As you said, WoB is constantly running, so we would have the icon+text mods already. Will you consider a set of icon only mods?Busy sets with sublegends doesn't looks good with icons for most of the time for me personally. And I'm a fan of icon + text.
Also, can you consider the 1.25u bottom row in R5 instead?A fever peope would use that, so I decided to not include ansi bottom row R5 support. It will just make base more expensive.
Finally, any plans for a spacebar kit, including 2x 3u spacebars? Thanks!Recent WoB sets run with split spacebars support in base or as a separate kit. I want to keep it simple.
As you said, WoB is constantly running, so we would have the icon+text mods already. Will you consider a set of icon only mods?Busy sets with sublegends doesn't looks good with icons for most of the time for me personally. And I'm a fan of icon + text.Also, can you consider the 1.25u bottom row in R5 instead?A fever peope would use that, so I decided to not include ansi bottom row R5 support. It will just make base more expensive.Finally, any plans for a spacebar kit, including 2x 3u spacebars? Thanks!Recent WoB sets run with split spacebars support in base or as a separate kit. I want to keep it simple.
Since a lot of people asked for split spacebars, they were added in the base.
sorry if im stupid but isnt this just the same as gmk originative cyrillicPretty much. It's pretty standard to respect the designers and not run similar sets, but originative isn't really a designer, and wob with sublegends isn't really a design, it's just something that is extremely rare right now and this runner is making it available since originative hasn't in several years IIRC.
sorry if im stupid but isnt this just the same as gmk originative cyrillicYes and no. Yes in the sense that I'm using the same idea. No 'cause this set will have correct cyrillic legends compare to what was before (old cherry ones).
Any reason to go with this over tripleshot JTK?
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I have similar thoughts. I have the Inifiinikey Dark Cyrillic sets in blue and purple and I really like them. Interested to see what GMK can bring.
Any reason to go with this over tripleshot JTK?
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I used the tripleshot Zen and loved the quality, hence I had asked..ofc it's upto the runner what manu they'd like to use but given GMK delays I would think twice before entering GBs..I have similar thoughts. I have the Inifiinikey Dark Cyrillic sets in blue and purple and I really like them. Interested to see what GMK can bring.Any reason to go with this over tripleshot JTK?
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Not the TS, but I have used and sold JTK tripleshot alphas before (JTK suited assassin). I find the keycaps to be inferior to GMK in terms of how they feel when typing. It feels more hollow/cheap (sorry, may not be the best word here).
And I think GMK UV printing is pretty good. I own GMK keycaps that are UV printed and they hold up well.
Looking forward to the GB already!
Any reason to go with this over tripleshot JTK?
I'll take 3, thanks.+2
The Polo renders makes me moistWho makes the Polo?
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*evil laugh*The Polo renders makes me moistWho makes the Polo?
Yes please!
What do you think of running WoB Cyrillic DE alongside this for international buyers? Maybe make it alpha-only for those who want that..
Similar to this by HammerWorks https://imgur.com/cQA8LkT (https://imgur.com/cQA8LkT)
Can we get Prt Sc/Sys Rq and Scroll Lock instead of the current legends?
Are 3U spacebars a possibility? :D
no more pad print, we have moved past the need for pad printPuddsy posting.
Updated base kitExcited for the changes and for the set. Big win.
Thanks for feedback everyone, I tried to consider everything and changed kitting accordingly.
Base kit changes:
- as previously stated, bottom row switched to full row 5 as well as added numpad and 1800 support (numpad "5" will be only nipple style) + updated devide and multiply symbols
- added missing 2u spacebar
- removed front print on Print and PauseMoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/jQ8TLMI.jpg)
Added icon mods kit
There was a lot of requests for icon mods. Icon + text is still my prefered style of mods but I can see desire for icons only.MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/QbGctzk.jpg)
Sublegends update
Even though T0mb3ry's set of Cyrillic legends are allowed for anyone to use, we couldn’t reach an agreement regarding of changing the legends mentioned previously to make them more accurate.
This set will feature new set of Cyrillic legends that Alexbarb and me put together. They are very similar to latin GMK/Cherry in the sense of typeface. The idea was to make as accurate as possible Cyrillic. In addition to most noticable legend changes (У, Ж, Л), Cyrillic was completely redone from the ground up.
Sublegends on R (К), T (Е), Y (Н), [ (Х), D (В), F (А), H (Р), J (О), Z (Я), C (С), V (M), B (И), N (Т) as well as sublegends on num row will be using original GMK (Cherry) font since glyphs are the same. Rest are custom outlines with original latin legends in mind.
Huge thanks to Alexbarb for make this happened!
GB tentatively starts October 1st and will run for a month at $135 (500 MOQ) on Space Cables. Regional proxies will be announced later.
Updated base kit
Thanks for feedback everyone, I tried to consider everything and changed kitting accordingly.
Base kit changes:
- as previously stated, bottom row switched to full row 5 as well as added numpad and 1800 support (numpad "5" will be only nipple style) + updated devide and multiply symbols
- added missing 2u spacebar
- removed front print on Print and PauseMoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/jQ8TLMI.jpg)
Added icon mods kit
There was a lot of requests for icon mods. Icon + text is still my prefered style of mods but I can see desire for icons only.MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/QbGctzk.jpg)
Sublegends update
Even though T0mb3ry's set of Cyrillic legends are allowed for anyone to use, we couldn’t reach an agreement regarding of changing the legends mentioned previously to make them more accurate.
This set will feature new set of Cyrillic legends that Alexbarb and me put together. They are very similar to latin GMK/Cherry in the sense of typeface. The idea was to make as accurate as possible Cyrillic. In addition to most noticable legend changes (У, Ж, Л), Cyrillic was completely redone from the ground up.
Sublegends on R (К), T (Е), Y (Н), [ (Х), D (В), F (А), H (Р), J (О), Z (Я), C (С), V (M), B (И), N (Т) as well as sublegends on num row will be using original GMK (Cherry) font since glyphs are the same. Rest are custom outlines with original latin legends in mind.
Huge thanks to Alexbarb for make this happened!
GB tentatively starts October 1st and will run for a month at $135 (500 MOQ) on Space Cables. Regional proxies will be announced later.
That being said, one small issue that still remains is that the Х glyph is a tad too narrow. This has been the case in every Cyrillic GMK set so far due to the glyph being repurposed from the Latin X legend. Metrically, К, У and Х are usually the same width in neo-grotesque sans typefaces, but here you can definitely tell that the Х is narrower. Since you now have an opportunity to fix that, I recommend doing just that.I'm aware of that but we decided to left those legends as it is, and there is reasons for it. X also might look a bit narrower in renders compare to real GMK one because we don't have original Cherry legends on hands.
Also, purely typographically speaking, Latin K and Cyrillic К are not exact homoglyphs: the Cyrillic letter usually has a curved rather than a straight arm, and sometimes both the arm and leg are curved. This is noticeable in Verdana, the default typeface used here on Geekhack. However, making the arm/leg straight is a very common stylistic choice in modern sans typefaces, so I'm happy that you chose to go with that as opposed to e.g. following the example of Arial Rounded Bold (cf. the К glyph in IFK Dark Cyrillic (https://i.imgur.com/wKsb0Ve.png)).
Edit: Блин я только что заметил, что раннер русский. Молодец)<3
I'm aware of that but we decided to left those legends as it is, and there is reasons for it.
The kitting is final, sorry.
I'm assuming the base kit render you posted uses the aforementioned new Cyrillic sublegends. If that is the case, then good job, because all of them look correct. I am noticing an improvement in consistency over the regular doubleshot legends used in sets such as Yuri.
That being said, one small issue that still remains is that the Х glyph is a tad too narrow. This has been the case in every Cyrillic GMK set so far due to the glyph being repurposed from the Latin X legend. Metrically, К, У and Х are usually the same width in neo-grotesque sans typefaces, but here you can definitely tell that the Х is narrower. Since you now have an opportunity to fix that, I recommend doing just that.
Also, purely typographically speaking, Latin K and Cyrillic К are not exact homoglyphs: the Cyrillic traditionally has a curved rather than a straight arm, and sometimes both the arm and leg are curved. This is noticeable in Verdana, the default typeface used here on Geekhack. However, making the arm/leg straight is a very common stylistic choice in modern sans typefaces, so I'm happy that you chose to go that route as opposed to e.g. following the example of Arial Rounded Bold (cf. the К glyph in IFK Dark Cyrillic (https://i.imgur.com/wKsb0Ve.png)).
I would like to ask you to consider adding R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to the base kit for 65%/75% support. These keys are popular choices on 65% keyboards, both enthusiast (especially recent ones with corner blockers), as well as those intended for the mass market (e.g. Drop Alt, Keychron K6, RK68, Durgod, Akko etc.). With 65% being as popular a layout as it is, I think these keys would be worth including. If I didn't already have them from Drop WoB, I know I would like to get them from this set.
By the way, I think the fact that you included System/Sys keys and icon mods in CR/WS1 is really cool. Especially cause Emir's WoB icon extension kit has been so hard to track down lately. Very cool — I am definitely tempted to throw my money your way.
Edit: Блин я только что заметил, что раннер русский. Молодец)
Do we know the vendors yet?I'll announce them once we work out all of the details. Stay tuned.
Finally somebody carrying about Russian lettering instead of replicating that abomination of a font that's found even on the expensive GMK sets. Really happy to see Д, Ц and Щ aligned properly. Keep up good work! Waiting for the group buy. Салют
Will UK ISO or NordeUK set be added?
Looks good, I really like the kitting.I don’t think there are any custom colors and very few new molds. I don’t know UV sub legend pricing and it is a chonky base kit, so I’d imagine the set would retail somewhere between 120 and 140.
Curious to see what the prices are for the kits. If it's good, or even just okay, ill be down for both base and icon mods.
Good luck with the group buy :thumb:
GB starts October 1st with base price of $130 (NA)
GB starts October 1st with base price of $130 (NA)
Vendors
US: Space Cables
CA: Ashkeebs
EU: Mykeyboard
UK: ProtoTypist
SEA: iLumKB
AU: Dailyckack
CN: Zfrontier
KR: Swagkeys
JP: Basekeys
did originative just try to f you guys over by leaping ahead of the queue (with a $180 base kit no less)?
if so, for shame
FYI - It looks like the images for the key set options are broken!Fixed now.