Post by: hineybush on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:09:05
Invisibiliti approached me about making a QMK-progammable PCB for his 10-unit run polycarb/acrylic (I forget which) Unicorn TKL group buy. He sent me a broken (some diodes and the USB port were borked) Mech27 PCB to use for reference. I've noticed a gap in proper QMK "kustom" TKL PCBs, so I'm here to fill that gap.
(https://i.imgur.com/eyWOSJK.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/KffWEwC.png)
At this point, I've received the 10 PCBs for this run and have assembled one of them. I ordered diodes of the wrong package size, so I'm waiting for the right ones to come in.
(https://i.imgur.com/OkV4fcD.jpg)
RGB works nicely
(https://i.imgur.com/1BtRKS8.jpg)
In-switch LED works nicely
Okay so yeah, anyway.
Specs:
- TKL PCB
- Programmable via QMK
- "Skinny A87" form factor - same footprint as B87, but same USB placement and stab layout as A87.
- Standard ANSI and WKL bottom rows, ISO enter, short right and left shifts, 2u backspace
- Top-side Mini USB port
- Spacebar stab is under the spacebar switch (this is important for kustoms, and generally dictates compatibility). https://i.imgur.com/IODhEBW.png (https://i.imgur.com/IODhEBW.png)
- RGB underglow
- One-color in-switch LED
- Powered by Atmega32U4 MCU
- No physical reset switch - just short two pins on the PCB (for case compatibility)
- Pins to solder a daughter board on (Moon TKL, for example)
- Fully soldered and pre-programmed with a basic TKL map out of the box
- SPI pins
- Breakaway USB port for cases that use USB daughterboards
- Matte black solder mask w/ white text. There will be a special edition sold by Cartel that will be red w/ black lettering.
Note that compatibility will vary for this. It is not a drop-in PCB for any TKL. It will be the buyer's responsibility to ensure that the PCB will work with their target case/board. I'll work on gathering a compatibility list from some sources I have in the community. I do have plans to make an "H87b" version that has the spacebar stab swapped to the north side of the switch.
Check out this thread to get an idea of theoretical compatibility - i will update as i learn this fits certain cases listed: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96123.0
I expect to have these built and shipped to my 10 prototype buyers in the next two weeks. Once that is done, I will focus on getting this to market and mass production.
Price
At this moment based on my quotes/math, I'll be able to charge $45 per PCB with an MOQ of 50. If the total order number reaches 100, I should be able to drop that to $40 (TBD). These prices aren't 100% final yet, but are very close to my pricing goals.
If you have any questions, feel free to leave em below. I hope this can help the western keeb community get away from bootmapper/jigon.
Post by: Remsky on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:11:05
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:12:31
I am the less experienced one :(
Post by: dimo on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:12:42
What’s the best way to go about seeing if it would fit in a board (a prebuilt ducky one— idc about the usb port)
Are there measurements ? thanks, and consider me interested !
Post by: Velvet_Crowe on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:12:49
The lack of QMK pcbs for TKL kustoms is definitely an issue.
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:13:09
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Post by: bisoromi on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:14:31
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:22:05
Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?
I am the less experienced one :(
(https://i.imgur.com/eC2v5Al.png)
Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.
price looks great to just try out
What’s the best way to go about seeing if it would fit in a board (a prebuilt ducky one— idc about the usb port)
Are there measurements ? thanks, and consider me interested !
This will not fit in a prebuilt Ducky (or any OEM TKL for that matter), I'm sure. The spacing between the alphas and the F-row is different for most custom TKLs - 0.25u closer to the alphas than an OEM-style TKL.
The size is as follows:
X (width) 344.8mm
Y (height) 117.9mm
The USB port island extends an additional 4.9mm off of the top, and is 9.4mm wide. It is centered between the F12 and Print Screen keys.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:28:21
Thanks for the clarification!Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?
I am the less experienced one :(Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/eC2v5Al.png)
Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.
I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 05 July 2018, 23:30:36
Thanks for the clarification!Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?
I am the less experienced one :(Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/eC2v5Al.png)
Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.
I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.
Awesome. Like I said in the OP I'll make an H87b version soonly too. I went with the B87 form factor to hopefully not run into issues with fitment.
Post by: mech0nly on Fri, 06 July 2018, 02:00:08
Post by: wholypantalones on Fri, 06 July 2018, 06:57:31
Thanks for the clarification!Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?
I am the less experienced one :(Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/eC2v5Al.png)
Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.
I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.
Leeku 87 boards, Kin 87 boards, Mech27, Mira, etc are all b87 from my understanding.
I personally don't care for QMK and like JiGon, but variety never hurt anyone I suppose.
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 06 July 2018, 07:05:22
Post by: C³—Ears on Fri, 06 July 2018, 08:09:47
Post by: ns90 on Fri, 06 July 2018, 10:46:08
Post by: redbanshee on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:18:07
Thanks for the clarification!Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?
I am the less experienced one :(Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/eC2v5Al.png)
Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.
I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.
Leeku 87 boards, Kin 87 boards, Mech27, Mira, etc are all b87 from my understanding.
I personally don't care for QMK and like JiGon, but variety never hurt anyone I suppose.
I wish the term b.87 would go away.... its confusing... B.87 in the way you are referring to it here, only pertains to the footprint (dimensions) of the PCB.
A legit B.87 pcb (from winkeyless.kr) would not actually fit any of those cases because the USB port is in the wrong spot and wrong side of the PCB.
IMO it should be called something different like "Skinny A87" form factor - same footprint as B87, but same USB placement as A87. edit: looks like hineybush is referring to it in that way! yay!
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:44:55
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:44:37
Thanks for the clarification!Fantastic price! For the less experienced ones out there, could you briefly describe the difference between a.87 and b.87 form factors?
I am the less experienced one :(Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/eC2v5Al.png)
Basically, A87 is larger and won't fit into some cases that were designed with B87 in mind. The A87 also has a south-facing spacebar stab, vs. north-facing for B87. That's why this is designated H87a.
I'm pretty sure LZ GH v2 uses b87, if anyone knows for certain feel free to chime in. Regardless, even if it doesn't for 45 bucks I'm willing to buy at least a couple to stash away for future TKLs.
Leeku 87 boards, Kin 87 boards, Mech27, Mira, etc are all b87 from my understanding.
I personally don't care for QMK and like JiGon, but variety never hurt anyone I suppose.
I wish the term b.87 would go away.... its confusing... B.87 in the way you are referring to it here, only pertains to the footprint (dimensions) of the PCB.
A legit B.87 pcb (from winkeyless.kr) would not actually fit any of those cases because the USB port is in the wrong spot and wrong side of the PCB.
IMO it should be called something different like "Skinny A87" form factor - same footprint as B87, but same USB placement as A87. edit: looks like hineybush is referring to it in that way! yay!
Yeah I'm sorry about the confusion - another guy approached me about changing my wording up.
To clarify: The a and b in H87a/b denotes the spacebar stab orientation - a is south/under the switch (like in the a.87), b is north/over the switch (like in the b.87). The USB placement on both H87a andH87b is the same as a.87. Both the H87a and H87b have the same physical size - the same as the b.87.
hiney, the another gap is mx & alps compatibility ;)I could do this
Post by: ProtonDecay on Fri, 06 July 2018, 16:00:02
Post by: RealLaugh on Sat, 07 July 2018, 05:29:52
Post by: SBJ on Sat, 07 July 2018, 05:57:18
I don't know if it'll fit the KDB8X though.
Post by: E3E on Sat, 07 July 2018, 06:23:57
hiney, the another gap is mx & alps compatibility ;)
Seconded. This would PCB would be absolutely killer with dual MXAlps compatibility.
Post by: mech0nly on Sat, 07 July 2018, 07:07:09
hiney, the another gap is mx & alps compatibility ;)
Seconded. This would PCB would be absolutely killer with dual MXAlps compatibility.
The first, possibly one and only ;)
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 07 July 2018, 11:35:13
Post by: ProtonDecay on Sat, 07 July 2018, 12:46:03
Post by: redbanshee on Sat, 07 July 2018, 12:54:36
Damn, contemplating picking this one up.
I don't know if it'll fit the KDB8X though.
unfortunately the kbd8x has the USB port on the bottom of the pcb, so this wont work with it :(
Post by: phorx on Sat, 07 July 2018, 17:39:30
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 07 July 2018, 19:10:21
I’m interested to know how well this PCB fits in a Mech27/v2
i used that pcb as my physical design reference. so pretty well hopefully
Post by: loud_asian on Tue, 10 July 2018, 03:42:01
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 10 July 2018, 07:59:18
Any chance of adding lock light indicators between ESC and F1?
Probably not, I've included in-switch ones
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 12 July 2018, 02:03:53
K I'll add it
jk
After talking to some other PCB makers, decided not to do alps. it messes with some of the footprint spacing, etc.
Will do an alps version soon after this one
Post by: LifeZ on Thu, 12 July 2018, 08:02:03
Post by: mech0nly on Thu, 12 July 2018, 08:03:23
K I'll add it
jk
After talking to some other PCB makers, decided not to do alps. it messes with some of the footprint spacing, etc.
Will do an alps version soon after this one
No problem, sign me in for one each
Post by: OracleKev on Thu, 12 July 2018, 08:56:54
PCB I can buy off Taobao has switch flipped. AEK bottom row in addition to WKL, WK pls...
Just curious, what kind of direct to PCB connector do you use in case firmware is blown?
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 12 July 2018, 11:11:58
Switch is not flipped--great. Alps combo support would be really nice. Draught there.
PCB I can buy off Taobao has switch flipped. AEK bottom row in addition to WKL, WK pls...
Just curious, what kind of direct to PCB connector do you use in case firmware is blown?
I'm hoping that doesn't happen since it's QMK and the bootloader is pretty robust. However I can add SPI pins.
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 12 July 2018, 11:34:24
Bold needs to be done
- Snap-off USB connector for daughterboard users
- Re-added in-switch LED resistors for production
- Add bottom border to spacebar area for stabs
- Retooled some footprints for cleanliness/aesthetic
- Add SPI pins
- Add internal mount holes (same as b.87)
To do for Rev. 3 (or a renamed version)
- Alps/MX hybrid switch footprints
h87b
- Inverted spacebar stabilizer to match b.87
The QMK repo for h87a can be found here. (https://github.com/hinnebusch/qmk_firmware/tree/master/keyboards/h87a) It is also merged with the main QMK repo, and should be on the QMK Configurator.
Post by: RealLaugh on Thu, 12 July 2018, 15:33:34
Updates done/todo to Rev. 1 (prototype) to reach Rev. 2 (production version)
Bold needs to be done
- Snap-off USB connector for daughterboard users
- Re-added in-switch LED resistors for production
- Add bottom border to spacebar area for stabs
- Retooled some footprints for cleanliness/aesthetic
- Add SPI pins
- Add internal mount holes (same as b.87)
To do for Rev. 3 (or a renamed version)
- Alps/MX hybrid switch footprints
h87b
- Inverted spacebar stabilizer to match b.87
The QMK repo for h87a can be found here. (https://github.com/hinnebusch/qmk_firmware/tree/master/keyboards/h87a) It is also merged with the main QMK repo, and should be on the QMK Configurator.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/016/546/hidethepainharold.jpg)
what does this all mean in terms of GB dates?
I think I would pick up 1 v2 (or v1) and 1 v3 for that sweet ALPS compatibility
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 12 July 2018, 18:25:33
Rev 3 will be hopefully right after that GB closes
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 12 July 2018, 19:52:39
Post by: bciamny on Thu, 12 July 2018, 23:00:39
Rev 2 (next version) will be up for GB in the next 3-4 weeks.
Rev 3 will be hopefully right after that GB closes
nice, i was just about to ask this too. i think i need to pick up two of these... do you know if this can be used to sub for a tx87 board? my prior pcb died and i'd rather get one with qmk/hiney design.
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 13 July 2018, 08:08:11
nice, i was just about to ask this too. i think i need to pick up two of these... do you know if this can be used to sub for a tx87 board? my prior pcb died and i'd rather get one with qmk/hiney design.
I'd assume so? I'm not 100% sure on that but I can check with some people I know to verify.
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 13 July 2018, 08:15:39
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Post by: hineybush on Fri, 13 July 2018, 08:18:17
Just to make sure I'm clear on compatibility... This is a B87 size PCB with stabilizer orientation that is like the A87? Which boards are verified to be compatible?
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Correct. a.87 stabilizers and USB port placement, b.87 size. I'm unsure of the compatibility off of the top of my head, but there's a relatively complete spreadsheet going around that has most stabilizer/USB port info.
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 13 July 2018, 08:22:56
Yeah there's a thread for it.Just to make sure I'm clear on compatibility... This is a B87 size PCB with stabilizer orientation that is like the A87? Which boards are verified to be compatible?
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Correct. a.87 stabilizers and USB port placement, b.87 size. I'm unsure of the compatibility off of the top of my head, but there's a relatively complete spreadsheet going around that has most stabilizer/USB port info.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96123.0
So I just need to look for something that's the same as the Mech27?
(Edit, I just read OP again)
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Post by: hineybush on Fri, 13 July 2018, 08:26:30
Yeah there's a thread for it.Just to make sure I'm clear on compatibility... This is a B87 size PCB with stabilizer orientation that is like the A87? Which boards are verified to be compatible?
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Correct. a.87 stabilizers and USB port placement, b.87 size. I'm unsure of the compatibility off of the top of my head, but there's a relatively complete spreadsheet going around that has most stabilizer/USB port info.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96123.0
So I just need to look for something that's the same as the Mech27?
(Edit, I just read OP again)
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Ahh yes that's the one I was talking about, redbanshee set it up. And yes, this PCB was based on the Mech27 PCB so that'd be its closest relative.
Post by: redbanshee on Fri, 13 July 2018, 10:24:54
Yeah there's a thread for it.Just to make sure I'm clear on compatibility... This is a B87 size PCB with stabilizer orientation that is like the A87? Which boards are verified to be compatible?
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Correct. a.87 stabilizers and USB port placement, b.87 size. I'm unsure of the compatibility off of the top of my head, but there's a relatively complete spreadsheet going around that has most stabilizer/USB port info.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96123.0
So I just need to look for something that's the same as the Mech27?
(Edit, I just read OP again)
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Ahh yes that's the one I was talking about, redbanshee set it up. And yes, this PCB was based on the Mech27 PCB so that'd be its closest relative.
yea i added a column for H.87a, all theoretical fits tho but based on the footprint and usb placement H.87a should fit a ton of cases
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 13 July 2018, 12:46:23
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Tue, 24 July 2018, 22:16:26
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 24 July 2018, 23:22:18
In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...
It wont fit Mars 8.0 sorry :( the proprietary mars pcb has a really long usb "neck", seen here: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180424/cf17c7b45d58f5d0dbfb14c264b167c6.jpg
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Tue, 24 July 2018, 23:23:14
In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...
It wont fit Mars 8.0 sorry :( the proprietary mars pcb has a really long usb "neck", seen here: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180424/cf17c7b45d58f5d0dbfb14c264b167c6.jpg
Ugh that's exactly the issue I thought it might have ;(
Should update the spreadsheet ;)
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 24 July 2018, 23:25:53
In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...
It wont fit Mars 8.0 sorry :( the proprietary mars pcb has a really long usb "neck", seen here: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180424/cf17c7b45d58f5d0dbfb14c264b167c6.jpg
Ugh that's exactly the issue I thought it might have ;(
Should update the spreadsheet ;)
If you scroll down to the "TKL Cases packaged with Custom PCB's" section you will see Mars 8.0 is included.
The spreadsheet is for a.87 compatible cases mostly, witch Mars 8.0 isnt unfortunately :(
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 24 July 2018, 23:32:41
Finishing up the protos this week, goal is to ship them next Monday July 30
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 24 July 2018, 23:36:49
In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...
Now that i think about it, technically you may be able to use h.87a with Mars 8.0 but you would have to remove the usb port and then solder the usb wire directly to the pcb... depending on the clearances inside the mars8.0 case it could work.
Post by: Remsky on Wed, 25 July 2018, 00:01:05
Could also put in the cable before assembling the bottom case, depends on the cable dimensions thoIn if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...
Now that i think about it, technically you may be able to use h.87a with Mars 8.0 but you would have to remove the usb port and then solder the usb wire directly to the pcb... depending on the clearances inside the mars8.0 case it could work.
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 25 July 2018, 00:02:27
In if its compatible with Mars 8.0. Will have to research this since it's not included in the spreadsheet yet...
Now that i think about it, technically you may be able to use h.87a with Mars 8.0 but you would have to remove the usb port and then solder the usb wire directly to the pcb... depending on the clearances inside the mars8.0 case it could work.
The PCB will have a removable/snap-off USB port, so this is totally doable
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 25 July 2018, 09:15:55
Post by: Captain Shwah on Wed, 25 July 2018, 09:45:37
Pricing in, safe to say we can def hit the $45 mark starting at 50 total orders. There will likely be a drop to $40 per at 200 total, but that's not set in stone yet.
That's awesome to hear. I'll definitely pick up a few at that price :thumb:
Post by: SolidCactus on Wed, 25 July 2018, 10:15:13
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Wed, 25 July 2018, 18:21:38
Post by: Pendylan on Fri, 27 July 2018, 16:47:20
Post by: bciamny on Fri, 27 July 2018, 21:56:59
Post by: Chimera on Fri, 27 July 2018, 23:24:10
In, I believe I'm correct in thinking this will be compatible with a Mira?
I'm in for one for my Mira as well, It's B for Mira iirc, can anyone confirm?
Post by: ns90 on Fri, 27 July 2018, 23:30:04
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Post by: LifeZ on Sat, 28 July 2018, 10:15:25
It seems that the fixation of the space bar stabilizer is unstable.
[attach=1]
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 28 July 2018, 14:42:41
I think there is one problem.
It seems that the fixation of the space bar stabilizer is unstable.
(Attachment Link)
Thanks, that will be fixed on the production version.
(https://i.imgur.com/XOIpEoQ.png)
Post by: bciamny on Sat, 28 July 2018, 19:24:56
I think there is one problem.
It seems that the fixation of the space bar stabilizer is unstable.
(Attachment Link)
Thanks, that will be fixed on the production version.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XOIpEoQ.png)
that solution is quite similar to the l3 tkl boards. it seems that south facing spacebars may require it for stability.
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 28 July 2018, 20:03:14
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 29 July 2018, 00:34:49
I think there is one problem.
It seems that the fixation of the space bar stabilizer is unstable.
(Attachment Link)
Thanks, that will be fixed on the production version.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XOIpEoQ.png)
that solution is quite similar to the l3 tkl boards. it seems that south facing spacebars may require it for stability.
well, you can't screw in the stab all the way if you don't have that, so yes
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 02 August 2018, 10:35:27
Prototype h87a assembled in an acrylic unicorn:
(https://i.imgur.com/7eZwaOc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5vbzWGW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hKS0gc7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jNH0JsH.jpg)
Thanks to invisibiliti
Post by: dyka.tran on Thu, 02 August 2018, 10:46:49
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 02 August 2018, 10:52:29
Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much :(
Where are you at in the world?
Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.
Post by: dyka.tran on Thu, 02 August 2018, 11:15:09
Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much :(
Where are you at in the world?
Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.
Vietnam to be precise.
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 02 August 2018, 11:19:11
Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much :(
Where are you at in the world?
Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.
Vietnam to be precise.
Cool. My friend in Indonesia is interested in doing proxying for SEA, so it's very possible.
Post by: dyka.tran on Thu, 02 August 2018, 12:07:19
Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much :(
Where are you at in the world?
Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.
Vietnam to be precise.
Cool. My friend in Indonesia is interested in doing proxying for SEA, so it's very possible.
Cool x2, then maybe I will get x2 PCBs ;) So when will you launch GB?
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 02 August 2018, 12:36:03
Really awesome. I'm waiting for your GB, one thing I'm kinda afraid is that shipping fee from your country to mine will make the price go up too much :(
Where are you at in the world?
Right now international from me will be about $23 I think, based on a 1lb box. I plan to have at least a European proxy, and I'm looking into an Asian one.
Vietnam to be precise.
Cool. My friend in Indonesia is interested in doing proxying for SEA, so it's very possible.
Cool x2, then maybe I will get x2 PCBs ;) So when will you launch GB?
Aiming for 2-3 weeks. I have to change the diode footprints a little bit, and switch to a different package (SOD-323 is too difficult to repair/reflow if necessary, imo) so a little bit of tweaking there has to be done. Once that's finished, I have to order some assembled prototypes to verify the factory's processes and then we'll be good to go.
Post by: odd on Thu, 02 August 2018, 13:02:16
Post by: ozan6661 on Thu, 02 August 2018, 13:17:13
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Thu, 02 August 2018, 23:13:32
prototype pcb received.
went in my Acrylic Unicorn as commissioned ;D
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 07 August 2018, 03:05:58
product page is up, buy TBD: http://shop.hineybush.com/product/h87a
Currently waiting for funds to order a run of 10 assembled prototypes of the final version. Once those are verified good to go, the buy will start.
Timeline for start is about 2 weeks from now
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 07 August 2018, 06:38:44
product page is up, buy TBD: http://shop.hineybush.com/product/h87a
Currently waiting for funds to order a run of 10 assembled prototypes of the final version. Once those are verified good to go, the buy will start.
Timeline for start is about 2 weeks from now
Nice, will be in for a couple or more of these.
Post by: dyka.tran on Tue, 07 August 2018, 08:29:12
product page is up, buy TBD: http://shop.hineybush.com/product/h87a
Currently waiting for funds to order a run of 10 assembled prototypes of the final version. Once those are verified good to go, the buy will start.
Timeline for start is about 2 weeks from now
Awesome man, please remember to establish an Asian proxy ;D
Post by: ProtonDecay on Tue, 07 August 2018, 09:47:36
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 07 August 2018, 10:24:29
I'm re-reading the thread with respect to case compatibility, and am wondering: why can't there be multiple USB pads and sets of mounting holes, the same way as there are multiple overlapped pads for switches?
Mount holes aren't super important, as barely any cases this would even fit use them. I've based the current ones off of the b.87.
Multiple USB ports could definitely work, I might have to do that for the future. There are already pads to solder to as well, so a daughterboard can be easily used. I have to double check the pin spacing on the footprint and update the product description with that, iirc it's set up to use a variant of JST
Post by: ProtonDecay on Tue, 07 August 2018, 11:22:10
I'm re-reading the thread with respect to case compatibility, and am wondering: why can't there be multiple USB pads and sets of mounting holes, the same way as there are multiple overlapped pads for switches?
Mount holes aren't super important, as barely any cases this would even fit use them. I've based the current ones off of the b.87.
Multiple USB ports could definitely work, I might have to do that for the future. There are already pads to solder to as well, so a daughterboard can be easily used. I have to double check the pin spacing on the footprint and update the product description with that, iirc it's set up to use a variant of JST
Aaahh, footprints is the term I meant to use. Designing with footprints at all of the most common USB port locations and shipping with a loose port or two.
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 07 August 2018, 12:49:01
I'm re-reading the thread with respect to case compatibility, and am wondering: why can't there be multiple USB pads and sets of mounting holes, the same way as there are multiple overlapped pads for switches?
Mount holes aren't super important, as barely any cases this would even fit use them. I've based the current ones off of the b.87.
Multiple USB ports could definitely work, I might have to do that for the future. There are already pads to solder to as well, so a daughterboard can be easily used. I have to double check the pin spacing on the footprint and update the product description with that, iirc it's set up to use a variant of JST
Aaahh, footprints is the term I meant to use. Designing with footprints at all of the most common USB port locations and shipping with a loose port or two.
Might work, perhaps in the future
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 13 August 2018, 23:18:51
PCB confirmed to fit TX84, Mira and Keycult No.1
Post by: bciamny on Tue, 14 August 2018, 01:17:33
Post by: gt1989 on Tue, 14 August 2018, 13:14:57
production samples orderedGreat news about the no. 1, planning on getting 2 pcbs.
PCB confirmed to fit TX84, Mira and Keycult No.1
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Post by: hineybush on Wed, 15 August 2018, 13:01:39
Post by: dyka.tran on Thu, 16 August 2018, 04:51:30
ETA for the prototypes to get to me is ~3 weeks
A (kinda) noob question: How thick is the mini-USB port?
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 16 August 2018, 16:41:41
Post by: dyka.tran on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:16:25
in which direction?
I'm planning for a aluminum plate, but the maximum thickness of its is only 1.5mm, so may I have to make a gap on top housing to fit the usb port?
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 16 August 2018, 22:34:52
Ahh yeah. That's a common thing on plates for A.87 PCBs.in which direction?
I'm planning for a aluminum plate, but the maximum thickness of its is only 1.5mm, so may I have to make a gap on top housing to fit the usb port?
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 27 August 2018, 02:57:14
Post by: dyka.tran on Mon, 27 August 2018, 03:07:28
Should have the production samples in the next 7-10 days. Will verify and open the GB then if they're good :D
Are you still planning to establish an Asian proxy?
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 27 August 2018, 03:08:21
Post by: dyka.tran on Mon, 27 August 2018, 03:28:56
Yes, a friend in indonesia will be proxying
Aww yiss! I still have to find a decent case for it though :(
Post by: Artemie on Tue, 28 August 2018, 09:39:46
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 04 September 2018, 15:30:28
pic from the manufacturer. the 10 protos are being sent to me today/tomorrow.
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 04 September 2018, 19:05:50
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 04 September 2018, 20:06:15
What are we thinking on turn around on these in a gb? I definitely need a few of these.
GB will be open for like 3 weeks, I was told it'd be 3-4 weeks turnaround from the manufacturer, then 1 week for shipping to me then 1-2 weeks fulfillment.
Post by: dyka.tran on Tue, 04 September 2018, 21:55:07
Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451411092229455878/486632599876534272/image0.jpg)
pic from the manufacturer. the 10 protos are being sent to me today/tomorrow.
Look awesome
Post by: gt1989 on Tue, 04 September 2018, 22:16:12
Post by: tomu on Tue, 04 September 2018, 23:57:45
Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.
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Post by: hineybush on Wed, 05 September 2018, 08:23:12
Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.
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Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 05 September 2018, 11:55:35
Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.
Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk
Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol
I think you're underestimating the need for these on the market.
Post by: gt1989 on Wed, 05 September 2018, 11:57:32
Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.
Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk
Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol
Okay, that's good to hear because I was planning on picking up at least 2.
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 05 September 2018, 12:27:30
Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.
Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk
Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol
I think you're underestimating the need for these on the market.
Not a bad thing on my end. We'll see how many end up getting ordered, I'll gladly supply as many as needed however hopefully everyone understands the more volume, the slower everything will move. I'm a one man show but I'd obviously get everything out as soon as I can.
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 05 September 2018, 15:55:38
Is there going to be a limit on how many pcbs will be for sale?MOQ of 50 but it looks like there isn't a limit.
Sent from my LG-H871 using Tapatalk
Correct. If it gets to like 250+ I might cut it off just to save myself some grief, however I'm unsure if it'd actually get that high lol
I think you're underestimating the need for these on the market.
Not a bad thing on my end. We'll see how many end up getting ordered, I'll gladly supply as many as needed however hopefully everyone understands the more volume, the slower everything will move. I'm a one man show but I'd obviously get everything out as soon as I can.
Completely understandable. No more waiting on leeku just to have him ghost you or or buying from kin and pay $50 shipping..
Post by: get_weird on Mon, 10 September 2018, 00:19:37
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 10 September 2018, 08:34:23
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 10 September 2018, 16:27:09
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451411092229455878/488815997978017792/image0.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451411092229455878/488817962300735518/image0.jpg)
Protos are good beyond small silk issues (the USB solder pads labels are in the old location). GB opens Wednesday.
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 10 September 2018, 16:32:35
Post by: vegs on Tue, 11 September 2018, 05:10:12
Post by: longnt on Tue, 11 September 2018, 05:13:44
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 12 September 2018, 11:24:32
Waiting for the GB thread to be approved, submitted it yesterday
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 12 September 2018, 11:45:40
Post by: hineybush on Wed, 12 September 2018, 11:56:17
For the compatibility chart listed on the group buy page, if it fits a TX84/TX87 it will fit the TX84se. I have all three if we need some sort of confirmation.
Fantastic, thanks. Will update.
Post by: typischt on Wed, 12 September 2018, 12:09:36
Post by: donut_sauce on Tue, 23 October 2018, 16:31:43
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 23 October 2018, 21:03:14
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 08 November 2018, 11:13:51
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 08 November 2018, 12:03:33
Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312287977151660042/510139186502828033/unknown.png)
he's alps
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 08 November 2018, 14:12:55
Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312287977151660042/510139186502828033/unknown.png)
yey
Post by: mech0nly on Thu, 08 November 2018, 20:12:45
Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312287977151660042/510139186502828033/unknown.png)
ok this is insane
Post by: distracteddev on Thu, 08 November 2018, 23:08:59
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 08 November 2018, 23:44:14
Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work... :))
There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.
Post by: dyka.tran on Fri, 09 November 2018, 04:37:11
Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work... :))
There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.
I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 09 November 2018, 17:16:02
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 09 November 2018, 19:32:31
Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work... :))
There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.
I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?
This is definitely something I'd like to try and accomplish.
Post by: theillumedpanda on Sat, 10 November 2018, 04:35:40
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 10 November 2018, 08:47:42
Alps support would be really cool. I think I‘ll postpone my Alps build until I get QMK-powered PCB in. Do you have a newsletter?
Nope. Typically I'll just update stuff here as I do it. You can also join my discord for teasers/updates: https://discord.gg/v8DCE7G
Post by: dario on Sat, 10 November 2018, 21:37:13
I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps
(http://78.media.tumblr.com/ad6dacac4f4ad2c1a6b4717946cbad51/tumblr_p25u02gOOP1u4oawxo1_500.gif)
Any estimates on when could this happen?
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 10 November 2018, 21:38:41
I'm also planning on doing future versions, like AlpsShow Image(http://78.media.tumblr.com/ad6dacac4f4ad2c1a6b4717946cbad51/tumblr_p25u02gOOP1u4oawxo1_500.gif)
Any estimates on when could this happen?
Gotta talk to a few colleagues but ideally sooner rather than later
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Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 12 November 2018, 19:04:01
Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work... :))
There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.
I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?
hate to be the bearer of bad news but L3-style PCBs like this don't really work with duck orion cases or kbd8x cases
unless you want to get the dremel out
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 12 November 2018, 19:35:47
Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work... :))
There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.
I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?
hate to be the bearer of bad news but L3-style PCBs like this don't really work with duck orion cases or kbd8x cases
unless you want to get the dremel out
The PCB fits in the Orion, Nathan Kim confirmed it. As far as the LEDs go, I'll do my best to add them in "proper" spots.
This PCB does not fit the KBD8x though - the USB port is on the other side (bottom) of the PCB
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 12 November 2018, 20:18:35
Any eta on when this drops and will there be a limited quantity? Just need to know if I should plan another day off work... :))
There will be a limited quantity in regular stock once I receive/ship the group buy orders (probably mid December?). I'll post that here for sure. I'm also planning on doing future versions, like Alps and another updated version of the normal MX switch variant.
I think this is too much to ask, but can you give more esthetical LED positions (in red circles on attached picture) for updated MX variant?
hate to be the bearer of bad news but L3-style PCBs like this don't really work with duck orion cases or kbd8x cases
unless you want to get the dremel out
I rebuilt a duck unicorn with a Leeku 87 PCB.
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 12 November 2018, 21:57:09
although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 13 November 2018, 09:39:54
which version orion/unicorn
although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb
Puddsy, you have proven in the past that your "advice" about tkl pcbs is wrong 99% of the time, so why dont you stop giving useless, wrong information?
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 13 November 2018, 10:02:26
which version orion/unicorn
although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb
ones that take a normal a.87 PCB
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fZ8FtTGDl222hXnomQJgKmwRnWvg2VuoJ-GeAafVTLc/edit?usp=sharing
the outline of the h87a is the same as the jane v2 outline, which to my knowledge is the "slimmest" a.87 layout PCB
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 13 November 2018, 10:42:47
which version orion/unicorn
although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb
ones that take a normal a.87 PCB
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fZ8FtTGDl222hXnomQJgKmwRnWvg2VuoJ-GeAafVTLc/edit?usp=sharing
the outline of the h87a is the same as the jane v2 outline, which to my knowledge is the "slimmest" a.87 layout PCB
this correct
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 13 November 2018, 15:11:07
which version orion/unicorn
although iirc unicorn is meant to work with this sort of pcb
V3, not acrylic. Should be the exact same size as an Orion and an X legend. Leeku Alps 87 pcbs fit as well with a little bottom pcb lip removal.
Post by: dario on Sun, 25 November 2018, 10:54:42
I'm also planning on doing future versions, like AlpsShow Image(http://78.media.tumblr.com/ad6dacac4f4ad2c1a6b4717946cbad51/tumblr_p25u02gOOP1u4oawxo1_500.gif)
Any estimates on when could this happen?
Gotta talk to a few colleagues but ideally sooner rather than later
You'll probably say "no", but I have to try: will you ever make an ALPS PCB for your Hineybush 1800 keyboard?
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 25 November 2018, 10:56:32
You'll probably say "no", but I have to try: will you ever make an ALPS PCB for your Hineybish 1800 keyboard?
Yes! not sure if it'll be a standard option, but I'd like to at least do a real small run (10ish?) because I'd love to make one for myself with Browns or Salmons.
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Post by: dario on Sun, 25 November 2018, 11:13:14
You'll probably say "no", but I have to try: will you ever make an ALPS PCB for your Hineybish 1800 keyboard?
Yes! not sure if it'll be a standard option, but I'd like to at least do a real small run (10ish?) because I'd love to make one for myself with Browns or Salmons.
Dear God, this is the best news I have heard in a long time!
Please make it QMK, USB-C, black solder mask (not really necessary but nice) and we'll call it endgame.
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 25 November 2018, 11:15:50
You'll probably say "no", but I have to try: will you ever make an ALPS PCB for your Hineybish 1800 keyboard?
Yes! not sure if it'll be a standard option, but I'd like to at least do a real small run (10ish?) because I'd love to make one for myself with Browns or Salmons.
Dear God, this is the best news I have heard in a long time!
Please make it QMK, USB-C, black solder mask (not really necessary but nice) and we'll call it endgame.
It'd def be type C and QMK, not sure about black yet.
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Post by: dario on Sun, 25 November 2018, 18:30:42
The only reason I'm saying this here and not buying it myself is because I don't have enough money ATM. So incredibly frustrating, I feel like stabbing myself to death.
Post by: Windeh on Sun, 25 November 2018, 18:40:07
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 13 December 2018, 00:24:10
Post by: phatty on Thu, 13 December 2018, 00:45:51
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 13 December 2018, 20:30:44
Post by: gabbbe on Sun, 03 February 2019, 13:23:52
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 03 February 2019, 14:22:55
I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD
Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 03 February 2019, 14:23:38
I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD
Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?
oh yea this was delayed til a few weeks from now, after CNY
no flex cuts
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Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 03 February 2019, 14:25:29
I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD
Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?
oh yea this was delayed til a few weeks from now, after CNY
no flex cuts
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nice
Do people need to add washers to the hook side of the stabs to compensate for those extra 0.4mm?
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 03 February 2019, 14:28:03
I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD
Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?
oh yea this was delayed til a few weeks from now, after CNY
no flex cuts
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nice
Do people need to add washers to the hook side of the stabs to compensate for those extra 0.4mm?
Working on something special for that
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 03 February 2019, 14:46:32
I plan to launch a group buy for the alps-only version and a 1.2mm thick version (more flex) the week after Christmas. MOQ will be ~50 for each. Price will likely be $50 USD
Is the 1.2mm PCB the one with the relief cuts?
oh yea this was delayed til a few weeks from now, after CNY
no flex cuts
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nice
Do people need to add washers to the hook side of the stabs to compensate for those extra 0.4mm?
Working on something special for that
nice
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 08 October 2019, 13:35:22
working on a catalog of the PCBs i have, and h87a is included obviously https://docs.google.com/document/d/10nLrZIm_f931-tRibbKhoCvMC9WgixuB58XC4Huam7k/edit?usp=sharing
also consider this the update for interest in the new h87a version which I will be buying outright and opening for pre-orders once I verify the prototype (should happen in the next week or two)
big changes here:
JST SH connector support for the USB lines as well as an RGB header - I'm considering adding an option to this for me to solder a connector on before shipping (would be like +$3)
RGB header has a passthrough for a front-facing RGB strip/bar (working on developing a bar atm) for boards with stuff between the arrows and nav keys
A small bypass for said RGB header, so you can do either normal underglow or the front strip (both is also possibly in the works, need to review that)
More robust removable spacebar mounts on the bottom
Removed the dedicated reset pins to short, now added into the ISP header (since the signals exist there anyway lol)
South facing right shift stab mounting only
Better labling for the jumpers for Caps/Scroll LED vs. having that LED part of the regular in-switch LEDs
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312287977151660042/623229133492584463/unknown.png)
I am considering removing the universal north/south spacebar mounts, I think north-facing only would be better (plates are easy to modify) but i'd love to hear feedback on this
Post by: Krelbit on Tue, 08 October 2019, 13:55:13
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 08 October 2019, 14:31:30
I am considering removing the universal north/south spacebar mounts, I think north-facing only would be better (plates are easy to modify) but i'd love to hear feedback on this
This is one of the main features! Tons of boards are south only, Duck, LZ, OTD, etc etc the list goes on and on! South stabs are MUCH less rattly! If your going for compatibility, it would be pretty counter-productive to do north only.
Whats the reasoning with going north only?
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 08 October 2019, 14:32:13
I am considering removing the universal north/south spacebar mounts, I think north-facing only would be better (plates are easy to modify) but i'd love to hear feedback on this
This is one of the main features! Tons of boards are south only, Duck, LZ, OTD, etc etc the list goes on and on! South stabs are MUCH less rattly! If your going for compatibility, it would be pretty counter-productive to do north only.
Whats the reasoning with going north only?
hmm idk, i just sort of prefer it. I can certainly leave it in, wouldn't be a bad thing
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 08 October 2019, 17:17:27
I defer to experts about build quality and PCB design.
Post by: im_hide on Fri, 11 October 2019, 02:46:08
Post by: mech0nly on Fri, 11 October 2019, 08:43:49
In addition, I'd be extremely happy if the PCB using CEM3 material instead of FR4 for extra elasticity (yep I already checked material tables), just like OTD PCBs ;)
Thank you very much hiney!
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 11 October 2019, 08:49:19
Yes please. Need a thinboi for my halfplate LZ-CLS build.
In addition, I'd be extremely happy if the PCB using CEM3 material instead of FR4 for extra elasticity (yep I already checked material tables), just like OTD PCBs ;)
Thank you very much hiney!
I'll look into that, I've been meaning to!
Post by: Yeoh on Fri, 11 October 2019, 08:58:18
Post by: Fnzzy on Fri, 11 October 2019, 10:00:03
Would be very hesitant to buy a north facing only PCB to be honest.
Post by: alkaiser on Fri, 11 October 2019, 10:10:00
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 11 October 2019, 12:07:19
Big supporter of south facing spacebar stab here. Having north facing as an additional option is just a bonus.+1 for south facing because swapping wires is so much easier if there's an issue.
Would be very hesitant to buy a north facing only PCB to be honest.
Though I know compatibility is a thing.
Post by: wholypantalones on Fri, 11 October 2019, 12:34:32
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Thu, 31 October 2019, 09:49:52
+1 for leaving it north / south spacebar. One of the many draws of this pcb is the options.
Can someone enlighten me as to what the difference is for between north and south fitment? Is it a case thing? plate thing? Forgive my ignorance on the subject.
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 11 November 2019, 07:56:04
+1 for leaving it north / south spacebar. One of the many draws of this pcb is the options.
Can someone enlighten me as to what the difference is for between north and south fitment? Is it a case thing? plate thing? Forgive my ignorance on the subject.
It's a plate and PCB thing. One can orient the spacebar stabilizer wire to face in either up (north) or down (south) direction. Boards have one or the other.
Post by: jedidood on Tue, 07 January 2020, 01:08:59
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 07 January 2020, 01:09:58
Has this became the past? I missed it?
Shipping the rest of the pre orders through the week. the rest will be up afterwards. check here or join my discord (discord.hiney.cc) for updates :)
Post by: jedidood on Tue, 07 January 2020, 02:45:52
Has this became the past? I missed it?
Shipping the rest of the pre orders through the week. the rest will be up afterwards. check here or join my discord (discord.hiney.cc) for updates :)
Thanks!