[IC] GMK Space Cadet II - LIVE until October 30th

[Techlet]

Just took a closer look at the kits.

Is getting the entire blue base the only way to get mod colored tilde and pipe keys?

[sirieous]

Nice. Pretty keen.

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[DrHigsby]

This is great news!

Mark me down for interested in gray mods. I’d love to see the blue alphas with gray mods. Kinda like an inverse kit. I would totally pick up both if that happens.

[heliar_mk]

yes！

[OtherAndrew]

also interested in grey mods

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

This isn't Drops September set, is it?

[leexy]

any chance of a standalone spacekeys kit?

[neutralstate]

+1 on 2 suggestions i saw, blue alphas only kit and gray mods !

[jimboytacos]

In case anyone was wondering what changed (or missing keys) from Space Cadet R1. I circled them.

https://imgur.com/a/VZSJHHI

FYI: R1 was a monster of a kit with lots of compatibility.


Totally be down for a "gray only modifiers" - like, how UMKA modifiers was a thing.... just not for $160 please. no oh!

[jimboytacos]

Just took a closer look at the kits.

Is getting the entire blue base the only way to get mod colored tilde and pipe keys?

This is either an oversight and should be a key to be added into base kit. Or THAT just might be your only option.

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

Mod kits are usually 100-110$ because MOQ 100. Umka was MOQ 50 or 75. If we were gonna get a mods only kit, it woulda happened with Oblivion R2, and if I remember right Oblotzky had quotes and it didn’t work well, and git/reg/monochrome became base kits.

So unless blue base becomes inverted (blue alpha/grey mods) it’s probably not happening. I’d have bought grey mods or white mods (w grey letters). Disclaimer-I own Umka.

[packman86]

People really be asking for changes on worlds greatest keyset. Smh my head

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

People really be asking for changes on worlds greatest keyset. Smh my head

2020’s wild. What was it...interest checks serve their purpose? maybe someone else will run grey mods as sessantacadet.

[TaurusTrades]

Very cool!

[parablol]

The original GB had ErgoDox, Ortholinear, and Colevrak kits. I can understand why those aren't included here. It's because they don't reach MOQ. Disappointing, but that's just how 2020 is.

I might join this for the novelties and small space keys, but no base. Not a fan of recent trend where sets that sold A LOT like this one and Laser for example have R2 structured where ya gotta buy 200+ keycaps just to get the ~50 ya actually want.

[harlekein]

The original GB had ErgoDox, Ortholinear, and Colevrak kits. I can understand why those aren't included here. It's because they don't reach MOQ. Disappointing, but that's just how 2020 is.

I might join this for the novelties and small space keys, but no base. Not a fan of recent trend where sets that sold A LOT like this one and Laser for example have R2 structured where ya gotta buy 200+ keycaps just to get the ~50 ya actually want.

That's just GMK for you. I'm glad I got KAT Cadet.

[tonyle]

I wish it would have yellow, red and white novelties such as symbiosis. Couldnt find cherry version of that set...

[VXQN]

Just took a closer look at the kits.

Is getting the entire blue base the only way to get mod colored tilde and pipe keys?

Would also like to see mod coloured tilde/pipe in base. Is the set actually open to changes, or is this just a "coming soon" kinda IC?

[Oblotzky]

Updated True Cadet to also include the three Numpad keys in blue to be compatible with Blue Base.



Regarding Gray Modifier kit requests: While I can see that looking great, I'm afraid that pricing for mod-addons has always been terrible so I'm not too keen on offering those type of kits in any of my GMK projects. However I'm looking at the newly arrived GMK ASCII in front of me and it's giving me ideas...

[bukowski]

With Intl-Kit *_*

I am in!

[neutralstate]

Regarding Gray Modifier kit requests: While I can see that looking great, I'm afraid that pricing for mod-addons has always been terrible so I'm not too keen on offering those type of kits in any of my GMK projects. However I'm looking at the newly arrived GMK ASCII in front of me and it's giving me ideas...

All gray base kit as well? :O

[Oblotzky]

Regarding Gray Modifier kit requests: While I can see that looking great, I'm afraid that pricing for mod-addons has always been terrible so I'm not too keen on offering those type of kits in any of my GMK projects. However I'm looking at the newly arrived GMK ASCII in front of me and it's giving me ideas...

All gray base kit as well? :O

No, but something for the future.

[voodoo6k]

Yes! Classic.

I don't usually ask for anything, because the only MX-compatible keyboard I use these days is the Filco Minila...

There's actually a new Minila that just came out, and the layout is more GB-friendly. Since GMK now makes a 3u spacebar, which you've included, you're only missing two keys:

• R4 1.75u (Ctrl or Hyper or Lock) key;
• Additional (blue or grey) R4C 1.25u key, so that both are the same colour.

We cannot really expect a R4 1.75u (Ctrl or Hyper) in the base set... ca we? Asia is a big market...

I understand that MiniVan support is omitted from the 40's kit, which would provide an alternate R4 1.75u Lock key.

There's a tendency to place Super in the Win/Meta key position. I wish more Unix-oriented sets would use Meta as the Win key, like this:

I guess for this set, you could swap Super and Meta.

The above is wrong.

I looked at some Linux documentation (Xorg) and indeed the Win key is Super, because Emacs uses Alt as Meta:

Due to being designed at the time of the space-cadet keyboard, X11 defined the shift states "Meta", "Super", and "Hyper" (along with "Shift" and "Control" and "Alt" which were commonly available on keyboards). Initially on PC hardware it was just impossible to produce these shift states as there was no key to push for them. The only software that commonly used these modifiers was Emacs.

With the appearance of keyboards with the Windows key there was now a key available on standard keyboards that could be used for one of these. Initially, circa 1996, it was most common to make this key be the "Meta" shift key. However, due to the high number of Emacs commands using "Meta", there were already long-established replacements (the Alt key acted as Meta, or typing Escape,X acted like Meta-X), so adding an actual Meta key did not provide much added functionality. This made Super the first key of interest in emulating, and therefore it became the standard assignment after a few years.

To avoid using a Microsoft trademark, much Linux documentation refers to the key as "Super". This can confuse some users who still consider it a "Windows key". In KDE Plasma documentation it is called the Meta key even though the X11 "Super" shift bit is used.[4][5]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_(keyboard_button)

[The.Ryan.Gamer]

@Oblotzky

Broooooo! I would love to get these sets, both blue and grey/blue base is clean AF. If you need help to get an Asia Vendor. I suggest Ilumkb. Just let me know i'll help you.

More like helping myself as well because i need this. 

[konstantin]

ne hyper 7 compat avail

Edit:

Also, I have a nitpick:

There's a tendency to place Super in the Win/Meta key position. I wish more Unix-oriented sets would use Meta as the Win key, like this:

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Source: https://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-code/

I guess for this set, you could swap Super and Meta.

Meta originally meant Alt, not Win/Super/GUI.

[ideus]

I cannot find a 6u space bar, is it missing?

[voodoo6k]

ne hyper 7 compat avail

Edit:

Also, I have a nitpick:

There's a tendency to place Super in the Win/Meta key position. I wish more Unix-oriented sets would use Meta as the Win key, like this:

Show Image

Source: https://www.w3.org/TR/uievents-code/

I guess for this set, you could swap Super and Meta.

Meta originally meant Alt, not Win/Super/GUI.

Are you sure? I'm no keyboard historian, but I was under the impression that the ◇/meta key was analogous to the Windows key.

I think Emacs maps M-key to Alt (not an Emacs user myself). However, on HHKB meta is mapped to win/command, no?

On the Space-cadet keyboard, the order "of apparition" seems to be Ctrl, Meta, Super and Hyper.

Anyway... I think Meta (written out) would probably look better combined with Fn/Menu, which won't be used here. So, either way.

[pixelpusher]

Regarding Gray Modifier kit requests: While I can see that looking great, I'm afraid that pricing for mod-addons has always been terrible so I'm not too keen on offering those type of kits in any of my GMK projects. However I'm looking at the newly arrived GMK ASCII in front of me and it's giving me ideas...

All gray base kit as well? :O

No, but something for the future.

I like where this is going...

[konstantin]

Meta originally meant Alt, not Win/Super/GUI.

Are you sure? I'm no keyboard historian, but I was under the impression that the ◇/meta key was analogous to the Windows key.

I think Emacs maps M-key to Alt (not an Emacs user myself). However, on HHKB meta is mapped to win/command, no?

On the Space-cadet keyboard, the order "of apparition" seems to be Ctrl, Meta, Super and Hyper.

Anyway... I think Meta (written out) would probably look better combined with Fn/Menu, which won't be used here. So, either way.

I mean, it's debatable because there is no 1–1 mapping between the old Ctrl, Meta, Super, Hyper and the modern Ctrl, Alt, GUI. Technically all of them can co-exist on a single keyboard (and, indeed, X on Linux supports all six). I mainly refer to the Emacs usage because it's pretty much the only consistent, direct link that's been around for as long as all of those keys have.

“Originally” is the wrong way of putting it, though, you're right about that; my bad. “Most closely matching” is a more accurate description.

Edit: re HHKB: That uses an empty diamond (♢), which is sometimes used to mean Super, whereas Meta is usually represented with a filled diamond (♦).

[jimboytacos]

Updated True Cadet to also include the three Numpad keys in blue to be compatible with Blue Base.

Show Image

Regarding Gray Modifier kit requests: While I can see that looking great, I'm afraid that pricing for mod-addons has always been terrible so I'm not too keen on offering those type of kits in any of my GMK projects. However I'm looking at the newly arrived GMK ASCII in front of me and it's giving me ideas...

Show Image

Can you put space cadet alphas on ASCII modifiers and take a picture? I wanna see what that looks like.

Pretty please?

[voodoo6k]

Meta originally meant Alt, not Win/Super/GUI.

Are you sure? I'm no keyboard historian, but I was under the impression that the ◇/meta key was analogous to the Windows key.

I think Emacs maps M-key to Alt (not an Emacs user myself). However, on HHKB meta is mapped to win/command, no?

On the Space-cadet keyboard, the order "of apparition" seems to be Ctrl, Meta, Super and Hyper.

Anyway... I think Meta (written out) would probably look better combined with Fn/Menu, which won't be used here. So, either way.

I mean, it's debatable because there is no 1–1 mapping between the old Ctrl, Meta, Super, Hyper and the modern Ctrl, Alt, GUI. Technically all of them can co-exist on a single keyboard (and, indeed, X on Linux supports all six). I mainly refer to the Emacs usage because it's pretty much the only consistent, direct link that's been around for as long as all of those keys have.

“Originally” is the wrong way of putting it, though, you're right about that; my bad. “Most closely matching” is a more accurate description.

Edit: re HHKB: That uses an empty diamond (♢), which is sometimes used to mean Super, whereas Meta is usually represented with a filled diamond (♦).

Actually, you're right.

For some reason, I kept reading that Meta is Win. But I looked at some Linux documentation (Xorg) and indeed the Win key is Super, because Emacs uses Alt as Meta:

Due to being designed at the time of the space-cadet keyboard, X11 defined the shift states "Meta", "Super", and "Hyper" (along with "Shift" and "Control" and "Alt" which were commonly available on keyboards). Initially on PC hardware it was just impossible to produce these shift states as there was no key to push for them. The only software that commonly used these modifiers was Emacs.

With the appearance of keyboards with the Windows key there was now a key available on standard keyboards that could be used for one of these. Initially, circa 1996, it was most common to make this key be the "Meta" shift key. However, due to the high number of Emacs commands using "Meta", there were already long-established replacements (the Alt key acted as Meta, or typing Escape,X acted like Meta-X), so adding an actual Meta key did not provide much added functionality. This made Super the first key of interest in emulating, and therefore it became the standard assignment after a few years.

To avoid using a Microsoft trademark, much Linux documentation refers to the key as "Super". This can confuse some users who still consider it a "Windows key". In KDE Plasma documentation it is called the Meta key even though the X11 "Super" shift bit is used.[4][5]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_(keyboard_button)

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This is happening whether I chime in or not, but: in for Blue Base and True Cadet.

[FireLock]

International has me locked in for base.. there is no chance to have blue alternative to International also?

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[Oblotzky]

Paragon renders

[Rob27shred]

R5 True Cadet kit! Count me in for one of them & a 40's kit for that extra B.

[ideus]

International has me locked in for base.. there is no chance to have blue alternative to International also?

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it is doubthful that even the base color International set would reach MoQ.

[tr0yr0x]

I need this for my board!

[Kawamashi]

Would you consider nav subledgends for the numpad ? It would look more consistent next to the double-legends of the alphas.

[Brawlbeard]

Any chance, you could add R5 Alt Gr Keycaps to the International Kit?
Would be nice for us EU guys to use them with the True Cadet Kit.

[voodoo6k]

Here's what SCII would look like on the new Minila-R convertible:



All you need is an extra R4 1.75u Hyper in base or forties, plus both 1.25u spacekeys in blue.

@Oblotzky, let's make this happen

[VellFlamm]

I love it when you choose to add key sizes to the kit renders, such a little thing but it makes a large difference in QOL. Thank you.

[Omarpixel9]

I'm in 

[baysic]

Oh crap just joined the KAT group few months back. YOLO I guess, I'm in.

[Ramen Champ]

Love my space cadet R1 with blue alphas - definitely in for all the kits!

[thechemtrailkid]

Set looks great, I'd love to have it for my Zenith.

[komodo90]

Signing in for the full blue set 

[CodeMayhem]

Any consideration for a 1u r3 rub out key for the 40s kit?

I'd be really nice for preonic users. Plus some polling shows more plank users use control and caps over r3 tab.

[floristfran]

No text arrows?

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[psxndc]

Any consideration for a 1u r3 rub out key for the 40s kit?

I'd be really nice for preonic users. Plus some polling shows more plank users use control and caps over r3 tab.

+1 for this.

[konstantin]

What are the extra numpad 0 and . keys in the True Cadet kit for? Nvm, just saw that they're R5.

Any consideration for a 1u r3 rub out key for the 40s kit?

I'd be really nice for preonic users. Plus some polling shows more plank users use control and caps over r3 tab.

+1 for this.

+2. Including generic keys like this for 40s and ortho is a good idea.