  ._.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: bramke on Mon, 28 January 2013, 23:27:03
right now it's ec1

and i tryed almost every well known mouse except cm spawn

having a ss sensei for sale contact me if interested
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 29 January 2013, 01:40:18
What model do you have?, I have the 6400dpi model and it is the best mouse I have ever used, no skipping at all.

I come from using a CM Sentinel and Razer Naga. Both great mice but the RAT 7 is by far the best.

Hmmm... didn't realize they were different models, thought it was just a different box. I have the one that came in the larger box.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 29 January 2013, 06:13:32
What model do you have?, I have the 6400dpi model and it is the best mouse I have ever used, no skipping at all.

I come from using a CM Sentinel and Razer Naga. Both great mice but the RAT 7 is by far the best.

Hmmm... didn't realize they were different models, thought it was just a different box. I have the one that came in the larger box.
I believe there are at least two versions of the RAT 7, I had to RMA mine and the replacement had slightly different packaging I believe and the box of accessories was very different. I've heard rumours that this version of the RAT 7 has slight improvements to the sensor.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inteli722 on Tue, 29 January 2013, 06:26:09
What model do you have?, I have the 6400dpi model and it is the best mouse I have ever used, no skipping at all.

I come from using a CM Sentinel and Razer Naga. Both great mice but the RAT 7 is by far the best.

Hmmm... didn't realize they were different models, thought it was just a different box. I have the one that came in the larger box.

There were 2, one that had a metal case and a 5600 DPI sensor, and one that had a plastic case and a 6400 DPI sensor(released alongside the Albino version)

I personally used (and plan to use once I get moar money) the 6400 DPI version @ 3500 DPI...don't know why (large monitor is 24" 1920x1200 and mini-me is 19" 1440x900...).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 29 January 2013, 12:00:28
Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: CreamyNutButter on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:26:15
Trackballs: Kensington Orbit, Logitech TrackMan Marble
Mice: Intellimouse Explorer 3.0

I haven't tried that many due to not being made of money.  I prefer trackballs to regular mice.  I did not like the Microsoft Trackball Optical one bit, the Mouse-Trak was ill suited to gaming (perhaps it would have been better with high sensitivity) and the middle button was stuck, and the Logitech M570 wasn't as precise or as fun to use as ambidextrous finger operated trackballs.  If I had to use a regular mouse, it would be the Intellimouse 3.0.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linuxid10t on Thu, 31 January 2013, 06:47:11
Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.

If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking.  I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 31 January 2013, 07:10:31
Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.

If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking.  I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Mainian on Fri, 01 February 2013, 12:09:25
I own a Razer Lachesis, R.A.T. 7 (5600), Steelseries Sensei, Zowie Evo EC2 (Smaller one), and logitech g400.

I used the Razer Lachesis for years with no complaints, honestly... i would still be using this mouse if I hadn't worn the **** out of it.

The R.A.T. 7 is horrible in every sense of the word. Obviously the skipping, but I was in serious pain after several hours of use, regardless of how much I messed with it. I believe the main problem is I have no defined grip style anymore, when I used my razer.. it was almost ALWAYS palm. Now I use the steelseries and I switch all the time.

The evo was too small and I could ONLY fingertip grip it. I should have bought the bigger one :(.

I'm returning the logitech g400. I use the side buttons on my mouse for when I play WOW, and the Logitech just doesn't do it for me. The side buttons aren't in the right position for how heavily I use them. (Honestly, I should probably think about rebinding these keys and just using my keyboard.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 01 February 2013, 13:13:30
I own a Razer Lachesis, R.A.T. 7 (5600), Steelseries Sensei, Zowie Evo EC2 (Smaller one), and logitech g400.

I used the Razer Lachesis for years with no complaints, honestly... i would still be using this mouse if I hadn't worn the **** out of it.

The R.A.T. 7 is horrible in every sense of the word. Obviously the skipping, but I was in serious pain after several hours of use, regardless of how much I messed with it. I believe the main problem is I have no defined grip style anymore, when I used my razer.. it was almost ALWAYS palm. Now I use the steelseries and I switch all the time.

The evo was too small and I could ONLY fingertip grip it. I should have bought the bigger one :(.

I'm returning the logitech g400. I use the side buttons on my mouse for when I play WOW, and the Logitech just doesn't do it for me. The side buttons aren't in the right position for how heavily I use them. (Honestly, I should probably think about rebinding these keys and just using my keyboard.

Horrible is in the eye of the beholder. I loved my RAT 7 and plan to buy another, because I found it VERY comfortable.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: thp777 on Fri, 01 February 2013, 22:59:18
my new logitech g600 that i just got in today. replaced my broken naga. its alot more comfortable with big hands. only issue is the gshift button cancels out buttons u are holding so i gotta make a autohotkey script to use that right way.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: spherific on Sat, 02 February 2013, 04:00:39
Steelseries Xai for gaming

Logitech Performance MX for anything else. It is shaped perfectly and comes with recharging built it by connecting a usb cable.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linuxid10t on Sat, 02 February 2013, 05:12:03
Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.

If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking.  I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.

Normally you'd be right.  However, there are some weird tracking issues with those particular model of mice, and they skip if they track at all on hard surfaces.  Why this is, I have no clue, but I have experienced it myself and it seems like a very large proportion of other people have as well.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: akuJIWA on Sat, 02 February 2013, 11:43:04
Getting the Deathadder 2013 soon hopefully, but at the moment, Steelseries Sensei is my favorite mouse. :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sat, 02 February 2013, 17:46:32
Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.

If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking.  I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.

Normally you'd be right.  However, there are some weird tracking issues with those particular model of mice, and they skip if they track at all on hard surfaces.  Why this is, I have no clue, but I have experienced it myself and it seems like a very large proportion of other people have as well.
Weird, I've been using my Lachesis, which I believe has the same sensor, it's at least a 5600dpi PTE, and I've had no skipping or anything on my icemat.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linuxid10t on Sat, 02 February 2013, 18:43:50
Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.

If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking.  I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.

Normally you'd be right.  However, there are some weird tracking issues with those particular model of mice, and they skip if they track at all on hard surfaces.  Why this is, I have no clue, but I have experienced it myself and it seems like a very large proportion of other people have as well.
Weird, I've been using my Lachesis, which I believe has the same sensor, it's at least a 5600dpi PTE, and I've had no skipping or anything on my icemat.

Oddly enough, it seems to be specific to the CM Storm mice. IDK probably firmware related.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sat, 02 February 2013, 19:00:36
Ahhh... I have the 5600 dpi version then. Probably time to sell it off, as I don't really use it due to the skipping.

If you really want to use it, you need a soft surface mouse pad, but that causes problems with clicking.  I'm thinking by far the best pad for it would be CM Storms own Control RX.
I was under the impression that hard surfaces were better for laser.

Normally you'd be right.  However, there are some weird tracking issues with those particular model of mice, and they skip if they track at all on hard surfaces.  Why this is, I have no clue, but I have experienced it myself and it seems like a very large proportion of other people have as well.
Weird, I've been using my Lachesis, which I believe has the same sensor, it's at least a 5600dpi PTE, and I've had no skipping or anything on my icemat.

Oddly enough, it seems to be specific to the CM Storm mice. IDK probably firmware related.
CM Storm? The RAT is made by Mad Catz for Saitek.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: flacman on Sun, 03 February 2013, 04:17:16
I use a Steelseries Sensei.

Absolutely amazing comfort levels. My palm just rests just perfectly on the mouse surface.

Previously used MS Sidewinder X8, Razer Diamondback 3G <--- both semi-terrible mice.

..Did try out the Mionix (RH) Naos 3200/5000 and they too are extremely comfortable.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stingrae on Mon, 04 February 2013, 01:22:39
I use a Steelseries Sensei.

Absolutely amazing comfort levels. My palm just rests just perfectly on the mouse surface.

Previously used MS Sidewinder X8, Razer Diamondback 3G <--- both semi-terrible mice.

..Did try out the Mionix (RH) Naos 3200/5000 and they too are extremely comfortable.
:o diamondback 3g was awesome same sensor as deathadder but had prediction. It was also very cheap compared to say the copperhead which was worse sensor wise.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ajx on Mon, 04 February 2013, 04:56:39
I currently own G700, perfect for my hand grip (~ claw grip), wireless mouse is future of mice gaming. whatever if people still claiming issues from it (latency blabla)
in the other hand, Logitech mices are awesome due to the multi-directional scroll wheel and dual mode scroll wheel.
its not only perfect for gaming but also for desktop stuff.


Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 04 February 2013, 05:27:21
I suspect the new scroll wheel was the source of pain in my index finger. It's too stiff from my experience with M500 and G9x. But yeah, smooth scrolling is awesome.

I'd love to try G500/G600/G700, but neither appears to be available to try before buying locally.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:31:42
As much as I love the Sensei and the Taipan, the DA 2013 might just be the most perfect mouse ever made.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 06 February 2013, 08:13:20
Can anyone comment on how glossy the RAT 7 Contagion is? I wanted the Albino (because it's matte...don't like glossy), but it appears they stopped selling them. If it comes to it, I could get the Red one.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stonejoint on Thu, 07 February 2013, 03:40:45
After my zowie ams cover torn Ive send it for Rma and gettin zowie am fg for replacement. But I found cheap deathader black and ordered will arrive tonight.

Lets see why people like this mouse so much.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: calavera on Thu, 07 February 2013, 03:56:59
Used to be a G9x which was replaced by a CM Spawn. I have small hands so I can't stand mice like Logitech MX 518.

I want to replace it with the new Corsair M65 but can't quite figure out if the size will fit me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Harlequin on Thu, 07 February 2013, 09:23:58
I switched to SteelSeries Kana from Logitech g9x. I had to modify the switches since Kana has TTC switches. I absolutely hated them.
Changed them to Omron Japan switches.

I found g9x bit small for my hand, my hand size is like medium. Now i love Kana but u should modify it if you can't handle the stiff, clicky and hard to click.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Harlequin on Thu, 07 February 2013, 09:28:57
Can anyone comment on how glossy the RAT 7 Contagion is? I wanted the Albino (because it's matte...don't like glossy), but it appears they stopped selling them. If it comes to it, I could get the Red one.

I think R.A.T mice are either love or hate.
Some ppl love it but some ppl hate it. It's also depends on your use of the mouse. Gaming?
And what kind of games do u play?

imo, glossy finish is worse than the matte finish.

I dun think it's worth it. over priced and the quality is actually not that good if u open the mouse.

I would rather use G9X.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Strelok on Thu, 07 February 2013, 09:29:17
Deathadder 3.5G
Most comfortable mouse I've ever used, but I sold mine with my desktop.

I use a ThinkPad Bluetooth mouse with my ThinkPad now, it's pretty nice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: inteli722 on Thu, 07 February 2013, 11:44:25
Can anyone comment on how glossy the RAT 7 Contagion is? I wanted the Albino (because it's matte...don't like glossy), but it appears they stopped selling them. If it comes to it, I could get the Red one.

I think R.A.T mice are either love or hate.
Some ppl love it but some ppl hate it. It's also depends on your use of the mouse. Gaming?
And what kind of games do u play?

imo, glossy finish is worse than the matte finish.

I dun think it's worth it. over priced and the quality is actually not that good if u open the mouse.

I would rather use G9X.

I had the RAT 7, and I loved it. Hence my getting another one. Mine served for a good year with no major issues, and finally died to my fault. I had the matte black. I'm interested in the Red, which is only glossy, but I'd have to see exactly how glossy it is. It was totally worth it for me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stonejoint on Fri, 08 February 2013, 02:41:45
Deathadder is good. But I like shape and weight of zowie am more. Only cons is stiff switches if l can modify them with omrons itll be the beat mouse for me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: verbhal on Fri, 08 February 2013, 03:26:26
Been using a Feenix Nascita for the past couple of days.  Finally got it in after being on the wait list for a while.  I like it.  Is a rather large mouse, which is great though as I have big hands.  Not sure if it is worth the high price, but so far I am enjoying it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 08 February 2013, 17:10:00
Been using a Feenix Nascita for the past couple of days.  Finally got it in after being on the wait list for a while.  I like it.  Is a rather large mouse, which is great though as I have big hands.  Not sure if it is worth the high price, but so far I am enjoying it.
Not worth it, just a rebranded OEM mouse with good marketing behind it from the looks of it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: LifeIsGooD2 on Fri, 08 February 2013, 20:05:09
how small is the zowie ec2 compared to the ec1 ? I love my ec1 but Im wondering if I would like the ec2 better ?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Atakp on Fri, 08 February 2013, 20:38:13
how small is the zowie ec2 compared to the ec1 ? I love my ec1 but Im wondering if I would like the ec2 better ?

Here's a side by side of the ec1 evo on the left and the ec2 evo on the right

(http://i.minus.com/ibuf7vwbf0Z7I3.JPG)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: sleepy916 on Mon, 11 February 2013, 15:53:57
My Logitech G9x, I've been using it for a few years and still going strong.

(http://obsoletegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/The-Logitech-G9x-1.jpg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: p.s. on Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:10:45
Canada Computer has the G9X cod edition for $49.99 till the end of Feb. I just bought 2 for backups.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: gnubag on Mon, 11 February 2013, 19:04:02
i am still using my (i think) 7 year old MX518.
however i am thinking about getting the 2013 deathadder, but it is still super expensive for a student who invests in mechanical keyboards (lol)
also i have some bad experience with razer peripherals.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: LifeIsGooD2 on Mon, 11 February 2013, 20:04:52
EC1 >>>>> deathadder and its not even close
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 11 February 2013, 22:17:01
The Nausica actually has high end internals. There's a review site somewhere where they popped it open and compared it with other mice with the same body. The only issue is you can't freakin' buy it anywhere, even on their own site.
Title: Re: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: p.s. on Mon, 11 February 2013, 23:09:42
Last time I bought 2 mx518s and one of them died within 2 years. The other one is still serving well.

i am still using my (i think) 7 year old MX518.
however i am thinking about getting the 2013 deathadder, but it is still super expensive for a student who invests in mechanical keyboards (lol)
also i have some bad experience with razer peripherals.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: HWI on Fri, 15 February 2013, 00:27:10
Deathadder was my favorite mouse when I used palm grip.
Since switching to finger tip grip I have found the Spawn/Xornet shape to be my favorite.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: nathaniel_h on Fri, 15 February 2013, 19:10:15
I've been using the Corsair M60 a year now, and I'm enjoying it more than my old Logitech Performance MX Pro. (before the new version came out)

One thing is very clear: I find no use for wireless mice. They constantly have to be charged and the heavier weight due to the batteries is just not worth it.  The simple lightweight braided cable on the M60 doesn't get in the way.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Chalky White on Sat, 16 February 2013, 00:28:18
Longtime Deathadder user that jumped shipped late 2012, picked up a SS Sensei although I was somewhat leery of the finish and ambidextrous design. The Sensei is a bit on the high side but definitely worth the premium
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: nathaniel_h on Sat, 16 February 2013, 00:47:18
If you have a grip style other than palm grip, ambidextrous designs tend to work out quite well I think. With my finger-tip grip and my tad bit larger than average hand size, ambidextrous designs fit perfectly for me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: kboardvintage on Sun, 17 February 2013, 16:32:05
i am still using my (i think) 7 year old MX518.
however i am thinking about getting the 2013 deathadder, but it is still super expensive for a student who invests in mechanical keyboards (lol)
also i have some bad experience with razer peripherals.

Mate try the g400. Same as the MX518 with an updated OPTICAL sensor and no prediction.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 18 February 2013, 17:27:19
Just picked up a G400 for FPS games. Should I worry about what surface I use it on? Currently using a Fellows black cloth mat (which seems to work fine with my Naga...)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Mon, 18 February 2013, 19:20:56
Just picked up a G400 for FPS games. Should I worry about what surface I use it on? Currently using a Fellows black cloth mat (which seems to work fine with my Naga...)
Don't worry, should work fine on most surfaces.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Lunartuna on Mon, 18 February 2013, 20:12:30
I've been using a G700 for over a year.

I got annoyed with difference in feel between using it wireless and using it plugged in when charging. The cable that came with it was so thick it was terrible for trying to aim in FPS games. So I bought a very thin USB cable to use with it so it feels like wireless. I use it without the battery in it to make it lighter and put a small piece of electric tape over the flashing red light that indicates the battery is out. I don't even have the wireless receiver plugged in.

Those couple mods made it perfect. I do pretty decent in FPS games with it http://www.planetside-universe.com/character.php?stats=Lunartuna
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 18 February 2013, 20:20:46
I have two G700's. Not a bad mouse - I actually got the G400 because it is considered one of the few mice without sensor flaws;

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2024663
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: LifeIsGooD2 on Tue, 19 February 2013, 20:56:28
I have a Ec1 evo white but I wouldnt mind trying another mouse because I havent tried much else besides deathadders

Is there any other nice Mice that do not need USB drivers ? I love that the EC1 has plug and play so when I go to a LAN I dont need to install anything
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dmbr on Wed, 20 February 2013, 15:28:08
G9x.

 Perfect number of buttons with perfect placement, durability, and feel
 onboard memory
 excellent well-shaped, well-textured grips (I use the super wide-load i-grip)
 side scroll dual mode mouse wheel
 5700 dpi/1000hz polling rate/no prediction laser (the accel issues with this sensor only occur on soft pads--I prefer hard); great macro functionality
 on the fly dpi switching which can be bound to any key
 not too heavy, not to light
 durable, reliable overall build

I've tried many many well-reviewed mice and none have all of the above positives with such an absence of flaws.

Can't wait for the next iteration :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Shinx on Wed, 20 February 2013, 16:27:49
I love my DeathAdder 3.5g, but I want to get started on a new mouse because if my current one goes out I don't want to buy a newer razer and deal with the god-awful drivers. I have no idea where to begin except I don't want any acceleration. Before a 20 page derail/slapfight happens, I actually do notice and care about the accel.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 20 February 2013, 17:53:08
I love my DeathAdder 3.5g, but I want to get started on a new mouse because if my current one goes out I don't want to buy a newer razer and deal with the god-awful drivers. I have no idea where to begin except I don't want any acceleration. Before a 20 page derail/slapfight happens, I actually do notice and care about the accel.
That rules out any laser sensor other than the PTE ones as all other laser sensors have hw accel, although if you're the type that notices the hw accel on laser sensors then I'm guessing you don't want PTE.
Quick list of mice to look at;
Logitech G400
Razer Abyssus
MS IME 3.0
Mionix Naos 3200
CM Storm Xornet

If you like the DA then the G400 and IME 3.0 are both worth a look, if you want a different shape I would recommend the Abyssus as you don't need drivers for it at all, although the shape of the Xornet has also gotten a fair amount of praise.

If you are interested in PTE the Razer Lachesis is the one you'd be looking at, but you said you didn't want Razer so that's out. The only non-Razer mouse with PTE I can think of atm is the R.A.T. mice, but I can't imagine that being the mouse for you.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: compgeke on Wed, 20 February 2013, 19:53:26
I don't really do anything where I need an insane mouse, so I have a couple old ones I love.

1.) Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer, the old grey ones with the red bottom.
And my daily use, as I find the drag of the cable on the desk annoying:
2.) Microsoft Wireless Intellimouse Explorer 2.0. I love it as it doesn't hurt my hand, batteries last around 3 months and it works.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Shinx on Thu, 21 February 2013, 16:50:41
I love my DeathAdder 3.5g, but I want to get started on a new mouse because if my current one goes out I don't want to buy a newer razer and deal with the god-awful drivers. I have no idea where to begin except I don't want any acceleration. Before a 20 page derail/slapfight happens, I actually do notice and care about the accel.
That rules out any laser sensor other than the PTE ones as all other laser sensors have hw accel, although if you're the type that notices the hw accel on laser sensors then I'm guessing you don't want PTE.
Quick list of mice to look at;
Logitech G400
Razer Abyssus
MS IME 3.0
Mionix Naos 3200
CM Storm Xornet

If you like the DA then the G400 and IME 3.0 are both worth a look, if you want a different shape I would recommend the Abyssus as you don't need drivers for it at all, although the shape of the Xornet has also gotten a fair amount of praise.

If you are interested in PTE the Razer Lachesis is the one you'd be looking at, but you said you didn't want Razer so that's out. The only non-Razer mouse with PTE I can think of atm is the R.A.T. mice, but I can't imagine that being the mouse for you.

I can probably get a razer if I knew it didn't come with the god awful drivers. Also,the RAT mice looked amazing but I haven't been able to find anything regarding the sensors in them. I know the RAT 3 has a good sensor but I haven't been able to find anything about the other mice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 21 February 2013, 17:42:04
I love my DeathAdder 3.5g, but I want to get started on a new mouse because if my current one goes out I don't want to buy a newer razer and deal with the god-awful drivers. I have no idea where to begin except I don't want any acceleration. Before a 20 page derail/slapfight happens, I actually do notice and care about the accel.
That rules out any laser sensor other than the PTE ones as all other laser sensors have hw accel, although if you're the type that notices the hw accel on laser sensors then I'm guessing you don't want PTE.
Quick list of mice to look at;
Logitech G400
Razer Abyssus
MS IME 3.0
Mionix Naos 3200
CM Storm Xornet

If you like the DA then the G400 and IME 3.0 are both worth a look, if you want a different shape I would recommend the Abyssus as you don't need drivers for it at all, although the shape of the Xornet has also gotten a fair amount of praise.

If you are interested in PTE the Razer Lachesis is the one you'd be looking at, but you said you didn't want Razer so that's out. The only non-Razer mouse with PTE I can think of atm is the R.A.T. mice, but I can't imagine that being the mouse for you.

I can probably get a razer if I knew it didn't come with the god awful drivers. Also,the RAT mice looked amazing but I haven't been able to find anything regarding the sensors in them. I know the RAT 3 has a good sensor but I haven't been able to find anything about the other mice.
The Abyssus doesn't need drivers, there are physical switches underneath for dpi and polling rate, and no side buttons to configure, so you don't really need drivers for anything. It's a great mouse, I adore mine.
I also have a R.A.T. 7, it's a cool mouse, but it uses the PTE laser sensor, which is the only laser sensor without hardware acceleration, although some find it lacking in other areas. I had problems with my first one, but I RMAd it and got the one with the upgraded sensor as a replacement, I've had no problems with that so far. It's a bit heavy though, so if you use low sensitivity and lift the mouse a lot then you might not like it all that much. Other than that, I've found that the features of the RAT have all been useful, rather than a gimmick like one might fear, although I don't think everyone agrees with me on that.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Shinx on Thu, 21 February 2013, 20:11:16
Thanks for your help so far! Is there a way to tell which RAT 7 has which sensor? There's a store here that sells them physically and I can pick up and look at the box (and probably open them).

(Still may get the Xornet, that mouse looks leet as heck)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Demofly on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:42:29
I've wanted to pick up a Xornet for a while now. But my Deathadder still works great for me since 2009.

I'll probably pick one up if I see it in the classifieds.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 22 February 2013, 04:29:13
Thanks for your help so far! Is there a way to tell which RAT 7 has which sensor? There's a store here that sells them physically and I can pick up and look at the box (and probably open them).

(Still may get the Xornet, that mouse looks leet as heck)
All RAT 7 should have the upgraded sensor, but you're still in doubt the easiest way to tell is to open the box and look at the box of spare parts; if it's a large metal tin it's the old model, if it's a modest size black plastic box it's the improved version. I also believe the packaging is smaller for the improved model, but unless you have the old packaging to compare it doesn't help a lot. Still, I doubt there'll be any of the old ones left.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: leesofi on Fri, 22 February 2013, 09:56:09
Steelseries kinzu and xai.
Its good to me have many sweat in hands. Puhaha
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Shinx on Wed, 27 February 2013, 03:17:44
One last noob question but is the sensor in the Albino R.A.T 7 going to also be acceleration-free? I'll make up for my lack of content posting with pictures once I pick me mouse/R.A.T up.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: larryselina on Wed, 27 February 2013, 03:33:40
Logitech G9
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 27 February 2013, 14:21:21
One last noob question but is the sensor in the Albino R.A.T 7 going to also be acceleration-free? I'll make up for my lack of content posting with pictures once I pick me mouse/R.A.T up.
Yeah, all the R.A.T. 7 mice should have the PTE, the 9 does as well I believe, but I don't know what sensors they use in lower models.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: mechanisch on Wed, 27 February 2013, 23:50:01
Logitech G9

My main mouse is an original Logitech G9.  Many a mouse has come and gone on my desk, both good and bad, but I keep going back to "Old Faithful".  I've rarely had any product last so long and be so durable, much less a computer part.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stingrae on Thu, 28 February 2013, 09:40:36
whoa wanting to make life a bit easier I took a risk and bought what the internet seemed to show as a good relatively unknown mouse with 5 buttons.

I give you my new favourite mouse (well almost), the genius(gx) maurus. It uses the same sensor as the Spawn/Recon/Savu/new RAT 3 etc. an optical avago 3090. The size is like perfect for my small hands. It is roughly the width of the abyssus and roughly the length too (the abyssus is slightly longer). The scroll wheel is smoother rather than tactile but it's not half bad. The top is a glossy plastic finish and the side is a rubberized grip not quite like anything i've felt. It is ambidextrous but it has thumb and pinky support which is pretty decent. Has a braided cord I don't really mind too much.

Pros:
Cheap I got mine for R379 -> £35
Omron main switches
5 buttons
450/900/1800/3500 dpi modes with sensitivity adjustment options
Macros
Good fingertip/palm hybrid mouse
Probably good for claw grippers
The mouse clicks are good
The LED can be switched off


Cons:
Skates the mouse skates scrape along my qck, I figure they will wear down but it's not like razer quality skates.../sad panda
Software: required a few restarts till I got it to actually give me the macros I wanted.
Not too sure on side buttons but they are easy to press
Position of side buttons is fine for the thumb button but the pinky is a bit hard to hit
I don't feel like it's as well built as the cm storm spawn which sadly just was too wide for me.
edit: it is heavier than the abyssus due to added weights not sure I agree with that decision also i'm guessing the screw is under the mousefeet so it's not easy to get the weights out unless you have replacement feet. I still love it though.

All in all I feel for it's price it is the mouse diamondback/krait/abyssus users should choose if their hands are small the RAT 3 with the same sensor is also pretty nice. This is what I wish the kana had been unfortunately I wont even try it because of the non-omron switches and the sensor issues (that have now mostly been solved). It's early days but it seems to be a pretty darn good find/buy. The skates are the worst part for sure...

//side note: I saw this mouse in the store just after I got my abyssus mirror(happy accident, I actually ordered a normal abyssus, I still like it though), I was intrigued because a friend said I should just get a Genius mouse. I checked out the data on the net and was surprised to see a fairly strong set of features. Guess my friend was right I should have got a genius mouse.

Edit: forgot to name mouse -_-
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: singaporean123 on Thu, 28 February 2013, 09:52:10
I can tell you that logitech has probably the best mouse at the best prices. you can often get a good mouse at below $50 on amazon during sales .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Thu, 28 February 2013, 12:53:04
whoa wanting to make life a bit easier I took a risk and bought what the internet seemed to show as a good relatively unknown mouse with 5 buttons.

I give you my new favourite mouse (well almost). It uses the same sensor as the Spawn/Recon/Savu/new RAT 3 etc. an optical avago 3090. The size is like perfect for my small hands. It is roughly the width of the abyssus and roughly the length too (the abyssus is slightly longer). The scroll wheel is smoother rather than tactile but it's not half bad. The top is a glossy plastic finish and the side is a rubberized grip not quite like anything i've felt. It is ambidextrous but it has thumb and pinky support which is pretty decent. Has a braided cord I don't really mind too much.

Pros:
Cheap I got mine for R379 -> £35
Omron main switches
5 buttons
450/900/1800/3500 dpi modes with sensitivity adjustment options
Macros
Good fingertip/palm hybrid mouse
Probably good for claw grippers
The mouse clicks are good
The LED can be switched off


Cons:
Skates the mouse skates scrape along my qck, I figure they will wear down but it's not like razer quality skates.../sad panda
Software: required a few restarts till I got it to actually give me the macros I wanted.
Not too sure on side buttons but they are easy to press
Position of side buttons is fine for the thumb button but the pinky is a bit hard to hit
I don't feel like it's as well built as the cm storm spawn which sadly just was too wide for me.

All in all I feel for it's price it is the mouse diamondback/krait/abyssus users should choose if their hands are small the RAT 3 with the same sensor is also pretty nice. This is what I wish the kana had been unfortunately I wont even try it because of the non-omron switches and the sensor issues (that have now mostly been solved). It's early days but it seems to be a pretty darn good find/buy. The skates are the worst part for sure...

//side note: I saw this mouse in the store just after I got my abyssus mirror(happy accident, I actually ordered a normal abyssus, I still like it though), I was intrigued because a friend said I should just get a Genius mouse. I checked out the data on the net and was surprised to see a fairly strong set of features. Guess my friend was right I should have got a genius mouse.

Is this the Genius Maurus? I've heard some good things about it from other sources.

For a really small Avago 3090 mouse, though, I think I'll stick with my Team Scorpion Zealot Jr.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stingrae on Fri, 01 March 2013, 00:00:00
Is this the Genius Maurus? I've heard some good things about it from other sources.

For a really small Avago 3090 mouse, though, I think I'll stick with my Team Scorpion Zealot Jr.

It is sorry forgot to clearly name it :) and that team scorpion zealot jr. looks pretty cool =). I was surprised to see an old company like genius come up with a good quality gaming mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: S2000Gan on Fri, 01 March 2013, 20:34:54
Only mouse i've ever owned:
WMO 1.1a

Would probably like a IEM 3.0 seeing as its the same mouse with 2 thumb buttons.

Thinking of getting either a Razer Mamba or a Steel Series Sensei.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 01 March 2013, 22:03:04
Got a Nascita in the mail today. Ye shall be judged!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: noons on Sun, 03 March 2013, 10:39:27
I love my G500.. The price I paid for it helped as well, I think it was only $30 on sale on amazon. Very comfortable and great for gaming.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 03 March 2013, 14:21:27
My favourite mouse by far is the Qpad 5K. It's a mouse that nobody ever really mentions, but it is by far the comfiest mouse I have ever used. I've tried most of the mice offered by Logitech, as well as mice by Razer and many other brands, and to me the Qpad is so much better than any of them.

(http://www.qpad.com/uploads/images/products/Mouse/5K/400px-5K.jpg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Sun, 03 March 2013, 15:41:41
For me, my favorite mouse can not have any acceleration or prediction, and has to track well on cloth. So laser mice are out basically. I also tend to prefer simple ambidextrous mice. They should be light with an evenly distributed weight. The scroll wheel should be easy to use and does not need to have side-scrolling and things like that. i also value durability. Aesthetically, I like simplicity.

Some of my favorite mice are:
-Zowie AM and FK
-WMO 1.1
-Logitech MX518 & G400 (best for me among ergonomic mice)

The best shape and look , for me, goes to the Steelseries Sensei. If only it had a better sensor.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: cannedlemons on Sun, 03 March 2013, 21:35:31
I like the Sensei but for some reason I also like my G300 just for my own reasons haha. But for looks I like my Deathadder but overall my sensei is in between for all my likes :D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: kealokian on Sun, 03 March 2013, 22:00:32
I recently picked up a Mionix Naos 8200.
Most comfortable mouse I've ever used.
It's an excellent product.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ducatisteve on Mon, 04 March 2013, 07:37:10
It's sad, but my favorite is the Apple Magic Mouse.  The multi-touch gestures that work with my MBA are really handy.  For gaming I use a Logitech G700.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Mon, 04 March 2013, 11:45:14
Yeah, a lot of people don't like the MM because it's not very ergonomic, but combine it with BetterTouchTool, and it's quite possibly the mouse practical pointing device I've ever used.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dimamantra on Tue, 05 March 2013, 22:54:19
Alright, have to weight in here.

I have a Razer Deathadder and I think it is the one of the best gaming mice out there. Number one reason is that I have big hands (I am 6 feet 5 inches tell) and since this mouse is a little bigger than others it fits my hand nicely when I play Battlefield 3.

I would buy this exact mouse again when my current one finally wears out.

That is all  :D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: jksteger on Wed, 06 March 2013, 13:59:32
i'm sporting the Logitech G500 myself...

j.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Lunartuna on Wed, 06 March 2013, 16:39:04
I recently picked up a Mionix Naos 8200.
Most comfortable mouse I've ever used.
It's an excellent product.

I'm considering this as a replacement if my G700 ever dies.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 06 March 2013, 23:23:48
Not too impressed with the Nausita. All the DPI settings are preset, so you cannot adjust them to your exact liking, it's really heavy, the middle mouse button has these stupid side clicks so when you middle mouse down you get like 3 clicks, and the thing is so slippery it's impossible to lift. Regret thy name is Feenix. Guess I'll be going back to my Mionix.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tricheboars on Fri, 08 March 2013, 01:55:02
Razer Deathadder Black Edition. That is what I am using now. I love the weight and feel of the plastic and the large thumb buttons. having them as back and forward on the browser is amazing.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: kealokian on Fri, 08 March 2013, 22:07:48
I recently picked up a Mionix Naos 8200.
Most comfortable mouse I've ever used.
It's an excellent product.

I'm considering this as a replacement if my G700 ever dies.

It comes highly recommended from this guy =D
I still can't get over how comfortable it is.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 09 March 2013, 00:27:48
Well, after having used a bunch of mice (G9x, Deathadder, Taipan, G700, G400), I've finally settled on the Razer Taipan. So, yea... that's my favorite one.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sat, 09 March 2013, 01:27:59
It's a sick ass mouse. Been swapping back and forth between the taipan and the da 2013 for the past month.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 09 March 2013, 01:32:00
Yeap... the narrow shape is a little awkward in regular desktop use, but when I start to game with it, it almost feels like it disappears. Ie., it just gets out of your way, which, in my eyes, is a good thing.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: codyeatworld on Sat, 09 March 2013, 01:46:27
I have used the Monix, Rocat Savu, Rocat Kone XTD, and I'm about to try out the deathadder black edition.
I have not found a wired mouse I like. The Monix was weird in my hand, and the rocat had a few tracking and scrolling problems.

So hopefully the deathadder is nice, I am always reluctant to buy razer products.

I've been using my wireless logitech performance mx for a few years and its holding out really well.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 09 March 2013, 01:56:33
Anyone remember the Krait? That was a solid mouse right there. I took that thing camping a few times, got filled with dirt and sand, some burns on it and it still worked like it did on day 1. Oh Razer, what happened to your QA?
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sat, 09 March 2013, 02:46:51
There's a Krait 2013, which is essentially a smaller Taipan with less buttons. Apparently it's pretty awesome, but it's not in the US market. Gotta get it off eBay
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 09 March 2013, 04:44:22
There's a Krait 2013, which is essentially a smaller Taipan with less buttons. Apparently it's pretty awesome, but it's not in the US market. Gotta get it off eBay
I really don't trust modern Razer design. The best products I've ever owned from them were the Boomslang(had for 6 years, took a pitbull puppy to kill it) and Krait(rain, mud, fire, and sand the thing still worked) both of which are older models. I purchased a Mamba, which is hands down the worst mouse I've ever owned for a myrid of reasons, and a black widow who's switches decided to stop responding to input. They replaced both(Razer) but the point that it happened at all still stands.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 10 March 2013, 03:38:04
I really don't trust modern Razer design. The best products I've ever owned from them were the Boomslang(had for 6 years, took a pitbull puppy to kill it) and Krait(rain, mud, fire, and sand the thing still worked) both of which are older models.

So true I use to have the original (still the BEST mouse ever created) Boomslang which worked beautifully on any surface.  The housing was nice and firm with solid buttons that always worked regardless if they were drenched in sand (yes I played with it outside in the sand-pit), the mouse still worked regardless.

Shame they gave up on the original design which was perfect for my large ape hands.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 10 March 2013, 03:50:13
Yea. I do remember Razer (during the time of the Boomslangs) having a rep for decent quality mice. They almost ran out of business, IIRC, at one point, and when they started getting re-invested by other partners, was when the quality of their mice started going downhill (this was around the time of the original Deathadder I believe).

But, I have to admit the Razer Taipan's build quality is actually not bad. Its plastic feels more sturdy than previous Deathadders (not the 2013), and Imperators I've tried. I've also read the 2013 Deathadder having better build quality than the previous generations.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sun, 10 March 2013, 11:44:37
The DA 2013 and Taipan are two of the best mice I've ever used. I honestly never had a problem with Razer mice. It's everything else that sucks.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 11 March 2013, 11:36:39
The DA 2013 and Taipan are two of the best mice I've ever used. I honestly never had a problem with Razer mice. It's everything else that sucks.
I have no problem with Razer's build quality. I had the deathadder when I was about 9-11 years old, and it was great then since my hands were small.. However, now I always find razer mice to be far too small. I've tried all of them and not a single one is comfortable for me. I had, and in fact still have lying around somewhere, a blackwidow which was a solid keyboard. The gloss sucked though.
Saying 'everything else sucks' is silly. I've got a qpad 5k now and it's the best mouse i've ever used, and I've tried a hell of a lot of mice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Mon, 11 March 2013, 18:47:04
I think he's referring to everything else, in the Razer line.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 11 March 2013, 18:49:46
I think he's referring to everything else, in the Razer line.
My bad. I misread.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 12 March 2013, 02:58:47
DeathAdder when you were 9 - 11? Jesus, how old are you? I was 27 when they came out :-\ Young'ns up in here
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 12 March 2013, 03:18:46
DeathAdder when you were 9 - 11? Jesus, how old are you? I was 27 when they came out :-\ Young'ns up in here
I'm 15. Maybe I was a little younger or older when I had the deathadder... I can't recall exactly when I had it. I just remember it was too small by the time I was 12.
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: badcop on Tue, 12 March 2013, 08:34:26
i had a wireless g7 for years that i loved but ended up replacing it with a g9.  its been serving me pretty well but i'm still looking for something else.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Tue, 12 March 2013, 13:36:51
Received a WMO 1.1A today. The shape and build quality are far from perfect, but good enough—actually, it feels much more solid than my dad's IME. Even though I prefer high sensitivity, this might be my favorite mouse for left-handed use.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Tue, 12 March 2013, 19:58:23
Well, as an update to my mouse search, I returned the Taipan, and purchased a G400 instead. While I absolutely loved the narrow/slim form factor of the Taipan, I wanted at least some ergonomics. And while I could have gone for something like a Deathadder or G700, I also wanted some resemblance of a slim/narrow form factor.

So, I thought the G400 was a nice middle ground, and I'm actually quite happy with it so far. It isn't as bad as I remember/expected it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 16 March 2013, 01:12:13
Man... I gotta say. I just had a session with Crysis 3, and I'm not digging the ergonomics of the G400 for FPS play. It could be something that's going to take getting used to, and other people may very well not have problems with it themselves, but... I just don't like it.

What are people's thoughts on the G400 for FPS's? That said, what are some other good mice for FPS's in terms of ergonomics?

I'll still be heading out to Fry's to check out other mice, though. The G400 was only $29, so I have no problem writing it off as a loss.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stingrae on Sat, 16 March 2013, 04:26:15
Man... I gotta say. I just had a session with Crysis 3, and I'm not digging the ergonomics of the G400 for FPS play. It could be something that's going to take getting used to, and other people may very well not have problems with it themselves, but... I just don't like it.

What are people's thoughts on the G400 for FPS's? That said, what are some other good mice for FPS's in terms of ergonomics?

I'll still be heading out to Fry's to check out other mice, though. The G400 was only $29, so I have no problem writing it off as a loss.

Just because something claims to be ergonomic doesn't make it so. Just like someone telling you bananas are good for you and you not really having a good reaction to them.

I tried a G400 and it was too big for my hands, would have cramped them terribly. I am far more comfortable with my Genius Maurus and flatter thinner mice (like the lachesis, diamondback, rat3 and abyssus). People like the G400/mx518 for FPS but mostly that's because it has a really good sensor however there are plenty of mice with good sensors so finding one that fits is much easier like the Savu, Deathadder, Recon, new RAT 3. It is however a personal thing the people that praise the G400 probably haven't needed to try anything else myself not having big hands meant I had to try quite a few mice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sat, 16 March 2013, 12:19:58
Yeah, it really depends on your hands. I have pretty big hands, long fingers and such, and find the G400 to be very comfortable for pretty much any kind of play, but only fingertip/claw grip. I can't palm it because my hands are too wide.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Shinx on Mon, 18 March 2013, 02:23:06
Auugh the R.A.T 7 has bad acceleration issues. Just when I got used to the grip too :( I'll be seeking out another DA3.5g unless I can find a good mouse that doesn't have acceleration in it. I think the Zowie ec eVo doesn't but I can't find any information anywhere.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stingrae on Mon, 18 March 2013, 03:26:09
Auugh the R.A.T 7 has bad acceleration issues. Just when I got used to the grip too :( I'll be seeking out another DA3.5g unless I can find a good mouse that doesn't have acceleration in it. I think the Zowie ec eVo doesn't but I can't find any information anywhere.

That's odd seeing as it uses the phillips twineyes that are only really famous for their z-axis issue.

Are you sure you don't have it turned on somewhere like not applying the registry fix?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Mon, 18 March 2013, 05:00:28
Auugh the R.A.T 7 has bad acceleration issues. Just when I got used to the grip too :( I'll be seeking out another DA3.5g unless I can find a good mouse that doesn't have acceleration in it. I think the Zowie ec eVo doesn't but I can't find any information anywhere.

That's odd seeing as it uses the phillips twineyes that are only really famous for their z-axis issue.

Are you sure you don't have it turned on somewhere like not applying the registry fix?
Yeah, the RAT 7 uses the PTE sensor which is the only laser sensor with no hardware accel. If you've got accel issues then you need to check your windows/driver/game settings.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Mon, 18 March 2013, 11:56:20
Or he could have an older model. I believe the 1st run of the RAT 7 had a phillips twin-eye, but I could be mistaken.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Mon, 18 March 2013, 16:07:52
Or he could have an older model. I believe the 1st run of the RAT 7 had a phillips twin-eye, but I could be mistaken.
All RAT 7 models have had the acceleration-free PTE, but the 1. gen had a 5600dpi version whereas the newer models have a slightly improved 6400dpi PTE sensor.
At least that's what I've gathered.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Mon, 18 March 2013, 16:30:33
Interesting. I never knew the PTE didn't have acceleration. I guess I just had naturally assumed all laser sensors had accel, given all of Avago's laser sensors do.

Which mice use the PTE sensor? Now I know the Rat 7 does, but IIRC so does the Razer Mamba?

That said, I actually ordered a Steel Series Sensei MLG Edition just yesterday (before I found out about the PTE sensor, unfortunately). I will write my impressions on it soon.

Daerid, what are your opinions on the Steel Series Sensei, and how does it compare to the Deathadder and Taipan in terms of ergonomics? Also, is its hardware accel noticeable/a problem? Finally, I heard there are problems with it not starting up when restarting the computer, but that might be specific to the MLG edition only; did you experience that, too?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stingrae on Mon, 18 March 2013, 16:48:15
Interesting. I never knew the PTE didn't have acceleration. I guess I just had naturally assumed all laser sensors had accel, given all of Avago's laser sensors do.

Which mice use the PTE sensor? Now I know the Rat 7 does, but IIRC so does the Razer Mamba?

That said, I actually ordered a Steel Series Sensei MLG Edition just yesterday (before I found out about the PTE sensor, unfortunately). I will write my impressions on it soon.

Daerid, what are your opinions on the Steel Series Sensei, and how does it compare to the Deathadder and Taipan in terms of ergonomics? Also, is its hardware accel noticeable/a problem? Finally, I heard there are problems with it not starting up when restarting your computer, but that might be specific to the MLG edition only; did you experience that, too?

Razer's previous generation of mice apart from abyssus and deathadder 3.5g were all twin eye (lachesis, tron, mamba, naga, imperator). While it's not plagued by acceleration I wouldn't be too quick to grab it as the sensor suffers from a z-axis error where each lift will place the cursor down diagonally to the right each time. So if you don't lift a mouse fine but I found it too annoying.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Mon, 18 March 2013, 19:24:34
Interesting. I never knew the PTE didn't have acceleration. I guess I just had naturally assumed all laser sensors had accel, given all of Avago's laser sensors do.

Which mice use the PTE sensor? Now I know the Rat 7 does, but IIRC so does the Razer Mamba?

That said, I actually ordered a Steel Series Sensei MLG Edition just yesterday (before I found out about the PTE sensor, unfortunately). I will write my impressions on it soon.

Daerid, what are your opinions on the Steel Series Sensei, and how does it compare to the Deathadder and Taipan in terms of ergonomics? Also, is its hardware accel noticeable/a problem? Finally, I heard there are problems with it not starting up when restarting your computer, but that might be specific to the MLG edition only; did you experience that, too?

Razer's previous generation of mice apart from abyssus and deathadder 3.5g were all twin eye (lachesis, tron, mamba, naga, imperator). While it's not plagued by acceleration I wouldn't be too quick to grab it as the sensor suffers from a z-axis error where each lift will place the cursor down diagonally to the right each time. So if you don't lift a mouse fine but I found it too annoying.
Afaik the Abyssys and DA 3.5G are a generation older than the mice you listed, along with the original Lachesis. Although the Lachesis got a refresh where it got the new scroll wheel, multicolour LEDs and the 5600dpi PTE.

Also, to fuzzybazzy; I use a lot of mice with with sensors similar to the Sensei(Avago 9500-9800 series), including the Sensei, and the hardware acceleration has never been an issue for me. Even in precision FPS like Counter-Strike.
I have the non-MLG edition, no restart issues so far, it's been brilliant.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stingrae on Tue, 19 March 2013, 01:48:02
Interesting. I never knew the PTE didn't have acceleration. I guess I just had naturally assumed all laser sensors had accel, given all of Avago's laser sensors do.

Which mice use the PTE sensor? Now I know the Rat 7 does, but IIRC so does the Razer Mamba?

That said, I actually ordered a Steel Series Sensei MLG Edition just yesterday (before I found out about the PTE sensor, unfortunately). I will write my impressions on it soon.

Daerid, what are your opinions on the Steel Series Sensei, and how does it compare to the Deathadder and Taipan in terms of ergonomics? Also, is its hardware accel noticeable/a problem? Finally, I heard there are problems with it not starting up when restarting your computer, but that might be specific to the MLG edition only; did you experience that, too?

Razer's previous generation of mice apart from abyssus and deathadder 3.5g were all twin eye (lachesis, tron, mamba, naga, imperator). While it's not plagued by acceleration I wouldn't be too quick to grab it as the sensor suffers from a z-axis error where each lift will place the cursor down diagonally to the right each time. So if you don't lift a mouse fine but I found it too annoying.
Afaik the Abyssys and DA 3.5G are a generation older than the mice you listed, along with the original Lachesis. Although the Lachesis got a refresh where it got the new scroll wheel, multicolour LEDs and the 5600dpi PTE.

Also, to fuzzybazzy; I use a lot of mice with with sensors similar to the Sensei(Avago 9500-9800 series), including the Sensei, and the hardware acceleration has never been an issue for me. Even in precision FPS like Counter-Strike.
I have the non-MLG edition, no restart issues so far, it's been brilliant.

Imperator, abyssus and deathadder 3.5g launched around the same time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razer_USA#Comparison_of_Razer_mouse_devices)

Lachesis v1 shipped near the salmosa but yes I should have specified that I meant the v2 version.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Tue, 19 March 2013, 03:53:41
vun: Gotcha. Thanks for LMK.

I honestly tried a bunch of other mice that used the Avago Laser sensors, too, like the G9x, and the Logitech G700, and I never had a problem with acceleration, either. I also know a lot of high level Starcraft 2 pros use mice using the same sensors, too - for instance, I know Taeja uses the G9x, and both MVP and MC use the Sensei. Then again, these are RTS games, so maybe it might be different with FPS's.

Regardless, I just thought I'd ask for more opinions. =P Thanks again for letting me know.


Also, I miss the Lachesis A LOT. I know the Taipan tries to follow a similar form factor, but the Lachesis was just... it was something different than all the other mice out there. Something about its shape made me want to whoop ass in games. Definitely one of the mice I most regret returning.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 19 March 2013, 07:48:18
vun: Gotcha. Thanks for LMK.

I honestly tried a bunch of other mice that used the Avago Laser sensors, too, like the G9x, and the Logitech G700, and I never had a problem with acceleration, either. I also know a lot of high level Starcraft 2 pros use mice using the same sensors, too - for instance, I know Taeja uses the G9x, and both MVP and MC use the Sensei. Then again, these are RTS games, so maybe it might be different with FPS's.

Regardless, I just thought I'd ask for more opinions. =P Thanks again for letting me know.


Also, I miss the Lachesis A LOT. I know the Taipan tries to follow a similar form factor, but the Lachesis was just... it was something different than all the other mice out there. Something about its shape made me want to whoop ass in games. Definitely one of the mice I most regret returning.
I'd suggest you see if you can grab a Lachesis now if you want one, the newest version seems to be on the way out of stores atm, at least here in Norway.

Edit:
Thanks for the fact check stingrae, I just went off of the timeline I have in my head. I didn't know the Mamba and Naga models are that old. Apparently Razer hasn't made anything interesting for years now, apart from the Ouroboros.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Tue, 19 March 2013, 12:36:41
^ vun, yea. That was the exact same thought that crossed my mind as I wrote my last post (about the lachesis). I might actually pull the trigger, we'll see.


Daerid: Hey dude! What are your opinions on the Sensei? Any accel issues for you? How are the ergonomics?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:50:20
Wow... so I just got my Steel Series Sensei MLG edition, and I like it, a lot. In terms of ergonomics, I have to honestly say it's pretty much perfect. It's exactly what I was looking for. It lets me have a nice, comfortable claw-grip, yet it still has a (relatively) narrower body, compared to something, let's say, a Deathadder and/or G9x.

It certainly has a shape similar to the WMO, but all the criticisms I had of the WMO are actually all gone. It's the perfect mouse for claw-gripping. 

I can't speak for the sensor, though. I just haven't had enough time with the mouse, nor do I have enough gaming expertise and/or experience to really know if the mouse has acceleration issues. Meh. So far, I've had no problems. I think it's a keeper!
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Atakp on Fri, 22 March 2013, 18:55:51
Wow... so I just got my Steel Series Sensei MLG edition, and I like it, a lot. In terms of ergonomics, I have to honestly say it's pretty much perfect. It's exactly what I was looking for. It lets me have a nice, comfortable claw-grip, yet it still has a (relatively) narrower body, compared to something, let's say, a Deathadder and/or G9x.

It certainly has a shape similar to the WMO, but all the criticisms I had of the WMO are actually all gone. It's the perfect mouse for claw-gripping. 

I can't speak for the sensor, though. I just haven't had enough time with the mouse, nor do I have enough gaming expertise and/or experience to really know if the mouse has acceleration issues. Meh. So far, I've had no problems. I think it's a keeper!

As long as you like the feel of the mouse and you don't notice the acceleration then I'd say use it and enjoy it. Not that you are, but I think a lot of people worry about the acceleration issue when it doesn't really have any effect on their normal use
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Demofly on Fri, 22 March 2013, 23:16:14
I have yet to find my favorite mouse. I don't think it exists.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tauburn on Sat, 23 March 2013, 00:07:50
how can there be so many replies when the only correct answer is g400
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Jocelyn on Sat, 23 March 2013, 00:17:09
how can there be so many replies when the only correct answer is g400

Any mouse without onboard memory is a no go for me :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 23 March 2013, 00:21:55
Whoops. Nevermind. I think I'll return this and maybe get the Taipan instead.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 23 March 2013, 00:37:26
Or jeez, maybe I'll actually keep the Sensei. I can't make my mind!!!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Atakp on Sat, 23 March 2013, 00:43:55
Or jeez, maybe I'll actually keep the Sensei. I can't make my mind!!!

What about the sensei makes you unsure whether you like it or not?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 23 March 2013, 02:15:23
I don't know. I do sense a bit of fatigue after using the mouse a bit. So it's either keeping this Sensei, getting the Taipan, or Deathadder. Or maybe one of the Nagas (Hex or the new original).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tauburn on Sat, 23 March 2013, 12:15:25
g400
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Jocelyn on Sat, 23 March 2013, 12:30:09
g400

no onboard memory  :(
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tauburn on Sat, 23 March 2013, 21:38:13
g400

no onboard memory  :(

g400 anyway
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Jocelyn on Sat, 23 March 2013, 22:08:01
g400

no onboard memory  :(

g400 anyway

lol <3
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Henkers on Sun, 24 March 2013, 14:40:01
The two mice I have used enough to form an opinion are:

Deathadder:

I honestly think the worst thing about the deathadder has nothing to do with the mouse itself, and more with people at LAN parties calling you a Razer fanboy. I am not a huge fan of Razer, but my Deathadder is almost three years old and other then some wear on the braided cord (damaged from rubbing against edge of desk for past few years). I have had absolutely no problems with the mouse itself and would recommend it for the price you can find online, idk about in retail stores though.

Logitech G500:

I have used my friends G500 several times playing games at his house. I love the form of the mouse. My hand rests very comfortably on it. Like my previous opinion I think there are no cons to buying the product in comparison to other mice of a similar price. I do think the mouse is hideous, but it works really well and is very comfortable.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Mon, 25 March 2013, 00:53:56
Wait... people call you a Razer fanboy at LAN parties? For using a DeathAdder? The mouse that was for years quite literally the best of the best?

Noobs.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dimamantra on Mon, 25 March 2013, 01:00:52
Wait... people call you a Razer fanboy at LAN parties? For using a DeathAdder? The mouse that was for years quite literally the best of the best?

Noobs.


I would argue that it still is the best of the best.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Tue, 26 March 2013, 22:56:22
Yea... I just got the Taipan again. I'm returning the Sensei!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:36:02
Yes, its always nice to have a choice!
The RAT7 is one I wanna get as well, out of curiosity, but its low on my priority list...
Also wanna try the DeathAdder Black Edition (brings up a lot Q3 Arena memory from back then).

So, finally I got the DeathAdder Black Edition, and now I remember why I liked it that much, K/D climbing like whoa... ^__^
Granted, it sucks that you have to create a account to even install the driver, but this mouse is imo worth the additional hassle!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: t2russo on Mon, 01 April 2013, 22:06:05
So, finally I got the DeathAdder Black Edition, and now I remember why I liked it that much, K/D climbing like whoa... ^__^
Granted, it sucks that you have to create a account to even install the driver, but this mouse is imo worth the additional hassle!

Are you using the "legacy" drivers or Synapse?  I had complaints about Synapse and went to a Sensei, but couldn't get used to it.  Running the legacy drivers and getting rid of that Synapse crap (probably McRip effect but whatever...) is the closest nostalgic feeling to my old DA, and I'm quite content.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 01 April 2013, 23:38:09
So, finally I got the DeathAdder Black Edition, and now I remember why I liked it that much, K/D climbing like whoa... ^__^
Granted, it sucks that you have to create a account to even install the driver, but this mouse is imo worth the additional hassle!

Are you using the "legacy" drivers or Synapse?  I had complaints about Synapse and went to a Sensei, but couldn't get used to it.  Running the legacy drivers and getting rid of that Synapse crap (probably McRip effect but whatever...) is the closest nostalgic feeling to my old DA, and I'm quite content.

The Synapse crap...
No problems so far, even running it parallel with the Logitech counterpart and having 3 mice connected at once.

EDIT:
One thing that bothers me tho is that both software eat around 70MB RAM,
not because it makes me run out of RAM (got 16GB) but because it seems highly inefficient,
especially seeing how all my other "add-on" driver software combined (5) doesn't even need such amounts!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 02 April 2013, 11:50:07
Reading through this thread I'm going to have to branch out a little, I've only ever used Logitech mice.

I know the G700 isn't everyone's favorite but I have had very good success with it.

I definitely prefer using it wireless and use it about 10 hours a day and rarely does the battery show as being low and it has never died on me yet.

I have all the buttons programmed for text inputs for a program I use for works, saves me tons of time.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Abacus1234 on Tue, 02 April 2013, 13:25:31
Logitech mice are certainly my favorite. I really like the G9x and the G400. They are both superb and I still think better than anything else out there. I really don't want to the g9x update as much as some people do, because I'm afraid they are just going to be the same mouse with some dumb 20k dpi sensor that has a lot of acceleration. The laser in it now is pretty good. I think a G9x with the g400 optical sensor would be my dream mouse. I really like having onboard memory.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Nask on Tue, 02 April 2013, 13:41:25
Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0
Razer DeathAdder
Steelseries XAI
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 02 April 2013, 13:55:23
Call me kooky, but I use Synapse 2.0 without a problem *shrug*
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Abacus1234 on Tue, 02 April 2013, 14:03:47
Call me kooky, but I use Synapse 2.0 without a problem *shrug*

I've never had an actual "problem" with synapse. As far as I can tell, it is working as intended. Unfortunately I like having some onboard memory on my mice, so that I can take them from one computer to the next without having to constantly install synapse. It's almost like having DRM for your mouse. I just think it's a bad idea. I would not mind synapse if they offered it alongside normal standalone drivers, and included at least enough onboard memory to store one profile worth of settings.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Jocelyn on Tue, 02 April 2013, 14:06:47
...I like having some onboard memory on my mice, so that I can take them from one computer to the next without having to constantly install synapse.
This^
It's almost like having DRM for your mouse.
It is having DRM for your mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: t2russo on Tue, 02 April 2013, 15:26:00
I really want to try the Zowie EC-1 for the plug and play.  I run my Deathadder at 1800 dpi, so I think the 2000 dpi Zowie setting would be fine for me?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 02 April 2013, 15:34:26
Call me kooky, but I use Synapse 2.0 without a problem *shrug*
There's no practical issue with Synapse, maybe apart from excessive RAM usage, as I've said several times before the problem people are having is one of principle.
Razer taking away onboard memory on mice which should have it to be on par with competition, but instead they decide to go for a bloated driver that requires you to create an account, something you shouldn't have to do.
It's the same thing that people have been raging about for ages now in gaming; having to be online to play your singleplayer game.
I do have Synapse on my laptop and it works alright, but the old DA driver was better, I just haven't gotten around to fixing that since my laptop sees little use.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: numerus on Tue, 02 April 2013, 16:07:20
at moment i m using Logitech G9x... but soon i m going to buy Zowie FK.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Explosivo on Tue, 02 April 2013, 18:09:45
My all time favorite is the MX518. (I don't have the G400... waiting on the butt ugly G400s)
I was using the MMO7 and actually loved it but because of its tracking issues, plus the fact that one of the 15 or so buttons took a dump, I went back to the 518 while the MMO7 is getting replaced under warranty.
It's been a pleasure revisiting this mouse.
The 518 just won't die on me and is beyond comfortable in my hands. For those reasons, it gets my vote.
An MX518/G400s with a Dpad-style button below the 2 thumb buttons would be my idea of the perfect mouse.

I also use the G600 on one of my other PC's and also love that mouse. I haven't gamed with it but I can easily see it being a great gaming mouse. Oddly comfortable considering how it looks anything but comfortable. The 12 buttons on the side aren't nearly as confusing or counter intuitive as I feared they might be.
On my laptop I use the G700. It serves its purpose but I wasn't a fan of using it for gaming. There needs to be more of a separation between the top and bottom row of thumb buttons in my opinion (for gaming anyway). A good mouse though.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Wed, 03 April 2013, 12:42:41
I don't understand the DRM argument (although I definitely agree about the on-board memory), I've used all my Synapse 2.0 mice fine without it installed. It's essentially just cloud-sync.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 03 April 2013, 15:23:31
I don't understand the DRM argument (although I definitely agree about the on-board memory), I've used all my Synapse 2.0 mice fine without it installed. It's essentially just cloud-sync.
Yeah, good luck configuring the mouse without Synapse. If you get the newest Naga you'll need synapse to get some actual use from it. Not so much with the other mice, you could probably use those driverless fairly ok.
I haven't done much testing on this myself, but it seems that an online connection is only required for when you install Synapse and never after that. Like you say; not much of a problem in practice, but it's completely unnecessary and a step in the wrong direction. Actually, considering how they use it to justify pulling onboard memory it is not only a step in the wrong direction, it's a leap.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Rare on Wed, 03 April 2013, 18:55:13
Definitely the G400. Such an amazingly solid mouse. It feels great, the sensor is great, it's just great. God tier.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Wed, 03 April 2013, 21:53:35
Yeah, good luck configuring the mouse without Synapse. If you get the newest Naga you'll need synapse to get some actual use from it. Not so much with the other mice, you could probably use those driverless fairly ok.
I haven't done much testing on this myself, but it seems that an online connection is only required for when you install Synapse and never after that. Like you say; not much of a problem in practice, but it's completely unnecessary and a step in the wrong direction. Actually, considering how they use it to justify pulling onboard memory it is not only a step in the wrong direction, it's a leap.

Yeah, I pretty much only use at most 5 buttons these days... but agreed 100% about not having any on-board memory. That's just a cop-out, and they still charge the same price as the models with memory.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: GeorgeStorm on Fri, 05 April 2013, 16:04:46
Loving my current mouse, a Zowie EC1 Evo :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Abacus1234 on Fri, 05 April 2013, 20:18:15
I have been using CM Storm Recon for a few days now, and I think this may be my new favorite mouse. I have been using laser sensors for a while, but I have just come to realize that optical sensors are really superior for a lot of gaming situations. So yeah, I've switched to optical, and this mouse has a great sensor and great ergonomics.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 06 April 2013, 02:48:47
Well... this is my second Taipan where it's having issues with the body creaking, whenever clicking the main mouse buttons. I'm going to determine whether I should roll the dice with a third one, or just move onto something else. I do know it's Razer, though... so, we'll see.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: 003 on Sun, 07 April 2013, 18:45:53
Razer Boomslang CE 2007

(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/razer-boomslang-ce-03.jpg)

(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/razer-boomslang-ce-04.jpg)

Unfortunately, I love this mouse and it is by far my favorite. Why do I say unfortunately? Because it was a limited production of 10,000 units, and are next to impossible to find now. When they are found, they are either damaged or very expensive.

I personally own three of them, one I use and the other two new and unused, in case mine ever breaks.

The mouse itself has the same sensor as the DeathAdder 3G, widely considered to be one of the best, if not the best sensor ever made. Unlike some Razer mice, the construction is extremely solid, and has a titanium shell. At the same time, it is shockingly light weight. I love the shape of this mouse. I have big hands, and it is absolutely perfect. I am sad that it is not produced anymore.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 07 April 2013, 21:05:46
Razer Boomslang CE 2007
Unfortunately, I love this mouse and it is by far my favorite. Why do I say unfortunately? Because it was a limited production of 10,000 units, and are next to impossible to find now. When they are found, they are either damaged or very expensive.

Yes it was the BEST Razor mouse ever created or likely to be ever created.  The crap produced by them now is a sad joke on current fanboys who despite losing their money on broken/damaged Razer products, still defend the company as the greatest that has ever existed.  Much like Apple Fanboys  :)) they lose all logic and reasoning.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sun, 07 April 2013, 21:53:23
Every Razer mouse I've ever used has been rock solid. :shrug:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PointyFox on Sun, 07 April 2013, 22:16:42
I have been using CM Storm Recon for a few days now, and I think this may be my new favorite mouse. I have been using laser sensors for a while, but I have just come to realize that optical sensors are really superior for a lot of gaming situations. So yeah, I've switched to optical, and this mouse has a great sensor and great ergonomics.

How is optical superior?
Title: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Mon, 08 April 2013, 01:30:32
Not entirely certain how it is now, but for quite a few years there optical mice had superior tracking to laser. Much more accurate and reliable.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Abacus1234 on Mon, 08 April 2013, 01:58:32
I have been using CM Storm Recon for a few days now, and I think this may be my new favorite mouse. I have been using laser sensors for a while, but I have just come to realize that optical sensors are really superior for a lot of gaming situations. So yeah, I've switched to optical, and this mouse has a great sensor and great ergonomics.

How is optical superior?

There is currently no laser sensor that has no acceleration. Even when you "disable" it in the software, there is still some inherent in the sensor. I can actually feel the difference in a mouse with a "perfect" sensor. That is to say, has no acceleration or prediction.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Mon, 08 April 2013, 04:21:13
I have been using CM Storm Recon for a few days now, and I think this may be my new favorite mouse. I have been using laser sensors for a while, but I have just come to realize that optical sensors are really superior for a lot of gaming situations. So yeah, I've switched to optical, and this mouse has a great sensor and great ergonomics.

How is optical superior?
No hardware accel and they can track at higher speeds, and they seem to be cheaper than laser as well.

Also, Abacus1234, there is a laser sensor with no accel; the Philips Twin Eye sensor is completely accel-free, although it has it's own share of issues.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: linuxid10t on Thu, 11 April 2013, 22:29:10
I have been using CM Storm Recon for a few days now, and I think this may be my new favorite mouse. I have been using laser sensors for a while, but I have just come to realize that optical sensors are really superior for a lot of gaming situations. So yeah, I've switched to optical, and this mouse has a great sensor and great ergonomics.

How is optical superior?
No hardware accel and they can track at higher speeds, and they seem to be cheaper than laser as well.

Also, Abacus1234, there is a laser sensor with no accel; the Philips Twin Eye sensor is completely accel-free, although it has it's own share of issues.

No kidding, it sure has its share of issues.  Poor tracking, moving while clicking, slow on soft surfaces, etc.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: csloan1218 on Thu, 11 April 2013, 22:44:12
I have been using my g9x since my last build, and it has served me well.

I still remember my logi mx518, that was a great mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PointyFox on Sat, 13 April 2013, 14:16:42
Does anyone know if the CM Spawn still has trouble with caps lock  and the firmware?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Wed, 17 April 2013, 14:35:18
While waiting for Zowie Mico to appear in the mail, I've given WMO 1.1 one more chance... and I'm starting to like it, only with my laptop though. 400 dpi sort of works with WXGA (but it's a pain on anything above that, I strongly prefer medium to high sensitivity), and I'm digging the textured surface and very light wheel (quite the opposite of logitech's smooth one).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: hashish on Wed, 17 April 2013, 17:16:38
The MX518 was a solid mouse. I love the feel of the buttons, they seemed pretty soft compared to the mice I have now. Too bad it was a bit too small for me.

I have a logitech MX1000 that is wireless. I wish it were wired, then it would be the perfect mouse IMO.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: BearHug on Sat, 20 April 2013, 15:45:38
Right now its the Steelseries Sensei, might try a zowie mouse soon though
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: JPG on Sat, 20 April 2013, 16:06:15
My new favorite mouse is the deathadder 2013. I had many mouses over the years. My first real good mouse was a logitech mouseman dual optic. Incredible mouse with left side button just at the right place. The, after many other mouses I did not like, I got a razer naga hex. It's a good mouse, feels great, but my hands are a little too long and since I use a claw or half-claw grip (hard to tell, but no palm for sure), well my left thumb was on the other sides of the six buttons on the left of the mouse instead of on the center of them as it is supposed.

So after searching for a new mouse that would fit better with my hand and grip, I decided to try the deathadder 2013 and I am very satisfied with it. First, the new materials feels very nice, kinda grippy and sandy at the same time. Also, the shape of the mouse (same as old deathadder, but my first one so can't compare) is almost perfect for my hand. Found the right position on it after 1-2 hour only. Finally, the sensor is really amasing. Very hight precision and no problem at all yep.

Overall, I would recommend this mouse for anyone, unless you have small hands and don't palm!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Neal on Sun, 21 April 2013, 13:04:33
G9x hands down. Should buy a new one again, mine is beaten up. Using a Feenix Nascita atm.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Vintage on Sun, 21 April 2013, 13:27:37
Had my Steelseries Sensei RAW for a week or so and I think its pretty awesome. So much more accurate than my old mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lucifurburch on Sun, 21 April 2013, 14:05:34
i love my rat 7 (not the version with the dogey sensor)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bencze on Sun, 21 April 2013, 14:50:46
Interesting how there's several Intellimouse Opticals on the first page then nothing.
For me it's the same old story, had one of these, lasted 4 years, then I tried a few but liked none / broke down too fast / etc... so I bought 2 from China / ebay. Not sure if it's original, or even which version it is, but it feels and works fine.
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Post by: csloan1218 on Sun, 21 April 2013, 15:36:04
G9x hands down. Should buy a new one again, mine is beaten up. Using a Feenix Nascita atm.

I found them on sale if you don't mind the logo. Of course you could always use your old grips.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42520.msg857234#msg857234
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Post by: Neal on Sun, 21 April 2013, 17:03:25
G9x hands down. Should buy a new one again, mine is beaten up. Using a Feenix Nascita atm.

I found them on sale if you don't mind the logo. Of course you could always use your old grips.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42520.msg857234#msg857234
Used it without grip for months, pretty good. Thats an insanely good price! Whoa, shame its in US though. Don't think its worth it for me.
Plus, this mouse costs quite a bit. Might as well use it, never buying v1 products again after this though.
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Post by: Toad1677 on Tue, 23 April 2013, 12:50:07
I love using my Cybrog RAT 7. Best mouse I've ever used. All the adjustability  and interchangeable parts are amazing
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Post by: Dreamre on Fri, 26 April 2013, 14:28:47
Love my Logitech Anywhere mouse :D.
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Post by: Kayliss on Sat, 27 April 2013, 05:40:27
I'm really liking my G700s after using for a little over a week. Much nicer fit for my hand than my old G9 and certainly feels much nicer than the 2013 Deathadder which got all of 5 mins use before being put away in the spares box.
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Post by: lazerpointer on Thu, 16 May 2013, 11:36:58
Newly baptized Mionix Naos 3200 convert here. Just got it today. Excellent mouse - perfect amount of buttons and very comfortable to hold. Very precise action as well.
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Post by: Flyersfan1 on Thu, 16 May 2013, 11:52:23
I have been using a Logitech g600, I thought it might be good for the MMORPG gaming I do, but I haven't really liked it too much.  I think i'm going to switch to the g400 while they're still around.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Asininity on Sun, 19 May 2013, 21:09:14
I really do like my Deathadder. It fits my hand really well.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 19 May 2013, 22:22:30
I think i'm going to switch to the g400 while they're still around.

Relax the G400 series will be around for a long time yet.  They (logitech) will be releasing an updated version soon, which looks like only a change of Graphics that I've noticed, on the rodent itself.

But the mechanicals should still be the same.  Unless someone knows exactly what new sensor is attached to the G400?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 19 May 2013, 22:28:55
Interesting how there's several Intellimouse Opticals on the first page then nothing.

I still have TWO Intellimouse Ball Rodents in my possession.

YES, they are still using the ancient big ball that needs to be cleaned every week or so but I still love using them.  Both were Made in Mexico and are quite old compared to the newer stuff which is all Made in China these days.

Although my Mexican's are still working beautifully with no problems whatsoever, the Omron Japanese Switches are perfect.  In fact they are STILL my all time favourite Rodents along side the Razer Boomslang.

It's a pity no company makes Quality Mice any more instead of only concentrating on swish Graphics and Poor Internals.  If a Company would go back to the old days and start using better plastics and switches you would get a flood of customers.  All the current manufacturers seem to think is that people are stupid and easy to fool with so-called "NEW" rodents flooding the market (same old, same old)  >:( .
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Post by: daerid on Sun, 19 May 2013, 23:29:54
Relax the G400 series will be around for a long time yet.  They (logitech) will be releasing an updated version soon, which looks like only a change of Graphics that I've noticed, on the rodent itself.

But the mechanicals should still be the same.  Unless someone knows exactly what new sensor is attached to the G400?

It's already released (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104838) and available (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/dp/B00BCEK2LA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369024052&sr=8-1&keywords=G400s).

AFAIK it's an upgraded sensor, but not sure how. I know the G500 went from 5700 dpi to 8200 dpi, not sure what the G400 -> G400s is gonna  be.
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Post by: Elrick on Sun, 19 May 2013, 23:45:02
It's already released (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104838) and available (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/dp/B00BCEK2LA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369024052&sr=8-1&keywords=G400s).

AFAIK it's an upgraded sensor, but not sure how. I know the G500 went from 5700 dpi to 8200 dpi, not sure what the G400 -> G400s is gonna  be.

Thank you for that.  When you live out in the middle of nowhere then certain products always seem to dodge you but I'm glad they released something.

Hope it's better than what was replaced.  By the way, you guys in America should thank your lucky stars for having Amazon and Newegg the ONLY stores to really buy decent stuff from.  There's nothing like that here in Convict Town  :( .
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Post by: Atakp on Sun, 19 May 2013, 23:46:56
It's already released (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104838) and available (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/dp/B00BCEK2LA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369024052&sr=8-1&keywords=G400s).

AFAIK it's an upgraded sensor, but not sure how. I know the G500 went from 5700 dpi to 8200 dpi, not sure what the G400 -> G400s is gonna  be.

The G400s went from 3600 to 4000 dpi
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sun, 19 May 2013, 23:52:57
It's still optical though, right? If they made it laser they're going to have people storming their offices with torches and pitchforks.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 20 May 2013, 00:04:18
If they made it laser they're going to have people storming their offices with torches and pitchforks.

Would love to see that happen on Logitech's premises  :)) .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Atakp on Mon, 20 May 2013, 00:07:13
Ya it's still an optical mouse. It just has different graphics, texture, and I think different switches for mouse 1 and 2.

If anyone from logitech even suggests changing the g400 to laser they should be fired on the spot. Plus they already have the G500 which is a very similar shape with a laser sensor.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SeriouSSpotS on Tue, 21 May 2013, 06:46:52
1. logitech mx518

2. G500
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Tue, 21 May 2013, 20:19:47
I just ordered myself a g400 from amazon.  I see the g500 is getting a lot of love around here, I hope I didn't make the wrong selection!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: pichu23 on Tue, 21 May 2013, 20:21:13
SteelSeries Sensei Non-Raw
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Post by: nathairtras on Tue, 21 May 2013, 22:24:59
MS Trackball Explorer, until I find something better.  Which could be when it dies, because a working trackball is better than a dead one.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 21 May 2013, 23:07:39
I just ordered myself a g400 from amazon.  I see the g500 is getting a lot of love around here, I hope I didn't make the wrong selection!

You did not. I'd take the G400 over the G500 any day of the week. The sensor is waaaaay better.
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Post by: davkol on Tue, 21 May 2013, 23:57:18
I've been thinking about trying a G400/G500/G600/G700 a lot recently, but Logitech have gone crazy with pricing in the meantime. For example, G400 was available for about 33 EUR until three weeks ago, now it's usually ~45 EUR, and I've heard G400s will cost about 60 EUR!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: calavera on Wed, 22 May 2013, 02:53:12
Does anyone have the Corsair M65? I'm thinking of replacing my CM Spawn with it. I loved the CM Spawn for it's size, grip, and price. I could either get a new CM Spawn, or pay twice as much for a Corsair M65. I use claw grip and prefer smallest size possible (hence CM Spawn being perfect for me.)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: habitualapse on Wed, 22 May 2013, 03:11:03
Love my Logitech Anywhere mouse :D.
I'm with you.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tooki on Wed, 22 May 2013, 07:10:37
(Bearing in mind that I'm not a gamer.) My current favorite is the Performance Mouse MX, which also has the Darkfield sensor that works on everything, but in a "mainstream ergonomic" shape. (That said, due to RSI, the mouse is mostly idle. At home and work I use a Magic Trackpad with my left hand.)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Thu, 23 May 2013, 04:47:11
I was wondering why an optical sensor is preferred over a laser? is that just for gaming? the g500 and now the g500s has suited me fine for non gaming usage or so I think. am I missing anything?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 23 May 2013, 05:31:10
I was wondering why an optical sensor is preferred over a laser? is that just for gaming? the g500 and now the g500s has suited me fine for non gaming usage or so I think. am I missing anything?

Laser sensors have hardware acceleration, which can mess up precision for a lot of people, even those used to acceleration as the hw accel is inconsistent and unpredictable.
They also tend to fail tracking at lower speeds, so if you play at low sensitivity and swipe your mouse a lot you risk getting incosistent movement with a laser sensor, although I don't know how much of an issue this is with newer laser sensors.
Basically people don't like laser because it adds flaws and very little else.

And yes, choice of sensor is mostly for gaming as no other computer operation I can think of requires that amount of precision. If you don't play games or only casual games then sensor is largely irrelevant, the only thing you need to concern yourself with is "will this sensor work on my mouse surface", although this is also less of an issue than it used to be. If you've got a standard cloth pad then you don't really have to worry about it, but if you've got a glass pad or something similar then you may find that some mice don't like it very much.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Thu, 23 May 2013, 05:38:23
I just ordered myself a g400 from amazon.  I see the g500 is getting a lot of love around here, I hope I didn't make the wrong selection!


I do not think you did. The g400 has the better sensor without acceleration. It is less picky about the surface it uses, it is not as heavy as the G500 (which you can add weights to, lolwut?) and the weight is more evenly ditributed. It does not have a sensor that is placed towards the front instead of being centered, which affect how the cursor respond to wrist movement. It also does not have the annoying wobbly scroll wheel that is almost impossible to use in a gaming situation (hard to click without accidentally left and right scrolling etc.).

All in all, I would say you made a good decision.

I was wondering why an optical sensor is preferred over a laser? is that just for gaming? the g500 and now the g500s has suited me fine for non gaming usage or so I think. am I missing anything?

Almost all modern sensors have enough DPI and a high enough max tracking speed to satisfy even very demanding gamers. So what really matters is the accuracy and reliability of the sensor. This is where the optical sensor shines, though it is not as quantifiable that you can advertise with it on the box (like 8000+ DPI regardless of how useless it is to 95% of consumers). Both newer laser and optical sensors typically do not have prediction. However, all current laser sensors have acceleration to an extent. People differ in how much they are bothered by this, and some claim that if it is consistent, you can adjust to it. However, why deal with it in the first place? I think it is telling that sponsored teams practically refuse to use their sponsors flagship models (typically heavy laser mice) , going as far as using mice from the sponsor that are not even currently in production anymore. Laser mice are almost non-existent in the competitive scene. I thought it was pretty notable that one of the members if NIP's Counter Strike team (sponsored by Steelseries) listed the Sensei as his mouse, but that has since been adjusted and changed to the Ikari optical....

Laser sensors typically also have more issues when used on different surfaces. When the Avago ADNS 9500 came out, there were a lot of complaints about negative acceleration on cloth pads. Newer incarnations of the sensor in mice like the Sensei may have gotten rid of this issue, and the newer 9800 sensor may have gotten rid of it completely ( I am not sure), but for now I will just stick with optical sensors until such issues have been addressed for sure.

One thing to note is that these issues generally become more apparent as you use a lower sensitivity, relying on large fast and accurate swipes (flick shots and the like). These tend to really amplify and expose the problem. If you are a person playing Starcraft 2 on high sensitivity, none of this will be an issue for you.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Thu, 23 May 2013, 05:40:03
thanks. the sensei and xai will not work on my fav pad. the g500/s works fine. I use a tablet for autocad and photoshop anyways. I was always amazed that the most demanding computing task is gaming. well besides particle acceleration :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: GON on Thu, 23 May 2013, 05:55:46
I use M905 most often. This small sensitive wireless mouse is the best one for me. ;)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Thu, 23 May 2013, 06:01:41
Does anyone have the Corsair M65? I'm thinking of replacing my CM Spawn with it. I loved the CM Spawn for it's size, grip, and price. I could either get a new CM Spawn, or pay twice as much for a Corsair M65. I use claw grip and prefer smallest size possible (hence CM Spawn being perfect for me.)

A "clan" mate of mine uses the M60. If you are satisfied with the spawn, why would you replace it? (generally for me it is hard to find mice I like, hence I stick with the same one for as long as possible). The sensor in the spawn (ADNS 3090 I think) is generally regarded as superior to the one Corsair uses in their mice. So i am not sure why you would pay twice as much. Corsair also has a history of driver issues for their gaming peripherals, though those may be resolved by now.

But then again, a lot of what makes a good mouse is how the shape fits your hand. If you think the M65 would be perfect for you then maybe you should give it a try.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Thu, 23 May 2013, 06:36:56
it is strange that the top of the line mice from every gaming company is laser. right now the 9800. I have no clue what that is about. I like the shape of the g500/s but I guess that is all that matters in my case since I am not gaming. I hear it is a piece of junk for gamers though. who will buy the ouroboros for $160 when the deathadder is better.....
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 23 May 2013, 09:55:58
it is strange that the top of the line mice from every gaming company is laser. right now the 9800. I have no clue what that is about. I like the shape of the g500/s but I guess that is all that matters in my case since I am not gaming. I hear it is a piece of junk for gamers though. who will buy the ouroboros for $160 when the deathadder is better.....

They use laser in their top mice because it's more advanced and lets them put higher numbers on the box, it also allows for more features, like adjusting lift-off distance and stuff. Basically it's easier to get people to pay a lot for a mouse if it's got a laser sensor, optical is better but it's also cheaper and less exciting.

Side note; as a collector I do want to get my hands on the Ouroboros, but yeah, I get your point, while the Ouroboros is a fancier mouse and I would like one myself, it's not something I would recommend to anyone who's not a collector.
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Post by: take on Thu, 23 May 2013, 14:56:11
G500. Perfection.
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Post by: 4LI4Z on Thu, 23 May 2013, 17:48:26
Zowie FK, perfect shape and optical sensors for the win!
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Post by: Goodfella on Thu, 23 May 2013, 18:56:27
g700, all day, erryday
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Thu, 23 May 2013, 21:34:53
since I don't game I would really like the ouroboros. also as a collector. I see them on ebay, is that bs?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: calavera on Thu, 23 May 2013, 22:44:51
Does anyone have the Corsair M65? I'm thinking of replacing my CM Spawn with it. I loved the CM Spawn for it's size, grip, and price. I could either get a new CM Spawn, or pay twice as much for a Corsair M65. I use claw grip and prefer smallest size possible (hence CM Spawn being perfect for me.)

A "clan" mate of mine uses the M60. If you are satisfied with the spawn, why would you replace it? (generally for me it is hard to find mice I like, hence I stick with the same one for as long as possible). The sensor in the spawn (ADNS 3090 I think) is generally regarded as superior to the one Corsair uses in their mice. So i am not sure why you would pay twice as much. Corsair also has a history of driver issues for their gaming peripherals, though those may be resolved by now.

But then again, a lot of what makes a good mouse is how the shape fits your hand. If you think the M65 would be perfect for you then maybe you should give it a try.

Didn't know about the inferior sensor. Hmm, I just wanted to try something new.
My current CM Spawn is showing its age, nasty peals everywhere because I've had it since it first released.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Fri, 24 May 2013, 03:08:30
What's the story with the Ouroboros? Wasn't it released very recently? Did Razer just all of a sudden decide to stop production of it? If so, why?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Fri, 24 May 2013, 04:23:16
i so want the ouroboros.

i use the g500/s and have liked them for a long time. the g700/s is nicer. getting it hooked up and keeping it charged is too much hassle. other mice are better with getting/staying charged at least.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 24 May 2013, 04:28:44
since I don't game I would really like the ouroboros. also as a collector. I see them on ebay, is that bs?
I would be very careful with ebay and mice, there are loads of Razer fakes around, if it's too good to be true it probably is. The Orouboros is pricey, but with Razer I would always recommend buying from a trusted source. If you want to make sure you get a real one from eBay you're probably going to have to pay as much as from a better source anyways, the moment the eBay price is significantly lower is when you've gotta start worrying about fakes.


What's the story with the Ouroboros? Wasn't it released very recently? Did Razer just all of a sudden decide to stop production of it? If so, why?
Production isn't stopped, at least not afaik as it's still available here in Norway.
But at that price I'm guessing it's done poorly compared to it's main competitor, the RAT 7, which is quite a bit cheaper.
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Post by: typo on Fri, 24 May 2013, 04:39:19
point well taken. it was china. could be real though. since it is on sale still in many countries. not the us currently. leads me to guess about a certification issue or something.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Fri, 24 May 2013, 05:39:39
Does anyone have the Corsair M65? I'm thinking of replacing my CM Spawn with it. I loved the CM Spawn for it's size, grip, and price. I could either get a new CM Spawn, or pay twice as much for a Corsair M65. I use claw grip and prefer smallest size possible (hence CM Spawn being perfect for me.)

A "clan" mate of mine uses the M60. If you are satisfied with the spawn, why would you replace it? (generally for me it is hard to find mice I like, hence I stick with the same one for as long as possible). The sensor in the spawn (ADNS 3090 I think) is generally regarded as superior to the one Corsair uses in their mice. So i am not sure why you would pay twice as much. Corsair also has a history of driver issues for their gaming peripherals, though those may be resolved by now.

But then again, a lot of what makes a good mouse is how the shape fits your hand. If you think the M65 would be perfect for you then maybe you should give it a try.

Didn't know about the inferior sensor. Hmm, I just wanted to try something new.
My current CM Spawn is showing its age, nasty peals everywhere because I've had it since it first released.

I hear ya. I get the urge to upgrade as well every now and then. I went through a phase where I tried all kinds of different mice, only to find out (after spending too much money) that the plain, light ambidextrous mice that I had always been using were actually the most comfortable for me. So I spent about 150-200 dollar only to come full circle and use a WMO 1.1 again... Though I sold most of the mice I had so it was not a total loss.

Since then I moved on to the Zowie FK. Mainly because someone let me try his Sensei and I LOVE the shape of that thing. So when an optical mouse with a kind of similar shape came out I was all over it. The shape is not the exact same, but this is still one of the more comfortable mice I have used. The best thing I can say about a mouse is that I forget about it when using it.  I also tried the Zowie AM , bu thought it was too narrow for me. I still have it for sale if anyone is interested.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Fri, 24 May 2013, 11:26:55
I also tried the Zowie AM , bu thought it was too narrow for me. I still have it for sale if anyone is interested.

I thought the AM was wider than the FK for some reason? Their site says the AM is /\, while the FK is \/

Also, are you interested in any trades for the AM? I've always wanted to try a Zowie mouse, and I have big hands so I think the AM would be better for me than the FK.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Sat, 25 May 2013, 05:14:59
I just wanted to tell you guys the sensei hosed my os. of course ymmv. after I got all those bsods I told you guys about. now my power saving does not work at all. I guess I will be reinstalling.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sat, 25 May 2013, 11:58:50
I highly doubt it was directly the sensei. It may have exposed the problem, but it's unlikely it was the source.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Sun, 26 May 2013, 08:08:10
I am sorry. it was indeed not just the sensei. I read the memory dumps carefully. the xbox 360 controller uses a conflicting base memory location.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Sun, 26 May 2013, 12:13:36
Wow. You'd think in 2013 Windows would have it's **** together and be able to resolve that without hosing the system.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 26 May 2013, 14:37:05
Wow. You'd think in 2013 Windows would have it's **** together and be able to resolve that without hosing the system.

Purely anecdotal, but; I've had my X360 controller plugged in alongside loads of different pointing devices, including the Sensei, and it's never caused me any issues.
I don't think it's a case of "if you plug in both a Sensei and a 360 controller **** will hit the fan", there's got to be something else to it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Johan on Sun, 26 May 2013, 15:58:52
So the CM spawn is really highly recommended for people with a fingertip or clawgrips, The Xornet is the follow up right? Its on sale on my local store, so I might pick one up if Its any good.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 26 May 2013, 16:04:03
So the CM spawn is really highly recommended for people with a fingertip or clawgrips, The Xornet is the follow up right? Its on sale on my local store, so I might pick one up if Its any good.
The Xornet seems to be a budget version of the Spawn, as from what I've heard the Spawn is still available in the US so it doesn't seem to be the successor. The Spawn has better internals, but there's nothing really wrong with the Xornet either, and at that price it's a fantastic mouse. I picked one up recently and it's been great. Feels very solid and works flawlessly, despite being one of the cheapest gaming mice on the market.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PointyFox on Sun, 26 May 2013, 17:16:05
I just bought a Spawn, didn't get it yet though.  Amazon is offering a $10 rebate on it right now.  I hope they fixed the problems with caps lock and ventrillo.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Mon, 27 May 2013, 06:41:29
I had a question. if you do not turn off a wireless non-rechargeable mouse when you are done will it kill the batteries straight away?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Tue, 28 May 2013, 15:26:30
Interesting overview. Can not completely agree. I mean, for one , you can not dismiss how the shape of a mouse works for your playstyle or anatomy. Also, plenty of players in well-known Counter Strike pro teams use mice that are not even on this list (Ikari optical for example, though probably mostly because of sponsorship). Still though, there is some truth to it. Out of these, I am now using the Zowie FK. But my favourite shape is the Sensei. I have used the WMO 1.1 more than anything else.

(http://puu.sh/2WrJX.png)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 28 May 2013, 15:36:53
Well whaddya know, a mouse chart that has some sense to it. Still, I feel that all those mouse charts are far too arrogant and are only relevant for those looking to play competitive FPS.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Tue, 28 May 2013, 15:50:06
Well whaddya know, a mouse chart that has some sense to it. Still, I feel that all those mouse charts are far too arrogant and are only relevant for those looking to play competitive FPS.

Yeah I kind of agree. And even then, a lot of people get by with a lot of mice that are not on that list. But when you are looking at purely the quality of the sensor, there is some sense to the chart I think. But like you said, it is kind of an arrogant "mouse purist" stance they are taking in that chart.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Tue, 28 May 2013, 15:54:44
I find those charts rather stupid, that's why I don't really analyze them.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: IPT on Tue, 28 May 2013, 15:56:40
thing is lots of people buy into the marketing and the aesthetics of the mouse.
Like that Feenix Nascita which is really a rebrand Sharkoon Darkglider.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Tue, 28 May 2013, 16:20:48
Don't get me started on the Nascita. :p
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 28 May 2013, 16:39:06
I need to sell off a bunch of my old crap mice and get a newer G400 and an FK. I really am not a fan of laser mice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 28 May 2013, 22:28:13
I love Grim's Visual Chart of "God-Like" mice and the "S--t Tier" basically what I own.

Good the latest G400S seems to be worshiped as great because I will be buying one to check it out.

This is just a simple question to owners of the Zowie FK, can you set Audio-Volume adjust to the 2 side buttons on that mouse?

I found the Mionix mice useless as they do not allow volume control on their rodents (thus their S--t Tier category).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PointyFox on Tue, 28 May 2013, 23:17:05
CM apparently fixed the VOIP lag problem with the CM Storm Spawn.

Firmware v102:
http://forum.coolermaster.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=16034
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Wed, 29 May 2013, 07:18:52
I love Grim's Visual Chart of "God-Like" mice and the "S--t Tier" basically what I own.

Good the latest G400S seems to be worshiped as great because I will be buying one to check it out.

This is just a simple question to owners of the Zowie FK, can you set Audio-Volume adjust to the 2 side buttons on that mouse?

I found the Mionix mice useless as they do not allow volume control on their rodents (thus their S--t Tier category).

I think the Zowie FK is not in the " God tier"  because of flexibility or software, but only because of the sensor and shape. In fact, there are no drivers or software for this mouse. The options to use the left or right side buttons, change polling rate or DPI are made directly on the mouse itself.

Therefore, unless you have some third party software that can map Mouse4 and Mouse5 to adjust audio it wont be possible. This mouse is really geared towards basic ingame functionality. If you are looking for anything besides that there are other, better options for you. The Corsair mice for example, while I do not like the way their software is designed, you can set that M95 up to order sandwiches for you if you'd like. For anything other than sensor reliability,  dismiss that chart immediately. If you play wow, you might enjoy the Razer Naga more than any of the mice on the top of that list, just because of the buttons available. Even though it uses the Phillips Twin Eye sensor.

Though I do love and recommend the Zowie FK if the shape works for you.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 29 May 2013, 07:53:12
I am not a gamer, but this is truly a Joy to use.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WOWPEN-JOY-Wow-Pen-Vertical-Optical-USB-Mouse-Ergonomic-Wrist-Pain-Black-/160952852700?pt=Mice&hash=item257989a0dc (http://www.ebay.com/itm/WOWPEN-JOY-Wow-Pen-Vertical-Optical-USB-Mouse-Ergonomic-Wrist-Pain-Black-/160952852700?pt=Mice&hash=item257989a0dc)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 29 May 2013, 08:12:51
I think the Zowie FK is not in the " God tier"  because of flexibility or software, but only because of the sensor and shape. In fact, there are no drivers or software for this mouse. The options to use the left or right side buttons, change polling rate or DPI are made directly on the mouse itself.


Damn, I suspect the most easily usable rodent's still belong to the Logitech Camp.  I know with the G400 and G500 you setup with their software what buttons to map once and it's done permanently. 

So I go onto another PC with that same rodent and the side buttons control the Audio every time.  Something Logitech has excelled at when it comes to making their mice work anyway you like.  I've always used them since they have always worked, I may be the luckiest one here with that experience.

Since when you use Model-M's and old Cherries there are no volume controls and I hate having extra software running in the background of the OS, every time I need to actuate an audio function.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: IPT on Wed, 29 May 2013, 09:34:27
I think the Zowie FK is not in the " God tier"  because of flexibility or software, but only because of the sensor and shape. In fact, there are no drivers or software for this mouse. The options to use the left or right side buttons, change polling rate or DPI are made directly on the mouse itself.


Damn, I suspect the most easily usable rodent's still belong to the Logitech Camp.  I know with the G400 and G500 you setup with their software what buttons to map once and it's done permanently. 

So I go onto another PC with that same rodent and the side buttons control the Audio every time.  Something Logitech has excelled at when it comes to making their mice work anyway you like.  I've always used them since they have always worked, I may be the luckiest one here with that experience.

Since when you use Model-M's and old Cherries there are no volume controls and I hate having extra software running in the background of the OS, every time I need to actuate an audio function.
I know you said you hate extra software but what I use is the belkin power mate to control volume
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 29 May 2013, 10:44:46
I love Grim's Visual Chart of "God-Like" mice and the "S--t Tier" basically what I own.

Good the latest G400S seems to be worshiped as great because I will be buying one to check it out.

This is just a simple question to owners of the Zowie FK, can you set Audio-Volume adjust to the 2 side buttons on that mouse?

I found the Mionix mice useless as they do not allow volume control on their rodents (thus their S--t Tier category).

I think the Zowie FK is not in the " God tier"  because of flexibility or software, but only because of the sensor and shape. In fact, there are no drivers or software for this mouse. The options to use the left or right side buttons, change polling rate or DPI are made directly on the mouse itself.

Therefore, unless you have some third party software that can map Mouse4 and Mouse5 to adjust audio it wont be possible. This mouse is really geared towards basic ingame functionality. If you are looking for anything besides that there are other, better options for you. The Corsair mice for example, while I do not like the way their software is designed, you can set that M95 up to order sandwiches for you if you'd like. For anything other than sensor reliability,  dismiss that chart immediately. If you play wow, you might enjoy the Razer Naga more than any of the mice on the top of that list, just because of the buttons available. Even though it uses the Phillips Twin Eye sensor.

Though I do love and recommend the Zowie FK if the shape works for you.


The Naga 2012 doesn't have the PTE sensor.

And yeah, I've got like half of the ****-tier mice and I find pretty much every one of those(except for the Mamba, that should get it's own tier of ****) more fun to use than my G400(although I should note that my G400 is gen1, so I'm most likely getting a G400s sometime in the future).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: mauri on Wed, 29 May 2013, 10:45:28
I'm not very picky when it comes to sensors and such but god forbid if there are a) no thumb buttons b) thumb buttons for left handed people.

Currently rocking ec2 and I'm quite fond of it. I also went through 3-5 Ikaris, Maybe I'll get one more when the ec dies : D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: IPT on Wed, 29 May 2013, 13:53:05
I use the death adder black as my daily mouse because I prefer the rubberized grip. I use my naga epic when I'm playing wow cause I'm a lazy huntard and we have way too many fawking buttons to press in our rotation.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Wed, 29 May 2013, 14:46:04
Logitech mice just work. if they don't they send you a new one,and again lol. I have had a number of mice that will not track on my fav pad but any Logitech will. plus their software is rock solid. I do feel razer,steel,roccat are nicer but they can be flaky.

now here is a problem. of course optical sensors are better. they do not have nearly as many buttons/macros as their laser cousins. the manufacturers should get with it. if the kone xtd had the deathadder 2013 sensor I would be all over that. I know, I don't game but I do like max precision.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: longweight on Wed, 29 May 2013, 15:01:58
Logitech G700.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Wed, 29 May 2013, 23:07:04
The built-in hardware acceleration of the laser mice is an overblown "problem", IMO. A huge number of professional Starcraft 2 players use the laser mice in the "****" tier, such as the Sensei, and the G9.

In fact, in the WCS EU Finals, just a couple of days ago, I spotted MVP and Stephano using the G9x, and the Razer Taipan, respectively. And these are perhaps, in particular MVP, some of the best professional Starcraft 2 players playing today.

Then again, these are RTS games. Maybe it's a much bigger problem with FPS games, but I highly, highly doubt it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: IPT on Wed, 29 May 2013, 23:33:57
The built-in hardware acceleration of the laser mice is an overblown "problem", IMO. A huge number of professional Starcraft 2 players use the laser mice in the "****" tier, such as the Sensei, and the G9.

In fact, in the WCS EU Finals, just a couple of days ago, I spotted MVP and Stephano using the G9x, and the Razer Taipan, respectively. And these are perhaps, in particular MVP, some of the best professional Starcraft 2 players playing today.

Then again, these are RTS games. Maybe it's a much bigger problem with FPS games, but I highly, highly doubt it.

mouse precision is more important for FPS i think
just look at CS pros that turn down sensitivity of mouse lol
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 30 May 2013, 05:23:07
The built-in hardware acceleration of the laser mice is an overblown "problem", IMO. A huge number of professional Starcraft 2 players use the laser mice in the "****" tier, such as the Sensei, and the G9.

In fact, in the WCS EU Finals, just a couple of days ago, I spotted MVP and Stephano using the G9x, and the Razer Taipan, respectively. And these are perhaps, in particular MVP, some of the best professional Starcraft 2 players playing today.

Then again, these are RTS games. Maybe it's a much bigger problem with FPS games, but I highly, highly doubt it.

It does actually matter in FPS games, but I still think it's overblown as very few people actually play on a level where you need maximum precision, and there aren't a lot of precision FPS games out there anyways.
Basically I'd say if you're playing on pub servers it doesn't matter much, really. Sure, it doesn't hurt, but any problem with performance at that level is more down to the player's lack of skill rather than a bad mouse. Unless said player is using a mouse that isn't tracking properly, like a mouse with a failing PTE sensor or a poorly configured Naos 5k.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Thu, 30 May 2013, 08:09:19
autocad and Bryce take a lot of precision to draw. perhaps more than any game. I see no difference between the g500s and g400s. perhaps that is not an apples to apples comparison though. I don't think you can use a tablet in a game.

on another note. I was wondering if there was a high end mini trackball. I have no room for the l-trac and the m570 is a pos.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 30 May 2013, 09:01:34
autocad and Bryce take a lot of precision to draw. perhaps more than any game. I see no difference between the g500s and g400s. perhaps that is not an apples to apples comparison though. I don't think you can use a tablet in a game.

on another note. I was wondering if there was a high end mini trackball. I have no room for the l-trac and the m570 is a pos.

But in AutoCAD, Bryce and any other program like that you can zoom in and take your time, the reason serious FPS players need good mice is because they need split second precision.

And yeah, you can't use a tablet in tablet-mode in most games, at least not FPS, I tried that once and it didn't work all that well.

The difference between the G500s and the G400s I would imagine is the same as the differences between the non-s versions; G500 has laser, G400 optical, G500 has some additional buttons, a hyperscroll wheel and adjustable weights.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fateswarm on Sat, 01 June 2013, 03:58:37
G700 and I'll use two reactionary reasons because these problems have become a trend lately on juvenile sites (see 4chan etc.):

1. The lack of understanding that a force inflicted by a cable on movement can be multiple times more obstructing than the theoretical latencies that are practically undetectable by any human on earth (and G700 has a modded receiver for 1ms latency anyway). And raising a cable on air neither removes the force completely or the problem in general (of not only force but also simply getting in the way, which is equivalent to unlimited force).

2. The infuriating insistence of some online communities to use as a basis of belief for a  "superior sensor" of the G400, a test from 2006, using an LP turntable, applying only to cloth mats, before even newer laser mice were out, not even g400 was out, just its sensor, completely dismissing the importance of circuitry, mat material, movement pattern, cable mechanical forces, and several other testing conditions.

PS. Yes the battery can run out but it lasts for about a day if fully charged so a serious gamer can be proactive with confidence and it can be directly used with a USB cable (with data as well) and it even supports Alcaline batteries if one is insane with reliability (those will last for 4-5 days at least I'm sure).
PPS. Weight is a subjective matter so many find its weight perfect (it's not even high, I'd accept it higher).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Sat, 01 June 2013, 07:50:13
1. 1000Hz Polling Rate and 1ms latency are two different thing (doesn't mean the G700 has a latency problem.)
With a mouse bungee or a DIY solution you can limit cable drag very well, to a point many find it much less of a problem than a much higher weight.

I would like to see someone trying a capacitor bases wireless gaming mouse, but that won't happen because it isn't mainstream enough.

2. That's valid criticism of the ESReality Mousescore but if you take the results with a grain of salt they are still pretty valid. There is also a similar test from a Japanese guy which includes various mouse pads and modern sensors (A9500, PTE). Ofc a turning table is isn't a realistic representation of actual mouse movement in gaming.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Sat, 01 June 2013, 15:07:08
I would like to see someone trying a capacitor bases wireless gaming mouse, but that won't happen because it isn't mainstream enough.

I think Genius has already built such a mouse.

What I'd like to see-- though this is not really practical with current technology-- is a wireless mouse with very little battery/capacitor capacity, paired with a dedicated mousepad with inductive charging. This way, it'd never run out of power, and you wouldn't have to deal with the size and weight of more energy storage (though you would want to try and get the inductive charging system as light and small as possible). There have been other solutions to reducing cord interference, like top-exiting and side-exiting cables, but there is still a cord there. Ideally, there would be no cord, not only to prevent interference with movement, but also because the cord is a frequent failure point on mice. But, at the same time, there are so many disadvantages and compromises associated with battery power that, for me at least, no mouse powered by batteries can be acceptable.

Regarding sensors, I don't think anyone is actually relying on just one outdated test, even if the same one tends to get linked for the sake of convenience. Basic tracking quality attributes, such as prediction, acceleration, jitter/glitches, lift-off distance, max control speed, etc., are easy to test on your own, and many people have done so with a wide variety of mice and surfaces, as well as contributing their subjective impressions, all leading to the current consensus that top-level opticals currently deliver more consistent tracking than any available laser sensor.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Sat, 01 June 2013, 15:12:28
I was wondering if a mouse like the mx is in fact better for windows/browser than say the g700.

I also don't get two mice with the same sensor and one could not track on the same surface?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Sat, 01 June 2013, 15:26:31
I would like to see someone trying a capacitor bases wireless gaming mouse, but that won't happen because it isn't mainstream enough.

I think Genius has already built such a mouse.
I know, that's why I wrote gaming mouse. ;)

For such a mouse for gaming you would probably have to design it a bit different and have a solution to switch out the capacitor-module fast and easy.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sat, 01 June 2013, 16:38:05
I also don't get two mice with the same sensor and one could not track on the same surface?

Firmware?
Unless both are the same model and revision with the same firmware, then you've got a dud. In my collection I have both a Sensei and a Naos 5k, both use the A9500 sensor, and the Naos is way more picky about surfaces than the Sensei. I get a lot of jitter and wonky lift off issues with the Naos, Sensei has given me no trouble whatsoever so far.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Sat, 01 June 2013, 19:17:40
i was actually speaking of trouble with the sensei. of course i have a different machine and different mouse pad than you do. i don't blame the sensei. in fact i really liked it other than that.
it just goes to show not everything works together. however i have never had a Logitech g series not work on any machine or surface.

now the g700s. it has too many buttons in my way. i figure it is real nice for a mmo player. with 13 buttons and 5 profiles that is a lot of macros. ever since the g5 that series has been my old buddy. now using g500s. some say it sucks because the sensor is at the top others love it. to me it hardly matters. my dream is they combine the g500s and m570. that would be sweet. or wait... a pbt mouse body with cherry switches.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fateswarm on Sun, 02 June 2013, 09:06:29
Firmware?
Unless both are the same model and revision with the same firmware, then you've got a dud. In my collection I have both a Sensei and a Naos 5k, both use the A9500 sensor, and the Naos is way more picky about surfaces than the Sensei. I get a lot of jitter and wonky lift off issues with the Naos, Sensei has given me no trouble whatsoever so far.

Or simply the position of the sensor itself in the mouse. The general make of it. Ending a discussion about a mouse with its sensor model number is simply naive. Was it placed with the same angle, distance, stability etc.? Have you checked the circuitry? Any firmwares? What about electronics components quality. What about the drivers and OS on different machines and other several conditions.

When people claim the detection of differences that are minute to the point of being undetectable by any human and even the slightest deviations of conditions would alter the result, they can't make such bold assumptions (as 'the same sensor i.e. the same mouse').

edit: I wouldn't even be surprised if exactly the same batch of a model has different behaviors between products, when it gets to such minuscule differences detection (of even quality mice).

edit: In general I don't believe in the validity of one or two fan-based reviews when the nature of the problem appears so complex and delicate to the point of needing highly professional treatment and multiple sources cross-referencing (even if the argument "you have no alternative, I have that test" sounds good as an argument on forums).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: typo on Sun, 02 June 2013, 12:31:33
no. I mean some mice would simply not work on this mobo and/or mouse pad. that is not a surprise to me either. I now understand there is much more to a mouse than just the sensor it has. I was not talking about nit picking gamers do. I mean not work period.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: LinkPro on Mon, 03 June 2013, 11:10:15
Deathadder 2013 and G400 for me. Steelseries has been nothing but problems.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Lbeuol on Tue, 04 June 2013, 02:24:45
I seem to stick to mx 518 and its upgrades all the time, I've tried razer and steelseries but I'm still not sold on them. Thinking about getting a new logitech soon.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: TD22057 on Thu, 06 June 2013, 14:20:41
Another vote for G700.  Wireless is crucial to me...
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Thu, 06 June 2013, 14:54:07
I understand that some people feel that acceleration is overblown.

For most people , their performance in game will not be impacted by these things. Especially when they do not play on a lower sensitivity. But on the other hand, if you are going to spend money on a gaming mouse, then does it not make sense to go for those mice that have a superior sensor?

In autoCAD I imagine that acceleration does not play a role, as this is something that you really notice most on fast long sweeps, which is something you do not tend to do I reckon. Prediction could however potentially be an issue. But luckily most newer mice do not have prediction anymore.

In non-mice centric games, people use all sorts of mice. But there is a a reason why, in mice-centric games, players in the competitive scene tend to go for mice that have a decent sensor.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Thu, 18 July 2013, 00:10:07
Picked up a SS Sensei a few days back....

I freaking LOVE this mouse. It's sexy and you can change the colors of the LED's.

I was going ape**** in CS:GO just now, dominating. The mouse doesn't move when you click. It's accurate. It has just the right amount of polyethylene (or what ever the feet are made of) to glide it around flawlessly.

I had the SS Xai before and loved it, but gave it to a friend (no idea why...). I've been through several different mice since then, but I swear this is the last FPS mouse I will ever need. Perfectly shaped for my big hands, and I don't ever hit the buttons on the right side of the mouse on accident.

I'll still be using my Naga for playing SWTOR, reluctantly. (I've come to need the 12-key thumb buttons on the Naga in MMO's.) but for competitive FPS or MOBA action, I'll always return to the Sensei.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 18 July 2013, 00:11:23
Using a g9x... but I miss my abyssus.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Thu, 18 July 2013, 01:02:39
Zowie FK for me . In both shape, sensor, weight etc. It is pretty much the perfect mouse for me. I also really like the shape of the Steelseries sensei
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: kittykatmax on Thu, 18 July 2013, 01:25:06
Another vote for the G700.  I actually own two!  Before that, and still a fantastic mouse (if only they still made it), was the MX Revolution.  Sadly, I tried the "updated" Performance MX and it sucked badly.  I will give Logitech credit, I didn't buy the mouse from them but some piddly online retailer.  When I called just to complain to Logitech about the Performance MX, they let me return it to THEM and gave me a credit for full retail price towards anything on their online store. 

I do have small hands, so I wish they sold mice in two sizes.  Both the MX Revolution and the G700 are a bit too big for me, requiring me to move my hand to reach certain buttons.  I play WoW so the zillion buttons are a must have.

If Logitech made a vertical version of the G700 (along the lines of the Evoluent), or even their MMO mouse, I'd snap one up in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: phx on Thu, 18 July 2013, 10:34:31
read a lot of reviews when I was picking out my first mouse, here are the ones I tried.

Logitech G9:
Picked this out because I have a claw grip and people said this was a good claw grip mouse. Found it to be too heavy and too wide for my taste. The mouse wheel was also way too hard to click, I use the mouse wheel to click pretty often (opening links as tabs in Chrome, throwing grenades in COD4, etc). Ended up returning this.

Deathadder:
pretty good mouse, shiny finish that gets dirty pretty easily. The side buttons are huge, felt like my thumb is always touching it, pretty annoying. Ended up returning this one as well.

Logitech MX518:
Fell in love with this mouse, everything I wanted with the Deathadder without any of the cons. Easy to click mouse wheel, small side buttons and rubber side grip making it very comfortable to use. Bought one used and it has been working great for me in the past 4 years. Too bad they don't make this anymore. This is my daily driver at home.

Logitech G400:
The successor to MX518, almost exactly like the MX518, looks a bit different but feels the same for me. I use this mouse at work, and have another as a backup.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Thimplum on Thu, 18 July 2013, 13:12:48
Razer Naga 2012.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: velvetdon25 on Fri, 19 July 2013, 00:00:13
My current top 2 are:

1. Zowie EC1 Evo (white)
2. Logitech G9x

I've previously owned:
Logitech MX500
Logitech g400
Logtech g500
Razer Deathadder
Zowie EC2 Evo (black)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: keymaster on Fri, 19 July 2013, 00:09:06
1. Kensington Slimblade Trackball
-ergonomic/daily use

2. Razer DeathAdder
-for gaming, comfortable even during long sessions
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: xSpartanCx on Sat, 20 July 2013, 20:06:19
I like the simple versions of Razer mice (i know, lame) but the mamba and deathadder are some slick, minimalistic mice that fit me well.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Tarzan on Sat, 20 July 2013, 20:12:19
I could have sworn I saw a link in this thread to an off-brand mouse, rather large, and at least two finger grooves on the right side.  Does that crap description ring a bell for anyone?  Can someone point me to the right link?

Kind of a non-standard shaped mouse, IIRC.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Zykos on Sat, 20 July 2013, 20:24:14
I really like the Razer deathadder. It is really comfortable even for long gaming sessions.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Yzeets on Sat, 20 July 2013, 21:46:24
logitech mx518 & intellimouse 3.0 forever
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Ultratude on Sun, 21 July 2013, 08:59:33
I <3 my SteelSeries sensei.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: oTurtlez on Mon, 22 July 2013, 10:19:06
I've been using a Razer Mamba for going on 2 years now with no issues. Wireless is the same performance as wired and it lasts a good 14 to 16 hours of constant usage. Very impressed with it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Danule on Fri, 26 July 2013, 10:30:37
I have tried a decent ammount of mice in my day and I'd have to say my favorite is the Steelseries Sensi MLG edition.  It has the same shape as the Microsoft Intellimouse that I like but a better laser.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vsdubstep on Fri, 26 July 2013, 10:31:36
Zowie FK at the moment
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PointyFox on Fri, 26 July 2013, 11:04:04
Been using a Logitech G5 1st gen for 5 years. I hate that the scroll wheel clicks don't correlate to actuations.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Hypersphere on Fri, 26 July 2013, 11:25:35
Razer DA Black Edition. I've tried many mice, including Dell, HP, IBM, Kensington, Logitech (various models), Microsoft,   Razer DA 2013, and SGI. The best by far is the Razer DA Black Edition. I like the shape, weight, non-sticky grip, easy-click buttons (left, right, center, and side), and the scroll wheel.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tadbitnerdy on Fri, 26 July 2013, 13:23:35
R.A.T 9... for now.  I hate wired mice.  Hope to never have to go back.  And, since I will never be a pro gamer, I think I can get away with it :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Fri, 26 July 2013, 21:45:44
I could have sworn I saw a link in this thread to an off-brand mouse, rather large, and at least two finger grooves on the right side.  Does that crap description ring a bell for anyone?  Can someone point me to the right link?

Kind of a non-standard shaped mouse, IIRC.

Mionix Naos
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 26 July 2013, 21:47:46
I could have sworn I saw a link in this thread to an off-brand mouse, rather large, and at least two finger grooves on the right side.  Does that crap description ring a bell for anyone?  Can someone point me to the right link?

Kind of a non-standard shaped mouse, IIRC.

Mionix Naos

Could also be the Func MS-3 or the Qpad 5k
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: microjackson on Fri, 26 July 2013, 21:48:43
Steel Series Sensei!!!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: divito on Sat, 27 July 2013, 14:39:33
Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 for life.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 02 August 2013, 04:14:56
My favorite mouse is the Microsoft mouse.
(http://az413224.vo.msecnd.net/img/11317/m_11317_21.jpg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: pr1me on Fri, 02 August 2013, 13:31:35
Kone XTD

(http://i.waeplus.com/i/acfcb7a8/3f5bdb92/daab54d6/thumb_0ac78ab3.jpg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tehsprayer on Fri, 02 August 2013, 17:48:06
logitech g9x is nice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: muad on Fri, 02 August 2013, 18:11:34
Roccat savu...

no prediction
no accelleration
Just a flawless sensor!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Spartacus1923 on Fri, 02 August 2013, 18:21:53
1. IE 3.0
2. DA2013

Changed a few days ago from ie3.0 to the deathadder 2013 with some new sidegrips after using the 3.0 for 10 years. Im in love with it ;). Changed the green led with whites. Looks incredible
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PadawanGeek on Fri, 02 August 2013, 21:29:17
For me, my all time fav mouse is the Logitech G9 v1 which I'd gotten at launch, still using it today on my 2nd rig. Recently replaced the Tt Level 10M mouse with a Roccat Kone XTD and this is one comfortable mouse to hold, I'm beginning to really like it, handles FPS games like UT3 pretty well, so I'm satisfied with it. So, my fav mice as of now are:
Logitech G9 (all time fav!)
Roccat Kone XTD (fast becoming my fav, but doubt it'd replace the G9 as my all time fav)
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Post by: rootwyrm on Sat, 03 August 2013, 05:17:21
http://www.amazon.com/IBM-Versatile-Scroll-Mouse-Stealth/dp/B00004XPNR
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31QCFEKKD3L.jpg)
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Post by: HendyZone on Mon, 05 August 2013, 11:39:54
1. Roccat Kone Pure
2. Razer DeathAdder 2013
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Post by: Ekruceal on Tue, 06 August 2013, 06:51:14
Logitech G9x
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Post by: listokei on Sun, 11 August 2013, 23:04:39
IME 3.0
G400

I like big mice!
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Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 15 August 2013, 14:53:51
Good deal from ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160952852700 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/160952852700)
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Post by: Elrick on Sat, 17 August 2013, 20:26:13
Just found an old mouse when going through my desk last night.

It's the original Microsoft Natural Wireless Laser Mouse 6000 built in December 2007.  You wouldn't believe it but it still has it's original Duracell Batteries installed.

I was too lazy to empty the batts from the mouse and thinking that after all this time the rodent must be dead but as soon as I plugged the Mouse Receiver (nearly as big as the mouse itself) into the usb port, the rodent sprang to life.

I nearly fell out of my chair, that a wireless mouse with original batts would still be working.  In fact I'm still using it now, I will continue to use it until I can see them getting fully drained.  I use to remember using this mouse back then for several months and it still worked fine.  Remember the days when Microsoft actually made mice worth keeping.

This is one rodent I will keep no matter what.  Besides it's still comfortable to hold after all this time.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: M-88 on Thu, 22 August 2013, 07:52:04
Microsoft "Wheel Mouse Optical".

The Beige ones have a better feel, but I do like the black ones as well.

They are , in my opinion, one of the most durable mice out there ... and they feel great!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Thu, 22 August 2013, 12:50:09
OK, I believe I've finally found my favorite mouse. It's Roccat Pyra. I have the wireless version right now, but using it as if it was wired.

It's small enough for fingertip grip even with my rather small hands; most importantly, it's short, shorter than the Zowie MiCO, and wider than the Logitech G300... and yeah, it's ambidextrous unlike the CM Storm Xornet. The smooth finish feels surprisingly good.

At last but not least, there's pretty good support for Roccat mouses on GNU/Linux (http://sourceforge.net/projects/roccat/). Thanks to it, I can reprogram one of the side buttons to work as middle click (because wheel click is way too stiff).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Fri, 23 August 2013, 03:21:00
Logitech G400, but I have limited experience with mice.

What other mice are there with relatively little frills but is lighter?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Fri, 23 August 2013, 03:52:12
WMO is very light IMHO.
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Post by: PadawanGeek on Fri, 23 August 2013, 11:15:12
Logitech G400, but I have limited experience with mice.

What other mice are there with relatively little frills but is lighter?
Cooler Master Storm Xornet, cheap and good......2000dpi is good enough for a 1080P/1200P screen. It has a similar grip style to my G9, which is why I like it a lot......excellent for FPS gaming.....on a budget.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/mikeysg/20130724_161450_zpsd17febb4.jpg)
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Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 24 August 2013, 09:30:59
FUNNY NOW NOBODY POSTED THESE MICE UP YET...
(http://ukrainianiphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/apple-usb-mouse.jpg)
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Post by: Elrick on Sun, 25 August 2013, 00:01:06
FUNNY NOW NOBODY POSTED THESE MICE UP YET...
Show Image
(http://ukrainianiphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/apple-usb-mouse.jpg)


Ahh yes the repellent iMac hockey-puck rodent.  Because Steve Jobs was directly involved with the design of this nasty piece of rubbish all the media throughout the world praised him for such a unique "looking" mouse.

Needless to say it was atrocious to use for more than five minutes and the ball that it uses always became blocked with dirt and grime.  In school when the Government spent millions installing these Candy Coloured horrors in my early years at TAFE, I couldn't get use to manipulating this vile rodent.  Yet because "Steve Jobs" designed it, it had to be fantastic  ??? .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: acantha on Sun, 25 August 2013, 00:08:34
as a consequence of reading too much william gibson lately, i was on a quest to cyberpunkify my rig. consequently i found this mouse by elecom: the Scope Node Wireless (http://www.amazon.com/Elecom-Wireless-Sensor-3-button-M-sn2dlbk/dp/B007AQC8IO)

(http://www.geekstuff4u.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/-/M-SN2DLBK_01L.jpg)

based on a design by masamune shirow!
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Post by: PointyFox on Sun, 25 August 2013, 00:23:31
as a consequence of reading too much william gibson lately, i was on a quest to cyberpunkify my rig. consequently i found this mouse by elecom: the Scope Node Wireless (http://www.amazon.com/Elecom-Wireless-Sensor-3-button-M-sn2dlbk/dp/B007AQC8IO)

Show Image
(http://www.geekstuff4u.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/-/M-SN2DLBK_01L.jpg)


based on a design by masamune shirow!

Cyberpunks don't use mice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: acantha on Sun, 25 August 2013, 00:28:34
as a consequence of reading too much william gibson lately, i was on a quest to cyberpunkify my rig. consequently i found this mouse by elecom: the Scope Node Wireless (http://www.amazon.com/Elecom-Wireless-Sensor-3-button-M-sn2dlbk/dp/B007AQC8IO)

Show Image
(http://www.geekstuff4u.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/-/M-SN2DLBK_01L.jpg)


based on a design by masamune shirow!

Cyberpunks don't use mice.

lamentably none of my usual kit is compatible with vr goggles or powergloves.

(http://www.soundonsight.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Johnny-Mnemonic.png)

soon as i can sign up for a brain/computer interface, i'm all about it, but until then i work with what i've got.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vasouv on Sun, 25 August 2013, 03:22:19
The one I'm using right now; a Razer DeathAdder 3.5G. Fits my hand wonderfully, I just love it.
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Post by: Lawngahnome on Tue, 27 August 2013, 00:16:30
DeathAdder as well. Simple and effective.
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Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 27 August 2013, 09:36:59
Razer DA Black Edition for me. Best ever. Among its other virtues, the surface remains dry to the touch.
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Post by: daerid on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:17:09
Razer DA Black Edition for me. Best ever. Among its other virtues, the surface remains dry to the touch.

The DA 2013 is the same. I absolutely love my 2013 (I have way too many mice though).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:39:18
(I have way too many mice though).

No you don't >_>
You can never have too many.
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Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 27 August 2013, 11:02:42
Razer DA Black Edition for me. Best ever. Among its other virtues, the surface remains dry to the touch.

The DA 2013 is the same. I absolutely love my 2013 (I have way too many mice though).
Tried the DA 2013 and returned it for another DA Black Ed. Didn't like the textured rubber grips on the 2013. Good to have a choice to suit different preferences.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 28 August 2013, 03:46:05
No you don't >_>
You can never have too many.

That will be chiseled on my Tombstone  ;) .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: frogamic on Wed, 28 August 2013, 04:18:48
No you don't >_>
You can never have too many.

Unless you have more mice than keyboards. I also have the 2013 DA, I changed the LEDs in my filco to match the razer green. Has anyone else's DA stopped pulsating? The logo on mine now stays constantly lit, which I love.
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Post by: vun on Wed, 28 August 2013, 05:06:47
No you don't >_>
You can never have too many.

Unless you have more mice than keyboards. I also have the 2013 DA, I changed the LEDs in my filco to match the razer green. Has anyone else's DA stopped pulsating? The logo on mine now stays constantly lit, which I love.

****, gimme dat. I've been trying to work out how to get that effing logo to stop pulsating. I know, it doesn't matter since it's purely visual, but it would look so much better if it was just always on.

Also, I have far more mice than keyboards and I'm not stopping yet.
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Post by: frogamic on Wed, 28 August 2013, 05:39:45
****, gimme dat. I've been trying to work out how to get that effing logo to stop pulsating. I know, it doesn't matter since it's purely visual, but it would look so much better if it was just always on.

I have absolutely no idea how it happened, but after swapping it between my macbook and PC a few times it's just on solidly. I was expecting to have to open it and put a capacitor across the LED to stop it cos it was pretty distracting.
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Post by: daerid on Wed, 28 August 2013, 12:54:13
Unless you have more mice than keyboards. I also have the 2013 DA, I changed the LEDs in my filco to match the razer green. Has anyone else's DA stopped pulsating? The logo on mine now stays constantly lit, which I love.

I do. And I'm probably going to for a long time (I'm addicted to mice).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ynrozturk on Wed, 28 August 2013, 16:36:34
My favorite is probably the RAT 7 in terms of sheer comfort. I also love my MX518 and Lachesis, however.

And you can never have enough mice!
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Post by: fuzzybaffy on Wed, 28 August 2013, 18:44:15
Oh wow... is the RAT 7 actually comfortable? I never considered it seriously because I was afraid it'd be too uncomfortable. It looks, at least on first glance without using it, heavy and bulky with a lot of sharp edges.

What games do you play, and how is it for fast, quick movements (for RTS's)?
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Post by: vun on Wed, 28 August 2013, 18:51:30
Oh wow... is the RAT 7 actually comfortable? I never considered it seriously because I was afraid it'd be too uncomfortable. It looks, at least on first glance without using it, heavy and bulky with a lot of sharp edges.

What games do you play, and how is it for fast, quick movements (for RTS's)?

I actually think the RAT 7 is one of the more comfortable mice I've used. Not the best for fast and long movements though as it is quite heavy.
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Post by: TLSC.wipeOut on Wed, 28 August 2013, 20:33:07
I love the DeathAdder 2013! Really comfortable since I have pretty big hands hehe
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Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 29 August 2013, 11:18:18
Oh wow... is the RAT 7 actually comfortable? I never considered it seriously because I was afraid it'd be too uncomfortable. It looks, at least on first glance without using it, heavy and bulky with a lot of sharp edges.

What games do you play, and how is it for fast, quick movements (for RTS's)?

Looking at it, I thought it would be uncomfortable too, but it just isn't. It fits my hand perfectly, and now I can't do without the side thumb and pinky rests. So you hand pretty much never touches the mouse pad. The red "aim" button is positioned perfectly and is actually useful, and the forward and back buttons a VERY easy to use, as your thumb always basically rests over them. Just all round great design.

I'm a Battlefield player, been playing FPS games since I was... I don't know, since Quake. I don't find the mouse to be too heavy, but then again, I like a bit of a hefty mouse. I have all the weights installed in mine, and my DPI is set to 4000. Seems to work perfect for me.
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Post by: vun on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:11:35
Oh wow... is the RAT 7 actually comfortable? I never considered it seriously because I was afraid it'd be too uncomfortable. It looks, at least on first glance without using it, heavy and bulky with a lot of sharp edges.

What games do you play, and how is it for fast, quick movements (for RTS's)?

Looking at it, I thought it would be uncomfortable too, but it just isn't. It fits my hand perfectly, and now I can't do without the side thumb and pinky rests. So you hand pretty much never touches the mouse pad. The red "aim" button is positioned perfectly and is actually useful, and the forward and back buttons a VERY easy to use, as your thumb always basically rests over them. Just all round great design.

I'm a Battlefield player, been playing FPS games since I was... I don't know, since Quake. I don't find the mouse to be too heavy, but then again, I like a bit of a hefty mouse. I have all the weights installed in mine, and my DPI is set to 4000. Seems to work perfect for me.

You won't notice weight much at high sens, but at 400-800 dpi, which I use, you need to move the mouse far more and then the weight begins to show
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Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:20:05
That's true. But out of curiosity, why only use 800 DPI? That just seems way too slow for me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:23:20
That's true. But out of curiosity, why only use 800 DPI? That just seems way too slow for me.

That's what I'm used to and feel the most comfortable with. Much higher than that and everything moves too fast. I can easily adapt to higher dpi if I want to, but 4-900 gives me the control I like and just feels comfortable.

Edit:
Also, if I were to use something like 4k dpi then I'd have a hard time using something like my IME 3.0 which is stuck at 400.
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Post by: Binge on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:25:17
ANKER VERTICAL MOUSE  ;D
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Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:59:19
ANKER VERTICAL MOUSE  ;D
^this
Love mine, but my scroll wheels messed up, probs from when I modded it.

As far as mice I also use a g40 . And I use two trackballs, a cst and m570.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: omegatony on Thu, 29 August 2013, 18:46:13
I love the DeathAdder 2013! Really comfortable since I have pretty big hands hehe

Agreed, I love my DA ;D

The grips on the 2013 makes a huge difference for me!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SquawkVFR on Sat, 31 August 2013, 03:32:11
Logitech G9x here. 

Used basic MS mice for years, and have had brief interactions with a lot of narrower gaming mice at friends houses, the overall larger size of the G9x works well for my grip /  hand size / etc.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: god on Sun, 01 September 2013, 16:52:37
CM Storm Spawn.
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Post by: GeeGee on Sun, 01 September 2013, 17:04:41
Steelseries Sensei.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Sun, 01 September 2013, 17:06:19
I replaced my Logitech G5 with a Steelseries Sensei at the start of the summer and I love it but it's too picky about surfaces to travel with so I leave it at home and have a Death Adder 2013 which works well on the go. I also love the Mionix Naos 3200 because it feels so good on my giant hands. It reminds me of the G9x which I also used a lot before I gave it to my brother.
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Post by: Elrick on Sun, 01 September 2013, 20:51:42
I also love the Mionix Naos 3200 because it feels so good on my giant hands.

I also have the Mionix Naos 5000 and 8200 they are unfortunately the MOST glitchy pair of rodents I have ever come across.  They hate the surface, they jump all round the desktop plus Windows 8 seems to really dislike them both.  They do have updated firmware available but I couldn't be bothered to update them. they now sit in the bottom draw of my desk.

If you can't use a mouse straight out of it's box then it's time to look elsewhere.  Besides I still love some of Microsoft's Rodents, very reliable and no glitchiness present even within Win8. 
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 01 September 2013, 20:56:00
I also love the Mionix Naos 3200 because it feels so good on my giant hands.

I also have the Mionix Naos 5000 and 8200 they are unfortunately the MOST glitchy pair of rodents I have ever come across.  They hate the surface, they jump all round the desktop plus Windows 8 seems to really dislike them both.  They do have updated firmware available but I couldn't be bothered to update them. they now sit in the bottom draw of my desk.

If you can't use a mouse straight out of it's box then it's time to look elsewhere.  Besides I still love some of Microsoft's Rodents, very reliable and no glitchiness present even within Win8. 

I had the same issue with my 5000, it's been mostly sitting in my drawer, although the 3200 is safe as that uses an optical sensor.
Did you find that the build quality of the 5000 and 8200 was worse than you'd expect? I expected my 5000 to feel better for that price, probably going to end up harvesting it for the microswitches one day.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 02 September 2013, 00:29:06
Did you find that the build quality of the 5000 and 8200 was worse than you'd expect? I expected my 5000 to feel better for that price, probably going to end up harvesting it for the microswitches one day.

Yep, the 8200 feels slightly cheap in quality compared to the 5000.  I wish I got my money back on this wasted purchase on this rodent but you live and learn on what you buy.

For now on I will avoid anything to do with Mionix within the near future, don't fall for that lame statement "Designed in Sweden" rubbish.  I'll stick to Microsoft mice from now on.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 02 September 2013, 11:42:38
Razer DA Black Edition for me. Best ever. Among its other virtues, the surface remains dry to the touch.

The DA 2013 is the same. I absolutely love my 2013 (I have way too many mice though).

Returning my DA 2013 and looking around again.  I realized that it's slightly less comfortable for me as a palm user versus my G5.  The other no-no was that the middle mouse button takes too much force to activate.  The G5 got around this by having the middle button do left/right movements as well so middle click just became shifting the middle button to the left.  I do use the middle mouse button at work (Unix admin) when running multiple X-based shells so it's nice to be able to cut/paste easily.  The other thing I ended up realizing I missed was the DPI buttons that the DA is lacking. 

Back to the drawing board I suppose.  I was looking at the Imperator which seems to be more of a G5 design with all the same features and a hopefully better thumb position.  Does Synapse 2 store everything online, no local profiles?  I don't really want to have to deal with the cloud for hardware configurations that should be stored locally. 
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Mon, 02 September 2013, 11:56:57
Razer DA Black Edition for me. Best ever. Among its other virtues, the surface remains dry to the touch.

The DA 2013 is the same. I absolutely love my 2013 (I have way too many mice though).

Returning my DA 2013 and looking around again.  I realized that it's slightly less comfortable for me as a palm user versus my G5.  The other no-no was that the middle mouse button takes too much force to activate.  The G5 got around this by having the middle button do left/right movements as well so middle click just became shifting the middle button to the left.  I do use the middle mouse button at work (Unix admin) when running multiple X-based shells so it's nice to be able to cut/paste easily.  The other thing I ended up realizing I missed was the DPI buttons that the DA is lacking. 

Back to the drawing board I suppose.  I was looking at the Imperator which seems to be more of a G5 design with all the same features and a hopefully better thumb position.  Does Synapse 2 store everything online, no local profiles?  I don't really want to have to deal with the cloud for hardware configurations that should be stored locally. 

Synapse has an offline mode now, so you could use it offline if you wish, so profiles are local.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: abdulmuhsee on Mon, 02 September 2013, 12:50:55
My favorite mouse was a little portable Targus one I got with my first laptop computer in high school.

I used it for at least 5 years without any noticeable degradation and I only got rid of it due to excessive dirt and dust showing through the translucent casing.  Considering that I have never owned a mouse, "gaming" or otherwise, which has lasted that long since, I wish I would've kept it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: chill1217 on Mon, 02 September 2013, 22:55:13
i've had 3x mx 500's, 2x mx 518, and now i'm on a g400.  the things keep dying with the same problem every time - the usb connection isn't detected.  i think it's a known issue and i'm surprised it hasn't been fixed throughout the series.  pretty satisfied overall, but i'm thinking about getting a mouse that better suits my claw grip
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 05 September 2013, 20:01:43
just got a steel series sensei pro

pretty cool mouse...........feels good so far, although wish it was a tad heavier- i like a hefty mouse

love the steel series engine; wow!

macros are pretty nice
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Thu, 05 September 2013, 20:36:03
i've had 3x mx 500's, 2x mx 518, and now i'm on a g400.  the things keep dying with the same problem every time - the usb connection isn't detected.  i think it's a known issue and i'm surprised it hasn't been fixed throughout the series.  pretty satisfied overall, but i'm thinking about getting a mouse that better suits my claw grip

As am I, although mine is more of a mixed claw/fingertip grip.

Ordered a Zowie FK, can't wait to try it!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 05 September 2013, 21:43:30
i've had 3x mx 500's, 2x mx 518, and now i'm on a g400.  the things keep dying with the same problem every time - the usb connection isn't detected.  i think it's a known issue and i'm surprised it hasn't been fixed throughout the series.  pretty satisfied overall, but i'm thinking about getting a mouse that better suits my claw grip

As am I, although mine is more of a mixed claw/fingertip grip.

Ordered a Zowie FK, can't wait to try it!

my cheap xornet for a claw grip is hard to beat for the buck
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Sniping on Fri, 06 September 2013, 01:16:15
The shape of the Zowie FK and Xornet are totally different lol
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Post by: terrpn on Fri, 06 September 2013, 08:35:41
my bad-- sorry :-[
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Post by: Binge on Fri, 06 September 2013, 08:46:06
Anker Vertical mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Carnage on Fri, 06 September 2013, 22:31:41
I hate razer keyboards but the deathadder I own id have to say i quiet enjoy. I also recently bought 2 e-3lue cobra which I'm going to write a review on very soon that I'm liking. I do want to try a zowie though. The deathadder has served me very well for about a year now.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Gunni on Fri, 06 September 2013, 22:35:29
I have a Razer DeathAdder 2013 Gaming Mouse, I really like it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: BrokenGame on Sat, 07 September 2013, 15:12:06
Now I'm using a corsair m65, which is good but not that much. I'm still searching for something as awesome as the G9x (my favorite, to answer the thread)... I've tried the g500s, which I really disliked.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Sat, 07 September 2013, 15:22:07
Now I'm using a corsair m65, which is good but not that much. I'm still searching for something as awesome as the G9x (my favorite, to answer the thread)... I've tried the g500s, which I really disliked.

Why not stick with the G9x?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: BrokenGame on Sat, 07 September 2013, 15:27:43
Now I'm using a corsair m65, which is good but not that much. I'm still searching for something as awesome as the G9x (my favorite, to answer the thread)... I've tried the g500s, which I really disliked.

Why not stick with the G9x?

Mine started to double click after 2 years. And now it is hard to find one. If I could get one at a good price, I'll probably buy it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Sat, 07 September 2013, 17:41:18
Now I'm using a corsair m65, which is good but not that much. I'm still searching for something as awesome as the G9x (my favorite, to answer the thread)... I've tried the g500s, which I really disliked.

Why not stick with the G9x?

Mine started to double click after 2 years. And now it is hard to find one. If I could get one at a good price, I'll probably buy it.

The Call of Duty branded one dropped down to $42.34 on Amazon last April. Hope you find one!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 08 September 2013, 12:23:49
Been using my sensei for about a month now, and I love it. Way better than the deathadder I was using before.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: frogamic on Sun, 08 September 2013, 20:20:08
Been using my sensei for about a month now, and I love it. Way better than the deathadder I was using before.

Why exactly? I'm curious because I ended up choosing the deathadder over the sensei because it was cheaper.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 08 September 2013, 21:20:41
Been using my sensei for about a month now, and I love it. Way better than the deathadder I was using before.

Why exactly? I'm curious because I ended up choosing the deathadder over the sensei because it was cheaper.

Sensei has an ambidextrous shape, DA is shaped to fit one hand, although unlike most non-ambidextrous mice the DA does have a version for left handed people.
Some prefer ambidextrous shape, some prefer a non-ambidextrous shape, that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 08 September 2013, 22:29:39
some prefer a non-ambidextrous shape, that's pretty much it.

Yep, count me in that group thanx  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: demik on Mon, 09 September 2013, 00:39:07
think i've posted here already but. deathadder black edition. before a g9x. but that is collecting dust in my closet.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Gunni on Mon, 09 September 2013, 04:39:41
I have a Razer DeathAdder 2013, I love it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: cpapp on Mon, 09 September 2013, 19:18:19
razer orochi 2013.
Haven't experienced the sleep mode issue, and in the 2 months I have had the mouse, I haven't had to replace the batteries once.(as it should be)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Tue, 17 September 2013, 20:35:52
Anyone else feel like the Zowie FK is a little hard to grab/control? I use it at home and I feel very unused to it after using the G400 at work.

My hand is 20 cm (7.8 - 7.9 inches) from middle finger tip to where my hand ends and my wrist begins, and I use a fingertip grip.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Phedran on Tue, 17 September 2013, 21:03:37
My current mouse is a pre-2013 DeathAdder. If the skin-film wasn't wearing off I would love it. Currently researching what I'll buy next, but so far it's looking like 2013 DA or SS Sensei.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ComradeSniper on Tue, 17 September 2013, 22:38:39
My current mouse is a pre-2013 DeathAdder. If the skin-film wasn't wearing off I would love it. Currently researching what I'll buy next, but so far it's looking like 2013 DA or SS Sensei.

I'm looking at getting a Sensei also. Love my pre 2013 Imperator but I want to try new things.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Phedran on Wed, 18 September 2013, 15:53:58
My current mouse is a pre-2013 DeathAdder. If the skin-film wasn't wearing off I would love it. Currently researching what I'll buy next, but so far it's looking like 2013 DA or SS Sensei.

I'm looking at getting a Sensei also. Love my pre 2013 Imperator but I want to try new things.

Yeah not entirely sure what I'm going to do yet..
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Cafiend on Thu, 19 September 2013, 07:40:05
I'm looking at the Corsair M65. And the Gigabyte Krypton. Having a hard time deciding.

The "sniper" button on the M65 has me weary. leaning towards the krypton although I dislike the branding.


My Deathadder is trash. My feet have finally peeled off and the sticker around the laser... I have had it for about a year now. Razer ...  :rolleyes:


The Razer copperhead (old) and MS optical wheel mouse were my favorites.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SeriouSSpotS on Thu, 19 September 2013, 07:47:12
I have been looking at the m65 for a while also, but haven't got the funds right now
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: misterbobster on Sun, 22 September 2013, 11:31:36
I have been using a steelseries raw for a year and it feels amazing, the weight and shape is perfect for my use. I had a G500 in the past and that was great too, till it broke.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Kagusaki Wolf on Wed, 25 September 2013, 13:03:59
When I was a kid, we had an old Genius trackball that I really liked.  I also have a Logitech Trackman that's stashed away.  For gaming, I love the Naga Razer.  The extra 12 buttons on the side is a must for Guild Wars 2 esp if you main an engineer lol
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 25 September 2013, 13:13:27
When I was a kid, we had an old Genius trackball that I really liked.  I also have a Logitech Trackman that's stashed away.  For gaming, I love the Naga Razer.  The extra 12 buttons on the side is a must for Guild Wars 2 esp if you main an engineer lol

If you ever want/need to replace the Naga, I would suggest looking at the Logitech G600. I own both, and used to play a lot of GW2, and the G600 was just amazing. The software and the ease of using multiple layers was just amazing. I had skills, dodge and whatnot on one layer and the UI stuff on another. Numpad is so much better than on the Naga.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 27 September 2013, 04:11:54
I have ordered a ROCCAT Kone XTD hence when it arrives I'll give it a close inspection.  The main reason why I bought it, because it's NOT a Razer Product  ;D .

Seriously it's a good sized mouse meaning it's the largest one in their current range so I tend to buy the BIG rodents (rats) to play with.  If this new one meets with my comfort and joy, then I will buy another ROCCAT mouse to see what's the rest of their range like.  I am hoping they are far superior to the recent wastage of moolah tossed at certain manufacturers, that DO NOT deserve any patronage.......hint, hint.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: mr_schnrub on Fri, 27 September 2013, 04:38:16
Logitech G5
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: MrRossyTaylor on Fri, 27 September 2013, 04:52:08
I'm going to be the one guy that just comes out with it, Razer naga, Purley because i had a 5 pound mouse before and the difference is ridiculous. I'm interested at this thread as im looking for a new one, had mine for 2 years now.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 27 September 2013, 04:55:59
I'm going to be the one guy that just comes out with it, Razer naga, Purley because i had a 5 pound mouse before and the difference is ridiculous. I'm interested at this thread as im looking for a new one, had mine for 2 years now.

The Naga is a good mouse, it is actually one of my favourite mice simply due to the shape.
Although if you're looking for a new mouse and like having lots of buttons, see if you can try a G600. Buttons are way better, as is the software, but depending on how you use your mouse the shape might be a dealbreaker, so unless the side buttons are top priority I would recommend trying before you buy.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: MrRossyTaylor on Fri, 27 September 2013, 05:00:48
I'm going to be the one guy that just comes out with it, Razer naga, Purley because i had a 5 pound mouse before and the difference is ridiculous. I'm interested at this thread as im looking for a new one, had mine for 2 years now.

The Naga is a good mouse, it is actually one of my favourite mice simply due to the shape.
Although if you're looking for a new mouse and like having lots of buttons, see if you can try a G600. Buttons are way better, as is the software, but depending on how you use your mouse the shape might be a dealbreaker, so unless the side buttons are top priority I would recommend trying before you buy.
Thanks mate, ill have a look into it, yeah i do love the shape of the naga though. Currently studying 3D animation and graphic design so shape is key as i need a good grip on the mouse for precision but i might keep my naga for that and have the G600 as a gaming mouse/general use/
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 27 September 2013, 05:12:22
One thing thus far that hasn't been mentioned yet what about the Scroll Wheel, which rodent has the better scroll wheel action?

The surprising thing with my collection is that so far, the Mionix Naos 5000 has the absolute BEST action scroll wheel.  Silent yet firm action when used.  The DA2013 has the usual scroll one way it's tolerable but scroll up and the blighter makes noise.  To me that's cheap rubbish.  I want both ways to be equally quiet not just one way, but maybe the idiots at Razer thought that was a design necessity, who knows?

Yep, so which of the people here have a scroll wheel that they love so much they bought the mouse to use it........ ?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 27 September 2013, 06:08:04
I'm going to be the one guy that just comes out with it, Razer naga, Purley because i had a 5 pound mouse before and the difference is ridiculous. I'm interested at this thread as im looking for a new one, had mine for 2 years now.

The Naga is a good mouse, it is actually one of my favourite mice simply due to the shape.
Although if you're looking for a new mouse and like having lots of buttons, see if you can try a G600. Buttons are way better, as is the software, but depending on how you use your mouse the shape might be a dealbreaker, so unless the side buttons are top priority I would recommend trying before you buy.
Thanks mate, ill have a look into it, yeah i do love the shape of the naga though. Currently studying 3D animation and graphic design so shape is key as i need a good grip on the mouse for precision but i might keep my naga for that and have the G600 as a gaming mouse/general use/

If you do graphic design I would highly recommend a graphics tablet.
Also, the shape doesn't matter much outside of gaming; the main reason for suggesting to try the G600 first is that it doesn't lend itself very well to games where you lift the mouse often, since the shape lets you rest your hand on it. If you lift it often then you might risk accidentally pressing buttons on the numpad. Although since it has a good dual-layer feature you could just have all the main layer buttons do nothing and have all your commands on the second layer.

Basically; you're not gonna lose precision in your normal programs. You don't need to place the text correctly in PS before some other guy, you can take your time and make sure everything is the way you want it, the reason people need mouse precision is so they can do precision movements as quick as possible, before the other guy shoots them. There's not that kind of timed pressure in design.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: MrRossyTaylor on Fri, 27 September 2013, 07:02:05
I'm going to be the one guy that just comes out with it, Razer naga, Purley because i had a 5 pound mouse before and the difference is ridiculous. I'm interested at this thread as im looking for a new one, had mine for 2 years now.

The Naga is a good mouse, it is actually one of my favourite mice simply due to the shape.
Although if you're looking for a new mouse and like having lots of buttons, see if you can try a G600. Buttons are way better, as is the software, but depending on how you use your mouse the shape might be a dealbreaker, so unless the side buttons are top priority I would recommend trying before you buy.
Thanks mate, ill have a look into it, yeah i do love the shape of the naga though. Currently studying 3D animation and graphic design so shape is key as i need a good grip on the mouse for precision but i might keep my naga for that and have the G600 as a gaming mouse/general use/

If you do graphic design I would highly recommend a graphics tablet.
Also, the shape doesn't matter much outside of gaming; the main reason for suggesting to try the G600 first is that it doesn't lend itself very well to games where you lift the mouse often, since the shape lets you rest your hand on it. If you lift it often then you might risk accidentally pressing buttons on the numpad. Although since it has a good dual-layer feature you could just have all the main layer buttons do nothing and have all your commands on the second layer.

Basically; you're not gonna lose precision in your normal programs. You don't need to place the text correctly in PS before some other guy, you can take your time and make sure everything is the way you want it, the reason people need mouse precision is so they can do precision movements as quick as possible, before the other guy shoots them. There's not that kind of timed pressure in design.
Yeah you're right, it just takes time to adjust i suppose, i will definitely look into it though, Thanks for the recommendation
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PointyFox on Fri, 27 September 2013, 08:38:49
Logitech G5

I think mine's going on 8 years of use now.  Does anyone else here have a mouse they've been using longer?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Tarzan on Fri, 27 September 2013, 08:58:59
Logitech G5

I think mine's going on 8 years of use now.  Does anyone else here have a mouse they've been using longer?

Razer Viper.  I think I used that one for about six or seven years. 
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ynrozturk on Fri, 27 September 2013, 09:07:00
Logitech G5

I think mine's going on 8 years of use now.  Does anyone else here have a mouse they've been using longer?

I used my Logitech MX518 for 11 years.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: bchan009 on Fri, 27 September 2013, 11:55:04
First post on the forum!  =D

I use an Elecom Scope Node.  Love it. <3

(http://www.elecom.co.jp/global/release/200905/m-sn2dl/image/M-SN2DLBK_01L.jpg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: saturnotaku on Fri, 27 September 2013, 12:41:25
I used my Logitech MX518 for 11 years.

Me too. This week, I swapped it out for the new Logitech G602. I'm loving the feel of it, but as usual, the software can be a bit flaky at times.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: damorgue on Fri, 27 September 2013, 13:07:16
I still have a fully working MX500. I have only replaced the feet, cable and the spring for the scroll. I don't know exactly when it launched but it has probably seen a few miles. That would be a nifty feature, an internal counter of approximately how far it as slided over the years.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 28 September 2013, 20:55:30
Has anyone here on Geekhack bought and/or used the current Microsoft Comfort Mouse 6000 yet?

Please let us know how it feels or if you could make any comparisons to any previous older mice from them.  Very interested in finding out if it's better or worse than their famous Intellimouse Explorer 3.0.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 29 September 2013, 07:20:55
Has anyone here on Geekhack bought and/or used the current Microsoft Comfort Mouse 6000 yet?

Please let us know how it feels or if you could make any comparisons to any previous older mice from them.  Very interested in finding out if it's better or worse than their famous Intellimouse Explorer 3.0.

Considering the popularity of the IME 3.0 I think we'd know about it by now if the 6k was any better. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's not, since people still love and want the 3.0 despite the 6k being available.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ctbear on Sun, 29 September 2013, 10:18:50
I've gone through many mouses for the last few years, and I finally settle down on a Steelseries Sensei. Lightweight, accurate, useful software, onboard profile and customization.
I would also recommend a Steelseries Kana if you want something similar to the old MS IME3.0.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Phedran on Sun, 29 September 2013, 12:10:14
Trying out a Logitech G500s, still not sure what I think. Replacing an old DA; originally was thinking of getting a Steelseries Sensei but don't have it available locally, almost bought a DA 2013 but thought I should try something new. I'm sort of a fingertip-grip, I like the shape even if it's unfamiliar, still playing with the additional weights, getting used to the different sensitivity and wheel. Giving it a couple days before I decide whether to keep it or not.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: tanilolli on Sun, 29 September 2013, 18:35:07
My favorite mouse, and daily driver for the last two years has been the Logitech G700. It's as clean as the day I bought it, and if it ever breaks (knock on wood) I will replace it with the new G700s. Besides that, I also use a Kensington Slimblade from time to time just to change things up a bit.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 29 September 2013, 18:53:56
Trying out a Logitech G500s, still not sure what I think. Replacing an old DA; originally was thinking of getting a Steelseries Sensei but don't have it available locally, almost bought a DA 2013 but thought I should try something new.

The 500S is a FINE rodent, you'll have no trouble using it at all.  The surface finish is way above a DA2013 cheapo spray job, done in the back shed during summer  :p .

Even though the 500S has a Laser sensor there is no problems using it in any environment (Gaming or Applications.)  I still go back to mine when I encounter something foul like Razer rubbish or Mionix crap.  In the end I suspect I will always go back to Logitech the ONLY company making universal mice that just work in any OS.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 29 September 2013, 18:59:46
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's not, since people still love and want the 3.0 despite the 6k being available.

Maybe everyone is scared to try one out.  After all currently most of the current Microsoft range is designed by tossers thinking bright colours and weird shapes will attract people.  It may be so but US here (Geekhack) are not that naive.  I might buy one just to try out, because how could they really stuff up a classic that still gets rave reviews, years down the track?

I still like the shape, which is very important for rodents in general.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 29 September 2013, 19:02:21
Trying out a Logitech G500s, still not sure what I think. Replacing an old DA; originally was thinking of getting a Steelseries Sensei but don't have it available locally, almost bought a DA 2013 but thought I should try something new.

The 500S is a FINE rodent, you'll have no trouble using it at all.  The surface finish is way above a DA2013 cheapo spray job, done in the back shed during summer  :p .

Even though the 500S has a Laser sensor there is no problems using it in any environment (Gaming or Applications.)  I still go back to mine when I encounter something foul like Razer rubbish or Mionix crap.  In the end I suspect I will always go back to Logitech the ONLY company making universal mice that just work in any OS.

You do know that Logitech use pretty much the same surface finish for several of their mice? G700s, G600, Naga 2012 and DA2013 all use the same surface finish. The exact chemicals might be different, I don't know, but they feel exactly the same to me and have the same properties. If anything, the G700s surface was worse than the previously mentioned mice.
Also, plenty of manufacturers make mice that work just fine under any OS, what you're talking about is software, which very few mice require for basic functionality.

Edit:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's not, since people still love and want the 3.0 despite the 6k being available.

Maybe everyone is scared to try one out.  After all currently most of the current Microsoft range is designed by tossers thinking bright colours and weird shapes will attract people.  It may be so but US here (Geekhack) are not that naive.  I might buy one just to try out, because how could they really stuff up a classic that still gets rave reviews, years down the track?

I still like the shape, which is very important for rodents in general.

Considering the dedicated following the 3.0 has and how much many would like a rebirth, I'm pretty sure we'd know if the 6k was a worthy successor. Although it might be a good replacement for you, personally, depending on your requirements, but generally I'm gonna say it's not.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 29 September 2013, 20:07:34
If anything, the G700s surface was worse than the previously mentioned mice. Also, plenty of manufacturers make mice that work just fine under any OS, what you're talking about is software, which very few mice require for basic functionality.

I haven't bought the G700S but if you claim it's the same surface finish as the DA2013 (only worse) then I'll avoid the purchase just the same.  PLUS I hate wireless rodents to begin with, have no need for them at all.  I only mentioned the latest G400S and G500S (I own both) but love using the G500S due to it's laser.  Plus the surface finish is way superior to the DA2013.  The DA2013 feels like sand paper with an un-even finish like someone ran out of the craggy/sandy surface when sprayed all over the casing (hence my insistence it was hand-sprayed in a garden shed) giving it that sort of quality.  Very poor indeed compared to the G400S and G500S finish which is superb and done professionally without any differing/textured spots on their casing.

Also "software" ( I never use software from any company's mouse) well I have the current version of Windows 8 Pro x64 (yes shoot me in the head), and the current Mionix 5000 and 8200 series won't play ball with the OS.  Even though there are firmware (software) updates available and applied to these rodents they still will hose the OS given the chance.  The 5000 series likes to restart the OS when I select "Shut Down".  Go figure the rodent won't allow the PC to turn off completely.  The only way to leave the PC off is to pull out the Mionix usb connection then the PC stays off.  This same behaviour also occurred with Razer Diamondback and Lachesis too (nice to know that CRAP mice are universal rather than adhering to only one manufacturer).

That is something weird with just these rodents made by Mionix and Razer hence my general disdain of them.  Although they are the only rodents to do that with my current Internet PC and also tried them on several other computers with the same result using the Win 7 and 8 OS's.

Considering the dedicated following the 3.0 has and how much many would like a rebirth, I'm pretty sure we'd know if the 6k was a worthy successor. Although it might be a good replacement for you, personally, depending on your requirements, but generally I'm gonna say it's not.

Well then it looks likes it's going to be me then, in finding out about their latest model rodent.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 30 September 2013, 07:02:54
I'm looking at the Corsair M65. And the Gigabyte Krypton. Having a hard time deciding.

The "sniper" button on the M65 has me weary. leaning towards the krypton although I dislike the branding.

I have an M60, it's a really well built mouse and comfortable. I never really use the sniper button, but I can see how it may be useful. A lot of people complain about the software, I never installed it though. Not sure how that has changed with the M65
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: McWilloughby on Mon, 30 September 2013, 07:30:55
I'm looking at the Corsair M65. And the Gigabyte Krypton. Having a hard time deciding.

The "sniper" button on the M65 has me weary. leaning towards the krypton although I dislike the branding.

I have an M60, it's a really well built mouse and comfortable. I never really use the sniper button, but I can see how it may be useful. A lot of people complain about the software, I never installed it though. Not sure how that has changed with the M65

I have the M60 (for which the software is pretty buggy and a bit cryptic) and I set up a friend's M65 for him when I built his PC. The software is the same as far as I can tell but what I did is configure the mouse how I wanted it, save the config to the mouse and then uninstall the software. Any button on the mouse can be assigned to whatever you want (including the sniper button).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Mon, 30 September 2013, 07:40:30
Can't really decide on my favorite...

(http://imageshack.us/a/img138/3194/nk5o.jpg)

The rubber coating as well as the teflon feet of the Roccat Kone Pure are completely uncomparable with any other mice I've used, including some models from Razer (DA 3.5, Abyssus, Imperator and Naga), but although the ergonomy isn't really all that bad, it's just not as good as the Corsair M65 (third) or the Logitech G9x.

The perfect mouse for me, would be a Logitech G9x with proper internals and NOT this **** he has inside:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7572/tklr.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img59/183/iy0t.jpg)

Seriously, Logitech just had to go and use the worst scroll available, the worst switch for the middle button and some crappy switches for the side buttons....

And by the way, in case anyone's wondering, the best bang for the buck, imo, is the CM Storm Recon, has even higher quality internals than the Roccat Kone Pure and cost half as much.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 30 September 2013, 07:42:53
Don't remember when I last posted in this thread, but anyways...

Kensington Expert Mouse.  Big ole trackball.

Trackballs ftw
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 30 September 2013, 13:06:28
One thing thus far that hasn't been mentioned yet what about the Scroll Wheel, which rodent has the better scroll wheel action?

The surprising thing with my collection is that so far, the Mionix Naos 5000 has the absolute BEST action scroll wheel.  Silent yet firm action when used.  The DA2013 has the usual scroll one way it's tolerable but scroll up and the blighter makes noise.  To me that's cheap rubbish.  I want both ways to be equally quiet not just one way, but maybe the idiots at Razer thought that was a design necessity, who knows?

Yep, so which of the people here have a scroll wheel that they love so much they bought the mouse to use it........ ?

I am quite interested in this as I am currently searching for and trying out different scroll designs for use in my mouse project. More input like this would be helpful. I am going to visit a larger store which has a few mice on display to test and try out the scroll mechanisms but I doubt I am allowed to disassemble them or make any further investigations.

I think mine's going on 8 years of use now.  Does anyone else here have a mouse they've been using longer?

Logitech MX500 since roughly the time of launch. What would that be, early 2002 or something?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:03:31
Don't remember when I last posted in this thread, but anyways...

Kensington Expert Mouse.  Big ole trackball.

Trackballs ftw

Can't forget the trusty ol' Trackpoint L40! Best $5 mouse I ever bought.
(http://cdn.overclock.net/2/21/217aff73_ibm_trackpoint.jpeg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 30 September 2013, 18:39:42
I am quite interested in this as I am currently searching for and trying out different scroll designs for use in my mouse project. More input like this would be helpful. I am going to visit a larger store which has a few mice on display to test and try out the scroll mechanisms but I doubt I am allowed to disassemble them or make any further investigations.

I bought the MIONIX 5000 due to it having that perfect Scroll Wheel Action which I want as silent as possible in both directions yet you still feel the movement subtly through your index finger.  I still haven't found another mouse with a scroll wheel that has a similar feel to the Mionix rodent.  Pity the sensor is so horrible making the whole thing rather useless.  Although it would be nice to transfer the scroll wheel onto another mouse housing and seeing if it works.  If you want to be nasty buying the your next rodent, in a bricks and mortar establishment you can still take it apart but be careful reinstalling the mouse feet back into position so that it looks like new when you return it - after it's disembowelment.

I've done that a few times over the years so that it saved me at least over $200 in total when it came to finding out what's inside these nasty little critters ;) .

Logitech MX500 since roughly the time of launch. What would that be, early 2002 or something?

I had an MX500 but eventually the side black plastic/rubber housing started to become chewable as my dog decided it tasted that good it had to munch on it.  It was my favourite rodent at the time but unfortunately they don't sell them any more - even on Ebay.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 30 September 2013, 19:18:47
Anyone used or tried the Zowie FK before ?
I might wanna get that. Currently using a SS Sensei Non-Raw
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Mon, 30 September 2013, 20:40:41
Anyone used or tried the Zowie FK before ?
I might wanna get that. Currently using a SS Sensei Non-Raw

I did, just sold it.

Awesome mouse but too low and narrow for my liking :(
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 30 September 2013, 21:20:50
Anyone used or tried the Zowie FK before ?
I might wanna get that. Currently using a SS Sensei Non-Raw

I did, just sold it.

Awesome mouse but too low and narrow for my liking :(

Apparently it's the exact replicate of a sensei except slighly thinner.
Hmm, there's no brick and mortar shop around here for me to test it.  :(
Might just try my luck with it and hopefully I'll like it.
Thanks anyways
 :p
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 30 September 2013, 21:44:48
Can't forget the trusty ol' Trackpoint L40! Best $5 mouse I ever bought.

Hey Mr. Windows here's the first ever right handed IBM rodent I've ever seen for sale;

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/IBM-M018B-3-Button-USB-Ball-Mouse-Mice-FREE-Shipping-USED-/310745327929?pt=Mice&hash=item4859dd6939

Just found it by accident, because I'm such an Ebay Addict  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 01 October 2013, 00:59:46
Just received my ROCCAT Kone XTD.

It comes in a substantial package, very swish.  Says designed in Germany but of course all made in China (like all of them) but this baby actually feels sublime.

The plastic isn't that cheap nasty-style of Razer junk but a really high quality felt-like rubber finish.  It basically feels so smooth which is what I like.  I would say if you ever touched a Sea Lion that is how it feels to your fingers almost like a living creature.

The Buttons are perfect (there I said it) not loud when clicked but not silent either and the SCROLL Wheel is basically like Mionix only BETTER.  Did you know they designed the scroll wheel to take a minimum weight of 3kgs of pressure.  In fact I tried to snap the wheel off by leaning in to it with half my body weight and it still never cracked or broke.  Looks like I'll have to torture it in another way.

It's a basically large style mouse compared to everything else out there but the quality of the mouse is something else.  Very easy to move around on my mouse pad but the thing that bothers me are the stupid-ass vegas lights - which is worse than a DA2013.  I don't like the lights blinking on and off in a pulse like transition.  Of course it's perfect at night when you can see it clearly if there is no extra lighting besides the monitor and that mouse.

It came with four 5g's of weights which I piled into the Kone XTD and it actually is now a very perfectly weighted mouse.  Because I like heavy mice this baby is now suddenly my darling, she stays were you leave her because the cable isn't strong enough to move it if you yank it around violently.  The cable too feels so soft like a strand of hair that my GF has.  She of course is now jealous because of my sudden admiration for this new toy I have.

So far when using it without any software installed or bothered to update the firmware at all,  the OS seems to like it so.  Damn, it looks like there are perfect rodents left for the consumer, you just have to look and try.  Although I have to use this baby for another 2 to 3 months before I bestow my high admiration award for this mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Tue, 01 October 2013, 04:56:48
Apparently it's the exact replicate of a sensei except slighly thinner.
Hmm, there's no brick and mortar shop around here for me to test it.  :(
Might just try my luck with it and hopefully I'll like it.
Thanks anyways
 :p

Yeah, it's usually a leap of faith when it comes to Zowie stuff, there's no physical shop that carries it in my whole country.

With the FK, I felt like my hand was kind of hovering over the mouse, which gets tiring after a while. But I still miss it :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Tue, 01 October 2013, 05:13:02
It's a basically large style mouse compared to everything else out there but the quality of the mouse is something else.  Very easy to move around on my mouse pad but the thing that bothers me are the stupid-ass vegas lights - which is worse than a DA2013.  I don't like the lights blinking on and off in a pulse like transition.  Of course it's perfect at night when you can see it clearly if there is no extra lighting besides the monitor and that mouse.

It's possible to turn the lights off, at least on other Roccat mouses, through Roccat linux drivers (http://sourceforge.net/projects/roccat/) (no idea about the MS Windows software).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: damorgue on Tue, 01 October 2013, 05:16:16
Logitech MX500 since roughly the time of launch. What would that be, early 2002 or something?
I had an MX500 but eventually the side black plastic/rubber housing started to become chewable as my dog decided it tasted that good it had to munch on it.  It was my favourite rodent at the time but unfortunately they don't sell them any more - even on Ebay.

I got a second one as a spare a few years back but I have yet had to use it in any way since my first one is still rocking it. I have replaced the feet, the cord and done few modifications inside though. The rubber coating also wore off on the sides so I bead blasted it to remove it and make the matte finish actually be the plastic. That has lasted ever since and not gotten shiny.

I have taken a cheapo scroll unit from a budget crap mouse which I will use in my new one for now, but I will definitely look into the Mionix 5000 and Roccat Kone XT. I am going to make it perfect.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SNF on Wed, 09 October 2013, 17:36:03
1)WMO 1.1 Bluemouse
2)g400

Debating to get Zowie AM or FK  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:26:08
1)WMO 1.1 Bluemouse
2)g400

Debating to get Zowie AM or FK  :rolleyes:

FK! btw where are you getting it from ? ^-^
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 18 October 2013, 01:26:40
I got the latest rodent dropped off on my front doorstep so to speak.  It's a ROCCAT KONE Pure Optical.

So far it's quite nice.  Not as heavy as the XTD nor as big but extremely usable.  Only downside, the Razer-like red coloured, heartbeat flaring of the led.

It has the same extraordinary felt like rubber on both sides of the rodent plus a normal plastic top (with a matt finish).  Nothing spectacular looking but it seems quite conservative, compared to most teenage-style like rodents - being sold on the net.

The optical sensor seems just as good as the XTD's laser one.  The scroll wheel is sublime, so silent yet a nice faint notch-like feeling as you work the beggar up or down in any situation.  Again I pressed the scroll wheel down so hard my nail changed colour from flesh tone to bright white for 3 minutes yet nothing snapped.  Means this baby is a keeper.  Every mouse I buy I give it the full thumb treatment grip to see if the scroll wheel will snap off or the switch breaks, but it hadn't even missed a beat.

I can tell you one thing for sure ROCCAT really do make top quality mice now.  Because this is my second version from them I wait for their next models to be released soon.

The funny thing is, I still haven't got my Zowie EC1 eVo yet .......
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: damorgue on Fri, 18 October 2013, 01:41:54
The scroll wheel is sublime, so silent yet a nice faint notch-like feeling as you work the beggar up or down in any situation.  Again I pressed the scroll wheel down so hard my nail changed colour from flesh tone to bright white for 3 minutes yet nothing snapped.  Means this baby is a keeper.  Every mouse I buy I give it the full thumb treatment grip to see if the scroll wheel will snap off or the switch breaks, but it hadn't even missed a beat.

If you ever have to open it up to fix something, please let me know.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 18 October 2013, 02:08:34
If you ever have to open it up to fix something, please let me know.

No worries.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: brialona on Fri, 18 October 2013, 02:18:04
I just got the ss sensei raw, it's decent so far but I'm not to fond of the buttons on the right.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 18 October 2013, 02:18:52
You won't believe it but just now a second delivery van came by and dropped off my Zowie EC1 eVo rodent......yeah  :thumb: .

Just broke it out of the White and Black packaging and it looks almost exactly like an official Microsoft Optical IE 3.0.  But this latest Zowie mouse has come in a totally white colour, mimicking a microsoft rodent (that's why I chose it).

In fact the surface treatment of the plastic is exactly like Microsoft's older mice with a shiny coating that sticks to your fingers.  In fact the more you sweat the stickier the mouse becomes, go figure.  The only downside is the scroller which passed my thumb grip but is extremely noisy as you scroll up and down compared to the ROCCAT version. 

The EC1 also has the original style of grey rubber cable which is unique in the world of ONLY Black coloured-woven, covering amongst 99.8% of world mouse's (aka rodents).  But the good thing is the cable is so light there is no hindrance when moving it furiously around the pad in any situation.

But kudos to Zowie in trying their best to beat an IE 3.0 it might not be perfect but it will definitely beat down your enemies in any game.  PS. I like the button underneath the mouse that has 3 selections of pointer speed (red)450, (purple)1150 and (blue)2300 dpi.  The simplest mouse to configure - before you use it in any game though.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Fri, 18 October 2013, 02:26:40
You won't believe it but just now a second delivery van came by and dropped off my Zowie EC1 eVo rodent......yeah  :thumb: .

Just broke it out of the White and Black packaging and it looks almost exactly like an official Microsoft Optical IE 3.0.  But this latest Zowie mouse has come in a totally white colour, mimicking a microsoft rodent (that's why I chose it).

In fact the surface treatment of the plastic is exactly like Microsoft's older mice with a shiny coating that sticks to your fingers.  In fact the more you sweat the stickier the mouse becomes, go figure.  The only downside is the scroller which passed my thumb grip but is extremely noisy as you scroll up and down compared to the ROCCAT version.

But kudos to Zowie in trying their best to beat an IE 3.0 it might not be perfect but it will definitely beat down your enemies in any game.  PS. I like the button underneath the mouse that has 3 selections of pointer speed (red)450, (purple)1150 and (blue)2300 dpi.  The simplest mouse to configure - before you use it in any game though.

Love them Zowies. EC1 eVo (mine is black) is my current favourite while I await my CLs. Got it from the recommended retailer in Malaysia but apparently it got caught in the customs there :(

Sounds like you will like the new scroll wheel, which is supposed to be lighter ;)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 18 October 2013, 02:36:09
Love them Zowies. EC1 eVo (mine is black) is my current favourite while I await my CLs. Got it from the recommended retailer in Malaysia but apparently it got caught in the customs there :(

Sounds like you will like the new scroll wheel, which is supposed to be lighter ;)

Mine came in from the US but it had a Customs form inside the packaging letting me know it was inspected to check that the item listed in the paper work is actually it.  I get a lot of this type of behaviour from Australian Customs due to the amount of stuff I buy every month from overseas.  I also buy Motorcyle parts, Tools and Equipment and they are noticing vast sum of items coming in, I suspect they're starting to pin me down when Abbott the greedy scumbag, starts to introduce elevated GST taxes and import duties.

The scroll wheel of the EC1 eVo needs to be accustomed to because I have been using the ROCCAT XTD for some time now, about a couple of weeks.  Yeah I like the Zowie very nice grip and reminds me so much of what Microsoft use to do in the OLD days.  I recommend anyone to get this Zowie because it works rather nice on a FUNC 1030 pad.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Fri, 18 October 2013, 03:53:48
Never liked the glossy coating on the EC, it gets very grippy but just feels dirty/uncomfortable, that's why I prefer rubber coating. 
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 18 October 2013, 04:00:37
Never liked the glossy coating on the EC, it gets very grippy but just feels dirty/uncomfortable, that's why I prefer rubber coating.

That is why you wash your hands which is easy.  I don't pick my nose nor my ears or even bother to scratch the arse while using the mouse, so where do you put your hands that makes them so dirty?

For me the Zowie EC1 eVo is like the Microsoft Mouse that should of been.  Very sturdy casing design that doesn't creak or crack when squeezed hard (unlike Razer DA2013 rubbish that squealed like a cheap b*tch).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Fri, 18 October 2013, 04:22:33
Not a hygiene issue because having freshly washed hands doesn't make a difference for me. ;)

I just feels sticky instead of grippy if that does make sense.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 18 October 2013, 04:38:19
I just feels sticky instead of grippy if that does make sense.

I guess I love the feel of it because it reminds me of the Intellimouse Pro PS2 mice Made in Mexico all those years ago.  I still have them and adore them so much.  It always makes me feel like I'm back in 1996 when I use them so this Zowie EC1 eVo is my time machine  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Fri, 18 October 2013, 05:35:47
Not a hygiene issue because having freshly washed hands doesn't make a difference for me. ;)

I just feels sticky instead of grippy if that does make sense.

I think you'll prefer the black, although it'll be slippery as hell if you have dry hands. It's the most slippery mouse I've used when my hand happens to be dry. The fk coating is my favourite
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Fri, 18 October 2013, 11:50:09
I prefer ambidextrous mice anyway, currently using a FK, no problems so far.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SNF on Fri, 18 October 2013, 13:08:29
#1 fav is WMO, light, good tracking, fits perfectly for my hands.. only downside is crap scrollwheel and missing side buttons.

#2 is g400, everything is great except the size and weight for my hands, and some people had issues with the wire but I never experienced it.

Debating to try a Zowie AM or FK because the side buttons would be convienant
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ComradeSniper on Sat, 19 October 2013, 00:50:00
My Imperator is acting up again and I've already sent it back to Razer for warranty once before, so I bought a Steelseries Sensei. I've been very close to pulling the trigger on a Slimblade for a while now but I do need a mouse for gaming, so a trackball will have to wait.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 26 October 2013, 21:24:39
Thermaltake Volos in White (http://www.ttesports.com/productPage.aspx?p=126&g=ftr#.Umx40vmko9k)

(http://www.ttesports.com/files/FCKeditor/image/Products/Feature/volos_W.jpg)

I've been looking for a new mouse for like a year now... My trusty Logitech MX-518 has been great, I just hate the shape along the right side.  Anyway, I've gone through many candidates and have done a lot of research, but then I stumbled upon this one today, and I think this will be the one.  When it's finally released in the U.S.

(Otherwise my top contenders were Kone Pure Color or Steelseries Sensei--until now).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sat, 26 October 2013, 21:40:39
Thermaltake Volos in White (http://www.ttesports.com/productPage.aspx?p=126&g=ftr#.Umx40vmko9k)

Show Image
(http://www.ttesports.com/files/FCKeditor/image/Products/Feature/volos_W.jpg)


I've been looking for a new mouse for like a year now... My trusty Logitech MX-518 has been great, I just hate the shape along the right side.  Anyway, I've gone through many candidates and have done a lot of research, but then I stumbled upon this one today, and I think this will be the one.  When it's finally released in the U.S.

(Otherwise my top contenders were Kone Pure Color or Steelseries Sensei--until now).
Oh wow, that might be the funkiest ugly mouse I've seen. With the xbox buttons you'd think it'd have xinput support out of the box, although I very much doubt that, but that'd be a neat feature.

If you do get it I'd very much like to hear your opinion on it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ynrozturk on Sat, 26 October 2013, 21:48:11
That looks hideous. I don't see how the two black keys near the thumb area can be of any practical use.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 26 October 2013, 23:30:50
Yeah, that could be acquired taste for some.  But it fits certain criteria I have, so it works for me.  :thumb:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: synerr on Sun, 27 October 2013, 05:43:52
I have just received a Kensington Slimblade trackball.  I have arthritic aggravated rsi and the trackball is a marked increase in comfort I haven't experienced since I traded my old generic non mechanical and laptop keyboards for the Kinesis contoured.   However, I also have a trackpad accessible on my left hand side so I can scroll with my right fingers and actuate with the left.  Working surprisingly well that now considering adding the mouse buttons to the actual keyboard surface.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: proxy2gate on Sun, 27 October 2013, 05:57:20
I can't recommend the CM Storm Spawn enough. It feels amazing in your hand and the sensor is perfect!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ctbear on Sun, 27 October 2013, 13:10:43
I have just received a Kensington Slimblade trackball.  I have arthritic aggravated rsi and the trackball is a marked increase in comfort I haven't experienced since I traded my old generic non mechanical and laptop keyboards for the Kinesis contoured.   However, I also have a trackpad accessible on my left hand side so I can scroll with my right fingers and actuate with the left.  Working surprisingly well that now considering adding the mouse buttons to the actual keyboard surface.

I've always thought about using a trackball for work but the change scares me. Is it hard to get used to if I am a really heavy mouse user?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: synerr on Sun, 27 October 2013, 14:00:21

I've always thought about using a trackball for work but the change scares me. Is it hard to get used to if I am a really heavy mouse user?

It took me under half an hour to get comfortable with it.  Having said that I repeat that I am doing some of the mouse events (right clicking) on the a separate trackpad as per attached depending on what I'm doing and what feels most comfortable.

Accuracy wise it's up there but I doubt one can ever match the speed and dexterity of a mouse.  My objective however remains to minimise stress on hands.

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Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ctbear on Sun, 27 October 2013, 14:22:52

I've always thought about using a trackball for work but the change scares me. Is it hard to get used to if I am a really heavy mouse user?

It took me under half an hour to get comfortable with it.  Having said that I repeat that I am doing some of the mouse events (right clicking) on the a separate trackpad as per attached depending on what I'm doing and what feels most comfortable.

Accuracy wise it's up there but I doubt one can ever match the speed and dexterity of a mouse.  My objective however remains to minimise stress on hands.

(Attachment Link)

That's the main reason I am considering a trackball too.
I want to try it, but the Slimblade goes for about $100 on Amazon, which is kind of steep for an experiment/trial. Do you have any cheaper recommendation?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: synerr on Sun, 27 October 2013, 14:59:32

That's the main reason I am considering a trackball too.
I want to try it, but the Slimblade goes for about $100 on Amazon, which is kind of steep for an experiment/trial. Do you have any cheaper recommendation?

Not really.  I have never used any trackball of any sorts up till 2 days ago.  £65 was very steep for me too.  It was going to be my Christmas present from my wife but paid for it now with some amazon vouchers I got for my employers for my 5 year anniversary on the job.  The horrendously expensive Kinesis left a big dent in my pocket but with wrist pain reaching unbearable levels my ability to work was being affected.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Sun, 27 October 2013, 19:17:54
Yeah, that could be acquired taste for some.  But it fits certain criteria I have, so it works for me.  :thumb:

I know judging it based on a few pictures doesn't really hold any water, but my impression so far is that the mouse was designed by someone who doesn't know the meaning of that word.
Like a marketing guy going through a list; "people play LoL and WoW, and they want a bunch of buttons, right? and xbox is popular, let's add some of that. oh and we need some of that dpi stuff, let's put some buttons for that on there."
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 27 October 2013, 19:21:26
That's okay, everyone's notion of attractive is different.  I find a lot of Razer mice absolutely hideous, like the bulbous Naga series.  Mionix Naos is hideous to me, as is CM Storm Spawn.  Those are all very popular mice.  I like the clean lines of Steelseries and Roccat mice as much as the next person, but I think this one's pretty cool myself.  Perhaps they shouldn't have chosen that weird pink-red backlight color for their promo photos.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Toad1677 on Sun, 27 October 2013, 19:41:06
The Rat 7 by far is the best mouse I've ever used.  :thumb:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ynrozturk on Sun, 27 October 2013, 23:09:15
The Razer Naga really is beyond hideous. I own a Lachesis Refresh but at least that one looks nice.

RAT 7 is still my favorite though, in terms of looks and sheer comfort.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Mon, 28 October 2013, 06:08:02
The Razer Naga really is beyond hideous. I own a Lachesis Refresh but at least that one looks nice.

RAT 7 is still my favorite though, in terms of looks and sheer comfort.

Yeah, I love the Naga to bits, but it looks like some sort of bloated ugly spider. Lachesis Refresh is probably one of the best looking mice though, I really like the long wavy sleekness of it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:28:48
Just recently learned that "Enhance Pointer Precision" option in Windows is actually a setting that introduces acceleration.  It's always been on by default, and I didn't give it much thought.  Learning to use my mouse without it now--feels so strange :(  Hopefully it won't take long to adjust.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:33:24
Just recently learned that "Enhance Pointer Precision" option in Windows is actually a setting that introduces acceleration.  It's always been on by default, and I didn't give it much thought.  Learning to use my mouse without it now--feels so strange :(  Hopefully it won't take long to adjust.
You don't have to work/play without accel, a lot of people think all accel is bad due to all the talk about sensors with accel and stuff, but the problem isn't the acceleration itself, the problem is when you can't control it or disable it if you want.

If you prefer accel I would suggest disabling the Windows one and instead enabling it in the mouse software or game settings, as there you can tweak the accel to your liking.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:39:51
When I tried drawing spirals in Paint as a test, they were a lot more accurate and fluid when acceleration was off than with the "enhance pointer precision" being turned on.  So I figured that was a good indicator.  But it's definitely more difficult to focus on tabs and links to click, as I keep moving just past them.  I don't think there's any specific software for this, as my mouse is pretty old (MX518).

I just can't make fast swiping movements without it.  It's a lot more accurate with slower more gradual motion.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:43:18
When I tried drawing spirals in Paint as a test, they were a lot more accurate and fluid when acceleration was off than with the "enhance pointer precision" being turned on.  So I figured that was a good indicator.  But it's definitely more difficult to focus on tabs and links to click, as I keep moving just past them.  I don't think there's any specific software for this, as my mouse is pretty old (MX518).

Actually it seems like the current Logitech Gaming Software supports the MX518, but I'm not sure if it will let you tweak the accel. Currently I only have my G600 plugged in, and with that I just have a checkbox to toggle it on or off, I can't tweak it :/
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:45:04
That's good to know.  This mouse has been on a "to be replaced" status for ages now, and hopefully it will actually be replaced soon.  In which case I'll play around with my new mouse carefully.  Just thought it'd be interesting to get used to not using acceleration in Windows to see the difference.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ynrozturk on Tue, 29 October 2013, 21:57:32
I always keep that off. The MX518 is a legend of a mouse, I have one as well. Been going strong for 10 years or so. The sweet spot for me is the DPI speed, I usually have it set at 4000 on my Lachesis, 4200 on my RAT 7 and of course, 1800 on the MX518, which is the max speed.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 29 October 2013, 21:59:40
I actually had it set to second-to-highest DPI setting from the beginning but with Windows acceleration on and sensitivity slider right in the middle (6/11).  Now without acceleration, I had to bump up to the highest DPI to stay at the 6/11 sensitivity setting.  Still feels weird, but it's slowly growing on me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 29 October 2013, 22:13:00
I actually had it set to second-to-highest DPI setting from the beginning but with Windows acceleration on and sensitivity slider right in the middle (6/11).  Now without acceleration, I had to bump up to the highest DPI to stay at the 6/11 sensitivity setting.  Still feels weird, but it's slowly growing on me.

The MX518 sensor still has prediction/angle snapping though.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 29 October 2013, 22:23:36
I'm not seeing it in MS paint, drawing straight lines and spirals.  Maybe very slight angle-snapping.  I never installed any logitech software, however, just plug-and-play.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 30 October 2013, 06:03:23
I'm not seeing it in MS paint, drawing straight lines and spirals.  Maybe very slight angle-snapping.  I never installed any logitech software, however, just plug-and-play.

(Attachment Link)

The snapping is in the sensor itself, not in any software.
And yeah, looking at your lines there's clearly angle snapping.

Although again, it's not something that's inherently bad, the bad part is that you can't control it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 30 October 2013, 13:44:18
This is with acceleration turned on--a lot less control (thought you probably can't tell by those spirals, but I can tell drawing them) and looks like prediction for straight lines

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 30 October 2013, 15:05:12
Got 3 new mice:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img571/4083/qe2n.jpg)

Ozone Radon Opto: Hideous bloody thing. Awful shape (I suppose it was designed to be only Palm but failed horribly at it), crap side buttons, low quality plastic and some terrible software. The only good thing about it is its sensor, AVAGO 3090. 4/10

Razer Naga Molden: A rather "love it or hate it" shape, but somehow it really does fits nice on my hand, but I see why Razer modified its shape on the 2014 Edition. Anyways, software isn't even 1/10 as good as the marketing and its fanboys say, having a numpad is really interesting for playing MMORPG games, but somehow I just don't find it all that nice for FPS. Plus, its sensor is a bit weird, a few times the mouse just moved itself up while shaking after I made some movements... 7/10.

Still haven't used the CM Storm Spawn much, but I've really liked its external components and internals... Best scroll of them by far, awesome shape (though I do admit that not everyone likes that ring-finger rest on its right side), bad software and the side buttons would be far better were they not so short, but it's still good. 8.5/10.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 31 October 2013, 00:18:47
Well... after having tried a bunch of different mice: G400, G700s, G9x, Razer Deathadder, Razer Taipan, Razer Imperator, Razer Abyssus, Razer Lachesis, Steel Series Sensei, and Mionix Avior (which came out just recently)...

I'm going to have to pick the Razer Taipan as my favorite (of course, this is just my personal favorite; everyone's opinions are different). Now, is it the PERFECT mouse? No. There is obviously potential for a better mouse to come out in the future, but for now, the Taipan is my personal favorite.

To me, the shape is the most important thing, and I just really, really like the Taipan's slim and narrow shape. It just feels better to me to have that narrow form factor, while I'm gaming and moving the mouse all over the pad, than having a bigger, filled-out mouse like the Deathadder (although the Deathadder comes a close 2nd or 3rd among my list of mice). The narrower, and slim form factor allows me to change, and have flexibility over, my grip while the mouse is moving.

With something bigger like the Deathadder, and the worst, the G9x (with its fatter grip), I'm kind of always forced to have one specific grip the entire time I hold the mouse. Luckily, the Deathadder has nice curves so it doesn't cause much fatigue, but with something like the G9x (with fat grip), my grip just gets tired and worn out over time. In fact, fatigue and getting worn out seems to be a theme for me (although it may be different with other people) with all the Logitech mice, such as the G700s and G400.

Which is unfortunate, because Logitech has made amazingly comfortable mice before, such as the M500. It is still in production, but it unfortunately doesn't have DPI adjustment, which is why I don't use it.

That said, yes, I understand the Taipan has that laser sensor with hardware acceleration built-in, but... I've always secretly believed it really isn't that big of a deal. I see pros use mice with the laser hardware-accel sensor all the time, such as the Sensei and the G9x, so I have to assume it really isn't that big of a deal. I really won't make judgments against the acceleration built into the sensor, until I really see and feel the affects of it in-game. But to this day, I haven't yet, so it's not something I'm going to consciously avoid.

Also, I do think the dual sensor system used by Razer for the Taipan mouse makes the mouse movement a little smoother for a laser mouse (this has nothing to do with acceleration; I'm just mentioning the smoothness in this paragraph). As I understand it, optical sensors and laser sensors inherently feel different on screen, but for some reason the Razer Taipan's laser sensor seems smoother than other mice that use the same laser 8200 DPI sensor, such as the G700s, Steel Series Sensei MLG Edition, and the Mionix Avior 8200. I just used the Mionix Avior a week ago, and I immediately noticed the difference when I switched over to the Taipan.

Again, this probably doesn't have anything to do with the acceleration, but when talking about the overall smoothness of the cursor movement on the screen. The Taipan seemed to be smoother compared to other mice using the same laser 8200 DPI sensor, and I think it has something to do with the dual sensor system by Razer. IIRC, the dual sensor system employs an optical sensor in conjunction with the 8200 DPI laser sensor, and I think that is somehow helping smooth out the movement.

That's it for my opinions on the Taipan for now. If there had to be a perfect mouse for me, it would have a shape similar to that of the Taipan, but more "ergonomic". It would have to be just as narrow and slim, but also have curves at the same time for comfort. So, maybe something like a hybrid of the Deathadder and the Taipan.

Interestingly, the M500 by Logitech comes really close to that shape. All Logitech would need to do is add a DPI adjustment to that mouse, and they would have a pretty decent mouse on their hands to sell to the public. But, no... it seems they are only interested in making mice with wonky shapes (G9x, G700s) to mark-up and overprice as "specialty gaming mice". Then again, you could say that about every other "gaming" mouse manufacturer out there, including Steel Series, Razer, and Mionix.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dustinhxc on Thu, 31 October 2013, 01:31:25
Logitech M510 Fits in my hand perfect and works flawlessly. But Id like something just a tad longer.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PointyFox on Thu, 31 October 2013, 02:17:53
Logitech M510 Fits in my hand perfect and works flawlessly. But Id like something just a tad longer.

That's what she said.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dustinhxc on Thu, 31 October 2013, 02:20:22
Logitech M510 Fits in my hand perfect and works flawlessly. But Id like something just a tad longer.

That's what she said.


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Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 31 October 2013, 07:38:34
snip

Actually, despite all their other flaws, twin-eye sensors don't have acceleration.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Thu, 31 October 2013, 07:47:34


That's what she said.

Michael?!?!?!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 31 October 2013, 11:43:34
snip

Actually, despite all their other flaws, twin-eye sensors don't have acceleration.

If I'm understanding things correctly, though, the dual sensor system Razer uses for their Taipan doesn't actually use the PTE, and instead uses one of the Avago 8200 DPI laser sensors (http://www.custompcreview.com/reviews/razer-taipan-ambidextrous-gaming-mouse-review/11658/3/). Hence, my comparison with other mice that use the Avago laser sensor (G700s, Sensei MLG Edition, and Mionix Avior 8200), and the comments about acceleration.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 31 October 2013, 11:49:01
snip

Actually, despite all their other flaws, twin-eye sensors don't have acceleration.

If I'm understanding things correctly, though, the dual sensor system Razer uses for their Taipan doesn't actually use the PTE, and instead uses one of the Avago 8200 DPI laser sensors. Hence, my comparison with other mice that use the Avago laser sensor, and the comments about acceleration.

Yeah, I'm a bit unsure about the newer dual-sensor systems, but what the PTE is is basically an optical and a laser sensor from what I understand, so I assume that it is possible to use more than just one model of laser sensor for dual systems(if the original PTE used an Avago laser, and not some other model).

I'm not 100% sure how Razer's new system works, I just assumed they fiddled with a PTE system. It could have accel, although I can't say for sure since I can't say I notice the accel inherent in the laser sensors.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 31 October 2013, 11:51:31
Nope. I think you have the two things confused. The dual sensor system used in the Taipan is completely, 100% different than the PTE, which is the Philips Twin-Eye sensor. The laser sensor used in the Taipan is from Avago. I think you may think they are the same because of the "dual" in their monikers, but they are different. Check the link I posted above (http://www.custompcreview.com/reviews/razer-taipan-ambidextrous-gaming-mouse-review/11658/3/), and here: http://www.esreality.com/wiki/Hardware:Mice_Sensors
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 31 October 2013, 12:00:04
Nope. I think you have the two things confused. The dual sensor system used in the Taipan is completely, 100% different than the PTE, which is the Philips Twin-Eye sensor. The laser sensor used in the Taipan is from Avago. I think you may think they are the same because of the "dual" in their monikers, but they are different. Check the link I posted above (http://www.custompcreview.com/reviews/razer-taipan-ambidextrous-gaming-mouse-review/11658/3/), and here: http://www.esreality.com/wiki/Hardware:Mice_Sensors
Ah, I just assumed that the PTE combined a normal laser and optical sensor in some weird way, and that what Razer did was just move the sensors around, but a quick read-up on what the PTE actually does did help to clear things up.

Seems like Razer's current dual sensor system is just there for surface calibration and lift-off distance, although personally I've found the surface calibration to cause trouble for no noticeable benefit, and you don't need two sensors to adjust lift-off distance. But hey, marketing.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 31 October 2013, 12:07:41
Yea... I also do think the pad calibration is unnecessary, and I have certainly seen LOD adjustment features on single sensor mice (Mionix Avior/Sensei)...

But I do think the dual sensor system in the Taipan does help a bit with the smoothness, though. As mentioned in that long post about the Taipan, even though the Taipan uses a variant of the Avago sensor used in other mice, such as the G700s, Sensei MLG Edition, and the Mionix Avior 8200, it is significantly smoother. So I have to assume it's the dual sensor system helping with the smoothness... but, I can't be for sure.

That said, yea, it still inherits the acceleration of all Avago laser sensors, unfortunately.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 31 October 2013, 12:49:15
Yea... I also do think the pad calibration is unnecessary, and I have certainly seen LOD adjustment features on single sensor mice (Mionix Avior/Sensei)...

But I do think the dual sensor system in the Taipan does help a bit with the smoothness, though. As mentioned in that long post about the Taipan, even though the Taipan uses a variant of the Avago sensor used in other mice, such as the G700s, Sensei MLG Edition, and the Mionix Avior 8200, it is significantly smoother. So I have to assume it's the dual sensor system helping with the smoothness... but, I can't be for sure.

That said, yea, it still inherits the acceleration of all Avago laser sensors, unfortunately.

Huh, you might be right, the only mouse I have that uses the new dual sensor system is the Ouroboros, but that's so riddled with issues that the tracking wasn't something I paid much attention to.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dustinhxc on Thu, 31 October 2013, 22:28:39


That's what she said.

Michael?!?!?!



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Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 03 November 2013, 01:00:55
Yea... so... do people remember the long write-up I had about the Taipan? Well, just a couple of days ago the sensor completely died. This was within two weeks of purchasing it. This is the third Taipan I've ran into quality control issues with - yes, I should known better after the last two failures, but I figured the quality control couldn't be THAT bad. Well, I don't know how I feel about the Taipan, now. I didn't get a replacement, that's for sure.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 03 November 2013, 01:31:26
Well, just a couple of days ago the sensor completely died. This was within two weeks of purchasing it. This is the third Taipan I've ran into quality control issues with - yes, I should known better after the last two failures, but I figured the quality control couldn't be THAT bad.

Yes, we have all been there with Razer.  In the end better to go elsewhere and find something better (which is easier to do now).  I just gave up on any Razer product because they're the worst exponents in ultra poor quality control, yet will not change their behaviour.  Maybe in the US if there was a Class-action law suit they may change their shoddy disgust towards customers but it looks like it's the same old thing occurring again and again.

Besides there are heaps of other manufacturers that have superb design and quality compared to Razer.  Only difference with them they don't pour money into cheap propaganda to promote their rubbish, like what Razer spends.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: viowastaken on Tue, 05 November 2013, 01:25:22
My mouse purchasing addiction precedes my keyboard addiction.

I have more than I care to admit, and the current top choice is:

#1 Steelseries KanaV2
#2 Razer Deathadder 3.5g
#3 Scorpion - Zealot jr


All optical with outstanding performance.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 05 November 2013, 01:47:54
I have more than I care to admit, and the current top choice is:

#3 Scorpion - Zealot jr


My cousin has a TEAM Scorpion Zealot Gaming laser mouse and he loves it.  Have yet to see it so I can't compare quality to anything made by Logitech or Razer (although no one can make anything worse than what Razer can).

Nice to see a no-name company kicking the big-fat, lazy arses of large corporations when it comes to input products  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: viowastaken on Tue, 05 November 2013, 03:13:58
I have more than I care to admit, and the current top choice is:

#3 Scorpion - Zealot jr


My cousin has a TEAM Scorpion Zealot Gaming laser mouse and he loves it.  Have yet to see it so I can't compare quality to anything made by Logitech or Razer (although no one can make anything worse than what Razer can).

Nice to see a no-name company kicking the big-fat, lazy arses of large corporations when it comes to input products  :thumb: .

The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 05 November 2013, 03:47:40
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.

Yeah the lamented Avago 9500 series.  Still it never stopped the G9x from gaining top cudos from all the so-called professionals on the web, go figure  ;) .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Candyflip on Tue, 05 November 2013, 03:48:21
Abyssus, I've been through a lot of mice and this one is just the one for me
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 05 November 2013, 05:37:48
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.

Yeah the lamented Avago 9500 series.  Still it never stopped the G9x from gaining top cudos from all the so-called professionals on the web, go figure  ;) .

Just shows how little the sensor actually matters, although the 9500 has never been a problematic sensor with the exception of the Naos 5k, so "lamented" isn't really the right word to use. It has been well implemented for the most part, the inherent accel is really irrelevant for the uses of the majority of the market.
Shape is #1 factor in a mouse, if the shape doesn't suit you then how good the sensor is matters ****-all, but on the flip-side; if the shape is just right, then sensor is largely irrelevant(just look at the RAT7 for instance. Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 05 November 2013, 06:21:32
Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).

Yeah, I ended up ordering a RAT-3, so soon as it comes in I'll see what all the fuss is about.  Just a weird looking rodent that reminds me of a splattered rat, with it's guts hanging out - so neat  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 05 November 2013, 06:26:56
Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).

Yeah, I ended up ordering a RAT-3, so soon as it comes in I'll see what all the fuss is about.  Just a weird looking rodent that reminds me of a splattered rat, with it's guts hanging out - so neat  :thumb: .

The 3 is somewhat lacking. While you can adjust the palm rest, you don't get the option to swap any of the bits, although you do get a sensor that isn't terrible so there's that I guess. I couldn't replace my 7 with a 3 since it lacks quite a bit of what I love about the 7 though.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: viowastaken on Tue, 05 November 2013, 08:36:47
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.

Yeah the lamented Avago 9500 series.  Still it never stopped the G9x from gaining top cudos from all the so-called professionals on the web, go figure  ;) .

Just shows how little the sensor actually matters, although the 9500 has never been a problematic sensor with the exception of the Naos 5k, so "lamented" isn't really the right word to use. It has been well implemented for the most part, the inherent accel is really irrelevant for the uses of the majority of the market.
Shape is #1 factor in a mouse, if the shape doesn't suit you then how good the sensor is matters ****-all, but on the flip-side; if the shape is just right, then sensor is largely irrelevant(just look at the RAT7 for instance. Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).

Subjective at best.

By and large most casual gamers who play call of modern duty at 4000+ DPI don't give a crap that their laser mice have acceleration, but there is a real slim and ever decreasing minority of elite FPS gamers who put up with any level of acceleration. Naturally 5/10% acceleration isn't going to make Cooler lose a duel vs a n00b, but that doesn't mean that it isn't very significant to him or other FPS players.

Regarding shape I agree it is very important, but more important than the sensor quality is just your opinion, and one I don't share. I've used the deathadder for about a year even though i loathe the shape and weight just because the sensor is spectacular. I currently use the Kanav2 which is a very good mix of an awesomely implemented sensor and a good shape. However I still prefer the Sensei shape over it, but wouldn't consider swapping it out for even a second due to the sensor lacking.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 05 November 2013, 09:11:54
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.

Yeah the lamented Avago 9500 series.  Still it never stopped the G9x from gaining top cudos from all the so-called professionals on the web, go figure  ;) .

Just shows how little the sensor actually matters, although the 9500 has never been a problematic sensor with the exception of the Naos 5k, so "lamented" isn't really the right word to use. It has been well implemented for the most part, the inherent accel is really irrelevant for the uses of the majority of the market.
Shape is #1 factor in a mouse, if the shape doesn't suit you then how good the sensor is matters ****-all, but on the flip-side; if the shape is just right, then sensor is largely irrelevant(just look at the RAT7 for instance. Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).

Subjective at best.

By and large most casual gamers who play call of modern duty at 4000+ DPI don't give a crap that their laser mice have acceleration, but there is a real slim and ever decreasing minority of elite FPS gamers who put up with any level of acceleration. Naturally 5/10% acceleration isn't going to make Cooler lose a duel vs a n00b, but that doesn't mean that it isn't very significant to him or other FPS players.

Regarding shape I agree it is very important, but more important than the sensor quality is just your opinion, and one I don't share. I've used the deathadder for about a year even though i loathe the shape and weight just because the sensor is spectacular. I currently use the Kanav2 which is a very good mix of an awesomely implemented sensor and a good shape. However I still prefer the Sensei shape over it, but wouldn't consider swapping it out for even a second due to the sensor lacking.


I did say it was for the majority of the market; the majority of the market is the casual CoD/BF crowd, those who need a good sensor are competitive FPS players, which isn't really a large portion. Obviously I would recommend a mouse with a good sensor for anyone playing FPS often, but for the majority of the pub players they'll benefit more from just practice and getting good at the game.
And that's just talking about gaming, plenty of people who don't play games use gaming mice simply because they find the shape good or they like some of the features.

So yeah, I never said that sensor is irrelevant for those who take FPS seriously, but for anyone else the slight increase in sensor precision isn't going to do much. Even in FPS you'll most likely need to go above pub level before it really actually matters. Not that it's wrong to want a good mouse with a flawless sensor(or as flawless as sensors get anyway), that's perfectly reasonable, and sensor is always worth considering when picking a new mouse.

Edit:
To clarify; I'm very much an old-school FPS fan, I grew up with stuff like CS and Quake, and I'm sad to see them nearly die out, although it is understandable since people are less and less willing to put in the effort to learn a game and actually get good at it, when you can just jump into an easier version of it and feel like a pro right away.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: viowastaken on Tue, 05 November 2013, 14:54:25
The "senior" model has a rather subpar sensor in it unfortunately. The 3090 in the Zealot Jr is 90% of the reason it's on my list.

Yeah the lamented Avago 9500 series.  Still it never stopped the G9x from gaining top cudos from all the so-called professionals on the web, go figure  ;) .

Just shows how little the sensor actually matters, although the 9500 has never been a problematic sensor with the exception of the Naos 5k, so "lamented" isn't really the right word to use. It has been well implemented for the most part, the inherent accel is really irrelevant for the uses of the majority of the market.
Shape is #1 factor in a mouse, if the shape doesn't suit you then how good the sensor is matters ****-all, but on the flip-side; if the shape is just right, then sensor is largely irrelevant(just look at the RAT7 for instance. Half-assed implementation of a shoddy sensor, and yet it has some of the most dedicated owners I've seen).

Subjective at best.

By and large most casual gamers who play call of modern duty at 4000+ DPI don't give a crap that their laser mice have acceleration, but there is a real slim and ever decreasing minority of elite FPS gamers who put up with any level of acceleration. Naturally 5/10% acceleration isn't going to make Cooler lose a duel vs a n00b, but that doesn't mean that it isn't very significant to him or other FPS players.

Regarding shape I agree it is very important, but more important than the sensor quality is just your opinion, and one I don't share. I've used the deathadder for about a year even though i loathe the shape and weight just because the sensor is spectacular. I currently use the Kanav2 which is a very good mix of an awesomely implemented sensor and a good shape. However I still prefer the Sensei shape over it, but wouldn't consider swapping it out for even a second due to the sensor lacking.


I did say it was for the majority of the market; the majority of the market is the casual CoD/BF crowd, those who need a good sensor are competitive FPS players, which isn't really a large portion. Obviously I would recommend a mouse with a good sensor for anyone playing FPS often, but for the majority of the pub players they'll benefit more from just practice and getting good at the game.
And that's just talking about gaming, plenty of people who don't play games use gaming mice simply because they find the shape good or they like some of the features.

So yeah, I never said that sensor is irrelevant for those who take FPS seriously, but for anyone else the slight increase in sensor precision isn't going to do much. Even in FPS you'll most likely need to go above pub level before it really actually matters. Not that it's wrong to want a good mouse with a flawless sensor(or as flawless as sensors get anyway), that's perfectly reasonable, and sensor is always worth considering when picking a new mouse.

Edit:
To clarify; I'm very much an old-school FPS fan, I grew up with stuff like CS and Quake, and I'm sad to see them nearly die out, although it is understandable since people are less and less willing to put in the effort to learn a game and actually get good at it, when you can just jump into an easier version of it and feel like a pro right away.

I think we're just violently agreeing with eachother.
The point I'm trying to make is that I think that everyone will benefit from having a great sensor in their mice. The level of muscle memory that you are able to build with a great mouse is significant, and to me at least it provides a more comfortable gaming experience. When I test a bad mouse, I may not play significantly worse with it, but it is less comfortable. It doesn't feel "right".

I believe that even casuals who get accustomed to a good mouse will feel the same way. Like going from a membrane keyboard to a mechanical keyboard. You may not type any faster on the mechanical keyboard, but man does it feel great to type on. It makes typing fun, and you can feel the key actuating etc. Shape and ergonomics is a factor of it, and imho so is the cursor behaviour / max speed etc.


Edit: found a thread on overclock.net with all the mice I've owned that I could remember:

MS 1.1
WMO
RX 250 (several of these)
Razer boomslang, original razer ball-mouse. Thing should be in a museum!
Razer copperhead
MX 300 (several of these)
MX310
Logitech G1
Logitech G3
Logitech g9x
Logitech g100
Logitech g100s
Steelseries Xai
Steelseries Sensei Raw
Razer Abyssus
Zowie AM
Zowie Mico
Razer Deathadder (x2)
Razer Krait 2013
Zealot jr
Steelseries Kana V2



heia norge btw :)

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 05 November 2013, 15:28:03
snip

Yeah, obviously a good sensor is better, but if all you're playing is casual BF4 and you want a fancy gaming mouse because of the features on it(was gonna say RAT7 or Naga, but both of those use PTE which has no accel, although still bad) then it's not worth sacrificing those features just for a slightly better sensor.


Side note:

Man I want a Boomslang and a Copperhead, but the Copperhead is near impossible to find and the Boomslangs that are available are all crazy expensive for what they are.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 05 November 2013, 17:11:18
Side note:

Man I want a Boomslang and a Copperhead, but the Copperhead is near impossible to find and the Boomslangs that are available are all crazy expensive for what they are.

Then be prepared to clean (at least twice a week) that rubber ball inside the Boomslang.  Which gets to be a pain especially after enjoying all the current rodents who all have fitted led/lazer sensors.

The ONLY good thing about the Boomslang is it's decent size, which all mice should of adopted, plus for an ambidextrous design - it was quite nice  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 05 November 2013, 17:43:58
Side note:

Man I want a Boomslang and a Copperhead, but the Copperhead is near impossible to find and the Boomslangs that are available are all crazy expensive for what they are.

Then be prepared to clean (at least twice a week) that rubber ball inside the Boomslang.  Which gets to be a pain especially after enjoying all the current rodents who all have fitted led/lazer sensors.

The ONLY good thing about the Boomslang is it's decent size, which all mice should of adopted, plus for an ambidextrous design - it was quite nice  :thumb: .

Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.


Also, I'd like to add a side note that applies to most of my posts, since it did cause a bit of confusion earlier;
The vast majority of what I say is ignoring the hardcore FPS players, since my experience is that they are perfectly capable of making up their own mind when it comes to what they need in a mouse and which mice will fit those needs.
If any serious FPS players(or anyone else in the same boat as them) have actually gotten anything out of what I've said or would like me to include them in my meanderings then do say so, but so far what I say is primarily meant to give those who aren't into this sort of thing, or at least not all that into it, some help towards making an informed purchase.

As long as people make informed purchases I don't give a rat's ass about what they actually buy*, that's my philosophy when it comes to most consumer hobbies.

*I don't really care either way since it doesn't affect me much, but if everyone made informed decisions then we'd probably see quite a bit of positive change in the markets.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 05 November 2013, 19:01:12
Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.

Sorry to infer all Boomslang's had the ball (but my model had the ball) and while it worked flawlessly it had to be cleaned twice a week so that it could glide perfectly on the pad.

As long as people make informed purchases I don't give a rat's ass about what they actually buy*, that's my philosophy when it comes to most consumer hobbies.

*I don't really care either way since it doesn't affect me much, but if everyone made informed decisions then we'd probably see quite a bit of positive change in the markets.

Here here, it's good to see someone stand up for the common consumer, looking for an input device to suit their usage.  I personally never gave much thought to buying mice but now I am more cautious because not all companies make rubbish consistently (unlike Razer).  Hence it's good to see other companies stepping up with interesting rodents built for gaming and common use.

I have to say it's all down to you vun for making me choose a better mouse, instead of putting up with drab rubbish which 99% of users (wild personal guesstimate) are stuck with today  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Tue, 05 November 2013, 20:39:54

I think we're just violently agreeing with eachother.
The point I'm trying to make is that I think that everyone will benefit from having a great sensor in their mice. The level of muscle memory that you are able to build with a great mouse is significant, and to me at least it provides a more comfortable gaming experience. When I test a bad mouse, I may not play significantly worse with it, but it is less comfortable. It doesn't feel "right".

I believe that even casuals who get accustomed to a good mouse will feel the same way. Like going from a membrane keyboard to a mechanical keyboard. You may not type any faster on the mechanical keyboard, but man does it feel great to type on. It makes typing fun, and you can feel the key actuating etc. Shape and ergonomics is a factor of it, and imho so is the cursor behaviour / max speed etc.


Edit: found a thread on overclock.net with all the mice I've owned that I could remember:

MS 1.1
WMO
RX 250 (several of these)
Razer boomslang, original razer ball-mouse. Thing should be in a museum!
Razer copperhead
MX 300 (several of these)
MX310
Logitech G1
Logitech G3
Logitech g9x
Logitech g100
Logitech g100s
Steelseries Xai
Steelseries Sensei Raw
Razer Abyssus
Zowie AM
Zowie Mico
Razer Deathadder (x2)
Razer Krait 2013
Zealot jr
Steelseries Kana V2



heia norge btw :)

Interesting that you haven't listed the Logitech MX518 and its line of mice (G400, G400s). Did you just forget to list it, or have you actually not used it? If you have used that line of mice before, what are your opinions on them?

Also, I noticed you wrote the "Steel Series Kana V2" as your favorite mouse... but I've tried to look up that item on the Steel Series website, and I only see the "Kinzu V2". Is there indeed a Kana V2 that Steel Series hasn't listed on their website yet? Or is it typo? If so, is it the Kana, or Kinzu V2 that is your favorite?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 05 November 2013, 20:43:07
Kana v2 exists, just has not been released in the US market.  Here's a review and a discussion thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1419598/steelseries-kana-v2-review-by-takasta-updated-white-version
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Tue, 05 November 2013, 20:52:26
Interesting. Yea, I just checked the Steel Series website, and it's not listed there. I just check Amazon, and it's not listed there, either. So I guess it is an out-of-US product, like the Razer Krait 2013. Thanks for the FYI.

That said, viowastaken, you said you liked the shape of the Sensei better than the Kana. Have you felt fatigue with either mouse shape? Because I actually tried a Sensei for a bit, and I found the grip fatiguing, so I'm wondering if I tried the Kana, but it's worse than the Sensei, it might be even more fatiguing than the Sensei (for me, at least).
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: viowastaken on Wed, 06 November 2013, 01:28:08
Interesting. Yea, I just checked the Steel Series website, and it's not listed there. I just check Amazon, and it's not listed there, either. So I guess it is an out-of-US product, like the Razer Krait 2013. Thanks for the FYI.

That said, viowastaken, you said you liked the shape of the Sensei better than the Kana. Have you felt fatigue with either mouse shape? Because I actually tried a Sensei for a bit, and I found the grip fatiguing, so I'm wondering if I tried the Kana, but it's worse than the Sensei, it might be even more fatiguing than the Sensei (for me, at least).

Hi,

No it feels just fine too, I never got any sort of fatigue or hand craps even when I play with super small or big mice. Zowie mico or razer deathadder, no problem either way.

Regarding right handed mice: I'm left handed. The deathadders that I list are left handed. That is why I never touched the g400 or g500 or any of the logitech right hand ergo mice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 06 November 2013, 02:41:55
Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.
The Boomslang CE (limited to 10.000 units) uses the same sensor as the original DA (Avago S3668).



Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 06 November 2013, 05:18:02
Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.
The Boomslang CE (limited to 10.000 units) uses the same sensor as the original DA (Avago S3668).





Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that fairly problematic? Or were the original problems with the DA not related to the sensor? My memory is a bit fuzzy on the matter.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Wed, 06 November 2013, 07:49:17
Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.
The Boomslang CE (limited to 10.000 units) uses the same sensor as the original DA (Avago S3668).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that fairly problematic? Or were the original problems with the DA not related to the sensor? My memory is a bit fuzzy on the matter.
Iirc the minor sensor problems it may have had got fixed with FW updates. They also released a "no angle snapping" FW for the DA (and Copperhead).
Max speed was way better with 1800 CPI than with 450/900 CPI, dunno if that ever got fixed.

I don't remember any real problems with the DA besides squeaky wheels.

Edit: I remember people complaining about the Salmosa (same sensor) because you couldn't upgrade the FW but I don't remember if they complaint about a therefor unfixable sensor/tracking problem or just that they couldn't have a Salmosa without angle snapping.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 06 November 2013, 07:54:27
Actually, most of the Boomslangs I found on eBay were the newer ones with a (probably terrible) laser sensor, made to celebrate the original Boomslang.
The Boomslang CE (limited to 10.000 units) uses the same sensor as the original DA (Avago S3668).





Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that fairly problematic? Or were the original problems with the DA not related to the sensor? My memory is a bit fuzzy on the matter.
Iirc the minor sensor problems it may have had got fixed with FW updates. They also released a "no angle snapping" FW for the DA (and Copperhead).
Max speed was way better with 1800 CPI than with 450/900 CPI, dunno if that ever got fixed.

I don't remember any real problems with the DA besides squeaky wheels.

Fair enough, I just remember seeing a few posts here and there about the early DA being flawed.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 06 November 2013, 17:25:27
Fair enough, I just remember seeing a few posts here and there about the early DA being flawed.

Wouldn't it be something if you had the early DA model and it died on you, instead of throwing it away you transplant the 2013 model's guts - into the older DA's housing?

Maybe it could be done or Razer had stopped it from ever happening but it would save any broken older DA's from landfills at least.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Wed, 06 November 2013, 18:07:21
Fair enough, I just remember seeing a few posts here and there about the early DA being flawed.

Wouldn't it be something if you had the early DA model and it died on you, instead of throwing it away you transplant the 2013 model's guts - into the older DA's housing?

Maybe it could be done or Razer had stopped it from ever happening but it would save any broken older DA's from landfills at least.

I do have a bunch of mice with the DA shape, optimally I'd consider putting the DA2013 internals into the MS/Razer Habu, since I prefer the surfaces on that over the DA2013, which comes in at a close second. The Habu is a weird thing, like the IME 3.0 both the materials and build quality feels cheap, but for some reason it just feels amazing anyway.

Although I have no desire to put the new DA internals into the old DA, since I prefer the surface on the new one.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Calcifar on Wed, 13 November 2013, 16:10:26
My all time favorite would be the Razer salmosa. Now if that ever came with thumb buttons :-/
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 01 December 2013, 02:59:22
I've just grabbed the xornet with my left hand... and it feels very interesting! Obviously, the extra buttons get in the way and the whole left side isn't really suited for resting the small finger, but the whole shape is surprisingly comfy. It makes me wonder even more why there are so few really wide mouses.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: boardcolletor on Wed, 04 December 2013, 02:23:21
My fav mouse is listed as picture:
(http://i.imgur.com/TQCbVGk.jpg?1)
seems fire dancing in it.

and another one as follow is using with my Mac Pro:
(http://i.imgur.com/1wOGiQH.jpg?1)

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 04 December 2013, 06:46:30
Talk about resurrecting an OLD mouse, I found an old friend in the 3rd desk downstairs (away from my 8 legged pet) - a Logitech MX1100.

Just replugged it into my Internet machine and it just works superbly.  Amazing how they actually designed a mouse that fits your right hand perfectly (a little small but extremely comfortable).

I nearly forgot how perfect it was, easy ergonomics, brilliant FREE-spinning scroll wheel (missed that) and it's weight which is what all normal mice should be (I hate anorexic rodents).  Just need to see how long the batt can hold a charge before I bestow my complete appreciation towards this mouse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Wed, 04 December 2013, 09:19:57
EC1 eVo CLs are here.. Aaaw yeah
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 04 December 2013, 16:38:42
EC1 eVo CLs are here.. Aaaw yeah

Now comes the LLLOOOONNNNGGGGG wait till it appears on Ebay for sale  :( .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Phagocytosis on Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:08:59
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system

I can't really get used to any other shape now haha

(http://mionix.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mionix-Naos-5000-Back-Left.jpg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stancato9 on Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:11:19
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system

I can't really get used to any other shape now haha

Show Image
(http://mionix.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mionix-Naos-5000-Back-Left.jpg)


I have the 8200. Awesome mouse but I will most likely purchase the Steelseries Rival in the coming months.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 04 December 2013, 19:51:43
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system

Yes I've got the weight based system one.  It has a PERFECT scroll wheel to use, but I couldn't get the Naos 5000 to work at all within Windows 8.  But it's perfect in Windows 7 (which I'm now re-installing on all my PC's).

It has a nice finish but their firmware is woeful, especially within Win 8.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 04 December 2013, 20:13:31
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system

I can't really get used to any other shape now haha

Show Image
(http://mionix.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mionix-Naos-5000-Back-Left.jpg)


hmm this looks really nice!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stancato9 on Wed, 04 December 2013, 20:15:28
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system

Yes I've got the weight based system one.  It has a PERFECT scroll wheel to use, but I couldn't get the Naos 5000 to work at all within Windows 8.  But it's perfect in Windows 7 (which I'm now re-installing on all my PC's).

It has a nice finish but their firmware is woeful, especially within Win 8.

Mine works perfectly fine in Windows 8/8.1.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 04 December 2013, 21:11:59
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system

Yes I've got the weight based system one.  It has a PERFECT scroll wheel to use, but I couldn't get the Naos 5000 to work at all within Windows 8.  But it's perfect in Windows 7 (which I'm now re-installing on all my PC's).

It has a nice finish but their firmware is woeful, especially within Win 8.

Mine works perfectly fine in Windows 8/8.1.

What firmware version did you use, V1.15 or V1.32?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: stancato9 on Wed, 04 December 2013, 21:26:44
I've been using my mionix naos 5000 ever since I tried my brother's years ago. There's an updated one but it doesn't have a weight system

Yes I've got the weight based system one.  It has a PERFECT scroll wheel to use, but I couldn't get the Naos 5000 to work at all within Windows 8.  But it's perfect in Windows 7 (which I'm now re-installing on all my PC's).

It has a nice finish but their firmware is woeful, especially within Win 8.

Mine works perfectly fine in Windows 8/8.1.

What firmware version did you use, V1.15 or V1.32?

Not sure  :-[

It might differ as well because I have the 8200.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Phagocytosis on Wed, 04 December 2013, 22:39:20
The firmware makes all of the difference! My brother's died randomly and it was brought back to life with a firmware update.
Mine also had this issue of double clicking when clicking once and it finally disappeared after multiple firmware updates
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 14 December 2013, 12:50:26
My trusty old MX518 started having surface registration issues.  It behaves as if I lift it up and move it around, suddenly orienting my field of view in a random direction when in games.  I don't notice it much in normal OS applications, but it's quite noticeable in games.  I've looked at the sensor opening at the bottom of the mouse where the red light shines and is reflected off the mousing surfaces, and it it was a bit dusty, so I've cleaned it.  But the issue's still ongoing.  Tried various mousepads and surfaces--no difference.  Any ideas if this could be fixed by cleaning something further or why this is happening?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 14 December 2013, 12:54:22
edit: wrong thread :(
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 14 December 2013, 16:54:36
By the time this is approved and is operational, AND more companies are using air-delivery, drugs will probably be legalized anyway.

Damn, where is it that you live by the way - that will enable this heavenly pursuit of "Legalized Drugs"?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 14 December 2013, 17:03:54
By the time this is approved and is operational, AND more companies are using air-delivery, drugs will probably be legalized anyway.

Damn, where is it that you live by the way - that will enable this heavenly pursuit of "Legalized Drugs"?

That was me posting in a wrong thread :D  It was for the amazon air package delivery thread.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Skull_Angel on Sat, 14 December 2013, 17:08:03
My trusty old MX518 started having surface registration issues.  It behaves as if I lift it up and move it around, suddenly orienting my field of view in a random direction when in games.  I don't notice it much in normal OS applications, but it's quite noticeable in games.  I've looked at the sensor opening at the bottom of the mouse where the red light shines and is reflected off the mousing surfaces, and it it was a bit dusty, so I've cleaned it.  But the issue's still ongoing.  Tried various mousepads and surfaces--no difference.  Any ideas if this could be fixed by cleaning something further or why this is happening?

How old is the mouse? Judging from the model it's probably quite broken-in, lol. If I were to take a wild guess, I'd say that the wire is going bad, it's not uncommon for wires that see movement to go bad in older peripherals; it shouldn't be that hard to replace with a new wire if you can open up the mouse without busting it (I've seen a few general tutorials for replacing USB mouse wires float around the web).


edit: wrong thread :(

Wrong thread? lol
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Nixietube on Tue, 17 December 2013, 11:30:32
the one and only MX518 is my weapon of choice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:46:57
Just got in on the Func MS-3 group buy on MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/func-ms-3 (on Func's site (http://www.func.net/en/products/ms-3/))

DISCLAIMER: HAR HAR Avago 9500 blah blah I know

However, for $30 (normally $80 on newegg) I couldn't really pass it up, plus the ergonomics look interesting.

Will probably post a review once it gets in
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:51:33
Just got in on the Func MS-3 group buy on MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/func-ms-3 (on Func's site (http://www.func.net/en/products/ms-3/))

DISCLAIMER: HAR HAR Avago 9500 blah blah I know

However, for $30 (normally $80 on newegg) I couldn't really pass it up, plus the ergonomics look interesting.

Will probably post a review once it gets in

I got into it as well, for the same reason as you. Not sure why, since it's not like I don't have enough mice already, but still, so cheap...
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: damorgue on Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:54:02
Just got in on the Func MS-3 group buy on MassDrop: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/func-ms-3 (on Func's site (http://www.func.net/en/products/ms-3/))

DISCLAIMER: HAR HAR Avago 9500 blah blah I know

However, for $30 (normally $80 on newegg) I couldn't really pass it up, plus the ergonomics look interesting.

Will probably post a review once it gets in

I got into it as well, for the same reason as you. Not sure why, since it's not like I don't have enough mice already, but still, so cheap...

I too am considering it since the shape looks somewhat familiar :rolleyes:

(http://i.imgur.com/Ao8iSCV.png)(http://i.imgur.com/EMKTeWD.png)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Thu, 19 December 2013, 20:01:13
Dude, it's $30. I'd be seriously surprised if for some reason it wasn't worth it. Hell, you could probably turn around and sell it for more than that if you ended up not liking it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Thu, 19 December 2013, 20:10:08
Dude, it's $30. I'd be seriously surprised if for some reason it wasn't worth it. Hell, you could probably turn around and sell it for more than that if you ended up not liking it.
Heh, this is Norway, I could probably get away with selling it for double. I do think I'll like it though, as long as they haven't bungled the sensor.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ctbear on Thu, 19 December 2013, 20:27:54
Dude, it's $30. I'd be seriously surprised if for some reason it wasn't worth it. Hell, you could probably turn around and sell it for more than that if you ended up not liking it.

It's going for $121 on US Amazon right now..seriously tempted.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Canious on Thu, 19 December 2013, 22:41:40
2013 Razer Deathadder. This is the "perfect" mouse for me for all purposes. Especially for gaming
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: adhoc on Fri, 20 December 2013, 02:24:10
G9X. This is my second one already. I just hope I'll still be able to get one when this one stops working, because they went out of production. This is without a doubt the best mouse ever produced (for claw grip users):
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: cinnamoncider on Sun, 22 December 2013, 02:21:14
1. Logitech G500s - daily driver
2. Logitech G9x - gaming recommended
3. Logitech G600 - for multiple macros
4. MadCatz R.A.T. 7 - DAT TRANSFORMER ;D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Nojo on Tue, 24 December 2013, 02:09:41
1. SteelSeries Sensei - Wish its wireless, love it even though the paint chip off 
2. Razer Deathadder - Still work after few years, but extremely dirty and mouse wheel squeak like crazy
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Tue, 24 December 2013, 15:58:29
G9X. This is my second one already. I just hope I'll still be able to get one when this one stops working, because they went out of production. This is without a doubt the best mouse ever produced (for claw grip users):

Do you use it with the shell on or off?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: terran5992 on Wed, 25 December 2013, 08:04:44
Using the mamba and im loving it
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: colinm478 on Wed, 25 December 2013, 08:49:00
Corsair M60.


(http://www.gogaminggiant.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/m60_viewb_lit_11.png)

It is a god tier mouse. I've had it for probably close to two years, and it's still mint.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: McWilloughby on Wed, 25 December 2013, 10:27:23
Corsair M60.

  • Good for claw
    Adjustable DPI buttons
    on-the-fly DPI button for sniping
    2 extra buttons
    Aluminum base
    Good sensor
    Click wheel is GOD
    braided cable
    only like 70 bucks

Show Image
(http://www.gogaminggiant.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/m60_viewb_lit_11.png)


It is a god tier mouse. I've had it for probably close to two years, and it's still mint.

Really solid construction as well. I dropped mine on to my desk once (by accident) from about shoulder height, it made a hole in my mousemat  and dented my table. Mouse still works perfectly though. I'm curious to try the M40 as it potentially has a pretty good optical sensor which could be an improvement on the laser in the M60/65.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: cinnamoncider on Wed, 25 December 2013, 14:43:03
Corsair M60.

More
  • Good for claw
    Adjustable DPI buttons
    on-the-fly DPI button for sniping
    2 extra buttons
    Aluminum base
    Good sensor
    Click wheel is GOD
    braided cable
    only like 70 bucks

Show Image
(http://www.gogaminggiant.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/m60_viewb_lit_11.png)


It is a god tier mouse. I've had it for probably close to two years, and it's still mint.
I would've loved this mouse, but sadly, it's too small for me. I can still claw it though.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 25 December 2013, 17:18:58
When oh when will Thermaltake release the white Volos model in the U.S.  I even sent them an e-mail long ago, which went unanswered :(

http://www.ttesports.com/productPage.aspx?p=126&g=ftr#.UrtnhfRDu7o

It was released at the end of October and was supposed to become available "worldwide".  Grumble...  My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: McWilloughby on Wed, 25 December 2013, 18:12:06
When oh when will Thermaltake release the white Volos model in the U.S.  I even sent them an e-mail long ago, which went unanswered :(

http://www.ttesports.com/productPage.aspx?p=126&g=ftr#.UrtnhfRDu7o

It was released at the end of October and was supposed to become available "worldwide".  Grumble...  My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.
Is it specifically the white model you're looking for? The black model has been on sale in the UK for a while and I'm sure it could be proxied to you if need be..
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 25 December 2013, 18:26:44
Yup, looking for white.  The black version's been available for many months locally as well, I'm just bored with black for computer peripherals and cases, so for the past two years I've been avoiding it.  Thanks for offering.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 25 December 2013, 19:40:37
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.

I suspect you will dig it out of retirement and use that beggar again, it's just too good to pension off anytime yet.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 25 December 2013, 19:42:47
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.

I suspect you will dig it out of retirement and use that beggar again, it's just too good to pension off anytime yet.

No, it's begging for retirement because it's starting to show its age (6 years now or maybe more).  Some issues with the sensor :(  I never liked the shape very much either, but kept using it for the nice performance.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 26 December 2013, 01:32:00
No, it's begging for retirement because it's starting to show its age (6 years now or maybe more).  Some issues with the sensor :(  I never liked the shape very much either, but kept using it for the nice performance.

I still have a working MX1100 which I can't stop using.  It is STILL my go to mouse when I am using the PC for a great length of time.  Logitech designed a rodent that was perfect in every respect, they just have never released a decent ergonomic wireless mouse after the MX1100.

Wish they could just copy the older mice when it came to designing newer input devices because the older ones actually worked for right-hander's  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Thu, 26 December 2013, 11:11:00
Oooohhh that Volos looks nice.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: adion227 on Sun, 29 December 2013, 19:07:48
Originally, my heart was set on the Deathadder. I've owned like 3 deathadders. However, my deathadder recently broke on me and I tried a Zowie EC2 eVo. I love the mouse. Although I love the deathadder, I think the zowie is my new favorite mouse :D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ctbear on Sun, 29 December 2013, 23:48:00
Originally, my heart was set on the Deathadder. I've owned like 3 deathadders. However, my deathadder recently broke on me and I tried a Zowie EC2 eVo. I love the mouse. Although I love the deathadder, I think the zowie is my new favorite mouse :D

3 DAs and you still wanted to go back  :eek: I applaud your dedication.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Mon, 30 December 2013, 11:00:50
I feel that way about the Rival. I've had 5 DAs, and up until I got this Rival would've pointed to the latest rev of the DA as the greatest mouse ever made.

I still want to try a Zowie though, I really really like their minimalist approach.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ctbear on Mon, 30 December 2013, 11:37:41
I feel that way about the Rival. I've had 5 DAs, and up until I got this Rival would've pointed to the latest rev of the DA as the greatest mouse ever made.

I still want to try a Zowie though, I really really like their minimalist approach.

I think if you really liked the DA you will love the Zowie ec1. I liked the DA except that it was a little too big for me. Then I got the Zowie ec2 evo cl and omgz it was the best thing ever  :eek:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Mon, 30 December 2013, 12:10:24
I absolutely love the size of the DA (big hands here), so I think the EC1 would be the right fit for me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: adion227 on Mon, 30 December 2013, 17:43:50
Yeah the sensor was great on DA but I raged too much in counterstrike so i've gone through a lot of mice haha. Also grip on the DA for me was the best until I tried the ec2. Turns out the DA was a bit big for me l0l
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Emospence on Wed, 01 January 2014, 21:16:32
I absolutely love the size of the DA (big hands here), so I think the EC1 would be the right fit for me.

Be sure to get the CL.. Faster, non-squeaky scroll wheel
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Thu, 02 January 2014, 01:15:39
I absolutely love the size of the DA (big hands here), so I think the EC1 would be the right fit for me.

Be sure to get the CL.. Faster, non-squeaky scroll wheel

That's definitely the one I'm looking at. I love white peripherals
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dadgh on Thu, 02 January 2014, 10:05:08
Mionix Saiph 3200

(http://i.imgur.com/QNvhV7q.jpg)

I wish I could find ANYWHERE that had it in stock (discontinued and obscure brand). I really want to bring a second one to work.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: geogga on Thu, 02 January 2014, 13:29:49
O.o that thumb rest

Rocking my soon to be 3 year old razer Abyssus!

Was also thinking on the mionix avoir 8200 or lower DPI, as my favorite you tuber recommended it and I needed a new peripheral refresh after getting my ducky YOTS.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Thu, 02 January 2014, 14:15:01
I think I said the Zowie FK earlier in this thread.

However, recently I was forced to go back to my WMO 1.1a , and I have to say, it is still my favorite mouse of all time.

Yes, it was a cheap Microsoft mouse that was not even made with gaming in mind. But for a long time and even to this day, the mouse is still preferred by many pros (Quake and CS) for a reason. It is easy to see why, since somehow, it accomplishes something that many new expensive mice do not:
-No acceleration, prediction, angle snapping or any of the things that make people avoid modern laser mice
-Good lift off distance
-Subjective, but for me, still one of the best shaped mice I ever held
-Great tracking sensor
-Very light ( I hate heavy mice, I do not get how people use those heavy mice like the G500, then add even more weight to it... what? To each their own I guess)

The only downside of the mouse for me is that the stock feet are crap (easily resolved) and the max perfect tracking speed is relatively low at about 1 m/s. By overclocking it to >500Hz this improves to about 1.5 m/s, which is still relatively low, but plenty for a lot of people. The fact that it is only 400 DPI is not really a negative for anyone who is a low sensitivity player and does not play on resolutions of over 1080p. But these two things are really subpar compared to more modern mice, and ultimately the reason why it will become obsolete as a gaming mouse.

The funny thing about the MS peripherals is that gamers largely ignored their gaming line of products, which were mainly terrible with a few exceptions (the Sidewinder line, that got canned a few years ago) but there are several peripherals they made that people still buy and use now (Just among mice, IO, IME, WMO etc.) but it is almost like they never found out and never tried to cash in. Even though at one point, when the gaming market was not as saturated as it is now, they had a firm hold on it. Even though it was unintentional.

So yeah, and oldie but a goodie. I recently bought some from Takasta that have the aftermarket mod. I was skeptical but they are real WMO's underneath.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2M1gxNTk5/z/XhQAAMXQVT9SwUhG/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F)

I am not holding on to it for sentimental reasons either. If something comes along I like better, I would use it for sure. But I have not really found anything I like as much, and believe me I tried. I like the Zowie FK, but it is ultimately too low and I hate the surface material. I had the AM, but it was too narrow and hard to pick up, sold it in the Geekhack classifieds. I like the Kana v2, which also has the Avago 3090 sensor but the high (super-high!) LOD is an issue (I can do the tape-fix, then again, I can also just stick with the WMO). No matter what I try, it is like I can not get rid of the WMO.


Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ynrozturk on Fri, 03 January 2014, 12:28:05
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.

I suspect you will dig it out of retirement and use that beggar again, it's just too good to pension off anytime yet.

Mine is 9 years old and still going strong. Some wear here and there but nothing to complain about. Tracks flawlessly still. Such a legend.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 03 January 2014, 15:56:36
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.

I suspect you will dig it out of retirement and use that beggar again, it's just too good to pension off anytime yet.

Mine is 9 years old and still going strong. Some wear here and there but nothing to complain about. Tracks flawlessly still. Such a legend.

Not quite flawlessly, the MX518 sensor does have angle-snapping/prediction. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, some argue it's an advantage in certain games, but it'd be nice to have the option to disable it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: catbuster on Fri, 03 January 2014, 16:47:56
I am still using razer deathadder 1800 dpi edition (the first DA) and i love it  :cool: tried a 2013 DA and its meh, just dunno what my next mouse wil be  :'(
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: terrpn on Fri, 03 January 2014, 17:42:16
currently tt esports theron white mouse- goes with my white qfr case :thumb:

like the weight and size

color options, macro's, wheel and a real smooth omron left/right click are very likable
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ynrozturk on Fri, 03 January 2014, 19:56:28
My MX518 is begging to go into retirement.

I suspect you will dig it out of retirement and use that beggar again, it's just too good to pension off anytime yet.

Mine is 9 years old and still going strong. Some wear here and there but nothing to complain about. Tracks flawlessly still. Such a legend.

Not quite flawlessly, the MX518 sensor does have angle-snapping/prediction. Not that it's necessarily a bad thing, some argue it's an advantage in certain games, but it'd be nice to have the option to disable it.

What I meant, obviously, is that it tracks just like it did when I first got it, nine years ago.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 03 January 2014, 22:50:38
I think I said the Zowie FK earlier in this thread.

However, recently I was forced to go back to my WMO 1.1a , and I have to say, it is still my favorite mouse of all time.

Yes, it was a cheap Microsoft mouse that was not even made with gaming in mind. But for a long time and even to this day, the mouse is still preferred by many pros (Quake and CS) for a reason. It is easy to see why, since somehow, it accomplishes something that many new expensive mice do not:
-No acceleration, prediction, angle snapping or any of the things that make people avoid modern laser mice
-Good lift off distance
-Subjective, but for me, still one of the best shaped mice I ever held
-Great tracking sensor
-Very light ( I hate heavy mice, I do not get how people use those heavy mice like the G500, then add even more weight to it... what? To each their own I guess)

The only downside of the mouse for me is that the stock feet are crap (easily resolved) and the max perfect tracking speed is relatively low at about 1 m/s. By overclocking it to >500Hz this improves to about 1.5 m/s, which is still relatively low, but plenty for a lot of people. The fact that it is only 400 DPI is not really a negative for anyone who is a low sensitivity player and does not play on resolutions of over 1080p. But these two things are really subpar compared to more modern mice, and ultimately the reason why it will become obsolete as a gaming mouse.

The funny thing about the MS peripherals is that gamers largely ignored their gaming line of products, which were mainly terrible with a few exceptions (the Sidewinder line, that got canned a few years ago) but there are several peripherals they made that people still buy and use now (Just among mice, IO, IME, WMO etc.) but it is almost like they never found out and never tried to cash in. Even though at one point, when the gaming market was not as saturated as it is now, they had a firm hold on it. Even though it was unintentional.

So yeah, and oldie but a goodie. I recently bought some from Takasta that have the aftermarket mod. I was skeptical but they are real WMO's underneath.
Show Image
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2M1gxNTk5/z/XhQAAMXQVT9SwUhG/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F)


I am not holding on to it for sentimental reasons either. If something comes along I like better, I would use it for sure. But I have not really found anything I like as much, and believe me I tried. I like the Zowie FK, but it is ultimately too low and I hate the surface material. I had the AM, but it was too narrow and hard to pick up, sold it in the Geekhack classifieds. I like the Kana v2, which also has the Avago 3090 sensor but the high (super-high!) LOD is an issue (I can do the tape-fix, then again, I can also just stick with the WMO). No matter what I try, it is like I can not get rid of the WMO.

whoa link to where you got that updated 1.1a?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: HipsterPunks on Sat, 04 January 2014, 02:10:56
Im a total herb when it comes to mice, I switch off between a rat 7 to FPS, and a razer naga for anything else. Just got a RatM and a naga 2014 for Xmas , looks like the combo continues
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Sat, 04 January 2014, 12:43:03
I think I said the Zowie FK earlier in this thread.

However, recently I was forced to go back to my WMO 1.1a , and I have to say, it is still my favorite mouse of all time.

Yes, it was a cheap Microsoft mouse that was not even made with gaming in mind. But for a long time and even to this day, the mouse is still preferred by many pros (Quake and CS) for a reason. It is easy to see why, since somehow, it accomplishes something that many new expensive mice do not:
-No acceleration, prediction, angle snapping or any of the things that make people avoid modern laser mice
-Good lift off distance
-Subjective, but for me, still one of the best shaped mice I ever held
-Great tracking sensor
-Very light ( I hate heavy mice, I do not get how people use those heavy mice like the G500, then add even more weight to it... what? To each their own I guess)

The only downside of the mouse for me is that the stock feet are crap (easily resolved) and the max perfect tracking speed is relatively low at about 1 m/s. By overclocking it to >500Hz this improves to about 1.5 m/s, which is still relatively low, but plenty for a lot of people. The fact that it is only 400 DPI is not really a negative for anyone who is a low sensitivity player and does not play on resolutions of over 1080p. But these two things are really subpar compared to more modern mice, and ultimately the reason why it will become obsolete as a gaming mouse.

The funny thing about the MS peripherals is that gamers largely ignored their gaming line of products, which were mainly terrible with a few exceptions (the Sidewinder line, that got canned a few years ago) but there are several peripherals they made that people still buy and use now (Just among mice, IO, IME, WMO etc.) but it is almost like they never found out and never tried to cash in. Even though at one point, when the gaming market was not as saturated as it is now, they had a firm hold on it. Even though it was unintentional.

So yeah, and oldie but a goodie. I recently bought some from Takasta that have the aftermarket mod. I was skeptical but they are real WMO's underneath.
Show Image
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2M1gxNTk5/z/XhQAAMXQVT9SwUhG/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F)


I am not holding on to it for sentimental reasons either. If something comes along I like better, I would use it for sure. But I have not really found anything I like as much, and believe me I tried. I like the Zowie FK, but it is ultimately too low and I hate the surface material. I had the AM, but it was too narrow and hard to pick up, sold it in the Geekhack classifieds. I like the Kana v2, which also has the Avago 3090 sensor but the high (super-high!) LOD is an issue (I can do the tape-fix, then again, I can also just stick with the WMO). No matter what I try, it is like I can not get rid of the WMO.

whoa link to where you got that updated 1.1a?

Of course. I know takasta from some forums like overclock.net, and I think he is also a member/seller on this forum. This is the link to his ebay shop:
http://stores.ebay.nl/iTakTech

Just know they are not really updated WMO's. Just regular old WMO with different coatings (both glossy and matte). Though I have to say that I like how they look.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 04 January 2014, 16:54:21
Of course. I know takasta from some forums like overclock.net, and I think he is also a member/seller on this forum. This is the link to his ebay shop:
http://stores.ebay.nl/iTakTech (http://stores.ebay.nl/iTakTech)

Just know they are not really updated WMO's. Just regular old WMO with different coatings (both glossy and matte). Though I have to say that I like how they look.

So the 'coatings' are simply paint that was sprayed onto the original housing?  Please let me know.

Although I never liked the original WMO these colours really make it little more tolerable to hold  ;D .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Coreda on Sun, 05 January 2014, 01:19:39
Can anyone recommend a good, non-large mouse that doesn't have angle-snapping?

After buying a few mice a couple years ago to try I found the SteelSeries Kinzu was basically perfect except for the angle snapping (arbitrarily slapped on just because it was a cheaper/smaller version of the Xai which allowed control of this).

Currently using an old wired Kensington compact mouse as it does the job but was hoping for a nicer look :cool:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 05 January 2014, 04:18:50
I think I said the Zowie FK earlier in this thread.

However, recently I was forced to go back to my WMO 1.1a , and I have to say, it is still my favorite mouse of all time.

Yes, it was a cheap Microsoft mouse that was not even made with gaming in mind. But for a long time and even to this day, the mouse is still preferred by many pros (Quake and CS) for a reason. It is easy to see why, since somehow, it accomplishes something that many new expensive mice do not:
-No acceleration, prediction, angle snapping or any of the things that make people avoid modern laser mice
-Good lift off distance
-Subjective, but for me, still one of the best shaped mice I ever held
-Great tracking sensor
-Very light ( I hate heavy mice, I do not get how people use those heavy mice like the G500, then add even more weight to it... what? To each their own I guess)

The only downside of the mouse for me is that the stock feet are crap (easily resolved) and the max perfect tracking speed is relatively low at about 1 m/s. By overclocking it to >500Hz this improves to about 1.5 m/s, which is still relatively low, but plenty for a lot of people. The fact that it is only 400 DPI is not really a negative for anyone who is a low sensitivity player and does not play on resolutions of over 1080p. But these two things are really subpar compared to more modern mice, and ultimately the reason why it will become obsolete as a gaming mouse.

The funny thing about the MS peripherals is that gamers largely ignored their gaming line of products, which were mainly terrible with a few exceptions (the Sidewinder line, that got canned a few years ago) but there are several peripherals they made that people still buy and use now (Just among mice, IO, IME, WMO etc.) but it is almost like they never found out and never tried to cash in. Even though at one point, when the gaming market was not as saturated as it is now, they had a firm hold on it. Even though it was unintentional.

So yeah, and oldie but a goodie. I recently bought some from Takasta that have the aftermarket mod. I was skeptical but they are real WMO's underneath.
Show Image
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2M1gxNTk5/z/XhQAAMXQVT9SwUhG/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F)


I am not holding on to it for sentimental reasons either. If something comes along I like better, I would use it for sure. But I have not really found anything I like as much, and believe me I tried. I like the Zowie FK, but it is ultimately too low and I hate the surface material. I had the AM, but it was too narrow and hard to pick up, sold it in the Geekhack classifieds. I like the Kana v2, which also has the Avago 3090 sensor but the high (super-high!) LOD is an issue (I can do the tape-fix, then again, I can also just stick with the WMO). No matter what I try, it is like I can not get rid of the WMO.

whoa link to where you got that updated 1.1a?

Of course. I know takasta from some forums like overclock.net, and I think he is also a member/seller on this forum. This is the link to his ebay shop:
http://stores.ebay.nl/iTakTech

Just know they are not really updated WMO's. Just regular old WMO with different coatings (both glossy and matte). Though I have to say that I like how they look.

sweet. I own two right now (albeit one is really shiny and the other has a dead scroll sensor) but for $25 I must get one. The shape is just ****ing perfect.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 05 January 2014, 13:47:42
More
I think I said the Zowie FK earlier in this thread.

However, recently I was forced to go back to my WMO 1.1a , and I have to say, it is still my favorite mouse of all time.

Yes, it was a cheap Microsoft mouse that was not even made with gaming in mind. But for a long time and even to this day, the mouse is still preferred by many pros (Quake and CS) for a reason. It is easy to see why, since somehow, it accomplishes something that many new expensive mice do not:
-No acceleration, prediction, angle snapping or any of the things that make people avoid modern laser mice
-Good lift off distance
-Subjective, but for me, still one of the best shaped mice I ever held
-Great tracking sensor
-Very light ( I hate heavy mice, I do not get how people use those heavy mice like the G500, then add even more weight to it... what? To each their own I guess)

The only downside of the mouse for me is that the stock feet are crap (easily resolved) and the max perfect tracking speed is relatively low at about 1 m/s. By overclocking it to >500Hz this improves to about 1.5 m/s, which is still relatively low, but plenty for a lot of people. The fact that it is only 400 DPI is not really a negative for anyone who is a low sensitivity player and does not play on resolutions of over 1080p. But these two things are really subpar compared to more modern mice, and ultimately the reason why it will become obsolete as a gaming mouse.

The funny thing about the MS peripherals is that gamers largely ignored their gaming line of products, which were mainly terrible with a few exceptions (the Sidewinder line, that got canned a few years ago) but there are several peripherals they made that people still buy and use now (Just among mice, IO, IME, WMO etc.) but it is almost like they never found out and never tried to cash in. Even though at one point, when the gaming market was not as saturated as it is now, they had a firm hold on it. Even though it was unintentional.

So yeah, and oldie but a goodie. I recently bought some from Takasta that have the aftermarket mod. I was skeptical but they are real WMO's underneath.
Show Image
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2M1gxNTk5/z/XhQAAMXQVT9SwUhG/$_12.JPG?set_id=880000500F)


I am not holding on to it for sentimental reasons either. If something comes along I like better, I would use it for sure. But I have not really found anything I like as much, and believe me I tried. I like the Zowie FK, but it is ultimately too low and I hate the surface material. I had the AM, but it was too narrow and hard to pick up, sold it in the Geekhack classifieds. I like the Kana v2, which also has the Avago 3090 sensor but the high (super-high!) LOD is an issue (I can do the tape-fix, then again, I can also just stick with the WMO). No matter what I try, it is like I can not get rid of the WMO.

whoa link to where you got that updated 1.1a?
Of course. I know takasta from some forums like overclock.net, and I think he is also a member/seller on this forum. This is the link to his ebay shop:
http://stores.ebay.nl/iTakTech

Just know they are not really updated WMO's. Just regular old WMO with different coatings (both glossy and matte). Though I have to say that I like how they look.

From the seller:

Quote
This is an original WMO mouse by Microsoft, and there are no "SteelSeries" parts in it.

It's called a SteelSeries MOD because the mouse has been recoated with the words Microsoft and "SteelSeries".

Everything else is the same.

You can buy the feet for IE3 / IO1.1 which will be compatible with this mouse. Both the Tiger Gaming and Hotline Games feet work for this mouse.

So he just took a WMO and repainted it..... :mad: Why put the steelseries logo on there???

But still, at this price, its better than all the other new WMOs because its painted and most new ones go for $25-30 anyways

New mouse time  ;D Glossy blue :))
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: do_Og@n on Sun, 05 January 2014, 14:22:04
#1 - Logitech G400s: I only need to get more.

#2 - Kensington Slimblade: I know it's not a mouse but it serves the same purpose.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 05 January 2014, 14:23:06
#1 - Logitech G400s: I only need to get more.

#2 - Kensington Slimblade: I know it's not a mouse but it serves the same purpose.
]

why the 400s over say the 500 or the 700? Optical sensor?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Sun, 05 January 2014, 15:38:48
Regarding the WMO mods. The seller does not do it himself. They are being sold like that in China and you can get them in a bunch of different places. There are other mods aside from the steelseries one. Just make sure you get them from a seller where it is confirmed they are not somehow imitation products.

About the coating. To me, the original simple plastic was fine. In fact, for me it works better than all the other types of coating that many gaming mice have nowadays. Typically, the "glossy" or "rubber" coatings feels considerably worse to me than the simple plastic of (for example) the original WMO. Mouse material or coating never bothered me until brands decided to become fancy with it. Now I can not use half of the  gaming mice out there because the surface material does not work for me. I have not tried the glossy coating in the picture (even though I like the way it looks), but the matte coating works fine.

btw, grats on your glossy blue WMO  :thumb:

#1 - Logitech G400s: I only need to get more.

#2 - Kensington Slimblade: I know it's not a mouse but it serves the same purpose.
]

why the 400s over say the 500 or the 700? Optical sensor?

I think the G400(s) is a much better mouse personally. I mean, the g500(s) is heavy, the sensor is not centered, the scroll wheel is a wobbly mess, and the laser sensor has native acceleration. If you want something in that kind of shape, I would say the g400 is the way to go. But that is just me, other people may be looking for different features and characteristics.

Can anyone recommend a good, non-large mouse that doesn't have angle-snapping?

After buying a few mice a couple years ago to try I found the SteelSeries Kinzu was basically perfect except for the angle snapping (arbitrarily slapped on just because it was a cheaper/smaller version of the Xai which allowed control of this).

Currently using an old wired Kensington compact mouse as it does the job but was hoping for a nicer look :cool:

If you like the general shape of the Kinzu, you may want to look into the Kana v2. It is slightly larger than the kinzu but has the same basic shape. It has the Avago 3090 sensor with all its good properties (basically the tracking is great). However, there is one issue with the mouse, and that is the high lift off distance. You can however fix this by using the tape fix. Some people do not mind anyway and even some pros are using it "as is" at the moment, others do.

Another option that feels slightly smaller is the Zowie FK. Same idea really, small ambidextrous mouse with that same kind of shape and a 3090 optical sensor. Though with a super low lift off distance. There are other options, but I can not really recommend anything I have not used.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 05 January 2014, 16:35:20
Roccat Savu

At first, I wondered how the hell should I grip it, but it quickly became very natural (fingertip grip @ 1600 dpi, for the record). Anyway...

It's light (only 90 g), well-built (although some say the rough surface will get smoother eventually, it doesn't bother me), with great buttons and even the wheel and at last but not least, it has on-board memory and awesome GNU/Linux support (http://sourceforge.net/projects/roccat/). I can turn off the light, reconfigure buttons (one thumb button to middle click) and EasyShift is great., especially when the modifier button is in the right position—it is here. The sensor is supposed to be quite good, but I don't really care. As usual, LOD can be fixed by applying tape.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Coreda on Wed, 08 January 2014, 01:55:43

If you like the general shape of the Kinzu, you may want to look into the Kana v2. It is slightly larger than the kinzu but has the same basic shape. It has the Avago 3090 sensor with all its good properties (basically the tracking is great). However, there is one issue with the mouse, and that is the high lift off distance. You can however fix this by using the tape fix. Some people do not mind anyway and even some pros are using it "as is" at the moment, others do.

Another option that feels slightly smaller is the Zowie FK. Same idea really, small ambidextrous mouse with that same kind of shape and a 3090 optical sensor. Though with a super low lift off distance. There are other options, but I can not really recommend anything I have not used.

Found that the Zowie AM has no prediction or acceleration and is a very well reviewed mouse. Also, after seeing this image:
More
(http://www.esreality.com/files/images/2013/94111-Mouse-Tier-List-8.jpg)

It led me to the currently in development Ninox Aurora mouse (http://www.esreality.com/post/2487925/new-gaming-mouse-development-pt-2/). Same size as the Kinzu and from the description does everything right. Can't wait to read the first reviews of it!

(http://www.esreality.com/files/inlineimages/2013/96408-PA030054.jpg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: terrpn on Wed, 08 January 2014, 12:00:09
#1 - Logitech G400s: I only need to get more.

#2 - Kensington Slimblade: I know it's not a mouse but it serves the same purpose.

agreed.............i have both as well

the slingblade is one of my favorites even though it does not have all the bells and whistles.

can't believe the logitech g400 is deemed more worthy than some of its brothers, however that being said my experience with the 400 is above average, just wish it had more weight and a braided cord

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: do_Og@n on Wed, 08 January 2014, 17:38:56
I've been thinking about breaking open a G400s and installing some extra weights in there. Once I get a new one I'll have to test this out.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: terrpn on Wed, 08 January 2014, 21:03:37
I've been thinking about breaking open a G400s and installing some extra weights in there. Once I get a new one I'll have to test this out.


wow............no kidding :thumb:

am looking forward to hearing about your possible mod

i don't have a hammer that small, so will rely on you experts ;D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: do_Og@n on Wed, 08 January 2014, 22:17:51
I've been thinking about breaking open a G400s and installing some extra weights in there. Once I get a new one I'll have to test this out.


wow............no kidding :thumb:

am looking forward to hearing about your possible mod

i don't have a hammer that small, so will rely on you experts ;D

I'll be sure to upload pictures once I do.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: damorgue on Wed, 08 January 2014, 22:45:35
Does anyone still sell the G400? I want to try it but can't find a source. I have little interest in the G400s as it appears they ruined their perfect sensor.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: do_Og@n on Thu, 09 January 2014, 00:06:44
Does anyone still sell the G400? I want to try it but can't find a source. I have little interest in the G400s as it appears they ruined their perfect sensor.

You can find it on Amazon on Ebay. I've seen some stragglers in Best Buy once in a while.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 January 2014, 00:39:33
this new evga torq x10 mouse looks pretty bad ass.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Thu, 09 January 2014, 00:48:03
this new evga torq x10 mouse looks pretty bad ass.

Love the non-slick coating, but crap sensor :(
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 January 2014, 00:51:53
yeah, i've been reading about it. shame :(
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: moogle on Thu, 09 January 2014, 00:58:58
this new evga torq x10 mouse looks pretty bad ass.

Love the non-slick coating, but crap sensor :(

the placement of the weight system seems brilliant though; quite different from the traditional bottom inserts
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 09 January 2014, 02:00:13
this new evga torq x10 mouse looks pretty bad ass.

Love the non-slick coating, but crap sensor :(

the placement of the weight system seems brilliant though; quite different from the traditional bottom inserts

The so-called 'crap sensor' will only effect the hard-core gamer, the rest of us won't even notice it when used every day in a normal fashion.

I'll still buy it, simply because it has a carbon fiber chasis which is always liked.  Who knows, maybe an updated Avago ADNS 3310/3090 sensor may be used (DIY Style) inside this chassis?  Looking forward to seeing if it's possible to fully customize this latest evga model, to something worth keeping  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 09 January 2014, 09:39:51
That does look pretty nice indeed.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: do_Og@n on Thu, 09 January 2014, 10:39:35
yeah, i've been reading about it. shame :(

That is a sexy mouse but I want to see someone try to use that at 8200 DPI in a game.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 09 January 2014, 16:36:33
adjustable sizing and weight ;D

cost...........?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Thu, 09 January 2014, 17:24:35
The so-called 'crap sensor' will only effect the hard-core gamer, the rest of us won't even notice it when used every day in a normal fashion.

I must be an edge case then. I notice the issues with most laser sensors in day-to-day use (I'm not a hard-core gamer by any stretch of the imagination).

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 10 January 2014, 06:05:18
The so-called 'crap sensor' will only effect the hard-core gamer, the rest of us won't even notice it when used every day in a normal fashion.

I must be an edge case then. I notice the issues with most laser sensors in day-to-day use (I'm not a hard-core gamer by any stretch of the imagination).



I don't notice it, and I used to be a pretty hardcore gamer.

Of course, if I sat down and gathered performance data I might see a difference, but there's been no noticeable difference so far.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Fri, 10 January 2014, 07:57:07
I notice the acceleration, too. Like most people, I didn't notice it at first, but it wasn't until I switched from the Razer Taipan (Avago laser sensor), to the Deathadder 2013 (optical sensor), and then back to the Razer Taipan, that I noticed it.

True, it did take a lot to notice it, but once I noticed it, it was hard not to, and then moved back to the Deathadder 2013 ever since. I'm now searching for a new optical mouse, since the DA is too big.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Fri, 10 January 2014, 13:06:47
Also, OSX is much more sensitive to laser mice issues than Windows is. I've noticed on OSX that optical mice are much much smoother than laser.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 10 January 2014, 13:47:38
Also, OSX is much more sensitive to laser mice issues than Windows is. I've noticed on OSX that optical mice are much much smoother than laser.

OSX has some pretty nasty acceleration built in by default, too (at least the early Snow Leopard version I was using). Had to use a 3rd party app to get rid of it when I was working on it.

Do you think that could be a factor in making the laser sensor faults more obvious?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Fri, 10 January 2014, 14:31:37
Also, OSX is much more sensitive to laser mice issues than Windows is. I've noticed on OSX that optical mice are much much smoother than laser.

OSX has some pretty nasty acceleration built in by default, too (at least the early Snow Leopard version I was using). Had to use a 3rd party app to get rid of it when I was working on it.

Do you think that could be a factor in making the laser sensor faults more obvious?

I would imagine that the OS accel does make the inherent sensor accel more obvious, but I suppose it depends on how much accel from each source and how it's added.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lilky on Sat, 11 January 2014, 14:52:33
I notice the acceleration, too. Like most people, I didn't notice it at first, but it wasn't until I switched from the Razer Taipan (Avago laser sensor), to the Deathadder 2013 (optical sensor), and then back to the Razer Taipan, that I noticed it.

True, it did take a lot to notice it, but once I noticed it, it was hard not to, and then moved back to the Deathadder 2013 ever since. I'm now searching for a new optical mouse, since the DA is too big.


You should look into a Zowie FK or AM. I loved my Deathadder but it was too big for me (I use fingertip/claw grip, and  the DA is a palm grip mouse), so I switched to a Zowie FK and never looked back. I also prefer the higher tactility of the Zowie. The clicks are just more crisp and responsive.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Mon, 13 January 2014, 12:24:36
OSX has some pretty nasty acceleration built in by default, too (at least the early Snow Leopard version I was using). Had to use a 3rd party app to get rid of it when I was working on it.

Do you think that could be a factor in making the laser sensor faults more obvious?

That's actually a good point, most likely. What did you end up using, SmoothMouse?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: kenmai9 on Mon, 13 January 2014, 13:02:57
g-five-hunna
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Neal on Mon, 13 January 2014, 13:44:42
Sigh... G9x... How I miss you, if anyone has a NIB one. GIVE.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 13 January 2014, 14:09:11
Sigh... G9x... How I miss you, if anyone has a NIB one. GIVE.

I have a barely used one, but I suppose shipping wouldn't be worth it... especially considering I'm afraid I'm slowly getting into some financial trouble, hence s/give/sell.

I'm actually getting rid of my collection. (I was kinda surprised to find out I had at least 12 mouses. Now I know I won't use any but Roccat Pyra and CM Storm Xornet, until they break.)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Neal on Mon, 13 January 2014, 16:53:12
Sigh... G9x... How I miss you, if anyone has a NIB one. GIVE.

I have a barely used one, but I suppose shipping wouldn't be worth it... especially considering I'm afraid I'm slowly getting into some financial trouble, hence s/give/sell.

I'm actually getting rid of my collection. (I was kinda surprised to find out I had at least 12 mouses. Now I know I won't use any but Roccat Pyra and CM Storm Xornet, until they break.)
Keep it! Or if you're in need of money sell it, its a wonderful mouse if you ask me.
It's probably not too hard to find one, but I have not looked. o:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Vaii on Mon, 13 January 2014, 17:31:41
Really pleased with my Steelseries sensei at the moment.

However I used to use a razer naga back when I properly played MMO's and that one was a beast aswell.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Mon, 13 January 2014, 20:01:07
I notice the acceleration, too. Like most people, I didn't notice it at first, but it wasn't until I switched from the Razer Taipan (Avago laser sensor), to the Deathadder 2013 (optical sensor), and then back to the Razer Taipan, that I noticed it.

True, it did take a lot to notice it, but once I noticed it, it was hard not to, and then moved back to the Deathadder 2013 ever since. I'm now searching for a new optical mouse, since the DA is too big.


You should look into a Zowie FK or AM. I loved my Deathadder but it was too big for me (I use fingertip/claw grip, and  the DA is a palm grip mouse), so I switched to a Zowie FK and never looked back. I also prefer the higher tactility of the Zowie. The clicks are just more crisp and responsive.

Yes, thank you for the suggestion. I was just thinking about the Zowie FK a couple of days ago, but now that there's someone who has made the switch from Deathadder to a Zowie FK, and liked it, I'll consider it even more seriously.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 13 January 2014, 20:03:12
Really pleased with my Steelseries sensei at the moment.

However I used to use a razer naga back when I properly played MMO's and that one was a beast aswell.

I love mine as well. I change the light to the color of switch I'm using.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: demik on Mon, 13 January 2014, 21:43:28
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: 1pq on Mon, 13 January 2014, 22:41:01
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Apple-hockey-puck-mouse.jpg)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Neal on Tue, 14 January 2014, 04:19:33
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?
g9x till you die.
On a serious note: same question. help.

Currently have a Feenix Nascita v1. It sucks, as expected of v1 products ofcourse.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: vun on Tue, 14 January 2014, 04:39:35
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?

Just poking through the mice in my collection; the best alternative to the G9x shape seems to be the RAT7, although you've got quite a few more options since you also like the DA. For mice that are closer to the DA I'd recommend checking out the SS Rival or the coming CMStorm IME 3.0 clone.

There really isn't a proper replacement for a G9x, the RAT can be adjusted to a shape that's pretty close, but it's also got a PTE sensor and a bunch of parts that can break and whatnot.
I just hope Logitech makes a new G900 or something soon, because atm I don't dare use my G9x in case it dies on me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: distel on Tue, 14 January 2014, 05:38:13
By far the best mouse i ever used was the Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse.

Such a beauty. Sadly the last one I used died about 4 months ago and im not willed to open the original packaging of the one I got at home until I find an other one.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Bullveyr on Tue, 14 January 2014, 07:43:15
By far the best mouse i ever used was the Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse.

Such a beauty. Sadly the last one I used died about 4 months ago and im not willed to open the original packaging of the one I got at home until I find an other one.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2486758/re-have-i-gone-too-far/ (http://www.esreality.com/post/2486758/re-have-i-gone-too-far/)

;)

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: distel on Tue, 14 January 2014, 08:42:26
By far the best mouse i ever used was the Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse.

Such a beauty. Sadly the last one I used died about 4 months ago and im not willed to open the original packaging of the one I got at home until I find an other one.
http://www.esreality.com/post/2486758/re-have-i-gone-too-far/ (http://www.esreality.com/post/2486758/re-have-i-gone-too-far/)

;)

That's a great find! Thanks a lot.
Bookmarked it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: demik on Tue, 14 January 2014, 09:08:53
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?

Just poking through the mice in my collection; the best alternative to the G9x shape seems to be the RAT7, although you've got quite a few more options since you also like the DA. For mice that are closer to the DA I'd recommend checking out the SS Rival or the coming CMStorm IME 3.0 clone.

There really isn't a proper replacement for a G9x, the RAT can be adjusted to a shape that's pretty close, but it's also got a PTE sensor and a bunch of parts that can break and whatnot.
I just hope Logitech makes a new G900 or something soon, because atm I don't dare use my G9x in case it dies on me.

Dumb reason but... I find all r.a.t. mice hideous and only reason why I wouldn't buy them. I'll take a look at the cm storm one. I did like the feel of the spawn. But the DPI settings were not of my liking. And it was a bit lightweight for me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: do_Og@n on Tue, 14 January 2014, 13:28:09
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?

It all depends to me on what you do most on the computer.

For forum, document, and web browsing I would use the Logitech G500s. Tracking is good, you can adjust weight, the scroll wheel lock/unlock feature is awesome for long document or forum pages!!!

For gaming I highly suggest the Logitech G400 (or G400s). Non-accelerated optical laser with the right OS mouse settings makes it incredibly accurate, it's light for quick movement, DPI adjustment and a default DPI setting to go back to your preferred setting with ease. Only problem with this mouse is the scroll wheel. It's stiff as hell and can be a pain to use.

I would also suggest the DeathAdder. I used the mouse for about a year and if it didn't die on me I would still be using it.

All my suggestion are more for the bigger palm grip style mouse. If you are looking for a fingertip mouse the IME 3.0 is okay but I like the CM Storm Spawn as well. With an updated firmware it also can have no built in acceleration.

If you always get curious (or crazy) you can try the Kensington Slimblade. Not as much for gaming but I love it for everything else.

Hope that helps.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: terrpn on Tue, 14 January 2014, 16:23:04
somebody earlier said something about modding a g400 with more weight

found a picture of the innards if it helps....



Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: demik on Tue, 14 January 2014, 17:00:37
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?

It all depends to me on what you do most on the computer.

For forum, document, and web browsing I would use the Logitech G500s. Tracking is good, you can adjust weight, the scroll wheel lock/unlock feature is awesome for long document or forum pages!!!

For gaming I highly suggest the Logitech G400 (or G400s). Non-accelerated optical laser with the right OS mouse settings makes it incredibly accurate, it's light for quick movement, DPI adjustment and a default DPI setting to go back to your preferred setting with ease. Only problem with this mouse is the scroll wheel. It's stiff as hell and can be a pain to use.

I would also suggest the DeathAdder. I used the mouse for about a year and if it didn't die on me I would still be using it.

All my suggestion are more for the bigger palm grip style mouse. If you are looking for a fingertip mouse the IME 3.0 is okay but I like the CM Storm Spawn as well. With an updated firmware it also can have no built in acceleration.

If you always get curious (or crazy) you can try the Kensington Slimblade. Not as much for gaming but I love it for everything else.

Hope that helps.



i have a deathadder as my daily driver for the past year and some change.

is the g500 similar to the mx518? if so, i wasn't a huge fan of it. well, the size at least. didn't fit the claw/fingertip grip style im used to.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:12:05
Show Image
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Apple-hockey-puck-mouse.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/nqoxFuT.gif)

The black Apple Pro mouse though... now you're talking.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: do_Og@n on Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:36:24
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?

It all depends to me on what you do most on the computer.

For forum, document, and web browsing I would use the Logitech G500s. Tracking is good, you can adjust weight, the scroll wheel lock/unlock feature is awesome for long document or forum pages!!!

For gaming I highly suggest the Logitech G400 (or G400s). Non-accelerated optical laser with the right OS mouse settings makes it incredibly accurate, it's light for quick movement, DPI adjustment and a default DPI setting to go back to your preferred setting with ease. Only problem with this mouse is the scroll wheel. It's stiff as hell and can be a pain to use.

I would also suggest the DeathAdder. I used the mouse for about a year and if it didn't die on me I would still be using it.

All my suggestion are more for the bigger palm grip style mouse. If you are looking for a fingertip mouse the IME 3.0 is okay but I like the CM Storm Spawn as well. With an updated firmware it also can have no built in acceleration.

If you always get curious (or crazy) you can try the Kensington Slimblade. Not as much for gaming but I love it for everything else.

Hope that helps.



i have a deathadder as my daily driver for the past year and some change.

is the g500 similar to the mx518? if so, i wasn't a huge fan of it. well, the size at least. didn't fit the claw/fingertip grip style im used to.

The G500 is a big one like the MX518. I definitely wouldn't use it is you claw grip. I would try out the CM Storm Spawn. It's still a little big but the shape allows you to claw grip.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: demik on Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:39:02
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?

It all depends to me on what you do most on the computer.

For forum, document, and web browsing I would use the Logitech G500s. Tracking is good, you can adjust weight, the scroll wheel lock/unlock feature is awesome for long document or forum pages!!!

For gaming I highly suggest the Logitech G400 (or G400s). Non-accelerated optical laser with the right OS mouse settings makes it incredibly accurate, it's light for quick movement, DPI adjustment and a default DPI setting to go back to your preferred setting with ease. Only problem with this mouse is the scroll wheel. It's stiff as hell and can be a pain to use.

I would also suggest the DeathAdder. I used the mouse for about a year and if it didn't die on me I would still be using it.

All my suggestion are more for the bigger palm grip style mouse. If you are looking for a fingertip mouse the IME 3.0 is okay but I like the CM Storm Spawn as well. With an updated firmware it also can have no built in acceleration.

If you always get curious (or crazy) you can try the Kensington Slimblade. Not as much for gaming but I love it for everything else.

Hope that helps.



i have a deathadder as my daily driver for the past year and some change.

is the g500 similar to the mx518? if so, i wasn't a huge fan of it. well, the size at least. didn't fit the claw/fingertip grip style im used to.

The G500 is a big one like the MX518. I definitely wouldn't use it is you claw grip. I would try out the CM Storm Spawn. It's still a little big but the shape allows you to claw grip.

earlier:

Quote
I did like the feel of the spawn. But the DPI settings were not of my liking. And it was a bit lightweight for me.

problem with the DPI settings were.. either too high, or too low.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Pac Caps on Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:45:00
Hello everybody!

What's a good non gaming mouse that has ~1K DPI, is palm grip, and has extra buttons on the side?

Thanks! :thumb:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Tue, 14 January 2014, 19:00:26
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?

Bit interesting since g9x and death adder are somewhat polar opposite mice in terms of size.
I'm guessing you use some sort of hybrid fingertip/claw grip.

You might like the Zowie ec cl 1 or 2. Zowie FK also sounds like a good bet if the ambidextrous shape is more of your style.
You might also like the Roccat Kone Pure Optical.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: demik on Tue, 14 January 2014, 19:12:33
i want to try something new.

my fav mice are deathadder and g9x.. what do you gentlemen recommend?

Bit interesting since g9x and death adder are somewhat polar opposite mice in terms of size.
I'm guessing you use some sort of hybrid fingertip/claw grip.

You might like the Zowie ec cl 1 or 2. Zowie FK also sounds like a good bet if the ambidextrous shape is more of your style.
You might also like the Roccat Kone Pure Optical.



yup!

im going to give the rival a try
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ihateregister on Tue, 14 January 2014, 23:04:43
My favorite mouse is a Roccat Kone XTD. You can change the DPI on the fly, the sensor is 8200 DPI, class 1 laser product warning.. funny, with two light strips across the sides (easier to find). The bottom sliding material is amazing, and I feel like I can move the cursor pixel by pixel with ease! (On my 1080P monitor.) The USB cord is wrapped in a highly durable cloth weave. It comes with 4x 5 gram weights to change the density of the mouse. (I tried the weights, and it felt really heavy, so I put them back in the case.) On the con sides;

-It costs too much. (~$80 on amazon)
-I think it should be lighter?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Tue, 14 January 2014, 23:52:25
My favorite mouse is a Roccat Kone XTD. You can change the DPI on the fly, the sensor is 8200 DPI, class 1 laser product warning.. funny, with two light strips across the sides (easier to find). The bottom sliding material is amazing, and I feel like I can move the cursor pixel by pixel with ease! (On my 1080P monitor.) The USB cord is wrapped in a highly durable cloth weave. It comes with 4x 5 gram weights to change the density of the mouse. (I tried the weights, and it felt really heavy, so I put them back in the case.) On the con sides;

-It costs too much. (~$80 on amazon)
-I think it should be lighter?

I think another con is that it's not an optical sensor although this is somewhat a matter of preference.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 16 January 2014, 02:58:26
My favorite mouse is a Roccat Kone XTD. You can change the DPI on the fly, the sensor is 8200 DPI, class 1 laser product warning.. funny, with two light strips across the sides (easier to find). The bottom sliding material is amazing, and I feel like I can move the cursor pixel by pixel with ease! (On my 1080P monitor.) The USB cord is wrapped in a highly durable cloth weave. It comes with 4x 5 gram weights to change the density of the mouse. (I tried the weights, and it felt really heavy, so I put them back in the case.) On the con sides;

-It costs too much. (~$80 on amazon)
-I think it should be lighter?

I think another con is that it's not an optical sensor although this is somewhat a matter of preference.

Kone Pure Optical has a 4000dpi optical sensor, as does the Savu. Both are worth a look.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Fri, 17 January 2014, 14:07:19
im going to give the rival a try

You won't be disappointed. It's an absolute beast.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: kilogeek on Mon, 20 January 2014, 10:33:15
I've got the same G9 since 2007, never had any issue with it, even works on glass surface (but that's not very good for sliding pads life). Easy to clean and to configure. No need to change until it dies, if it does^^
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 20 January 2014, 10:41:24
I'm still rocking a Logitech but recently upgraded from the G700 to the G700s.

Not sure if its a huge difference other than its new and I'm loving this 8200 DPI. :thumb:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: illy865 on Mon, 20 January 2014, 11:38:42
I'm still rocking a Logitech but recently upgraded from the G700 to the G700s.

Not sure if its a huge difference other than its new and I'm loving this 8200 DPI. :thumb:

I got the G700s during Amazon's Cyber Monday sale to replace my dying VX Revolution and I love it for general and gaming use.  I usually don't need such DPI for most things, but it has the perfect amount of buttons without looking too busy.  Remapping some of them has already started to save me some time.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 20 January 2014, 13:25:11
I'm still rocking a Logitech but recently upgraded from the G700 to the G700s.

Not sure if its a huge difference other than its new and I'm loving this 8200 DPI. :thumb:

I got the G700s during Amazon's Cyber Monday sale to replace my dying VX Revolution and I love it for general and gaming use.  I usually don't need such DPI for most things, but it has the perfect amount of buttons without looking too busy.  Remapping some of them has already started to save me some time.

Yeah, honestly the extra buttons are my favorite part. I map them to commands in the software I use, so convenient.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Mon, 20 January 2014, 15:22:46
Why not get one of those MMO mouses with 20-30 buttons on the side  :p
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 20 January 2014, 20:48:53
Why not get one of those MMO mouses with 20-30 buttons on the side  :p

Those are ugly, don't look comfortable and are not wireless :D

But they were considered.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 20 January 2014, 20:52:14
Whats the most comfortable mouse under $60?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Mon, 20 January 2014, 20:59:35
Whats the most comfortable mouse under $60?

I like IME 3 style mice.
So my vote goes to the zowie Gear EC1 EVO which is just shy of 60.
G400 is also very comfortable.

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 20 January 2014, 21:00:35
Whats the most comfortable mouse under $60?

Well I only paid ~$53 for one of my G700's.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Mon, 20 January 2014, 21:24:56
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005CPGHAA/ref=s9_psimh_gw_p147_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0Y5B5GQSP43BMAG1DWKW&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846

Also try this  :p
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 20 January 2014, 21:28:37
Do you guys not like a higher DPI?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Mon, 20 January 2014, 23:02:16
Do you guys not like a higher DPI?

Hmmm I do like high DPI for general use but I don't like the acceleration and some of the inherent laser sensor flaws bother me.
For me, I started with an optical mouse but then it was stolen :/
I moved on to the g9x, had some issues with it because it was a bit small for me.
Tried some more various laser mouse devices. They didn't feel quite right but I couldn't pinpoint it.
One day, I tried an optical mouse (g400 revision) at a friend's place and I realized why.
I know the DA2013 and SS rival have higher DPI optical but those are reported to have some slight issues past it's native DPI.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: do_Og@n on Tue, 21 January 2014, 00:54:42
Do you guys not like a higher DPI?

Higher DPI doesn't mean better. I've tried using a mouse at 6400 DPI and felt like I was trying to catch a fish with a fish in each hand.

I would rather have a lower DPI with an non accelerated optical laser. The G500 isn't bad for daily use but for gaming I'll take a Trackball or G400.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 21 January 2014, 01:06:06
Whats the most comfortable mouse under $60?

If you're a palm grip user the WMOs (Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical) can be bought on eBay for around $15 shipped. I can't count the number of gamers that esteem that mouse as God's gift to man.

Trying mice in a store is the best way to find if a mouse if comfortable, and if the quality of the sensor isn't paramount get whatever feels good  :thumb:
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: kilogeek on Tue, 21 January 2014, 01:13:39
That's just because you can have high DPI while having a not accurate sensor (can be due to sensor, to surface...), so high DPI is useless as long as your mouse is not able to be accurate. It's just like shooting a target, the closer you are = the more DPI you have, but if you don't know how to aim, you will miss from any distance^^ I believe DPI to be a marketing argument. But high DPI can also be worst as it uses more USB bandwidth (more data must be sent by the mouse), in some case this can reduce mouse position refreshing rate, don't forget systems like Windows are totally asynchronous... (even if your graphic card may be sync).
I personnally never seen any difference in changing DPI on my G9 but changing how much you have to move it for the same cursor movements. I feel high DPI to be very usefull in CAD or publishing software, not so for gaming... and even in CAD you may need 2 mice, one for precision pointing and one for general GUI purpose otherwise your productivity falls down.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 21 January 2014, 07:21:41
That's just because you can have high DPI while having a not accurate sensor (can be due to sensor, to surface...), so high DPI is useless as long as your mouse is not able to be accurate. It's just like shooting a target, the closer you are = the more DPI you have, but if you don't know how to aim, you will miss from any distance^^ I believe DPI to be a marketing argument. But high DPI can also be worst as it uses more USB bandwidth (more data must be sent by the mouse), in some case this can reduce mouse position refreshing rate, don't forget systems like Windows are totally asynchronous... (even if your graphic card may be sync).
I personnally never seen any difference in changing DPI on my G9 but changing how much you have to move it for the same cursor movements. I feel high DPI to be very usefull in CAD or publishing software, not so for gaming... and even in CAD you may need 2 mice, one for precision pointing and one for general GUI purpose otherwise your productivity falls down.

Yes I am using mine for CAD work. But for switching DPI its as simple as clicking one of the extra buttons on the mouse and it cycles between presets.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: PolaBurrr on Tue, 21 January 2014, 23:14:26
Right now, I'm lovin my kana v2.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 22 January 2014, 01:11:32
Newly converted Logitech G600 fan!

Feels great, tracks great, and they fixed the issue I had with these mice; basically, firmware updates fixed the g-shift "third mouse button" so that it doesn't un-click the other mouse buttons when pressed. I had one of these puppies when they first came out, and returned it because of that problem. Now I wish I hadn't, heh. Oh well, this one came in awesome blue G gear packaging.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: kilogeek on Wed, 22 January 2014, 11:01:01
Why not get one of those MMO mouses with 20-30 buttons on the side  :p

Those are ugly, don't look comfortable and are not wireless :D

But they were considered.

I don't trust wireless technology, and mainly for input devices, it can be critical if you use it at work (wireless keyboards) and frustrating in gaming... we are surrounded by radio waves nowdays, mainly in towns, and lots of them use the same frequencies, if you could have an E/M camera you would be surprised to see what's your PC's emitting^^

forgot to mention security holes with wireless keyboards, very easy to spy, one of the best way to get hacked.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 22 January 2014, 13:11:46
I don't trust wireless technology, and mainly for input devices, it can be critical if you use it at work (wireless keyboards) and frustrating in gaming... we are surrounded by radio waves nowdays, mainly in towns, and lots of them use the same frequencies, if you could have an E/M camera you would be surprised to see what's your PC's emitting^^

forgot to mention security holes with wireless keyboards, very easy to spy, one of the best way to get hacked.

What in the world is an "electromagnetic" camera?  "Normal" cameras that detect light (electrons hitting CCDs and such) are also "electromagnetic"...  Do you mean those that operate in radio spectrum or infrared for temperature or similar?  Of course computers emit electric and magnetic fields--any devices where current flows emit magnetic fields, and it's all an endless interfering chain.  Maybe you should move to the Moon.  But then you'd still be subject to the Solar Wind :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 22 January 2014, 13:16:20
I don't trust wireless technology, and mainly for input devices, it can be critical if you use it at work (wireless keyboards) and frustrating in gaming... we are surrounded by radio waves nowdays, mainly in towns, and lots of them use the same frequencies, if you could have an E/M camera you would be surprised to see what's your PC's emitting^^

forgot to mention security holes with wireless keyboards, very easy to spy, one of the best way to get hacked.

What in the world is an "electromagnetic" camera?  "Normal" cameras that detect light (electrons hitting CCDs and such) are also "electromagnetic"...  Do you mean those that operate in radio spectrum or infrared for temperature or similar?  Of course computers emit electric and magnetic fields--any devices where current flows emit magnetic fields, and it's all an endless interfering chain.  Maybe you should move to the Moon.  But then you'd still be subject to the Solar Wind :)

It'll just look like this

(http://i.imgur.com/Vf4xEpZ.gif)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 23 January 2014, 14:02:21
not everybody all at one time :eek:

broke out this piece of hi tech equipment from the cabinet.........

from back in the day ;D
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Kamen Rider Blade on Fri, 24 January 2014, 23:18:42
Favorite Wired    Mice:  Logitech G600
Favorite Wireless Mice:  Logitech G602
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: RickyJ on Sun, 26 January 2014, 03:44:17
Been enjoying the shape of my Spawn for a while now, but my finger doesn't have much traction on the wheel and I think it's getting worse.  Will have to keep an eye out for a suitable replacement I guess.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:20:16
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)

Loving the CM Storm Alcor, but the Mizar has those awesome side grips  ;D

Software is a mess, but it's not nearly done, so, it'll improve
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:51:43
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.

Show Image
(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)



Not be rude here but don't they both look like SteelSeries Rival's from that view point?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:55:09
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.

Show Image
(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)



Not be rude here but don't they both look like SteelSeries Rival's from that view point?

They're all MS 3.0 clones, but the Steelseries Rival is far more focused on Palm than this one.

The good thing is that both have less weight than my old Deathadder 3.5G, although they do use the same switches and scroll...
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 29 January 2014, 02:34:37
They're all MS 3.0 clones, but the Steelseries Rival is far more focused on Palm than this one.

The good thing is that both have less weight than my old Deathadder 3.5G, although they do use the same switches and scroll...

You can't have too many IE 3.0 clones, I say bring 'em on  :thumb: .  The finest ergonomics created by Microsoft (by mistake I guess) that now is a lasting legacy for any future mice created today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: luminor on Wed, 29 January 2014, 10:16:08
using Razer naga, the side butttons really help for playing WOW
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 29 January 2014, 11:52:39
They're all MS 3.0 clones, but the Steelseries Rival is far more focused on Palm than this one.

The good thing is that both have less weight than my old Deathadder 3.5G, although they do use the same switches and scroll...

You can't have too many IE 3.0 clones, I say bring 'em on  :thumb: .  The finest ergonomics created by Microsoft (by mistake I guess) that now is a lasting legacy for any future mice created today or tomorrow.

I find the ergonomy really nice and I know there are people who do love these MS 3.0 clones VERY VERY much.

But in my case, I really prefer something more different for my fingertip grip, like the Logitech G9x or the Corsair M65  :p
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 29 January 2014, 17:33:50

I find the ergonomy really nice and I know there are people who do love these MS 3.0 clones VERY VERY much.


Yes, the clones are just what the doctor ordered.  Easy to use, no stress whatsoever and they make using a PC that much more enjoyable.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: platypus on Tue, 04 February 2014, 19:21:28
Razer abyssus :D

I use aftermarket slightly taller teflon feet, and i remove the LED.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 05 February 2014, 21:12:46
Loved my NZXT Avatar, it was weirdly skinny but it worked pretty well for someone with a claw grip. For an ergo mouse the Mionix Naos is a great one
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 05 February 2014, 21:17:11
The Corsair M60
This thing has a wonderful matte black finish which feels good the the touch and looks nice as well
The number of buttons is perfect as well as good button placement.
Very satisfying metal scroll wheel with a rubberized texture.
Also. Brushed aluminium. This last point is really all that you need to know.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Mon, 10 February 2014, 15:15:11
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.

Show Image
(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)


Loving the CM Storm Alcor, but the Mizar has those awesome side grips  ;D

Software is a mess, but it's not nearly done, so, it'll improve

:P is that your video?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ianxblog on Mon, 10 February 2014, 21:18:42
A4Tech X7-10BH

Best mouse. Best price. Best features.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Fri, 14 February 2014, 12:52:05
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.

Show Image
(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)


Loving the CM Storm Alcor, but the Mizar has those awesome side grips  ;D

Software is a mess, but it's not nearly done, so, it'll improve

What's your initial impression of this new CM lineup vs the other IME inspired mouse like the DA, Rival, Zowie EC?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: aref on Fri, 14 February 2014, 20:01:12
I like simple pointing devices: for me it's a Logitech M505. It tracks beautifully, the size fits my hand, and batteries last about two years.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: upl8447 on Sat, 15 February 2014, 08:13:01
My most used mouse is my Mionix Naos 8200 but i'am planning to replace it with an Naos 7000. But not far behinde is my mx518 that i hade for 5years now.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 15 February 2014, 17:45:37
But not far behinde is my mx518 that i hade for 5years now.

I've still got an MX500 (the original Logitech Gaming Mouse) and a few MX518's as back up.  I actually think they were the finest quality mice Logitech has ever released.  A shame most mice they try to design and make now lack the fundamental aspect of reliability/durability.

Incidentally I've dropped my MX500 onto the tiled floor numerous times yet it still works perfectly.  Try doing that to a current model G500S or G700S.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Vibex on Wed, 19 February 2014, 11:16:28
I use Zowie FK (not the 2014 version). I love it.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: ITzMeYaKnow on Wed, 19 February 2014, 13:04:30
Had a Razer Naga for awhile I really didn't like it because it was to small for my hands.  I just switched to the Steelseries Sensei Raw and I love it!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 21 February 2014, 03:15:42
Logitech G9x
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: epzy on Fri, 21 February 2014, 03:34:16
Deathadder and Intelli 3.0 are the only mice I've ever owned. They are more or less the same, so I guess they're my favorites. Want to try another mouse, but I'm too clueless and don't want to research it too much since I don't have any problems with my current one.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dustinhxc on Fri, 21 February 2014, 03:51:08
I use a Logitech M510. All of my keyboards are lubed and so quiet now but my mouse is like, CLICK CLICK CLICK. Anyone have any nice quiet mouses?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 21 February 2014, 04:30:37
Logitech G9x

My Mrs still likes her G9x because it suits her right hand perfectly with that free-scroll wheel that Logitech enjoys using across it's whole range.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Sat, 22 February 2014, 09:09:32
I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.

Show Image
(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)


Loving the CM Storm Alcor, but the Mizar has those awesome side grips  ;D

Software is a mess, but it's not nearly done, so, it'll improve

:P is that your video?

Yup, it is. Although there's some wrong information in it, I thought the side switches were TTC (since it was Carter who designed it), but they're actually Zhij. It seems some people modified Carter's original project and they replaced some components from other vendor's they're not very fond of. Carter wasn't really happy with that and I can understand why.

I really thought I was handling a prototype, reason why I didn't complained much here or on the video, but it was actually the final versions...  :(

I'm testing some of CM Storm's new mice at the Brazilian "Campus Party" event.

Show Image
(http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1616/wok4.jpg)


Loving the CM Storm Alcor, but the Mizar has those awesome side grips  ;D

Software is a mess, but it's not nearly done, so, it'll improve

What's your initial impression of this new CM lineup vs the other IME inspired mouse like the DA, Rival, Zowie EC?

The tracking on the CM Storm Alcor is incredibly accurate and even tracks on most surfaces without much of a problem even with a low LOD (quite impressive for the AVAGO 3090). The overall build seems nice, but it's a downgrade compared to the Xornet/Spawn/Recon. OMRON D2FC-F-7N (5M) switches on the left/right buttons, Zhij switches on the middle and side buttons and a TTC scroll. I know it's going to be a cheap mouse, but the Spawn was and still is cheaper and better.

It'll get an upgraded version (CM Storm Alcor+) with better components very soon though (ALPS scroll, AVAGO 3310, maybe better side and middle button switches). The normal version won't even be released on the United States.

Now, the CM Storm Mizar is a bloody mess. They managed to screw up the AVAGO 9800 even more, the tracking was weird, it had one of the highest LOD I've ever seen and the software is a bloody mess and a downgrade compared to the CM Storm Recon.

Overall, they're good, but nothing impressive, though the Alcor and Alcor+ may make a big difference as soon as they're released with a low price.

Logitech G9x

Am I the only one with a love/hate relationship with this mouse because of how damn stiff the middle button is? It fits my hands like a glove with the smaller grip though :(

Also, am I the only one who dislikes the Logitech scroll wheel? Sure, it's very nice for navigating and stuff, but I don't like playing russian roulette while I try changing my weapons in-game (and that other mode is almost as inaccurate as the free-wheel). And that's the reason why I love ALPS Scroll Encoder.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dmbr on Sat, 22 February 2014, 13:07:36
My mouse3 isn't stiff at all, but otherwise I'm right there with you on the G9x. The shape is unique and perfect for my hybrid grip/hand size, so it was very hard to find a satisfying replacement.

Finally discovered the Zowie EC2 evo CL and I'm in love. Perfect grip, buttons, wheel, sensor, and just enough heft. My aim instantly improved moving from the G9x; no awkward adjustment period at all.

I do miss side scroll and free-scroll a bit, macros were a nice option, and on the fly DPI adjustment was convenient, but eh...no biggie. The virtues of the EC2 are the stuff that truly matter.

Sorry guys, I know you love your mice, but if you're using it for FPS gaming, Zowie is king.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Sat, 22 February 2014, 14:57:28
You guys ever use the weight cartridge on the g9x?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dmbr on Sat, 22 February 2014, 15:21:49
I like mine light. I even took out the little cap for where you put the weights in :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Sat, 22 February 2014, 17:32:13
I like mine light. I even took out the little cap for where you put the weights in :)

Ditto. It's a really nice shape without its weights and even better without the weight cartridge. Putting weights on it just makes it feel wrong.

My mouse3 isn't stiff at all, but otherwise I'm right there with you on the G9x. The shape is unique and perfect for my hybrid grip/hand size, so it was very hard to find a satisfying replacement.

Finally discovered the Zowie EC2 evo CL and I'm in love. Perfect grip, buttons, wheel, sensor, and just enough heft. My aim instantly improved moving from the G9x; no awkward adjustment period at all.

I do miss side scroll and free-scroll a bit, macros were a nice option, and on the fly DPI adjustment was convenient, but eh...no biggie. The virtues of the EC2 are the stuff that truly matter.

Sorry guys, I know you love your mice, but if you're using it for FPS gaming, Zowie is king.

The reason the middle button is stiff is because Logitech engineers were too stupid when designing it and decided to use this switch as the middle button (number 5):

(http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7572/tklr.jpg)

Needless to say, that thing is stiff, unresponsive and the worst of all, is that I can't replace that for a proper/better switch... :(

Believe me, I didn't wanted to sell it, and I was even using the horizontal scroll buttons as replacement for the middle button, but in the end, it still annoyed the hell out of me.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 22 February 2014, 17:56:50
The reason the middle button is stiff is because Logitech engineers were too stupid when designing it and decided to use this switch as the middle button (number 5):

Show Image
(http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7572/tklr.jpg)


Needless to say, that thing is stiff, unresponsive and the worst of all, is that I can't replace that for a proper/better switch... :(


Do you think using one switch (from either 2 front switches) from the original WMO, would work with a G9x?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Sat, 22 February 2014, 22:02:22
The reason the middle button is stiff is because Logitech engineers were too stupid when designing it and decided to use this switch as the middle button (number 5):

Show Image
(http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7572/tklr.jpg)


Needless to say, that thing is stiff, unresponsive and the worst of all, is that I can't replace that for a proper/better switch... :(


Do you think using one switch (from either 2 front switches) from the original WMO, would work with a G9x?

The two front switches are Panasonic Square and if they could work with it, all of my problems would be solved :(

Now, it uses SMT Type switches, but god only knows what brand/model and what I might buy to fix it. It's similar to the switch used on the middle button of the MS WMO and several other MS mice such as the Wireless 5000 (on the picture below), but it's a different model and probably another brand. Who knows if it works... If they do, I could have harvested those from my Corsair M60 DPI buttons.

(http://www.robotroom.com/Inside/Inside-Mouse/Inside-the-Microsoft-Wireless-Mouse-5000.jpg)
OMRON has them too:
http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/sw/24/b3sn.html
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 22 February 2014, 22:55:43
Now, it uses SMT Type switches, but god only knows what brand/model and what I might buy to fix it. It's similar to the switch used on the middle button of the MS WMO and several other MS mice such as the Wireless 5000 (on the picture below), but it's a different model and probably another brand. Who knows if it works... If they do, I could have harvested those from my Corsair M60 DPI buttons.
Show Image
(http://www.robotroom.com/Inside/Inside-Mouse/Inside-the-Microsoft-Wireless-Mouse-5000.jpg)

OMRON has them too:
http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/sw/24/b3sn.html (http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/sw/24/b3sn.html)

If you still have your Corsair mouse why not harvest the switch and solder it onto the G9x and see if it works?  Even if it didn't I would grab a cheap WMO off Ebay for $4.95USD and harvest the switch from that one and see if the G9x will work with it.  After all you seem the type of guy willing to take apart rodents to see how they tick so why not do the soldering as well?

Shame to throw away a G9x if the middle button dies hence why not try to improvise and see if it works.  I suspect Logitech started making mice with dodgey switches to force users to upgrade to the latest model when the time calls for it.  The wonderful aspect of designed obsolescence practiced now by everyone out there in the input device brigade.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Sat, 22 February 2014, 23:00:13
Now, it uses SMT Type switches, but god only knows what brand/model and what I might buy to fix it. It's similar to the switch used on the middle button of the MS WMO and several other MS mice such as the Wireless 5000 (on the picture below), but it's a different model and probably another brand. Who knows if it works... If they do, I could have harvested those from my Corsair M60 DPI buttons.
Show Image
(http://www.robotroom.com/Inside/Inside-Mouse/Inside-the-Microsoft-Wireless-Mouse-5000.jpg)

OMRON has them too:
http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/sw/24/b3sn.html (http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/sw/24/b3sn.html)

If you still have your Corsair mouse why not harvest the switch and solder it onto the G9x and see if it works?  Even if it didn't I would grab a cheap WMO off Ebay for $4.95USD and harvest the switch from that one and see if the G9x will work with it.  After all you seem the type of guy willing to take apart rodents to see how they tick so why not do the soldering as well?

Shame to throw away a G9x if the middle button dies hence why not try to improvise and see if it works.  I suspect Logitech started making mice with dodgey switches to force users to upgrade to the latest model when the time calls for it.  The wonderful aspect of designed obsolescence practiced now by everyone out there in the input device brigade.

Kind of weird seeing them doing that when they themselves give a 3 year warranty (which by the way, I find damn good, they have the best RMA world-wide) and end up even giving a newer model or similar to the faulty one on many cases...

It's a risky policy, covering up the internal build quality problems with an extremely efficient RMA system, but it seems to work for them.

But anyways, I don't have the G9x anymore, but yes, I'm going to tinker a lil' bit more with my mice soon, next thing I'm doing is replacing the brandless scroll encoder of the M60 for an ALPS scroll encoder. And the next little toy I got coming on the mail is a Logitech G602 (plus a Matias Secure Pro) :)
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: pillows on Sat, 22 February 2014, 23:10:08
I have a Logiteceh G9x for about 4 years. I like it because it isn't TOO gaudy.
Ever since I did some driver updates, it doesn't feel the same anymore- aiming wise.

Now, I feel like 1 out of 50 clicks, the one doesn't register...
I'd be in the market for a new mouse if I was still gaming.

edit: just looked at the Logitech warranty. 3 years limited :(
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 22 February 2014, 23:53:49
Kind of weird seeing them doing that when they themselves give a 3 year warranty (which by the way, I find damn good, they have the best RMA world-wide) and end up even giving a newer model or similar to the faulty one on many cases...

It's a risky policy, covering up the internal build quality problems with an extremely efficient RMA system, but it seems to work for them.


Maybe you're lucky due to living in the US because in Australia (through personal experience) there is no RMA at all on their products because Logitech refuses to honour it here.  I think it's because we have a weak government that won't push them into supporting their dodgey gear when it dies.

Still the WORLD's Best RMA service still goes to Corsair because it applies even here in Convict Town.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Sun, 23 February 2014, 00:03:59
Kind of weird seeing them doing that when they themselves give a 3 year warranty (which by the way, I find damn good, they have the best RMA world-wide) and end up even giving a newer model or similar to the faulty one on many cases...

It's a risky policy, covering up the internal build quality problems with an extremely efficient RMA system, but it seems to work for them.


Maybe you're lucky due to living in the US because in Australia (through personal experience) there is no RMA at all on their products because Logitech refuses to honour it here.  I think it's because we have a weak government that won't push them into supporting their dodgey gear when it dies.

Still the WORLD's Best RMA service still goes to Corsair because it applies even here in Convict Town.

Nope, I live in Brazil and although they've got no official support team over here, all they ask us for is to prove somehow that the mouse is faulty (and yes, sometimes there are people whose mice isn't faulty and they still activate the RMA just to get a new one, happened with several G700 I've seen, all replaced for the new G700s) and then they ask for pictures/video where you destroy the equipment and its components. But yes, some people even harvest switches and other stuff from what's left of the equipment after getting destroyed.

After that (it doesn't takes over 1 week), they send a new mouse from the United States through UPS with all taxes paid. Sometimes, the whole RMA proccess takes around 2-3 weeks, far less than Cooler Master, Razer, Thermaltake and Corsair (all of which have official support over here).

Still, I didn't knew their support on Australia was bad...  :(
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 23 February 2014, 01:00:08
Nope, I live in Brazil and although they've got no official support team over here, all they ask us for is to prove somehow that the mouse is faulty (and yes, sometimes there are people whose mice isn't faulty and they still activate the RMA just to get a new one, happened with several G700 I've seen, all replaced for the new G700s) and then they ask for pictures/video where you destroy the equipment and its components. But yes, some people even harvest switches and other stuff from what's left of the equipment after getting destroyed.

After that (it doesn't takes over 1 week), they send a new mouse from the United States through UPS with all taxes paid. Sometimes, the whole RMA proccess takes around 2-3 weeks, far less than Cooler Master, Razer, Thermaltake and Corsair (all of which have official support over here).

Still, I didn't knew their support on Australia was bad...  :(

Damn, you are extremely lucky in your country.  Here in my town the place is rife with corruption and ripoff regimes charging too much for items that are very cheap everywhere else.  The thing that hurts the most is Logitech's NON warranty support and they won't provide anything even when asked or begged to.  They won't accept a video (like your country) or any other proof that the item is faulty or dead.  All they say is to buy another 'newer' product which has been fixed from the previous model.

Besides I haven't met any Australian that has gotten an RMA on any mouse from them in recent years.  In the past they supported their products but now 2014 it's completely ignored.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: IPT on Sun, 23 February 2014, 01:03:33
im still using my deathadder black, but i think im gonna switch it up soon.
its feeling a bit grimy even after i wipe it down lol.

Trying to find a mouse with that matte finish so it doesn't build up very visible grime
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Fragil1ty on Sun, 23 February 2014, 01:12:23
Been using the Zowie EC2 Evo for a year and half now, so currently this.

Just ordered a Feenix Nascita though so when that gets here, then that for sure.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: mauri on Sun, 23 February 2014, 07:42:21
I think EC2 takes the cake for me. I do adore kinzu and intellimouse 1.1 but I take the  functionality (no sidebuttons on the kinzu and too low dpi on the 1.1) over the shape.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 23 February 2014, 14:50:55
I've been reading all of your posts about a Zowie EVO so I'm going to ask for one of those for my bday! If I don't get it then I'll probably buy one!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 23 February 2014, 16:48:08
I've been reading all of your posts about a Zowie EVO so I'm going to ask for one of those for my bday! If I don't get it then I'll probably buy one!

You need to man up.  Don't depend on others to buy you 'presents' because that's a feminine character trait.  You want something, save up and buy it yourself without relying on others to get stuff for you free of charge.

Life isn't about bludging off other people, it's about making your own way in this world.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 23 February 2014, 16:58:53
You need to man up. Don't depend on others (i.e. 9-year-old workers) to make consumer-grade products for you.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 23 February 2014, 20:29:35
I've been reading all of your posts about a Zowie EVO so I'm going to ask for one of those for my bday! If I don't get it then I'll probably buy one!

You need to man up.  Don't depend on others to buy you 'presents' because that's a feminine character trait.  You want something, save up and buy it yourself without relying on others to get stuff for you free of charge.

Life isn't about bludging off other people, it's about making your own way in this world.

I could buy that **** right now man. It's not about that. It's the fact that I need to make a list for my wife, so I decided a mouse would be a good item. 
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 23 February 2014, 22:26:41
It's not about that. It's the fact that I need to make a list for my wife, so I decided a mouse would be a good item.

You should be telling your wife how much you love her and just being with her in this life together, is more than anything you can ever hope for.  Buying things to engender feelings of love and acceptance is a very hollow one and will pass quicker than water down a pipe.

Just be glad she still accepts you and wants you to touch her each and every day.  Not all women are so inclined for you to do that especially after some years pass by.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 23 February 2014, 22:42:32
It's not about that. It's the fact that I need to make a list for my wife, so I decided a mouse would be a good item.

You should be telling your wife how much you love her and just being with her in this life together, is more than anything you can ever hope for.  Buying things to engender feelings of love and acceptance is a very hollow one and will pass quicker than water down a pipe.

Just be glad she still accepts you and wants you to touch her each and every day.  Not all women are so inclined for you to do that especially after some years pass by.

Of course I tell her I love her and enjoy her company more than anything but we still enjoy getting eachother gifts as well. I do appreciate your compassion, we tell each other all the time that we don't need many gifts.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 23 February 2014, 23:02:16
I know what Dustin means.  My wife and I love each other no matter weather we get each other gifts or not.  It's just fun to do.

And if Dustin is like me then he is a hard guy to get gifts for.  My wife always asks me what I want for a gift when they are being given.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 23 February 2014, 23:04:09
I know what Dustin means.  My wife and I love each other no matter weather we get each other gifts or not.  It's just fun to do.

And if Dustin is like me then he is a hard guy to get gifts for.  My wife always asks me what I want for a gift when they are being given.

Exactly! :) I am sometimes hard to read as far as for gifts. I have a fine Mouse but it would be rad to have one of those! Maybe its time to try something besides Logitech.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: HPE1000 on Sun, 23 February 2014, 23:13:59
I have a deathadder black edition, I like it. Although I might get a new mouse later on. I think I want a more ergonomic mouse, at least something like the microsoft mx mouse, the "high performance" mouse.

My hands are pretty large and the deathadder feels small in my hands.

Also, the "black edition" part of my DA failed just a couple months in, it started getting really rough and did some weird things so I had to take sandpaper to it and sand off all the rubber coating on it. Now it is really slippery and any sweat on my hands makes is even worse. Also, it gets dirty really fast, the super glossy finish I put on it looks really nice but picks so much dirt and grime.

No issues with reliability or performance though, I have had it for over a year without problems.

Anyone have suggestions for people with large hands?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Sun, 23 February 2014, 23:58:25
I have a deathadder black edition, I like it. Although I might get a new mouse later on. I think I want a more ergonomic mouse, at least something like the microsoft mx mouse, the "high performance" mouse.

My hands are pretty large and the deathadder feels small in my hands.

Also, the "black edition" part of my DA failed just a couple months in, it started getting really rough and did some weird things so I had to take sandpaper to it and sand off all the rubber coating on it. Now it is really slippery and any sweat on my hands makes is even worse. Also, it gets dirty really fast, the super glossy finish I put on it looks really nice but picks so much dirt and grime.

No issues with reliability or performance though, I have had it for over a year without problems.

Anyone have suggestions for people with large hands?

Mionix Naos 7000? Evoluent Vertical Mouse?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: HPE1000 on Mon, 24 February 2014, 00:01:14
I have a deathadder black edition, I like it. Although I might get a new mouse later on. I think I want a more ergonomic mouse, at least something like the microsoft mx mouse, the "high performance" mouse.

My hands are pretty large and the deathadder feels small in my hands.

Also, the "black edition" part of my DA failed just a couple months in, it started getting really rough and did some weird things so I had to take sandpaper to it and sand off all the rubber coating on it. Now it is really slippery and any sweat on my hands makes is even worse. Also, it gets dirty really fast, the super glossy finish I put on it looks really nice but picks so much dirt and grime.

No issues with reliability or performance though, I have had it for over a year without problems.

Anyone have suggestions for people with large hands?

Mionix Naos 7000? Evoluent Vertical Mouse?
The naos doesn't seem bigger, just wider, which i guess isn't a bad thing :)

Although there is no way I could get used to that vertical mouse, I also want a mouse I can do gaming on. Otherwise I would probably just get a trackball.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Mon, 24 February 2014, 00:45:24
I have a deathadder black edition, I like it. Although I might get a new mouse later on. I think I want a more ergonomic mouse, at least something like the microsoft mx mouse, the "high performance" mouse.

My hands are pretty large and the deathadder feels small in my hands.

Also, the "black edition" part of my DA failed just a couple months in, it started getting really rough and did some weird things so I had to take sandpaper to it and sand off all the rubber coating on it. Now it is really slippery and any sweat on my hands makes is even worse. Also, it gets dirty really fast, the super glossy finish I put on it looks really nice but picks so much dirt and grime.

No issues with reliability or performance though, I have had it for over a year without problems.

Anyone have suggestions for people with large hands?

My guess is that its probably not a size issue as much as it is a contour issue. I think the DA probably isn't high enough for you so you aren't able to achieve a good palm grip.

I think you might like the Rival. I think its worth checking out the g400s just to see if it contours better.

I know the thermal take m10 mouse is huge but its not an optical mouse and  ... Well let's just say you should look at that mouse for yourself because it's kinda a wonky design meant for bimmer enthusiasts.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: admiralvorian on Tue, 25 February 2014, 12:59:32
I'm using a logitech g400 right now and I've got to say, this middle-of-the-road mouse has outperformed many other fancy gaming mice I've owned.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 25 February 2014, 16:56:34
I'm using a logitech g400 right now and I've got to say, this middle-of-the-road mouse has outperformed many other fancy gaming mice I've owned.

Based off the the original MX500 which I still use sometimes, the greatest EVER Logitech device created.  Have no rush to ever put into storage compared to some other junk I spent money on.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Tue, 25 February 2014, 17:33:59
I'm using a logitech g400 right now and I've got to say, this middle-of-the-road mouse has outperformed many other fancy gaming mice I've owned.

I think the revised g400 and g400s is actually one of Logitech's best devices out of their current line up. Its optical and its a good decent size for most people.

That's why I don't really like the Logitech naming system.

Following most gaming companies that try to hype their products, Logitech's gaming "top line" (expensive stuff) is comprised of:
laser sensors
Wireless devices
Really tiny devices.

Of course you can make that argument that laser sensors and wireless aren't all that bad but they're not in the same league of precision as optical sensors and precision is what gaming peripherals should really be about.

I don't like that they market these "substandard" devices as gaming peripherals for gamers and even charge a premium on these "gamer" peripherals on top of that. Really terrible practices and I guess while I'm ranting I wish more reviewers actually called these companies out on these sort of marketing practices instead of providing free advertisement.

 

Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: oscillik on Tue, 25 February 2014, 17:49:06
my favourite mouse for many years was a Logitech MX1000 (http://img.clubic.com/00205672-photo-logitech-mx1000-bt-3.jpg), but the battery died on me and was not user replaceable. This was back in 2004/2005 I think.

When I built up another computer in 2009, I got a Logitech G9x and was very happy with it, the shape was great. And I put all the weights in it too.

I then upgraded to a Steelseries Sensei, and I'm still using it now. Getting rather annoyed with the mouse though, as there are some weird issues with it - it can never do a firmware update properly, always fails about 40% in and requires replugging in the USB, and sometimes the mouse just flatly refuses to work and requires to be plugged back in.

I'm anxiously waiting on a Zowie FK 2014 to arrive in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 25 February 2014, 21:09:22
I think the revised g400 and g400s is actually one of Logitech's best devices out of their current line up. Its optical and its a good decent size for most people.

I've got these in succession (still have them) mx500, mx510, mx518 (versions 1600 and 1800 dpi), G400 (second version) and the G400S.  Comparing all of them to QUALITY (housing, switches, weight and graphic styles) the mx500 is still KING.  Why you might say, first off the plastic housing which came out first in these series was HIGH quality meaning it weighed in way above all successive series of so-called gaming mice released by Logitech.  Second, the switches which the mx500 used were perfect, not too sensitive nor too harsh but extremely quiet when pressed.  I suspect they used the original Japanese Omrons which were always first class quality compared to the Chinese made copies.  Third, is that the mx500 has a small metal plate affixed inside the top part of the housing when you first open it.  That helped to make the mouse a little heavier (which I always loved).

The down side of the mx500 was the weak max 800dpi setting within it's original sensor.  You can easily fix that because I swapped out the optical pcb plate from a worn out mx518 (1600dpi version) and slotted it into the mx500 model and presto, new higher frequency 1600dpi mouse.  Plus I love it's replaced onboard sensor that works perfectly at 400, 800 and 1600dpi without any problems  :thumb: .

Now I have my MOST favourite of all Logitech optical mice, running with some of it's original housing and switches.  You might ask why I bothered to replace the internals of the mouse with something else, it's because I had to originally replace the outer black side, rubber casing with a newer mx518 black-coloured shell.  The original mx500 black rubber casing had dissolved into a sticky soft mess.  The rubber material they used was just that and never lasted long, because as soon as you placed your hand onto an original mx500 mouse that awful stickiness was there.  Logitech used the black coloured rubber which has already reached the end of it's usable lifespan and nothing you could do to fix that, other than to replace it, or get a newer mouse - riigghhtttt  ::) .

So I replaced the black rubber side casing with a newer plastic version from an mx518 and it became a new mouse again.  I also kept the original underneath plate housing because I always favoured the original small 5 oval plastic feet that gave the mouse a different feeling on my mouse pads compared to the newer 3 part versions, sold on all the current G400's.

I always hated to throw away good mice due to housing failures so you can easily fix that.  I never thought Logitech could get any worse as they progress forward but as usual they never fail to highlight their accounting cheapness, in making mice with deliberate obsolescence so that we all can stoke up land fill sites over time, with their failed products  >:( .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 26 February 2014, 02:15:39
I'm one of those that seriously hope that Logitech understands the crap they're doing. The Logitech G9x for an instance is an awesome mouse that SHOULD receive a better version. And by better, I don't mean replacing the AVAGO 9500 sensor for an AVAGO 9800, that's some retarded bull**** that many companies are doing, but by doing the following:

- Replacing the entire scroll wheel system for a standard TTC or ALPS scroll encoder with no horizontal buttons.

Why? I know some people like horizontal buttons, but the biggest reason why the sensor was off-centered was actually because of the size of that scroll wheel thing. It's damn huge!
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8515/2u32.jpg

Also, at the same time this could make it possible to fix the problem of the middle button switch, which is an extremely low quality SMT type switch. That switch could be replaced for an TTC White or OTM Red switch. Hell, even Kailh or Zhij switches would be better than what was used before.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7572/tklr.jpg

- Using standard mouse switches for the side buttons

I'm not one to complain when the DPI buttons use some low quality switches, because they're the least used switches on the mouse. But now, when the side buttons use the same switches as they do, things do get more complicated.
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/183/iy0t.jpg

These are extremely low quality and cheap membrane switches, their feedback isn't that good and they cannot be replaced for any other switch. Plus, no one makes replacements for these, so, if your side buttons on the Logitech G9x end up failing, you're basically screwed.

- Going Optical

There are plenty of great optical sensors nowadays. The AVAGO 3090, 3095, 3310 and I know Logitech could even come up with a modified version of the 3310 if they wanted to. I could say stuff for half an hour, but I think posting this is just about enough:

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[18/02/2014 15:01:37] Carter Salley: people who buy 9800 are people who have ZERO idea about internal components
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Wed, 26 February 2014, 02:29:20
I'm one of those that seriously hope that Logitech understands the crap they're doing. The Logitech G9x for an instance is an awesome mouse that SHOULD receive a better version. And by better, I don't mean replacing the AVAGO 9500 sensor for an AVAGO 9800, that's some retarded bull**** that many companies are doing, but by doing the following:

- Replacing the entire scroll wheel system for a standard TTC or ALPS scroll encoder with no horizontal buttons.

Why? I know some people like horizontal buttons, but the biggest reason why the sensor was off-centered was actually because of the size of that scroll wheel thing. It's damn huge!
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8515/2u32.jpg

Also, at the same time this could make it possible to fix the problem of the middle button switch, which is an extremely low quality SMT type switch. That switch could be replaced for an TTC White or OTM Red switch. Hell, even Kailh or Zhij switches would be better than what was used before.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7572/tklr.jpg

- Using standard mouse switches for the side buttons

I'm not one to complain when the DPI buttons use some low quality switches, because they're the least used switches on the mouse. But now, when the side buttons use the same switches as they do, things do get more complicated.
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/183/iy0t.jpg

These are extremely low quality and cheap membrane switches, their feedback isn't that good and they cannot be replaced for any other switch. Plus, no one makes replacements for these, so, if your side buttons on the Logitech G9x end up failing, you're basically screwed.

- Going Optical

There are plenty of great optical sensors nowadays. The AVAGO 3090, 3095, 3310 and I know Logitech could even come up with a modified version of the 3310 if they wanted to. I could say stuff for half an hour, but I think posting this is just about enough:

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[18/02/2014 15:01:37] Carter Salley: people who buy 9800 are people who have ZERO idea about internal components
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Yea, I've always been puzzled as to why they didn't make a better refresh of the g9x.
Especially since the g9x was such a widely acclaimed mouse when it was released (despite it's numerous faults ... well then again those reviewers on popular general blogs don't really know what to look for).

Speaking of the 9800, it's a shame that CM also indulges in ... marketing hype cockery ... selling their most expensive mouses with a 9800 to give the impression that it's truly a premium product to unsuspecting people. Company bureaucracy at it's finest.

We should definitely start a mouse rant thread!
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Rena on Wed, 26 February 2014, 13:00:09
I haven't used many mice but the G9x is by far one of the most comfortable I've ever used. The sensor isn't really perfect at all but it's certainly nice still
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 26 February 2014, 13:10:58
I haven't used many mice but the G9x is by far one of the most comfortable I've ever used. The sensor isn't really perfect at all but it's certainly nice still

We're there with that comfort part bro, but there are unfortunately lots of points that could be fixed... There were plenty of people mad when I gave the Logitech G9x a 7/10 on my review of it, but I told them that if it weren't for the ergonomics, I'd give it a 5/10 or less due to the low quality internals and horrible price.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Rena on Wed, 26 February 2014, 13:21:46
I haven't used many mice but the G9x is by far one of the most comfortable I've ever used. The sensor isn't really perfect at all but it's certainly nice still

We're there with that comfort part bro, but there are unfortunately lots of points that could be fixed... There were plenty of people mad when I gave the Logitech G9x a 7/10 on my review of it, but I told them that if it weren't for the ergonomics, I'd give it a 5/10 or less due to the low quality internals and horrible price.
price wasn't an issue for me since I got it for $38 but I completely agree it isn't worth $90 or whatever they're charging now. It's appearance and feel are great, and the DPI buttons on top are very helpful too, but the sensor and internals are just too inadequate to recommend at more than $40
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Novus on Wed, 26 February 2014, 18:40:14
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Look at this.
Ugh.
How misleading.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Rena on Wed, 26 February 2014, 18:43:16
12 hour battery life? Who would ever want that?

Sounds ****ing terrible. It's already bad enough they're advertising a wireless mouse as superior.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 26 February 2014, 20:26:53
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Look at this.
Ugh.
How misleading.

Yes, Logitech has gone all Razer-like with their crappy postings about their input devices.  Because there are no real reviewers out there that would take them to task for making such blatant claims about their dodgey products, it becomes the norm and noobs get lured into their marketing hype and start gaping their wallets.

I actually stopped buying their latest gear (except the G400S and G500S) yes I'm an idiot noob  :p .  Sheet, I don't even know why I posted this, I outted myself into still supporting these lame bastards  :'( .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Wed, 26 February 2014, 21:53:28
12 hour battery life? Who would ever want that?

Sounds ****ing terrible. It's already bad enough they're advertising a wireless mouse as superior.

Worse than that is the fact that it weights 150 grams with the battery, so, it's extremely heavy. I hated  using it since I have fingertip grip...

But anyways, it doesn't lasts more than 2-3 days playing and it uses a Sanyo Eneloop battery (which fortunately is the best rechargeable battery available, you can let it alone for 5 years and it'll still have more than half its charge left, plus it lasts more than 1500 recharges while other cheap rechargeable battery end up dying in between 200-500 recharges).

Anyways, unfortunately when you compare that 12 hours battery with other mice that competes with it (Razer Mamba, Razer Naga Epic, Steelseries Wow, Steelseries Sensei Wireless, A4Tech Bloody R7 and Cyborg R.A.T 9), all of these suffer of the same problems. None last longer than a 4-5 days of use.

The reason for this is because none of these were really planned to be wireless. Most use components that are NOT power-friendly (lol, the AVAGO 9800 sure doesn't seems to be a sensor that requires a low amount of energy nor does the PTE 2032 and 2033), plus other stuff like internal memory and a processor and the most important of all, all of these try to have this "1000 Hz laglesss" policy, which is actually the main cause for the battery to last next to nothing. The higher the refresh rate, the higher battery consume and less delay in the communication there will be. And yes, that's the reason why some of those cheap wireless mice have some delay.

The G602 thankfully had a different approach. They used an optical sensor which doesn't requires much energy, plus the tranmission method was changed and the "gaming refresh rate" has been decreased to 500 Hz, while it can use a 125 Hz refresh rate when you're not playing. Less gaming "gimmicks", but far better as a wireless mouse.

(Attachment Link)
Look at this.
Ugh.
How misleading.

Yes, Logitech has gone all Razer-like with their crappy postings about their input devices.  Because there are no real reviewers out there that would take them to task for making such blatant claims about their dodgey products, it becomes the norm and noobs get lured into their marketing hype and start gaping their wallets.

I actually stopped buying their latest gear (except the G400S and G500S) yes I'm an idiot noob  :p .  Sheet, I don't even know why I posted this, I outted myself into still supporting these lame bastards  :'( .

While the Logitech G700s isn't a bad mouse, it's far inferior to the Logitech G602, but they still want to make it "look" superior due to the laser sensor, high DPI value and higher refresh rate... And jesus, the G400/G400s makes it look silly when you truly compare each other.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Kamen Rider Blade on Thu, 27 February 2014, 03:27:01
12 hour battery life? Who would ever want that?

Sounds ****ing terrible. It's already bad enough they're advertising a wireless mouse as superior.

Worse than that is the fact that it weights 150 grams with the battery, so, it's extremely heavy. I hated  using it since I have fingertip grip...

But anyways, it doesn't lasts more than 2-3 days playing and it uses a Sanyo Eneloop battery (which fortunately is the best rechargeable battery available, you can let it alone for 5 years and it'll still have more than half its charge left, plus it lasts more than 1500 recharges while other cheap rechargeable battery end up dying in between 200-500 recharges).

Anyways, unfortunately when you compare that 12 hours battery with other mice that competes with it (Razer Mamba, Razer Naga Epic, Steelseries Wow, Steelseries Sensei Wireless, A4Tech Bloody R7 and Cyborg R.A.T 9), all of these suffer of the same problems. None last longer than a 4-5 days of use.

The reason for this is because none of these were really planned to be wireless. Most use components that are NOT power-friendly (lol, the AVAGO 9800 sure doesn't seems to be a sensor that requires a low amount of energy nor does the PTE 2032 and 2033), plus other stuff like internal memory and a processor and the most important of all, all of these try to have this "1000 Hz laglesss" policy, which is actually the main cause for the battery to last next to nothing. The higher the refresh rate, the higher battery consume and less delay in the communication there will be. And yes, that's the reason why some of those cheap wireless mice have some delay.

The G602 thankfully had a different approach. They used an optical sensor which doesn't requires much energy, plus the tranmission method was changed and the "gaming refresh rate" has been decreased to 500 Hz, while it can use a 125 Hz refresh rate when you're not playing. Less gaming "gimmicks", but far better as a wireless mouse.

(Attachment Link)
Look at this.
Ugh.
How misleading.

Yes, Logitech has gone all Razer-like with their crappy postings about their input devices.  Because there are no real reviewers out there that would take them to task for making such blatant claims about their dodgey products, it becomes the norm and noobs get lured into their marketing hype and start gaping their wallets.

I actually stopped buying their latest gear (except the G400S and G500S) yes I'm an idiot noob  :p .  Sheet, I don't even know why I posted this, I outted myself into still supporting these lame bastards  :'( .

While the Logitech G700s isn't a bad mouse, it's far inferior to the Logitech G602, but they still want to make it "look" superior due to the laser sensor, high DPI value and higher refresh rate... And jesus, the G400/G400s makes it look silly when you truly compare each other.

As somebody who has the G602, the battery life is AWESOME.

I'm okay with the feature set.

Honestly the G700 feels like a wired mouse they slapped wireless functionality onto and called it a day.

They didn't bother designing it as a wireless mouse from the ground up from what I can tell.

Whereas the G602, they figured out what they needed to make a good wireless mouse and bam, success IMO.

One of the best mouse that I've ever used.

Honestly, when they refresh the G700s, they better turned it into a nice wired mouse.

That would make it perfect IMO.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Thu, 27 February 2014, 05:58:21
As somebody who has the G602, the battery life is AWESOME.

Whereas the G602, they figured out what they needed to make a good wireless mouse and bam, success IMO.

One of the best mouse that I've ever used.

And that's exactly the reason why I ordered one. Plus, I need something good to use with my HTPC along with the Matias Secure Pro.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Johan on Thu, 27 February 2014, 06:53:26
I'm surprised that they market the g100s as a great value, ranges from 54-60 in sweden. Seems like a lot for a 3 button mouse, considering I got a xornet for 20$.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: dmbr on Thu, 27 February 2014, 11:13:29
Why didn't they add a 1000hz option?
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Thu, 27 February 2014, 11:30:28
Why didn't they add a 1000hz option?

The higher the refresh rate, the higher the energy consumption. They wouldn't be able to keep that "250 hours battery" claim if people were able to set it up to 1000 Hz.

Besides, 2ms delay (500hz) isn't really that much, it's a sacrifice that's worth it since it does increases the battery life a lot and it's not even perceptible outside of tests.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Kamen Rider Blade on Thu, 27 February 2014, 12:25:48
Why didn't they add a 1000hz option?

The higher the refresh rate, the higher the energy consumption. They wouldn't be able to keep that "250 hours battery" claim if people were able to set it up to 1000 Hz.

Besides, 2ms delay (500hz) isn't really that much, it's a sacrifice that's worth it since it does increases the battery life a lot and it's not even perceptible outside of tests.

1 ms delay between polling (1000 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 7 ms, 8x Power Consumption>
2 ms delay between polling ( 500 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 6 ms, 4x Power Consumption>
4 ms delay between polling ( 250 Hz) <Reduce Input Lag by 4 ms, 2x Power Consumption>
8 ms delay between polling ( 125 Hz) <Base Input Lag, Base Power Consumption>


You do the math, what is the best Performance gain to Power Consumption ratio IYO?
For wireless, I can never see 1,000 Hz as a good Option
500 Hz, 250 Hz, and 125 Hz are the best choices IMO.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: daerid on Thu, 27 February 2014, 15:49:59
I believe there's several pro gamers out there that do just fine @ 500hz
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: munch on Thu, 27 February 2014, 17:11:20
I'm surprised that they market the g100s as a great value, ranges from 54-60 in sweden. Seems like a lot for a 3 button mouse, considering I got a xornet for 20$.

heh, I currently live in Sweden but bought a G100s for my brother while I was in Canada and got it for $38 CAD (~$34 USD)
at that price point I find it to be a really good deal. the innards are great and it does feel quite nice. he's a big fan of it, and as am I.
personally loving the G400s though. for its shape and good but not quite perfect sensor. good enough though. the 'smoothing' doesn't bother me too much.
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 27 February 2014, 20:43:07
I'm surprised that they market the g100s as a great value, ranges from 54-60 in sweden. Seems like a lot for a 3 button mouse, considering I got a xornet for 20$.

heh, I currently live in Sweden but bought a G100s for my brother while I was in Canada and got it for $38 CAD (~$34 USD)
at that price point I find it to be a really good deal. the innards are great and it does feel quite nice. he's a big fan of it, and as am I.
personally loving the G400s though. for its shape and good but not quite perfect sensor. good enough though. the 'smoothing' doesn't bother me too much.

If you love the way the WMO fits in your hand then you'll orgasm over the G100S.  I'm not a fan over the wmo because it's just too damn small for my right hand but a lot of gamers swear over the wmo as the world's best mouse (don't quote me here).

The G400 shape is the only one I like but there are some other shapes out there worth noting like the current Mionix NAOS 7000 which is to die for but there is still the Zowie EC1's and Roccat Kone Pure Optical are the current BEST mice you can easily buy.  I have them all but I still go back to the NAOS 7000 for everyday use, because it's like caressing a super model, without the put downs  :thumb: .
Title: Re: What your fav mouse?
Post by: wetto on Thu, 27 February 2014, 22:30:16
I'm surprised that they market the g100s as a great value, ranges from 54-60 in sweden. Seems like a lot for a 3 button mouse, considering I got a xornet for 20$.

heh, I currently live in Sweden but bought a G100s for my brother while I was in Canada and got it for $38 CAD (~$34 USD)
at that price point I find it to be a really good deal. the innards are great and it does feel quite nice. he's a big fan of it, and as am I.
personally loving the G400s though. for its shape and good but not quite perfect sensor. good enough though. the 'smoothing' doesn't bother me too much.

If you love the way the WMO fits in your hand then you'll orgasm over the G100S.  I'm not a fan over the wmo because it's just too damn small for my right hand but a lot of gamers swear over the wmo as the world's best mouse (don't quote me here).

The G400 shape is the only one I like but there are some other shapes out there worth noting like the current Mionix NAOS 7000 which is to die for but there is still the Zowie EC1's and Roccat Kone Pure Optical are the current BEST mice you can easily buy.  I have them all but I still go back to the NAOS 7000 for everyday use, because it's like caressing a super model, without the put downs  :thumb: .

While I really don't find the Roccat Kone Pure's shape as being "one of the best" there is out there for Fingertip/Claw grips (it's good, but I'd rather have a Logitech G9x or Corsair M65 on the ergonomics department), one thing is true: That thing was made with some of the best materials available in the market.

An extremely comfortable rubber coating unlike many others, incredibly smooth Teflon feet (it just feels like a piece of soap on the first days, but you get used to it and end up loving it), TTC switches on the side buttons, a lovely ALPS scroll wheel which was implemented in a way so it wouldn't be extremely noisy (it's a little bit, but it's very acceptable) and a really nice software if you're into it. The only complaint I have is that they didn't used the OMRON D2FC-F-7N 10M or 20M variants, but the common 5M model, but even still, it's a mouse that's very, very impressive. And it's the only mouse that I regret selling, even though the model I had was the AVAGO 9800 one :( (though I did get R$ 250 [around US$ 120] for it  :p )